#How to resyncing: 1. When someone desyncs they leaves. 2. The host pauses and makes a full save. 3. They join again. 4. Start playing again. This should do that no simulating is needed. #Know-issues • Most debug tools are fine, map altering can cause issues still. • Neuroquake currently desyncs. • Clients can not interact with monuments as it causes a desync, host must paint them manually. • Converting to SP will cause irreversible ID errors, only convert if you never want to host that game in MP again. (FIXED IN 1.3) • Pawns refusing to sleep. (Can be fixed by anaesthetising them) • Aerial assault quest gets stuck on map. (Do not accept these quests) (FIXED IN 1.3) • Settling on a raided/abandoned tile desyncs. (Don't do that) • Game freezing like time has stopped. (This can be reduced by enabling pause on autosave option) • Free-Sync/G-Sync cause tick related issues. (Disable these for Rimworld) • Pawns don't always have the same name across clients. (Purely visual, safe to ignore) The monument one was probably the reason for the desyncs in this episode.
Even in the fucking Thor myth that involved him getting tricked into fighting Jormungander, he lost. He couldn't successfully lift the serpent. He definitely didn't dismiss it as not worth fighting.
There is a nice bit of older space wolf lore going about where space wolf stories are actually all wrong, seeing as nid like monsters didn't exist on fenris when Russ was about, showing it's actually....probably bullshit.
I think the best way to look at it is that all lore is written from the perspective of a over-zealous scribe. Even putting on a T-shirt can sound impressive when twisted through the hands of a litterate peon who both thinks you're the greatest person ever and knows that even a modicum of criticism will get them killed or worse.
@@andrewstepanek8933 i would point out there are multiple examples of Thor and the Serpent coming into conflict. at the Lifting of the Cat in his challenges by the wizard jotun king he did successfully lift one of its paws of the ground which had caused a panic among the watching jotun cuz if he managed to fully lift it he would've broken reality and the realms. another is the other story where they clash. Thor goes fishing for the beast with an Ox's head and is hauling the World Serpent out of the sea. he gets it's head out of the water when Hymir, the jotun whose boat he was using (the gods wanted his massive iron cauldron for a party they were having with some other jotun so Thor went to get it, ate 2 Oxen when he arrived and Hymir said they would have to fish tomorrow for food, hence the trip) was terrified and cut the fishing line JUST as Thor was about to haul the beast out and smash its head with Mjolnir. i think its safe to say the 2 are meant to be evenly matched in strength and the deciding factor was whether or not the Jormungdandr was biting his own tail to hold himself in place. when trying to 'lift the cat' it was, and when fishing it wasn't. heck the part of the fishing story i always found amusing was, forget Thor and Jormungandr, that damn *BOAT* AND *FISHING LINE* was holding the pulling force of both of them and staying afloat and not snapping, but being frail enough to be cut ^^. the 2 knew they were fated to clash in Ragnarok and when they did Thor kills Jormungandr, so you could say he was stronger, but then the takes 3 steps and dies from its poison so was he stronger if the poison does count.
@@WestOfEarth Aren't most mods up-to-date with royalty now? The only big one I can think of which isn't is psychology, and that one has fan-made updates that are maintained.
Oh no I’m an Ork! :/ (Scoliosis) Actually never an army I wanted to play, but I did age of sigmar with a friend the other day and he lent me some Orruks(?). Was surprisingly enjoyable RPing some of the stupid charges, one charge only meant to pin a unit ended up nearly annihilating it.
TLDR: Your Warhammer news segment is fair use, that is rock solid, GW cannot do anything about you making a show commenting on developments in Warhammer. What GW might try to do is coopt existing shows like yours or cultivate their own influencers with special access and signal boosting to try to keep everyone on-message. Your reaction to and commentary on Warhammer news and content constitute a transformative work, which you are distributing for informational purposes, like the news. Gameplay is much more of a gray area in legal terms, most legal scholars think that if this matter did appear before US copyright law courts, gameplay itself is considered transformative, but no real caselaw on this matter in the US exists yet. So far, aside from Nintendo most games companies have not tried to challenge this, and I think Nintendo is not as interested in the revenue so much as controlling the kid friendly "disney" nature of their brand, and that's how they would probably argue it in court (rather than the claim that the gameplay itself is infringing on their copyright). In theory GW might be able to go after things that actually use their IP like TTS, but it would be PR suicide. The smarter strategy would be to start hiring influencers or coopting the existing shows and more carefully managing the messaging and content of those shows to align with their brand. They can't silence you, but they are a big company, they can certainly be louder than you if they try.
