I know I'm not alone when I say that for those of us of a certain age, PR 1984 encapsulates a big part of what drum and bugle corps "is". Raw power!! The more recent versions seem to be lacking that edginess.
Phantom own 1812, nobody does it like them. 1983 Phantom's 1812 is my favourite, Cant believe its not worthy of a mention here. Loved the bit at the end with the cymbals and tenors going to back field and coming back on with snares to end the show with 18 in the snare line
1992. The level of competition was amazing back then. Everything about '92 makes it the best. '83 comes in second and then Crown was great in 3rd. You can't beat the '92 drum arrangement for this piece
84 Phantom for pure Tchaikovsky (and with 2 valves). All Phantom drills. Carolina Crown beautiful horn line nice homage to Phantom with horn line step over. Loved Boston middle voices. PHANTOM WINS.
Unfortunately, the 1992 Regiment bras was not UNLEASHED like it was early in summer rehearsals. They were scaled back until about two weeks left in the season that year. I still don't think they were as loud at the end of the year as they were earlier in summer rehearsals. I was just happy to hear them every day though that season and they were definitely better at the end of the year. I was on the Phantom Regiment percussion staff. 1984 Phantom Regiment member.
This is Drum Corps AT IT'S BEST ! . . . . . Thank you for posting this. It really doesn't matter who you think did it best. Enjoy the energy and passion all the musicians and dancers/auxiliary have. These professionals are AMAZING and why I've followed Drum Corps since 1955.
In 1984 Was My First WORLD CHAMPION SHIPS . I Have Always Been A PHANTOM REGIMENT Fan , Seeing And Hearing The 1812 Overture Preformed By Them Was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE !!!! They Placed 3rd In Prelims But Were Up Staged By SCV And Came in 4th . But In 1992 PHANTOM REGIMENT Had New WHITE UNIFORMS And 👋🤟🤘👍 HANDS DOWN BYFAR THE VERY BEST ❤️😁😆😍🥰🤩🥳 !!!!
‘84 PR rendition of 1812 Overture is the standard unit of measure for all, and I mean ALL, other renditions of 1812 Overture. ‘92 PR is a close second.
I may be biased, considering I am a FMM (Cavaliers '77-'87), but is this even a question ??!! No contest... 1984 Phantom Regiment !!! Phantom was the blueprint for any Classical-based Drum Corps to this day. SPLOOIE-4-Life (and beyond) 💚💀🖤🏳🌈
All were super fantastic...the 1984 version was so REAL..you could feel as if you were in the middle of the battle...amazing talent by ALL the years teams...Love all of you guys ..you ahd tears straming doen this old ruddy face...
Yeah. They really captured the randomness of exploding artillery in a superior way, yet also orchestrated to be highly musically effective. I couldn't pick any singular show here, just because each has some amazing hair raising properties. I have always been a huge fan of this type of show. (It) encapsulates history, tradition, musicality, and creating an auditory experience with great artistic expression. And, big, fully blown chords that rip your face off. I'm gonna watch it again.
I was in the Regiment tenor line in '83 and '84. '84 for sure (except for the watering down of our tenor book). Technically, I was in the 18 member snare line at the end of 1812, too. Awesome show and rendition of 1812.
The 1983 Phantom Regiment version of 1812 should have gotten included in this debate. It should not be a debate anyway! It was the best Phantom Regiment version. I say that as I marched the 1984 version, and was on the percussion staff for the 1992 version. Both great versions! The 1983 version was also better than the other corps mentioned as you have to go with the originators as a start. HOW THE 1983 VERSION WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS IS A TRAVESTY !!
1984 was before I started following drum corps but that was a very good version. Plus, you can't beat seeing that Georgia Tech logo at the 50-yard line - GO JACKETS!! But I remember seeing 1992 that summer, so I have to go with that version. I remember loving the 1992 PR show.
Um, 1983 was not an option why ? Over the years, I would have expected PR to bring it back to the field as an entire show theme true to the original score. The way drum corps has “evolved”, now that will never happen.
We tried the best we could to do that in 1992. It was a great summer though !! 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member 1992 Phantom Regiment percussion staff member
Has to be ‘84 Phantom. I’m quite partial to classic drum corps. I’d like to see a corps that doesn’t seem to use the pit as a crutch, because (no offence to the pit) it just seemed better when the pit was just so the mallets and timpani wouldn’t weigh down the drill.
