DeMar DeRozan's longevity is underrated. Entering year 15 and still a 20+ point scorer. I didn't expect this when the Raptors drafted him in 09 as a raw athlete and the fact that he's been realitively healthy his whole career while putting up his productivity is fantastic.
The longevity of this generation has been overshadowed by the poster boy of longevity. It’s actually crazy how many “current” stars have surpassed the longevity of a lot of legends
Saying Steph isn't a better Point Guard all time than Magic isn't crazy but the fact that he said that Steph wasn't a point guard when his main position has been point guard cause of playstyle and saying he didn't revolutionize the game is insane.
Steph has been an offball SG his whole life. He isn't exactly a Pg. In the words of Paul Pierce "he's a wing guy" . Same as Allen Iverson except AI is an on ball juggernaut
@@debonairdemigod You mean since 2016 because he was "traditional" before that. Steph is a PG just how West was one and Oscar was one. To me Magic is a Point Forward he wasn't defending the opponent PG anyway that was Cooper and Scott who was doing that. And outside of Zeke who averaged a 26 ppg Finals when he won his FMVP and has the most point in a quarter in playoff history (not very "traditional" for a PG btw), TRADITIONAL PG don't win SHIT as the first option anyway they all are 3rd or 4th option when they win a ring (look at Cousy behind Russell and Heinsohn, Payton as a role player in Miami or Kidd behind Dirk, Jet/Marion )
@@paquinraino8180 Dear moron, it's not a PG's job to "win things"!! If your best player is your SMALLEST player, your team SUCKS!!!! Yall ignore the defence of Klay/Dray and act like STRENGTH IN NUMBERS wasn't a thing. So disrespectful.
"Curry aint a traditional point guard" Magic is a point forward not a traditional pg. No traditional pg was scoring in the paint with sky hooks and playing center in the finals 😂😂 Also people never watch stephs full games bc if they did, theyd see that hes an elite playmaker. He runs a lot of the offense for golden state whether on ball or offball. Hes also a great passer
I hate the steph ain't a true point guard argument. Just cause he doesn't drop 10+ assists he's still a darn good playmaker, but because he's a good shooter he's not a point guard.
it’s a lazy argument. basketball has evolved way past positions, why are we still holding players to the standards of those positions when we all wanna talk about positionless ball? being a traditional point guard does not matter.
@@deanoss777 BECAUSE you want it BOTH ways!! "Positionless" when you want YOUR fave to make the All Star/All NBA team. "Positions" when you want to talk all time.
Steph averaged 30 with 7 assist 2016 mvp season. I don’t understand the “true point guard” bs. You get called a true point guard because you lack half court scoring ability.😂
It will always be a stupid argument. Steph not being a true pg because he's not "traditional" is insane since Magic is anything but traditional as a PG. Dude was an anomaly in his era, most dude his size can't even dribble the ball without looking at it and he was doing tricks on it on both hands, pause.
People gotta remember that adding muscle mass is a genetic thing on top of training. Some people can lift 5 times a week and not gain too much while some people can lift 1 time a week and gain more muscle
Nothing abt Steph to the game today is just "enhanced" he literally made 3pt shooting the staple in basketball. Without him offense wouldn't be what it is today.
@@courtneyvaldez7903maybe for a few games. But are u more likely to go cold from 3 or go cold from 2? The 2018 rockets are a perfect example of why basketball isn’t math class. Too many variables to account for.
@@dazgordon-hill2660Well number one steph doesn’t just jack up threes. And two if “jacking up threes” means shooting closer to 43 percent on 10 attempts including off the dribble and off the catch then that is greatness.
The hooper being someone that "can dominate in any team anywhere in the world" is so stupid because Giannis and Steph are probably THE 2 players literally every single team would gut their own depth just to have them because no matter what they would be a definite improvement.
@@dazgordon-hill2660 And you gatekeeping a position when we got forwards and centers passing ,shooting, defending on the perimeter, and playmaking. Game has evolved and he's a big reason for that grandpa. 🤡
Since 2008, the world is catching up. A team with the Gasol brothers, Rudy Fernández and a bunch of Euroleague stars ran the USA close in Beijing. Like tied with a few minutes left kind of close
Chet benefitting from a year with NBA trainers and getting used to the NBA lifestyle very well could be why Chet wins ROTY and looks like the better prospect in their rookie years.
