I feel there was nothing to 'fix', they intended to start spider-man as iron boy jr, there was no origin story for mcu spider-man, the homecoming trilogy itself is his origin. The real spider-man game starts from now 💯
@@Echo-vl9jc I'm not fully ruling it out. I'm just saying that the decision to do that ending might have been influenced since they didn't know if after NWH he would still be in the MCU.
@@Adam_X78 that’s not really true either. The movies were great, people just don’t like how he’s a kid and, as he’s getting his feet off the ground, needs to rely on some other people. It’s a touch of realism that I like. People didn’t like him because he’s not like the other two Spider-Men. However, that was the point of the series. The movies were great and sent their own messages that eventually led to everything coming full circle. I don’t really understand how people can do strongly hate the first two Home movies when they strongly built up his character.
MCU fans: MCU Spider-Man is not Iron-Boy Jr, you're just a Raimitard MCU fans now: *SEE SPIDER-MAN IS NOT IRON-BOY JR ANYMORE, THERE WAS NOTHING TO FIX, THEY PLANNED THIS TRILOGY AS AN ORIGIN STORY SINCE THE BEGINNING!*
Literally no one is saying that the past movies were his origin story.... People were just implying that the past sequels were just building up towards Tom "redeeming" himself by learning that consequences do exist, and everything won't last forever.
I never understood peoples problems with MCU Spider-Man being Ironboy Jr. Seeing as how thats exactly what he was in the comics at the start except it was towards the fantastic 4.
No he was never like that in the comics, Peter Parker didn't end up meeting Tony till his college days and at that point Peter didn't think much of Tony
@@CaptainWaldoe Yes. I never said he was idolizing Tony in the comics. I said he was idolizing the Fantastic 4. Ofc they didn't have them in when Peter came into the MCU so who better than Tony.
@@gracklepolp0534 that being said in the movies both homecoming and far from home are purely revolved around iron man and his past so all spidermans villains and triumps pretty much only had because of iron mans mistakes which definatley make it feel like less of a SPIDERMAN movie
@@callumharpur6655 Yeah I can understand that. But they all do eventually become attached to peter and do become his villains in a way. Vulture being Liz's dad and Mysterio getting to befriend Peter and essentially become a new mentor figure. I mean Green-Goblins motive in the 1st Raimi film had nothing to do with Peter or Spider-Man and neither did Doc Ock. Doc Ock didn't really have that much beef with Spider-Man till he needed to kill him for the tridium.
@@gracklepolp0534 yeah thats true about goblin and doc ock but even then their origins and motivation played into what makes them a good villain, it definatley doesnt feel like that in the mcu films they are both pissed at tony and that drives their whole plot and spiderman is just kinda involved because of tony ESPECIALLY in far from home like peter would have had nothing to do with beck if it wasnt for tony randomly giving peter a pair of billion dollar glasses for no reason other than plot. far from home is a good example of how they rely on other heroes in the mcu to have a story
There was nothing to really fix. Other people have been saying that, so I’ll say my own take. The previous two movies were great. People just don’t like how he’s a kid and, as he’s getting his feet off the ground, needs to rely on some other, more experienced, people sometimes. Considering he was in high school for the entire trilogy, it’s a small touch of realism that I like. People didn’t like him because he’s not like the other two Spider-Men. However, that was the point of the series. The movies were great and sent their own messages that eventually led to everything coming full circle. I don’t really understand how people can do strongly hate the first two Home movies when they strongly built up his character. The first movie taught him that he didn’t need the suit to be a hero; he didn’t need help to get back on his feet. The second taught him to be himself instead of trying to live up to the expectations set upon you. The third taught him what it means to have a heart and do what’s right. Together, this makes Spider-Man. It was a great origin trilogy and I think that people should really start seeing the great aspects of all three movies as a whole.
@Parvis bro who is Steven 😭😭. Nah, all 3 home trilogy movies were good. Black panther was fine. I agree with you on Captain Marvel. Overall, it’s just opinion. But the majority of people are fine with the Home trilogy and Tom Holland’s Spider-Man. So idk what to tell you bro, they’re pretty liked and enjoyable.
