Podcast: How Effective Is Chemotherapy?
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I am a cancer survivor who against doctor advice rejected conventional treatment. Going 100% plant based and water fasting put my cancer in complete remission. I'd probably be dead today if I had followed doctor advice.
Well I’m mostly plant based for 11 years. If there’s a fault on my part was eating vegan junk food, and drink my share of wine. The jury is out on water fasting as cure/ treatment as anecdotal, which means it should absolutely be considered. Once my chemo is up in March, I might think about going to True North fasting center and give it a shot. Currently 100% plant based without the bad vegan stuff, and water fast 3 days around my treatments of every other week. For what it’s worth, the evidence is substantial that fasting around treatment reduces side effects. 4 rounds of 12 completed and zero side effects.
Also, I’m curious, are you making a recommendation not to have chemo for cancer patients. I’m super happy for your success. What type of cancer did you have and what were the recommendations? Just curious. All the best!!
What do you mean by water fasting? You only drank water nothing more? My aunt has cancer. First at the anus, then lungs now head. Right now she gets chemo. But i couldnt recommend her to eat nothing...but shes very cautious...she dosen´t eat sugar, barely carbs. Her nutritionist is very good.
@@madlenj.4644' barely carbs '
Does that imply she's mostly eating animal product..
Well that explains a lot ...like why her cancer is spreading ..
@@scienceislove2014 absolutely not.
with barely carbs i meant she might tried a little edge from a piece of cake. But to be hounest i only see her beeing very strict, no sugar, of course, no alcohol, as far as i know only keto bread -> almond if even, not even tee with sugar nooo noo, only pure tea! I think shes doing great!!!
She also always declining food because of sugar! She really is very strict. I do admire that!!!
This is truly brilliant. Than you very much. Here in Germany the situation is similar, although the treatment is covered by healthcare insurance. I admire Dr. Greger for not calling it a scam or some sort of crime against the patients. An oncology nurse told me that she witnessed a trial where the patients without treatment had the longest survival rate. First step seems to be to realize your mortality and go from there.
I appreciate your informative and accurate presentations. You are helping me to self-advocate for my care. When I have a new treatment protocol these days, I ask them to " put it to the test". Because of you, I am healthier overall, moving to largely plant- based and losing weight. Thank you thank you thank you! God bless 🙏 you too!
I get what Dr Greger saying. But as a person with primary gastric cancer with mets to the liver, I love my chemo. I’m at the end of my 4th treatment with a PET scan to follow. I’m facing 12 treatments taking me into March . I feel if chemo knocks the cancer back and follow the advice of other Dr Gregers videos on slowing cancer, it’s well worth the shot. My treatments are every other week, and so far have suffered zero side effects though that could change. One thing I’ve followed is fasting around the treatments to reduce side effects. So far so good. I am a retired RN and worked oncology in a hospital setting back in the early 90’s
. Believe me I’ve seen the ugly side of cancer and chemo. I know the risks, but the reality for me is I have to throw everything at it. I don’t overestimate chemo, I was told up front that chemo is just palliative, not curative. But chemo is just part of a treatment plan.
Two of my closest friends got Cancer. One of them went the Chemotherapy route. I watched her suffer horrific pain. After her doctors put her through that horror, they told her to get her affairs in order and she died. My other friend was totally against chemotherapy and opted out. He lived A very healthy and active lifestyle for three years after he was diagnosed. He never complained about pain and died peacefully right next to me.
It’s a tough decision, but personally I would opt out of chemotherapy.
My husband at 59 choose no chemo and lived 4 months. With chemo they told him maybe 12 to 15 months. He made the right choice and if i get cancer i will opt out too. Oh and when he opted out the doctors said good luck and basicly do not let the door hit you in your a**. It has been 5 years now and i look at the medicial industry much differently. He was so brave in the face of death but the belief in The Father, Son and Holy Ghost . A relationship with Jesus does that for you giving you faith in everlasting life over any fear. I was able to put my autoimmune problem with graves in remission eating well so it does have real benifits. God Bless all with His grace, joy, peace and love.
Did your husband change his diet?
Thank you for sharing. Hallelujah that your husband knew the Lord. I'm so sorry for your tremendous loss but we can rejoice we will see our loved ones again. I had cancer and if it comes back I will make the same choice as your husband.
