Today's Thought Experiment: Janeway's decided to leave a sky message in lights before we depart, one that'll be seen by the inhabitants for the next 200 years. She can't be arsed to write it herself though and has delegated the task to you. We've only got enough spare probes to make 5 words so you need to be brief. What'll you write?
@zephyr8072 that implies that voyager removed a father from his family without him ever being able to explain why he had to go. Tbf, I think that's the case even for adaption. Kinda cold of the Doc not to demand to be sent back really. Obviously this is a case of Voyagers writers not having thought that through.
But how and why he wound up adopting a kid could easily be a long story. And since it's obvious he adopted him, he doesn't really need to say that part.
Wouldn't have the planet's inhabitants evolved into god-like beings if Voyager had just stuck around for several months? Could they not have whisked Voyager back to the alpha quadrant at that point? Wait, did we just witness the birth of the Q?
Way before they became god-like the inhabitants would have developed sufficient technology to destroy voyager. Which is overwhelmingly more likely what they would do.
When you're done with the whole series, you need to do a supercut of all the spacedog bits. When you first started them, I thought they were annoying and skipped to the next episode. They've since grown on me and become one of my favorite parts of your channel. 😂😂😂😂
Voyager couldn't communicate with the planet electronically, but they could have done it physically. They could have sent a probe or beamed down a written message.
There are several movies abiut the issue trying to communicate with aliens using words. Egyptian hieroglyphics where translated using reference to other known languages. No reference means the words are meaningless
still in my top 10 Voyager's episode. my favorite bit of the episode was when the Astronaut and the doctor were talking together on some random things like how Americans would talk about baseball. another reason I loved it was because in a sense, its the story of earth minus earthquake. we looked into the stars and moon until we finally reached it. and about Jason, according to apocrypha, Jason is a stepchild of the doctor which he adopted, which makes sense
I love this episode, easily in my top 5 of Voyager. It's a rollicking good sci-fi story, something Star Trek does very well. One of the great things about this episode is the Dr and how he had a "life" down on the planet with friends and potentially lovers, and how he discusses sports games with the Astronaut. However, the grating is that he still doesn't get a name or quarters, or any further independence as a sentient being. I love the moment at the end, when the astronaut comes back to say goodbye, and then is an old man and he looks to the sky to watch Voyager disappear. "Forehead chuff" 🤣
Re: the rocket capsule being able to dock with Voyager, i think its reasonable to assume they saw the ports on voyager's hull and built something that looked to be about the right size and shape for it, which voyager's docking port might have compensated for any mismatch (i can easily believe the federation include alot of backups and adaptions into their exploration vehicles incase some aliens we've never meet before needing to dock.
I remember reading that one and thoroughly enjoying it - the fast moving species on a neutron star contacted by the slow time humans who influence their development from primitive to far surpassing them. I never really connected it with this episode, but you are correct, there are a lot of parallels.
I always liked this one, but also wonder what are the odds! The odds of Voyager arriving just at the time when The Weird Planet Where Time Moved Very Fast (And So did The People Who Lived There) goes from hunter gatherers to a kinda almost warp capable society. But then again, I guess on a cosmic scale this could be said about every civilisation. I also for some reason really liked details like the bars for people to latch on to during one of the earthquakes. Just thought It's neat the writers would think of something like that.
2:05: Anthropology and archaeology go hand-in-hand in Star Trek, in fact, Lt Carolyn Palamas was Kirk's A&A officer on the 1701 with no bloody A, B, C, OR D.
After being released, I wish Voyager would have stayed in a higher orbit for the 30 minutes it would have required for the planet's residents to invent transwarp or something. Can't help but wonder what they were able to do a day or a decade after.
Never watched this series, stumbled across a clip from this episode, this was the best I could find to provide context. Well done, and now I have to learn more about this Tom Paris guy.
Nuke the site from orbit Space Dog, it's the only way to be sure. I just have to say how much I appreciate the effort and attention to detail you put into these videos. The selection of frames to tell the story are *chef's kiss* This is one of my favourite episodes, there is no 'OMG the ship / universe / MacGuffin is XYZ' The inhabitants of planet speedy are, for the most part, pretty rational people who are making decisions based on the information they have. A detail I did like is the changes to the building to the left on the planet scenes. It starts off as a wooden watchtower, becomes a telescope and changes through the ages. It's as if the site has never really given up it's primary function through the centuries, that of being a watch tower, even if the thing it is watching is different.