Was there in 84. Oh my this one is hard to choose. The 84 PR version is so iconic and they have to be given an award for having a beast of pit crew. That kid was beating the h*** out of the bass drum to get the cannon effect. Sentimental gives it to 84 PR. Best brass though has to be Crown. I think Finis might be the most underrated show in DCI history.
How about boston crusaders played it on the Boston esplanade in 2015 joining the Boston pops for the fourth of july concert that is some pretty good company to be performing with
This is so tough. Regiment 84 is the closest to the original, Regiment 92 has that awesome low brass, the mash up with Appalachian Spring in Crown 2008 was really cool , and idk too much about 2011 Boston, but that arrangement sounds interesting. I honestly can't pick one.
There is always a fine line between transcribing and arranging. How do you capture the essence of the original while adapting it to a different medium? Here, the designers are tasked with incorporating the end of a 15-minute overture into a completely separate production. The ending excerpt simply does not pace all that well as a drum corps finale, forcing the performers to overcome ill-timed climax points. I give credit to Michael Klesch (Crown) and Jay Kennedy (Boston) for recognizing the inherent pacing challenges to make the music work alongside the thrilling visual designs that accompany them.
you said it better than I could, but I felt like Crown 08 captured the music best. however, 84 Reg has a power and essence that the others can't even touch
All of them were 1st rate. Boston here for the win, imo. Creative and distinct arrangement of 1812 Overture, and the Visual here gave them the win, imo
OK, so these were all awesome, no question. However, the percussion section leader in PR 1984 was our drumline instructor at U of Iowa in the late 80s and we played exactly the same drumline parts, winning the Sudler trophy for that show in 1988/89. So I'm partial to that show, however I prefer the tempo and the power in the 92 version.
Yup. They're all great in their own ways, but the cream rose to the top in 1984. The Phantom version was unmatched. The first company front had me on my feet.
Boston had to stretch the beats to make its (still amazing) drill work, so no. Carolina Crown's sound is the richest, but '92 Phantom's drill is the best, but '84 Phantom's performance is purer, more true to the original. Overall, I'm going to vote '92 Phantom.
Boston Crusaders was by far the best modern take on it, phantom is the best traditional take on it. However, I would absolutely kill to see BC incorporate streamers and maybe use bigger more diverse flags for guard. That would make it perfect
PR . Watching other corps play it… I liken it to a hypothetical Bluecoats playing Phantom of the Opera. They could do it, but it would seem just a bit wrong.
92 PHANTOM. best 8th place show of all time. They were robbed. Just ask David st angel 😂 New school arrangements trying too hard. The original is badass enough. They are visually superior however drill wise.
I'm gonna give 84 Phantom the nod over 2008 Carolina Crown here. Crown's was technically superior, but I'm not a fan of their arrangement. 92 Phantom's arrangement seemed, at least to me, closest to the original arrangement. 2011 BAC was selling me initially, until they stopped moving and then cut half of it out. 84 Phantom had me throwing babies, and 08 Crown's had me going "Holy crap that's clean." but I'll take baby throwing over technical prowess any day....Tho in this case it's VERY close.
1984 phantom regiment rendition of 1812 overture was the best of all times, hands down.
Thank you
1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
Marched snare in the 50’s/60’s. Phantom is probably my favorite modern day Corps. 1984 was the s**t! Things have changed since ‘66.
0:45 homie heard that bass drum was talkin shit
I know I'm not alone when I say that for those of us of a certain age, PR 1984 encapsulates a big part of what drum and bugle corps "is". Raw power!! The more recent versions seem to be lacking that edginess.
Thank you !
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment member
nailed it
We've gone from power to brightness. I still prefer the G bugles.
I was in Phantom Regiment in 1983 and 1984 and I must agree with you, being in the middle of that was so awesome
1984 Phantom Regiment performance of the 1812 is a classic! It will never be duplicated...ever!
Thank you
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
Without a doubt, 1992 Phantom! Two words...Low Brass. Deep, rich sound. Can listen to that excerpt over & over.....
You should have heard 1983.
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
I was down on the field in 1983 and 1984 and I must tell you I still get shivers down my spine when I hear it
All so incredible, but let's face it, that is Phantom's gig.
Phantom own 1812, nobody does it like them.
