10 Reasons for Pentium 4 Windows 98 DOS Retro Gaming PC
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This video was the start of a hobby for me.
I picked up so many P4 machines at my local flea market years ago for almost nothing. At the time I didn't think too much of them, but I'm glad I held onto them.
They are very versatile 🙂
Believe it or not... a stock Dell Dimension 3000 XP machine, in addition to adding an ATI 9250 PCI card, plays WIN98 games surprisingly well.
Yea and most Windows 98 games run just fine under XP. Sometimes things work even better under XP, for example enabling anti-aliasing, under 98 in many games it doesn't work.
Watching Duke Nukem almost brought tears to my eyes. I loved this game! I lost so many hours of sleep trying to get to the next level. It was sooooo much fun!
Gregg Hernandez hehehe,lol.i have that game and duke nukem project manhattan.
You wonna DANCE? 👭❤🎶🎵💰💰💰
Excelente video Phils!!! Muchas gracias!!! (From Argentina)
Pentium 4 Cpu is a legend that will be unforgettable
Hi Phil, I've been following your channel for a while now and this video inspired me to look up a P4 machine. I have an HP XW4200 workstation on its way. It is socket 478, around 3.2ghz I believe. It comes with Opl3 and soundblaster compatibility, so hopefully I can throw in some MS-Dos gaming. It also has a Radeon HD6670 so games of the early 2000s should look reasonably decent too :) keep up the good work! Daz.
Reminds me of my Pentium 3 - 450mhz back in the day. Came with a whopping 64mb of ram, 32mb TNT2 Ultra/Vivo, 9Gb HDD and a gigantic 17" Adi Viewpoint. $3100 lol.
That sounds a lot like what I had. :) Minus the price... got mine for free, I think... it was a Frankenstein build of various bits and pieces I found chucked away or bought from other computers. (I was a little late to the party, but I got there just in time to experience the older tech)
you clearly didnt know about Celeron 300A to 450 mhz trick right? Would spare you like 400-500$.
@@warrax111 You drove Mendocino too? I drove her till 2010 on WinME. Nothing problem with them, even i had my first facebook account with this machine.
@@jigyjigy9182 No, I had AMD K6-2 500 in that time. Didn't know about mendochino trick. Got rid of it in 2002.
Only down side to these later generation boards is that you have to be careful about the AGP slots. Some of them do not support AGP 1x at all and others have higher voltages that can fry popular retro cards like Voodoo 3/5. If you do go with a P4 build make sure you get a later generation video card. Something like Geforce 4 ti - 6 series or the ATI equivalent. Plus once you start getting past the 1ghz range 99% of all games that would benefit from that will run perfect on Windows XP and have nothing to do with DOS or any real benefit of running on 98.
Well you can use it for a mix from DOS to XP/early XP. And another computer for 7 to 10+.
how about fx5500?
so much nostalgia... the old games.. the frustration of setting up audio on dos game, etc etc
i have my p4 machine somewhere in my storage, maybe i should dig it out some day and boot it up
Really liked this and I dont know why but I never considered Win98 on a P4 until RMC sold those NetVistas. My P4 is running XP, and I now have an IBM Aptiva AMD K6-2 450 that is the Windows 98 rig, but this video has really made me think I could maybe duel boot the P4 for longevity. Very very interesting.
I have had P4s for this purpose since the last 20 years and I also have true Slot1 P3 etc I still use today. I have tons of vintage computer hardware from 486 and up. but I always prefer the Soundblaster FM music over regular Midi
I miss the old PC games can't wait to give you an update ! on after win 98 SE install
Hi Phil!
I am building a pc from this video now, but i use a Medion GeForce3 Ti200 instead.
Thx for the video it was inspiring!
Good to hear from you! You will like the video coming out this week, it's about your video card :D
look forward to :-)
3:30 WOW thanks for that information USB2 only works with certain CPU's. I did not know. I was going to try USB2 and old CPUS, so you saved me lots of time and trouble.
Hi Phils. Is a Voodoo Banshee a good option for this Pc? I am trying to configure my P4 and I have a Asus Agp-v3200. Thanks for everyting.
Hi Phil! First of all thanks for all these excellent reviews, tests and recommendations.
I have a question which perhaps interests other viewers on this Video. The Voodoo 4 4500 are very rare to find and the prices have launched into figures that are inconceivable! What alternative you could suggest that is good performance and compatibility wise with win98 ?
If you want cheap and high quality you can choose between a GeForce 4 ti 4200 4600 or a FX 5500 5700 5900 the ATI 6600 6800 can be good but I don't know about their dos compatibility. For WIn 98 games they will do the job for high res.
Hello! I was considering a P4 Win98/DOS build when I found your awesome video. My board is a GIGABYTE GA-8VM800M-775 which uses a VIA P4M800 chipset. Your video was pretty clear about your preference for INTEL 865 but didn't delve into how problematic other chipsets might be with Win98. Can you let me know your thoughts on my board's suitability for a P4 Win98/DOS build? Always love your content, thanks so much.
