@@glenndoiron9317 keep in mind that this is not stock PC engine here but super CD-rom² which, while not a massive upgrade, still adds CD music + 1 ADPCM channel + a lot more RAM. still, the mega drive has a significantly more powerful hardware (more complex CPU, better sprite and scrolling capabilities, richer sound setup and also 2 controller ports, RGB output, etc.) which is crazy considering that we talk about a giant of the electronic industry, NEC, that wasn't even alone but teamed up with hudson soft yet sega still outdid them and nintendo did too
@@ryzmaker11 Sega outdid them? Sega Mega Drive completely failed in Japan and the PC Engine completely obliterated the 16 bit Sega machine and only the SNES was a match for the PC Engine. The PC engine could do parallax scrolling and had more colors than the Genesis. Why I am wasting my time with idiots....
I always wanted a true great port of this game but sadly there is none. The 1989 Mega Drive port has co-op play, parallax scrollings and runs smoothly but it lacks 2 stages whereas the 1992 PC Engine Super CD-Rom² port has all the stages and plays more like the arcade but it lacks co-op, it lacks the parallax scrollings which really hurts the presentation and it has some awful loading times, including some 10 second blackouts just before each boss! :S The Master System port is actually interestiong. Just like Ghouls 'n Ghosts it has some exclusive content and is all-around solid for a third generation console. BTW there was a planned Mega-CD port called "Forgotten Worlds Deluxe" which would have more likely been the ultimate port but for some reasons it was canceled :(
MD Forgotten Worlds really needed to be on a 6 Meg cart (or 8 if they wanted to get the voice overs between stages). Couldn't the PC Engine one have added one layer of parallax? OTOH pretty much all the computer versions are really broken. Sega Mark III actually looks OK for 8-bit, while the Amiga one is highly disappointing given that system's power.
@@JudgmentStorm Well, it was an early release, if they waited another year to use a bigger rom it could've been better but maybe people's interest in the game had vanished by then. The PCE only can do 1 BG layer so they had to fake more with some tricks and sprites.
@@jasonlee7816 you tend to often complaint about sega not using bigger carts for this or that game but keep in mind that the memory cost was pretty high at the time (especially during the late 80s when there was a memory shortage at some point) and also that sega didn't have the same budget that some other companies might have back then so they really did very well all things considered although I'd agree that there are a few instances such as forgotten worlds right here where they could have used bigger carts (8 meg would have been enough here to deliver a port that came complete with the remaining 2 stages)
+psyance_ql it seems you complain, sook, whinge about trivial things such the 1989 Sega Genesis/Mega-Drive port of Forgotten Worlds has co-op play, parallax scrolling and runs smoothly but it lacks 2 stages while the 1992 PC Engine/TurboGrafx CD port of Forgotten Worlds has all the stages and plays more like the arcade game but it lacks co-op, it lacks parallax scrolling which really hurts the presentation and it has some awful loading times, including 10 second black-outs just before each boss
@@volo870 Brother I have being saying this same thing to my parents for years!! Cars all look the SAME today! In the eighties and nineties there was so much different and weird iteration of cars! All beautiful in their on way! It can also explain modern culture! Just by doing a "car" analogy! :)
+dlfrsilver did any other Capcom CPS-1 arcade games fail or flop such Ghouls n Ghosts, Strider, Dynasty Wars, Willow, U.N. Squadron, Final Fight, Pang, 1941, Mercs, Mega Twins, Magic Sword, Super Pang, Carrier Air Wing, Nemo, Street Fighter ll World Warrior, King of Dragons, Varth Operation Thunderstorm as badly as Forgotten Worlds?
The arcade original's nice. The 1st game to use the CPS board and it features the unique rotating button that allows for full 360° aiming. The micro computer versions lack the arcade's nifty presentation, plus the controls are positively borked to hell and back, severely lacking the precision of the arcade version. And the Speccy in particular, is a trainwreck that's almost adorable to look at thanks to its scrolling The more advanced PCs do their best to be like the arcade, but the controls still suck and they lag like a bitch. The SMS version does what it can to maintain the precise arcade controls by making the firing automatic in conjunction to making the 1 and 2 buttons aim, but the game is unbalanced, as the Lost Soldier is too slow compared to the enemies, meaning you're always *fucked* beyond belief. Not even the "Extra Joy" smart bomb can save you The Genesis version gets it all right in terms of playability, taking advantage of the 3 buttons of the main control pad for shooting and aiming, plus the music is quite accurate, barring the fact that channels lose their instruments for the sound effects. And the 2 player mode is intact. And maybe due to the lack of ROM memory on the cart, the visuals were hella simplified and lots of level geometry lose detail plus main details are cut to store space, like Silphie's bow and the dragon's body. Even 2 levels were cut from it And while the PC Engine lacks the co-op, it improves on many a thing, like the graphical details are kept (Except the layered scrolling), the music is higher quality thanks to being redbook audio, it even features the arcade voices and cutscenes without any hitches or cuts. And while it adopts the SMS control scheme as the PCE uses 2 main buttons, it works so much better as your speed is intact
Let's not forget the most important thing. In all of these games, you can still recognize the space anus at the end of the level. They put their effort in where it counted.