1983 Phantom's 1812 is my favourite, Cant believe its not worthy of a mention here.
Loved the bit at the end with the cymbals and tenors going to back field and coming back on with snares to end the show with 18 in the snare line
1992. The level of competition was amazing back then. Everything about '92 makes it the best. '83 comes in second and then Crown was great in 3rd. You can't beat the '92 drum arrangement for this piece
84 Phantom for pure Tchaikovsky (and with 2 valves). All Phantom drills. Carolina Crown beautiful horn line nice homage to Phantom with horn line step over. Loved Boston middle voices. PHANTOM WINS.
92 Regiment brass, 2011 Boston visual. Those ending moves were off the wall.
Yes...loved the formations!
Unfortunately, the 1992 Regiment bras was not UNLEASHED like it was early in summer rehearsals. They were scaled back until about two weeks left in the season that year. I still don't think they were as loud at the end of the year as they were earlier in summer rehearsals.
I was just happy to hear them every day though that season and they were definitely better at the end of the year. I was on the Phantom Regiment percussion staff.
1984 Phantom Regiment member.
I'm partial to 84, but that's because we (BD) went on right after Regiment.
Thank you from a 1984 PR member !
@@OndrausCissell If I didn't pick 84, Jan Huffman from the 83-84 guard would probably kill me!
83 and 84 Phantom
This is Drum Corps AT IT'S BEST ! . . . . . Thank you for posting this. It really doesn't matter who you think did it best. Enjoy the energy and passion all the musicians and dancers/auxiliary have. These professionals are AMAZING and why I've followed Drum Corps since 1955.
As a member of 1984 PR guard gotta go old school.
Gotta go old school with 84 Phantom. So classic.
Thank you
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
In 1984 Was My First WORLD CHAMPION SHIPS . I Have Always Been A PHANTOM REGIMENT Fan , Seeing And Hearing The 1812 Overture Preformed By Them Was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE !!!! They Placed 3rd In Prelims But Were Up Staged By SCV And Came in 4th . But In 1992 PHANTOM REGIMENT Had New WHITE UNIFORMS And 👋🤟🤘👍 HANDS DOWN BYFAR THE VERY BEST ❤️😁😆😍🥰🤩🥳 !!!!
Thanks for being a fan !
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
84’ Phantom was just SO LOUD. Lots of visuals going on with some of the others, but 84 was my favorite...
Thank you
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
@@OndrausCissell My high school also marched with the split shell drums. How did you like them ??
"92 Phantom for me. Love the rich sound and visually appealing GE.
84' and 92' the contras towards the end are very powerful!! Gives me the chills!!!!
😎👍Class of '84! That front line of percussion played their asses off! The only thing missing were the cannons!
Thank you.
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
1984 Phantom just told the front ensemble to make as much noise as possible 😂
‘84 PR rendition of 1812 Overture is the standard unit of measure for all, and I mean ALL, other renditions of 1812 Overture. ‘92 PR is a close second.
Phantom Regiment 100% fantastic
Thank you
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
84 PR...power at its finest...and the chorale at the beginning of the piece is amazing...the sops were crystalline!!!
I may be biased, considering I am a FMM (Cavaliers '77-'87), but is this even a question ??!! No contest... 1984 Phantom Regiment !!! Phantom was the blueprint for any Classical-based Drum Corps to this day. SPLOOIE-4-Life (and beyond) 💚💀🖤🏳🌈
All were super fantastic...the 1984 version was so REAL..you could feel as if you were in the middle of the battle...amazing talent by ALL the years teams...Love all of you guys ..you ahd tears straming doen this old ruddy face...
92 Regiment, period
Phantom Regiment's 1984 bells and 1992 low brass, with Carolina Crowns 2008 pit arrangement, drill movements and tempo.
Yeah. They really captured the randomness of exploding artillery in a superior way, yet also orchestrated to be highly musically effective. I couldn't pick any singular show here, just because each has some amazing hair raising properties. I have always been a huge fan of this type of show. (It) encapsulates history, tradition, musicality, and creating an auditory experience with great artistic expression. And, big, fully blown chords that rip your face off. I'm gonna watch it again.
1992 Rockford Phantom Regiment SUTA! (No brainer.)
Loved them all. It's as if drum corps was developed to play this piece--or this piece was developed for drum corps. Thanks for posting this.