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This is my experience with chemo....my 53 year old sister-in-law was diagnosed with stage 3 colorectal cancer....went through the chemo treatments.......it shrunk her tumor......they removed said tumor......I believe she then went through radiation treatment and has been cancer free for close to 2 years now......she did suffer some side-effects from the chemo.....I think she lost some hearing and has some neuropathy in her feet....otherwise, has regained her health for the most part and is and has been a vegan for 30 plus years........so, I really think it depends on what form of cancer you have and how the chemo they use is suppose to attack the cancer.......I also had a friend whose 25 year old son had non-hodgkins lymphoma and went through chemo treatments and it cured him.....he's been cancer free for around 5 years now.......with no side effects I believe......I do think one should think about how well chemo works on the particular cancer one has....if the track record isn't very good, then maybe its better to try an alternative......
similar story here I had colorectal cancer did chemotherapy and am well and thriving 10 years later. Became WFPB to rebuild my gut biome. Can't wrap my head around what would have happened with no treatments.
@@redtailten Glad to hear you are well and thriving.....and became a WFPB dieter........I can't imagine the emotional trauma that goes with all of this......my sister-in-law is still living in her fear of it returning as she is tested every three months I believe......we try to comfort her in the fact she is a WFPB dieter and that she lives about as clean a life as one can.......at this point, if God wants her, well, what can you do, but live each day as a gift as it should be lived even if you aren't a cancer survivor.....
Wow okay, maybe it does actually work or help every once in a while. Every family member and family friend I've known that went the conventional route weren't even alive a few years later.
@@TSMPimpDaddyPain Would be curious as to the type of cancer they had.....and the stage as well.....
@@trevorregay9283 Hmm....a few were breast cancer, one lung, one throat, one brain, one ovarian, can't remember the stages of them all
THIS is why I subscribe to the good doctor.
I was diagnosed with stage 4 Non Hodgkins Lymphoma seven years ago, which I treated with chemotherapy. A year later I had an autologous stem cell transplant and was blasted with another heavy round of chemo. I had minor side effects and did not have much time off work. During my 10 days in hospital I walked into a nearby shopping centre a few times. Apparently I didn't look very well and I lost a lot of weight, but I survived and have been at work ever since. I put my recovery down to fitness and my Christian faith.
I live in a country where hospital treatment is free, so it didn't cost me anything.
Obviously I believe in your nutritional information, but chemo has not had a detrimental effect on me at this point in time.
I know that not everyone survives who refuses chemotherapy and goes the natural route.
This man is the best and most significant doctor of our times.
I’m a retired RN who worked as oncology nurse many years ago. My best friend at the time had recently had a bone marrow transplant and almost died multiple times. The oncologist I was working with was also my friends doctor. So I asked what the prognosis was for my friend. He looked at me and said “What does that matter?”. He said if there was a 5% survival rate and my friend was one of those, what would the other 95% mean to my friend…..nothing. My friend had his bone marrow transplant in the early days of such treatment. I’ll be honest, he has had periodic issues and really has to watch his health. He’s in his sixties now, but got to see his two kids grow, become adults, and got a grand child out of deal. With his issues, I’ve never once heard him say he regretted the choice. To me I’d consider him one of the 5%.
Knowledge is power! Go Michael!
I appreciate you more than words can express. You validate my observation, and support my "echo chamber" which I'm more than pretentious to keep. Our health is key...and these manipulators are abhorrent. Our health should never be class driven.
God bless you Dr. Greger. Thank you for helping me to change my life forever.
Thanks
Thank you for this evidence based video.
Thank you for this information. You are always informative and I appreciate you. This topic has been on my mind recently. My question is have there been any studies on the effects of long term water fasting for slowing or reversing the progress of cancer? As a replacement for Chemotherapy.
Dr. Greger, this is becoming a very relevant topic at this time, as I'm sure you're aware of. I feel a sense of urgency in this question:
What cancer treatments are actually effective when it comes to beneficial outcomes in mortality, as opposed to the apparently irrelevant markers like tumour-shrinkage?
Thank you.
I have always wondered about the efficacy of anticancer drugs. Enjoyed the Breaking Bad reference. Thank you for the information as always. 😊
Knowledge, is knowing.
Wisdom, is doing.
I have a mountain of respect for this gent. Would like to take him out for a green smoothie.
Tell it like it really is, Michael!