Idk man. I think bro in the last video was kinda cooking about the Wemby media hype machine. The NBA was providing free access to his games in France for the entire season before he got drafted with their own English commentary and everything. Yes we're allowed to be excited but there is such a thing as too much. And as he rightfully said, I can already imagine the thinks Perk and Shaq and Steven A are going to say about him if he's anything less than the goat. So I think he was kinda right in some parts and not so right in others
he was, idk wth solz and sage were yappin about lmao, they are applying waaay too much hype and pressure onto victor, they need to be more realistic. Now i will say the european player comment the dude made was pointless
I get the "dont overhype players" argument, but the main problem was the dude in the video who knows nothing about wembanyamas skillset saying hes the same as bol bol, then using the fact he played in europe to discredit him
@@Khallos it’s not discrediting. Basketball isn’t the same in Europe as it is here. Hyping him up this crazy and if he doesn’t match expectations he will crumble😭 it’s not him hating him for being European it’s the fact that he isn’t even adjusted like other Europeans players were
as a franchise player on a championship team, i'm likely to be offered more money by the organisation anyway in the future having brought them a ring.@@Micisme86
Wemby and holmgreen will NEVER EVER have a giannis growth... giannis randomly grew 2 inches and put on 51lbs of MUSCLE not fat... his achilles is twice the length of other nba players
Holmgren won't because that's not how his body is built, he was rehabbing and working out all last year yet only gained 13 pounds, which is great but he's still smaller than most Sg's. Wemby casually put on 20 pounds of weight from the year before to his draft weight, he definitely is a lot more likely to have a giannis like transformation than chet especially if u have seen the workout pics recently u can tell he's put on muscle already
Solz has fr went from lawful good into full on chaotic neutral/evil. I know that sounds nerdy but bruh… bsolz fr became the evil he wanted to banish a long time ago. EY maybe sage did corrupt him, maybe sage infected Solz with the trolling germs and Solz infected sage with the reasonable germs, cuz ngl he is turning into the voice of reason.
The Canadian team argument is flawed. Shai (their best player) attending US schooling during highschool and college. The same goes for Brooks. These guys weren’t born and bred in Canada, they spent their childhoods there but spent their developmental years in the states.
The very first take…I disagree with the logic being used by bsolz to disagree. I’m not saying I agree with dude…bsolz just doesn’t attack the basis of the opinion
I agree but must say that I agree with the guy in the tiktok. It's plain to see what he's talking about. Magic had unconventional size for a PG, but his game was textbook point guard play. Meanwhile, Steph would legit be a 2 guard if he was any taller. He's only slotted in at the 1 bc of his size. That's not to say he hasn't or can't play point, but realistically, he's not a point guard given his MO of affecting the game.
@@T.H.E.O.R.Y.thats not how that works. Why does it matter if he’s not a “traditional point guard”? Just call him a non-traditional point guard and keep it pushing. You cant say “if he was any taller” cuz he’s just not.
Team plays non traditional basketball... but wants traditional praise? SOUNDS RETARDED!!! It's "position less" one minute then "position or GTFO" the next!!
Bro crazy thing is I've seen Jokic get the most love from my (subjective) hood. Yes it's anecdotal evidence but a big who can shoot and put it on the floor whilst dishing out a healthy amount of assists will always be welcomes by pure basketball enthusiasts.
It does not have to be USA vs the world, US vs. Europe would match up very well. This would be close in size regarding population. Europe has enough talent to match the superstars of the US.
