I'm glad they changed Junpei's dialogue. ??? not only assumed the form of his best friend, it also made a mockery of Trismegistus, which is essentially Chidori's persona as much as it is his. It's not a joking matter and Junpei's new reaction emphasized his maturity and the severity of the situation.
@@Kalakauai123 even if it is a connection, that's a shadow so they can do whatever they want with the personas they want, so jumpei can do what he wants to that copy
I mean if a creature took the form of my dead best friend *AND* mocked my persona which is the fusion of my dead girlfriend and myself, I’d be just as mad as Junpei is here.
@@javierf6162 If you don’t help Junpei in getting flowers then Chidori actually dies. If you do, she wakes up yes; but she loses her memories including the ones with Junpei so the old Chidori technically dies in this case.
But it's implied that she remembers a part of him due her appearing in her dreams slightly, and she said she's "going to search for the man in her dreams" so there's a possibility that she'll remember junpei ( or she'll just fall in love with him again )@@leohernandez8751
i love how everyone is either mad, concerned or just questioning everything, and then theres mitsuru and akihiko who just go "well i dont know the rules of this thing but surely MY persona cant be copied"
Rise: Was that your Persona just now?! Senpai, be careful! Adachi: Magatsu-Izanagi? Well aren't you a cheeky little shit! Marie: Kaguya?! Ugh, can this thing get even more irritating?! Futaba: That was one of Joker's Personas! This thing's playing with cheat codes! Morgana: Mercurius?! Hey, we're the Phantom Thieves here! Ryuji: Seiten Taisei?! For real?! Ann: Did he just summon Hecate? Yusuke: An intricate forgery, but that's all it is... Queen: He's copying Anat now. Haru: Astarte... Akechi: Loki? Are you trying to piss me off?! Violet: Why are you using Vanadis?!
The red effects of enemy Persona users has been a thing but the fact it’s black is so cool, especially with the water aesthetic they got going on a sort of rebirth/Baptism vibe the with Strega it makes it look like blood because their Personas are actively harmful to use and ???’s is blackened old blood because it’s a facsimile of a dead man, or maybe I’m looking to much into it and they just wanted it to be edgier than normal.
I never thought about this until now but, what if in the OG FES & this DLC, what if he used Caster (Castor?) at one point? Shinjiro’s persona. I’d love to see how the cast (especially Akihiko) would react to seeing ??? using Shinjiro’s persona during this fight
@@Skyler-f7mspecifically this shade is a construction of the living sees members inner desires to see Him again. In a way, this is a battle against themselves. Similarly to how Metis exists, you could say.
@@Anonymous529 speaking of, I think the armbands now carry into the story of P4 Arena and P4 Arena Ultimax Mitsuru: 0 Akihiko: 1 Shinjiro (+): 2 Door-Kun (+): 3 Yukari: 4 Junpei: 5 Fuuka: 6 Aigis: 7 Koromaru: 8 Ken: 9 Metis woulda been 10 if she stuck around. Maybe that's occupied by Labrys now after P4AU.
@@azurerider812 I dunno, after P3R they mostly (Except Mitsury, Akihiko and Aigis) left SEES and went on to just live their normal lives; they only come back because Mitsuru tells them it’s an emergency
@@Anonymous529 they'll reconvene into the Shadow Operatives. In Ultimax, there was talk about Agents 4, 5, 8 and 9 which are Yukari, Junpei, Koro and Ken respectively. Mitsuru also mentions 6 which is Fuuka.
I feel like it’s a huge missed opportunity that Shadow Makoto never brought out Castor, maybe he could’ve used him if you brought Mitsuru, Akihiko and Ken in the team, since they’re the 3 with the most relationship to Shinjiro
Reverse Castor did not even appear in P3 The Answer since Shadow Makoto was made from everyones grief who was still alive. Thats why it can use the teams Persona, but not those who were not involved in his creation, like Shinjiro, Metis or Makoto (with Orpheus)
It's poetic really. A monster of their creation using the same abilities as their leader which in turn coped their own powers. This is some next level masochism.
