5 Favorite Mix Buss Plugins - Into The Lair # 114
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- Dave Pensado shows you his top 5 favorite mix buss plugins for 2014 in the 114th Into The Lair.
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I just spent 500$ on plugins because I was watching this. Everything happened so fast, I couldn't control it
David Cote Role with it. Better than buying drugs and causing trouble
haha i feel you
Same here
😂😂😂😂
Good that u didn't crack
Absolutely love this show!
00:10 McDSP ML4000
00:24 L2 UltraMaximizer
01:28 SSL G-Master Buss Compressor
02:04 (EQ - UA EQ4)
03:14 Steven Slate VBC (FG-MU)
04:40 Steven Slate FG-X
05:24 Ozone 5 Mastering Suite
06:48 Massenburg Design Works
"Play the music and turn the knobs" Best advice EVER!
LOL
haha...Dave's examples are always so short...."ok watch what this plugin does, it's so amazing..." and then it's like "BABY WE ARE ----" did you hear that?? SOOO great, I love what they're doing here....ok here it is one more time" "BABY WE A-----" "So yeah, try that at home folks, it will change your world" lol too funny
LMAOOOOOOOOOO DEADASS
Lmao
LOL
"yep. that was bustaaa rhymes."
"Great song, Busta killed it"
Didn't know good ol' Pensado was into hip-hop! Big ups, my man.
have you checked his resume?
Obviously not... what kind of idiotic attempt to patronize me was that?
Terkel1994 gooby pls
Terkel1994 dont worry about these haters, wow they are grumps
He's a mix engineer. I've never met one who didn't like virtually everything.
You guys need to check this one. There's big chunks of audio missing. When Dave is going over the FG-X plug, you can't hear any of his vocals. Just a mouse floating around stopping on stuff randomly.
+Stephen Harrell possibly an copyright issue
A copyright issue for the same piece of track we've heard over and over?... I think when there's a copyright-issue, TH-cam will mute the entire audio-track, not just a part.
There were issues with editing this video. At one point the face-camera also turned small.
It seems like there's audio missing from parts of this video. Dave is mousing over things and there is no talking or anything going on, for long periods that doesn't seem intentional
ol` grampa donut nuw wat to say
Damn you guys are picky. :D
Of course since we're into audio, that's only a good thing so kudos to you gents, but hey now, seriously there's only like 30secs of audio missing on Dave showing the Slade Digital FG-X.
This video got me thinking, gotta a question to all Pro Tools users:
Do you guys drive the channel signals as loud as Dave does on this one i.e. in the (metering) reds for example in the mixing stage, Or only in the mastering (if at all)?
Overall, there seems to be so many different takes on this one:
While mixing, how loud are your levels, do you guys drive your channels all the way to the reds, or keep em in the green/yellow "zone"?
Cos while I sometimes drive the drums to the reds, overall I sort of have this rule of thumb of avoiding it as much as possible and letting the mastering plugs handle the driving, but then again I know some guys who really push their signals in the mixing process.
What's your take on this one?
Fact is that it`s better to have less to drive more later, rather then have too much to try reduce on mastering. I`m trying to have average at all. Then on master drive to max.
J.M. Wolfman You should get it to the orange just for good levels, at least thats what I do. Pro tools as a software gives you 3 dB of headroom when clipping, so a little bit of red is alright because you might not actually be clipping due to the headroom. But Dave was going pretty hard TBH
He solo'd his camera-image smaller... > 7:43
Not a fan of dynamic range I see.
What you talking about - he had nearly 2db there!
couldn't hear anything during the second slate, fabrice gabriel plugin.
that's the first thing i said. ."hold up was that busta?!" Dave:"Yes, that was busta" lol
Thanks again for your knowledge Dave!
I love ozone as well super flexible. My favorite plugin to slap on really any bus that needs it would have to be the pultec pro legacy from UAD. That son of a gun is just like a warm glue it together tool
Curious if mixes into these plug ins, or adds them at the end?