The Amstrad may have been able to display more colors than the other 8-BIT micros (ZX Spectrum, C64 etc) but the fps in most of its games were terrible.
True. I think it was something about the way the Amstrad CPU and VDU alternated accessing the system bus. The Saint Dragon ports really highlight this difference. I don't know which is the pinnacle of CPC action games... is it Savage? Target Renegade? I remember Gryzor and Renegade were also considered both very good looking and worth playing at the time. Atari 8-bit line had the most colors of all the 8-bit micros, AFAIK. But no more than 3 or 4 unique colors per scanline, and hardware sprites were more limited than the newer C64, so you had to program software sprites to get comparable results.
I always think the same, the only one thing that PCE needs to outperforms in quality most of arcades and systems of this era are the independent background scroll. Here another example , the sprites animation and colorful graphics are arcade quality . Also the ports are made from another developer and sometimes the budget , time and how much the company want to spend affect the final quality more than technical issues.
US Gold didn’t do the Forgotten Worlds computer ports (versions) i believe they were the publisher (finance) pays for the development if US Gold wanted to save money they might’ve told the developer Arc Developments to make some cut backs
UK/Euro developers frequently didn't have source code or even the graphics provided to them (so they're recreations rather than ports), many were made from scratch, some even made by recreating what they watched on a video recording of the game.. Console ports on the other hand were often made in-house, and it was common that some of the staff who worked on the original would be involved. Besides, none of the home computers of the era really have the capabilities to match the more advanced arcade boards of the time in terms of the numbers of sprites and colours they could throw around at 60fps.
@@DymondMatt Thanks for the answer dude, now I understand why those ports were horrible, why they didnt ask for the source code? That would have been wiser.
All the ports at least look competent, and take advantage of machine hardware. It is kind of amazing how well the c64 and spectrum did, considering their respective hardware was developed when Donkey Kong and Defender were hot shit. Particularly the c64 has some very carefully drawn pixel art. I tried drawing pixels in a c64 sprite editor and found it hard af.
The C64 has some odd color limitations that can make it hard to draw good looking graphics. It was capable of producing some very nice graphics, but you had to know what you were doing. For the record, I suck at pixel art, on any system. :)
The TG16 version is so faithful to the arcade they even kept the intro dialogue intact lol. Is it just me or does this game's dialogue deserve higher praise than all your base are belong to us?
I just finished the PC-Engine version on the Analog Duo and it is amazing, the best. The music is so good. I can tell you that the TG16 is the best because in the early 2000 I had the arcade cabinet in my home for years. Amiga version is a shame.
It profoundly pisses me off that Capcom has ignored this game since its introduction; no sequels of any kind. This is one of their best games, with tight controls, crisp visuals and cool music throughout. The Genesis port was a pretty good attempt, though I feel they could've done better, especially seeing as how Genesis games near the end of the system's life cycle were really pushing the hardware.
At least the shop girl shows up in Namco x Capcom games for the 3DS. And of course Zenny is the currency in almost every Capcom game. But yes,a sequel in the style of something like Streets Of Rage 4 or the new Toe Jam and Earl game would be cool.
Nice to see arc developments put effort into the amiga version . Not just a quick Atari st port. More colours nice parallax just shame about the lack of fire buttons on the amiga. But enjoyed it when it came out. Even the c64 had a good crack at the game as well
There's no effort in the Amiga version. It's missing some levels and the controls are crap, the player characters move around while rotating and don't stay in place.
That was probably the biggest issues with the Amiga on the whole as a platform, was the lack of fire buttons on controllers. But graphics wise the amiga doesn't get much over the ST port really. It could have been optimized a little better. But it probably does better on real hardware than emulation. Most games do.
