I think one event you overlooked that led to the turning point of video game discussion is GamerGate. Regardless of how anyone feels about that era, it majorly shifted how fans online talk about games (and then by extension other media). Pretty much everything you see now and how people respond to industry news is the result of all the nastiness that happened over GamerGate. The one positive thing I can mention is that regular fans who are not obsessed with culture wars or politics are slowly getting out of this mindset that everyone is your enemy or hates you for your existence. It will be a slow burn until people can just simply talk about video games as an actual hobby and not as a political tool.
You are 100% correct. GG was definitely a major turning point that shifted online discussion A LOT. Its weird, we’re so far removed from that exact moment in time that I sometimes forget we’re still experiencing the effects today.
It’s annoying because Gamergate started as an effort to expose the back door deals that game journalists and publishers would have to falsely praise their products regardless of actual quality, among other things. Something that still happens to this day. Granted, maybe not as transparently. But the movement got taken over by a bunch of dumbass bigots that completely changed the narrative and Gamergate was forever tarnished.
It's funny because I remember during this stream I was on vacation in Japan at the time and when I would take the train every day, I would literally see advertisement for Echos of Wisdom every day on the train TV. I'm kind of tired of the whole "they didn't market this game" argument in general but like honestly, what more do you need to do lmao. Literally hundreds of thousands of people take the train every day and at some point, they're probably going to see that ad at some point and maybe be like "Oh wow that looks cool I want that." Either people are going to pick up the game or not. Idk maybe I'm not wording this correctly or I'm crazy, but does that make sense?
You are correct! We are in an era where marketing now doesn’t make as big of a difference as it did in the 90s. After the initial wave of letting people know the game exists then the job is pretty much done because information travels WAY faster now. And when thats not the case, there are ceilings in terms of budget/niche (you can only do so much marketing for a block puzzle game for example)
The best place for video game discussion was the forums era because you had to stay on topic and or get banned for a short time. We are in an era of engagement farming now so you have to read between the lines to see what people actually saying lol. I think it has gotten more toxic due to the landscape.
I think one event you overlooked that led to the turning point of video game discussion is GamerGate. Regardless of how anyone feels about that era, it majorly shifted how fans online talk about games (and then by extension other media). Pretty much everything you see now and how people respond to industry news is the result of all the nastiness that happened over GamerGate. The one positive thing I can mention is that regular fans who are not obsessed with culture wars or politics are slowly getting out of this mindset that everyone is your enemy or hates you for your existence. It will be a slow burn until people can just simply talk about video games as an actual hobby and not as a political tool.
You are 100% correct.
GG was definitely a major turning point that shifted online discussion A LOT. Its weird, we’re so far removed from that exact moment in time that I sometimes forget we’re still experiencing the effects today.
It’s annoying because Gamergate started as an effort to expose the back door deals that game journalists and publishers would have to falsely praise their products regardless of actual quality, among other things. Something that still happens to this day. Granted, maybe not as transparently.
But the movement got taken over by a bunch of dumbass bigots that completely changed the narrative and Gamergate was forever tarnished.
@@Ichigo111293 while all that was going on, I was so confused about what exactly GG was for this exact reason
@@Ichigo111293I thought gamergate was about how women don’t belong in the gaming industry.
It's funny because I remember during this stream I was on vacation in Japan at the time and when I would take the train every day, I would literally see advertisement for Echos of Wisdom every day on the train TV. I'm kind of tired of the whole "they didn't market this game" argument in general but like honestly, what more do you need to do lmao. Literally hundreds of thousands of people take the train every day and at some point, they're probably going to see that ad at some point and maybe be like "Oh wow that looks cool I want that." Either people are going to pick up the game or not. Idk maybe I'm not wording this correctly or I'm crazy, but does that make sense?
You are correct! We are in an era where marketing now doesn’t make as big of a difference as it did in the 90s. After the initial wave of letting people know the game exists then the job is pretty much done because information travels WAY faster now. And when thats not the case, there are ceilings in terms of budget/niche (you can only do so much marketing for a block puzzle game for example)
Bad decision for bad decision console wars still cracks me up
Just a villain-off at this point 😂
The best place for video game discussion was the forums era because you had to stay on topic and or get banned for a short time. We are in an era of engagement farming now so you have to read between the lines to see what people actually saying lol. I think it has gotten more toxic due to the landscape.
I think due to social media things get heated and a lot of engagement is lost because of clout
AGREED
Yes.
"Hell yeah, Xbox is the best, we have.. Dead to Rights.." - Me to an empty room because I had no friends
Dead to Rights…now thats a name I havent heard in years