The reason why people keep trying to hold on to the idea of a treditional point guard is because guards today are asked to do more and therefore inharently more skilled on average. Steph affects the other teams defense more effectively than magics passing because Steph is a threat with OR without the ball. Steph being on the court changes the entire defensive scheme for teams. Magic needed the ball in his hands in order to have that effect on teams with his passing. Magic didn't create opportunities without the ball by setting screens or by being a dangerous off ball shot maker. Steph is the better PG
Jokic is hated out of ignorance imo. Like most of his haters dont actually watch him and adsume they dont like him and let that be the basis for the slander they put on his name. Its sad too bc Jokic has one of the most enjoyable games to watch of all time and people watch espn and let Sas and Perk (both of them bafoons) form their opinions for them. Too many basketball fans dont watch basketball and it shows
Steph averaged 30 with 7 assist 2016 mvp season. I don’t understand the “true point guard” bs. You get called a true point guard because you lack half court scoring ability.😂
11:20 - As an NBA fan who is kind of only aware of TV and online discourse...is this actually true? Do people really dislike Jokic that much IRL? And if so, why?
Please can we do old heads drinking game? The last one was sooooo good. Make solz take a drink every time Bobby goes behind the back, he’ll be done after the first game lol
They argue Steph ain’t a traditional PG so he can’t be number 1, then by that logic Magic cannot be number 1 either since he wasn’t a traditional PG either. Average PG at the time was below 6’5 - 6’4 and then Magic comes in at 6’9 guarding Forwards instead of Guards so Steph and Magic can’t be number 1 by that dumbass logic
In aspect of the FIBA conversation... why does Canada count against the USA? That's four continents and countries bordering the US. It should be North America vs the World at least. I'm pretty sure Canada's bball community is heavily influenced by the US bball culture anyway.
Because snobs want to push the agenda that the NBA isn’t ‘real basketball’ and that the EuroLeague is the definitive way to play. They jerk off over low post play and “FuNdAmEnTaLs” and think all NBA games consist of iso plays.
20:09 I think what melo is getting at is the “natural sense” of hoopin for the guys he mentioned, like watching them hoop n probably hoopin against them just seems jaw dropping compared to mind blowing like Giannis and lebron’s gameplay typically is 🤷🏽♂️
People need to realize that a lot of rhe reason Steph doesnt have super high assist numbers is bc hes just definitely the best off ball player of all time. Not to mention he has a top 10 bag ever imo. Steph gets over hated bc some fans dont like how the game is played today
7:20 idk if 60s even count as Oldhead Drinking Game cause in 2023, old heads have no clue how they played in the 60s. They think "Old School" is back to the basket, slowass post play - but 60s was straight cardio, crazy shots and turnovers
@@dazgordon-hill2660 draymond is the 4, even sometimes the 5. And he’s not a perimeter player. The only “PG thing” he does is he passes the ball which i guess is enough
@@kidflashiv Yes - RUN THE OFFENCE and COACH THE TEAM!!!! STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!! NOT "Steph Curry or bust"!!!! Yall one minute scream "MODERN NBA IS POSITIONLESS".. then want to shoehorn these players into "greatest at THEIR position". It's stupid and disingenuous. John Stockton is a better PG than Steph Curry. All tile leading in assists AND steals. Steph is a great shooter lauded for shooting!!! And Draymond is a SF. All around great play. Just like LeBron isn't a PF. While Karl Malone is
@@dazgordon-hill2660 I’ve never said anything about positionless basketball. Positions still exist in today’s game. They’ve just evolved from previous eras. Steph is what you’d want in current star PG.
@@kidflashiv Yall isn't you. Yall is "widely recognised". BUT apparently nobody's ever said it... cos I get this response, as if I just made the phrase up!!! What next - I made up the term "load management"???
Chet or Vic puttin on 50 lbs isn't realistic. Look at a KG or KD, most lanky guys don't get that big. Even Jermaine O'Neal, Dirk, or AD didn't transform like that.
Bro literally said "Steph is unlike any other PG before him but he didn't revolutionize the game he just enhanced it, Magic revolutionized the game by playing like everybody else but taller and better" some ppl should listen to the shit they record because that's a negative IQ take
I can never take steph slander seriously anymore
Same
It's not serious anymore
That’s fine. We still gonna do it. Bron better
@@LetMeEatDemthat's fine. Kobe and timmy still better than bron
@@manz7860 💀☠
DeMar DeRozan's longevity is underrated. Entering year 15 and still a 20+ point scorer. I didn't expect this when the Raptors drafted him in 09 as a raw athlete and the fact that he's been realitively healthy his whole career while putting up his productivity is fantastic.