My only really complaint is they raised that whole issue of the Doctor having a family and even a child and then completely dropped it. Would a line or two from the astronaut at the end about Jason really have been too much to ask for? Weird choice. Otherwise a great episode.
I know it would end the show, but it would have been nice if Voyager stuck around for a few weeks to see if the planet people could invent better techs for the ship, like better engines.
The inspiration for the matte paintings might have come from "The Course of Empire" by Thomas Cole in 1833. He depicted the fall of Rome and Star Trek is an appropriate counterpoint: collapse, and rebuilding with a new vision.
Love this episode, but if you think about it the people on the planet would probably only see gamma ray emissions at best due to the extreme redshift, so the sky would look a lot different to them; conversely Voyager's lucky they didn't shoot it with lasers, as a few days of laser emissions compressed into one second and blue-shifted into gamma radiation would've been rather inconvenient. :)
One of my top Voyager episodes. It was fun to watch. As for the doctor's son, thought he was a stepson. Overall, your review was very enjoyable to watch. Yeah, the writers could have ironed out the whole time thing a bit better. But overall, a very entertaining episode for me. I only wish they had reappeared once more in a future episode as a much more advanced race.
They were really inconsistent with their time frames here. Janeway tells the Doctor that 3 seconds on Voyager equals 2 days on the planet. But a bit later after what seems like an hour or so she tells the astronaut that everyone he knows on the planet is already dead. Later on Seven is watching antimatter tests happen on the planet and counting 5 seconds as 6 weeks. Unless I missed something it was pretty confusing.
im honestly suprised you werent super pendactic when it came to the whole time differentiation or the fact that the planet has a sun and yet the time cycle appears to be earth like
Where did the Doctor wear his emitter when he was clapping alien cheeks? But seriously, this is one of the best Voyager episode and why season 6 is the best season of the show for me.
Such a thought. Since they had an impact on their civilization, they could have waited a few days until they received a drive from that civilization that would quickly get them home.
it is this episode where a planet is time messed up, in the title sequence Voyager passes over the rings of a very small planet, you land on it "SIZE" is all messed up
I do like a sci-fi show that actually addresses real scientific phenomena (in this case time dilation). Of course, for the degree of dilation they're showing they'd practically need to be hovering around the event horizon of a black hole*, but i do appreciate the effort! * Not that they haven't already done that, in an episode with WAY less scientific plausibility
Haven't seen the episode, but considering they've figured out teleportation in about 10 years, so about an hour in their time, Voyager could have waited a day just outside their orbit and probably gotten stargate tech out of them at the end of it. The planet's people might be stuck there though, if they can't get past the whole time-wobbly issues on their bodies.
I'd never thought about the ratio of spicy brain havers and Minecraft/building games fans but you're absolutely onto something. I prefer other games to Minecraft specifically but I'm a longtime Hermitcraft and Life Series follower because the stories they tell are just amazing. GoodTimesWithScar is building an ingame Disneyland style themepark at the moment and watching it grow is incredibly satisfying!
@dfgdfg_ no, it's a novel. It covers humans encountering an initially primitive species on a neutron star who operate much faster than us due to using nuclear chemistry instead of electromagnetic chemistry like we do. I strongly recommend it as a read.
If one is inclined towards taking some minor book, or rather Bata cannon ideas any thought. Than the collection of short stories with in the voyager book, distent shores, while mostly utter trash. Especially the seven of nine focused story. There was a story that focused on the doctors time on planet speed freak. It's one of the like maybe three actually good storys in the book With in the tail, I believe the doctor called him self Joe, thou I confess it's being quite some time since I read the book. 2ed the son he mentioned was adopted or rather was a son in law. As he got intermiat with his mother after I belive she lost her husband. It's a rather touching tale and as I said one of maybe three that is actually genualy good As I recall, there was a chapter focusing on belanna and kess of all people as they bound over building house on the holo deck the old fashioned way., well realtivly old fashioned. Than belannas grief over kess departure and her struggle on weather to finish the house or not
I really wanted this episode expanded, but them's the breaks when it comes to network tv. You only have so long to explore an idea. Still, maybe a few less scenes aboard and some more focused on the planet, or expanding the scenes on the planet. There is so much more that could have been had that it feels heartbreaking that I struggle to really enjoy what I got. I am a bit of a selfish tart it seems. By the by, there is a novel that has a similar plot to this episode called Dragon's Egg about a species that evolves on a neutron star and goes from the Cheela, the tiny squid like aliens learning to use tools to advanced enough they set up colonies on other stars, all inspired by the approaching human ship sent to check out the nearby star. I highly recommend reading it, and the sequel, Starquake, if you enjoyed this episode.
