DON’T Turn Your Shoulders in the Golf Swing! ❌
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ธ.ค. 2023
- In this Video, Riley and TJ dive deep into common misconceptions around the term “Shoulder Turn” in golf instruction.
When we are referring to shoulder turn, what we are really referring to is rotation of the spine. This in turn affects how we move the shoulders, but we can move those shoulders in more ways than you may think…
This leads to a fascinating discussion of how to control the instrument (golf club) with this shoulder turn. We hope you all enjoy!
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This has to be the best thing I’ve seen when it comes to TH-cam tuition. Haven’t seen this anywhere else & implemented this today & has made such a difference to my movement. Hitting it further with less effort. Don’t usually comment but wanted to come back to this & say thanks as always find your videos great but this simple explanation has made such a difference.
So glad it helped man 🙏
Another gem of a video. You folks are quickly becoming a favorite to me. Your video made me realize I was swinging along my set shoulder plane which is tilted down and away from target which was giving me fits on getting on plane. Thank you so much!
Great to hear! Glad you enjoyed
Your passion to teach and break down the golf swing into smaller parts creating simple maps for your subscribers / students to learn from is amazing !
Thank you for all the detail you guys put into these videos !
Happy holidays
We appreciate you bro 🙏 thank you
You boys are the bomb! I’m a 6-7 capper who recently won a buddies 6 day 40 guy golf tourney at Casa de Campo and I truly believe my success was due to things I have learned from your vid’s! In particular, the concept of late loading of the lead arm/ spiral load unload ! Was an amazing revelation for me and translated into the best driving week of my life - crushed it all week, deep and in play. Amazing! Please keep it up - learning so much about proper movement maps, use of the clubs design, and the various functions /roles of the body segments. Thanks so much! Happy holidays to you!
Fantastic!! So excited for you! Good playing!!!! And keep us posted on your progress!
Once again i’ve got to give you guys credit. I started watching your videos about a month ago, and I’ve learned an incredible amount from you. I’ve never heard anybody talk about shoulder rotation this way, and it makes so much sense. Same thing with your videos about hip movement and clearance. I’ve been hitting the ball with a lot more confidence and positive results as a result of the knowledge I’m gleaning from you guys, and from Milo. I love your collaboration. Thank you. 😊
Fantastic man! That’s why we do it! Sure is fun to hit great shots! Keep us posted and keep on flushing!
Best TH-cam instruction by miles if you really want to understand the golf swing . Thanks again guys when my numbers come up I’m flying over for a week!
Let’s go brother! Can’t wait to meet you and please keep us posted in the meantime!! 🙏❤️
I’ve watched all your videos and I’ve been very close to learning your Golf swing system. The Don’t turn your shoulders lesson is the game changer. After watching this video and applying it to my swing, my ball striking has improved 100%. This video is the missing link and now I am hitting flushers. You are the Best golf swing teachers I’ve ever seen. Thank you!!!
Wow! Just made our day!!!! So happy you’re hitting great shots and feeling good! Dynamite!!!! 🧨
Great video once again guys. Really enjoying and appreciating your content from the UK!
Fantastic! Thanks so much for the love ❤️ 🇬🇧
Awesome videos guys. Your videos got my pivot grooved. Flushing everything
Flushy flushy!!!! ❤️❤️
It's been a while now that I've followed you guys...ok so I turn 70 on Christmas day and play of 15, but you've given me so much hope that I can transform my swing, played today and despite not having any practice facilities, my iron play has improved enabling a front 9 of 43.
Got a long ways to go bring on 2024
Let’s go David! Glad to hear bro
Good stuff guys. I was aware of this in a way, but couldn't put it into action.
Worked along with you video and it feels great
Smooths out the transition yet really adds speed to the downswing for me anyway.
That small circle the trail shoulder makes really shows in acceleration through the hitting area.
Thanks
So fun! And so excited that you’re feeling nice with the ideas! Please keep us posted as you work through the concepts
This is gold for the frustrated slicer that has plagued me. I can see how establishing a better movement pattern will help me. Many thanks guys.
Glad you enjoyed man!
So cool!!! Rotating the trail shoulder first, is such a fun! I can pick up/back the shoulder as slow as I can and there’s still huge speed build up. So cool. And effortless. Swing is fun with you, thank you! Strangely, it works for putting, as well🤷🏽 Thinking about shoulder move, lines the put straight with no thinking 😃 about the put itself
Great feels! Thanks for watching 🙏
After a year it’s all starting to make sense. Hoping to get in for a lesson when I visit AZ in the next few months. Thanks lads
That would be sweet!! Would be an honor to work with ya 🙏
Yo, I can’t wait for the masterclasses. I’m really excited to see what it’s all about.