The longevity of this generation has been overshadowed by the poster boy of longevity. It’s actually crazy how many “current” stars have surpassed the longevity of a lot of legends
INcorret
@@RemyKingKenReal
Giannis transformation is really slept on. Not easy
Exactly, it takes discipline and a serious work ethic. Wemby isn't going to wake up one day like Peter Parker did and suddenly have muscles.
@@darkstarmedia ong, good analogy too😂
@@darkstarmediaand some roids.
@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392And genetics
Good steroid cycle helps alot
The 60s drinking game would be lit
Ong I’m waiting for that. I’m here for the 130 pace, fast breaks, pull up goofy jumpers.
It’s tough to define “pure hooper” its just a feeling like “o he nice”
Bob Cousy was a pure hooper frfr
Sounds like Tween hesi cross splash to me
@@j_quan2594 ain't nth wrong with some good ole tween hesi splash
@@j_quan2594Tween tween hesi fake pass jumpshot go crazy
@@tenseyyy3019Him and Jerry West like Batman and Superman fr
You know it’s a good day when Solz and Sage uploads
We need another drinking game with dom2k 😭
And Solz gotta listen to Birdman and not just pop bottles out the gate ahaha
Next drinking game: watch any 2018 rockets game and take a shot every time they attempt a 3 and every time James Harden isos 😭
The old heads game
@@ImAviex lol solz was a vibe that video
Saying Steph isn't a better Point Guard all time than Magic isn't crazy but the fact that he said that Steph wasn't a point guard when his main position has been point guard cause of playstyle and saying he didn't revolutionize the game is insane.
Steph has been an offball SG his whole life. He isn't exactly a Pg. In the words of Paul Pierce "he's a wing guy" . Same as Allen Iverson except AI is an on ball juggernaut
@@debonairdemigod You mean since 2016 because he was "traditional" before that. Steph is a PG just how West was one and Oscar was one. To me Magic is a Point Forward he wasn't defending the opponent PG anyway that was Cooper and Scott who was doing that.
And outside of Zeke who averaged a 26 ppg Finals when he won his FMVP and has the most point in a quarter in playoff history (not very "traditional" for a PG btw), TRADITIONAL PG don't win SHIT as the first option anyway they all are 3rd or 4th option when they win a ring (look at Cousy behind Russell and Heinsohn, Payton as a role player in Miami or Kidd behind Dirk, Jet/Marion )
You praise Steph's SHOOTING... so how ISN'T he a "shooting guard"??
@@paquinraino8180
Dear moron, it's not a PG's job to "win things"!!
If your best player is your SMALLEST player, your team SUCKS!!!!
Yall ignore the defence of Klay/Dray and act like STRENGTH IN NUMBERS wasn't a thing.
So disrespectful.
@@dazgordon-hill2660 michael jordan was a shooting guard and doesnt shoot the ball nearly as well as steph, whats your point
"Curry aint a traditional point guard" Magic is a point forward not a traditional pg. No traditional pg was scoring in the paint with sky hooks and playing center in the finals 😂😂
Also people never watch stephs full games bc if they did, theyd see that hes an elite playmaker. He runs a lot of the offense for golden state whether on ball or offball. Hes also a great passer
I hate the steph ain't a true point guard argument. Just cause he doesn't drop 10+ assists he's still a darn good playmaker, but because he's a good shooter he's not a point guard.
Shaq isn't a power forward....
it’s a lazy argument. basketball has evolved way past positions, why are we still holding players to the standards of those positions when we all wanna talk about positionless ball? being a traditional point guard does not matter.
@@deanoss777
BECAUSE you want it BOTH ways!!
"Positionless" when you want YOUR fave to make the All Star/All NBA team.
"Positions" when you want to talk all time.
Steph averaged 30 with 7 assist 2016 mvp season. I don’t understand the “true point guard” bs. You get called a true point guard because you lack half court scoring ability.😂
It will always be a stupid argument. Steph not being a true pg because he's not "traditional" is insane since Magic is anything but traditional as a PG. Dude was an anomaly in his era, most dude his size can't even dribble the ball without looking at it and he was doing tricks on it on both hands, pause.