@@wishusknight3009 The thing is the Amiga could easily handle multiple buttons. Even if you only count the direct wires to button connectors there are 3. But 2 of the 3 button connectors are in fact potentiometers, so could have multiple levels allowing for many buttons to be set up. Even with that said, the CD32 controller (which uses serial data like modern controllers) is compatible with all Amiga's and that had 8 buttons. I think the issues with buttons on controllers was most joysticks of the style (at that time) were not well setup for multiple buttons (even now some ppl argue that they prefer those style sticks to a more modern design) also more buttons equals more cost. If my memory is correct PC's had flight sticks that would have done the job (and compatible with Amiga using a converter) but they were extremely expensive. Lots of ppl bought the cheap, ubiquitous 1 button Atari joystick style, and games supported it because they didn't want to confuse ppl. There are games that did support 2 buttons, but if you are refining a game for 1 button you really can't change much. TLDR The reason the Amiga was stuck with limited buttons, is that people didn't buy joysticks/controllers with them, because companies didn't want to make them.
PC Engine looks to be the star port after the Arcade. And then there is the obligatory Spectrum port.......... I think the most entertaining thing about it was seeing how low the frame rate could go. The snes may have been the only console that could have pulled off a perfect port both in graphics and controls........If it had been ported to snes.
I wish that the NES/FDS also got a port of the game. My guess is that it would have most likely resembled the Sega Master System port of the game, not that it is a bad thing, of course.
Great video! It’s nice seeing all the differences in the ports. I’m surprised though. With the DOS port you’ve got the guy rotating. I’ve never been able to do that, and I haven’t seen anyone else do that before. How did you get it to work?
I played the heck out of the arcade game, and later played that version on the PS2. Always thought it was a somewhat obscure game and am shocked to see all the PC ports. I’d only seen the Genesis, SMS and TG16 versions. On the one hand I’m happy others found the game worth porting. On the other hand, who the heck thought the world needed a ZX version.
The home computer ports, at least the ones to systems that used the standard Atari joystick, were ruined by bad controls. I appreciate that they wanted to remain faithful to the arcade version, which let you shoot in any direction, some consideration should have been given to how that would make the home versions virtually unplayable, since you can't move and shoot at the same time without turning. If I'd been in charge of designing the home ports, I would have made an optional alternate mode where the joystick just moves and fires and to rotate your aim, you use two keys on the keyboard. People with a joystick that they could stick to the desk, could use one hand on the stick and one hand on the keyboard. Or... A mode where the gun faces in whatever direction you move when the button is NOT pressed, but once you press and hold the button, it locks the gun into that position. Let the button up to change your aim, then hold it down to keep shooting in that direction while moving. It may not have matched the arcade's rotation mechanic, but it would have made the game a hell of a lot more playable.
Wow.. the Amiga port looks straight up 8bit. They should have skipped the parallax and used single 32 color plane instead of the dual 7 color plane nonsense.
Yo pensaba que es una copia de Contra, pero ese protagonista si que es el Bill Rizer Volador. Pero ¿como puede volar si no está equipado con mochila Yet, o el arma lo hace levitar más?
Sega Genesis/Mega-Drive probably would’ve got a perfect port of Forgotten Worlds if it was bigger than 4 megabits do away with 2 player or increase the cart size to 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 megabits
The Master System version is simply impressive considering the capabilities of the console. The Nec PCE-CD version is perfect thanks to its 16Bit graphics chip. The MegaDrive is not bad but according to the date, it would have been released at the beginning of the console's life, so we'll put it on a bad exploitation of the machine. The Amiga version is an excellent adaptation, impressive. Mention not bad for the C64 and the Atari.
@Loutre, Darius II/Sagaia and Strider were also early arcade game to home video game console conversions of video games that are on the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive, so do not come at me with that fucking bullshit excuse!
The genesis version was rushed, it came out years before the master system and pc engine cd version. If it came out in 1992 it (apart from the obvious cd soundtrack) would of kicked the pc engine to pieces. Still does in some ways in sprite numbers and animations apart from the rotating cogs, but you could hardly call it animation but then the master system by then had it so we can safely say it would of kicked.
Otro video fenomenal de Retrosutra, uno más. Tuve la versión de Atari ST. El control era un poco complicado, pero aun así con dos jugadores era divertido. Y la banda sonora era descomunal, como si Camela y Jean Michel Jarré la hubiesen hecho a medias. Este juego me hace pensar que antes nos quejábamos menos y jugábamos más😁
Gracias @FCB1975 yo también noté ese toque flamenco a la banda sonora y me hizo gracia, jaja. Por cierto, ¿lograste llegar muy lejos en Atari ST? Esa versión me ha parecido MUY difícil (y la de C64 aún más).