Hopefully picking up p4 dell dimension or a hp 5100 today $20 and $30 respectively hoping the HP has a AGP slot.Great videos man.I had a IBM aptiva back in the day.Fav game definitely Dark Reign.
Hey Phil, I recently stumbled across my old blood PC game and got interested in making a retro dos machine.
I've got it MSI Ms 7294 board, p4 3 gigahertz processor, and a Geforce 9500 PCI Express graphics card.
And anything but the lowest screen setting resolution, I experience major stuttering, especially when scrolling horizontally.
Can you tell me what my bottleneck is?
Been messing with this project off and on for some time since the first motherboard I received did not function properly, and I've only had so much time and space to work with. I have built a similar machine, but currently am trying to get a gameport joystick to detect in win98 not sure if I need other drivers or what. Have an "Advanced Gavis Joystick" 3 button two axis joystick, and the interesting Nintendo PC Flight stick. Trying to use the gameport on the "AOpen Cobra Soundcard". Wasn't finding much help elsewhere
You are right about all 10 reasons yes, i did build a P4 retro pc. But after couple of days, one thing was missing.... The love for the system.
My love and passion for Pentium III is off the ruffffff😂😂
Start collecting parts/building a PIII system now
Fair enough :D
PhilsComputerLab Another great video, thank you for this one Phil😁
Im looking at doing this with an old P4 system, only issue is capacitor plague. 2 old p4 systems ive found have bulging caps that im going to have to try and replace and its not really my forte. maybe better off finding a new motherboard.
Found a complete system dumped on the side of the road, so still pretty cheap even 5 years after this video. 😂 ASUS socket 478 DDR333 motherboard, 1.8GHz CPU. Nice and retro - and free! Case was missing the front plastic bits and sides. No problem, pulled everything out and just running it on a bench. Still got the I/O plate for later, which is nice. Should see the prices on eBay for the earlier stuff now - it's pretty rough.
Having Intel when I was a kid was just a dream too. My first three systems were Cyrix P150+ then MII-333 with 8mb SIS on the motherboard then Duron 700 with 32mb TNT2 M64. I have really happy memories tinkering with this stuff.
Would a Voodoo 5 5500 PCI version be ok in a Pentium 4 system regardless of voktage?voltage? Wasn't sure if voltage warning of voodoo cards would apply to the the few pci versions
This brought me back memories. When I was younger, I had multiple PCs: one with an intel 440BX-2 (Pentium II) another one with intel VC820 (Pentium III and 512MB RIMM memory) and an Intel D850EMV2 (Pentium 4, 2GB RIMM IIRC) motherboards. All ran great, however I sold/gave away all of them.
Iam using p4 net vista m42 board nvidia fx5200 win98 se but cant get my sound blaster live ct4780 working
This makes total sense and I think Pentium 4 will be the last platform to truly have any retro status. It's like the last legacy platform but with just enough modern convenience, basically the ultimate retro gaming PC. Literally couldn't resist ordering an old Pentium 4 desktop with AGP graphics after watching this. Thanks for the brilliant advice.
We're nearly at the point where DOSbox will take up the slack, I think.
@Paya Chinglish this. If you get decent Pentium 4, it will handle Dosbox, so you don't have to have ISA card and slow enough machine for some DOS games. As you can go with Windows XP or 7 on that build, and use Dosbox. Dosbox emulate ISA slot, and will handle old DOS games, that wasnt optimalized on faster CPU very easily. For more demanding games, that are later DOS games, you can go to real DOS, with PCI sound card. Those game usually support it. Pentium 4 2+ Ghz would handle those later DOS games very good. Maybe 1024x768 in software render is still not enough, but noone played it in that era on those resolutions. Usually maximum 640x480... all beyond was slide show even on fastest CPU's of last DOS era (Pentium II 300-450). So yes, Pentium 4 can be best and fastest windows98 supported platform, and you can use real DOS in it, with combination of DOSBOX for ISA soundcard issue.
same here, got a Pentium 4 3.0ghz (hp compaq) and a 6600GT with 128mb vram (additionally)
I know I have commented a bit on this video but have been trying to get a Dell Dimension 4600 to run 98. I have been unable to find chipset drivers that don't brick the OS and make it unbootable including safemode. Thinking later and some OEM Pentium 4s are just not meant to run anything but XP/2000.
It has 865G chipset not sure if there is a prayer but if you can help please I am open to suggestions.
I have a Dell demension 8300. It has a pentium 4 2.8 ghz. It has a geforce fx 5200. I have a problem though, when I install Windows 98 se, it says that the graphics adapter is conflicting with another device. It's the system Board extension for acpi bios. I don't know how to fix this.