Tom Holland's Spider-Man: steals Cap's shield and holds his own in a fight against him, beats Sam and Bucky in a 2 v 1, holds together a collapsing cruise ship, defeats Vulture in his pyjamas after abandoning his prom date to do the right thing, saves the Guardians and gets a few hits in on THANOS in the Titan fight, briefly resists the effects of the snap, holds the infinity gauntlet, takes down Mysterio and a room full of drones having been completely blinded using nothing but his spidersense Raimi fanboys: haha Iron boy jr
I'll give you the Vulture one since it felt like an actual Spiderman moment. His Spiderman had a lot of potential, the issue isn't always how well on how he many battle he has won against real threats. They just seem to dislike this Spiderman because he treats the quote "With great comes great responsibility" almost like a joke. His motivation of being a hero is the most generic thing you expect from a normal superhero and that's sort of not what makes Spiderman, Spiderman. Tony Stark used to being there and give him as much as his tech support also shows a lack of independence aswell. After watching No Way Home. I have now fully seen his growth a lot bigger than the other two movies. Those were quite my only issues with Mcu Spiderman and glad they fixed it.
@@chiakiwithagun9289 Yeah that's fair enough, although I disagree; I don't really mind Tony's involvement in his early days as he was younger in Civil War then Tobey and Andrew were when they got bitten and that was a few months in at least, plus it makes sense to connect everything in the wider universe, and I feel like Peter learned the independence lesson pretty well in FFH, but I understand why you'd disagree as he is still reliant on Strange and Happy a bit in NWH's first half. Glad you enjoyed the film though and I respect your opinion 👍
So, so, so right. He finally acted a bit more mature after having been kept to act like a giddy little child despite having already died, faced an evil universe threatening lunatic, having led to the arrest of his crush's Dad. He finally felt like a presence in this universe instead of like so often before where they have so many characters look at MCU Peter like gum on their shoe instead of the respected and appreciated Amazing Spider-Man from the comics. He finally threw punches and felt capable instead of the usual 'um, sir, um' stuttering act they always have MCU Peter doing where he always comes across out of his depth despite comic Spider-Man being the guy to always step up and look the situation in the eye DESPITE always being out of his depth during most of the threats. He finally went back to no-one knowing he's Spider-Man instead of it getting to the point where literally everyone knows he's Spider-Man. He finally made his own suit instead of being Iron Boy Jr. He finally acknowledged in words that 'with great power, comes great responsibility'. Just awesome.
Bro, did we watch the same movies? Both of their endings proved that Holland’s Peter Parker is Spidey, regardless of gadgets. Whether it be him escaping from the rubble with nothing but pure determination, or defeating an army of drones with his eyes closed. But no, let’s not look at the facts, let’s just call him Ironboy Jr. because you have a nostalgia-boner for a trilogy that come out over a decade ago. HiTop Jr. lookin ass
I feel there was nothing to 'fix', they intended to start spider-man as iron boy jr, there was no origin story for mcu spider-man, the homecoming trilogy itself is his origin. The real spider-man game starts from now 💯
Yeah, let's be honest. They didn't plan this, they just thought of this on the fly due to Disney/Sony tensions
@@KrypticSpiderMan everything is planned and everything is intentional in marvel 😂
@@KrypticSpiderMan nah they planned it kid
@@Echo-vl9jc I'm not fully ruling it out. I'm just saying that the decision to do that ending might have been influenced since they didn't know if after NWH he would still be in the MCU.
Sure
This is exactly what my reaction was. So glad they fixed Tom's Spider-Man
same m8. Props to Watts for redeeming toms spidey
Me too they saved my boy
he was always good stfu
@@Wyatthaze Relax he always was great nobody said he wasn’t he just got given bad scripts
@@Adam_X78 that’s not really true either. The movies were great, people just don’t like how he’s a kid and, as he’s getting his feet off the ground, needs to rely on some other people. It’s a touch of realism that I like.