I had a complete pathological response to chemotherapy. So yes, it worked. But it also caused complications that nearly killed me.
we gotta look at these contracts
Dear Dr. Greger,
I like your evidence based approach to teaching nutrition, and I have binge watched your videos on STF, plant based diet, and with great interest - ketogenic diet and cancer.
I am starting chemo soon and preparing the best I can. I was planning to do 5 day fasts during infusion, and re-feeding in between with the same ketogenic diet I had been on for the last 3-4 months. I'm not a big fan of eating lots of meat and animal fats, and I have tended to eat more eggs and dairy and healthy oils. My eyes have been opened, and I'm now reassessing all of this. I will start to switch to a plant based diet. There is no way around reading the studies to gain a true understanding.
I must thank you and youtube and my lucky stars for dropping your channel into my feed.
I also have noticed the clinical trial of COC protocol was ended early for some reason, and that all those compelling interviews with the esteemed Dr. Seyfried are at least 5-10 years old. Shouldn't they have completed studies to provide real evidence of the metabolic cancer therapies they are promoting by now?
This is all very difficult for me to grok right now, as I want to believe that cancer cells can't use ketones, and that is the reason fasting helps fight cancer - but that is not exactly true, there is something else at play.
How does fermentation affect soy milk?
do video on radiation therapy
can you do a video on laetrile as a cure for cancer that was suppressed and even made illegal by the chemo industry? thanks
I wonder what other countries do
My grandma found out she has a pancreatic cancer, 2 stage. After a year and 4 months of chemo she died, it went to 4 stage, and all the time she was feeling excruciating pain, she had to take narcotic pain killers. Not worth it, I think without it she could have felt much better and lived longer.
I had comprehensive staging surgery in Sept for ovarian cancer, it was stage1A with clean cytology and no spread. With this excellent prognosis, and no statistical difference in outcome for my case, I opted for observation as recommended by NCCN.
Five months later, I have multiple tumor recurrence in my abdomen, the largest ones covering my liver, bowel, and bladder. My only option now is chemotherapy with the hope to shrink the tumors enough to make them operable ( not good odds). I'm going to fast during chemo.
In retrospect, i do not believe front line chemo would have prevented this recurrence. I have learned though that because i have not had chemo treatment, it makes me not eligible for ANY of the targeted treatment clinical trials. Keep this in mind for your future treatment options, folks.
P.S. why is it that there are no front-line treatments or clinical studies available to so many cancer patients, without the patient first submitting to and FAILING chemotherapy? I am aware that my cancer is not curable by chemo, a 'response' can mean 20% shrink, and after that, inevitable platinum resistance.
Something is seriously wrong with our medical system.
my mother recently got diagnosed with SPV cancer of the neck area, theyre going for a cure with radiation n chemo, they say it has high survival rate relative to other cancers but she's a smoker n has a terrible diet. even after i explain the evidence she refuses to change her diet or even stop smoking. some people dont think it's worth living if they cant eat a lot of meat n dairy apparently
You poor thing. I can well believe this. 😢
I wonder how drugs/chemo or other treatments are approved in the EU
I think some of Europe has those treatments available but they don't have a ruthless medical monopoly like the US does
If only that were not true. If only... but lifestyle change works!!!
my friend died of uterine cancer and called her chemotherapy treatments "barbaric". The chemo extended her life, but she spent most of it either sick as a dog, or quite sick. She eventually died of her cancer.
Her chemo destroyed her immune system. That’s the one most important thing that keeps us alive daily.
sadly and even with the threat of certain death very very few patients will way the risks and benefits or make a decision about their own health treatments. just from reading the comments it's easy to see that most listeners cant hear or comprehend your message about healthy eating and lifestyle(dr. gregor did a talk on this very problem). when a person has been indoctrinated and commodified from birth they become the barrier to their own survival. it's a very sad situation but most will simply allow their own horrific death with the indecision to change their mind.
weigh* the risks
I hear what you are saying doctor Greger. My question is…what alternative does a patient has? Do nothing???
get healthy, the human body can heal better if it had lots of whole plant foods and exercise. you also need to stop the exposure to cancer causing radiation and/or contaminated food or water. this is something we all must so anyways so that is a recommendation for everyone, and its even better for prementeving cancers or the many other illnesses we get. prevention first, then we do not need the "cure" they sell us.
