The Most Popular Train, Remastered
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, we will revisit the Metro North Railroad, and explain it.
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great video, but a couple of small corrrections:
- 4:12 during peak, its a lot more complicated, usually all-locals terminate at greystone, but during off peak, there are also (electric) semi-express trains that terminate at croton harmon
- 4:16 off peak expresses stop at tarrytown and ossining, morning reverse peaks also stop at marble hill and yonkers. some weekend and peak trains run express from peekskill and iirc one runs express from beacon
- 5:09 this is completely wrong, the wassaic expresses run express to white plains then make some (but not all) stops to southeast, before running local to wassaic. but also, the vast majority of wassaic service are wassaic-southeast shuttle trains
- 5:55 the new haven line super expresses can also go express to bridgeport, they're weird
- 7:23 wrong, ALL waterbury branch service are bridgeport-waterbury shuttle trains
- 7:44 "this insane U shape" is because in the 80s MNR moved the PJL out of the downtowns and onto the graham line which runs through the middle of nowhere because of orange county NIMBYs
- 8:12 the PJL system is kinda like the NHL, no rhyme or reason for which trains make which express stops
- 9:05 plus 2 expresses on weekends
also i feel like the 4 MNR flag stops should be highlighted but tbf they arent operationally significant
Also some Pascack Valley Line trains run express between New Bridge Landing and Secaucus during peak times
I was also thinking about a unified regional rail. If NY and NJ can't work together, at least they can combine LIRR and MNR, which is operated by the same agency.
I agree
would be nice to also unify it around OMNY and offer some train+subway/bus discounts (maybe $1 off subway tickets on peak hour commutes or something)
Hell no
@@newyorkrailfanner8058 any particular reason why not? I mean, through-running would create so much extra capacity in central NYC, no need for stub platforms that are occupied for more than 5', itineraries that wouldn't require as many changes... If Philly managed to do this, why can't the USA's most significant transit city? Northern NJ is already a NYC suburb, through-running would open up job markets in say White Plains to commuters from Jersey City and Newark, and vice versa. Long Islanders could get to Newark Airport, etc. It makes a lot of sense to me...
@@barvdw the name railfanner tells you all you need to know
I ran trains on all three lines for Metro North for over 20 years and I never heard of the “Park Avenue Main”. The Hudson line begins at milepost 0 in Grand Central Terminal and continues to just north of Poughkeepsie at CP 75.
The Harlem line splits off from the Hudson at milepost 5 at Mott Haven Junction.
I was looking at the thumbnail map and realized that running a light metro or regional rail line from the Port Jervis line over the Tappan Zee Bridge to the New Haven Line intercepting all Metro-North lines in New York State would be a game changer for all the metro north suburbs.
And concerning your Long Island railroad video, they are a couple of passenger trains a weekdayday that do go through Long Island city as a terminal.
Regardless, I love your videos so much!
I definitely like the idea of the connection of the Penn Station Access, LIRR Port Washington branch, eventually connecting to the NJT at Penn Station. I was hoping they’d plan to extend the IBX past Roosevelt Avenue up to 31st Avenue and branch off on a viaduct going left about 4 blocks to connect to the Amtrak/Penn Station Access branch where a station would be built. Then you could add the option of an easier connection eventually getting to Brooklyn. However, on the Penn Access right of way, there are only two tracks, and that would eventually be two trains occupying those tracks. So now, some type of expanded loop or flyover would have to be built on both sides on order for the Penn Access trains to serve this said station. It should be called something like Woodside-31st Avenue.
Metro-North/NJ Transit really needs to connect the Port Jervis line northward to Newburgh and perhaps even Stewart Airport. There are no West-of-the-Hudson passenger lines north of the Harriman Station, and it would be so much more convenient for passengers and commuters to be able to connect to train lines if they were more accessible to the communities of Newburgh, New Paltz, Kingston, Catskill, Albany, etc... rather than always having to cross the Hudson River to get on a train in Renssealer, Rhinebeck, or Poughkeepsie.
The Port Jervis trains only stop at Secaucus and Ramsey 17. The NJT trains mostly run to Suffern or Waldwick during peak hours.
I was wondering if Metro North is going to use Amtrak’s Track in Manhattan’s west side to go to Penn Station. Amtrak uses this track to go to Albany, NY.
Yeah, they're planning on running some Hudson Line trains down the Empire Corridor to Penn Station with an infill station at 125th Street and (I think) 66th Street, but the MTA is focused on Penn Station Access. So it will be a long while before the MTA even thinks of starting the planning stages.