So with 865 chipset SATA drives are not an issue? Good to know since I have Asus p4p 800-e deluxe with 865pe chipset. Thx
in addition to my PIII system, I also have a Dell dimension 8200 (2002). It has a Pentium 4 running at 2.8 Ghz, 256 MB RDRAM, Nvidia GeForce MX 440 PCI video card from EVGA, and a 2005 Western Digital 80 GB IDE hard drive with only 250 hours on it. The sound cards that I have are the Sound Blaster CT 5780, which is OEM for the PC, and a Sound Blaster SB0090. Both won't work for windows 98 since the drivers only support Windows 2000 or XP. Is there anyway I can combat the situation?
Hey Phil, what PSU are you using? Or if that particular one from this video isn't available which one would you generally recommend for a Pentium 4 2.0GHZ Socket 478 Micro-ATX build?
A modern ATX PSU is the way to go.
which PSU are you using with that Asrock P4i65G board? im getting the same board but having troubles figuring out PSUs, cheers.
Nothing special, just a standard ATX PSU will do the trick :)
This weekend I got my 533FSB P4 2.66Ghz running on a Portwell industrial motherboard with 3 ISA slots, PCI and an AGP slot. It's running WinXP at the moment but I'll dual boot Win98SE soon. In the meantime, I have a P3 933(@700) running with a Creative Labs AWE32. It was a pain getting the autoexec.bat and config.sys setup to load the Sound Blaster drivers and load everything in upper memory, but I made it happen (thanks NOEMS). It has a Geforce FX 5200 which is fine for light Win98SE 3D and DOS tasks. Thanks to +PhilsComputerLab and this great video for showing me the possibilities!
+AshtonColeman Nicely done and thank you for the kind words :) That sounds like a pretty cool motherboard with ISA slots and all.
+AshtonColeman 6600gt has win98se official drivers.
+Barack Smith the 6000 series lost support for fog table and 8-bit palletized textures. I actually bought a Quadro FX 3000 for it which rocks. I also have a 6800GT in the Portwell P4 now too so the best of both worlds.
Great video! 👍🏼
I wasn't expecting much out of that sound card, but damn.. those sound demos were nice!
+Michael Kreitzer The Aureal Vortex 2 is a fantastic sound chip. It was so good that Creative bought the company and killed it all. To this day, if you play A3D surround games with headphones, it competes well with modern CMSS-3D and SBX from Creative.
+PhilsComputerLab indeed, I boycotted creative for a long time over killing A3D. That to this day we remain stuck with simulating 5.1 or 7.1 speakers instead of true positional audio can be tied to that event. It is my hope that VR will pick up where A3D left off. The oculus audio sdk is promising, and Ossic is developing headphones to promise to calculate personal HRTF's!
What really impressed me in this video was the wavetable synth. Can this audio setup handle creative soundfont files? If I recall quite a few win98 era games came with those. One standout for me is the PC port of Final Fantasy 7. If you wanted a true to the original music experience you had to be able to use soundfonts.
And Windows Vista when they killed it for Creative EAX. At least that technology worked quite well, but now we have to use ALchemy for old games and newer games, like you say, simulate speakers, rather than render the audio in 3D.
For loading Creative SoundFonts you're better off with a Live! or Audigy. I actually don't know if the Vortex 2 can load any SoundFonts at all, I just use a wavetable board for that purpose.
It's one of the few cards that has a wavetable header that works under DOS.
I just built a P4 system with 865G motherboard, 512MB RAM and 20GB hdd with Win98 installed. But when I try playing DOS games I get errors like “too big to fit into memory” or “Not enough memory”. Any reason for that? Thanks! Love your channel!
I have two old Dell PC's. One with P4 3.0ghz and one with C2D E4600. Which would be better dos gaming chip?
Any easy to find and reliable P4 boards with one or more ISA card slots? I remember these being existent during that era, but no idea if they're reliable or are currently affordable.
Also, this is about when small formfactor machines started to take off, any recommendations looking for compact systems to serve as retro-gaming machines?
+tom611 There are a ton of uATX Pentium 4 boards. Make sure it's got an Intel chipset.
I have an Asus P5GC-MX 1333, and a Pentium 4 531 3.0hgz, 2gb RAM, a Sound Blaster live, It will work with win98 and a couple of DOS games like Screamer 2, Screamer Rally, etc ?
945GC chipset is too new for 98.
I have an old IBM ThinkCentre desktop, the kind that sits under a monitor. It's a P4 machine into which I put a Prescott 3.8 GHz P4 I had laying around. As far as I know, this is the fastest P4 Intel ever made, but I'm sure that it's the fastest one this machine can accept. It also has Hyper Threading, the original version that nobody seemed to care much for until it was re-introduced with the Nehalem processors.
This machine utilizes a riser card with two expansion slots. One of the slots is a PCI slot, but the other is a PCI-Express slot. It looks like an x16 slot, it's the same physical size, but it's electrically an x1 slot, so if you put an x16 card into it, it won't POST. That is, unless you are smart enough to trick the machine.
I did this by putting electrical tape on all of the pins past the 7th pin. Just cover up all of the pins past the 7th with a piece of electrical tape and gently plug the card in, and it works perfectly as an x1 graphics card. I had a 6600GT laying around, so that's what I used.