People didn’t like him because he’s not like the other two Spider-Men. However, that was the point of the series. The movies were great and sent their own messages that eventually led to everything coming full circle. I don’t really understand how people can do strongly hate the first two Home movies when they strongly built up his character.
What a character arc
He was iron Boy in both movies but on homecoming kinda of makes sense
Gonna cry?
Yes , the discord notification sound was necessary
0:21 Discord ping xDDDDD
0:20-0:21 THE DISCORD SOUND GOT ME DEAD.
MCU fans: MCU Spider-Man is not Iron-Boy Jr, you're just a Raimitard
MCU fans now: *SEE SPIDER-MAN IS NOT IRON-BOY JR ANYMORE, THERE WAS NOTHING TO FIX, THEY PLANNED THIS TRILOGY AS AN ORIGIN STORY SINCE THE BEGINNING!*
Literally no one is saying that the past movies were his origin story.... People were just implying that the past sequels were just building up towards Tom "redeeming" himself by learning that consequences do exist, and everything won't last forever.
"literally no one"???????
Bro have you been on the youtube comment section at all? or facebook? or twitter? instagram even????
LMAOOO THE DISCORD SOUND
I never understood peoples problems with MCU Spider-Man being Ironboy Jr. Seeing as how thats exactly what he was in the comics at the start except it was towards the fantastic 4.
No he was never like that in the comics, Peter Parker didn't end up meeting Tony till his college days and at that point Peter didn't think much of Tony
@@CaptainWaldoe Yes. I never said he was idolizing Tony in the comics. I said he was idolizing the Fantastic 4. Ofc they didn't have them in when Peter came into the MCU so who better than Tony.
@@gracklepolp0534 that being said in the movies both homecoming and far from home are purely revolved around iron man and his past so all spidermans villains and triumps pretty much only had because of iron mans mistakes which definatley make it feel like less of a SPIDERMAN movie
@@callumharpur6655 Yeah I can understand that. But they all do eventually become attached to peter and do become his villains in a way. Vulture being Liz's dad and Mysterio getting to befriend Peter and essentially become a new mentor figure. I mean Green-Goblins motive in the 1st Raimi film had nothing to do with Peter or Spider-Man and neither did Doc Ock. Doc Ock didn't really have that much beef with Spider-Man till he needed to kill him for the tridium.
@@gracklepolp0534 yeah thats true about goblin and doc ock but even then their origins and motivation played into what makes them a good villain, it definatley doesnt feel like that in the mcu films they are both pissed at tony and that drives their whole plot and spiderman is just kinda involved because of tony ESPECIALLY in far from home like peter would have had nothing to do with beck if it wasnt for tony randomly giving peter a pair of billion dollar glasses for no reason other than plot. far from home is a good example of how they rely on other heroes in the mcu to have a story
0:21 Wow, Jon Watts can speak discordnish (yeah, I know, it’s a sh*tty joke)
bro u be spitting facts lmao i dont even call the actor by his name i just say iron boy jr. unlike tobey and andrew cuz thats what he is iron boy jr.
There was nothing to really fix. Other people have been saying that, so I’ll say my own take.
The previous two movies were great. People just don’t like how he’s a kid and, as he’s getting his feet off the ground, needs to rely on some other, more experienced, people sometimes. Considering he was in high school for the entire trilogy, it’s a small touch of realism that I like.
People didn’t like him because he’s not like the other two Spider-Men. However, that was the point of the series. The movies were great and sent their own messages that eventually led to everything coming full circle. I don’t really understand how people can do strongly hate the first two Home movies when they strongly built up his character.
The first movie taught him that he didn’t need the suit to be a hero; he didn’t need help to get back on his feet. The second taught him to be himself instead of trying to live up to the expectations set upon you. The third taught him what it means to have a heart and do what’s right. Together, this makes Spider-Man. It was a great origin trilogy and I think that people should really start seeing the great aspects of all three movies as a whole.
