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Definitely can agree, Demon Turf is a really fun speed game. Holding the any% record for DT and the dev's previous game Slime-san, when it comes to speedrun stuff, they certainly know how to pull it off. Slime-san, as a 2D game, had more weird skips where we'd go out of bounds or do some sequence breaking, but Demon Turf's level design hugely incentivizes shortcuts, as you said. I can only recommend watching my (or any other) speedrun, it's filled with clever skips you'll see yourself thinking "Oh dang! I could've thought of this, woah!!". Pretty much all of your points already apply to our runs and routing it was intense. There are many variables and there are different ways to collect the needed items. I do it one way, the other person does it a different way and there is no way to definitively say which is the better way. Still, many good tricks and skips and weird stuff to woah the viewers. We're still climbing closer to that sub 1 hour mark, hoping to be the one to break it lmao Regarding the combat stuff: We basically skip all of those, haha And yes, individual level runs are crazy. We haven't submitted a lot of them to our SRC page yet, but it's very tough competition. A lot of it is posted on our discord, but trust me, a LOT of crazy skips you wouldnt believe are possible. I'm still holding almost every single IL time on the ingame leaderboards of the Steam/PC version and getting those without the ingame mods was a crazy task. I'll be optimizing as far as I can before I start using mods though. The devs are in tight contact with us speedrunners and constant talks on which skips and bugs to keep and which to patch and they absolutely love to see their game being broken. I personally talk to them often and they are very open, which is really great. All in all a very nice video on DT!
Celeste was designed from the ground up as a speed game and did really well in the sphere since it became one of the most speedrun game of the last decade. The ingredients are - Syncing the cycles of moving platforms/enemies in such a way that they are always consistent so that you have no RNG, making a really precise movement system that can be infinitely be improved at over time and finally making a really good game with level design where you can approach things in different ways based on skill level.
@@HorkSupreme Actually those are from some bonus optional levels that you can unlock that are based on older Mario levels. I think it’s a pretty neat homage honestly.
Had this game on my Wishlist, but I'm always unsure about platformers. Like you said, the controls need to be tight and responsive, and nobody ever knows how to explain it. Thank you for taking the time to discuss the moveset and how it works. Really solid review.
When you played the music with lyrics i thought "Huh sounds like Ye Ye .. but good. And then you ACTUALLY hinted at that and I jumped in my freaking Chair. Absolute Gold!
For those curious, the Ye Ye music is Playback by Nieve and you probably heard it in the Mandalore video since it is basically Anonymous Agony's soundtrack
It looks like a commercial release of a GZDoom mod. Someone will probably find a way to glitch the hell out of the combat and beat those sections in 10 seconds. Which is actually a good thing for weird speed games.
Thanks for calling attention to this game! I would've never known about it if you didn't, you're doing a GREAT job giving these games the exposure they deserve, thank you for making such wonderful content for us all!
Really liking this game so far! I'm only about 4 hours in atm, but the gameplay and level design feel well polished and very natural after playing through Super Mario Odyssey. My only complaints so far is that a lot of the 2D character sprites look like straight up butt, and also having the controlled character as a 2D sprite makes it difficult to understand your hitbox. Lastly, the red spinning grates in Mr Mint's Trials make me wanna break my controller every time with how strict the timing and precision is on them.
Indo what makes a speed game "good" is the community. Celeste is a good example, it is a platformer that on some level thought as a speed game, and it worked out mostly because people loved the game and wanted to run it.
@@ProbablyJacob theres this one, hell pie, and I cant remember the third. all I remember about it is the main character is a cat with a really long droopy nose
I guess this could be somewhat fun to try but I doubt it will be speed game. There are meeddling medicore reviews for this. No one else even suggests there is speed game potential.
I haven’t been able to find too many reviews and deep dives on it, but The Eternal Castle was a surprise hit for me. Would love to hear your thoughts on it sometime 👌👌
I finally finished watching this video after 5 attempts lol. Started watching it past night and drifted off to sleep in my chair. Got up and went to bed, put this on again while laying down, fell asleep. Woke up in the middle of the night and was like oh yeah I wanted to watch a review on this game while it is on sale. Put it on and promptly passed out again. Woke up this morning and threw it on then got a call. Then put it on again and had to go to the bathroom then got sidetracked and started making a protein shake. Ffs. Finally I am watching it again and missing it again cuz I am writing this pointless comment.
You review many games I want to play so I keep leaving your videos for later so I don't see spoilers =( I still watch 30 seconds and give you a thumbs up though.
This game looks like a game I might really enjoy, there has been a big name indie 3D platformer since A Hat in Time. Also, Ratchet Rift Apart can count as a platform shooter.