@@retrosutra Jugando a dobles con mi hermano, que es un fenómeno con los videojuegos, llegamos al final. Cuando jugaba sólo, lo máximo que lograba era liquidar al Dios de la Guerra. Ya sabes, el tochazo descomunal al que hay que dispararle en los hombros y tal. En la siguiente fase me merendaban crudo. Era difícil, aunque cuando has jugado a Rainbow Islands todo te parece ya tirado 😄
Sí, recuerdo al gigante ese, aunque yo me lo pasaba en Mega Drive que era muuuuucho más sencillo. Las demás versiones domésticas no las había ni probado. Desde luego, los juegos de ahora no tienen nada que ver con los de antes en cuanto a dificultad...
@@retrosutra Una locura. Lo de Dinamic era de Juzgado de Guardia, el The New Zealand Story lo diseñó un demente o algo así... Y había auténticos jugones. Recuerdo ver a mi hermano pasándose el arcade "The Legend of Hero Tonma" y lo miraba como si viese al tipo de la película DARYL 😄
thanks for that comparison. regarding the game - it completely sucks. completely random shoot em up sidescroller, annoying sound track and effects. nothing makes sense here. what a crap
![Forgotten Worlds Longplay (Arcade) [4K]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4xU03AzuA6U/mqdefault.jpg)
Damn, the TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine port of the game is surprisingly good.
The PC-Engine was almost as powerful as the genesis, its primary weakness is that there was only 1 background layer.
@@glenndoiron9317 keep in mind that this is not stock PC engine here but super CD-rom² which, while not a massive upgrade, still adds CD music + 1 ADPCM channel + a lot more RAM. still, the mega drive has a significantly more powerful hardware (more complex CPU, better sprite and scrolling capabilities, richer sound setup and also 2 controller ports, RGB output, etc.) which is crazy considering that we talk about a giant of the electronic industry, NEC, that wasn't even alone but teamed up with hudson soft yet sega still outdid them and nintendo did too
The turbografx doesn't even have any parallax scrolling 👎
@@segaaction7611 While true that it was missing the parallax, it did retain the fluid action of the arcade that was missing for every other version.
@@ryzmaker11 Sega outdid them? Sega Mega Drive completely failed in Japan and the PC Engine completely obliterated the 16 bit Sega machine and only the SNES was a match for the PC Engine. The PC engine could do parallax scrolling and had more colors than the Genesis. Why I am wasting my time with idiots....
I always wanted a true great port of this game but sadly there is none. The 1989 Mega Drive port has co-op play, parallax scrollings and runs smoothly but it lacks 2 stages whereas the 1992 PC Engine Super CD-Rom² port has all the stages and plays more like the arcade but it lacks co-op, it lacks the parallax scrollings which really hurts the presentation and it has some awful loading times, including some 10 second blackouts just before each boss! :S
The Master System port is actually interestiong. Just like Ghouls 'n Ghosts it has some exclusive content and is all-around solid for a third generation console.
BTW there was a planned Mega-CD port called "Forgotten Worlds Deluxe" which would have more likely been the ultimate port but for some reasons it was canceled :(
Well now you can play arcade version with emulators. I still prefer my SMS version :D
MD Forgotten Worlds really needed to be on a 6 Meg cart (or 8 if they wanted to get the voice overs between stages). Couldn't the PC Engine one have added one layer of parallax? OTOH pretty much all the computer versions are really broken. Sega Mark III actually looks OK for 8-bit, while the Amiga one is highly disappointing given that system's power.
@@JudgmentStorm Well, it was an early release, if they waited another year to use a bigger rom it could've been better but maybe people's interest in the game had vanished by then. The PCE only can do 1 BG layer so they had to fake more with some tricks and sprites.
@@jasonlee7816 you tend to often complaint about sega not using bigger carts for this or that game but keep in mind that the memory cost was pretty high at the time (especially during the late 80s when there was a memory shortage at some point) and also that sega didn't have the same budget that some other companies might have back then so they really did very well all things considered although I'd agree that there are a few instances such as forgotten worlds right here where they could have used bigger carts (8 meg would have been enough here to deliver a port that came complete with the remaining 2 stages)
+psyance_ql it seems you complain, sook, whinge about trivial things such the 1989 Sega Genesis/Mega-Drive port of Forgotten Worlds has co-op play, parallax scrolling and runs smoothly but it lacks 2 stages while the 1992 PC Engine/TurboGrafx CD port of Forgotten Worlds has all the stages and plays more like the arcade game but it lacks co-op, it lacks parallax scrolling which really hurts the presentation and it has some awful loading times, including 10 second black-outs just before each boss
Sega systems were on point about keeping the shop girl cute.
