Haven't tried Cachy or Arch, but Pop and Nobara are pretty familiar and running Nobara 40 with KDE on two rigs, incl. my main gaming rig. It's pretty sweet.
My favorite distribution: I recently switched from Ubuntu after 8 years to Bazzite, which is a atomic fedora gaming distribution. Absolutely amazing concept of running linux
man, you should change the video title to include the name of the CPU 9800x3D Your video views will blow up in no time Also add "9800x3D" on the Thumbnail
you should definitly try out game-performance, closed vs open sourced nvidia driver and proton-cachy. This is what makes cachyos special compared to others.
For the 7900 XTX comparison, I'm testing with the performance meta that CachyOS has and I will see how it compares to Nobara 40, Windows 11 and a non gaming distro like PopOS
@@casuallygamin9 sounds good, you might also try out the closed source nvidia driver. Results in better performance for some games and I think DLSS too(?)
@@ThePhenoix504FI3D1 changing between open and close source driver is actually pretty easy on cachy atleast. But yes closed source is most of the time better.
OMG!!! this is amazing! exactly what i wanted. Sorry if its a lot of work, but after a dozen of these types of videos we should see if there is a winner amongst linux distros or same same. Boo for Win. Your amazing for doing this. keep up the great work!
the framerate might be lower, but I like how stable are %x on linux, game must not feel stuttery in comparison to windows. Could you make a video comparing games that have native linux support so that it won't be bottlenecked by traspiling process?
Would it be possible for you to include some DX11 or under games in future? I know most demanding games are DX12 but be nice to see how Nvidia holds up with DXVK, its nearly perfect on AMD
Well, next video will be with the 7900 XTX, as I have a backlog of videos to do. I will include as well DX11 games in my next Nvidia comparison, but this will be in a video for 2025
@@casuallygamin9 Thats great to hear, I'm hoping that the VKD3D performance is closer come 5000 series, would be nice not having to be on Windows while using a Nvidia GPU
On the KDE distros, did you use Wayland or X11? Great video btw, this let me know a lot of things I've wanted to find out but didn't know how yet. Keep it up! I hope you keep doing Nvidia and AMD, keeping up to date with the progress that Nvidia has been doing is always interesting
Wayland on both Nobara 40 and CachyOS. I will keep checking this as I do use Linux as a daily driver. I will release a 7900 XTX comparison in about 2 weeks.
@@casuallygamin9 Which Nvidia Driver ? With the 565 Wayland seems to be at X11 at least on average performance. (since explicit synch is now there). But still seeing framespikes in some Benchmarks with Wayland. I currently dont have Windows installed, but a retest with KDE in X11, with compositing disabled would be really interesting. At least that is how i get the most out of my 2080.
@@casuallygamin9 Well those Multiple Game Benchmarks are rare, especially If you want to see recent ones. So thank you for those. Pop!_OS is by default using Cosmic Desktop as far as I know. From Benchmarks in the past what often could be seen was KDE > Gnome. Where Cosmic Desktop ranges there, I have no Idea. The Graphics driver of Nvidia also plays a huge role, especially in Wayland. Any Driver Version
Will you make benches more focused on CPU testing between windows and linux ? There are games heavily CPU dependant like, say, satisfactory with a big factory and it would be interesting to see if there are differences between windows when the CPU is the limiting factor
One good example is Age of Mythology. This is why CachyOS is winning. I mentioned this in the video. Linux will do better then Windows. I will try to do a video in the future, that will focus on this.
satisfactory is gonna work on nobara or cachy perfectly fine. BUT, you will see lower performance just like any other game. this varies from 10 to 30% lower fps.
Great Video! Thank you very much! It's a shame, that Nvidia is not fully up there on Linux yet, but it got so much better. Btw, I can't wait for the AMD Test
Linux is pretty amazing already, considering it gives a viable option to still game without putting up with all Microsoft's crap. It's not for everyone, but then neither is Windows 11.
My favorite distro is Fedora, and has been for > a decade. I have used Nobara for the past year for gaming, which makes it easier to ignore the surrounding noise.
@@casuallygamin9 It might be worth a shot, but honestly I think Nobara is the better out of the box implementation. It is a Red Hat employee running Nobara so I don't expect Fedora to do better in this niche.
After testing so many ditros for gaming, I ca safely say that if you like a distro, stick with that one, as there is minimal performance difference, at least when using a Nvidia GPU.
Gaming in Linux would probably have much more prominence if we didn't have those cancerous kernel level rootkits they call "anti cheat" for the biggest multiplayer games (League of Legends, Roblox, GTA V, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Valorant, etc).
Gaming on linux would have far more prominence if there was feature parity with windows, and not a large amount of hardware specific shenanigans and oftentimes complicated setup of basic things. the real issue of linux is two fold. it's not user friendly and even distros aimed at being user friendly can have some very unfriendly issues especially for people unfamiliar and 2. hardware issues with nvidia/hdmI with how common they are in setups is going to hold things back
it's great to see that you know your arounds of linux after many tests. unfortunately nvidia still lacks performance on linux with proprietary drivers. Looking forward for AMD testing since i'm planning to switch to AMD to game on linux.