Gil definitely lays awake at night in a freezing cold sweat thinking about how he shoulda won a ring 😂
Nah if you watch his podcast.he lays awake at night in a freezing cold sweat thinking bout all the rookie careers he fucked up
People gotta remember that adding muscle mass is a genetic thing on top of training. Some people can lift 5 times a week and not gain too much while some people can lift 1 time a week and gain more muscle
giannis is a greek god
Exactly. Austin reeves and Giannis can spend the same amount of time in they gym, but Giannis will gain more muscle
Nothing abt Steph to the game today is just "enhanced" he literally made 3pt shooting the staple in basketball. Without him offense wouldn't be what it is today.
And offense today is at a very low point. Teams just jack up threes without caring abt efficiency.
@@akaliotp6766A hundred 3pt shot attempts at 34% outscores a hundred 2pt shots at 50%.
@@courtneyvaldez7903maybe for a few games. But are u more likely to go cold from 3 or go cold from 2? The 2018 rockets are a perfect example of why basketball isn’t math class. Too many variables to account for.
Jacking up 3s =/= greatness
@@dazgordon-hill2660Well number one steph doesn’t just jack up threes. And two if “jacking up threes” means shooting closer to 43 percent on 10 attempts including off the dribble and off the catch then that is greatness.
The hooper being someone that "can dominate in any team anywhere in the world" is so stupid because Giannis and Steph are probably THE 2 players literally every single team would gut their own depth just to have them because no matter what they would be a definite improvement.
Naah Bob Cousy can ball low-key man...
Nah fr. Some of them passes was nice😅
Also back in his day they were very strict about carrying and travelling so it was hard to get flashier than what he did
You actually had to dribble back then too
@@kidflashiv yeah he's clearly nice, calling them plumbers is definitely a stretch
@@unc54 damn, we've got to start giving more respect to the older generation fr
Calling Kawhi paw print is WILD AF lol 😂
Jokic doesn't have more haters then fans bruh.
nah he lowkey right people hate Jokic irl
Bob Cousy is Jason Williams if he played during segregation 😂
Him and pistol Pete were awesome players to watch I mean we all know they can’t compete now but still great entertainers
@@tenseyyy3019expecting past players to not adjust to the new game is arrogance. It’s just as stupid as saying LeBron couldn’t play in the 80s
@@tenseyyy3019ay Pete could compete just find today 🗿
@@TheTemper-KingLebron would just have to play rougher. Bob cousey would have to get some defense
@@appleboss9742 not really. Defense from a guard barely matters. Look at Trae Young as an example. He still impacts winning with subpar defense
He’s not a traditional point guard but Steph has changed the meaning of PG
Not even.
Yall reclassified a shooting guard so you could call him the best ever...
@@dazgordon-hill2660 And you gatekeeping a position when we got forwards and centers passing ,shooting, defending on the perimeter, and playmaking. Game has evolved and he's a big reason for that grandpa. 🤡
@@dazgordon-hill2660listed as a pg
@@dazgordon-hill2660He's a point guard, you being in your feelings won't change it btw.
120MS with a ring all day
Well nah Magic may have been 6’9 but he still played the traditional point guard role.
3:20 finally agreeing with a sage take😂 good content y’all
Since 2008, the world is catching up. A team with the Gasol brothers, Rudy Fernández and a bunch of Euroleague stars ran the USA close in Beijing. Like tied with a few minutes left kind of close
Y'all gotta do a drinking game drinking everytime wilt gets a point or sum like that
Saying Wemby and Chet’s floor is Giannis is insane💀
how is bron n steph not in the hooper list 🤣 aint nobody stopping them in the league, what gives the rest of the world a chance?
Chet benefitting from a year with NBA trainers and getting used to the NBA lifestyle very well could be why Chet wins ROTY and looks like the better prospect in their rookie years.
Only thing that might hinder him is if they try to keep their roster pretty deep and balancing minutes.