My favorite part is actually the doctor complaining about a ball game and acting like an out of touch grandfather haha... It made a connection with the guy. Though... Why not wait a day for those guys to create or fix a warp variant.
I admit when I think of building games, I think more Stardew Valley or the My Time At games. Those games also give you the idea of seeing something develop over time. Another example I've heard of why they're so popular and this could include Minecraft is because of the idea of you the player create things rather then watching others create things. You get to see the game world develop and feel a part of it.
i get the civ and minecraft idea, yes us spicys, love to spend weeks building a world, then i discovered sand box mode and disapeared for almost a decade
Ok , You got me to sub ,NOW, you have to keep me interested ... I would like to make a request of you sir ? Could you also do a breakdown of a similar 2 or 3 part episode type in Stargate Universe , dealing with the civilization left behind from the destiny's alternate crew . Please & Thank You !
It's not just that. The woman visitor says they're warm to the touch. Heat is molecular movement. So if they were standing still in time, they should be cold to the touch. What's more, the absurdly accelerated vibrations of her own heat should have instantly scalded the hand of the person she was touching. Furthermore, the entire air is molecules. This means that they would have caused massive waves of pressure and vacuum explosions everywhere they walked.
@@drakesilmore3760 If we were to start being detailed and comprehensive, we might debate until Voyager actually returns home, listing whacky things from 2024 to 2370-bump :D
@@lutzderlurch7877 It's been a while since I watched Voyager. I just started watching again yesterday and I forgot to turn on my suspension of disbelief. This episode was especially egregious in terms of technobabble and not just scientific inconsistent (more speed means faster passing of time, instead of slower. But there are tachyons, so time is actually faster because of that somehow.) But also internal inconsistency, like the two visitors still being very fast even though they have left their gravitational field that made them that fast. However the doctor didn't have that. It just was a really rough re-entry to the series compared to when I was 16 years old. It was just too much. Did enjoy the episode though.
@@drakesilmore3760 Aye. Watched Voy as a child, too. I love(d) the era and general ideas, a number of characters, but there were always some stinkers among the episodes. I don't think VOY was bad, in general, but it really missed out on it's potential. Both thanks to how TV was done 'back then' and also some.....'variable quality' writing etc. Hope you're having overall fun with the series, though, have a fine day!
@@drakesilmore3760 They chop and change their time frames too. At one moment Janeway tells the doctor that 3 seconds equals 2 days and then later on Seven is watching the planetary tests and counts 5 seconds as 6 weeks. And yes the astronauts time frame was problematic. Surely both of them would have died of dehydration within seconds lying there on the floor. From their perspective it would be weeks or years before they arrived at sickbay.
I missed that episode in the original run. It really looks great. Voyager and the Kazon were not a good mix, but these single episodes were pretty great at times. And Picardo never disappoints.
I love this episode, but its one of those things where it would have been nice to have seen *any* kind of follow-up. Going by your 1 regular second = 14.6 hours on Krispy Kreme, one day is equal to 1.26 MILLION years. According to Memory Alpha, at warp 9, a ship can only get about 4 light years of distance in 24 hours. Assuming they didn't promptly die out after less than an hour (or, for them, 3.6 millenia) from last contact with Voyager, they should be rivalling the Q Continuum before Voyager gets to the next star (assuming their home star's nearest neighbor is approximately the same distance from it as our star's nearest neighbor is). EDIT: another thing. These people would have no idea what a season even is, because for basically their entire history, their planet has been in pretty much the exact same spot in its orbit. EDIT 2: Originally calculated 1 regular day as 1.26 million years, but this was an error, that's 1.26 million hours, which is ~144 years. Still a hell of a long time, though not "evolve into Q" long.