Most ditros will provide the same performance. I would say Nobara as you don't have to configure anything for gaming, it has everything set up from the get go. With that said, most will provide more or less the same experience, you will just need to figure some stuff on your own.
Yes, it's quite easy. But there are distros, like Nobara that have everything set up for gaming. For CachyOS, you just need to use pacman to install everything, which is easy to use
I was thinking of getting a used 3070 as an upgrade for my vega 56, now this is making me rethink my decision. Probably should get a 6700xt instead. Besides, rt isn't ready for linux yet
Yes, unfortunately on Nvidia hardware, you are losing some performance on Linux. Amd is the safest bet, if you are not dual booting. With that said, Nvidia GPUs are improving, and the performance difference between Windows and Linux is shrinking, but not as fast as all would want.
Did you use the CachyOS gaming meta, & use the Steam (Native) with proton-cachyos & the launch options "__GL_SHADER_DISK_CACHE_SKIP_CLEANUP=1 game-performance %command%" ? Results don't seem too right to me in certain games I defo get better performance than Windows occasionally*.
@@casuallygamin9 uhm steam (native) comes up in the start menu when you install the cachyos gaming meta package (not the arch one, the cachy one), and its got better performance, youre supposed to use it alongside the launch options i mentioned according to the cachy wiki. & yah, its not as good as windows on nvidia but it definitely can be in certain games for me. amd wise ive seen video benchmarks 15+ more fps than windows in certain games on amds side tho. you could try the first descendent or helldivers 2 if you do an amd video with the cachy gaming meta and all the launch options because im not convinced what ive seen in other videos is even real on amds end its too good to be true.
You have to understand that gaming in Linux needs an extra layer, a translation layer, like Wine or Proton to run Windows games. At the moment, there is a performance penalty on both Nvidia and AMD ( for AMD GPUs, I only tested games with the open source driver).
@@casuallygamin9 i know there's a performance reduction for proton, but i was wondering if the performance decrease for linux becomes larger when enabling raytracing
Imagine how good windows could be if it wasn't developed in eastern European/Indian sweatshops and Windows Desktop Shell was separate from the NT kernel.
Maybe you are correct. Another point would be imagine if Windows will have all the bloatware optional, it would not collect so much data to train their AI. I truly think Windows would be much better without so many feature, remember the days of Windows 7
@casuallygamin9 I too hope for kiosk like mode where my PC can run services like network attached storage, containers with apps like rorrent, radarr, sonarr, file downloaders and web scrapers. And boot windows desktop environment on demand from the some management interface.
Would also be really cool if you where to try this with X4 seeing as X4 is also more CPU dependant. Or even beter Space Engineers! (which is also very CPU dependant) plus Space Engineers would be a challenge to get it to work properly on Linux atleast as far as i understand.
@@casuallygamin9 Very much so yes, or atleast CPU very dependant. But to get them to that point, with X4 it takes time and requires you build your empire. And with space engineers you "can" build everything up slowly in survival, but you can also just smash together a whole lot of grids. And see how the CPU handles all the collissions.
Can you include Porteux Linux in your testing? I mean Porteux, not Porteus. It would be interesting to see the results compared to CachyOS and maybe Clear Linux for Intel CPUs. In future videos and tests, it might also be worth trying Clear Linux on an Intel CPU and perhaps a B580 Intel GPU. Clear Linux has optimizations specifically for Intel CPUs and GPUs. Additionally, CachyOS has excellent optimizations and tweaks that can significantly improve PC performance and gaming. Porteux Linux is also very fast and responsive. Some tests show it to be one of the fastest distributions, and it definitely has the fastest boot speed. I think we should give it a try for gaming to see how it performs. Thanks in advance!
I did test CachyOS with their haming meta package in the 7900 XTX comparison. To be honest, I didn't hear about those distros, but I have a B580 GPU that I'm testing in EndeavourOS, and it's bad. It has kernel version 6.12, so it knows the GPU as it has drivers for it. I get a lot of graphics glitches and it's kindaof unable right now, at least until 6.13 will be out. I'll do a ASRock B580 Challenger OC video, as I wanted to compare Windows vs Linux, but I would have to cherry pick games that work, and I don't want to do that
The difference are small. You will not lose performance in most games. In a few you will get a gew more. I would say that Linux performs close to Windows in most modern games
@@casuallygamin9 I have previously used Linux Mint and had some stuttering problems compared to W11 playing Death Stranding. I have an i7 11700F and a RX 7800XT with 32GB of RAM. Still the most problematic were the audio problems as I have a blue yeti and the OS detects it as Duplex which crashes PipeWire.