Idk man. I think bro in the last video was kinda cooking about the Wemby media hype machine. The NBA was providing free access to his games in France for the entire season before he got drafted with their own English commentary and everything. Yes we're allowed to be excited but there is such a thing as too much. And as he rightfully said, I can already imagine the thinks Perk and Shaq and Steven A are going to say about him if he's anything less than the goat. So I think he was kinda right in some parts and not so right in others
he was, idk wth solz and sage were yappin about lmao, they are applying waaay too much hype and pressure onto victor, they need to be more realistic. Now i will say the european player comment the dude made was pointless
I get the "dont overhype players" argument, but the main problem was the dude in the video who knows nothing about wembanyamas skillset saying hes the same as bol bol, then using the fact he played in europe to discredit him
Bol bol is a horrible defender in year 4 and Wembanyama is a great defender in year 1, and wemby is wayyy more agile
@@Khallos it’s not discrediting. Basketball isn’t the same in Europe as it is here. Hyping him up this crazy and if he doesn’t match expectations he will crumble😭 it’s not him hating him for being European it’s the fact that he isn’t even adjusted like other Europeans players were
if i'm a star player then 120M with a ring fuck we talking bout?
50 million that's what
as a franchise player on a championship team, i'm likely to be offered more money by the organisation anyway in the future having brought them a ring.@@Micisme86
Wemby and holmgreen will NEVER EVER have a giannis growth... giannis randomly grew 2 inches and put on 51lbs of MUSCLE not fat... his achilles is twice the length of other nba players
Giannis also had a wide frame even he was skinny, So more area to put on muscle.
Holmgren won't because that's not how his body is built, he was rehabbing and working out all last year yet only gained 13 pounds, which is great but he's still smaller than most Sg's. Wemby casually put on 20 pounds of weight from the year before to his draft weight, he definitely is a lot more likely to have a giannis like transformation than chet especially if u have seen the workout pics recently u can tell he's put on muscle already
22:34 I’m scared to ask what a PB&B is 😂
21:48 this take aged really bad the hype was totally warranted 😂
Solz has fr went from lawful good into full on chaotic neutral/evil. I know that sounds nerdy but bruh… bsolz fr became the evil he wanted to banish a long time ago. EY maybe sage did corrupt him, maybe sage infected Solz with the trolling germs and Solz infected sage with the reasonable germs, cuz ngl he is turning into the voice of reason.
Pure hooper is just vibes based with a bias for iso scoring skills
Y’all gotta get on some of the players choice clips, they talk crazy
The Canadian team argument is flawed. Shai (their best player) attending US schooling during highschool and college. The same goes for Brooks. These guys weren’t born and bred in Canada, they spent their childhoods there but spent their developmental years in the states.
we need the old head drinking game asap
The very first take…I disagree with the logic being used by bsolz to disagree. I’m not saying I agree with dude…bsolz just doesn’t attack the basis of the opinion
I agree but must say that I agree with the guy in the tiktok.
It's plain to see what he's talking about. Magic had unconventional size for a PG, but his game was textbook point guard play.
Meanwhile, Steph would legit be a 2 guard if he was any taller. He's only slotted in at the 1 bc of his size. That's not to say he hasn't or can't play point, but realistically, he's not a point guard given his MO of affecting the game.
@@T.H.E.O.R.Y.that’s just the state of the game today, most of the point guards starting today wouldn’t be slotted as a “pure point guard”
@@T.H.E.O.R.Y.SANE PERSON
@@eddie2379Cop-out response.
@@T.H.E.O.R.Y.thats not how that works. Why does it matter if he’s not a “traditional point guard”? Just call him a non-traditional point guard and keep it pushing. You cant say “if he was any taller” cuz he’s just not.
People forget that Giannis is a literal fucking anomaly. Not everyone can just casually gain 50 pounds of muscle. Especially chet and wemby.
The idea that "curry isnt a pg" is so dumb. If you are that into traditional positions then who is golden states pg?
Team plays non traditional basketball... but wants traditional praise?
SOUNDS RETARDED!!!
It's "position less" one minute then "position or GTFO" the next!!
Bro crazy thing is I've seen Jokic get the most love from my (subjective) hood. Yes it's anecdotal evidence but a big who can shoot and put it on the floor whilst dishing out a healthy amount of assists will always be welcomes by pure basketball enthusiasts.
Need the old head drinking game
We want that old head drinking game
We need the old head drinking game lol
I wonder what OG's defition of revolution is 😂
The "pure hooper" "bag talk" balldontstop ass takes be killin me.