I installed Windows 98 on the thing and my goodness does it freaking fly. I wish modern computers were instantly responsive the way that this thing is. I still love 98 and while this hardware is obviously overkill and never meant to be be used with it, it works so much better than I expected.
I once tried Win3.11 on Cel466 with Ati RageII and it was also very fast.
Hi Phil. Àm I correct in assuming that you have no audio on that sound card if you disable cache?
Never tried it. This is really for late DOS games. If you have to disable caches, I wouldn't recommend such a fast machine. A Socket 7 PC is the way to go for such games.
I'm rewatching this video in 2019, I am wondering is this gonna work with Prescott Pentium 4's? The machine in question is a Dell OptiPlex GX520 with Pentium 4 650. I am gonna use PCI cards like a Radeon 9250 that I have lying around as that computer does not have PCIe slots. I have an ESS Solo-1 for audio, and it has all the standard IDE and SATA ports. Provided I stick in a 80GB SATA HDD and a 512mb DDR2 RAM, is this gonna work?
I recently rehashed an old Pentium 4 computer for DOS and Win9x gaming. Just a question: Is there any PCI sound card that has good SoundBlaster support (SFX) and good FM synthesis audio that works with the i845/865 chipsets?
+villahed94 Probably a Yamaha based PCI card.
Really want to build a retro PC, was going to go for top end Pentium 3 but this makes a lot of sense. Just concerned I need to get the spec right so that older games are still compatible. Want to span 1996 through to about 2000 maybe 2002 at a push. What do you recommend? I want as fast a processor as possible, no idea what motherboard or the best graphics card to go for, what do you recommend? Reliability and compatibility are the priority for me.
There are 400 Videos to explore :D I recommend you research a bit more, I'm happy to answer specific questions, but I don't have the time for individual consultations.
@PhilsCompuerLab
You mentioned that only 1.5V supporting GPUs would work with Pentium 4. Is that only the case with this particular processor or does that apply to other builds? I'm building a Wind 98SE gaming PC around AMD Sempron 2800+ (2.0 GHz) and I'm gonna use AMD 9600 Pro, do you by any chance know if this setup is all good and dandy? I wouldn't want to risk frying some of that stuff :D
It depends on the motherboard and chipset, not on the CPU! Go for an older Pentium 3 system to be sure.
PhilsComputerLab
Mobo: ASRock K7VT6-C with VIA KT600 Chipset
Appreciate the answer and help :)
I do have a very flaky ASUS P4B266 rev 2.0 which only turns on if you touch the ground of the battery so I dunno, I'll try soldering it to ground manually.
But my main question is - do you think a Socket A board would fill in this place too? I have a Gigabyte 7NF-RZ board with a Sempron XP I think.
Pentium 4 is still a nice low end alternative since it has SSE2 extensions so you can run all your modern stuff on it as well.
+xan1242 Socket A should be just as suitable, but there are a few platform specific little issues. I've got a project on my list, so I'll talk about it one day.
I love the LGA775 socket, you can spec out one of those from P4 to Core2Quad.
+The Examined Life (of Gaming) Windows 98 has no PCI-E support, and Intel chipsets from i910 has no win98 drivers. But ASUS P5PE-VM is the best choice - i865G AGP chipset with win98 support and cpu from any s775 P4 or Pentium D to Conroe based Core 2 Duos (E6xxx in overclock mode because of 1066 MHz FSB), Pentiums and Celerons.
+Jure L most P965 boards do that, golden middle of 775)). From top end some 3rd and 4th series boards supports (unofficial) P4 (ASUS P5E3 for example). From low end, latest i945GC boards supports Wolfdale core. So it is not a problem, at all.
+The Examined Life (of Gaming)
Celeron D of Single core does be a "Better High-end".
But I am sure that's "Best Motherboard of 98SE High-End" is Gigabyte GA-8S661FXM-775 or AsRock 775VM800Pro-DDR2/775i65G R3.0 (All of boths are be Included Drivers for Windows 98 but Newest Revision does be Support All Celeron D's CPU's)
But if you want playing that's 7300GT (82.69) or 6200 LE (81.93) [256MB or 512MB|AGP] would be better workouts than a ATi's olders Graphics cards (Last is a: 9800,Seriously - That's is from 2003.)
Maximum RAM for 98SE workout it's a 1156MB without Modificate or 2048MB/3072MB with Modificate. (DDR2 would be fastest than DDR,when Can be work both. - Because that's is RAM not HDD Connect.)
PATA 133 it's does depend for HDD. (SATA doesn't works.)
DVD Burner can be works on Windows 98.
Now some motherboards can be works with "Stock AC'97 Codec"
+4nuk8r Celeron D is single core. No need to read your speech after that. Another fairy tale.
"D" is for rookie users, like you. Just to make you buy cheap "Pentium D".
