I'm trading my 10th Gen Civic (6MT with K20C2 engine) for a Elantra N. If Si had the same engine, I'd probably get it. I have no respect for the 1.5T engine when compared to the regular K20 engine. Granted, I like Honda's 11th Si over 10th Si, but I still think it's not more capable then my base 2017 Civic Sedan, which weights 2700lb. Since Type-R is basically made for Japan (low availability in North America), I'm switching from Japanese made (my last 8 new cars were Japanese made) and going with the Koreans. Sucks that 11th Si has an engine that only the bean counters would love (or aftermarket that likes to blow-up their engine).
10/10 for me , i bought my 2022 si as a daily , nice and quick and the best part that you guys missed was mpg 😎🙌🔥 definitely super fuel efficient as i daily drive mine everywhere i go, i also have videos on my channel if y’all wanna subscribe and check it out
Honda should have put the same clutch that is in the Type R into the SI. Also needs a little more power from factory otherwise a solid 1.5T car however not at its price point.
I have over 10k on my 2022 Civic Si and really like it. I’ve actually grown to like it more as I’ve used it. It isn’t about the power for me. It’s about having no utilitarian downside as a daily driver but adding fun factor that isn’t there with most cars. Wife sitting next to me surfing her phone, kids in the back, and I get to enjoy rowing through the tight 6 speed, whip around tight roads, and rev the little 1.5L through its range while still getting around 40mpg. I think the argument that it should completely split the difference between a normal Civic and the Type R isn’t solid reasoning because the price difference is only a few thousand above a normal civic while the Type R is a $10k+ premium over an SI. When taking cost into consideration, the SI sits perfectly between the normal Civic and the Type R. I’m happy with the power it makes especially since more power typically means worse mileage. It strikes a nice balance there.
Sucks how easy it becomes to lug/stall the engine with the Turbo interfering with initial take-up. Much more easy to daily a NA version of the Civic manual. That being said, for daily use, wife loves the solid and premium feel of new Elantra N, while she'd constantly bash the seating and lightweight feel of my old 10th Civic.
@@psewgobind I haven’t had any issues stalling the car or lugging it. I couldn’t get past the styling of the Elantra N. Wasn’t my taste but seems like a solid and fun car.
@@timmilligan7110 I’m getting a lot of positive attention from strangers. My be Hyundai’s signature light blue color. Clutch take is getting better after 2nd tank of gas. I suspect dealership filled with regular, but still not as blissful as my old NA Civic.
@@RollTide1111 I feel like it was on the firm side when I first got the car but it seemed to have softened a bit after the first few thousand miles. It feels great now. I’m wondering if a lot of the reviews that talk about the firm ride are driving cars where the suspension hasn’t had time to break in. I didn’t notice it getting my any firmer during very cold weather either.
I recently bought a 2023 Civic Si. I might have a bit of buyer's bias, but I love the car. It hasn't ever really felt slow or boring. I really like the fact that I can drive the car hard and still remain within street legal speeds. It really is just a fun car to have as a daily driver!
@@officialyasir Eh, I’ve had my fair share of nicer/faster cars (Porsche Boxster, 3 series, 135i, Lexus RC, WRX, Z, lots of others and numerous project cars.) The SI for me is good solid fun. Great daily utility, quick street handling, great shifter and pedal set up, great mileage, and relatively cheap. There is something fun about flogging a cheaper car. It’s like this much fun shouldn’t be so cheap. :)
We own our SI since June 2022. Still love it as our daily driver family car. Excellent Mpg, enough room and when daddy is alone in the car it provides enough fun. Sure you can buy faster cars for the money but not better handling cars..
I have a cdn version and can say it is an excellent affordable fun car. Power is fine, handling is very good. The car is a great commuter and great on gas to boot. I got mine with a small discount so pricing for me was great. Not a believer that anyone should pay over MSRP. Walk away and the problem will go away.
I agree with the recommendation for the fix for the Si. But add two more things to the fix list. Fix the REV hang that drive me crazy and make the interior of the rear the same color as the front.
I own a 2008 Civic Si and the rev hang has always been super annoying. I actually heard one car reviewer saying that they liked it, or something to that effect, and I was just like, why?