@Parvis and even with a "disgrace" of a spider-man, still managed to have two of the highest grossing spider-man movies. interesting huh
@Parvis bro who is Steven 😭😭. Nah, all 3 home trilogy movies were good. Black panther was fine. I agree with you on Captain Marvel. Overall, it’s just opinion. But the majority of people are fine with the Home trilogy and Tom Holland’s Spider-Man. So idk what to tell you bro, they’re pretty liked and enjoyable.
that fuckin discord ping
bro that random discord ping in the audio
Tom Holland's Spider-Man: steals Cap's shield and holds his own in a fight against him, beats Sam and Bucky in a 2 v 1, holds together a collapsing cruise ship, defeats Vulture in his pyjamas after abandoning his prom date to do the right thing, saves the Guardians and gets a few hits in on THANOS in the Titan fight, briefly resists the effects of the snap, holds the infinity gauntlet, takes down Mysterio and a room full of drones having been completely blinded using nothing but his spidersense
Raimi fanboys: haha Iron boy jr
I'll give you the Vulture one since it felt like an actual Spiderman moment. His Spiderman had a lot of potential, the issue isn't always how well on how he many battle he has won against real threats. They just seem to dislike this Spiderman because he treats the quote "With great comes great responsibility" almost like a joke. His motivation of being a hero is the most generic thing you expect from a normal superhero and that's sort of not what makes Spiderman, Spiderman. Tony Stark used to being there and give him as much as his tech support also shows a lack of independence aswell. After watching No Way Home. I have now fully seen his growth a lot bigger than the other two movies. Those were quite my only issues with Mcu Spiderman and glad they fixed it.
@@chiakiwithagun9289 Yeah that's fair enough, although I disagree; I don't really mind Tony's involvement in his early days as he was younger in Civil War then Tobey and Andrew were when they got bitten and that was a few months in at least, plus it makes sense to connect everything in the wider universe, and I feel like Peter learned the independence lesson pretty well in FFH, but I understand why you'd disagree as he is still reliant on Strange and Happy a bit in NWH's first half. Glad you enjoyed the film though and I respect your opinion 👍
@Mr Glass ok Tobey fan boy and Tom blind hater
He was a hero we just didn't know it.
So, so, so right. He finally acted a bit more mature after having been kept to act like a giddy little child despite having already died, faced an evil universe threatening lunatic, having led to the arrest of his crush's Dad. He finally felt like a presence in this universe instead of like so often before where they have so many characters look at MCU Peter like gum on their shoe instead of the respected and appreciated Amazing Spider-Man from the comics. He finally threw punches and felt capable instead of the usual 'um, sir, um' stuttering act they always have MCU Peter doing where he always comes across out of his depth despite comic Spider-Man being the guy to always step up and look the situation in the eye DESPITE always being out of his depth during most of the threats. He finally went back to no-one knowing he's Spider-Man instead of it getting to the point where literally everyone knows he's Spider-Man. He finally made his own suit instead of being Iron Boy Jr. He finally acknowledged in words that 'with great power, comes great responsibility'. Just awesome.
this is literally me
It’s like DMC 2013 and DMC 5 ;)
Have you tried reading the comics, my dear boy?
Lmaoooooo
I've honestly always loved MCU Spidey but to each their own. Dare I say he’s my favorite. I hope people don’t hate me for saying this.
That is literally me
Bro, did we watch the same movies? Both of their endings proved that Holland’s Peter Parker is Spidey, regardless of gadgets. Whether it be him escaping from the rubble with nothing but pure determination, or defeating an army of drones with his eyes closed. But no, let’s not look at the facts, let’s just call him Ironboy Jr. because you have a nostalgia-boner for a trilogy that come out over a decade ago. HiTop Jr. lookin ass
Dumbass, literally a scene where Happy looks at Peter and smiles BECAUSE HE REMINDS HIM OF TONY. Ironboy Jr bs
Same
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