If I'm not mistaken TTS DID receive a cease and desist. As someone on the Reddit pointed out, it doesn't really matter if the suite is viable in court or not. GW has the money to draw out a case long enough that a smaller content creator simply cannot afford to maintain it anymore. The fact that this is on TH-cam doesn't help matters as YT has clearly shown it doesn't give a rat's ass about protecting its creators. I don't think they'll come after things like Tom and Ben's Warhammer news, but if they chose to, it's unlikely T&B, or the Yogscast as a whole, would have the resources to realistically contest that. In reality, they probably won't come after many people at all, but the fact that they MIGHT is enough to scare most people into closing up shop or changing their content prematurely. The more people that do that, the fewer targets they'd actually have to enforce their ban on and the easier it would be to do so. It's very much still a possibility, though I hope it doesn't come to that. As for being a PR suicide, well...this is the company that famously boasted they don't ever do market research. Honestly, I only follow GW loosely and I still have no idea why people still buy from them. It seems like everything they do is a slap in the face to their fanbase and it seems like it's been this way for well over two decades.
Seems like about two people donate every stream to tell B&T that they just started buying & painting minis because of them. Only a foolish king kills the most popular jester. ... but it is GW
@@RubelliteFae Yeah I agree, I think it GW should allow fan works based on their own ethics, they have actively encouraged the community to get creative with their IP. If it wasn't for people messing with it, I don't think 40k would be nearly as compelling or popular. That said, I think the issue in a legal sense has more to do with setting their story in-universe. The Orville is a clear parody of Star Trek, the ideas taken from it are protected by fair use, but they don't run around in the star trek universe, they had to create a facsimile of it. The most I have ever seen anyone push US parody law is the "dumb starbucks" incident, while starbucks never sued, a lot of ink was spilled on whether this was protected speech under parody law. The main thing the courts are concerned with is whether a regular person could confuse the parody content with the brand being lampooned.
Funny they don't remember their Lore/Your Hammer things partially. I think they should remix it and ask each other the old ones, so basically Ben presents Tom with one Yourhammer and one Lorehammer that Tom came up and see if he can figure out the truth from his own lies. xD
Watching tom and Ben play RimWorld is simultaneously the best thing and the worst thing. I love RimWorld, and I'm no master myself, but watching other people play it makes me so angry. I wish I could play multiplayer. Sadly, I don't have any fellow war criminals as friends.
This is my first Rimworld. Looks like a top-down Oxygen not Included whose graphics were all made by the programmer, AWESOME! Too bad it's $35 😲 (I never pay over $20, hopefully Winter Sale?)
Can someone explain why people still buy from GW? Like...no sarcasm, no snark. I genuinely don't understand. I don't think I've EVER heard anyone say anything positive about their policies, game mechanics, pricing, or anything. The closest I've ever heard were along the lines of "good quality models, but it's a shame they're so much more expensive than they should be". Other than the models themselves, I don't think I've ever heard even faint praise for them. They're not the only wargaming company on the market. They're not even the only producers of models that work with their OWN games. So...genuinely, why do they have such a borderline monopoly on the hobby? I should clarify my only exposure to this hobby and the market is basically through Tom and Ben. I don't play the tabletop games, though I'd like to (but probably not Warhammer or 40K), I don't buy the models, or anything. So, I admit maybe there's something here that just eludes me.
Tabletop gaming is very largely dependent on what everyone around you plays. If nobody in your area plays X-Wing, it's unlikely you'll be collecting X-Wing. And seeing as Warhammer has always been one of the most popular wargames, especially in the UK, it constantly maintains a fanbase, because people who want to get into wargaming will play the one that everyone else is playing, and the people already playing it are doing that because everyone before them was playing it, and so on.
1st break ends: 1:41:47
2nd break ends: 3:02:51
I don't play Warhammer or Rimworld, but Tom and Ben chatting about/playing them is totally in my wheelhouse.
Tom not clearing his warnings/notifications is causing me immense amounts of pain, 10/10 exactly what I expect from this stream
I was thinking the exact same thing but then I realized, clearing notifications? THAT'S BEN WORK
3:57:33 for Star Trek talk
#How to resyncing:
1. When someone desyncs they leaves.
2. The host pauses and makes a full save.
3. They join again.
4. Start playing again.
This should do that no simulating is needed.
#Know-issues
• Most debug tools are fine, map altering can cause issues still.
• Neuroquake currently desyncs.
• Clients can not interact with monuments as it causes a desync, host must paint them manually.