How comes you're using more than one limiter? (L2 and the maximizer within Ozone)
That sounds terribly distorted. Are you adding these plugs before mastering?(2:52) I am sure the mastering engineer will love you for that.... ;)
That's modern Hip Hop for you, mate. At least to my ears all (or 95%) modern hip hop records sound totally fckn smashed up.
J.M. Wolfman thats the vibe of the track... you can see the levels and it's got plenty of dynamic range....
Lord i just put the maag after i was almost done with the mix and master and hey yes baby thats such a difference, just these litte 0.5 db steps...wow
I don't know how that Busta would sound with out that noise you constantly have in the system but it surely wouldn't sound better and so alive and powerful .. I hate sterile plastic hollow sound ... tnx for the tips..
“Some plugins will work for you *a lot* more than others”. It’s funny how that works. I own a lot of plugins....but there are a few that end up on EVERY session. The “first call, A list” stuff. For me, that’s Pro-Q2, Pro-C2, VMC, VTM, MJUC, echoboy, valhalla and the various CLA signature stuff. In the grand scheme of things, that’s not a lot of software. That’s probably just over $500 all in (I buy EVERYTHING on sale)...and I know, for a fact, that those will work every time for me, period. If you took everything else away, of course it would suck. But I could get by...
I'm a newbie, can someone explain to me what a mix buss is? Is it just a buss channel that every single track in the project is being sent to?
Yup
Modern music is at three levels when mastered. 1)Loud 2)Louder and 3)Holy Shit My ears are bleeding!). :(
analogjazz project Username checks out
What you hear online is -14 LUFS and it is mastered for that.
@@harleensingh2531 Literally nobody masters to -14 LUFS. Streaming normalization just mean the shitty masters everyone's making will be heard at the same level.
Not that -14 LUFS is particularly great anyway, go back to CDs from the 80s and they're all -16 to -20
@@MrMahn21 Hey thanks for your reply! I have actually seen a lot of people mixing at -14 LUFS and most of the people master even hotter than that.
What happened to the punch of the kick when you added the L2 in front of the SSL???????
That wonderful L2 mush. :p
Gotta love em mix knobs. Everytime I see a dry/wet on a plug i get excited
thanks Dave. always appreciated man.
That maag looks a lot like the luftikus or vice versa. Thoughts? Have you used the luftikus?
Can anyone clarify something for me? I'm a semi-avid (no pun intended 😳) Dave Pensado follower... How can you not love the guy?! But one thing I never understand about any video Ive ever see of him mixing is how crushed his 2buss always is. Does he just only show a "For Client" Mix Buss where he's limiting heavily so they can get a feel of the track post-mastering? Or does he really print mixes that hot? If anyone knows or if Dave or Herb see this, I'd love to know. Thanks guys and keep the fantastic videos coming! :-)
Exactly what I was wondering as well.
he's mixing with those plugs on the stereo bus. most haters will tell you thats wrong, but I've been doing that for years and it works well. It's a way of getting everything to sit well in the mix. What I do is get all the levels and effects on the individual tracks sitting as close as possible to perfect, then I go to the stereo bus and tweak. after mixing down, the mastering process should be very simple, just a little EQ, and maybe some more compression if needed. He's got a lot of plugs on his stereo bus because each one adds a little something different. In this video he makes it seem like hes using a lot of different limiters and compressors and Im not sure if hes actually using them all together. It wouldn't be wrong to use all of them, but personally I'd never have more than 4 plugs: a compressor, an eq shaper, maybe something to add color (really another compressor) and then a limiter.
Doni My question has nothing to do with his 2Buss processing. Im not asking how or why he does what he does on his 2Buss. Im specifically talking about his gain staging and RMS/Peak levels. We've never seen him gain stage a mix, or at least I haven't. Every time I see Dave's MixBuss its either clipping or almost clipping. We've all used a "Client Aux" before (which would make sense in these videos) but it legitimately looks like his MixBuss. I just don't understand how you can print a mix thats pinging the clip light. Theres no headroom for the Mastering Engineer to work. It HAS to be a ClientBuss. Thats the only thing that makes sense.