There are minor differences. I tested and there is no performance difference. Sometimes I saw 1-2 FPS more in favor of Proton-GE, sometimes Proton was in the advantage. If there is a performance difference, is meaningless. Glorious Eggroll just adds some minor tweeks to Proton and release it as Proton-GE. Either way, all 3 distros were using the same Proton-Experiemental, and the difference would have been the same even when compared to Windows.
Why should I focus on only those games. Are you playing only dx11 or vulkan games? This is the criteria that you use for playing games? In tis video I'm showing the difference in modern games, as most who are looking to move from Windows to Linux are interested in the performance difference in the todays games.
@@casuallygamin9 most modern games suck these days, and not everyone is going to play those games, you should get add some games like god of war rdr2 etc in these vids. Wayland also can apparently cause a performance loss in nvidia drivers, anyway great video.
I can understand that people play other games, but looking back it's harder to decided on which game to future in these benchmarks. It's a lot easier to test newer games, then selecting games from the past, for instance, starting from 5 years ago till today.
I dont think CachyOS is reporting the correct 1% and 0.1% lows. I've never seen any hardware or software combination have the exact same number for both in basically all games.
In the next Linux comparison I'll switch to amthe 7900 XTX, I have a lot of testing to do with this GPU, a lot of distros. I will try to cover this in a later video, but for sure it's not gonna be this year.
In the case for Nvidia GPUs the performance is lacking on Linux. Simply said the Linux drivers are still awful. In the the case of AMD on the other hand, the performance doesnt drop much if at all on Linux. Usually on native games it actually performs even better, but also some Wine/Proton titles benefit on Linux. I compared a few games on my RX 7900 GRE. I switched from Windows 10 to CachyOS and I dont see a way of going back. The only thing I am missing is the AMD Adrenalin software but thats a loss I can live with.
It seems Linux has made some massive leaps in recent times and will only get better. I'm considering switching due to copilot, bloat, adware and spyware on windows. I see some comments about CashyOS in here.
On Nvidia hardware you are losing some performance, on AMD GPUs you are on par more or less, but you lose performance again with RT, bit this with open source drivers
@casuallygamin9 I'm just testing out cachyOS with heroic launcher. I'm using the cachyOS optimized proton and have an AMD GPU. So far so good I must say.
@casuallygamin9 Thanks for replying It just set up amd gpu for my laptop without any hassle I tried nobara too it did setup the gpu but keep on glitching and getting due to an unknown reason For my old laptop cachy is one of the few gnome based distros that aren't glitching and work without any issue at all
Unfortunately Win 10 doesn't include the latest patches for AMD, or does it nowdays. I did compare it soem time ago, and it was a bit slower then Win11 with the 24h2 tweeks.
Windows crushes again. I don't see why people seriously use Linux as a primary gaming OS. If you can afford a high end gaming PC and a library of games, you can get a Windows license. It's not just performance either. Windows has full access to all competitive multiplayer games. You can also go out and buy any gaming mouse, keyboard, etc, and configure and update it.
The issue with Windows, a lot of people are unhappy, is that it share a lot of data with Microsoft, it's like you pay to get monitored. You can remove the telemetry to reduce the data that it collects, but that doesn't mean that you stop everything. This is the main reason why some people are looking for alternative. And now with copilot integrated into windows, you are feeding it data so that it can learn, AI training for free. But you are correct, all games work on Windows, and as it should, as all are made for Windows. Linux is not considered for games, as the market share is low, I think around 2-3%. A lot of competitive games are using kernel level antichest, which is dangerous. It's like leaving you house keys at the entrance, outside, anyone with knowledge to where you put them will have access to your house. And kernel level anticheats are not working, as we still have cheaters in games that employ it.