I've said this in the commets section of a video from the OG version, but it's still satisfying hearing characters say the names of their Personas outside of summoning.
Junpei felt legitimately insulted, and I'm glad he did after the hell he went through, his anger is completely justified And also hearing how pissed off Koromaru is was actually unsettling
Like in the original, it doesn’t have Metis’s persona, so if you have Metis in your fighting team, after it uses your other teammates’ personas, the next switch is back to Athena.
Could this the in universe origin of the picaro personas? tho this is the subconscious so this ain’t exactly literal but association with words do like ancient gteek butterfly/soul/wind. Picaro means rouge or bohemian, pretty much artistic deviant. ??? Is a manifestation of guilt, just like how one express emotions through art. They are our team’s personal personas that follow the command of another, like a rouge subordinate. Even more they are black, silver and red versions that are more powerful then the original, just need some gold and more edgy clothing and it’s practically picaro.
Mmm, although the picaro personas don't have a canon background, that's an interesting interpretation of them. IMO, Atlus just decided that it'd be cool that DLC personas followed the P5 trend (since they're guests) and came up with their picaro versions.
Whats funny is that Atlus released a Persona game for mobile (i think) called Persona 3 M which had Sees fighting against shadows of themselves who had the same Persona's but were negative
A question: Are Metis & Psyche not affected? I've seen the original but never thought about it. I assume the battle isn't coded for them. TY for reading! 🔅
@@infinitypercival5958 Spoiler. I think the reason why ??? never copies Psyche is because Metis didn't create it. Yes, she's a facet of Aegis but it's the latter who contributed to ???'s existence.
A bit of spoilers, but ??? Is basically a shadow of grief created by the living members of SEES wanting to see him again. Since Métis never knew him, Psyche never gets copied.
Would've been really nice if he copied Juno for a Pinch Healing/Buffing move or used Shock Noise Maybe Fuuka: What!? Juno!? I- uh...be careful everyone!
Yeah I think the devs missed out with this one, as they could've used her as a persona that was just there for buffs or, even better, had her appear as his Theurgy Skill for when he reached half or critical health. The latter would be both scary and awesome at the same time.
0:46 Interestingly in the Japanese version of Reload, Junpei's line is the same old "you copycat!" (パクリかよ！) So this emotional upgrade for Junpei only occurs in the English localization.
I get that he was important to everyone but doesn't it feel like they're just sliding Shinji under the rug? Imagine if along with everyone's persona he also summoned Castor and everyone in the party would react
Okay I'm shamelessly ripping off a joke I saw on a complilation of the og ??? Fight but. When I'm at a restaurant and the salad list is a little too long 1:01
in my opinion, this feels better. OG Junpei was just calling it out that its a copycat. Reload Junpei is pissed, understandably. Because his persona was literally created from him and Chidori. It's like its mocking their love for eachother.
I'm glad they changed Junpei's dialogue.
??? not only assumed the form of his best friend, it also made a mockery of Trismegistus, which is essentially Chidori's persona as much as it is his. It's not a joking matter and Junpei's new reaction emphasized his maturity and the severity of the situation.
Fr
"it's our persona too"
With his connection with Chidori, it's personal to him.
@@Kalakauai123 even if it is a connection, that's a shadow so they can do whatever they want with the personas they want, so jumpei can do what he wants to that copy
Rather he called ??? a copycat
Koromaru: 'Mad? No Fuuka, I'm not mad... I'm furious!'
Furryious
'He has NO right summoning Cerberus like that!'
Must’ve been a “ruff” time
It's almost like ??? did that on pawwpose
KOROMARU can no longer be SAD or HAPPY.
Jesus, Junpei ain't letting that slide and understandably so.
I mean if a creature took the form of my dead best friend *AND* mocked my persona which is the fusion of my dead girlfriend and myself, I’d be just as mad as Junpei is here.