As you do more re-search, you'll find that a WFPB will not only STOP you getting any illness at much higher rate than ANY DRUG, but it'll also prevent and potentially reverse some current diseases. If the disease doesn't have an environment beneficial to grow in, it'll never be a problem for ya. Remember, they've found that we ALWAYS have tumor cells, but they will only ever become a problem. Genetics may only play up to may be 10% of our problems; as our genetics may load the gun, the environment pulls the trigger.
Check out Dr Goldhammer - he runs a medically supervised fasting program at true north center.
Lookup two things. "Cancer as a Metabolic Disease" and "Fasting to Cure Cancer"
Something gaining credence is that cancer is caused by non terminal chronic inflammation. Dr Jason Fung is talking more about this and fasting.
Best way to cure cancer is to not get it. A healthy lifestyle will help you there. Find out what causes your body chronic inflammation and avoid it. Just understand, we are all different. It is up to you to understand your body and how it works. Your doctor is a consultant, you have to become the expert regarding your body.
@@sudd3660 I was totally with you until your final statement. I currently have gastric and liver cancer. My Oncologist told me treatment was palliative, not curative. And believe me, primary Md and my oncologist didn’t mince words. Also I worked as an oncology RN back in the early 90’s, I never once heard a Dr give false hope of a cure when there was none.
Thanks for sharing this information, dearest Dr Michael Greger. We should all be educated to be able to make informed decisions, unfortunately we let the medical establishment prescribe these deadly drugs. My mom didn`t survive the first round of chemo, prescribed to prevent colon cancer to return after a successful surgery.
So, there's no suitable treatment for cancer?? What's the alternative then? This is scary 😰
Every cancer is different and how it responds to treatment. Early detection is great, but prevention is the best.
If you get cancer you must research the "treatments" for your type of cancer. Some cancers respond really well to the treatment and others not so well. Impossible to make a blanket statement about all cancers.
There's no suitable conventional treatment that is humane and has a high rate of efficacy....dozens of non-toxic alternatives to try
@@happycook6737 Hopefully, one day, we will be able to make blanket statements about all cancers.
people always takes the simple way out instead of real change, many factors influences people to not being able to see the reason why they got health issues in the first place. so we can blame peoples ignorance, a rebuilding of society is needed to get out of this health crisis, and all the other crisis we have.
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Interesting that Dr. Geger wants to tax foods to control obesity. The judgement of which foods to tax would naturally fall to the FDA, which approves drugs with no known benefit.
LOL. That was my thought too. What DOESN'T get corrupted in this country? These are the same people who have recommended processed sugars and grain oils as replacements for healthier fats for decades. That's the "solution" you get when the midwest is overproducing corn by 60% a year or so I guess. Gotta sell that corn, so be sure to eat some pork and beef while you're at it. That livestock can eat pounds of the stuff a day. All good for the economy I suppose, but we're all fatter and more miserable for it.
@@markw999 ‘What doesn’t get corrupted in this country?’ Man, that’s a quote for the ages.
The more power we give to government...the less power we have to make our own choices....
If anything....banning alcohol a few decades ago proved how government trying to control what people consume...just doesnt work.
I have never had a drop of alcohol in my life...dont think its good for society but i believe people need to make their own choices...just as ive recently chosen to go WFPB! :)
I cant support higher taxes period. Its not a good solution in my view.
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This sure makes me wonder about the so-called MS therapies which are said to be re-purposed cancer drugs in order to create additional revenue streams.
I met a lady at the water bottle fill up station at Whole Foods who was filling up her bottles with Alkaline Water. She lost her grandmother snd grandfather to cancer. (To chemo!) Both died within one month of each other. When her other grandfather got cancer he went vegan and used only Alkaline Water and he even added Sodium Bicarbonate to his Ak Water. He’d watched in horror as the other set of grandparents died and he didn’t want that to happen to him! .He juiced fresh vegetables also. He was cancer free in 6 months! Maybe won’t work for everyone but it did work for him! This lady was super happy and excited about it, his recovery. It got her to change her diet.
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As a patient who has benefited hugely from chemo, I cannot disagree more with this video. And btw chemo wasn't a big deal (I kept working and hiking throughout) and I have been vegetarian and eaten healthy for decades.
It is better to invest now. You will never be younger than you are today and there will never be a perfect time to invest. Due to compounding, which Einstein called the 8th wonder of the world, you can get rich slowly from investing if you do it from a young enough age.
I say just live clean and sober to thrive, forget medical mafia lies and genocide RX!