It still is, and it will be dor some time, at least dor Nvidia GPUs. The majority of the games are mase foe Windows and in order to olay them in linux you need a "translation layer"
@@lordhellriser1 Sisi mucho "capitan obvio" Pero cuanta gente en redes sociales o foros escribiendo que las distros de Linux se folla en rendimiento a Windows 11, que siempre saca más rendimiento y que va mejor, ya se ve ya. Incluso Windows 11 con muchisimos más procesos en segundo plano e infinidad de Bloatware es capaz de sacar más FPS en casi todos los juegos y con diferencia. No digo que las distros de linux sean una mierda que no sirve de nada, decir que linux es increible para jugar... nada más lejos de la realidad, si quieres el mejor rendimiento y tener los ultimos "features" si o si tienes que estar en Windows 11... A poco que tengas un PC gama media actual de unos 700-800€ no tiene ningún sentido usar las distros de Linux si tu PC es para jugar videojuegos, perderás rendimiento, perderás features, stuttering y muchos más problemas que tienes por usar una distro de linux. Obviamente Windows 11 no es perfecto ni muchísimo menos, pero lo que viene siendo gaming tendrás muchos menos bugs, obviamente mejor rendimiento y todos los programas drivers etc van dirigidos a ese S.O. Por suerte o por desgracia nos toca jodernos con Windows 11
@@casuallygamin9 even if you use AMD it's still better on windows. Cuz linux doesn't support andrenaline software so you can't enable driver level frame gen there
@@axandraalex5869 if you sue that, yes. In my opinion for that o be viable option, you need to be above 80 FPS, so you don't have dips below 60. That is not an option for most FPS games, and for people that play FPS in general, as the input lag can be noticeable. This is why I don't feature frame gen in any of my tests
Can you include Porteux Linux in your testing? I mean Porteux, not Porteus. It would be interesting to see the results compared to CachyOS and maybe Clear Linux for Intel CPUs. In future videos and tests, it might also be worth trying Clear Linux on an Intel CPU and perhaps a B580 Intel GPU. Clear Linux has optimizations specifically for Intel CPUs and GPUs. Additionally, CachyOS has excellent optimizations and tweaks that can significantly improve PC performance and gaming. Porteux Linux is also very fast and responsive. Some tests show it to be one of the fastest distributions, and it definitely has the fastest boot speed. I think we should give it a try for gaming to see how it performs. Thanks in advance!
Unfortunately, I don't have an Intel CPU. Keep in mind that hardware I use for testing is bought with my own money. For the time being, I don't plan to buy a intel cpu combo, as I lack the resources to invest in another platform.
Let me know in thew comment below your favorite distro...
Fedore WS and cachyos are my favorit
Haven't tried Cachy or Arch, but Pop and Nobara are pretty familiar and running Nobara 40 with KDE on two rigs, incl. my main gaming rig. It's pretty sweet.
I agree, I like Nobara, but I'm finding new love for CachyOS and EndeavorOS
Thank you for including CachyOS!
@gn-by2ve As a windows 9800X3D. CachyOS is the only Linux distro I've tried or have interest in.
CachyOS also includes their own Proton version in the gaming-meta package.
I will take a look, maybe I'll use that in the AMD comparison video
Thank You.
This video helps me a lot. I consider switching to Linux 2025 and this video is the perfect preperation.
My favorite distribution: I recently switched from Ubuntu after 8 years to Bazzite, which is a atomic fedora gaming distribution. Absolutely amazing concept of running linux
I heard about this one, I will give it a try down the road
Good content. If possible then pls do a video like this but with an AMD gpu
Yes, one with the 7900 XTX is in the pipeline, a bit more then 2 weeks from now.
@@casuallygamin9 Looking forward to it..... Feels like a big letdown with the Nvidia drivers in this video?
Actually not, it is an improvement. I do see minor improvements, so I think it's a step in the right direction. The issue is that yhis are baby steps.
@@casuallygamin9 very interesting! Thank you
I find it interesting that the 1% and 0,1% Low's are much higheron Linux in majority of games
@@stufflike5844 Linux sucks 😔😞
man, you should change the video title to include the name of the CPU
9800x3D
Your video views will blow up in no time
Also add "9800x3D" on the Thumbnail
Ok, will do that, thanks for the tip
Would be interesting to see the same test done on an AMD GPU.
I plan to do that by using the 7900 XTX, expect a video sometime before Christmas,
you should definitly try out game-performance, closed vs open sourced nvidia driver and proton-cachy. This is what makes cachyos special compared to others.
For the 7900 XTX comparison, I'm testing with the performance meta that CachyOS has and I will see how it compares to Nobara 40, Windows 11 and a non gaming distro like PopOS
@@casuallygamin9 sounds good, you might also try out the closed source nvidia driver. Results in better performance for some games and I think DLSS too(?)
In this video I used the Nvidia proprietary drivers, not the open source one
@@lleskipopen source drivers isn't worth the hassle. It's just worse on every way
@@ThePhenoix504FI3D1 changing between open and close source driver is actually pretty easy on cachy atleast. But yes closed source is most of the time better.
This is very well done .. .thank you very much ... that must have been a lot of work
It took about a week
OMG!!! this is amazing! exactly what i wanted. Sorry if its a lot of work, but after a dozen of these types of videos we should see if there is a winner amongst linux distros or same same. Boo for Win. Your amazing for doing this. keep up the great work!
the framerate might be lower, but I like how stable are %x on linux, game must not feel stuttery in comparison to windows. Could you make a video comparing games that have native linux support so that it won't be bottlenecked by traspiling process?
Thanks for the comparison, I can imagine how long it took to do it
Around a week, including making the video
To who's distro? At 0:03
"In this video I'll be comparing Windows 11 to Felix Distros" is what I hear....