Cute girls are sexist. I think.
The shop girls were all the same except Amstrad which didn't have one, and the C64 which did have the girl but colored very strangely.
@@volo870 People who talk like a left wing and say anything cute or appealing is sexist shouldn’t even talk or consider themselves a gamer.
@@sonicexereaper6814 Why should things be cute? Isn't there a law against that? Things should be gray and mediocre, like modern cars!
@@volo870 Brother I have being saying this same thing to my parents for years!! Cars all look the SAME today! In the eighties and nineties there was so much different and weird iteration of cars! All beautiful in their on way! It can also explain modern culture! Just by doing a "car" analogy! :)
capcoms most underrated game. this needs a comeback in 2020
the CPS1 version was a commercial failure.
+dlfrsilver why was it a failure?
@@jasonlee7816 it did not sold well.
+dlfrsilver did any other Capcom CPS-1 arcade games fail or flop such Ghouls n Ghosts, Strider, Dynasty Wars, Willow, U.N. Squadron, Final Fight, Pang, 1941, Mercs, Mega Twins, Magic Sword, Super Pang, Carrier Air Wing, Nemo, Street Fighter ll World Warrior, King of Dragons, Varth Operation Thunderstorm as badly as Forgotten Worlds?
@@jasonlee7816 i know only for FW. SF2 is a mega hit of course, i know also that Strider has not the commercial success expected ;
the spider robots on the first level of the SMS port are adorable
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The arcade original's nice. The 1st game to use the CPS board and it features the unique rotating button that allows for full 360° aiming.
The micro computer versions lack the arcade's nifty presentation, plus the controls are positively borked to hell and back, severely lacking the precision of the arcade version. And the Speccy in particular, is a trainwreck that's almost adorable to look at thanks to its scrolling
The more advanced PCs do their best to be like the arcade, but the controls still suck and they lag like a bitch.
The SMS version does what it can to maintain the precise arcade controls by making the firing automatic in conjunction to making the 1 and 2 buttons aim, but the game is unbalanced, as the Lost Soldier is too slow compared to the enemies, meaning you're always *fucked* beyond belief. Not even the "Extra Joy" smart bomb can save you
The Genesis version gets it all right in terms of playability, taking advantage of the 3 buttons of the main control pad for shooting and aiming, plus the music is quite accurate, barring the fact that channels lose their instruments for the sound effects. And the 2 player mode is intact. And maybe due to the lack of ROM memory on the cart, the visuals were hella simplified and lots of level geometry lose detail plus main details are cut to store space, like Silphie's bow and the dragon's body. Even 2 levels were cut from it
And while the PC Engine lacks the co-op, it improves on many a thing, like the graphical details are kept (Except the layered scrolling), the music is higher quality thanks to being redbook audio, it even features the arcade voices and cutscenes without any hitches or cuts. And while it adopts the SMS control scheme as the PCE uses 2 main buttons, it works so much better as your speed is intact
Let's not forget the most important thing. In all of these games, you can still recognize the space anus at the end of the level. They put their effort in where it counted.
@@glenndoiron9317 oh, dear
There are also ports of this game on the PS2 and OG Xbox as well, if my memory serves myself correct.
Whoever decided that every Amiga port needed to be identical to the Atari ST port belongs in jail
I own it for Pc Engine and I think it's the closest to the arcade.
No parallax scrolling 👎
In c64 version, your character looks like a character from the NES game Contra.
TurboGrafx/PC Engine CD version is best.
"SE-GAaaa!" It's not till later levels w 2 players that things get really amazing! (too bad they didn't have a larger cart to fit the entire arcade)
Awesome comparison. This game is one of my favorite games from capcom. I personally like the arcade and sega genesis version.
The Amstrad may have been able to display more colors than the other 8-BIT micros (ZX Spectrum, C64 etc) but the fps in most of its games were terrible.
True. I think it was something about the way the Amstrad CPU and VDU alternated accessing the system bus. The Saint Dragon ports really highlight this difference.
I don't know which is the pinnacle of CPC action games... is it Savage? Target Renegade? I remember Gryzor and Renegade were also considered both very good looking and worth playing at the time.
Atari 8-bit line had the most colors of all the 8-bit micros, AFAIK. But no more than 3 or 4 unique colors per scanline, and hardware sprites were more limited than the newer C64, so you had to program software sprites to get comparable results.
@@FLCL75 Turrican 2 on the Amstrad was good. Did you ever play that?
