How to use filters when mixing Bass - Into The Lair
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- Dave Pensado shows you how to get the most of your Bass tracks by using Hi and Low-pass filters while mixing.
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Every time I watch an ITL/Pensado's Place it solves stuff that I've been knocking my head about for months.With all respect to The walking dead and Breaking Bad , This is the coolest , most exciting series I have ever seen :D Thanks a whole lot man , you make my day !
Thanks!
Amen.
Tired of using presets and hoping for the best I decided a few weeks ago to really learn the craft of recording and have been amazed by the knowledge and access to information on TH-cam. I’ve spent the last three weeks submerged in videos like this and really appreciate them. Honestly three weeks ago I didn’t know what a high pass filter was let alone how to use them. This is probably the tenth video I’ve watched on filters and I learn something new every time, Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge so little guys like me can learn how to sound big.
3:58 is one of those honest moments every producer or engineer has and its cool seeing legends still having those moments
Wow, this is some of the most brilliant, useful info on mixing I’ve ever come across. Thank you Dave, you are awesome!
superb!
You finally got me to understand the extra boost a HPF gives the low end where you cut it.
I have taken on board some of the tips on bass and kick drums and my latest recording is so much better sounding, even I cannot believe my ears! Thanks Dave.
Ever since I watched this I've been using Cytomic's The Drop for my high and low pass filtering, because it made me realize how important it is to use a great quality filter and plus The Drop has a peak resonance control too (as well as offering many different filter simulations). Really helps things sit in the mix.
That was awesome, you hear the difference right away. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Great tip (as per usual)! Some of the best bass sounds I've come up with have some sort of High Pass element to it.
Just whipped out my FabFilter Simplon and did what you did on a breakbeat I needed to tuck behind a more formidable drum machine. This was fun. I usually dread high pass, and never have used a low pass here (gave some sheen to the cymbals, and cut out some gritty noise there!). Thanks!
Brilliant insight, thank you. Hope you’re well & happy Christmas!
Great job Dave; really hapefull stuff here on all "into the Lair" videos; thank you
It's exactly what I search since long months ! Thx for this tip it's amazing !
I find myself immediately going to keepvid after watching one of your videos.. I hope that is an extreme compliment, and I hope others follow in my footsteps.
Regardless, your videos amaze me! 🧙♂️
🖤❤️ 🧡 💛 💚 💙 💜
Woo!! i use to watch all ur vids before i stopped with music! Now im back :)
And back watching! lol
Thank you very much Dave! Brilliant as always.
learn something new, every time I listen to you. bravo
My clarity, width, etc. improved a hundred fold once I really started to understand the use of filters.
No one ever told me that filtering all the unnecessary low end out of a panned track REALLY pegs it to the side. It makes sense since low end doesn’t image that well but it’s one of those things that I never understood the true importance of. The same kind of concept is obviously happening here since all the unnecessary low end flub and high end scrape is being hacked off in favor of the stuff that actually works.
I've never seen anyone say it the way you just have. Thank you it makes perfect sense now.
Hey this man is too simple no any attitde and he a master on his work salute u
Thank you Dave ! I needed to see this today................. been having problems with a bass track in one song ................... hopefully this will do the trick. :)
I knew about the bump trick on the low bass frequencies, but for some reason never thought to do the same on the higher bass frequencies. I will try this. Thanks.
*Wow!* This is awesome! Currently working on a Deftones cover and man I'm using this on the bass 🤘❤🤘
Thank so much Dave
for all your great tip we all can learn if we listen .
to people who know what they talking about
I’am 64 and love making my music from Tassie end of the world fresh air
I'd been feverishly experimenting with LPFs on Bass afraid I'm getting rid of something I need without noticing it. Happy to see I was on a good path!
The slight raise is what makes this even more valuable.
It's a good feeling when something you do feels off and overall extraterrestrial but turns out to be genius!
Always a great place to visit... thanks !
Thank You Dave. Great tutorial!
Thank you Dave Pensado.
Many thanks for this! And for all videos! :) I've learned so much here! Thanks again!!!! :)
Who is this legend, love you sir
Always useful, but more importantly informative
awesome! with every such video i feel that i'm getting closer and closer in terms of solving that perfect mix puzzle
haha don't even say that, theres no such thing, even Pensado says you never really figure it all out, only keep tackling one song after another and keep learning new things.
*****
Hahah, beautifully said. It's a great feeling to keep learning new basic ideas in the mixing world. But it's a wonderful yet at times very frustrating journey. :) Meaning there is no point of arrival, just an endless exploration of refinement.
Kima Moore Thats right, the only difference between a pro and non-pro is the ideas they can come up with to solve a weird and new problem, which really comes from experience and good judgement.
I love this guy!
Man Dave, eres la hostia. Gracias de corazon.
I din't get the explanation, but the live demonstration is flat genius!
Thank You...Best example yet
Going to try this thanks. I always have trouble getting the bass to cut to the mix.
Great tips&tricks..thanks a lot! :)
Thanks again for the lesson!
Thanks a lot Dave!
very helpfull! thanks! just one question where can i get this plugin? cant find it anywhere
Drugs.
Also, this is great!
Please do a full session video with vocals and guitars too! :)
simple but useful...thx Dave)
Dave what type of chair do you use?
Thank you, very consice!
thanks Dave!
will do this with q3
this guys is amazing ...
I would like to get more info on the info you are giving at 0:35... Very interesting information
Thank you!
What little speakers are those in the background?
loved his face on "...well, technically four knobs..."
How do you record the bass? Plug it directly in the mixer with a DI?
Using filter resonance? Revolutionary
Let's speak about target-frequency centered phase rotation, when it happen on multi mics sources those phenomenons are quite important!