"Three linux distros"
Would it be possible for you to include some DX11 or under games in future? I know most demanding games are DX12 but be nice to see how Nvidia holds up with DXVK, its nearly perfect on AMD
Well, next video will be with the 7900 XTX, as I have a backlog of videos to do. I will include as well DX11 games in my next Nvidia comparison, but this will be in a video for 2025
@@casuallygamin9 Thats great to hear, I'm hoping that the VKD3D performance is closer come 5000 series, would be nice not having to be on Windows while using a Nvidia GPU
On the KDE distros, did you use Wayland or X11? Great video btw, this let me know a lot of things I've wanted to find out but didn't know how yet. Keep it up! I hope you keep doing Nvidia and AMD, keeping up to date with the progress that Nvidia has been doing is always interesting
Wayland on both Nobara 40 and CachyOS. I will keep checking this as I do use Linux as a daily driver. I will release a 7900 XTX comparison in about 2 weeks.
@@casuallygamin9 Which Nvidia Driver ? With the 565 Wayland seems to be at X11 at least on average performance. (since explicit synch is now there). But still seeing framespikes in some Benchmarks with Wayland. I currently dont have Windows installed, but a retest with KDE in X11, with compositing disabled would be really interesting.
At least that is how i get the most out of my 2080.
This is why I ised Pop!_OS, it uses X11 not Wayland, performance are close, but may vary by generation, I don't have any another Mvidia GPU to test :(
@@casuallygamin9 Well those Multiple Game Benchmarks are rare, especially If you want to see recent ones. So thank you for those.
Pop!_OS is by default using Cosmic Desktop as far as I know.
From Benchmarks in the past what often could be seen was KDE > Gnome.
Where Cosmic Desktop ranges there, I have no Idea.
The Graphics driver of Nvidia also plays a huge role, especially in Wayland. Any Driver Version
Will you make benches more focused on CPU testing between windows and linux ? There are games heavily CPU dependant like, say, satisfactory with a big factory and it would be interesting to see if there are differences between windows when the CPU is the limiting factor
One good example is Age of Mythology. This is why CachyOS is winning. I mentioned this in the video. Linux will do better then Windows. I will try to do a video in the future, that will focus on this.
satisfactory is gonna work on nobara or cachy perfectly fine. BUT, you will see lower performance just like any other game. this varies from 10 to 30% lower fps.
Great Video! Thank you very much!
It's a shame, that Nvidia is not fully up there on Linux yet, but it got so much better.
Btw, I can't wait for the AMD Test
Linux is getting there.... like it almost had it, need few more hundred years 🤣
Linux is pretty amazing already, considering it gives a viable option to still game without putting up with all Microsoft's crap. It's not for everyone, but then neither is Windows 11.
My favorite distro is Fedora, and has been for > a decade. I have used Nobara for the past year for gaming, which makes it easier to ignore the surrounding noise.
I didn't give vanilla Fedora a shot, I like Nobara a lot, this after 4 years on Ubuntu. Starting to like EndeavorOS as well.
@@casuallygamin9 It might be worth a shot, but honestly I think Nobara is the better out of the box implementation. It is a Red Hat employee running Nobara so I don't expect Fedora to do better in this niche.
After testing so many ditros for gaming, I ca safely say that if you like a distro, stick with that one, as there is minimal performance difference, at least when using a Nvidia GPU.
Gaming in Linux would probably have much more prominence if we didn't have those cancerous kernel level rootkits they call "anti cheat" for the biggest multiplayer games (League of Legends, Roblox, GTA V, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Valorant, etc).
Yes, I believe this is having a toll on people considering Linux for gaming.
Better performance than this is a bigger issue for me. I'm not throwing the performance of my 4090 down the toilet for Linux.
Gaming on linux would have far more prominence if there was feature parity with windows, and not a large amount of hardware specific shenanigans and oftentimes complicated setup of basic things.
the real issue of linux is two fold. it's not user friendly and even distros aimed at being user friendly can have some very unfriendly issues especially for people unfamiliar and 2. hardware issues with nvidia/hdmI with how common they are in setups is going to hold things back
@@V1CT1MIZED The only reason to move to Linux is if you're unhappy with Windows and the way Microsoft is taking it.
it's great to see that you know your arounds of linux after many tests. unfortunately nvidia still lacks performance on linux with proprietary drivers.
Looking forward for AMD testing since i'm planning to switch to AMD to game on linux.
Expect the video before Christmas
can you test It with amd too?
Yes, I will do one in a couple of weeks
Are you also having the same issue with 9800x3d 's core clock not showing on msi afterburner? What's causing that?
Yes, it's because it hasn't been updated dor some time, and it doesn't know how to read the sensor. Hopefully, an update will be released soon.
@@casuallygamin9 OHhh I didn't it has been updated since forever.
Yea that is why we don't have core clocks reading, or any other readings available for the 9000 series from AMD.
for nvivdia and 8gb ram,In your opinion what is the best distro for light gaming and everyday? I'm just getting into linux
Most ditros will provide the same performance. I would say Nobara as you don't have to configure anything for gaming, it has everything set up from the get go. With that said, most will provide more or less the same experience, you will just need to figure some stuff on your own.