@@S_Drake Actually, yes, you're correct. That's what I get for doing dimensional analysis by trying to keep track of the units in my head instead of on paper.
I always took the idea that the Doctor had a son as an adopted son. Or perhaps he and his spouse used artificial insemination. I never considered that the kid was biologically the Doc's as the Doc doesn't have a biology, much less genes to pass on.
I love this episode but I cant understand why even mr nitpicky wouldnt talk about this episode beeing entirely magic. xD Are we not gonna talk about how thats not how time works? Not even the planet is impossible but that timeskip that almost killed the astronaut is like super-impossible xD who came up with that? Voyagers crew is frozen in time relative to those two? Like right next to each other? The Doctor is a magical holodad and okay that was mentioned... I just love the fact he was able to holographically impregnate a woman xD
Came on this by accident. My suggestion would be that if you are going to do a critique of something then just do that and tone down the sarcasm and quips. It will flow that much better. Just my opinion
Today's Thought Experiment: Janeway's decided to leave a sky message in lights before we depart, one that'll be seen by the inhabitants for the next 200 years. She can't be arsed to write it herself though and has delegated the task to you. We've only got enough spare probes to make 5 words so you need to be brief. What'll you write?
USS Voyager was here, cheers
'Keep quiet, they'll hear you!'
'homeless? Just buy a house'
* 1 additional probe playing the avengers theme at 100 volume *
"So long, thanks for pushing."
"Thanks for all the fruit."
Not sure why the Doctor makes out that him having a son was “a long story”. He obviously adopted him, which is a pretty short and easy story.
That’s because the real story involves holographic semen and a lot of science wibblies.
@zephyr8072 that implies that voyager removed a father from his family without him ever being able to explain why he had to go. Tbf, I think that's the case even for adaption. Kinda cold of the Doc not to demand to be sent back really.
Obviously this is a case of Voyagers writers not having thought that through.
But how and why he wound up adopting a kid could easily be a long story.
And since it's obvious he adopted him, he doesn't really need to say that part.
@@dm121984 I suspect he let his family know he might be taken away at any point and that he still loved them very much.
@@Daimo83 I would hope so - I still think it was poorly presented story telling.
Wouldn't have the planet's inhabitants evolved into god-like beings if Voyager had just stuck around for several months? Could they not have whisked Voyager back to the alpha quadrant at that point? Wait, did we just witness the birth of the Q?
This was my thought, they should be able to develop a superior form of propulsion. They would be hundreds of years more advanced the Voyager crew.
Like the aliens on the Orville that were temporally shifted.
Woah
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Way before they became god-like the inhabitants would have developed sufficient technology to destroy voyager. Which is overwhelmingly more likely what they would do.
So this is without a doubt one of the best episodes ever of this show.
Agreed
Came here to say this.
agreed!
@@urmo345 Second best for me, year of hell is the best.
Totally agree!
When you're done with the whole series, you need to do a supercut of all the spacedog bits. When you first started them, I thought they were annoying and skipped to the next episode. They've since grown on me and become one of my favorite parts of your channel. 😂😂😂😂
Voyager couldn't communicate with the planet electronically, but they could have done it physically. They could have sent a probe or beamed down a written message.
They could have dropped leaflets.
Starfleet hearts and minds psyop
There are several movies abiut the issue trying to communicate with aliens using words.
Egyptian hieroglyphics where translated using reference to other known languages.
No reference means the words are meaningless
still in my top 10 Voyager's episode.
my favorite bit of the episode was when the Astronaut and the doctor were talking together on some random things like how Americans would talk about baseball.
another reason I loved it was because in a sense, its the story of earth minus earthquake.
we looked into the stars and moon until we finally reached it.
and about Jason, according to apocrypha, Jason is a stepchild of the doctor which he adopted, which makes sense
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Yes. I love the song "Fantastic Voyage".
I love this episode, easily in my top 5 of Voyager. It's a rollicking good sci-fi story, something Star Trek does very well.
One of the great things about this episode is the Dr and how he had a "life" down on the planet with friends and potentially lovers, and how he discusses sports games with the Astronaut. However, the grating is that he still doesn't get a name or quarters, or any further independence as a sentient being.
