I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought “a lot of these wishes won’t be granted, if every wish was granted it would be chaos” sounded entirely reasonable.
Ah but he's evil because..................look, the main characters a diverse chick and she's going up against a man. It doesn't matter who's actually right or wrong so long as he loses by the end. Hollywood in a nutshell
A couple of other reviewers also pointed out there is a film called "Bruce Almighty", where a person plays God for one day, and the problems caused by granting every bodies wish.
It's funny how Disney tries so hard lately to make sympathetic villains out of irredeemable characters, but make this villain out as pure evil even when he has a good point
@@ProfessorChaos56 not to mention how they gave one of the villains a sympathetic wish but still challenged it. Their way of discussing wishes makes Disney's message look extremely immature at best.
Obviously you couldn't pick apart every single flaw but you missed my favorite one: the Queen telling Magnifico to absolutely not mess with the Evil Book because its Evil Influence will make him Evil, but then later on when she needs to read through the Evil Book to see if any Evil Advice can Evil Reverse the king's Evilness she's like "oh and by the way I have this magic hand cream that stops you from getting Evil by touching the Evil Book :)" that she just out of nowhere knows about and has and didn't bring up or provide any time sooner.
Disney has always had some subversive antifamily messages in their movies. They've abandoned subversive for the more in your face attacks on family values and the typical family audience has responded as it should: rejection.
Someone else said it perfectly on another video. The man from humble beginnings who worked really hard and built a kingdom that anyone could come to and enjoy. They turned Walt Disney into the villain for the 100-year anniversary.
Oddly, this movie seems to ironically showcase how Disney has changed over 100 years from a cutting-edge studio into a corporate sweat-shop, milking its legacy and image for $$.
I don't know, it sounds like this is more original than they've been in a while. Not great, but better than when Disney inevitably remakes this exact same script into a live action remake in about 2 months.
Are you really telling me that the main conflict of the movie is “The King is not granting every single persons wish?” What if two wishes contradict. What if they’re evil wishes? What if they wish for nobody else’s wishes to be granted? How did they not think of this
Didn't watch it, but sounds to me like the issue is "We want our hundred thousand wishes granted." "No, only 90,000 of them are decent and non-contradictory, so i'm granting 12."
Wonderfully said! I would also add that during the song "At All Costs" Magnifico is giving each wish around him attention, showing no favoritism and expressing a genuine desire to protect them, where as Asha very quickly ignores all the other wishes when she finds her grandfather's and focuses solely on it. Magnifico wants to protect, Asha wants to receive. It may not be "her" wish, but she's still more focused on it being her grandfather's wish than it being a good wish. Also, why does Asha just assume that her grandfather is incapable of inspiring people without his "wish" being granted? Seems pretty clear that he inspired her for the entire movie.
@@solanelukoperse5815 Well, one can never say that Disney's bat crap crazy surface level philosophies that are counter productive are easily found by everyone. You took their MESSAGE hook, line and sinker.
*The Disney checklist:* ✅ Song every five seconds hoping one is the next let it go. ✅ Cute animals or creatures or otherwise mascots that can be sold to children. ✅ Trying and giving up halfway to make a complex villian that'd honestly be better off as cartoonishly evil. An ending that basically means nothing. ✅ Forgettable background characters who are only there to prop up a slightly less forgettable main character. ✅ Random references to other Disney IP that make negative sense.
@@RicoTonetti I mean, kids for the most part barely developed any critical thinking in the target audience's demographic. Them liking doesn't change much, and there's better entertainment in cinemas for kids that the parents should be taking them to otherwise.
@@danpmss 1. Sorry but disneys main audience is kids, so I think that them liking does change things. 2. I would believe that “better” cinema is subjective 3. I dont see how “barely developed” matters, point is childerens entertainment should be focused on childeren I agree with you though that this movies sometimes doesnt have a well written story, great character development and too many dialog that make the characters sound like robots. But for childeren, they dont care so much.
It might have been neat if Asha had overheard the King talking about not granting most of the wishes, jumped to conclusions and kicked off the story. Then the end is the king explaining why granting every wish ever is a bad idea. Then she could have an "Oh yeah, I'm a 17 year old that's never run a country and maybe it's ok to leave well enough alone." moment. Just really layer it on that the king is evil, but have the ending explain that all those evil looking moments were misinterpreted.