@@leohernandez8751well chidori is alive tho
@@javierf6162 If you don’t help Junpei in getting flowers then Chidori actually dies. If you do, she wakes up yes; but she loses her memories including the ones with Junpei so the old Chidori technically dies in this case.
But it's implied that she remembers a part of him due her appearing in her dreams slightly, and she said she's "going to search for the man in her dreams" so there's a possibility that she'll remember junpei ( or she'll just fall in love with him again )@@leohernandez8751
@@leohernandez8751chidoris alive in arena ultimax though.
Love how angry Junpei is
Can’t really blame him. I’d be pissed of if that happened to me. Specially considering what hapened to Chidori
His persona is literally of a fusion of him and his dead lovers soul of course he’s gonna be pissed
I allways wondered is chidori alive during the answer even tho u can get her alive in the main story (spoilers)
@@starfire6789Most likely they gave her an ambiguous ending like akechi and then, only mentioned here and there but no appearance whatsoever.
@@starfire6789she's alive, during the ultimax games he has a necklace she gave him
i love how everyone is either mad, concerned or just questioning everything, and then theres mitsuru and akihiko who just go "well i dont know the rules of this thing but surely MY persona cant be copied"
Ken's expecting it.. "there's Kala-Nemi
"Ain't no way"
-Them, probably.
Meanwhile Junpei and Koromaru are ready to throw hands to a copycat
Was really looking forward for Koromaru getting really offended by having his persona copied in the remake LMAO
Tbh I feel like the others aren't offended enough.
I would've thought Akihiko would be fuming
@@smilingman4299I think Junpei’s pretty pissed
@@kirbywithaknifeisawesome6028 Not pissed enough
I really like how junpei is actually pissed about ??? Using his persona especially since it has a lot of sentimental value to him
Rise: Was that your Persona just now?! Senpai, be careful!
Adachi: Magatsu-Izanagi? Well aren't you a cheeky little shit!
Marie: Kaguya?! Ugh, can this thing get even more irritating?!
Futaba: That was one of Joker's Personas! This thing's playing with cheat codes!
Morgana: Mercurius?! Hey, we're the Phantom Thieves here!
Ryuji: Seiten Taisei?! For real?!
Ann: Did he just summon Hecate?
Yusuke: An intricate forgery, but that's all it is...
Queen: He's copying Anat now.
Haru: Astarte...
Akechi: Loki? Are you trying to piss me off?!
Violet: Why are you using Vanadis?!
Ryuji: 4real
You really captured their personalities in these hypothetical lines, good job.
How come you've done one for Yu, Adachi, and Marie, but not the rest of the Investigation Team?
@@gioelealpizar6009 Because they were the only P4 characters represented through the DLC Personas.
@@edwardramos4591 oh. Still, though.
can we talk about how hard that cut-in goes?
The red effects of enemy Persona users has been a thing but the fact it’s black is so cool, especially with the water aesthetic they got going on a sort of rebirth/Baptism vibe the with Strega it makes it look like blood because their Personas are actively harmful to use and ???’s is blackened old blood because it’s a facsimile of a dead man, or maybe I’m looking to much into it and they just wanted it to be edgier than normal.
I'm so glad I played this game blind cuz that cut-in was amazing and seeing in for the first time was so cool!!
I never thought about this until now but, what if in the OG FES & this DLC, what if he used Caster (Castor?) at one point? Shinjiro’s persona. I’d love to see how the cast (especially Akihiko) would react to seeing ??? using Shinjiro’s persona during this fight
Maybe it'll go like this:
"No not again! Castor won't take another life!"
Yes, it's Castor
Meanwhile if that happens, Ken will just get PTSD and then Mitsuru will be confused too like how even her Persona is also used
I belive the shadow can only take form of the living not dead ones.
@@Skyler-f7mspecifically this shade is a construction of the living sees members inner desires to see Him again. In a way, this is a battle against themselves. Similarly to how Metis exists, you could say.