I've been having a go at doing this myself, bought a cheap P4I65G, a sound blaster live, an AGP Radeon 5500 and some other stuff i had lying about. Having a lot of problems with BSOD though. At one point I had everything setup and working then tried to install drivers to get the USB ports usable, but as soon as I did this windows would bluescreen and i'd have to reboot and got stuck in this cycle. Actually wondering whether the ASrock motherboard drivers are the problem www.asrock.com/mb/intel/p4i65g/#Download , as windows identifies the processor correctly until I install these drivers. Forget how hard it can be getting this stuff to work!
So I'm building a PC almost entirely identical to this one, thanks greatly for making this video and giving me a good list of components to search for. So my list of components are all the same as yours with the exception of my video card which is an iconic GeForce 6200 and as well, I'll have a real floppy drive instead of the emulator. I do have questions about this setup though. First off, have you ran into, or know of, any games that will conflict with this hardware and simply not work? Also, with the Vortex 2 sound card, when you have the DreamBlaster S1 attached, is there any assistant drivers required for this sound card to read that wavetable card or is it natively supported(I've never used a wave table daughter board so...)?
+Coniferynx That's awesome! Ok let's see what we can do. With the graphics card, check that there are Windows 98 drivers. If there are, it should work. There might be issues with some games when using newer graphics cards and drivers, just got to test. I had one issue with Incoming, only older Nvidia hardware would render it correctly. They changed something with newer hardware.
You don't need special drivers for the wavetable board, but the drivers for the Vortex 2 need to be installed.
+PhilsComputerLab Man, I appreciate the reply! I've got a pretty small, limited list of late DOS games and Win95/98 games that I want to use this computer for so I would doubt I run into issues. As well, I understand screen resolutions can become weird with older games. I have an LCD monitor at 1680x1050, it's just a spare screen that I've got sitting around that I thought about using with this setup. Will I see issues with this resolution/aspect ratio?
+Coniferynx Yes you will have issues with such a screen, unless the screen has aspect ratio controls. Meaning some screens have a setting to letterbox the screen with bars on the left and right. Easiest to test is setting the resolution to 1024 x 768. But careful on new systems the video card could do this for you and you think the monitor does it. Just play around with that when you have your Windows 98 setup. Older 17" or 19" squarish screens are good way around these issues.
I have have used ScummVm to run my adventure game collection but have been keen to run Tie Fighter CE, Dark Forces 1 and 2. Do you know if a P3/P4 causes these to run to fast?
I know that some of the Tie Fighter games have speed issues. Not sure about DF though.
Hey, I am going to get a PC, along with a P4 that has hyperthreading, clocked at 3.06ghz and an ordinairy P4 clocked at 2.2ghz and 1gb of ram, it comes with xp, but will i be able to install 98se and get good results? Thanks!
It should work! But there is only one way of finding out :)
Just a follow-up here, got the computer built with the same specs, got windows 98 se installed but would freeze up at the splash screen. I could boot up in safe mode but shortly after attempting to restart, my computer stopped being able to POST. I far I trashed the stock PSU. I'd like to know what watt rating the PSU is that you used in this video. Mine was 300w.
+Coniferynx It's a 500W PSU from FSP.
Very good arguments. Socket 478 celerons are also a good choice.
Fuckin dope dawg. Love that Midi sound. Wish more games nowadays would imitate Midi sounds over the almost cliche 8 bit sounds man. Sounds so gooooooddddd!!!!
I have a pentium (r)4 2.66GHZ x86 chipset family 15 model 4 stepping 7, with a D101GGC motherboard and an ATi X550 Hyper Memory 512M graphics cardin my old computer, but I couldn't find the drivers that would let me play games on it. Do you think you can help me?
I have a Dell dimension e310 with a p4 gt, 1 1x pcie, 2 pci, sada and ide, is this good for windows 98
can you do 10 reasons for Amd Athlon Xp and WIn98
Is possible install Windows 98 from a DVD or a USB drive or i must only use the CD? If i'm luck, i try to get an original Win98 SE copy
Lots of options. You can just boot from a floppy, or prepare the HDD in another machine inside a VM. But CD is by far the easiest option!
Hay Phil have you ever considered using a ASUS P5P800-VM? it is a 775 socket that uses the agp 865 chipset. i am thinking about dual booting windows 98 and win 10 on it.
I might have a board like that, not sure if it's Asus. There are some that even take Core 2 Duo CPUs. Quite niche, but very interesting that's for sure.
I'm curious to find out, philscomputerlab if your into retro gaming, wouldn't it be easier to use really old laptops (the cheap ones that nobody uses anymore) on second hand sites like ebay etc? Surely you can grab something like an IBM thinkpad T41? apparently this supports windows 98...
+Alex Elliot Yes they would work fine. But you can't change the graphics card or sound card. And I like doing that. But if you want to play a certain game and you're not as crazy, and as much into retro gaming, as I am, then a notebook should work really well. Much simpler to get going too.