Chemotherapy has kept my brother in law alive for over two years fighting his liver cancer. He is in good spirits and functioning quite well. Doctors kill more people with their advice than Liver Cancer...eh?
The cancer 8ndustry is a racket. If these physicians cared about cancer they would long ago have lobbied to remove carcinogens from society instead of opting to make a killing with toxic "treatments."
Michael, we need to cook
Fasting. I'll try that before any doctor talks about chemo. Fail that, go on a complete plant based diet. Fail that, l'll give my money to poor people rather than some greedy pharmaceutical company. I'm a nurse and a man with a possibility of prostate cancer, maybe, but hopefully not. Thanks Doc!
Get that PSA checked every year!!!
I don’t understand this. I know so many people who had chemotherapy and sent their cancer into remission. And they’re still alive. It’s so common.
Sounds like BS. Everyone I've known that did chemo didn't even make it a few years.
@@TSMPimpDaddyPain I’m sorry that you’ve lost so many people. I have lost many loved ones to cancer too. But I think you saying that what I said is BS is really rude. I know a lot of women who’ve beat breast cancer, some are relatives. I also know people who died because of chemo side effects. One was my uncle. I’m not saying that chemo cured everyone. I just happen to know a lot of people who survived and I had attributed it to their going through chemo. I hope that clarifies things for you. I’m assuming that maybe you were so rude because you misunderstood my comment somehow. Anyways, it’s a pretty sensitive topic so maybe you could try to be more respectful. Obviously, watching anyone going through chemo is very emotional. I guess after watching Dr. Greger’s video, I’m sort of stumped wondering if chemo was actually necessary. Would the cancer survivors I know still be alive if they hadn’t had chemo? That’s what I really have been wondering since seeing this.
@@tnijoo5109 Thank you for that, and I apologize that I came off as rude. It definitely is a sensitive topic. I suppose after seeing a few dozen friends/family die at the hands of chemo and radiation over the years, it has made me a little passionate about the topic when I see someone defending these poisons. But I will take your word for it if you know some people that survived. Sorry that I was dismissive at first. As to your last question, I think the answer is almost certainly yes. Most cancers aren't life threatening and the human body is designed to heal itself if given the chance.
@@TSMPimpDaddyPain thanks a lot for your apology. That means a lot. I forgive you. Glad we are on the same page. And sorry if it initially seemed like I was defending chemo. The hard part of the possibilities that chemo might not have been necessary is not just watching family and friends going through it, but so many of the side effects afterwards, like “chemo brain”. I guess part of me still wants to believe it was necessary because otherwise it’s so upsetting.
@@tnijoo5109 Thank you for forgiving and remaining respectful, seems rare online. I accept your apology as well but you didn't do anything wrong I initially reacted too quickly. I agree, it's devastating to think a loved one took a harmful treatment that caused or hastened their death. We are sort of brainwashed from birth into thinking these doctors know everything and never make mistakes, and it takes an open mind and some research to undo that.
Medicare For All and free medical schooling is vital right now. Profit driven “healthcare” is not healthcare at all.
They claim Medicare is holding back PSA tests as standard protocol. They don’t want to pay for the test. 1.5 million men get prostrate cancer every year. 350,000 die from prostrate cancer. Every year. Medicare is killing us!!!
I would be perfectly willing to pay out of pocket!!! Better than the Stage IVb cancer that I have right now.
I gave myself prostrate cancer via poor diet (too much dairy, too many eggs, too much poisonous animal fat, too much poisonous meat(. All things we were told were healthy. Healthy my butt.
The USDA, FDA, ACS, CDC, and medical community in general… lie. And the Mayo Clinic isn’t any better.
Haven’t checked on how good they are at fighting breast cancer. That will be my next area of research.
Chemotherapy oftentimes cures leukemia and lymphomas.
Can I look that peer reviewed information somewhere?
Yes it cures for the a while then comeback later on.
- from someone who had a friend died from leukemia.
@@greenleafyman1028 there are cures for lymphoma and leukemia with chemotherapy.
Capitalism, ain't it great?
If we actually had real capitalism, people would have other choices than these barbaric inhumane treatments.
my mom died and my husband died after chemo ,forget about it
I am sorry to hear that, Barb. My mom also died after the first round of chemo. Her doctor convinced her it was a preventive treatment for the colorectal cancer not to return, after it had been removed surgically.
Thank you Doc. What about radiation? Is that worth anything?