To add to this maybe she’s being manipulated by someone who lies that their wish is to save a loved one or something, but in reality just wants to become a tyrannical ruler and consume all the wishes to grant themselves more magic. Heck it could be the queen herself wishing to trap her husband in the mirror. And Asha now has to escape with him trapped in a handheld mirror. They then have to work together to defeat the big bad. With the King learning to not be so secretive and distrustful, and Asha learns that not everyone not everyone has good in their hearts. And he finally accepts her as his apprentice.
Yes. The movie was basically an attack on the concept of prayer and it would have had a much better messege, similar to Bruce Almightly, if it explored why not all wishes/prayers are answered.
Would of just been better if she got all the wishes granted and then everything goes into chaos and she needs the king to undo them. Which could teach people the old saying "be careful what you wish for" or something
I would also add that the king doesn't "take" wishes. But he does grant them. People want the wishes, and a lot of people think "Oh, the only way I can get my wish granted is by the king doing it" While his whole point of not doing it constantly, is because he only grants the wishes that can't be done themselves. Like... "I wish my mother wouldn't have cancer"
I remember seeing a comment that read “Wish feels less like a celebration of the studio, and more of a celebration of the corporation.” Couldn’t agree more tbh
You forgot to say that while Magnifico's taking people's wishes, he gives them a peaceful kingdom where everyone lives a happy life. Also, he never forced anyone to join his kingdom and to give him their wishes and all of his efforts seemed to serve the goal of creating a kingdom where everyone is happy, including not granting the wishes that could harm ppeople of the kingdom Truly, a despicable villain we can never understand
You don't join or not join a kingdom. Someone else becomes King and you either live in their realm and are a subject or you don't live there. But otherwise you are correct, dude looks like a nice fairytale King as those go.
Yeah, Wish 2 will be the girl in charge of an impoverished kingdom where everyone is forced to rely on her to meet their very basic needs, but nobody will be prosperous or happy. The Disney communist dream!
It sounds like Magnifico's plan was more like a "lottery" of wishes coming true. Which is reasonable if you think about it. Kind of like, a lottery jackpot. Granting everyone's wishes, willy-nilly, would be utter chaos.
Keeping in mind they're distording some plot points for comical reasons. Asha states herself wishes shouldn't be granted if they're dangerous and such.
@@solanelukoperse5815 Yeah, this is becoming an alarming problem on TH-cam. People don't seem to understand that you can make fun of something that's actually inoffensive or harmless. It's just a matter of assuming the right tone or leading your audience with the right joke. Anything can be criticized because nothing is perfect. Wish seems to be an okay-ish movie. Nothing utterly inspiring. But not as ill thought out as people seem to be slapping themselves on the back and congratulating themselves for. Oh, but Ryan is fine and continues to be a gem. The fact that people don't get what satire is, and that he isn't offering a review, isn't his fault.
@@johnbradbury8610 Yeah, like a mom telling her kid to not go outside because he might get kidnapped. They do both (Magnifico and Asha) realize "granting all wishes even the paradoxes and dangerous ones" isn't bright, too bad corporates sucked the passion out of this movie.
the prompt was "give me an origin story for every piece of classical Disney content while also having magic and incorporating themes from that content".
If this were Disney 50 years ago- the moral of the story would be “ be careful what you wish for “ and the king would help her grow and guide her into a wise leader. Instead they give him a fate worse than death despite being an overwhelming good leader
Let’s be honest, if this were years ago, walts message would be to beware the jews and blacks. Rose colored glasses when looking back helps no one, part of the reason the “make America great again” catchphrase is so ridiculous. Great *again* for who? It’s historically only been “great” for certain people (Watch how many people get triggered by something that doesn’t fit their predetermined narrative below hahaha)
I was thinking of the moral 'you make your own wish happen'. Something like you should put effort in making your wish a reality. But yeah overthrowing a supposedly evil wish granting king is okay... meh
Men are evil and women are good. The woman is lucky to get rid of her husband and can now be free from that horrible oppressive institution called marriage.
Did you not notice that the husband is a straight white man? That means he is bad. And the Queen is a woman in current year, so that means she is strong and independent and she don't need no man. Or love. In the sequel the Queen will be known as Slayyy Qween, and her OnlyFans subscriptions will start at $3.99.
They made this movie to bully Magnifico for existing. What did he do to deserve any of that? Where was that useless star when he was losing his family in a tragedy?