That's the problem. They "didn't buy the car." Honda loan it to them. Every Honda dealer is asking for $7-10k markup on the Si, $20-30k for the Type R.
I've only had my 23 Si for a week, but so far I love it. It's a great daily. Yeah not the fastest, but it think its plenty fast and fun to drive. I've had fast cars so I know what fast is. This car is just zippy enough to make it fun all while getting 40MPG.
Solid take. Although I would argue that our expectations aren't the problem, especially when you look at all the competitors. The VW gti has 240hp, and sure the Si has always trailed behind the gti, but never by that much. Its disappointing to see the civic si hp number go from 197 (2006) to 200 (2022) in 16 years!
Personally, I would prefer if they used some more lightweight materials/engineering in the Si and the Integra more than a power bump, including the option to nix the sunroof. That being said, I think it’s excellent as is.
as an owner of a 22 SI, i can vouch that the ecu takes a little while to adjust to my driving style. however, rev-hang is barely noticeable at just over 10K miles. i think because you guys had so many people driving it, it likely made this seem worse for you due to the inability of the computer to adjust. just my two cents
The rev hang is very noticeable compared to my last 2 manual transmission cars. It varies depending on rpm, throttle percentage, and how early you lift off the throttle before shifting. The engine tuning is the most annoying part of the car. The rev hang is gone if you lift off the throttle completely for a half second before shifting but makes for a jarring experience.
I want to like this car but it just doesn’t excite me. I had a 2009 Si and the fact that this car isn’t any faster is ridiculous. They should have 240hp in this thing by now. And the problem is the L15 is a weak motor and really can’t be reliably pushed much past stock without making windows in the block either, so simple bolt-ons and a tune isn’t gonna work for the long run either. So it’s basically keep it stock and a little bland but reliable or get a Type R. There really isn’t much other options, and that’s what sucks the most.
The car really needs a tune from the factory. Every decision honda made for tuning this engine is for fuel economy. It's not a very "sport injected" engine. Rev hang, built in turbo lag to save connecting rods, idle start stop. Being a small engine requires boost in every gear to keep up with the flow of other cars. It's a frustrating car to daily in traffic. I ended up trading mine after a year of ownership and besides the handling I don't miss it.
I say 50 to 65 more hp and keep the new stuff they added and bring back all the stuff the 10gen had. It would be a perfect daily driver for people who like to toss their car around every now and then
@@cliffordhaines6495 good price just under 31K & luckily I didn’t have to import it cause I came across a used one here in the states with 4,000 miles on it & jumped on it.
They’re right: it’s all about expectations. I own a ‘23. Si owners (as well as other drivers) expect this car to be driven hard and fast. I bought it mainly for the six-speed but I’ve noticed that in order to keep up with traffic the car HAS to be driven hard; something I wasn’t expecting. If it had just a little more power it could be driven normally and the entire experience would be more enjoyable. I still love the car a lot, but I’m altering my driving habits to use it primarily on the freeway along with winding roads out of town.
Agreed. Between being in boost every gear to keep with traffic and the rev hang its a frustrating experience to what potential it has. I wish they did what subaru did with the wrx. More power from the engine and less from the turbo. Would help with rev hang and drivability immensely. It's also frustrating when a sport sedan is getting pulled on by a cuv or minivan on a freeway on ramp and you're banging through gears. 😂
I really like the looks of the 11gen but they dropped the ball on everything else in this car. They took too much away from the 10gen especially in the USA. The Canadian model is more appealing. You guys hit the nail on the head about this is too close to a normal civic vs being the middle ground to the type R.
According to the info in this video the best version is the so often bad mouthed 9th gen with the NA 2.4L K-series. (especially at sea level locations). The fastest with none of the dreaded turbo lag.