Man this looks cool, I wasn't aware it existed at all! Right up my alley! And nice coverage of it, really sold me. About speedruns, its like, i dunno, its down to luck really, it's all about the community showing interest, sometimes it takes a while, sometimes its super fast like Celeste. I'm surprised marketing hasn't started sponsoring speedruners for games like these that are sorta intended as a speed game, tho', considering how every single time a new big Metroidvania, Soulsy or Horror game comes out there is a lot of dumbasses going ''I saw someone beat this in 1 hour, wow, 60 dollars for that?'' i kinda get why they don't do it. Cause there's a lot of dumbasses online.
The first level you showed gameplay of really reminds me of the first bowser level in Mario 64. Not accusing or anything just thought the resemblance was interesting. Edit: 6:27 tik tok clock!
I don't think this game will succeed as a speed game. The main reason being watch-ability. As you said the art style is divisive and as such people streaming speedruns will probably see a lower viewer count than normal. The lower view count will incentivize runners to not spend an excessive amount of time streaming it. 2nd thought I think the sheer amount of content makes it harder to have categories for Demon Turf. Example if you speedrun a level do you use any upgrades or just upgrades you could have up to that point or no upgrades at all? I could see an any% speedrun maybe being viable but the first issue of watch-ability still comes to mind.
I noticed this game is imitating quite a few levels from SM64. I know the first one you showed was nearly a 1-1 copy. Is there a lot of that or is it just occasional?
I will say, fellow gamers, VA-11 Hall-A (AKA Waifu Bartending) is a really really good visual novel where you pour drinks to get different dialogue. It is currently on a Black Friday sale on PS4 (maybe other platforms too) for about $10. It is worth the money if realistic adult conversations sound nice to you
I have perhaps never encountered another game that interests me less in every aspect, from music, gameplay, graphics and setting. I can still appreciate the work that went into this and tell that it's most certainly a good piece of media and other people can find a lot of enjoyment with it.
There's a very thin line between making an homage and straight-up stealing. That first level shown isn't a love letter to retro 3D titles, it's literally just Bowser in the Dark World. Whatever positives there are to say, that's going to sour my opinions of this game going forward--now I have to wonder how many of those positives are actually from the devs themselves and how many of those positives were just lifted from other games by talentless hacks.
this game has over 100 levels are there are a few that are extremely obvious reworks and homages of classic platform levels. This is totally self aware and not "stealing". Its not like they thought you wouldnt notice, lmao
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Even the water levels are good.
Damn, I cant count the number of games with good water levels on one hand lol.
Definitely can agree, Demon Turf is a really fun speed game.
Holding the any% record for DT and the dev's previous game Slime-san, when it comes to speedrun stuff, they certainly know how to pull it off.
Slime-san, as a 2D game, had more weird skips where we'd go out of bounds or do some sequence breaking, but Demon Turf's level design hugely incentivizes shortcuts, as you said.
I can only recommend watching my (or any other) speedrun, it's filled with clever skips you'll see yourself thinking "Oh dang! I could've thought of this, woah!!". Pretty much all of your points already apply to our runs and routing it was intense. There are many variables and there are different ways to collect the needed items. I do it one way, the other person does it a different way and there is no way to definitively say which is the better way. Still, many good tricks and skips and weird stuff to woah the viewers. We're still climbing closer to that sub 1 hour mark, hoping to be the one to break it lmao
Regarding the combat stuff: We basically skip all of those, haha
And yes, individual level runs are crazy. We haven't submitted a lot of them to our SRC page yet, but it's very tough competition. A lot of it is posted on our discord, but trust me, a LOT of crazy skips you wouldnt believe are possible. I'm still holding almost every single IL time on the ingame leaderboards of the Steam/PC version and getting those without the ingame mods was a crazy task. I'll be optimizing as far as I can before I start using mods though.
The devs are in tight contact with us speedrunners and constant talks on which skips and bugs to keep and which to patch and they absolutely love to see their game being broken. I personally talk to them often and they are very open, which is really great.
All in all a very nice video on DT!
Celeste was designed from the ground up as a speed game and did really well in the sphere since it became one of the most speedrun game of the last decade.
The ingredients are - Syncing the cycles of moving platforms/enemies in such a way that they are always consistent so that you have no RNG, making a really precise movement system that can be infinitely be improved at over time and finally making a really good game with level design where you can approach things in different ways based on skill level.
Celeste had a super good movement system, and then it starts introducing you to the speed tech and shit gets *wild*
I think you are approaching some of these ingredients the wrong way, but I understand what you mean
That level shown off at the beginning looked a lot like the first bowser level in Mario 64.
6:26 that is legit the clock from Mario 64
Seems like they are copying an old piece of homework from 20+ years ago.