This genuinley could have been a movie with a solid message about wishing for things doesnt mean they'll happen and how hard work and good choices get you further in life, but they just said "nah, money."
I swear Asha told something like this in the trailers ; that if the wishes can't be granted, they should return to the owner, so instead of forgetting what's missing, they can keep working themselves for its realisation or craft another goal with the previous one in mind. Isn't it the whole why forgetting wishes is tragic and not returning them is wrong stated in the movie ? (I don't think I'll watch it, crafting fanfictions around it feels better)
the biggest problem is they even didnt get that. thay dont realize that the more money grabbing you make the movie the less money it will make because people can see right through that these days and also it results in bad storytelling = bad reviews = less tickets sold = less money
My favorite part was when the queen and the one side-character read the evil curse magic book and figure out if you interact with this stuff once you are pretty much evil and cursed forever. Luckily the queen had some anti-evil-curse-magic oil they put on their hands BEFORE reading the book and figuring out that after interacting with this stuff once you are evil and cursed forever. Of course the queen never told her husband about the anit-evil-curse-magic oil because she just loves him so very much and is a good person.
I know, right? Everything with the queen in the latter half of the movie is completely wild. How did they manage to bungle her characterization so hard? She should have at the very least been one of the few people who wanted to reform him at the very end but nope, just smugly sends him to the dungeon forever cause the writers decided to arbitrarily say there's no hope for him oh well to bad so sad. Really dumb stuff overall.
@@thibautisserant the smug part pisses me off cus that characterization for her comes completely out of NOWHERE. like they do this with Hans to. like reducing them to jokes and punching bags while everyone acts all smug about it like... idk its weird and the joke gets old real fast
Glad you brought up the mathematics too. I remember watching the moment in theaters when Asha is like “Most of these wishes will never be granted?” 😨 And I turned to my friend like “He does one a month and there’s like hundreds there, wasn’t that obvious?”
Me, the king's mathematician: Yeah so if we have more than 12 babies / immigrants in a year, then yes, we will have more wishes coming in on 18th birthdays than we can grant on a once-a-month basis. You could move your wish up in the line by purchasing Wish coins to unlock wish loot boxes that might have a redeemable ticket inside them!
Yes, and even though kids' movies get a bit more leeway in suspension of disbelief, this is the kind of plot hole that a child would catch and be bothered by. It boggles the mind that Disney thought that they'd not only make this a plot point, but that they'd make it the central one in a film meant to celebrate their 100th anniversary.
I haven't seen the film, but I was thinking that as Ryan was showing the scene where Asha is looking at all the wishes, and I felt super validated when Ryan said it right afterwards 😂 The frustrating thing is, I feel like there's the genesis of a decent plot. Like I understand being uncomfortable with the idea of this one guy being the arbiter of everybody's wishes, because even if he's doing a good job, why does he get to choose which ones to grant/not grant? Maybe she could have found out that he does something dark and nefarious with the wishes he never grants... With the way Ryan described the plot, it sounded like he was a decent enough king who randomly turned super evil and then was trapped in a mirror.
@@BlackFiresong seen the film (work reasons, not a great time) and the king is super on the level. it is UP FRONT with the whole "you give him your wishes willingly, he does not take them by force nor even shown to be capable of taking them by force, it does not hurt, you WILL forget your wish, and there is a chance every so often that he will grant you your wish in a ceremony" this is told, BY THE MAIN CHARACTER to people coming to visit the kingdom to see if they want to move there. and is only referenced as a good thing. and he doesnt grant all the peoples wishes cause they're either super vague (inspiring people for example. "inspire what? to become a mob? to destroy Rozes?" which HAPPENS IN THE FILM SO HE WAS RIGHT. wrong person, BUT HE WAS RIGHT) or unfeasable, like one woman wanted to fly in the sky like peter pan does, i can understand him looking at that and being like "..... the fck, how i do with this?" as he himself is never shown to fly so i am okay with the idea he cant make people defy gravity on a whim. the star can do it, but thats a living mcguffin, so i dont count it. he became evil because he looked into a evil book for answers on what the falling star was cause he had no idea how dangerous it was, if it was going to put the wishes in danger or whatever else (and also he was being rash cause he asked the citizens for help, ie info, and they demanded another wish granting party to put them at ease and bombarded him with questions even when he was obviously getting frustrated. resulting in the "the thanks i get" song. which i liked actually) the book then made him go insane cause evil magic book do that.... ..... sorry for the long comment but after starting it becomes hard to stop to really hammer home how while he was certainly a narccisist and selfish (he protects the wishes more for himself than the people, but he does grant them and he did build a whole country where everyone thrives. with no taxes apparently. and anyone can do basically anything they want to do. like seriously it's a utopia. and it's hinted he has infact fought off armies to protect the place before as well) he was 100% a good guy at the start.