I love the moment at the end, when the astronaut comes back to say goodbye, and then is an old man and he looks to the sky to watch Voyager disappear.
"Forehead chuff" 🤣
Re: the rocket capsule being able to dock with Voyager, i think its reasonable to assume they saw the ports on voyager's hull and built something that looked to be about the right size and shape for it, which voyager's docking port might have compensated for any mismatch (i can easily believe the federation include alot of backups and adaptions into their exploration vehicles incase some aliens we've never meet before needing to dock.
I have heard it suggested that it is actually based on Dragon's Egg by Robert Foward.
I remember reading that one and thoroughly enjoying it - the fast moving species on a neutron star contacted by the slow time humans who influence their development from primitive to far surpassing them. I never really connected it with this episode, but you are correct, there are a lot of parallels.
@@littleblackcat2273 Credit where credit is due I only know of the book (which I have now read) because of SFdebris review of this episode.
I always liked this one, but also wonder what are the odds! The odds of Voyager arriving just at the time when The Weird Planet Where Time Moved Very Fast (And So did The People Who Lived There) goes from hunter gatherers to a kinda almost warp capable society. But then again, I guess on a cosmic scale this could be said about every civilisation. I also for some reason really liked details like the bars for people to latch on to during one of the earthquakes. Just thought It's neat the writers would think of something like that.
The Orville sort of did this one with "Mad Idolatry".
I guess the implication is that the earthquakes/Voyager triggered the development
I think it's mentioned somewhere that the presence of the voyager caused them to start developing rapidly to try and reach it
Really solid voyager episode, and a great breakdown of what made it so appealing and enjoyable for so many.
2:05: Anthropology and archaeology go hand-in-hand in Star Trek, in fact, Lt Carolyn Palamas was Kirk's A&A officer on the 1701 with no bloody A, B, C, OR D.
After being released, I wish Voyager would have stayed in a higher orbit for the 30 minutes it would have required for the planet's residents to invent transwarp or something.
Can't help but wonder what they were able to do a day or a decade after.
Never watched this series, stumbled across a clip from this episode, this was the best I could find to provide context. Well done, and now I have to learn more about this Tom Paris guy.
Nuke the site from orbit Space Dog, it's the only way to be sure. I just have to say how much I appreciate the effort and attention to detail you put into these videos. The selection of frames to tell the story are *chef's kiss* This is one of my favourite episodes, there is no 'OMG the ship / universe / MacGuffin is XYZ'
The inhabitants of planet speedy are, for the most part, pretty rational people who are making decisions based on the information they have.
A detail I did like is the changes to the building to the left on the planet scenes. It starts off as a wooden watchtower, becomes a telescope and changes through the ages. It's as if the site has never really given up it's primary function through the centuries, that of being a watch tower, even if the thing it is watching is different.
Excellent analysis of an interesting episode
My only really complaint is they raised that whole issue of the Doctor having a family and even a child and then completely dropped it. Would a line or two from the astronaut at the end about Jason really have been too much to ask for? Weird choice. Otherwise a great episode.
Yeah it was odd. And surely he could only have been a surrogate father anyway? Never a biological one.
Agreed
What a brilliant video. And the space dogs were really dope.
6:08 I think they already mentioned it once as 15 years
So I agree this one of my favourite episode. Great observation of how it tries to building.
How did I never realize till now that the jingle at the beginning was a sped up Voyager theme lol
Except the one for Basics part 2; it uses the The Flintstones theme.
About 30 seconds in and I'm subscribed! Ooo, you've done one of Threshold, an episode I actually like. Going to watch that when I get home.
Literally one of the best episodes of of anything startrek...hello from the U.S. from hours away
Wow I just found you and I'm amazed you have the whole voyager-series covered. Well done! 😅
First time I see one of your videos ! It's excellent and hilarious !
I loved it, Thanks ! 😊👍
I know it would end the show, but it would have been nice if Voyager stuck around for a few weeks to see if the planet people could invent better techs for the ship, like better engines.
Or maybe they would have invented the Spore Drive
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This is one of my top 5 episodes. Partly because of the possibilities of doc episodes of what his time was like during that year he was lost.