TH-cam video request 🙋
Can you make a video using a laser at the butt end of the club(ideally both ends, but…) & reveal to us how the shaft tracks in your system throughout the swing?
This would be a great addition in helping us understand in even more detail.
Love the channel
Sounds pretty cool! Would love to turn the lights off and make a swing as well! Could be super cool looking!!
Great shoulder video tips. Look more relax.
Great thank you!! 🙏
man you guys are awesome sharing these nuanced parts of the swing . Other instructors don’t by design or are simply unaware .
Just trying to help folks 🙏🙏 glad you’re enjoying them! ❤️
@@elitegolfschools just to clarify these are exaggerated sequence feels correct ? The actual real swing looks less. Or is it going so fast it’s actually like the explained sequence breakdown?
In a “secret move” video you mentioned lateral movement first and then rotation. This was a big unlock for me, creating space and helping me square the club face.
In this and other recent videos, I’ve seen nothing about the lateral first move. How does it connect to these shoulder movement concepts? What should trigger the backswing?
Appreciate all the content, thanks!
Rib sway, essentially. When done properly, the lateral move accomplishes both lateral and vertical movement of the trail scap/shoulder in one move ☝️
Another "elite" video. It is hard not to like you guys! Happy holidays.
Hahaha appreciate it! Thanks for the love! Merry merry! 🎄🎄
Wow - this is awesome! I haven't hit any balls outside as yet with the infinity swing, but while swinging indoors, I can easily keep connection with my upper arms in the armpit area. Will this produce a nice jump in my swing speed? You guys are the BEST on YT!!
Thank you so much! Wouldn’t be surprised if you see speed gainz
I’ve been looking for you guys for 4 years.
Haha right on! So happy to meet you! Keep us posted on any questions or comments you may have!
That's a gem worth a lot of strokes. Innovative understanding of biomechanics. Wowza!
Thanks man! Appreciate you!
Right on!!!! Hit em well!
Fantastic I need this thankyou 🙏
Let’s go!!
Hey guys, I seem to be able to get the drill with the dowel, but I’m struggling when I add the club. How do you suggest that I transition from drill to club. Many thanks for your help. Andrew
That was great. Thanks!
You're welcome!
Great insights!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome thanks so much guys
Right on! You bet!
Love that video spot on
Wow that’s interesting…Will definitely be working on that. 👏⛳️
Please do! And let us know how it goes 🙏
Eureka moment. I'm a flat turn guy but had no clue what to do about it. Thanks!
Fantastic! Gains gains!
Another great discussion. Merry Xmas lads
Same to you bro!
I know I’ve been commenting a lot on this but I see so many pros today (Hovland, Koepka, etc) and old school (Jack, Hogan, Snead, etc) moving the hand path in the over the top motion. Not really sure if the shoulders you are demonstrating here have a direct effect on the hand path but it looks like it does when TJ demonstrates it. I’ve been having success moving more the Victor Hovland way with straighter ball flights and fade b/c the path is getting left which I like…the key is to make sure the club is shallowing. Love this page and content!! Thoughts?
Yes, lots of variations of this… if you watch the hub path vs club path video, we speak towards Hovland’s pattern 🙏
I just saw your short on hickory g the tether ball to create angular momentum. I assume that is the hit you speak of?
So I cannot seem to get the club to drop at the start of the downswing. It looks like if I get my hands and club higher at the top of my backswing, then I can get the club to drip vertical then. Yes? I'm going to try this move and see what happens.
Is left arn connected to chest throughout the swings and leaves chest after impact?
what is the best place to go to see the options for lessons from your team? Either in person or online. the moves you describe make so much sense but I seem to miss some of the nuance that would pull it all together. P.S. Riley's excitment at when one of his students "gets" your system is very inspiring. you both are def born to teach. thanks.
Appreciate that so much man 🙏 visit elitegolfofaz.com for lesson options, links are in the description 👍
Great video about not turning shoulders in the golf swing. But how does this work when you are using the driver? Thank you.
Same way 👍
I know this is a stretch - but as a golfer and disc golfer I have to ask. The disc golf motion shares a lot of concepts with the golf swing. DG coaching is just getting started but not many true experts out there.