AMEN. I SORELY MISS AND YEARN FOR HONDAS AMAZING NATURALLY ASPIRATED HIGH AND FREE REVVING ENGINES ONCE AGAIN. IVE HAD BOOSTED B SERIES AND A BOOSTED K AND YES THESE WERE A BLAST BUT THE REASON THEY WERE SO GREAT WHEN TURBO'D WAS BC THE ENGINES WERE SUCH A GOOD FOUNDATION TO BEGIN WITH. THEY WERE BUILT TO BREATH SUPER EFFICIENTLY N/A SO THEY RESPONDED AMAZING TO BOOST. POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE IS WE ALL MISS THE CRAZY FUN N/A B SERIES, H SERIES, K SERIES ENGINES AND THEY NEED TO AT LEAST PRODUCE AN OPTION TO CHOOSE THAT OVER THEY DINKY LITTLE 1.5T ENGINES THAT ARE SO STRESSED THAT THERE BLOWING HEAD GASKETS LEFT AMD RIGHT. MY BUDDIES A HONDA TECH AND HES SEEN AT LEAST 2 A MONTH HE SAID AND HAS DONE OVER 30 HEAD GASKETS ON THE 1.5T. IF U HAVE A 1.5T TAKE CARE OF YOUR MAINTENANCE LIKE OIL/FILTER AND COOLANT FLUSHES AS PER HONDA. ALSO ID SUGGEST GETTING A AIR/OIL SEPERATOR OR CATCH CAN FOR ANY TURBO ENGINE FOR LONG RELIABILITY.
Unless you're going for type R, the money is better spent on Elantra N at this point... I miss the high revving 8th Gen Si that I had. I was hoping that the new Si was better, and it is a better car. But is it a better Si? It really doesn't feel like it regardless of the lap times.
@@stories1984 not really, but from an enthusiast's point of view, that inconsequentiality can blur out a bit more. For a daily, yeah. I agree with you. But then if you're gonna pinch that much money, why look at Si in the first place instead of Civic sport?
I refuse to drive a Hyundai…. I don’t like the brand number one and they are unreliable and it’s a Hyundai. I don’t care if it’s faster. Did I mention it’s a Hyundai?
I just got the FA5! The new Si looks like the accord in my opinion. To fix the rev hang, go k-tuned! 200 hp is just right. I think it gives the driver opportunity to increase hp themselves. What’s the phrase 🤔 built, not bought.
Seems to me the civic si has went backwards in terms of features... at least in the US.. I have a 2020 SI n my dealership has been sweating me to buy it well over what I owe on it, but honestly the idea of upgrading to a 23 doesn't seem appealing at all. On my 2020 I have Adaptive Suspension, Fog Lights, dual sided climate control, seat heaters, all features that's been stripped from the 23 civic Si... n not that it really matters but u lose like 5 horse power too lol... come on Honda... get it together. The only thing I like about the 23 is the back end with the dual exhaust instead of the 10th gen hdmi exhaust.
I wouldn't mind swapping out the turbo for a supercharger on this type of Civic, a roots, or twin screw type. Not everyone like superchargers, but I would think it would sound nice on this Si.
From an engineering perspective that makes no sense. Honda engineers don't make design decisions just to make things sound cooler, also it has a tiny motor. Which is a no for a supercharger.
Not mentioned is that if you put the same summer tires on the Civic Sport you get almost identical handling figures. Civic SI is very underwhelming. Imagine being dull enough to get a manual Integra for $10k more. A car only for Honda fanboys. I’ll take the Civic Sport hatch with a manual
I USED TO HAVE A DC2 INTEGRA GSR COUPE. ALSO HAD A RSX TYPE S. ALSO AN MDX AND LASTLY A TL. REALLY, REALLY MISS THOSE GLORY DAYS OF HONDA N/A MOTORS. SMALLER BOOSTED ENGINES WITH INCREASED CYLINDER PRESSURES HAVE MORE PROBLEMS. MY BUDDIES A HONDA TECH AND HES BEEN SEEING A TON OF BLOWN HEAD GASKETS ON THESE 1.5 TURBOS IN ALL CHASSIS. PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT YOU CANNOT TREAT THESE NEW SMALL DISPLACEMENT TURBO ENGINES THE SAME WAY YOU DID HONDAS B SERIES, H SERIES, AND K SERIES. THANKS TO THE EPA AND EMISSIONS POLITICS, MANUFACTURERS ARE LOOKING FOR BETTER THERMAL EFFICIENCY AND LOWER EMISSIONS SO THE BOOSTED 1.5 IS UNDER MORE STRESS THAN AN EQUIVALENT K20/K24 AT THE EXACT SAME HP LEVELS. HIGHER CYLINDER PRESSURE, TURBO/INTERCOOLER COMPLEXITIES AND THE HEAT PLAY A ROLE IN LESS RELIABILITY..TURBOS ARE AWESOME HONDA BUT PLEASE HAVE AN OPTION FOR A HIGH REVVING N/A 1.8L-2.4 AGAIN PRETTY PLEASE !!!!! OH YEAH AND FIX THE HEAD GASKET PROBLEM. LOVE YOU HONDA BUT THE NEW INTEGRA SUX. NEED A INTEGRA COUPE AND U CAN BASE IT ON THE CIVIC COUPE..WE NEED THIS.