The inspiration for the matte paintings might have come from "The Course of Empire" by Thomas Cole in 1833. He depicted the fall of Rome and Star Trek is an appropriate counterpoint: collapse, and rebuilding with a new vision.
Love this episode, but if you think about it the people on the planet would probably only see gamma ray emissions at best due to the extreme redshift, so the sky would look a lot different to them; conversely Voyager's lucky they didn't shoot it with lasers, as a few days of laser emissions compressed into one second and blue-shifted into gamma radiation would've been rather inconvenient. :)
One of my top Voyager episodes. It was fun to watch. As for the doctor's son, thought he was a stepson.
Overall, your review was very enjoyable to watch. Yeah, the writers could have ironed out the whole time thing a bit better. But overall, a very entertaining episode for me.
I only wish they had reappeared once more in a future episode as a much more advanced race.
The Orville sort of copied this one it’s so good. Kelly accidentally did a space Catholicism
And the great response to the "You can´t save them because PD" comes up.
We would have made up another god without you
It's ok they copied it from Voyager, Voyager copied it from a book called "Dragons Egg" which was a great book.
@perfectionvalley and TOS's "Wink of an Eye". The innovations make it feel original, which helps
They were really inconsistent with their time frames here. Janeway tells the Doctor that 3 seconds on Voyager equals 2 days on the planet. But a bit later after what seems like an hour or so she tells the astronaut that everyone he knows on the planet is already dead. Later on Seven is watching antimatter tests happen on the planet and counting 5 seconds as 6 weeks. Unless I missed something it was pretty confusing.
im honestly suprised you werent super pendactic when it came to the whole time differentiation or the fact that the planet has a sun and yet the time cycle appears to be earth like
I really like that episode. It fits very well into the episodic format of the show and gives a great what if scenario.
I didn’t know the Buddhist hands are also grown and harvested in the delta quadrant
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Where did the Doctor wear his emitter when he was clapping alien cheeks? But seriously, this is one of the best Voyager episode and why season 6 is the best season of the show for me.
I would imagine he would holo-disguise it (eg, maybe as a tattoo).
Such a thought. Since they had an impact on their civilization, they could have waited a few days until they received a drive from that civilization that would quickly get them home.
it is this episode where a planet is time messed up, in the title sequence Voyager passes over the rings of a very small planet, you land on it "SIZE" is all messed up
Remember, no nuclear weapons please.
I do like a sci-fi show that actually addresses real scientific phenomena (in this case time dilation). Of course, for the degree of dilation they're showing they'd practically need to be hovering around the event horizon of a black hole*, but i do appreciate the effort!
* Not that they haven't already done that, in an episode with WAY less scientific plausibility
This narration is brilliant. 😂😂😂
The Doctor never said his son was his biological son.
Haven't seen the episode, but considering they've figured out teleportation in about 10 years, so about an hour in their time, Voyager could have waited a day just outside their orbit and probably gotten stargate tech out of them at the end of it. The planet's people might be stuck there though, if they can't get past the whole time-wobbly issues on their bodies.
Lol, why the hate on for Tom Paris at the end?
This was one of my favorite episodes of Voyager. This was truly ST:Voyager version of Disney's Carousel of Progress effectively.
this is the first episode that I went back to watch.
LOVED THIS episode, right up there with "Muse".
7:15 now That's some impressively nerdy calculation and humour, Bravo! :)
Been looking forward to this. For me, this is THE episode of voyager.
I'd personally forgotten about this gem, I am hanging out for "Shattered" (Season 7, Ep 10).
@littleblackcat2273 the time fractures right?
@@jamesmyles4540 Yes, but no spoilers! :)
@littleblackcat2273 if you like that episode you should look into the book time shards, similar concept, way larger scale
Obi Ndefo who played the guy who sent the letter to the gods passed at the young age of 51 😢 I guess he went for hand delivering this time R I P
I'd never thought about the ratio of spicy brain havers and Minecraft/building games fans but you're absolutely onto something. I prefer other games to Minecraft specifically but I'm a longtime Hermitcraft and Life Series follower because the stories they tell are just amazing. GoodTimesWithScar is building an ingame Disneyland style themepark at the moment and watching it grow is incredibly satisfying!
Ah, this episode. A rip off of "Dragons Egg", a much better story. They even lampshade it via a reference to 'what if the aliens are purple blobs?'.