It would be so cool to see your take/explanation of the bio mechanics happening in the disc golf throw. Paul McBeth would be a great example if you give it a shot.
Love what you guys are doing.
Oh man!!! Now you’ve got us studying! We’ll do this at some point for sure. Would love to take a look 👁️
This makes a lot of sense, finally! Somebody puts it so I can understand, I’m 57 and my whole life I’ve struggled with over the top which I do just like you said not to for year and now lower back problems have arrived, so I translated this as opposed turn it’s more tilt up? The club needs to go up then around? So I took this to range today and wow what a difference I wasn’t getting stuck and which forces me over the top, and club came through the zone so much easier and slices and pulls were almost gone completely! So I’m turn to achieve this I brought the club more up as apposed to around!! Is this correct? FYI I’m a 6 handicap that has survived on being able to get up and down! This may have changed my life! Am I correct?
So many good maps!!!!! Yes! Love this! Might look into our global golf swing video as well. Can provide a better understanding of the club and how to manage its forces and where it travels through space 🙏🙏
@@elitegolfschools thank you 🙏🏻
Been steep for my whole life crazy. This was the last piece to the puzzle that I was finally looking for.
Fantastic!! Keep us posted!!
Best YT channel for golf instruction. I struggle a bit with lowering the right scapular… is your torso still closed to the target in that move? Merry Xmas to you guys!
Yes! Torso still closed because of this move! Merry merry!!
@@elitegolfschools guess the left shift/recentering move is key to tie in there 👍🏻
@@erflog yes yes yes! Great map!
Does the hit involve right arm right side apply active force or is it a passive reaction to the club swinging? Great video by the way
Can be both!
I understand your moves for the right shoulder. Struggling how the left shoulder works. Often in your videos I hear up, back and away.
Is this left shoulder move a passive force or and active pulling force?
Or??
The up back and away is the shape of the spiral line and its action through the swing
Great job simplifying the turn, so does the first move away is started by my right shoulder while everything else stay in sync?
Correct!
At the 8:52 mark, if you are hitting level into it, what other moves can I feel to compress the ball better?
Oh man! So many! Maintain arm structure, stay in back chain dominance through the strike, continue to motor the club with the chest, etc
If I started today how long would it take to change my swing? I’m a 3 handicap
As long as you’ve got a good map you’ll make proper gains ❤️
Is the vertical component shrugging the trail side scapula? Or is it more scapula retraction on a more vertical plane?
Excessive lead shoulder flexion is usually what we see from a vertical perspective
Just for clarity re vertical and horizontal. Is vertical normal to the ground or relative to the shoulders like a shrug motion? Thanks!
Vertical is in comparison to the ground, yes 👍
Very nice...It is ok to just concentrate on the back shoulder moving and not worry about what the front shoulder is doing?
Everyone is different for sure! Probably want to progress to feeling the entire move but individual pieces can help the whole map feel great!
Does your preferred method of swinging tend to be on the lower side of the backspin? Maybe I’m hitting too flat as opposed to hitting down on it, but getting like 1.34 smash factor with 5500 backspin with my 34 degree 7 iron. Goes like 175 yards which i guess i’m not complaining, but i was hoping to be around 7000 rpm backspin.
Tbh angle of attack isn’t too bad probably around 4-7 down ish
Can you list the sequence of backswing?
I have a trouble in lifting right shoulder when setting up strong grip (right shoulder lower than left shoulder)
Our preference… 1. Rib cage rotation, 2. Hand and wrist load, 3. Lead arm lift (shoulder flexion).
Fantastic, just emphasise, that the left shoulder, needs to lower at the start of the downswing.
Also, the right hip needs to be deep and deeper on the takaway 😊
Lots of fun match ups depending on what you’re needing 🙏🙏
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Hi! Quick question. I tend to come too much from the inside at impact when I do this. I hit a nice draw but the path is like 8/9 sometimes 10 degrees inside out. Any tips for this?
Definitely, almost guaranteed pelvic slide. Push that pivot back into your trail hip. That will curve the path further left 🙏
@@elitegolfschools Thank you. Will try that!
I have not been allowed to touch a club (not even putting) for almost 4 months due to back surgery. I'm now clear to do whatever I want. I'd like to use this as an opportunity to improve. I'm thinking of holding off on playing and spend a few weeks on retraining at home and on the range. Any thoughts?