• Converting to SP will cause irreversible ID errors, only convert if you never want to host that game in MP again. (FIXED IN 1.3)
• Pawns refusing to sleep. (Can be fixed by anaesthetising them)
• Aerial assault quest gets stuck on map. (Do not accept these quests) (FIXED IN 1.3)
• Settling on a raided/abandoned tile desyncs. (Don't do that)
• Game freezing like time has stopped.
(This can be reduced by enabling pause on autosave option)
• Free-Sync/G-Sync cause tick related issues.
(Disable these for Rimworld)
• Pawns don't always have the same name across clients.
(Purely visual, safe to ignore)
The monument one was probably the reason for the desyncs in this episode.
so fast!! Weekend vodgoblinning is a go!
I’ll always enjoy watching these. I hate I can’t ever catch them live
as both a trekkie and a rimworld fan this stream is very enjoyable and also a nightmare. good work boys
The Ben and Tom dilemma right there.
Yay rimworld! Never get enough- perfect for studying
Great stream as always! I chortled when every 5 minutes Ben realized that Tom had accidentally stolen some vital resource.
3:30 man, DC is going to have a hell of a time CGing off Henry Cavill's facial hair this time.
Love these variety streams so much. Would really like to see more
Hey those are my Genestealer Cultist Krieg guys, thanks for your comments :D
I was expecting the amazing gamer that beat ben to be his son
Holy smokes more Rimworld! Christmas must've come early!
You lads are doing great work shining the light on australias isolation tax we keep getting lumped with
Being the one who donated to tell Ben about the Dubs Minimap magnifying glass, I'm glad he remembered it.
1:18:22 i accidentally pulled my headphone cable out without realizing it; I thought they were just silently looking at the map wondering where to go.
I feel like there's a lot of Mary Sue's in Warhammer, but that Leman Russ story actually hurt me.
Even in the fucking Thor myth that involved him getting tricked into fighting Jormungander, he lost. He couldn't successfully lift the serpent. He definitely didn't dismiss it as not worth fighting.
There is a nice bit of older space wolf lore going about where space wolf stories are actually all wrong, seeing as nid like monsters didn't exist on fenris when Russ was about, showing it's actually....probably bullshit.
WH40K is nothing BUT Mary Sue's from what I've heard. I'm no expert, though.
I think the best way to look at it is that all lore is written from the perspective of a over-zealous scribe. Even putting on a T-shirt can sound impressive when twisted through the hands of a litterate peon who both thinks you're the greatest person ever and knows that even a modicum of criticism will get them killed or worse.
@@andrewstepanek8933 i would point out there are multiple examples of Thor and the Serpent coming into conflict. at the Lifting of the Cat in his challenges by the wizard jotun king he did successfully lift one of its paws of the ground which had caused a panic among the watching jotun cuz if he managed to fully lift it he would've broken reality and the realms. another is the other story where they clash. Thor goes fishing for the beast with an Ox's head and is hauling the World Serpent out of the sea. he gets it's head out of the water when Hymir, the jotun whose boat he was using (the gods wanted his massive iron cauldron for a party they were having with some other jotun so Thor went to get it, ate 2 Oxen when he arrived and Hymir said they would have to fish tomorrow for food, hence the trip) was terrified and cut the fishing line JUST as Thor was about to haul the beast out and smash its head with Mjolnir. i think its safe to say the 2 are meant to be evenly matched in strength and the deciding factor was whether or not the Jormungdandr was biting his own tail to hold himself in place. when trying to 'lift the cat' it was, and when fishing it wasn't. heck the part of the fishing story i always found amusing was, forget Thor and Jormungandr, that damn *BOAT* AND *FISHING LINE* was holding the pulling force of both of them and staying afloat and not snapping, but being frail enough to be cut ^^. the 2 knew they were fated to clash in Ragnarok and when they did Thor kills Jormungandr, so you could say he was stronger, but then the takes 3 steps and dies from its poison so was he stronger if the poison does count.
54:45 WELCOME TO QUIZ TIME.
WITH TOM AND.... ben?
Love that Tom's obviously been binging the pitch meeting videos. Even more the fact that I've been binging them recently myself. XD
They are super easy to watch, barely an inconvenience
Why does Lydia have helmet hair in this vid? And when did she grow a beard?
1:23:23 - did they name that one person "sheriff poopy" and i didn't notice?
first break ends at 1:41:53
I love how much Ben has played this game yet he still knows so little
It's Rimworld: there's always more to learn and immediatly forget.