I don't think these sessions are his exact, final mixing sessions.
In order to screencapture the session, it has to be trimmed down to a manageable size I guess.
Probably his assistant is cleaning up the sessions, bouncing to tracks to show the technique.
You should've noticed the track counts are not crazy in these videos.
İlter Kalkancı I disagree. I think all his normal tracks are there. Look on the left in the Track Window and you can clearly see its a normal session. He's just choosing to size the screen in accordance with his Rough Mix, SubMaster, MixBuss, and Print Track. All he's gotta do it click on the dot to hide any track in the session. You'll never see a full session on his screen for legal reasons. But just to reiterate my point, every track in the Track Window thats clipping turns red…. At 1:30 you can clearly see his "RuffMix", "Master 1", "Mix Bus", and "Print" tracks are red and clipping in addition to his "All Vox", "All Music", and "All Drums" aux sends…. Im mystified.
PLZ, Help a newbie! I've downloaded some plugins, but they came in ".dll" how do I put it to work in Pro Tools????
.dll aren't the actual plug ins.
They don't work in Pro Tools. You are trying to use VST plug-ins.
Pro Tools require RTAS plugins I suppose. .dll are usually put in C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VstPlugins or C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins depending on your DAW preferences.
Hey, great video! Btw, would anyone be able to suggest some analog Eq's for mastering from waves? I've been enjoying tape & comp plugins like the j37 & dbx 160, but for mastering eq I've always used the linear phase Eq or the L316. I was wondering if waves has any mastering equalizers that are models of actual units? Thanks everyone :)
Dave! can you make please review about your room acoustic treatment ?
BUSTA BUST
And I was feeling guilty of having too many plugins on my mix buss hahaha!
What about the noise you get with the Slate digital VBComps? Any suggestions?
Isn't the FG-MU supposed to be a Fairchild 670 and Manley Vari Mu combination?
So you're adding all this mix bus stuff before sending it to mastering? Isn't compression/limiting/equalization on the master bus the mastering engineers job?
naa, final step of mastering, cause there are vocals too :)
you job as a mixing engineer is to mix the track, which means get it sounding as close to perfect as possible before sending it to mastering. think of it as a writer finishing an article before sending it to an editor. Now, putting nothing on your stereo bus would be like sending your editor an article without using spell check or formatting. maybe the mastering guy can get it where it needs to be, but it wouldnt be as good. feeling pretty proud of that analogy right about now haha
+1 for the Maag EQ4 and EQ2 combo.
Adding Reverb on your Master channel is it a good thing to Do?
He's just showing some plug in she uses sometimes that he likes 2 the mix isn't distorted just bus's vox for style 3 I'm pretty sure these records don't get sent to mastering and are mastered in the mix. Then leveled for whatever tape
Is your mix bus actually pusing at -0.2?? How does the mastering engineer do his job?
you get it keep working at it
dave your technikal genius....your mixing depth is ridikulous...
Cool thanks. Dave, maybe U should consider better DAW already tho :)
He's using Pro Tools, the industry standard
Wow sounds like that Maag EQ has a really sweet top end.
am I the only person who thinks this sounds pretty clipped?
It is hard to know since we only hear a 3 sec snippet of material. Maybe that is just what the sound is like. But The waveforms look like they were pegging the meters on the way in.
Hey dave thank s from brazil!! Great tuts! !
One plug he should have mentioned is the TS2 from Wave Arts.
You know, ive been playing around with that RED compressor lately since it came with my Focusrite 2i2 years ago. And I was playing around with it on my drum bus and I noticed it sounded really good as mix bus or drum bus. I noticed that it sounded really punchy, clear ...and in some weird way like an SSL compressor. So I stared looking info about that plugin since I didn't see almost anybody using it. I couldn't find any information like what instruments benefit from it and stuff like that ...until this past month I stared to hear a lot of ppl saying thats the fav mix bus compressor for Chris lord alge. Funny thing is I just went to Steven slate website to check the price for the VBC and in the description he talks about the RED compressor saying the settings that CLA told him to use and for my surprise that is exactly the setting I was using except for the auto release. So I honestly can say that the RED compressor is a good compressor not because I see a famous engineer using it ..rather cuz my ears tells me that it sounds good. Im not that type of person that buy something just cuz another person is using it.