I like what they did for the model of ???
They even included the new bits like the armband.
@@azurerider812Tbf, wouldn’t make much sense if he was wearing the old armband lol
@@Anonymous529 speaking of, I think the armbands now carry into the story of P4 Arena and P4 Arena Ultimax
Mitsuru: 0
Akihiko: 1
Shinjiro (+): 2
Door-Kun (+): 3
Yukari: 4
Junpei: 5
Fuuka: 6
Aigis: 7
Koromaru: 8
Ken: 9
Metis woulda been 10 if she stuck around. Maybe that's occupied by Labrys now after P4AU.
@@azurerider812 I dunno, after P3R they mostly (Except Mitsury, Akihiko and Aigis) left SEES and went on to just live their normal lives; they only come back because Mitsuru tells them it’s an emergency
@@Anonymous529 they'll reconvene into the Shadow Operatives. In Ultimax, there was talk about Agents 4, 5, 8 and 9 which are Yukari, Junpei, Koro and Ken respectively. Mitsuru also mentions 6 which is Fuuka.
Junpei Copyrighting Trismegistus
It's basically a wedding certificate between him and Chidori, so ??? using Tris is like saying "haha, your love is fake"
@@joshuabergman3292 LMAO????
0:45 I bet Chidori wouldn't like that...
It's obvious
0:45 Insulting Chidori's soul will cause Junpei to burn you to hell.
Imagine how furious Akihiko would be if the Shadow of Doubt used Castor
Akihiko: Castor!? ...How *DARE* you!?
Ken: Castor? N-no...it can't be.
Mitsuru: What? It can use Caator as well?!
I’m glad they changed some of the Dialogue
Most of the lines, especially in the Colosseum
"Gimme that key!!" There's a reason why some people call her B*tchkari in Fes lmao
The biggest mockery from ??? ever
"You guys got matured? Yeah, right, check THIS so-called matured personas you have lolololol"
I feel like it’s a huge missed opportunity that Shadow Makoto never brought out Castor, maybe he could’ve used him if you brought Mitsuru, Akihiko and Ken in the team, since they’re the 3 with the most relationship to Shinjiro
Reverse Castor did not even appear in P3 The Answer since Shadow Makoto was made from everyones grief who was still alive. Thats why it can use the teams Persona, but not those who were not involved in his creation, like Shinjiro, Metis or Makoto (with Orpheus)
Sadly that wouldn't happend, ??? can only copy Personas of living people who thought of him, same reason why he can summon Athena but not Psyque
It's poetic really. A monster of their creation using the same abilities as their leader which in turn coped their own powers. This is some next level masochism.
In alternative world where Shinjiro's still lives.
Shinjiro: "What the!? How the hell, it using Castor?!
I am a shadow, the true self.
1:46 Nah, you don’t say…
god they cooked with that cut-in
I've said this in the commets section of a video from the OG version, but it's still satisfying hearing characters say the names of their Personas outside of summoning.
0:46 this is why i like junpei
I love how the cut in of the shadow MC looks like. I love how there’s like blood in it too. It looks cool in my opinion
❤️ That cut in is absolutely gorgeous 🖤
I’m gonna miss Mitsuru’s crudely put together line from fes 😭
It had a good run.
Junpei's reaction essentially being "You dont have the right to use Trismegistus!" is the best of them all
Fuuka: Koro-Chan looks mad!
Me: No duh, Sherlock.
Junpei's new reaction is so much better in my opinion. He sounds genuinely furious.
How would the rest of the Investigation Team, Sho, Labrys, Wolf, Sophie and Toshiro react if ??? used their Personas?
Shadow Makoto looks so evil and ruthless, holy shit. That eyecatch was sick
Junpei felt legitimately insulted, and I'm glad he did after the hell he went through, his anger is completely justified
And also hearing how pissed off Koromaru is was actually unsettling
Like in the original, it doesn’t have Metis’s persona, so if you have Metis in your fighting team, after it uses your other teammates’ personas, the next switch is back to Athena.
everybody gangsta 'till shadow makoto whips out castor
This game has taught me that if doggo gets mad, YOU RUN!