I own a 19 Type R and lemme tell ya, this new generation of Civic/Accord is pretty bland and boring. The fact they are still peddling 200hp is a joke in this age. My 2001 Honda Prelude makes 200hp! In this time and age I'd like to see around 230hp and make it a bit more sporty at least. Then again the new Type R is awful looking as I saw one in person last week and it just looks like someone screwed a wing on the back and called it a Type R. Honda sure has fallen from it's 90's golden age. I just think they have lost the touch.
All Japanese cars (especially, Hondas and Toyotas) must be tested by 200 pound 6-footers...to find out how (un) comfortable it is for North American bodies..
Thanks Brian for another unbiased and honest car review. Always knew this gen Civic Si was lame, and anyone buying it over the really capable Civic Sport HB manual is an idiot.
I'm sorry, 9 months and 10,000 miles isn't long term to me. This might be a good review for people who lease their vehicles and swap them every 2 years. I tend to keep mine for 10+ years. So this review is useless for me.
@R Mc obviously can't do a 10-year smart ass, but 10,000 miles is nothing, most people do that in 6-7 months. 2 or 3 year would be better for a title called "long term" you can do 10,000 miles but don't call it "long term."
We wish our Civic Si was just a little faster. What's on your wish list for your car? Let us know in the comments!
You can always get it tuned
I'm trading my 10th Gen Civic (6MT with K20C2 engine) for a Elantra N. If Si had the same engine, I'd probably get it. I have no respect for the 1.5T engine when compared to the regular K20 engine. Granted, I like Honda's 11th Si over 10th Si, but I still think it's not more capable then my base 2017 Civic Sedan, which weights 2700lb. Since Type-R is basically made for Japan (low availability in North America), I'm switching from Japanese made (my last 8 new cars were Japanese made) and going with the Koreans. Sucks that 11th Si has an engine that only the bean counters would love (or aftermarket that likes to blow-up their engine).
10/10 for me , i bought my 2022 si as a daily , nice and quick and the best part that you guys missed was mpg 😎🙌🔥 definitely super fuel efficient as i daily drive mine everywhere i go, i also have videos on my channel if y’all wanna subscribe and check it out
Honda should have put the same clutch that is in the Type R into the SI. Also needs a little more power from factory otherwise a solid 1.5T car however not at its price point.
I have over 10k on my 2022 Civic Si and really like it. I’ve actually grown to like it more as I’ve used it. It isn’t about the power for me. It’s about having no utilitarian downside as a daily driver but adding fun factor that isn’t there with most cars. Wife sitting next to me surfing her phone, kids in the back, and I get to enjoy rowing through the tight 6 speed, whip around tight roads, and rev the little 1.5L through its range while still getting around 40mpg. I think the argument that it should completely split the difference between a normal Civic and the Type R isn’t solid reasoning because the price difference is only a few thousand above a normal civic while the Type R is a $10k+ premium over an SI. When taking cost into consideration, the SI sits perfectly between the normal Civic and the Type R. I’m happy with the power it makes especially since more power typically means worse mileage. It strikes a nice balance there.
Sucks how easy it becomes to lug/stall the engine with the Turbo interfering with initial take-up. Much more easy to daily a NA version of the Civic manual. That being said, for daily use, wife loves the solid and premium feel of new Elantra N, while she'd constantly bash the seating and lightweight feel of my old 10th Civic.