Rimworld starts at 1.15.30
It would be fun to see Tom and Ben play RW with the Save Our Ship 2 mod. Although I'm not sure if it works in multiplayer.
is it working with ideology? I might try it myself if so
@@whoviana I'm not sure. I haven't updated to Ideology yet. Heck, I'm still on Core, lol, cause I like my mod set ups.
@@WestOfEarth Aren't most mods up-to-date with royalty now? The only big one I can think of which isn't is psychology, and that one has fan-made updates that are maintained.
@@kamikazesopp you could be right, I haven't checked.
It's three weeks too late to be asking, but does anyone know their modlist?
Oh no I’m an Ork! :/ (Scoliosis)
Actually never an army I wanted to play, but I did age of sigmar with a friend the other day and he lent me some Orruks(?). Was surprisingly enjoyable RPing some of the stupid charges, one charge only meant to pin a unit ended up nearly annihilating it.
You don't need kibble to train
gw and bandai two companies known for charging ungodly amounts for plastic models
Y’all can do time stamps in this video to make viewing it much more enjoyable for those who don’t care about warhammer
Or just in general. But if they aren't going to edit out commercial breaks, you can be sure they aren't going to add named timestamps :/
I know that terrain. I played my first game on the same board. Is The Old Duke open for games again?
I thought they were being so genuine about the who the winner of the second game of 9th edition 40k
Ahh, so this is where Poopy's head ended up!
Tom! Ben! Rimworld!
1:47:14 - the question about werewolf kissing... there's a whole, online "furry" subculture where you may be able to do some research....
Not a culture. A disease.
Fucking fight me.
@@DummyThiccCheeseCake more like jowo jowo jesus
@@SpaceMissile ha
Heh heh, "Probably a month or two till it's out." Poor child!
Knobgoblins>Vodgoblins
You could easily make a Poohammer quiz
That Action Figure is $670 nzd which is $642 dollary doos, so 341 pounds... yay new zealand
name a more iconic duo
Sharky and Palp.
@@SH4D0W0733 I saw one comment and knew this would be it 🤣
It's funny seeing when they look at older toys they go "This is amazing" to new toys "This is shit". Classic Tom and Ben disliking new things.
Based and Grognardpilled
I think their opinions are fair most of the time. They also make a big point out of "Taste is subjective, like what you like". :P
@@kamikazesopp I think so too. The only one I've really disagreed with is when Ben talks about Star Wars generally.
@@TheLshadows Well, his Star Wars opinions are very easy to disagree with. xD
They’re old men, it has been a thing since time began
TLDR: Your Warhammer news segment is fair use, that is rock solid, GW cannot do anything about you making a show commenting on developments in Warhammer. What GW might try to do is coopt existing shows like yours or cultivate their own influencers with special access and signal boosting to try to keep everyone on-message.
Your reaction to and commentary on Warhammer news and content constitute a transformative work, which you are distributing for informational purposes, like the news. Gameplay is much more of a gray area in legal terms, most legal scholars think that if this matter did appear before US copyright law courts, gameplay itself is considered transformative, but no real caselaw on this matter in the US exists yet. So far, aside from Nintendo most games companies have not tried to challenge this, and I think Nintendo is not as interested in the revenue so much as controlling the kid friendly "disney" nature of their brand, and that's how they would probably argue it in court (rather than the claim that the gameplay itself is infringing on their copyright). In theory GW might be able to go after things that actually use their IP like TTS, but it would be PR suicide. The smarter strategy would be to start hiring influencers or coopting the existing shows and more carefully managing the messaging and content of those shows to align with their brand. They can't silence you, but they are a big company, they can certainly be louder than you if they try.
If I'm not mistaken TTS DID receive a cease and desist. As someone on the Reddit pointed out, it doesn't really matter if the suite is viable in court or not. GW has the money to draw out a case long enough that a smaller content creator simply cannot afford to maintain it anymore. The fact that this is on TH-cam doesn't help matters as YT has clearly shown it doesn't give a rat's ass about protecting its creators. I don't think they'll come after things like Tom and Ben's Warhammer news, but if they chose to, it's unlikely T&B, or the Yogscast as a whole, would have the resources to realistically contest that. In reality, they probably won't come after many people at all, but the fact that they MIGHT is enough to scare most people into closing up shop or changing their content prematurely. The more people that do that, the fewer targets they'd actually have to enforce their ban on and the easier it would be to do so. It's very much still a possibility, though I hope it doesn't come to that.
As for being a PR suicide, well...this is the company that famously boasted they don't ever do market research. Honestly, I only follow GW loosely and I still have no idea why people still buy from them. It seems like everything they do is a slap in the face to their fanbase and it seems like it's been this way for well over two decades.