Phantom '92
Great arrangement. Solid low brass. G Bugles.
The drum triplet at 3:50 does it for me. ‘92 Phantom.
I was in the Regiment tenor line in '83 and '84. '84 for sure (except for the watering down of our tenor book). Technically, I was in the 18 member snare line at the end of 1812, too. Awesome show and rendition of 1812.
Do tell !!
The 1983 Phantom Regiment version of 1812 should have gotten included in this debate. It should not be a debate anyway! It was the best Phantom Regiment version. I say that as I marched the 1984 version, and was on the percussion staff for the 1992 version. Both great versions! The 1983 version was also better than the other corps mentioned as you have to go with the originators as a start.
HOW THE 1983 VERSION WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS IS A TRAVESTY !!
1984 Phantom!!! amazing you had to be there in person since the recording doesn't make justice for how good it was!!!
1984 was before I started following drum corps but that was a very good version. Plus, you can't beat seeing that Georgia Tech logo at the 50-yard line - GO JACKETS!! But I remember seeing 1992 that summer, so I have to go with that version. I remember loving the 1992 PR show.
92 Phantom. The others were great but this is the definitive version for me.
'84. So true to the original score.
Xylophones! Just the way Tchaikovsky intended.
Thank you
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
Any corps other than Phantom on G bugles playing the 1812 Overture is just plain sacrilege.
2008 Carolina Crown was my favorite of these - coming out of nowhere and combined with other themes... genius!
Um, 1983 was not an option why ? Over the years, I would have expected PR to bring it back to the field as an entire show theme true to the original score. The way drum corps has “evolved”, now that will never happen.
We tried the best we could to do that in 1992. It was a great summer though !!
1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
1992 Phantom Regiment percussion staff member
1984 POWER!!!
Want so bad to say 92 but that crown brass though
My girl minding her business:
Me to her butt : 0:46
I tend to think 1812 belongs to Phantom Regiment. That being said, each of these corps did a spectacular job.
Obviously DCI.... Producing with great audio and video.... Thank you!!!
84 Phantom. You cannot believe how much power they had! Yes, I was there. I heard all these corps live, including Phantom 1983.
That’s really hard. They really are all amazing performances
you must be a DCI judge
@@kevinjohnson5210 I’m so glad I’m not
92 Phantom Regiment
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT...... 1984 Phantom Regiment!!!
Has to be ‘84 Phantom. I’m quite partial to classic drum corps. I’d like to see a corps that doesn’t seem to use the pit as a crutch, because (no offence to the pit) it just seemed better when the pit was just so the mallets and timpani wouldn’t weigh down the drill.
Musically, '84 Phantom; and '92 visually. That driving brass sound really knocked my socks of in '84. If they had cannons, it might have beaten SCV.
Anybody else think of the Bad News Bears with this? Just love the raw power all round!
Subtitle: 8 minutes of chills!
I think I enjoyed Phantom 84 the most but Boston 11 had some pretty dang cool visual stuff
I loved the 1992 Phantom show then and still do.
Was there in 84. Oh my this one is hard to choose. The 84 PR version is so iconic and they have to be given an award for having a beast of pit crew. That kid was beating the h*** out of the bass drum to get the cannon effect. Sentimental gives it to 84 PR. Best brass though has to be Crown. I think Finis might be the most underrated show in DCI history.
How about boston crusaders played it on the Boston esplanade in 2015 joining the Boston pops for the fourth of july concert that is some pretty good company to be performing with
Ah, that low brass sound from Phantom. Never gets old!
This is so tough. Regiment 84 is the closest to the original, Regiment 92 has that awesome low brass, the mash up with Appalachian Spring in Crown 2008 was really cool , and idk too much about 2011 Boston, but that arrangement sounds interesting. I honestly can't pick one.
You should have heard 1983.
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion instruments
There is always a fine line between transcribing and arranging. How do you capture the essence of the original while adapting it to a different medium? Here, the designers are tasked with incorporating the end of a 15-minute overture into a completely separate production. The ending excerpt simply does not pace all that well as a drum corps finale, forcing the performers to overcome ill-timed climax points. I give credit to Michael Klesch (Crown) and Jay Kennedy (Boston) for recognizing the inherent pacing challenges to make the music work alongside the thrilling visual designs that accompany them.
you said it better than I could, but I felt like Crown 08 captured the music best. however, 84 Reg has a power and essence that the others can't even touch
Well, I'm an 80's boy. So, hands down 84 Phantom!