@@psewgobind I haven’t had any issues stalling the car or lugging it. I couldn’t get past the styling of the Elantra N. Wasn’t my taste but seems like a solid and fun car.
@@timmilligan7110 I’m getting a lot of positive attention from strangers. My be Hyundai’s signature light blue color. Clutch take is getting better after 2nd tank of gas. I suspect dealership filled with regular, but still not as blissful as my old NA Civic.
How is the seat comfort? Is the ride too firm?
@@RollTide1111 I feel like it was on the firm side when I first got the car but it seemed to have softened a bit after the first few thousand miles. It feels great now. I’m wondering if a lot of the reviews that talk about the firm ride are driving cars where the suspension hasn’t had time to break in. I didn’t notice it getting my any firmer during very cold weather either.
I recently bought a 2023 Civic Si. I might have a bit of buyer's bias, but I love the car. It hasn't ever really felt slow or boring. I really like the fact that I can drive the car hard and still remain within street legal speeds. It really is just a fun car to have as a daily driver!
My lightweight 10th Sedan (2700lb) is more then capable on the street (any more and I'd lose my license just as quickly as the supercars).
It all depends on the previous cars you have owned.
Yep it’s all relative. One can always argue a slow manual car is more fun than a fast automatic car as well
@@officialyasir Eh, I’ve had my fair share of nicer/faster cars (Porsche Boxster, 3 series, 135i, Lexus RC, WRX, Z, lots of others and numerous project cars.) The SI for me is good solid fun. Great daily utility, quick street handling, great shifter and pedal set up, great mileage, and relatively cheap. There is something fun about flogging a cheaper car. It’s like this much fun shouldn’t be so cheap. :)
I have the same, it's the most enjoyable car I've ever had
We own our SI since June 2022. Still love it as our daily driver family car. Excellent Mpg, enough room and when daddy is alone in the car it provides enough fun. Sure you can buy faster cars for the money but not better handling cars..
The fact that this car is de-contented compared with the Canadian model took it off my buy list.
I have a cdn version and can say it is an excellent affordable fun car. Power is fine, handling is very good. The car is a great commuter and great on gas to boot. I got mine with a small discount so pricing for me was great. Not a believer that anyone should pay over MSRP. Walk away and the problem will go away.
The hp is actually 220 as shown by hondata on their dyno run!!!!!
Wonder what the dyno reads for the 10th generation SI since it is considerably quicker than the 11th generation.
I agree with the recommendation for the fix for the Si. But add two more things to the fix list. Fix the REV hang that drive me crazy and make the interior of the rear the same color as the front.
I own a 2008 Civic Si and the rev hang has always been super annoying. I actually heard one car reviewer saying that they liked it, or something to that effect, and I was just like, why?
He mentioned the rev hang in the video
That's the problem. They "didn't buy the car." Honda loan it to them. Every Honda dealer is asking for $7-10k markup on the Si, $20-30k for the Type R.
Not anymore, I searched today and can find Si’s for MSRP
@@kimi17147you can find Si’s LISTED for MSRP. Try reserving one and they’ll hit you with the markup. I promise.
I doubt that..
How would HONDA FINANCE
finance such a lopsided equity...
Those have been almost eliminated now, I guess people finally decided to use their brains and stop buying rip offs
I've only had my 23 Si for a week, but so far I love it. It's a great daily. Yeah not the fastest, but it think its plenty fast and fun to drive. I've had fast cars so I know what fast is. This car is just zippy enough to make it fun all while getting 40MPG.
Solid take. Although I would argue that our expectations aren't the problem, especially when you look at all the competitors. The VW gti has 240hp, and sure the Si has always trailed behind the gti, but never by that much. Its disappointing to see the civic si hp number go from 197 (2006) to 200 (2022) in 16 years!
Personally, I would prefer if they used some more lightweight materials/engineering in the Si and the Integra more than a power bump, including the option to nix the sunroof. That being said, I think it’s excellent as is.