@@HorkSupreme Actually those are from some bonus optional levels that you can unlock that are based on older Mario levels. I think it’s a pretty neat homage honestly.
I died when I heard that ye ye, anon agony will forever be branded onto my soul with that godamn loading screen.
I bought this game Day 1 and it still sitting in my steam library. This confirm I made a good Purchase and I need to play it
This game was recently updated with a free level creator tool, so thats also good.
The Anonymous Agony / MandaloreGaming reference, nice
Had this game on my Wishlist, but I'm always unsure about platformers. Like you said, the controls need to be tight and responsive, and nobody ever knows how to explain it. Thank you for taking the time to discuss the moveset and how it works. Really solid review.
When you played the music with lyrics i thought "Huh sounds like Ye Ye .. but good. And then you ACTUALLY hinted at that and I jumped in my freaking Chair. Absolute Gold!
What's the artist of that song? It is familiar, but I couldn't find it.
@@neomix1 think it's a reference to the mandalore video that just came out
For those curious, the Ye Ye music is Playback by Nieve and you probably heard it in the Mandalore video since it is basically Anonymous Agony's soundtrack
It looks like a commercial release of a GZDoom mod. Someone will probably find a way to glitch the hell out of the combat and beat those sections in 10 seconds. Which is actually a good thing for weird speed games.
Thanks for calling attention to this game! I would've never known about it if you didn't, you're doing a GREAT job giving these games the exposure they deserve, thank you for making such wonderful content for us all!
- looks at the splash screen -
Yeah, I too liked the Splatoon character designs.
The Mandalore reference did not went unnoticed.
Great video as always!
As soon as I heard the ye ye (ye) my bones disintegrated
Was that a Mandy reference in the music section?
Yeah Yeah
Um, actually-- **pushes up glasses** I believe the plural of 'Nosferatu' is 'Nosferatu.'
🧛🏻♂️🤓
yea- yeah"
But what about the LORE?!?
ProbablyJacob: "The soundtrack is very splatoon"
Me: So there's a cartoonish hell-inspired 3D platformer with splatoon music? Say no more, I'm in.
That split second of "oh god... pleaso no" at 8:18
Ye ye (ye)
That anonymous agony reference fuckin got me lol
Really liking this game so far! I'm only about 4 hours in atm, but the gameplay and level design feel well polished and very natural after playing through Super Mario Odyssey. My only complaints so far is that a lot of the 2D character sprites look like straight up butt, and also having the controlled character as a 2D sprite makes it difficult to understand your hitbox. Lastly, the red spinning grates in Mr Mint's Trials make me wanna break my controller every time with how strict the timing and precision is on them.
0:10
That is straight up "Bowser in the Dark World", the first bowser level, from Super Mario 64.
"Yeah-Yeah"~ *Vietnam flashbacks start to kick-in...*
One of the most unique mechanic of Demon Turf is the checkpoint system.
Indo what makes a speed game "good" is the community. Celeste is a good example, it is a platformer that on some level thought as a speed game, and it worked out mostly because people loved the game and wanted to run it.
Hell and wholesome is the last thing that I thought I would hear when it comes to someone describing something
The music in this is dope (yee yee… yee), will probably grab the game. Thanks for calling my attention to it!
theres like 3 hell themed 3d platformers being made right now
List them coward
@@ProbablyJacob theres this one, hell pie, and I cant remember the third. all I remember about it is the main character is a cat with a really long droopy nose
@@ProbablyJacob the other one was "happy hell"
I guess this could be somewhat fun to try but I doubt it will be speed game. There are meeddling medicore reviews for this. No one else even suggests there is speed game potential.
I haven’t been able to find too many reviews and deep dives on it, but The Eternal Castle was a surprise hit for me. Would love to hear your thoughts on it sometime 👌👌
I really need to get this game. Art Style goes great with the platforming and even the combat.
You did it. You made an Anonymous Agony/Mandalore reference. You fucking madlad
hey you should play some "sparks 2" could do the whole series but the first 1 is very different
Oh hey! It's Sonic Robo Blast 2!
Most of this levels look like a modification of Mario 64 and Sunshine, which is great because those games are awesome
Yeah yeah
I finally finished watching this video after 5 attempts lol. Started watching it past night and drifted off to sleep in my chair. Got up and went to bed, put this on again while laying down, fell asleep. Woke up in the middle of the night and was like oh yeah I wanted to watch a review on this game while it is on sale. Put it on and promptly passed out again. Woke up this morning and threw it on then got a call. Then put it on again and had to go to the bathroom then got sidetracked and started making a protein shake. Ffs. Finally I am watching it again and missing it again cuz I am writing this pointless comment.
8:13 I WAS LITERALLY ABOUT TO COMMENT THAT EXACT FUCKING THING
I was on the fence about buying this game, but your review sold it for me.