I can't wait for the modders to change ??? into the FeMC model with the same updates just because they probably can.
Can't use his Wild Card Personas, but can use his friends' Personas.
Could've been cool if he could use Juno for some kind of healing/boost skill
1:43 You have enraged the doggy!!! It's going to bite your legs off!!!
Hell yeah, Junpei and Koromaru are rightfully pissed
That persona change animation was dope
Shinjiro: "What? Castor... but how?"
0:45 Awwww
I honestly wish they made him copy Juno as well considering Fuuka is a lot more involved in combat in Reload than she was in the old iterations.
Mitsuru : he's not using artemisia properly when not casting marin karin
Atlus missed the opportunity
Imagine what would Fuuka’s reaction be if ??? used Juno (stat boost or healing?)
Anyone else notice how the copied personas all are blank/white/chrome colored?
Imagine if he used Fuuka's persona for a weakness scan
That could have been nice actually, I mean, they could have add it very easily since it's an already existing enemy skill that Jin uses
Just finished watching a playthrough & didn't know about this except Aigis. Nice touch. Thanks.
I wonder how mad Aki would get if ??? used Shinji's Persona...
Finally, HD!
Edit: aw dammit, no more copycat from nu Junpei
This is what I was searching for! Thanks for the video!
Nah, that's just straight up evil. I hope Junpei hits nothing but crits when I get to this fight
They're lucky Makoto Yuki didn't buy the Magatzu-Izanagi DLC.
This looked like the same thing in PERSONA III FES. THE ANSWER
Idk who ??? is but they look cool, maybe bring it back for another spinoff game or somethin
They could have done it with ultimax with ??? As npc but with a playable p3mc
(??? uses Arsene)
Joker: What?! Why is it using my Persona?
???: Now you know...how it feels...
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
koromaru was spitting the shit out of him
Could this the in universe origin of the picaro personas?
tho this is the subconscious so this ain’t exactly literal but association with words do like ancient gteek butterfly/soul/wind. Picaro means rouge or bohemian, pretty much artistic deviant. ??? Is a manifestation of guilt, just like how one express emotions through art. They are our team’s personal personas that follow the command of another, like a rouge subordinate. Even more they are black, silver and red versions that are more powerful then the original, just need some gold and more edgy clothing and it’s practically picaro.
Mmm, although the picaro personas don't have a canon background, that's an interesting interpretation of them. IMO, Atlus just decided that it'd be cool that DLC personas followed the P5 trend (since they're guests) and came up with their picaro versions.
@@GabyEzePereira yes of course in our world outside the game, but I’m talking about how they came to be in the world of persona
@@shiningstar737 Yes, that's why i pointed out picaro personas don't exist lorewise, so there's no exact explanation.
BRO IT JUST CAME OUT TODAY
He was playing it all day yesterday
People still surprised what streamers got copys of game far more earlier then normal players and have time to prepare content.
I didnt get it early though, I just rushed it on stream
imagine how funny it would've been if they made ??? use fuuka's to full heal himself and reveal weaknesses
Whats funny is that Atlus released a Persona game for mobile (i think) called Persona 3 M which had Sees fighting against shadows of themselves who had the same Persona's but were negative
i know if it were me i would probably be like “wtf dude that’s MINE”
A question: Are Metis & Psyche not affected? I've seen the original but never thought about it. I assume the battle isn't coded for them.
TY for reading! 🔅
Psyche isn't copied in the original, i wouldn't think ???? Can copy it in the remake either
Makoto and Metis never met, so ??? not being able to copy Psyche would make perfect sense to me.
@@infinitypercival5958 Perfect and rational sense, thank you! Was a sudden thought and glad to see there's reasonal logic to back it. 🫰
@@infinitypercival5958 Spoiler.