One of the main reasons is that screen of the CPC is 16kb to move around so for saving memory in 64k machines
In most cases used software scroll
I always think the same, the only one thing that PCE needs to outperforms in quality most of arcades and systems of this era are the independent background scroll. Here another example , the sprites animation and colorful graphics are arcade quality . Also the ports are made from another developer and sometimes the budget , time and how much the company want to spend affect the final quality more than technical issues.
Games with soundtrack but no fx is always a strange experience. No soundtrack and fx too...
Why the Amiga, Atari st and Comodore ports always looks that awful? even Master system its better.
Us Gold was known for its "quality conversions".
US Gold didn’t do the Forgotten Worlds computer ports (versions) i believe they were the publisher (finance) pays for the development if US Gold wanted to save money they might’ve told the developer Arc Developments to make some cut backs
UK/Euro developers frequently didn't have source code or even the graphics provided to them (so they're recreations rather than ports), many were made from scratch, some even made by recreating what they watched on a video recording of the game.. Console ports on the other hand were often made in-house, and it was common that some of the staff who worked on the original would be involved. Besides, none of the home computers of the era really have the capabilities to match the more advanced arcade boards of the time in terms of the numbers of sprites and colours they could throw around at 60fps.
Is the Amiga Emulation correct? I swear the Game had FX and music. Sounds like 2 Channels are Missing. You also only hear Bass and melody.
@@DymondMatt Thanks for the answer dude, now I understand why those ports were horrible, why they didnt ask for the source code? That would have been wiser.
the western version and the Mega Drive version are overrated, yet I still like both.
Genesis looks fantastic, but that audio just grinds my gears. I own it but only could play it once lol have to play the PC Engine/Turbografx version
All the ports at least look competent, and take advantage of machine hardware. It is kind of amazing how well the c64 and spectrum did, considering their respective hardware was developed when Donkey Kong and Defender were hot shit. Particularly the c64 has some very carefully drawn pixel art. I tried drawing pixels in a c64 sprite editor and found it hard af.
The C64 has some odd color limitations that can make it hard to draw good looking graphics. It was capable of producing some very nice graphics, but you had to know what you were doing. For the record, I suck at pixel art, on any system. :)
The arcade version is my favorite. Definitely much better than all the other versions. The Sega Genesis one was ok.
The TG16 version is so faithful to the arcade they even kept the intro dialogue intact lol. Is it just me or does this game's dialogue deserve higher praise than all your base are belong to us?
I just finished the PC-Engine version on the Analog Duo and it is amazing, the best. The music is so good. I can tell you that the TG16 is the best because in the early 2000 I had the arcade cabinet in my home for years. Amiga version is a shame.
It profoundly pisses me off that Capcom has ignored this game since its introduction; no sequels of any kind. This is one of their best games, with tight controls, crisp visuals and cool music throughout. The Genesis port was a pretty good attempt, though I feel they could've done better, especially seeing as how Genesis games near the end of the system's life cycle were really pushing the hardware.
I love it too, Maybe my favourite arcade game
At least the shop girl shows up in Namco x Capcom games for the 3DS. And of course Zenny is the currency in almost every Capcom game. But yes,a sequel in the style of something like Streets Of Rage 4 or the new Toe Jam and Earl game would be cool.
Appropriate considering the game's title.
not ignored, the game failed commercially.
@@dlfrsilver , kind of like your love life?
If they made that ugly port with no sound for MS-DOS and then the one for Master System in 1991, they could've made a port for SNES too 😕
Pc engine é a melhor versão caseira 👽👍
I love this game used to have it on my Sega Genesis back in the day! Strider 2 also a Capcom game has the same blue orb currency called Zenny.
I'm sure I played this game on NES, but I can't find the version.
Amiga version does well with parrallax and sound but somehow seems to run slower and graphics look a bit rougher / uglier than the ST version.
Nice to see arc developments put effort into the amiga version . Not just a quick Atari st port. More colours nice parallax just shame about the lack of fire buttons on the amiga. But enjoyed it when it came out. Even the c64 had a good crack at the game as well
There's no effort in the Amiga version. It's missing some levels and the controls are crap, the player characters move around while rotating and don't stay in place.
@@Offensive_Username I meant graphics wise. Yeah the controls were duff lol
That was probably the biggest issues with the Amiga on the whole as a platform, was the lack of fire buttons on controllers. But graphics wise the amiga doesn't get much over the ST port really. It could have been optimized a little better. But it probably does better on real hardware than emulation. Most games do.
@@wishusknight3009 the Amiga version has been shorted, because a level was impossible to port on Atari ST. Crap and Shite.