Huh, my money was on an Undungeon review.
You review many games I want to play so I keep leaving your videos for later so I don't see spoilers =(
I still watch 30 seconds and give you a thumbs up though.
Interesting stuff, not my type of game but the art style and presentation is enticing
It looks a bit sonic robo blast-y and if its half as good im defiantly gona pick it up.
This game looks like a game I might really enjoy, there has been a big name indie 3D platformer since A Hat in Time. Also, Ratchet Rift Apart can count as a platform shooter.
I really dig this games aesthetics. And the gameplay doesn't look half bad either.
Man this looks cool, I wasn't aware it existed at all! Right up my alley! And nice coverage of it, really sold me.
About speedruns, its like, i dunno, its down to luck really, it's all about the community showing interest, sometimes it takes a while, sometimes its super fast like Celeste.
I'm surprised marketing hasn't started sponsoring speedruners for games like these that are sorta intended as a speed game, tho', considering how every single time a new big Metroidvania, Soulsy or Horror game comes out there is a lot of dumbasses going ''I saw someone beat this in 1 hour, wow, 60 dollars for that?'' i kinda get why they don't do it. Cause there's a lot of dumbasses online.
That game looks like Sonic Robo Blast 2 but polished and better level design.
You know a game is truly small and indie when there is 0 google results of rule 34 content of it
Nice review!
I liked the jokes, particularly the vietnam one!
Oh god Anonymous Agony
The sonic game that could've been...
I like the design of the main character
YE YE YE
If anything it looks amazing, the style is awesome.
The first level you showed gameplay of really reminds me of the first bowser level in Mario 64. Not accusing or anything just thought the resemblance was interesting.
Edit: 6:27 tik tok clock!
Thats because it is
3:19 when i see 21:37 i can only thing about pope John Paul II and a lot of memes
I guest helltaker/examtaker are next then
YE YE 8:17
I don't think this game will succeed as a speed game. The main reason being watch-ability. As you said the art style is divisive and as such people streaming speedruns will probably see a lower viewer count than normal. The lower view count will incentivize runners to not spend an excessive amount of time streaming it. 2nd thought I think the sheer amount of content makes it harder to have categories for Demon Turf. Example if you speedrun a level do you use any upgrades or just upgrades you could have up to that point or no upgrades at all? I could see an any% speedrun maybe being viable but the first issue of watch-ability still comes to mind.
this looks fun af
I get looking at the twitter man's oc was half of the point of the game but they REALLY need to zoom the camera out watching this makes me nauseous
I noticed this game is imitating quite a few levels from SM64. I know the first one you showed was nearly a 1-1 copy. Is there a lot of that or is it just occasional?
Theres only like 3 or 4 put of like over 100 levels/challenges
@@ProbablyJacob I gotcha
I think I can hold off on some Smoothie time to watch this video.
I will say, fellow gamers, VA-11 Hall-A (AKA Waifu Bartending) is a really really good visual novel where you pour drinks to get different dialogue.
It is currently on a Black Friday sale on PS4 (maybe other platforms too) for about $10. It is worth the money if realistic adult conversations sound nice to you
extremely overrated
the artstyle is great, the writing is mediocre at best
Game Grumps PTSD
Soild 7/10
#justacommentofappreciation
Ye Ye ( Ye)
gotta stop watching this and buy the game 😬 thank you for convincing me
Thank you comment..
so you've played ikenfell..... can we get a vid?
What?
@@ProbablyJacob nevermind me homie, Im tripping
8:00 what song does it remind you of? It sounds familiar but i don't remember.
ayoooo
I have perhaps never encountered another game that interests me less in every aspect, from music, gameplay, graphics and setting. I can still appreciate the work that went into this and tell that it's most certainly a good piece of media and other people can find a lot of enjoyment with it.
What the fuck is this game, it looks awesome.
Voice crack at 3:03
a like and comment. lol
It looks like a good Bubsy
demon non-inclusionary radical feminist?
Wow this game looks hilariously unfun
i think the most difficult speedrun for this game is going to be "go outside and talk to a woman, any percent"
That 2D player sprite looks so weird
Should have gone with a low poly 3D model
There's a very thin line between making an homage and straight-up stealing. That first level shown isn't a love letter to retro 3D titles, it's literally just Bowser in the Dark World. Whatever positives there are to say, that's going to sour my opinions of this game going forward--now I have to wonder how many of those positives are actually from the devs themselves and how many of those positives were just lifted from other games by talentless hacks.
this game has over 100 levels are there are a few that are extremely obvious reworks and homages of classic platform levels. This is totally self aware and not "stealing". Its not like they thought you wouldnt notice, lmao