I’m actually crying at “Bob Rondo” 😭😭😂
A 60s Drinking Game would go crazy
i love this channel yall are funny as hell
I want the 50s drinking game man. Make it happen
If im top 3 player on the team im going with the ring options but if im a bench warmer or 6 man im taking the money
It does not have to be USA vs the world, US vs. Europe would match up very well.
This would be close in size regarding population.
Europe has enough talent to match the superstars of the US.
Idk TikTok is basically just the worst twitter takes in a video on ball it’s funny🤣🤣
You could put wemby and Chet on tren and make them eat 10k calories a day and I don’t think they’re gaining more than 30lbs of muscle
Wemby has already put on 20+ pounds from the year before in France to his draft weight from 207-230
The reason why people keep trying to hold on to the idea of a treditional point guard is because guards today are asked to do more and therefore inharently more skilled on average. Steph affects the other teams defense more effectively than magics passing because Steph is a threat with OR without the ball. Steph being on the court changes the entire defensive scheme for teams. Magic needed the ball in his hands in order to have that effect on teams with his passing. Magic didn't create opportunities without the ball by setting screens or by being a dangerous off ball shot maker. Steph is the better PG
Magic johnson was mr triple double and you saying he needs the ball
@@VictorVonson to get triple doubles you kinda have to be getting the ball a lot 🤣 also being 6'9 helps. Steph still has more of an impact on offense.
Old Head drinking GAME!! I'm with it!!!!
Jokic is hated out of ignorance imo. Like most of his haters dont actually watch him and adsume they dont like him and let that be the basis for the slander they put on his name. Its sad too bc Jokic has one of the most enjoyable games to watch of all time and people watch espn and let Sas and Perk (both of them bafoons) form their opinions for them. Too many basketball fans dont watch basketball and it shows
Aye shoutout solz for the constant content
Steph averaged 30 with 7 assist 2016 mvp season. I don’t understand the “true point guard” bs. You get called a true point guard because you lack half court scoring ability.😂
Who lined up my man Bsolz, that shit looks slanted no? or am I tripping cuz he has the fcam not centered.
Plus, you can use that 120 to make more if you use it right.
Wtw old head drinking game we need that
24:10 is the realest thing I've heard in a long time.
Ppl not calling steph a point just because he has off ball game is crazy to me
Playing off ball = not a PG.
Why are you guys SO DESPERATE to over praise him???
@@dazgordon-hill2660 so a traditional point is useless without the ball? that explaims why they never win
@@mikeesteves8427
When you praise a guy's SHOOTING, you're not lauding for being "coach on the floor".
Melo never won.
So much for "pure hoopers".
@@dazgordon-hill2660Using the word desperate when you're desperate to shit on steph is hilarious.
@@dazgordon-hill2660you gotta be above 30 years old 😂😂😂 go back to glazing MJ old head 😹
0:55 bro took me tf out😭😭
The difference between Bol Bol and Víctor Wenbanyama is that Victor has shown ACTUAL skill.
Chill/OG says so much smart stuff and then he hits us with the irrational old head bull-cap
Then you say "old head" like the young are infallible..
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@@dazgordon-hill2660The fossils mad 😹
Cant wait to see the reaction to mustard's video on Gil's arena takes.
If your went from 20 to 25 yeah you actually are catching up sure your not even close but are you catching up yes
bro someone explain to me how BOB FUCKING COUSY has more of a bag then Johnny Stockton....
Old head in their feelings once again.
11:20 - As an NBA fan who is kind of only aware of TV and online discourse...is this actually true? Do people really dislike Jokic that much IRL? And if so, why?