Phil, are there any secrets in getting USB 2.0 to work in Windows 98SE? On my socket 775 platform (ASRock 775i65g/3.0), the Win98 chipset driver fully supports USB 2.0, but I often run into resource conflicts and blue screens once I install graphics/sound cards and their associated 98SE drivers. I know there are possibly infinite reasons why getting USB 2 to work is tough in Win 98 (drivers, limited IRQs/resources, etc). At the moment, I have to disable the USB 2.0/Enhanced Host Controller Interface in 98SE. I turn off all of the legacy stuff except for the IDE interfaces. I dual boot my machines with Windows 98SE and Windows XP, and generally use Windows XP for any USB 2.0 data transfers, since it works so well. Oddly enough, I have been successful at getting USB 2.0 to work with older Windows 98 laptops (i.e., Gateway Solo 2150) using CardBus adapters. By the way, your channel is awesome.
Could be an issue related to that specific board, not sure...
How about an old desktop that I have enough has a celeron 2.0 ghz with an AGP slot. If I could find a good AGP card, I was thinking of making it a retro windows 98 pc. The BIOS date says like 1-24-2003
as i am watching this , i find it rather interesting that people my age and younger want to run their old games again, but when i had my old machine , thea pressure was to upgrade , always up grade . i got a 386 and that was up graded to a 486 untill the 10 meg hard drive gave up the ghost . good show there .
Ha, I remember the need to upgrade as well. At least we got a decent upgrade, I mean going from a 486 to a Pentium 166 for example was a huge upgrade.
But do you remember how many DOS games didn't work properly with Windows and PCI sound cards? That was an issue for me back in the day. I dual booted for a while and hung on to my ISA Sound Blaster for that reason.
diddn use it for games but did have many problems with apps , however that was the old open seagte frame hd crashing whenever the weather changed or i deleted or installed things . the rig was used to control a old school printing press. hem the amber monitor had screen burnin as the prior owners couldnt turn off the monitor whilst the printing press , oops along came wordstar and obsoleted that machine , thus i got my first computer .:)
Hi, I'm thinking of doing a proper build for windows 98 with a Gigabyte 8IPE1000 PRO motherboard and a 2.4GHz P4 and roughly 1GB or lesser RAM, but i need to change the capacitors me thinks, i get a 1 long beep and 2 short beeps pre POST, hope that will do the trick, but anyway I wanted to ask about the sound and GPU. Does the Sound Blaster PCI 128 work fine with DOS? And what would you prefeere, i own 4 AGP gpu's but would like to know the best bet for win98, NV MX440SE 64MB, NV FX5200 128MB, Radeon 9600L 128MB and an Radeon X1950PRO 512MB, though i think there is no driver for win98 for the x1950. Would like to hear your thoughts, thanks. :)
I did it i finally got a p4 laptop just repair and fixed it finishing updates in win xp then i will try to install win 98 SE on it?
Hello, Phils I have nearly exact the same stuff, but I'm struggling in taking out the Cpu fan, can you give me some instruction? And btw My motherboard does support SATA , but I plugged a sata drive in , but it doesn't recognize it.
If it's the stock Intel cooler, that one can be a pain. You got to release the levers, then pry away the 4 plastic latches. I use a screw-driver most of the time.
With the SATA drives, this could be for a lot of reasons. Make sure the SATA controller is set to IDE mode or something like that.
I am planning to build a gaming P4 machine, but I have some doubts. I am considering a P4 651 with 1GB DDR2 PC-5300, ASUS P5V-X SE motherboard and ATI X300SE 128MB graphics. Do you think it'll even run on W98? As for hard drive, I'll use 60GB HDD. I have a genuine W98 SE CD. Regards :)
Yea it's too new, won't work with 98.
My windows 98 box is a socket A machine, with USB 2.0. Its blazing fast in win98se and has sata should I ever want to use that, and I have several video cards for it from gf4 Ti-4600 to FX-5950 Ultra, and Radeon 9600 pro as well as 9800 XT/256, also have both a diamond monster sound for A3D but rarely use it, mostly run a SB Live! SB-0060 which works great also for dos stuff. I do have a P4 but as an XP machine with Radeon x1950 pro AGP 512mb.
Well my Retro-System is Intel 440BX Board with P3 600MHz and two Voodoo 2 SLI and I am really happy with it.
Who knew those old P4 1.4 GHz CPUs were still useful.
Better chose an Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice) which has 1.8 GHz but is rated like a P4 3.0 GHz
@PhilsComputerLab How were you able to install Windows 98 on a SATA drive?
don't use AHCI(usually option to change in bios), change it to Native/Compatibility mode
I have some of these AsRock mobos, 2 P4i65G and 2 P4i65GV (the variant with the propietary AGI slot), i'm not currently using any of them except for some planned build since i already have P4 builds made with better/higher end mobos (ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe, Abit AI7, Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000-G...), i have many (actually kinda too many) P4s, just like 120 of them i think from a 1.5 Willamette up to a 3.8 GHz P4 670
Hello
I have the same mother card "ASRock P4I65G" with a P4 NEW
is what this Writer "GH24NSD1 LG" is compatible with Windows 98 ???