I think the reason why ??? never copies Psyche is because Metis didn't create it. Yes, she's a facet of Aegis but it's the latter who contributed to ???'s existence.
A bit of spoilers, but ??? Is basically a shadow of grief created by the living members of SEES wanting to see him again.
Since Métis never knew him, Psyche never gets copied.
Dark protag must have got that day 1 dlc persona pack
Would've been cool if Shinji's persona was summoned too
I killed it so fast it never got to use any others 😭😭
_Koromaru is Furious_
He was angry and furious!
Needed a video like this because I killed him too fast, even on Heartless 😂
They really pulled the??? Card again...
Yo, remember when this guy had like, niflheim and panta rhei n shit? *Good times.*
Everyone: How is he using all these personas?
Like they didn't JUST have a year long adventure with him...
He can use multiple, but never his teammate's.
Wildcards can only use Persona they capture or fuse.
Athena hurts the most considering Metis is Athena so he’s basically using your own sister against you
Can you do a showcase of new Fusion Spells?
will do!
@@FazPersona Thanks a lot! And sorry for the trouble
@@ark7806no worries goat. video is up!
Would've been really nice if he copied Juno for a Pinch Healing/Buffing move or used Shock Noise
Maybe
Fuuka: What!? Juno!? I- uh...be careful everyone!
Okay, but we should actually get to see him use Juno. I get there wouldn't be much of a point, but complete the experience.
Yeah I think the devs missed out with this one, as they could've used her as a persona that was just there for buffs or, even better, had her appear as his Theurgy Skill for when he reached half or critical health. The latter would be both scary and awesome at the same time.
How did I not see any of thee but Athena lol. I might have accidentally been over leveled
I noticed that when ??? uses their personas they have a different color
So sad I missed all of this. I had Akihiko use a theurgy and he did like 10k damage and 1 shot this boss...
RIP The wrong salad joke with Akihiko. Just doesn't work anymore
literally forgot about this because i beat him in like 4 turns.
I never got this far in the fight cause I Armageddoned his ass in like 2 rounds
This has always been my question, is ??? actually using a persona, or is it just making it appear physically and using the skill itself?
0:46 Interestingly in the Japanese version of Reload, Junpei's line is the same old "you copycat!" (パクリかよ！) So this emotional upgrade for Junpei only occurs in the English localization.
This is one of the few times an English Dub does it better than the original one.
I get that he was important to everyone but doesn't it feel like they're just sliding Shinji under the rug? Imagine if along with everyone's persona he also summoned Castor and everyone in the party would react
Shinji was dead before Makoto was, so it makes sense, you can't grieve someone if you die before them
Wait, he could switch Personas?! I beat him while he was using Athena. And i was even on hard mode...
Man, voice direction was a little spotty for a couple characters.
Koro chan : Grrr (of disapproval)
Okay I'm shamelessly ripping off a joke I saw on a complilation of the og ??? Fight but.
When I'm at a restaurant and the salad list is a little too long 1:01
I never got to see this cause I just killed him in 3 turns, lol
Huh nice timing
Ok but where is Fuuka's Juno?
Had to come here because i killed him too fast😂
No shinji?
He's on vacation
Nah man dont worry he probably just forgot to include him
He died in the main story line
Do I still have to pay is a 30 $40 for this?
And again the bass game is like $70
I only got the junpei one
For boss who have everyone moveset he is very easy.
In the original he have the 4 tier elemental spells like Nilfiheim on Phentasilea, idk what happend here
I think it would’ve been funnier if Fuka didn’t say anything. Just leave the text there There is no reason to have a voice actor read that
Personally, would like when Junpei said, "Trismegistus... You damn copycat!" in FES
in my opinion, this feels better. OG Junpei was just calling it out that its a copycat.
Reload Junpei is pissed, understandably. Because his persona was literally created from him and Chidori. It's like its mocking their love for eachother.