Definitely would suggest that! Just make sure your training is productive and simplified. Getting back into movement shouldn’t be a crazy difficult venture. Btw, so happy that you’re cleared! All the best to you and your health! 🙏
Guys! Genius . My downswing move is compressing my right shoulder towards my ribs and the club falls on to the ball. Am I right ?
Sounds about right!
I know feels are individual, but do you guys feel the right shoulder starting the backswing, or what is the trigger feel for you?
I feel it right in my right armpit 🤷♂️- Riley
@elitegolfschools Thanks, you are so quick at responding, really appreciate it! Merry Christmas from Sweden! 🎅
I’m guessing you guys prefer a shorter backswing for your system?
The proper amount 😉
The asylum next? Standing on a bus stop, moving my shoulders in "infinity", totally captured by your teaching. A straightjacket would be inconvenient now that I have finally understood the importance of focusing on body movement in the golf swing. Your videos seem to be moments of epiphany. Merry christmas to you, and may 2024 be a good year for you and Elite Golf!
Bro, this made our day 🙏 thank you!
A straitjacket would certainly help control your arms 😂
@@Rid3thetig3r hahaha new training aid?? 🤷♂️
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Finally can see why I’ve stood up in my backswing all these years despite everyone telling me not to. Left shoulder kicking out, because right shoulder heading back from the target line…. Light bulb !,
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Isn’t that the truth!? Happy holidays! 🎄🎄
Hi guys see you at February golf school ❤
Let’s go! Can’t wait to rock with you
Gentlemen I think what you are teaching is brilliant. However at some point in every clip when you are illustrating the wrong way to do it gets confusing …it would be helpful to make more clear the don’t s .Again thanks for your work.
Thanks for the feedback!
I’ve been working on this system for a few weeks now my brother in Florida, who I shared it with is having great success and very excited about it. I’m a righty playing lefty. My back arm is kind of dumb so this clip here that shows the external rotation of the rear shoulder made a bunch of it fall in place for me. Thanks for all of this amazing work. Where do I find out about your virtual lessons?
@@BillyFalconMusic so excited for you!! Fantastic news! And if you click the link in our bio, you’ll see a link that says ‘virtual lessons’. Click that and it will take you to the appropriate page on our website 🙏
This is comedy gold. If you cannot impress them with brilliance then you dazzle them with bullshit😂😂
Thanks for your input ❤️
Guys, love your stuff, but in all your videos you refer to being over or under "the plane" and you, at least that I know of, never really identify or explain what "the plane" is. Also, does this "the plane" shift during the swing? Everyone talks about planes in the swing, what is your definition of "the plane"? Thanks, and please keep the lessons coming!
What a GREAT question! The swing plane, if looking down the line will draw a line from the hosel of the club through the trail shoulder. That is what we're referring to as plane.
Thanks! Very interesting, read a ton of books, watch hours of video, never have I heard or read that exact plane line. Ball to base of the neck, straight line up the shaft at address, never through hosel through the trail shoulder. Is this a static line established at address, or does it move with the shoulder (lower at impact, for instance). Which brings me to another question, what is the relationship of the "shaft plane" to the "shoulder plane" through impact? Does the shoulder plane point at the target line, inside the target line or beyond? Or should you try to match the shoulder plane, that is be parallel to one another through the ball? Thanks for all the information!@@elitegolfschools
@@golfweed9947 easy question first, the line remains static. And the shoulder axis (where the chest is pointing) should have some degree of target bias at P7 (impact)
Wish I would have seen this 60 years ago. Sixty years of over the top.
Better late than never!
Tilting is difficult bud neccesery
I agree with the instruction, but I think the title of this video is very misleading. I think what you’re saying is you don’t turn your shoulders on a horizontal plane you turn the shoulders on more of a vertical plane, but you do turn your shoulders, so therefore, the title of this video is very misleading.
What makes up the shoulders?? How would you describe the shoulders?? 🤔
@@elitegolfschools From the shoulder blades in the back to the space between the clavicles and the rotator cuffs in the front
@@jherl8307 cool, point is it’s difficult to describe the ‘shoulder’ since it is made up of 4 bones. We are simply describing that most players inappropriately scap retract to begin the swing leading to spine problems throughout the backswing 🙏🙏
@@elitegolfschools 💯 agree if you listen to details it makes perfect sense!
@@golfingcowboy5409 right on man!
"Hit me a shot" Wow!
Let’s go!