Thank you
Try it out.
Hi Phil,
Does the Aureal A3D only work on Windows 98? Is there no way to get it to work on 2000 or xp? Thanks
+Storm Gaming Media Good question, not sure to be honest. I don't think it works under XP though. A3D is one of the reasons why I build Windows 98 gaming machines. However, there is a really awesome person working on a new driver for this card, so this might change in the near future :)
Hi, I'm wondering if a 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 would do good for retro gaming? I don't need to max games out, I just want to play the games on 1280x1024.
+BoxFanKlik Absolutely!
what bout Pentium 4 HT ? I read that I have to disable HT for Win9x and older ? Any chance that the BIOS won't allow disabling HT ?
Windows 98 only supports single thread, so HT will just not function. If there is a BIOS option, yea disable it for best practice.
Hi Phil, I just bought a Diamond Monster MX300 card because you recommended it, but it's bitching about not being on the primary PCI bus. Because of this it disables DOS support, MPU-401, joystick and some other things. I've tried all PCI slots on my P4 machine and it makes no difference. Is there a way to fix this? Also, have you tried using this card with just DOS and no Windows?
+Lawn Mower Hi! Yes, this is a well known issue. Firstly, congrats on the card!
Ok this is what you need to do:
Unpack the driver that you want to install. Then get the INF tweaks. These are modified INF files, that sort out this PCI issue. There are several, some of disabling Sound Blaster emulation, and so on. Just copy the modified INF file that you need into the unpacked driver folder (overwriting the existing INF).
Then install the driver again, and it will work.
You can get the files from VOGONS driver archive or form my site:
www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=448&menustate=
www.philscomputerlab.com/aureal-vortex-2.html
Let me know how you go!
+philscomputerlab The INF file removed the error, but then the installer demanded files that only exist in other drivers and it became a huge mess. I got everything from the Diamond Monster control panel crashing, to blue screens, to memory errors.
I got sound in DOS for a short while (and it sounded really nice) but it's way too unstable and I was unable to get my Gravis Gamepad Pro to work at all. I think I'll just have to give up on Aureal cards. I had a "real" Aureal Vortex 2 card before and it was almost as problematic as this card.
Are there any other decent PCI cards I can use? Or is it better to just hold out for an older PC with ISA slots? Sound Blaster Live! seems to be relatively compatible, but I read it has bad sound quality because of its sample-rate conversion.
That's a shame that you have so many issues :( I feel a bit bad, but I had nothing but good experiences.
Well for DOS, you certainly can't go past an ISA Sound Blaster, that's for sure.
I never had much luck with the Live!. Mostly because I seem to have OEM cards with impossible to find drivers.
What's the best way to get DOS games now? I wish I could find a floppy disc image of Lemmings.
+Pumpkinhead77 Google the name of the game and abandonware. You will find pretty much all DOS games that way. If they are sold on GOG, please buy them, you support a good cause :)
Hard to find P4 motherboards with ISA slots for using DOS compatible sound cards, what solution would you have for this?
***** Is this using DOSBox? I was unaware there were PCI sound cards that worked well in native DOS using the SoundBlaster 16 model. I have a SoundBlaster PCI 64 but running games in DOS natively always had problems.
James Eldridge Hi! I did indeed use a PCI soundcard, an Aureal Vortex 2 based card. The driver will install the DOS drivers as well. I just had to add AU30DOS.COM to my AUTOEXEC.BAT and all was good :)
Note that especially very old games might not work well, but that's not what this machine is for. Anything half modern, from Doom or so onwards, should work fine. The Vortex2 also has a wavetable header, I'm using a DreamBlaster S1 for some nice General MIDI music :)
LOL after watching this video I thought to myself, hmmmm I remember seeing a p4 system that came out of one of the data centers for my job. Looked in the back and found it, dusty as all hell with bunnies that were larger then I have ever seen. But its a P4 Dell Optiplex gx240 and there are windows 98 drivers on the dell web page for it! Also found a Rage 128 card inside as well. Gonna get this guy going.
how it ended? Did you re-use it at least little? Is it still working?
@@warrax111 Wow never saw this comment but i guess late better then never. Yes the system is still working and I compleatly refubished it. Its actually my main win98 box now.
@Alexander Ratisbona Speed is not really important since its running windows 98 and not XP. This system is a beast for 98 as it is a late gen p4.
@@treahblade thank you for leting know. :) Sometimes, youtube notification doesn't work, particulary on older comments.
excelente phill saludos desde venezuela
Forget the previous question! Now I just realized that on the Benchmarks you already mention some alternatives!
Anything from 3dfx is now quite expensive. I just got them many, many years ago, when nobody cared much.
No support for 3dfx voodoo 5 5500 or voodoo II with Pentium 4 system?