Cacho os are good for beginners? I ser have Good score
It is good, but you will need to install everything for gaming like Steam and Lutris
To be fair it isn’t hard to install those applications on Linux
Yes, it's quite easy. But there are distros, like Nobara that have everything set up for gaming. For CachyOS, you just need to use pacman to install everything, which is easy to use
I was thinking of getting a used 3070 as an upgrade for my vega 56, now this is making me rethink my decision. Probably should get a 6700xt instead. Besides, rt isn't ready for linux yet
Yes, unfortunately on Nvidia hardware, you are losing some performance on Linux. Amd is the safest bet, if you are not dual booting. With that said, Nvidia GPUs are improving, and the performance difference between Windows and Linux is shrinking, but not as fast as all would want.
Thanks!
not bad, Linux is catching up
Nvidia is catching up on Linux you mean. 😆
Did you use the CachyOS gaming meta, & use the Steam (Native) with proton-cachyos & the launch options "__GL_SHADER_DISK_CACHE_SKIP_CLEANUP=1 game-performance %command%" ? Results don't seem too right to me in certain games I defo get better performance than Windows occasionally*.
No I didn't, but I highly doubt that this will bring parity with Windows when using Nvidia GPUs.
What do you mean by Steam native?
@@casuallygamin9 uhm steam (native) comes up in the start menu when you install the cachyos gaming meta package (not the arch one, the cachy one), and its got better performance, youre supposed to use it alongside the launch options i mentioned according to the cachy wiki. & yah, its not as good as windows on nvidia but it definitely can be in certain games for me. amd wise ive seen video benchmarks 15+ more fps than windows in certain games on amds side tho. you could try the first descendent or helldivers 2 if you do an amd video with the cachy gaming meta and all the launch options because im not convinced what ive seen in other videos is even real on amds end its too good to be true.
Well with AMD GPUs Linux is trading blow regardless of distro, the next video will be about Windows vs Linux using the 7900 XTX
@@casuallygamin9 badass ill tune in for that my curiousity is there for sure
Is Ray tracing performance generally a problem on linux?
As you could see in the video, yes, it is, but it's only a matter of time until it's fixed.
You have to understand that gaming in Linux needs an extra layer, a translation layer, like Wine or Proton to run Windows games. At the moment, there is a performance penalty on both Nvidia and AMD ( for AMD GPUs, I only tested games with the open source driver).
@@casuallygamin9 i know there's a performance reduction for proton, but i was wondering if the performance decrease for linux becomes larger when enabling raytracing
Yes, a bit more then on Windows, but the gap is small
Good video thanks
Thank you
Imagine how good windows could be if it wasn't developed in eastern European/Indian sweatshops and Windows Desktop Shell was separate from the NT kernel.
Maybe you are correct. Another point would be imagine if Windows will have all the bloatware optional, it would not collect so much data to train their AI. I truly think Windows would be much better without so many feature, remember the days of Windows 7
@casuallygamin9 I too hope for kiosk like mode where my PC can run services like network attached storage, containers with apps like rorrent, radarr, sonarr, file downloaders and web scrapers.
And boot windows desktop environment on demand from the some management interface.
I think both of us are dreaming, or maybe wishful thinking
Would also be really cool if you where to try this with X4 seeing as X4 is also more CPU dependant.
Or even beter Space Engineers! (which is also very CPU dependant) plus Space Engineers would be a challenge to get it to work properly on Linux atleast as far as i understand.
Are these CPU intensive? I never heard of these games to be honest
@@casuallygamin9 Very much so yes, or atleast CPU very dependant.
But to get them to that point, with X4 it takes time and requires you build your empire.
And with space engineers you "can" build everything up slowly in survival, but you can also just smash together a whole lot of grids. And see how the CPU handles all the collissions.
I can't promise anything, but I don't think I have time to build an empire. I will have a look, be sure of that.
@@casuallygamin9 No worries, I think for benchmarking or something Space Engineers is beter, seeing as you can just use creative mode or something.
Can you include Porteux Linux in your testing? I mean Porteux, not Porteus. It would be interesting to see the results compared to CachyOS and maybe Clear Linux for Intel CPUs. In future videos and tests, it might also be worth trying Clear Linux on an Intel CPU and perhaps a B580 Intel GPU. Clear Linux has optimizations specifically for Intel CPUs and GPUs.
Additionally, CachyOS has excellent optimizations and tweaks that can significantly improve PC performance and gaming. Porteux Linux is also very fast and responsive. Some tests show it to be one of the fastest distributions, and it definitely has the fastest boot speed. I think we should give it a try for gaming to see how it performs.
Thanks in advance!