Dragons Egg is much better but, this rip off is one of my favorite Voyager episodes.
Is Dragons Egg TNG?
@dfgdfg_ no, it's a novel. It covers humans encountering an initially primitive species on a neutron star who operate much faster than us due to using nuclear chemistry instead of electromagnetic chemistry like we do. I strongly recommend it as a read.
@@dfgdfg_ Dragons Egg is a novel by Robert L Forward.
@@dfgdfg_ in the novel it's a neutron star, not a planet and the intelligent life is most definitely not humanoid.
me: "what's a pedant?" *goes to google* "OH! let me go get a coffee and snack"
If one is inclined towards taking some minor book, or rather Bata cannon ideas any thought. Than the collection of short stories with in the voyager book, distent shores, while mostly utter trash. Especially the seven of nine focused story.
There was a story that focused on the doctors time on planet speed freak.
It's one of the like maybe three actually good storys in the book
With in the tail, I believe the doctor called him self Joe, thou I confess it's being quite some time since I read the book.
2ed the son he mentioned was adopted or rather was a son in law. As he got intermiat with his mother after I belive she lost her husband.
It's a rather touching tale and as I said one of maybe three that is actually genualy good
As I recall, there was a chapter focusing on belanna and kess of all people as they bound over building house on the holo deck the old fashioned way., well realtivly old fashioned.
Than belannas grief over kess departure and her struggle on weather to finish the house or not
I really wanted this episode expanded, but them's the breaks when it comes to network tv. You only have so long to explore an idea. Still, maybe a few less scenes aboard and some more focused on the planet, or expanding the scenes on the planet. There is so much more that could have been had that it feels heartbreaking that I struggle to really enjoy what I got. I am a bit of a selfish tart it seems.
By the by, there is a novel that has a similar plot to this episode called Dragon's Egg about a species that evolves on a neutron star and goes from the Cheela, the tiny squid like aliens learning to use tools to advanced enough they set up colonies on other stars, all inspired by the approaching human ship sent to check out the nearby star. I highly recommend reading it, and the sequel, Starquake, if you enjoyed this episode.
Thank you SO much! I read Dragon's Egg years ago, and thoroughly enjoyed it, I never knew there was a sequel. (Sourcing it now!)
@@littleblackcat2273 It is a a lot of fun. The Cheela have to rebuild their civilization after a disaster.
@@GnomePickles Thank you - I've now managed to track down a second hand copy, it should arrive just before Xmas.
I liked this one too. Happy Thanksgiving from Arkansas 💚🌹💚
its actually heavily "inspired" by the 1980s novel dragons egg
A light can blink too
My favorite part is actually the doctor complaining about a ball game and acting like an out of touch grandfather haha...
It made a connection with the guy.
Though... Why not wait a day for those guys to create or fix a warp variant.
I admit when I think of building games, I think more Stardew Valley or the My Time At games. Those games also give you the idea of seeing something develop over time. Another example I've heard of why they're so popular and this could include Minecraft is because of the idea of you the player create things rather then watching others create things. You get to see the game world develop and feel a part of it.
i get the civ and minecraft idea, yes us spicys, love to spend weeks building a world, then i discovered sand box mode and disapeared for almost a decade
Ok , You got me to sub ,NOW, you have to keep me interested ... I would like to make a request of you sir ? Could you also do a breakdown of a similar 2 or 3 part episode type in Stargate Universe , dealing with the civilization left behind from the destiny's alternate crew . Please & Thank You !
Seven of nine, tertiary adjunct of unimatrix three, thank you very much.
Always found it funny, how the ship, crew and coffee stood still for the visitors, but doors and air and light did not
It's not just that. The woman visitor says they're warm to the touch. Heat is molecular movement. So if they were standing still in time, they should be cold to the touch. What's more, the absurdly accelerated vibrations of her own heat should have instantly scalded the hand of the person she was touching. Furthermore, the entire air is molecules. This means that they would have caused massive waves of pressure and vacuum explosions everywhere they walked.