Agree 100%
It’s already under 3000 pounds that’s really rare nowadays for a 4 door
and then you crumple in an accident?.. it's already one of the lightest in its class
as an owner of a 22 SI, i can vouch that the ecu takes a little while to adjust to my driving style. however, rev-hang is barely noticeable at just over 10K miles. i think because you guys had so many people driving it, it likely made this seem worse for you due to the inability of the computer to adjust. just my two cents
The rev hang is very noticeable compared to my last 2 manual transmission cars. It varies depending on rpm, throttle percentage, and how early you lift off the throttle before shifting. The engine tuning is the most annoying part of the car. The rev hang is gone if you lift off the throttle completely for a half second before shifting but makes for a jarring experience.
I want to like this car but it just doesn’t excite me. I had a 2009 Si and the fact that this car isn’t any faster is ridiculous. They should have 240hp in this thing by now. And the problem is the L15 is a weak motor and really can’t be reliably pushed much past stock without making windows in the block either, so simple bolt-ons and a tune isn’t gonna work for the long run either. So it’s basically keep it stock and a little bland but reliable or get a Type R. There really isn’t much other options, and that’s what sucks the most.
The car really needs a tune from the factory. Every decision honda made for tuning this engine is for fuel economy. It's not a very "sport injected" engine. Rev hang, built in turbo lag to save connecting rods, idle start stop. Being a small engine requires boost in every gear to keep up with the flow of other cars. It's a frustrating car to daily in traffic. I ended up trading mine after a year of ownership and besides the handling I don't miss it.
$120 for an oil change for a tiny 1.5L?? My 5.0 cost me $56 for an oil change at Ford dealer. With 8.9qt of oil.
Change the oil yourself. It's so easy and cheap.
Just change it your self🤣, im editing an oil change video right now , subscribe if you want an in depth vid on a 2022 civic si oil change video
I love the SI, but 35 more horsepower and heated seats would be much more compelling.
I say 50 to 65 more hp and keep the new stuff they added and bring back all the stuff the 10gen had. It would be a perfect daily driver for people who like to toss their car around every now and then
Got my Canadian spec Si here in NY with heated seats & a heated steering wheel
@@IsaiahEBelk was it hard to import that car?
@@IsaiahEBelk good price?
@@cliffordhaines6495 good price just under 31K & luckily I didn’t have to import it cause I came across a used one here in the states with 4,000 miles on it & jumped on it.
They’re right: it’s all about expectations. I own a ‘23. Si owners (as well as other drivers) expect this car to be driven hard and fast. I bought it mainly for the six-speed but I’ve noticed that in order to keep up with traffic the car HAS to be driven hard; something I wasn’t expecting. If it had just a little more power it could be driven normally and the entire experience would be more enjoyable. I still love the car a lot, but I’m altering my driving habits to use it primarily on the freeway along with winding roads out of town.
Agreed. Between being in boost every gear to keep with traffic and the rev hang its a frustrating experience to what potential it has. I wish they did what subaru did with the wrx. More power from the engine and less from the turbo. Would help with rev hang and drivability immensely. It's also frustrating when a sport sedan is getting pulled on by a cuv or minivan on a freeway on ramp and you're banging through gears. 😂
I really like the looks of the 11gen but they dropped the ball on everything else in this car. They took too much away from the 10gen especially in the USA. The Canadian model is more appealing. You guys hit the nail on the head about this is too close to a normal civic vs being the middle ground to the type R.
Even the basic K20 engine that's in the normal Civic would give it a better score, but the real cherry would the the Turbo K20.
According to the info in this video the best version is the so often bad mouthed 9th gen with the NA 2.4L K-series. (especially at sea level locations). The fastest with none of the dreaded turbo lag.