@@weezact7 The Warhammer fans are a bit like Sonic fans at this point. They are fans *in spite* of the company making it.
Seems like about two people donate every stream to tell B&T that they just started buying & painting minis because of them. Only a foolish king kills the most popular jester.
... but it is GW
@@weezact7 Really shitty that legit parody can't use parody law because the courts are as socioeconomically broken as everything else is 💢
@@RubelliteFae Yeah I agree, I think it GW should allow fan works based on their own ethics, they have actively encouraged the community to get creative with their IP. If it wasn't for people messing with it, I don't think 40k would be nearly as compelling or popular. That said, I think the issue in a legal sense has more to do with setting their story in-universe. The Orville is a clear parody of Star Trek, the ideas taken from it are protected by fair use, but they don't run around in the star trek universe, they had to create a facsimile of it. The most I have ever seen anyone push US parody law is the "dumb starbucks" incident, while starbucks never sued, a lot of ink was spilled on whether this was protected speech under parody law. The main thing the courts are concerned with is whether a regular person could confuse the parody content with the brand being lampooned.
Funny they don't remember their Lore/Your Hammer things partially. I think they should remix it and ask each other the old ones, so basically Ben presents Tom with one Yourhammer and one Lorehammer that Tom came up and see if he can figure out the truth from his own lies. xD
Watching tom and Ben play RimWorld is simultaneously the best thing and the worst thing. I love RimWorld, and I'm no master myself, but watching other people play it makes me so angry.
I wish I could play multiplayer. Sadly, I don't have any fellow war criminals as friends.
Tis true, we Australians invoked the end times.
$550 figure....
well.. looks like my 3d printer is going to get a work out.
LOVE THESE GUYS!
now i wanna play rimworld lol
This is my first Rimworld. Looks like a top-down Oxygen not Included whose graphics were all made by the programmer, AWESOME!
Too bad it's $35 😲 (I never pay over $20, hopefully Winter Sale?)
Do it, it is most definitely worth it.
Warhammer streaming service? Yep that tracks.
Just an FYI: Stone cutting uses and requires no skills.
Great stream and content otherwise and I don't even play warhammer! :D
wooooow 😅
Warhammer? Tom & Ben? Rimworld??? whats that wet feeling in my pants?
I remember Tom's editing of TTT it was fantastic, and Ben joining in a Civ stream I think? Seems ages ago!
Has Tom recently watched every single Screen Rant or something?
You should use character editor instead of ebp prepare carefully.
Jeeze I started watching TNG before Tom and if I don't speed up he's going to be spoiling stuff for me soon. Time to netflix, I guess
Can someone explain why people still buy from GW? Like...no sarcasm, no snark. I genuinely don't understand. I don't think I've EVER heard anyone say anything positive about their policies, game mechanics, pricing, or anything. The closest I've ever heard were along the lines of "good quality models, but it's a shame they're so much more expensive than they should be". Other than the models themselves, I don't think I've ever heard even faint praise for them. They're not the only wargaming company on the market. They're not even the only producers of models that work with their OWN games. So...genuinely, why do they have such a borderline monopoly on the hobby?
I should clarify my only exposure to this hobby and the market is basically through Tom and Ben. I don't play the tabletop games, though I'd like to (but probably not Warhammer or 40K), I don't buy the models, or anything. So, I admit maybe there's something here that just eludes me.
Tabletop gaming is very largely dependent on what everyone around you plays. If nobody in your area plays X-Wing, it's unlikely you'll be collecting X-Wing. And seeing as Warhammer has always been one of the most popular wargames, especially in the UK, it constantly maintains a fanbase, because people who want to get into wargaming will play the one that everyone else is playing, and the people already playing it are doing that because everyone before them was playing it, and so on.
@@voodoominerman That makes sense. Sucks, though.
@@weezact7 Yup. GW is the racist granduncle in the wargaming world: Nobody likes him, but he's always invited.
GW is shit. The models are works of art. That's my justification.
I guess they couldnt handle dark souls and decided not to continue that lol
9th ed is meh, I like small maps, because less movement faf and more smashing of toys. still waiting for Warhammer 40k Alternate activation
As an Australian, We know what we did, but seriously this is why I can't warhammer anymore
550 dollarydoos is 293 pounds. They just love fucking reaming us/
Patreon doesn't have a ban on porn XD
I wonder who told them that
WH40K corn. Very disappointing. They could do better.
Play Dark Souls instead, do it cowards.
They already have, haven't they?
i did a typing accidentally deleted it, fuck you guys putting this in a 5 hour video, all your editors quit?