Please can we do old heads drinking game? The last one was sooooo good. Make solz take a drink every time Bobby goes behind the back, he’ll be done after the first game lol
Being mixed is really like that😂
i want the old head drinking video 🤖
They argue Steph ain’t a traditional PG so he can’t be number 1, then by that logic Magic cannot be number 1 either since he wasn’t a traditional PG either. Average PG at the time was below 6’5 - 6’4 and then Magic comes in at 6’9 guarding Forwards instead of Guards so Steph and Magic can’t be number 1 by that dumbass logic
Magic PLAYED traditional point guard
Expecting Giannis growth is wild
Availability is the main ability and NBA players don’t care about their country enough to play…all the rest is noise
Broooo people hate lebron so much that you see ppl use there accounts on youtube Instagram etc specifically to hate lebron in every shape or form
In aspect of the FIBA conversation... why does Canada count against the USA? That's four continents and countries bordering the US. It should be North America vs the World at least. I'm pretty sure Canada's bball community is heavily influenced by the US bball culture anyway.
Because snobs want to push the agenda that the NBA isn’t ‘real basketball’ and that the EuroLeague is the definitive way to play. They jerk off over low post play and “FuNdAmEnTaLs” and think all NBA games consist of iso plays.
20:09 I think what melo is getting at is the “natural sense” of hoopin for the guys he mentioned, like watching them hoop n probably hoopin against them just seems jaw dropping compared to mind blowing like Giannis and lebron’s gameplay typically is 🤷🏽♂️
If the world wasn't catching up, why are there more foreign stars now than before? Hell two of them won chips in like the last 5 years
Nah Solz, Harden was a PG the 1st year with CP3 and 2 years before that. He has more years as a SG than PG
People need to realize that a lot of rhe reason Steph doesnt have super high assist numbers is bc hes just definitely the best off ball player of all time. Not to mention he has a top 10 bag ever imo. Steph gets over hated bc some fans dont like how the game is played today
Steph is the best pg. if you make the best starting line up with all players ever curry is a must at the pg position. Underrated defense too
No.
I’d put him on the team cause I have bron on the team but magic is still better
7:20 idk if 60s even count as Oldhead Drinking Game cause in 2023, old heads have no clue how they played in the 60s. They think "Old School" is back to the basket, slowass post play - but 60s was straight cardio, crazy shots and turnovers
If steph isn’t the PG for the Warriors, then who is?
Draymond
@@dazgordon-hill2660 draymond is the 4, even sometimes the 5. And he’s not a perimeter player. The only “PG thing” he does is he passes the ball which i guess is enough
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Yes - RUN THE OFFENCE and COACH THE TEAM!!!!
STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!
NOT "Steph Curry or bust"!!!!
Yall one minute scream "MODERN NBA IS POSITIONLESS".. then want to shoehorn these players into "greatest at THEIR position".
It's stupid and disingenuous.
John Stockton is a better PG than Steph Curry.
All tile leading in assists AND steals.
Steph is a great shooter lauded for shooting!!!
And Draymond is a SF.
All around great play.
Just like LeBron isn't a PF.
While Karl Malone is
@@dazgordon-hill2660 I’ve never said anything about positionless basketball. Positions still exist in today’s game. They’ve just evolved from previous eras. Steph is what you’d want in current star PG.
@@kidflashiv
Yall isn't you.
Yall is "widely recognised".
BUT apparently nobody's ever said it... cos I get this response, as if I just made the phrase up!!!
What next - I made up the term "load management"???
Chet or Vic puttin on 50 lbs isn't realistic. Look at a KG or KD, most lanky guys don't get that big. Even Jermaine O'Neal, Dirk, or AD didn't transform like that.
This man tried to make an argument for Canada and mention RJ Barrett brah
Saying the world is catching up because of FIBA ball is insane 🤣🤣🤣
As long as it’s 10 million plus, I’d pay 5 million for a ring. That’s probably it
Bruh SOLZ you really tryna say this year team wasn’t the C TEAM
Magic johnson had no left. Especially if we're gonna clown john stocktons handles.
Sage forgot when the warriors had DLo
Bro literally said "Steph is unlike any other PG before him but he didn't revolutionize the game he just enhanced it, Magic revolutionized the game by playing like everybody else but taller and better" some ppl should listen to the shit they record because that's a negative IQ take
120mil before or after tax?
Chill wasn't being hypocritical there a difference between PLAYING and LOOKING different from a traditional PG.
Changing the Rules Part 3: Traveling / Dribbling can you react to this
Hating on Steph even after he got 4 rings is wild mans is literally a goat
How many full season lebron sit out they had to sit out season it’s not the same