AMEN. I SORELY MISS AND YEARN FOR HONDAS AMAZING NATURALLY ASPIRATED HIGH AND FREE REVVING ENGINES ONCE AGAIN. IVE HAD BOOSTED B SERIES AND A BOOSTED K AND YES THESE WERE A BLAST BUT THE REASON THEY WERE SO GREAT WHEN TURBO'D WAS BC THE ENGINES WERE SUCH A GOOD FOUNDATION TO BEGIN WITH. THEY WERE BUILT TO BREATH SUPER EFFICIENTLY N/A SO THEY RESPONDED AMAZING TO BOOST. POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE IS WE ALL MISS THE CRAZY FUN N/A B SERIES, H SERIES, K SERIES ENGINES AND THEY NEED TO AT LEAST PRODUCE AN OPTION TO CHOOSE THAT OVER THEY DINKY LITTLE 1.5T ENGINES THAT ARE SO STRESSED THAT THERE BLOWING HEAD GASKETS LEFT AMD RIGHT. MY BUDDIES A HONDA TECH AND HES SEEN AT LEAST 2 A MONTH HE SAID AND HAS DONE OVER 30 HEAD GASKETS ON THE 1.5T. IF U HAVE A 1.5T TAKE CARE OF YOUR MAINTENANCE LIKE OIL/FILTER AND COOLANT FLUSHES AS PER HONDA. ALSO ID SUGGEST GETTING A AIR/OIL SEPERATOR OR CATCH CAN FOR ANY TURBO ENGINE FOR LONG RELIABILITY.
Love that color! Still not sure of the Accord/Audi hybrid look of the new Civic. I was just getting accustomed to the last generation's look.
Unless you're going for type R, the money is better spent on Elantra N at this point... I miss the high revving 8th Gen Si that I had. I was hoping that the new Si was better, and it is a better car. But is it a better Si? It really doesn't feel like it regardless of the lap times.
Money is never well spent on a Hyundai.
The EN is like $5k more. Not inconsequential at this price range.
@@stories1984 not really, but from an enthusiast's point of view, that inconsequentiality can blur out a bit more. For a daily, yeah. I agree with you. But then if you're gonna pinch that much money, why look at Si in the first place instead of Civic sport?
I refuse to drive a Hyundai…. I don’t like the brand number one and they are unreliable and it’s a Hyundai. I don’t care if it’s faster. Did I mention it’s a Hyundai?
I just got the FA5! The new Si looks like the accord in my opinion. To fix the rev hang, go k-tuned! 200 hp is just right. I think it gives the driver opportunity to increase hp themselves. What’s the phrase 🤔 built, not bought.
Most won't tune until warranty is up. You can argue about tuning making any car better.
@@SpecialK69420 depends on the person who goes to the track, and who just tunes it for more HP
I find it odd that many journalists complain about the stiff ride quality on a performance variant of a vehicle.
Id rather buy a used ~2009 civic SI and spend $10,000 in top to bottom maintenance then buy one of these for $30,000 any day.
A louder exhaust could make the car more exciting
Seems to me the civic si has went backwards in terms of features... at least in the US.. I have a 2020 SI n my dealership has been sweating me to buy it well over what I owe on it, but honestly the idea of upgrading to a 23 doesn't seem appealing at all. On my 2020 I have Adaptive Suspension, Fog Lights, dual sided climate control, seat heaters, all features that's been stripped from the 23 civic Si... n not that it really matters but u lose like 5 horse power too lol... come on Honda... get it together. The only thing I like about the 23 is the back end with the dual exhaust instead of the 10th gen hdmi exhaust.
its also close to a lot of those civics in the price metrics too. You guys seem to forget this..
I wouldn't mind swapping out the turbo for a supercharger on this type of Civic, a roots, or twin screw type. Not everyone like superchargers, but I would think it would sound nice on this Si.
The engine is too small for a supercharger to be viable considering the weight of the car.
@@brogu6071 would be interesting. I love the whine of a supercharger more than a turbo. That’s just me though lol
From an engineering perspective that makes no sense. Honda engineers don't make design decisions just to make things sound cooler, also it has a tiny motor. Which is a no for a supercharger.
@@alexv5581 good to know then. Thanks.
I really like my 10th gen Civic but if I wanted a “sporty” car, I’d go for an Elantra N.
except they ugly as hell
The engine rev hang when shifting is, IMHO, the biggest negative. It offers more performance than most drivers can fully use.
very fair review. much appreciated.
Not mentioned is that if you put the same summer tires on the Civic Sport you get almost identical handling figures. Civic SI is very underwhelming. Imagine being dull enough to get a manual Integra for $10k more. A car only for Honda fanboys. I’ll take the Civic Sport hatch with a manual
I want to learn, can someone summarize what “mark up” is?