This is smart trick.I like it.
Does anyone think Fred Armisen's audio guy character on Portlandia is kind of based on Pensado? I really get that vibe.
this was the same EQ they used in Pet Sounds
Very good
beautiful
What Filter plug in is this that he's using ?
some insights on a 16th kick and bass at 145 bpm's Psytrance style, that would be great!
Go back to your dungeon
@@jacobregan5848 it's cosy in the dungeon, anyway it would be nice to hear this level of professional people on a really underground sytle of music
Awesome!
Cool very nice
how u see how much db you boost on this eq?
this stuff is almost over my head haha this guy is obviously a pro.
this is great
I'm trying to do this LIVE on my pedalboard with parallel signals I have it all worked out but I am missing two parts I cant seem to locate a high pass or low pass pedals anyone?????? I feel like I cant use EQ pedals for this am I wrong?
i think we can all relate to the joy he always gets from making something sound better lol
There's that great mix ebgineer called Raz Klinghoffer you should all check out
thanx man
Just one correction on the maths:
The cut-off frequency is the corner frequency, and as such it it already 3 db down (under most filter types) at this frequency. So if you use an 18 db/octave low cut at 100 Hz, then at 50 Hz you will be down 18 + 3 = 21 dB.
OK, so I'm not totally sure about this, and you should just use your ears anyway, but I think this is correct.
So I just googled it, and wikipedia says: "In electronics, cutoff frequency or corner frequency is the frequency either above or below which the power output of a circuit, such as a line, amplifier, or electronic filter has fallen to a given proportion of the power in the passband. Most frequently this proportion is one half the passband power, also referred to as the 3 dB point since a fall of 3 dB corresponds approximately to half power. "
did mcDSP stop selling that filter cause i cant find it on there website?
Nope, it's still there. It's called FilterBank. They just redesigned/updated it since 2014. It's $200. But you absolutely don't need it to use this technique. There's many other, less expensive EQs with this feature. You're DAW probably has one.
Ace. As ever... : )
Great! love the riff too,
what's the song Dave?
RawkNait HA no response lol 😂
@@jaylengethers9518 No overworking in these sections from Dave haha, he's in that position where if he spots one by accident he responds.
Sort of like what you can do with a Pultec style EQ?? Cut and boost at the same time.
Promot Ed kinda
Awesome
So maybe this could be useful technique upon dance basslines?
I cant find that plugin on mcdsp site.
did they remove it. or is it updated ?
+vedasticks Filterbank, GUI was updated
I was afraid of that, much prefer the old gui with sliders instead of knobs.
what eq program is that?
Alexander Barnes
Looks like a circuit board
😂😂
I think is a McDSP Filter Bank F2. Not sure if this plugin is still available as it is seen on this video. I think they change the GUI.
nice
Excuse me for my ignorance. Could anyone break it down the introduction where Dave goes on about the maths of cycles and octaves?! thank you.
Cycles per second = Hz
If you take a note ( a440hz, for instance )
And double the Hz ( 440x2=880 )
You get an octave higher
If you divide it in half (440/2=220hz)
You get an octave down- and so on-- that is how octaves are determined, get a chart for each note/ frequency, and practice the math--
Then practice in real time honing in on frequencies ( measured in Hz or cycles per second )
On any old eq with your gear
Thanks Jason :)
You are very welcome!! If you really want to get into the math of frequencies, look into the works of Pythagoras, who's research into frequencies, and the resultant terms and tuning systems are the foundation of the math we use today in regards to the frequency spectrum- in the long run, with or without math, your ears will tell you what you are looking for- the numbers just help you to remember all that stuff.
not really , , modern tuning is modern tuning , it is not a result of Pythagoras math
anything good like this in a stomp box?
How much are you (or other commenters) boosting at the curves?
He looks to be boosting around 5 db or so (I think? I'm not sure about the scale on the McDSP stuff...) but as little or as much as it needs to sound better. Every instrument and application is different, so as always the golden answer is to trust your ears and not your eyes.
Wow ! Thanks ! o_o
what eq is that?
McDSP FilterBank F2
So wait is -6db a lower bass than -12db??
Hi Dave. Please show the changes on track sometimes and less on solo. Thanks.
As GURU might have said "you know the program, dave's the mother fucking man!" ;)
Smart.
That STRANGELY reminds me of Peter Serafinowicz hahaha
If you need to cry just cry it out, man. I can hear you're on the edge of bursting out crying,
Mathias Laakkonen lol
Im all about that bass. No treble.
Dayum, this man is absolutely perma-fried lmao I thought I smoked too much
This used to do my head in, I kind of worked out there might be a Rez boost at the cut off, but when I have asked ppl they have basically bs me and said just attenuate. People don't seem to ask why? They just do, which is lazy in my book.
Do you know in what way lazy people are better? I'll tell you: because they are lazy, they find the easiest and effective ways to do things that more laboriuous people spend way too much time and effort doing.
Also: dem drugs
They probably think they do yes. But once you fully understand what you are doing, then you are going to work a lot faster in the long run.
It does my head in sometimes too - often I will low pass a signal quite heavily and all of a sudden I'm seeing clip lights come on...and you think huh, didn't I just REMOVE energy here? But yeah, it's that resonant peak throwing more gain into the mix...
super!
ps technically, its 4 faders lol
30 second in I'm lost lol
Amazingly most processed electric bass sounds start out sounding like Jazz basses and then end up sounding like Pbasses when theyre finished...
isnt that just resonance
Batman filters 🦇
L0ol0ol 1:23 I think he came in his pants.
What the fuck are cycles. Is that like Hz?
OMG! Did he just tell us to high- *and* low-pass vocals? Hopefully only fx or background vocals?