PR '84 (but only because '83 wasn't an option). 😉
I still say 1983. We blazed the trail!
I got to see DCI in ‘83.... Phantoms was definitely one of our faves
84 PR!! Goosebumps!!!
I love when Crown’s mellos layered in Simple Gifts 😊
Being partial to G Bugles and the old-world brass sound, I'd go with '84 Phantom. :) !!
84 Phantom! Raw emotion lousy camera work!
Nothing beats the sound of Phantom...but kudos to Boston Crusaders as well with that visual accompaniment...
Phantom 92!
In terms of musical quality and musicianship. It's gotta be Crown for me. It just made me smile more. 🤷🏼♂️
All of them were 1st rate. Boston here for the win, imo. Creative and distinct arrangement of 1812 Overture, and the Visual here gave them the win, imo
OK, so these were all awesome, no question. However, the percussion section leader in PR 1984 was our drumline instructor at U of Iowa in the late 80s and we played exactly the same drumline parts, winning the Sudler trophy for that show in 1988/89. So I'm partial to that show, however I prefer the tempo and the power in the 92 version.
1987 Phantom Regiment - best. Been listening to it for years! And they did it all with only 2 valves LOL!!
‘84 for horn line 🎺
‘92 for color guard 🏴🏳🚩
‘2011 for drum line 🥁
‘84 for pit and general effect
The drill was obviously 2011
Yup. They're all great in their own ways, but the cream rose to the top in 1984. The Phantom version was unmatched. The first company front had me on my feet.
This one is tough… gotta go with Regiment ‘92. The low brass is INSANE!!!
Boston had to stretch the beats to make its (still amazing) drill work, so no. Carolina Crown's sound is the richest, but '92 Phantom's drill is the best, but '84 Phantom's performance is purer, more true to the original. Overall, I'm going to vote '92 Phantom.
1992 PR with the 2011 Crusaders a close 2nd
84 and 92 Phantom!!! Those Contras!!!!!!!
84 phantom for tempo, pure energy, 92 for drill
No doubt Phantom 84,pure and raw brass sound with the visual and percussion enhancing everything that was Drum Corps how it should be.
1984 had the best music, but 2011 had the best visuals!
Crown messed up not having shoulder canons to play that iconic part. Boston’s rendition was really cool though I had never heard it before
Boston Crusaders was by far the best modern take on it, phantom is the best traditional take on it. However, I would absolutely kill to see BC incorporate streamers and maybe use bigger more diverse flags for guard. That would make it perfect
PR . Watching other corps play it… I liken it to a hypothetical Bluecoats playing Phantom of the Opera. They could do it, but it would seem just a bit wrong.
Phantom 84 is the best in my opinion. Pure power!!
Tie for me: PR '92 had a great sound and great company fronts. BC had awesome company fronts.
1812 Overature is the Fast & Furious of Classical Music. My god it just sucks and never ends, but I can't stop watching it over and over again.
New American hymn!You welcom!Cheers!
‘92 Phantom
So basically who did it better, Phantom Regiment or Phantom Regiment?
Y'all left out 1979 Royal Brigade from NJ.
1st to play this on the field... I belive🤔
I would have to go with Carolina Crown. Got to support my homies.
Where's the year that they used air cannons?
92 PHANTOM. best 8th place show of all time. They were robbed. Just ask David st angel 😂
New school arrangements trying too hard. The original is badass enough. They are visually superior however drill wise.
Actually the 1983 Phantom Regiment version is the original for us.
From a 1984 Phantom Regiment percussion member
Definitely crown 2008. love that show
Since I was in Phantom Regiment 1984 I would have to say ours was the best
It's 92 for me! All the way!
I'm gonna give 84 Phantom the nod over 2008 Carolina Crown here. Crown's was technically superior, but I'm not a fan of their arrangement. 92 Phantom's arrangement seemed, at least to me, closest to the original arrangement. 2011 BAC was selling me initially, until they stopped moving and then cut half of it out. 84 Phantom had me throwing babies, and 08 Crown's had me going "Holy crap that's clean." but I'll take baby throwing over technical prowess any day....Tho in this case it's VERY close.
G Bugle: 1984 PR; Bb Horns: Boston.
Overall: 84 PR.