I USED TO HAVE A DC2 INTEGRA GSR COUPE. ALSO HAD A RSX TYPE S. ALSO AN MDX AND LASTLY A TL. REALLY, REALLY MISS THOSE GLORY DAYS OF HONDA N/A MOTORS. SMALLER BOOSTED ENGINES WITH INCREASED CYLINDER PRESSURES HAVE MORE PROBLEMS. MY BUDDIES A HONDA TECH AND HES BEEN SEEING A TON OF BLOWN HEAD GASKETS ON THESE 1.5 TURBOS IN ALL CHASSIS. PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT YOU CANNOT TREAT THESE NEW SMALL DISPLACEMENT TURBO ENGINES THE SAME WAY YOU DID HONDAS B SERIES, H SERIES, AND K SERIES. THANKS TO THE EPA AND EMISSIONS POLITICS, MANUFACTURERS ARE LOOKING FOR BETTER THERMAL EFFICIENCY AND LOWER EMISSIONS SO THE BOOSTED 1.5 IS UNDER MORE STRESS THAN AN EQUIVALENT K20/K24 AT THE EXACT SAME HP LEVELS. HIGHER CYLINDER PRESSURE, TURBO/INTERCOOLER COMPLEXITIES AND THE HEAT PLAY A ROLE IN LESS RELIABILITY..TURBOS ARE AWESOME HONDA BUT PLEASE HAVE AN OPTION FOR A HIGH REVVING N/A 1.8L-2.4 AGAIN PRETTY PLEASE !!!!! OH YEAH AND FIX THE HEAD GASKET PROBLEM. LOVE YOU HONDA BUT THE NEW INTEGRA SUX. NEED A INTEGRA COUPE AND U CAN BASE IT ON THE CIVIC COUPE..WE NEED THIS.
Nice car worth the money
Doesn't need more power. Y'all just need to drive more safely. Plenty of power.
I own a 19 Type R and lemme tell ya, this new generation of Civic/Accord is pretty bland and boring. The fact they are still peddling 200hp is a joke in this age. My 2001 Honda Prelude makes 200hp! In this time and age I'd like to see around 230hp and make it a bit more sporty at least. Then again the new Type R is awful looking as I saw one in person last week and it just looks like someone screwed a wing on the back and called it a Type R. Honda sure has fallen from it's 90's golden age. I just think they have lost the touch.
Civic hatchback is faster than SI?
Yes. If you’re talking about last generation hatchback. They all got a bit slower in 11th gen.
Needs 250hp
Also 265 tq
Type R
330hp
330 tq
Acura integra type s
350hp
350tq
Give it the 2.0T they took away from the Accord. The 1.5T is gutless.
At the price point of around 28k it is a bargain. Want more power and excitement get the typer. Pointless and silly review
Not bad
Rev match sucks. I buy stick I do it. If you like it you should drive an auto. If you like you, you don’t like stick.
All Japanese cars (especially, Hondas and Toyotas) must be tested by 200 pound 6-footers...to find out how (un) comfortable it is for North American bodies..
Don’t like the opening comments😢
It needs a detuned 2.0T with 225hp. The Si is a joke at 30k
Thanks Brian for another unbiased and honest car review.
Always knew this gen Civic Si was lame, and anyone buying it over the really capable Civic Sport HB manual is an idiot.
30 k for 200hp
I'm sorry, 9 months and 10,000 miles isn't long term to me. This might be a good review for people who lease their vehicles and swap them every 2 years. I tend to keep mine for 10+ years. So this review is useless for me.
They're very sorry for the delay. The 10 year review will be completed ASAP for your viewing pleasure with a current release estimate of May, 2032.
@R Mc obviously can't do a 10-year smart ass, but 10,000 miles is nothing, most people do that in 6-7 months. 2 or 3 year would be better for a title called "long term" you can do 10,000 miles but don't call it "long term."
10000mile is nothing.
Just buy hatchback touring😂
0-60 in 7.2 sec is totally unacceptable. That's very very slow .
A 1.5 litre engine doesn’t excite so for me, no thanks👎
Turbo charged