@@j.t.5178 Thank you!😀
@@j.t.5178The Harlem line has no possible access to penn station but would greatly benefit from it especially with all the white plains commuters.
Technically a Harlem Train can use the Mott Haven Junction to go back up to Spuyten Duyvil if a connecting track was built from Track 1, but that's really convoluted. Or they can reactivate the Port Morris branch, but it's really tight, clearance is too low and would require demolition of a lot of buildings to connect to the Hell Gate Bridge. Or maybe connect a couple tracks from the upper level tracks to the lower level of GCT and then build a tunnel connecting to the Penn Station Tracks? But that might be prohibitively expensive considering the real estate.
@j.t.5178 I read that MN will use AMTRAK tracks over the Hells Gate Bridge using tracks on the eastern side of the Bronx, adding new stations in the Bronx. After going over the Hells Gate Bridge, the MN goes into Queens, then enters Manhattan using the AMTRAK tunnel into Penn Station.
*some New Haven line trains run express to Bridgeport or Stratford. Some run express from grand central terminal into south Norwalk and then onto the Danbury branch while using dual mode locomotives.
To all MNR RAILFANS, we will soon be getting the new SC64 Dual Mode locomotives to replace the p32 locomotives.
The Crestwood Station is a temporary terminus for Harlem Line trains mainly due to weekend work preventing half hourly service at NWP and is the busiest station to not have even one connecting transit service. The Hudson line has its northbound center track unelectrified making express service with diesels make sense there. The Waterbury branch does NOT see express service to GCT.
Man your transit channel is excellent! You explain things in a very easy & straight forward way for the common man to understand & no complicated legal jumbo stuff! Believe me when Penn Station Access opens up in the future,I'll definitely watch it when you talk about it & Metro North allows pet dogs on the train, which is cool! 🚆 Transportation & 🐕 Dogs for life!
Correction: New Haven Line was electrified about 1913. More recently Conn. DoT and the MTA (NYS) retrofitted the catenary for constant tension. This line is owned by Conn. DoT and the MTA, which maximizes it for Metro North use. It's part of the NEC, but Amtrak's needs are secondary to Metro North's.
I do not believe the New Haven line going from penn to Secaucus would ever happen.
New Jersey Transit had run some football trains from New Haven to Secaucus, but have been suspended. They purchased locomotives that could run on overhead, 3rd rail & diesel for this purpose. Riders would transfer at Secaucus to a loop of the Pascack Valley Line to the Meadowlands. There isn't much demand for trains from New Jersey to Long Island.
Great video, please make the next one njtransit
I like Yankees-E 153rd St. in the Concourse section and the Fordham-E 190th St. station. 😊
When will you make part 2 to what US transit can do with the military budget? And what region of the US will it be? The Midwest? Or will it be the South? Or what about the West?
We call the edge of the river its bank, not its coast. JSYK! 😀👍🏻
Metro North 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I thought Waterbury trains never ran to Grand Central, but maybe that’s outdated
Correction on the hudson line: only about half of express trains "skip all stops to croton harmon". Many make intermediate stops such as Marble Hill, Yonkers, Tarrytown and Ossining.
The Hudson River doesn't have a "coast," it has a shore.
Through running will NEVER happen. There’s incompatible power, there’s incompatible signals, and there’s competing labor unions. You’d wind up spending BILLIONS to benefit DOZENS. The textbook example of though-running, Philadelphia, doesn’t even through-run their trains as much as originally planned. Through-running benefits the operator, not the rider. There’s no guarantee of the train you want going to the branch on the other side, which would just mean changing trains in Penn, which you can do for free today. And then there’s the length. The so-called commutes would be horrendously long, and it would just be worth your while to move closer to your job than a 2 hour commute.
Most modern electrical trains are multi-current by default these days. If competing unions are an issue, you could agree on a change of staff in Manhattan, etc. Even if you don't drive all the way to the other terminus, which admittedly would make the relation very long and prone to delays, having more overlapping stations would reduce changes, and distribute those who still have to change over more stations, allowing perhaps same-platform changes where possible. It would increase capacity plentifold in the most built-up area in the USA without needing more scarce space.
I'm sorry, but all the issues you have expressed have been resolved for decades elsewhere, and the benefits would be enormous.
Correction: Trains that run along the Waterbury branch line do not run to or from Grand Central. Most Waterbury trains’ westernmost start or terminus is either Stamford or Bridgeport.