Wow, that massenburg eq is ridiculous. dope.
YOU ROCK!
Thank you!
A millionaire bunch, I must say.
Really great selection.
But I must say that the material for this vídeo can't let me hear a real improving effec from those plugins.
The material is full of harmonics and seems to have suffered bit degradation on that voice...
Great material for a finished work.
I noticed the Universal Audio plug-in do you use their cards?
Of course he does. How else would he run them?
Henrik Petersson Wasn't sure if it was just a VST plug-in. Could be any audio interface if that where the case. Are plug-ins from Universal Audio specific to their hardware?
John LaFosse I found a search about using the plug-ins without the card and this is what someone answered:
Re: UAD-1 Plugins - use without card?
Hello, you can't transfer the plugins anywhere exactly, but the plugin software / drivers are not what you actually pay for, you pay for the licenses to run the plugs and these are still yours even if you sell the card - you might for instance buy another card in the future and carry on using your licenses with it then. So, you can sell the card now without any plugins and leave the licenses on your UA account for the future, or you can sell them with the card...
Chas
So, he maybe using a Pro Tools interface and UAD plug-ins. Entirely possible.
John LaFosse I can also see the confusion seeing on their website they says:
"These award-winning plug-ins require UAD-2 DSP Accelerator hardware or the Apollo High-Resolution Audio Interfaces"
and yet they can be demoed without it?
Yes, you will need either a UAD-2 card, Satellite or Apollo to run their plugins as they are tied to their specific DSP hardware. It cannot be demoed without it.
Some of the Brainworx developed plugins such as the Maag AirEQ are however available as native versions from Plugin Allience.
But the ones made by Universal Audio are only available on the UAD platform.
Wow 4:51 - 5:23 had me ready 2 fuckin lose my canoe in a lake of thoughts
Dr Steve Brule.... Anyone? Anyone?
Thank you sir :)
maag eq = ssl eq ?
different
These Pensado mixes sound pretty shit in my opinion. I like the fact, that he takes the time to educate people on his "methodology", but the fact of the matter is: this is cotton candy in the form of music, and mixing.
Harsh, harsh and over-exaggerated top end, really little room for the separate elements to breathe, squashed to death.
I'm not getting in to the whole loudness war debate, that doesn't interest me. But you really can be effective, and loud, without eliminating the space and _feel_, that a little more well thought out and moderate and sophisticated approach would bring.
Dave works at the highest level in the industry (or what's left of it). If his mixes sound like everyone else's at that level then blame the industry and the audience that continues to suck this garbage music down. All Dave does is show you what he does to be at that level for free which is beyond commendable. No chance in hell I'd want my stuff to sound like his but I'm learning a lot and for all we know he goes home and listens to jazz recorded straight to tape with no compression. I'd say give the guy a break.
Michael Silk Trust me, that is _not_ what he listens... Trust me.
Never judge a book by it's cover. Btw, everyone knows who dave pensado is. Who are you?
Well put Michael.
Great. Now I'm confused again. Some people say that we should make mixes with dynamic range. For example I'm using vst plugin called Mixing with Levels and trying so hard to make my mix fit its dynamic range criteria. And then I see the great Pensado and his mix and I'm like... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hey Dave, when ya gonna have Eddie Kramer (EK) on to talk about mixing Electric Ladyland? I saw the Stuart White unit the other night, but he just doesn't have the elegance of EK's work. Do you get Bob Lefsetz emails? We need to break away from the Max Martin (MM) paradigm now ruining music, and get back to the type of work EK did. The past is prelude. Until we start producing independently to get away from the MM paradigm, music will continue to grow evermore homogeneous. Sure, I hear you talk about embracing the 'modern' but the fact remains that we need to shatter the present paradigm for the sake of unique voices! Come on Dave, please throw down the gauntlet!!! Spend an hour or more with EK and lets get past MMs moronic myopia where music is concerned!