@@godsplayingfield Can understand your frustration! Also, thanks for the long explanation - I enjoyed reading your comment ❤️ If they wanted to make the guy a villain, they really should have tweaked the premise to make him actually villainous... From your explanation, he just sounds like a decent dude who tragically got taken in by an evil book and ended up trapped in a mirror for all eternity. It's like when Jafar got trapped in the lamp, except way less earned/deserved!
The instant the star thing popped up on screen, I knew Ryan was about to call it a "merchandising opportunity". It was just instantly recognisable as such.
@@TheGodlikeDragon same. But I suppose Nintendo has been a bit insular for a while so they might have just not noticed and it might be too late to sue now.
The fact that modern Hollywood keeps making villains that are more reasonable then the hero's really says something about the people who control Hollywood.
@@elmaster27428 Killmonger's a great example and T'Challa ended up doing pretty much what Killmonger wanted anyway, so there really should have been some kind of negotiation there. Loki was (Initially) just trying to postpone a self centered moron from becoming king. Zemo was trying to hold superheroes and world leaders accountable for their misdeeds. Vulture was trying to save his business from Stark's monopoly. The MCU's got quite a few villains who made good points.
What a perfect way to summarize 100 years of Disney. Taking anything remotely interesting and stripping away any nuance or fun until all that’s left is “product.”
This comment sounds good, but absolutely not true, there are INCREDIBLE Disney Movies, such as Wreck-it Ralph, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, The Princess and the Frog... etc. etc. A Shitton of awesome Disney films. So yeah, people will mindlessly like your comment, and it is true to some movies, but there are brilliant movies made by Disney, so... Please. Think for yourself before liking a populist.
@@Szokynyovics Speaking of thinking. Go read on Disney and copyright and all the other evil shit they've done throughout the years. Then, stop thinking they're good just because you like what they make.
@@Szokynyovics You know what those movies have in common? They all came out a decade or more ago. The last five years in particular have been absolutely shameful for Disney. Their live-action remakes alone should tell you what their priorities are these days.
Honestly this is my approach to just about all movies nowadays. I haven't watched a single Marvel movie/show past Endgame and the Pitch Meetings are a huge part of why I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.
Remember when the TMNT beat Shredder with a guitar riff? That movie came out 32 years ago and it was stupid then. Haven't seen Wish, but I imagine it makes even less sense.
Honestly, all we needed was Magnifico getting a redemption arc. He was clearly a good king before the movie started, albeit overly cautious about the wishes... and you could use Disney logic to say that the magic corrupted him (or maybe make the book the big-bad, like an evil spirit in the book that's slowly taking over him or something). Either that, or make him 100% full villain and have him stealing wish-power from the start of the movie so that we really unambiguously see that he's a bad character who is irredeemable. Magnifico in this movie was in this wishy-washy middle, where he's not quite likable enough to form the basis of a tragedy, but not quite hated enough to serve as a villain.
The concept art reveals a sweet love story and an epic vilain power couple. They reduced a "star-crossed" magical love-interest into a derpy blob that executives thought would sell toys. The real tragedy is we'll never know what the film could have been because there were too many executives in the kitchen taking a dump in the broth.
Same with Frozen. Elsa was supposed to be the villain, and Anna was supposed to get her heart frozen on purpose due to having her heart broken. Instead, we get a “twist” villain out of nowhere who does things counter to his goals (like stopping the guy who tries to shoot Elsa instead of just “trying” to.
@@evilsharkey8954 Also multiple plot holes, like why is this visiting prince from a completely different country in charge when the Queen and Princess is gone instead of, idk, the people who were running it for all those years between the parents' death and Elsa's coronation?
@@rebeccahicks2392 Yeah, it bothered me that they never even hinted at who was actually running the country before Elsa’s coronation. Was it a regent? Was it Elsa? The first time I saw it, I thought one of the unnamed men you see more than once was the temporary head of state.
yeah eff the star, Disney is sitting on cases and cases of Valentino merch it can't move in the parks- you'd think the little goat would at least be a big draw...