@@drakesilmore3760 If we were to start being detailed and comprehensive, we might debate until Voyager actually returns home, listing whacky things from 2024 to 2370-bump :D
@@lutzderlurch7877 It's been a while since I watched Voyager. I just started watching again yesterday and I forgot to turn on my suspension of disbelief. This episode was especially egregious in terms of technobabble and not just scientific inconsistent (more speed means faster passing of time, instead of slower. But there are tachyons, so time is actually faster because of that somehow.) But also internal inconsistency, like the two visitors still being very fast even though they have left their gravitational field that made them that fast. However the doctor didn't have that. It just was a really rough re-entry to the series compared to when I was 16 years old. It was just too much.
Did enjoy the episode though.
@@drakesilmore3760 Aye. Watched Voy as a child, too. I love(d) the era and general ideas, a number of characters, but there were always some stinkers among the episodes.
I don't think VOY was bad, in general, but it really missed out on it's potential. Both thanks to how TV was done 'back then' and also some.....'variable quality' writing etc.
Hope you're having overall fun with the series, though,
have a fine day!
@@drakesilmore3760 They chop and change their time frames too. At one moment Janeway tells the doctor that 3 seconds equals 2 days and then later on Seven is watching the planetary tests and counts 5 seconds as 6 weeks. And yes the astronauts time frame was problematic. Surely both of them would have died of dehydration within seconds lying there on the floor. From their perspective it would be weeks or years before they arrived at sickbay.
This was one of my favorite episodes.
Falling in love with Paris over time, don't we? ;)
Those Filhty Meat Bags... sounds like a great punk band with ingenious lyrics.
I missed that episode in the original run. It really looks great. Voyager and the Kazon were not a good mix, but these single episodes were pretty great at times. And Picardo never disappoints.
Excellent
I love this episode, but its one of those things where it would have been nice to have seen *any* kind of follow-up. Going by your 1 regular second = 14.6 hours on Krispy Kreme, one day is equal to 1.26 MILLION years. According to Memory Alpha, at warp 9, a ship can only get about 4 light years of distance in 24 hours. Assuming they didn't promptly die out after less than an hour (or, for them, 3.6 millenia) from last contact with Voyager, they should be rivalling the Q Continuum before Voyager gets to the next star (assuming their home star's nearest neighbor is approximately the same distance from it as our star's nearest neighbor is).
EDIT: another thing. These people would have no idea what a season even is, because for basically their entire history, their planet has been in pretty much the exact same spot in its orbit.
EDIT 2: Originally calculated 1 regular day as 1.26 million years, but this was an error, that's 1.26 million hours, which is ~144 years. Still a hell of a long time, though not "evolve into Q" long.
One day would equal 1.26 million hours on Krispy Kreme, or 144 years.
@@S_Drake Actually, yes, you're correct. That's what I get for doing dimensional analysis by trying to keep track of the units in my head instead of on paper.
@@ComradePhoenix If it's any consolation, I checked my own math three times before I felt confident enough to give my own answer. 🙂
@@S_Drake I can't decide which one is the bigger pain in the ass: keeping our current time system, or switching over to some sort of metric time.
@@ComradePhoenix And during the crossover, we'll all be trying to convert seconds to centiminutes in our heads. I'm not sure I'd make it.
"... the fact that they're writing in english" got me...
So you like time wibblies now?
I think the whole series of Star Trek Voyager could have been episodes like this.
A day passes in their time for every hour in our time? I wonder where I've heard that before.
>hops on a chocobo and rides to Hammerhead
As a pedantic twit, I approve this message.
I always took the idea that the Doctor had a son as an adopted son. Or perhaps he and his spouse used artificial insemination. I never considered that the kid was biologically the Doc's as the Doc doesn't have a biology, much less genes to pass on.
I love this episode but I cant understand why even mr nitpicky wouldnt talk about this episode beeing entirely magic. xD
Are we not gonna talk about how thats not how time works? Not even the planet is impossible but that timeskip that almost killed the astronaut is like super-impossible xD who came up with that? Voyagers crew is frozen in time relative to those two? Like right next to each other?
The Doctor is a magical holodad and okay that was mentioned... I just love the fact he was able to holographically impregnate a woman xD
How very pedantic. Well done
Ah yes, Science Bollocks☝🏻
a very good episode this one
Came on this by accident. My suggestion would be that if you are going to do a critique of something then just do that and tone down the sarcasm and quips. It will flow that much better. Just my opinion