@@wishusknight3009 The thing is the Amiga could easily handle multiple buttons. Even if you only count the direct wires to button connectors there are 3. But 2 of the 3 button connectors are in fact potentiometers, so could have multiple levels allowing for many buttons to be set up. Even with that said, the CD32 controller (which uses serial data like modern controllers) is compatible with all Amiga's and that had 8 buttons.
I think the issues with buttons on controllers was most joysticks of the style (at that time) were not well setup for multiple buttons (even now some ppl argue that they prefer those style sticks to a more modern design) also more buttons equals more cost. If my memory is correct PC's had flight sticks that would have done the job (and compatible with Amiga using a converter) but they were extremely expensive. Lots of ppl bought the cheap, ubiquitous 1 button Atari joystick style, and games supported it because they didn't want to confuse ppl. There are games that did support 2 buttons, but if you are refining a game for 1 button you really can't change much.
TLDR The reason the Amiga was stuck with limited buttons, is that people didn't buy joysticks/controllers with them, because companies didn't want to make them.
I like the fact that when compared to other versions, he already found the guy in the Master System version.
That's the funniest thing I've heard regarding video games in 25 years. You're a savant.
PC Engine looks to be the star port after the Arcade. And then there is the obligatory Spectrum port.......... I think the most entertaining thing about it was seeing how low the frame rate could go. The snes may have been the only console that could have pulled off a perfect port both in graphics and controls........If it had been ported to snes.
The PCE version looks and sounds fantastic, but is a bytch to play with the stock controller. Much easier on the Genesis
I wish that the NES/FDS also got a port of the game. My guess is that it would have most likely resembled the Sega Master System port of the game, not that it is a bad thing, of course.
I think the SNES' 256x224 resolution would've hindered the graphics and the CPU running at 3.58mhz would've caused massive slowdowns.
I think the music for amiga and st version was written by Sir Michael of Oldfield
Great video! It’s nice seeing all the differences in the ports. I’m surprised though. With the DOS port you’ve got the guy rotating. I’ve never been able to do that, and I haven’t seen anyone else do that before. How did you get it to work?
the main character of this game looks alot like bill from contra
That is Unknown Soldier P1
I played the heck out of the arcade game, and later played that version on the PS2. Always thought it was a somewhat obscure game and am shocked to see all the PC ports. I’d only seen the Genesis, SMS and TG16 versions. On the one hand I’m happy others found the game worth porting. On the other hand, who the heck thought the world needed a ZX version.
The home computer ports, at least the ones to systems that used the standard Atari joystick, were ruined by bad controls. I appreciate that they wanted to remain faithful to the arcade version, which let you shoot in any direction, some consideration should have been given to how that would make the home versions virtually unplayable, since you can't move and shoot at the same time without turning.
If I'd been in charge of designing the home ports, I would have made an optional alternate mode where the joystick just moves and fires and to rotate your aim, you use two keys on the keyboard. People with a joystick that they could stick to the desk, could use one hand on the stick and one hand on the keyboard. Or... A mode where the gun faces in whatever direction you move when the button is NOT pressed, but once you press and hold the button, it locks the gun into that position. Let the button up to change your aim, then hold it down to keep shooting in that direction while moving. It may not have matched the arcade's rotation mechanic, but it would have made the game a hell of a lot more playable.
Wow.. the Amiga port looks straight up 8bit. They should have skipped the parallax and used single 32 color plane instead of the dual 7 color plane nonsense.
Amiga port = Atari ST remake
My childhood (on SMS)
I suggest you place the system watermark on the screen at all times.
Ddnt know it was on PCE CD. Looks amazing
The soundtrack is awesome th-cam.com/video/w6XeURILAns/w-d-xo.html
The PCE no parallax scrolling 👎
@Sega Action and the Genesis version has the usual muddy colors and sounds like shit 👎
Another underdog got an amazing showcase. Really love your videos ^^
How come there's no Nes version? Am surprised how good the 64 version looks!
La que mas me sorprendio fue la de Master System... ✌
Yo pensaba que es una copia de Contra, pero ese protagonista si que es el Bill Rizer Volador.
Pero ¿como puede volar si no está equipado con mochila Yet, o el arma lo hace levitar más?
Tienes razón, Daniel. No había caído en que no tienen Jet Pack ni nada que los propulse, jaja
I thought this was duke Nukem.
This is one of the strangest games I've ever seen. You control a floating dude that has no obvious means of propulsion.
rootbeer666 magic cartoon superman physics 😉
Have you seen the later levels? Floating guy is the least of its zaniness.