Using Mix Buss Plugins on Bussa Buss. haha.. Busta Rhymes
Mastering Steaming Garbage 101
I don't hear any difference even when you click bypass on/off. Maybe mac records flat sound...
too short#
I prefer the Invisible Limiter
Stop whining people, music is going to change whatever way it wants and if you dont like something and dont try to understand it then you're going to be swept into history like the guys that said your favourite music sucks. Move on
Could you not have used some audio clips that were less annoying brother? Maybe something a little subtle instead of blasting rap out every few seconds... no offence to Busta or the music itself, I would have preferred less FUL ON examples :-) x
lolz @ 4:54
pump 40 all day long
I hate that song who ever that was
when the music is total shit, who cares about plugins.
Sausage fattner..haha just kidding. These are all great plugins
Haha you can't do any damage he sais!! xD
SAUSAGE FATTENER
@@izvarzone im sure there are lol
Luftikus is a free alternative to the Maag EQ.
omg that song is terrible.
I have tried luftikus. Looks and works like Maag EQ, but even the smallest boosts sounds like it boosts the master too much. I guess 1db is the smallest value. I haven't tried Maag EQ to find out if it can boost less that. 0.5db would be more useful. .... edit : Just tried luftikus again. When the "Mastering" button is "on" then the boosts are minimum 1.0 and that is too much boosting for a mix-buss/master track , but weird enough, when the "Mastering" button is "off", then its possible to boost smaller amounts. It probably needs an update, or I do.
That`s not music, that is horrible!
Yeah, not exactly a good source to test critical plugins. If it sounds like shit it's hard to polish a turd.
Lol just cause y'all don't get it doesn't mean it's "bad"...
Sounds too slammed
But i think the mixing engineer overdid it
bad music is still music?
If you have to use a mix buss plugin, there's something wrong with your mix.
ShadowⓋ Ampex ATR102 (UAD)
The Great Western Trendkill
I was actually going to buy one of those UAD cards years ago, but I settled on an RME Hammerfall/ADI type setup instead. There are so many plugins out there anyways, it's pathetic. I've tried literally hundreds of them over the years and finally settled on like not even 10 of them. Most of the rest just seem to either create noise or are way too memory/CPU intensive. Yeah, I know every once in awhile I'm sure another plugin with a better algorithm comes around too. Personally, I think the only thing UAD or UAD-2 cards would do is take a resource load off a desktop based computer because they have their own onboard processors. Other than that, I see them as basically pointless. Anyone with enough traditional computer knowledge could get around that stuff. It all comes down to compatibility and stability.
ShadowⓋ Yes, that's what I do. I use it to split the loads on my desktop system, even though the performance boost that came with the Cubase 8 upgrade was surprisingly huge.
UAD is used for analgue warmth & color most of the time whereas vst stuff like EQuality or the Fabfilter series usually do surgical cuts and "neutral" work in my projects. I think the UAD purchase paid off for me because of the uniqueness and complexity of some plugins. It makes a great counterpiece. Their perfectionsim and passion for detail are admireable as well.
Having said that, you don't need much to create a good mix. It just gives you options, which can actually hurt the workflow. It depends. I am a gear & plugin whore, so I naturally like to try things out.
RME Fireface was a long time companion of mine, great gear.
The Great Western Trendkill
How on earth would you use a UAD card in Cubase while simultaneously recording using an audio card such as RME (which is needed for the converters)? If you couldn't, then technically this would mean you wouldn't be able to use the UAD plugins LIVE or while you're recording. Am I correct?
ShadowⓋ Well you don't need to buy the UAD card interface bundle. I use it as an internal PCI-E card. You can still use the plugins LIVE, same as regular plugins. It just isn't an interface. Works flawlessly. Very stable.
Your session sounds like pants, mate.
Rubbish
Not a fan of dynamic range I see.