Just curious, are tracks on the Waterbury branch electrified or no?
@@calvinkendrick851 No, they’re not.
Bremen of the New Haven line will serve as a replacement for a connection point for Waterbury some point down the road
ooo a remaster hope this includes more abandoned branches
Very good video. I hope TSW team should reconsider the Harlem line, the entire route between Grand Central to Southeast (electric route) for real!
Their are a few things you missed that I think should have been mentioned:
1:20 some MNR rail cars and station are operated or at least partially operated by Connecticut DOT(I think)
4:14 Most express trains also stop at Ossining and Tarrytown
5:03 Most Wassaic trains are a shuttle between Wassaic and Southeast, only some rush hour trains do tho Grand Central
5:51 those trains don’t usually run outside of rush hour, their are Semi-Express trains on the New Haven Zone if that was what you were talking about
6:23 Some peak trains make more of less stops, most trains are a shuttle to/from Stamford
6:58 same mistakes with the New Canaan branch
7:17 All Waterbury branches are a shuttle to/from Bridgeport
8:54 a few more express trains run
most of the NHL lines I see tend to have the red CTDOT livery
I would also propose an Astoria Station in my proposed Throgs Neck Branch for the Long Island Railroad.
These should be the Stations on the Long Island Railroad’s Throgs Neck Branch:
🚉 Throgs Neck
🚉 Schuylerville
🚉 Morris Park
🚉 Van Nest
🚉 Westchester Avenue
🚉 Hunts Point
🚉 Port Morris
🚉 Randalls Island
🚉 Astoria
🚉 Woodside
Amazing looking video?
This is semi wrong still. There are no direct trains to Danbury or Waterbury from grand central. They require transfers at Norwalk and Bridgeport. New Canaan is the only one that has direct from GCT.
Small error on my part now. The Danbury line DOES make a couple direct runs during hyper peak hours. Waterbury has no direct runs. My apologies. I ride metronorth several times a week between Rye and GCT or Fordham for work and grew up off the New Haven station (also near Waterbury) and rode the train often during my youth. But I wasn’t aware of the Danbury line change. Sorry about that.
11,500 people in 2018 for White Plains? Jesus thats bad for a 12 month period. I was expecting you to say that's per day. That's like 31 passengers a day. Or did I misunderstand you?
11,550 people per day
Only the Trans Regional rail can operate based on what you suggest as it makes sense to utilize rail service transversing between branches
It's pronounced "Pass-CACK" Valley, like you're PASSing a CAt
“Beaux arts” is a French plural.
Pronounced bohz-arr in English.
Metro North, New Haven line is totally wrong.....worse than the first... seriously. You seem to grasp onto an idea then try to use it everywhere....try looking at the schedule or riding it a bit.
Some express are diesel, nonstop Newhaven to Grand Central...
Most new haven trains are Express till Stamford then local out bound from NY, reverse when returning.There are exceptions, but typically shown on the schedule.
Guess the Putnam Division never made it to Metro-North.
I think Amtrak wants to run trains to Ronkoma and / or Montauk.
Unrelated but any update on Queenslink? Can't find any recent information aside from some supportive news articles.
Killed in favor of a rail trail.
@@peter7936 Queenslink ain't dead. It still has support from the residents in Southeastern Queens. Queenslink will happen.
@@fredrickdavis5489 My fantasy would be a rebuild from Rego Park to JFK, so travelers could have a one seat ride from the city to the airport. Too bad the Port Authority wants to maintain its 300 million a year from parking, and probably more from limo fees, so doesn't want easy mass transit to its airports.
can u explain what you mean when u say that mnrr has more track length
Secaucus Junction.
bro im watching this at 10:00 pm
re-electify all line with new inferstucuture replace stuff thatr is really old and make though traind easier.
Waterbury trains dont go to gct
I wish Hudson line was extended to Albany New York
Empire Service:
Realistically the Hudson line could run to Albany Rennsselear but, with the aforementioned Amtrak Empire Service it wouldn’t make much sense except for giving grand central commuters a direct access to Albany.
If you think about it nobody uses stops from croton harmon and Poughkeepsie it’d be useless even if u include Amtrak stops since nobody uses the stops between Poughkeepsie and Albany
They could definitely remaster the Putnam railroad lines between Harlem and Hudson lines and just add the tracks along side the Putnam trailer. Just like maybrook Connecticut has both rails and trails.
That would make Albany more dependent on NYC, which its residents do not want.
We call the edge of the river its bank, not its coast. JSYK! 😀👍🏻