Space harrier
i seem to remember the genesis version looking much better. the turbografx cd version sounds amazing, just missing the paralax scrolling.
カプコンのCPシステム第一弾ですね！
画面の綺麗さに、喋るのが驚いたでしたね。
「ダスドドラゴンなど、所詮、俺たちの敵ではない！」😁
i believe Capcom Classic Collection PS2, PSP, Xbox has the best port of Forgotten Worlds
Capcom Classic Collection isn't a port. Just straight up emulation.
who cares as long as it looks, plays, sounds like the 1988 Forgotten Worlds arcade game
👍👍🧡✌️
C64 version coulda been gobsmacking on a cart with music etc, shmups were it's b&b
This is a Capcom classic THAT badly needs a sequel.
Sadly, no arcade perfect home port of this has ever existed.
There’s an arcade port for the PS2 on one of the Capcom Collections. Nicely emulated and a blast to play with a dual shock controller.
@@billcook4768 , I think that the OG Xbox also has that game as well.
Sega Genesis/Mega-Drive probably would’ve got a perfect port of Forgotten Worlds if it was bigger than 4 megabits do away with 2 player or increase the cart size to 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 megabits
The Master System version is simply impressive considering the capabilities of the console.
The Nec PCE-CD version is perfect thanks to its 16Bit graphics chip.
The MegaDrive is not bad but according to the date, it would have been released at the beginning of the console's life, so we'll put it on a bad exploitation of the machine.
The Amiga version is an excellent adaptation, impressive.
Mention not bad for the C64 and the Atari.
@Loutre, Darius II/Sagaia and Strider were also early arcade game to home video game console conversions of video games that are on the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive, so do not come at me with that fucking bullshit excuse!
Where's diskun!?!?!?
I do not know?
Let’s Compare Forgotten Worlds
1: Arcade (1988)
2: Amiga (1989)
3: Atari St (1989)
4: Sega Genesis (1989)
5: Commodore 64 (1989)
6: Amstrad Cpc (1989)
7: Zx Spectrum (1989)
8: Pc Dos (1991)
9: Master System (1991)
10: Turbografx-CD (1992)
The genesis version was rushed, it came out years before the master system and pc engine cd version. If it came out in 1992 it (apart from the obvious cd soundtrack) would of kicked the pc engine to pieces. Still does in some ways in sprite numbers and animations apart from the rotating cogs, but you could hardly call it animation but then the master system by then had it so we can safely say it would of kicked.
I didn't know there are more than 3 different versions.
0:24 sounds like a late night Taco Bell fart!!!
"Did you find the guy?" Main character sounds really manly!
Was the Amstrad port written in ASCII?
I ask that question all the time, whenever I see any of the Spectrum or early Amstrad videos on youtube.
Otro video fenomenal de Retrosutra, uno más. Tuve la versión de Atari ST. El control era un poco complicado, pero aun así con dos jugadores era divertido. Y la banda sonora era descomunal, como si Camela y Jean Michel Jarré la hubiesen hecho a medias. Este juego me hace pensar que antes nos quejábamos menos y jugábamos más😁
Gracias @FCB1975 yo también noté ese toque flamenco a la banda sonora y me hizo gracia, jaja. Por cierto, ¿lograste llegar muy lejos en Atari ST? Esa versión me ha parecido MUY difícil (y la de C64 aún más).
@@retrosutra Jugando a dobles con mi hermano, que es un fenómeno con los videojuegos, llegamos al final. Cuando jugaba sólo, lo máximo que lograba era liquidar al Dios de la Guerra. Ya sabes, el tochazo descomunal al que hay que dispararle en los hombros y tal. En la siguiente fase me merendaban crudo. Era difícil, aunque cuando has jugado a Rainbow Islands todo te parece ya tirado 😄
Sí, recuerdo al gigante ese, aunque yo me lo pasaba en Mega Drive que era muuuuucho más sencillo. Las demás versiones domésticas no las había ni probado. Desde luego, los juegos de ahora no tienen nada que ver con los de antes en cuanto a dificultad...
@@retrosutra Una locura. Lo de Dinamic era de Juzgado de Guardia, el The New Zealand Story lo diseñó un demente o algo así... Y había auténticos jugones. Recuerdo ver a mi hermano pasándose el arcade "The Legend of Hero Tonma" y lo miraba como si viese al tipo de la película DARYL 😄
... The hell am I looking at?
thanks for that comparison.
regarding the game - it completely sucks. completely random shoot em up sidescroller, annoying sound track and effects. nothing makes sense here. what a crap
Have you even played the game? The Mega Drive port is a fantastic time to be had.