I did test CachyOS with their haming meta package in the 7900 XTX comparison. To be honest, I didn't hear about those distros, but I have a B580 GPU that I'm testing in EndeavourOS, and it's bad. It has kernel version 6.12, so it knows the GPU as it has drivers for it. I get a lot of graphics glitches and it's kindaof unable right now, at least until 6.13 will be out. I'll do a ASRock B580 Challenger OC video, as I wanted to compare Windows vs Linux, but I would have to cherry pick games that work, and I don't want to do that
Could you try using dx11 in silent hill? It should increase performance.Also could you try using something like arch?
CachyOS is an arch based distro, it should perform the same.
In Space marine 2 and wukong im actually getting more fps on CachyOS than win11. 5800x3d and 6800xt
Yes, on AMD GPUs that is normal, Linix trades blow with Windows
How much fps? I have an RX 7800XT.
Wukong, 1440p high settings. Win11 AVG 81, 1% low 73, 0.1 low 69
CachyOS AVG 85, 1% low 77, 0.1 low 74
Not much
The difference are small. You will not lose performance in most games. In a few you will get a gew more. I would say that Linux performs close to Windows in most modern games
@@casuallygamin9 I have previously used Linux Mint and had some stuttering problems compared to W11 playing Death Stranding. I have an i7 11700F and a RX 7800XT with 32GB of RAM.
Still the most problematic were the audio problems as I have a blue yeti and the OS detects it as Duplex which crashes PipeWire.
Why no ProtonGE?
Everyone should know to use ProtonGE with new games and basic Proton for old games.
Proton experimental is quiet new, with the latest patches avialable, I'm not sure what makes you think that this will not be good for newer games.
@casuallygamin9 It was my understanding that ProtonGE had other tweaks and patches not found in any version provided by Valve.
There are minor differences. I tested and there is no performance difference. Sometimes I saw 1-2 FPS more in favor of Proton-GE, sometimes Proton was in the advantage. If there is a performance difference, is meaningless. Glorious Eggroll just adds some minor tweeks to Proton and release it as Proton-GE. Either way, all 3 distros were using the same Proton-Experiemental, and the difference would have been the same even when compared to Windows.
Counter strike 2, GTAV, Minecraft, Stalker 2 perhaps?
Stalker 2 will be on the AMD comparison
This is not a fair comparison these are all DX12 games. To truly compare performance you should focus on vulkan games or at least at dx11
Why should I focus on only those games. Are you playing only dx11 or vulkan games? This is the criteria that you use for playing games? In tis video I'm showing the difference in modern games, as most who are looking to move from Windows to Linux are interested in the performance difference in the todays games.
@@casuallygamin9 most modern games suck these days, and not everyone is going to play those games, you should get add some games like god of war rdr2 etc in these vids. Wayland also can apparently cause a performance loss in nvidia drivers, anyway great video.
I can understand that people play other games, but looking back it's harder to decided on which game to future in these benchmarks. It's a lot easier to test newer games, then selecting games from the past, for instance, starting from 5 years ago till today.
I dont think CachyOS is reporting the correct 1% and 0.1% lows. I've never seen any hardware or software combination have the exact same number for both in basically all games.
It does the same on EndeavorOS. I think it's correct, but I don't know of any other tool that can validate my claim.
whould love to see intel arc
I will purchase one, I'm waiting to see if they will release a replacement for the a770
@@casuallygamin9 cool will wait for it
The video should be up on Sunday
@@casuallygamin9 really excited for it
try PIKAOS vs Fedora Ws vs BAZZITE OS in the next video compare them whit this :)
In the next Linux comparison I'll switch to amthe 7900 XTX, I have a lot of testing to do with this GPU, a lot of distros. I will try to cover this in a later video, but for sure it's not gonna be this year.
In the case for Nvidia GPUs the performance is lacking on Linux. Simply said the Linux drivers are still awful. In the the case of AMD on the other hand, the performance doesnt drop much if at all on Linux. Usually on native games it actually performs even better, but also some Wine/Proton titles benefit on Linux. I compared a few games on my RX 7900 GRE. I switched from Windows 10 to CachyOS and I dont see a way of going back. The only thing I am missing is the AMD Adrenalin software but thats a loss I can live with.
"I switched from Windows 10 to CachyOS"
A man of culture, I see. Welcome to, simply put, my best distro experience since using Linux.
It seems Linux has made some massive leaps in recent times and will only get better. I'm considering switching due to copilot, bloat, adware and spyware on windows. I see some comments about CashyOS in here.
On Nvidia hardware you are losing some performance, on AMD GPUs you are on par more or less, but you lose performance again with RT, bit this with open source drivers
@casuallygamin9 I'm just testing out cachyOS with heroic launcher. I'm using the cachyOS optimized proton and have an AMD GPU. So far so good I must say.
Glad you like it
7900xt on nobara performs better than all of these lol
Popos is not gaming distro, its laptop distro, surely bazzite would fit better in this comparison
It does OK, to be honest I never tried Bazzite
So.... UE5 games run badly through proton?