There are many Pentium 4 boards with universal AGP slots, so not an issue. I have a system compatible with 2.8 GHz Northwood.
i had something similar some years ago,but problem was with old dos games,like 1993\4 era...they were TOO fast!any workaround ?
+Zontar82 Speed sensitive DOS games are not really going to work on this machine. You could disable the CPU cache or run such games in DOSBox though.
What PICe graphic card works best with Win98se ?
none
Hi Phil, watching your videos makes me want to build a Windows 98SE Gaming PC.
I have an old hardware a Socket 775 Gigabyte GA-8VM800M-775 that is based on Via P4M800 chipset with a Celeron D 2.66Ghz.
Is this chipset, Via P4M800 a good choice for a Windows 98SE Gaming PC? Should I upgrade also to Pentium 4? or a Celeron D is enough.
Thanks and already subscribed.
For Pentium 4 / Celeron I recommend an Intel chipset board.
Ok I will take note on that. Another question, is the Geforce 6200 256mb AGP a good choice for Windows 98SE since a friend have this and Im planning to buy it?
A decent speed Pentium 4 is a bit overkill for playing DOS games on Windows 98 though. A Pentium 2 or 3 would suffice 😜
Enjoyed this, cheers.
Hallo Phil, I totally want this, and I have a pentium 4, but I have big problems installing win 98 from usb on the C: sata drive. When I use the boot disk, the sata drive with 500 mb only has 8 mb total disk space.. and has disk letter D, where the USB has disk letter C. what is wrong..
Would a ASRock 775i48 LGA775 Motherboard be any good for Windows 98? It has full sport for Windows 98Se and it has AGP :) I was also wondering if a GeForce 6800GT 256 Mb AGP would be any good ? Thanks :) Also Grate video BTW :)
+kinkykane0607 Very interesting board. Yes, it would work very well. 6800GT is extremely powerful. IMO too fast / new for a Windows 98 machine. What games do you want to play? A GeForce2 already has plenty of performance for Windows 98 games.
Really like your voice Phil ;)
Picked up a P4 the other day off Freecycle. Puzzled me as it has some older parts. Think it may have been someones old upgrade machine. Not sure what I will do with it. Case is horrid so can either part up older bits into my P2 / P3 or could source an old case and install '98.
I have a refurb Abit Fatal1ty AA8XE mobo with a P4 3.2 up and running. I slapped an old Sb Live into her. I am just wondering what video card would be a good match for a win 98se gaming machine. As I only have PCIE slot for video. I bought this mobo back in 2007 and it's been sitting in the box all brand new looking. I got bored and put it together the other day. It's running great with a GTS 8800 320 meg vid card. Somehow I think i will have problems with that card in win 98. What do you think guys?
GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB is the upper limit for Windows 98 and even then only specific driver versions will work well. Would have to read through some forum threads to find the right ones for that card. Not sure about ATI or other brand cards.
Does it make a any difference whether hyper-threading is enabled or not?
Haven't noticed anything.
the boot disk for installing win98 also serves to install windows 95 and has support for a USB keyboard and mouse different from the DOS 622c boot disk ... I have the original DOS 622C floppy disks that install on HD and windows 95 on diskettes if you want to pass you and an english version that i found in the old the pirate by ... i also have norton ghost 2002 if you need to and just talk.
Nice machine! I hopped on the PC bandwagon post-StarCraft, so my retro goals are for XP-era/late Win9x instead of DOS.
I put together an i7-2600, 16GB RAM, and an HD6870 on an Intel H board, from old parts of mine excepting the i7 at $25. Sure, XP can only use ~3.5GB of that, but dual-booting with Pop OS makes this an all around general purpose machine when not retro gaming.
Star Trek Armada never ran so well for me as it does now, and other titles like X-Wing Alliance and anything Quake III-adjacent is amazing. Serious Sam is a similar delight.
GOG is great for reassembling your retro collection, but watch out for custom ddraw.dll and other support files in your game’s base folder that break games on XP. Rename them to .bak and they should run with occasional exceptions.
CPU Grab is a useful utility if you are running a game that runs too fast. Streets of SimCity is a perfect example, as without running this tool, cars constantly hop and the physics are wrecked.
It’s 2023 and I’m back here after my old Pentium 2 and 3 machine broke down so finding either one of them is harder and need some time. Meanwhile, I saw an Asus SOCKET 478 board with SIS chipset for very cheap so I decided to try it out.
Eventually it turns out well despite a non Intel board.
The specs here are:
Asus P4S-333VM SIS Chipset Socket 478 Motherboard
Intel Pentium 4 Willamette 1.7Ghz Processor
512MB DDR RAM
Inno3D Nvidia FX5500 128MB Graphics Card
Sound Blaster Audigy PCI
Intel Pro 100 PCI Ethernet Card
Windows 98 SE.
Just picked up an Intel D865G P4 motherboard for this purpose, going SSD sata HD and setting up with a real floppy for the back in the day experience.
Is a sound blaster live from around 2002 a good sound card for a build like this?
Yea that should work fine.
Ok thanks