That's my takeaway
On Nvidia GPUs, I'm editing the 7900 XTX video as we speak
CachyOS is amazing
It is a good distro
@casuallygamin9 Thanks for replying
It just set up amd gpu for my laptop without any hassle
I tried nobara too it did setup the gpu but keep on glitching and getting due to an unknown reason
For my old laptop cachy is one of the few gnome based distros that aren't glitching and work without any issue at all
this is also what i experienced so far. linux gaming is ,,okay", but far from what windows can do. we are getting there, valve is doing big work :)
The community and Valve
nvidia drivers suck, on AMD it is a lot better
that's why linus torvalds hate nvidia
I suppose, but doesn't he hates many?
never he did, and that bird he flipped is from the old days.
test windows 10 like a normal person would
Unfortunately Win 10 doesn't include the latest patches for AMD, or does it nowdays. I did compare it soem time ago, and it was a bit slower then Win11 with the 24h2 tweeks.
Windows crushes again. I don't see why people seriously use Linux as a primary gaming OS. If you can afford a high end gaming PC and a library of games, you can get a Windows license.
It's not just performance either. Windows has full access to all competitive multiplayer games. You can also go out and buy any gaming mouse, keyboard, etc, and configure and update it.
The issue with Windows, a lot of people are unhappy, is that it share a lot of data with Microsoft, it's like you pay to get monitored. You can remove the telemetry to reduce the data that it collects, but that doesn't mean that you stop everything. This is the main reason why some people are looking for alternative. And now with copilot integrated into windows, you are feeding it data so that it can learn, AI training for free. But you are correct, all games work on Windows, and as it should, as all are made for Windows. Linux is not considered for games, as the market share is low, I think around 2-3%. A lot of competitive games are using kernel level antichest, which is dangerous. It's like leaving you house keys at the entrance, outside, anyone with knowledge to where you put them will have access to your house. And kernel level anticheats are not working, as we still have cheaters in games that employ it.
linux users dont know how to tweak Windows but somehow they know how to use terminal
AMD >>>> Nvidia on Linux
I'm editing the video, as we speak, were I use the 7900 XTX
super excited to see that one, thanks for all your hard work!
Editing as we speak. I think I will have it by Tuesday the latest
all time windows the best
It still is, and it will be dor some time, at least dor Nvidia GPUs. The majority of the games are mase foe Windows and in order to olay them in linux you need a "translation layer"
@@mansourimohamedlamine capitan obvio
@@lordhellriser1 Sisi mucho "capitan obvio" Pero cuanta gente en redes sociales o foros escribiendo que las distros de Linux se folla en rendimiento a Windows 11, que siempre saca más rendimiento y que va mejor, ya se ve ya. Incluso Windows 11 con muchisimos más procesos en segundo plano e infinidad de Bloatware es capaz de sacar más FPS en casi todos los juegos y con diferencia.
No digo que las distros de linux sean una mierda que no sirve de nada, decir que linux es increible para jugar... nada más lejos de la realidad, si quieres el mejor rendimiento y tener los ultimos "features" si o si tienes que estar en Windows 11... A poco que tengas un PC gama media actual de unos 700-800€ no tiene ningún sentido usar las distros de Linux si tu PC es para jugar videojuegos, perderás rendimiento, perderás features, stuttering y muchos más problemas que tienes por usar una distro de linux. Obviamente Windows 11 no es perfecto ni muchísimo menos, pero lo que viene siendo gaming tendrás muchos menos bugs, obviamente mejor rendimiento y todos los programas drivers etc van dirigidos a ese S.O. Por suerte o por desgracia nos toca jodernos con Windows 11
@@casuallygamin9 even if you use AMD it's still better on windows. Cuz linux doesn't support andrenaline software so you can't enable driver level frame gen there
@@axandraalex5869 if you sue that, yes. In my opinion for that o be viable option, you need to be above 80 FPS, so you don't have dips below 60. That is not an option for most FPS games, and for people that play FPS in general, as the input lag can be noticeable. This is why I don't feature frame gen in any of my tests
Linux fake os 🤣 for poor people 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can you include Porteux Linux in your testing? I mean Porteux, not Porteus. It would be interesting to see the results compared to CachyOS and maybe Clear Linux for Intel CPUs. In future videos and tests, it might also be worth trying Clear Linux on an Intel CPU and perhaps a B580 Intel GPU. Clear Linux has optimizations specifically for Intel CPUs and GPUs.
Additionally, CachyOS has excellent optimizations and tweaks that can significantly improve PC performance and gaming. Porteux Linux is also very fast and responsive. Some tests show it to be one of the fastest distributions, and it definitely has the fastest boot speed. I think we should give it a try for gaming to see how it performs.
Thanks in advance!
Unfortunately, I don't have an Intel CPU. Keep in mind that hardware I use for testing is bought with my own money. For the time being, I don't plan to buy a intel cpu combo, as I lack the resources to invest in another platform.