Apparently, the star was initially a hunky magic-boy that served as a love interest for Asha, and that song between her and the king was, indeed, initially meant to be a love song between her and the star-boy.
I heard they originally planned on the king and queen both being evil, with Asha being their daughter. That would have been SO much more interesting. Plus Asha would actually be a Disney princess
Probably the only way you could make them evil too would be if they simply vetoed wishes that didn't benefit them, or only granted ones that did, something like that. No rational person could see the choice to simply not give everyone what they wanted as a bad let alone evil decision.
Asha was also going to fall in love with the Star Boy who had a design that tumblr sexy man fans would have loved. Makes the love song fit a lot better.
Yeah, and have there being a PURPOSE from the start for stealing all the wishes. As it was, there was really no rationale given until the evil book. This movie was just shoved together from so many pieces, and none of them fit. They shoehorned in so much, they split the shoe.
I haven’t seen WISH, but when Ryan said that the grandfather’s wish was to inspire people, the first thought that popped into my head was “Inspire whom to do what?” If I were Magnifico, there’s no way I would grant a wish so vague. I would need many, many more details before I even considered it. Meanwhile, there’s a huge difference between wishes and goals. My father’s wish, for example, has always been to go to Hawaii. He’s wanted it ever since he was a child, but he’s in his sixties and it’s unfortunately never happened. His goals, on the other hand, have been to work hard and provide for our family. If Magnifico took people’s goals and made my father forget he had to provide for our family, that would actually cause problems. But taking people’s wishes and making my father forget he’s always wanted to go to Hawaii wouldn’t really have any negative impact at all. If anything, it would probably free my father of his disappointment over having never been.
The worst thing about the movie is that just before that scene there is a wish from someone who wants to be a great conqueror and it is highlighted as dangerous. Additionally, Magnifico, when he says that he is not going to fulfill the grandfather's wish, explains that it is very vague and that makes it potentially risky to fulfill it. The same movie tops off its flaws by having the supposed villain explain to you the bad idea of doing something without thinking about the consequences. Other curiosities of the movie is that people even if they forget their desires, continue doing the things they like and are passionate about that are generally related to their desires, for example, the one who wants to have her clothing store was already a skilled seamstress and dressmaker before fulfilling it the desire. Implied that many have already fulfilled their wishes on their own without having knowledge of this, having the added bonus of being fulfilled by magic if they are considered meritorious and good. Magnifico becomes evil because out of fear of the protagonist he gets involved with evil magic that corrupts him, and his fear is well consolidated because it is explained that he comes from a kingdom destroyed by war and that made him paranoid. A justified paranoia when this selfish teenager embarks on fulfill any desire that comes across, including the desire of those who want to conquer countries that were shown to us moments before.
@@leonardohidalgo5127 I read a theory from someone a while back that the reason why Magnifico becomes evil might have something to do with Asha's wish. We never hear what it is, but if it's "I want people to see how evil he is" that might turn him evil (and pretty much showcases why he's reluctant to grant just any wish).
Not everyone's wishes have the same weight. Something as simple as wanting to go to Hawaii is not everyone's wish. What about people who wish they could find the cure to cancer? Just because you know someone who's wish is to go to Hawaii, that means other people's wishes can't be grander?
Eh, that's not really the case in the movie. The real problem isn't that the king isn't granting all the wishes, but that those who don't have their wishes granted have the central motivation of their life gone, and thus unable to even achieve it without magic. People are comfortable, but everyone in the movie who doesn't have their wish granted is basically depressed, going through the motions in life. Mind you, this doesn't help with the "why doesn't anyone write their wishes down or tell anyone what their wish is" question, but you can attribute a lot of that to magic and/or the people being pretty naive and buying wholly into the system. It's not a GREAT movie, far from it, but the "the bad guy was right" argument doesn't really apply here.
but they know that they're going to forget and not everyone's wishes are granted and they still gave him their wishes willingly! I also think they can be able to live happily as they have been living fine for years@@EmperorSeth
@@EmperorSeththat is a terrible take. The king did not force anyone to do anything and did all the work for them . Anyone could just say no or leave. The people chose to give him the wish.
The idea of taking away their memory of the wish and making it impossible for people to work towards those wishes themselves is a very interesting idea. Shame the movie didn't realize it was interesting.
Thank you, Marvel/Disney, for the number of movies you've released lately. Not that I want to see them, but they give Ryan loads of material for his pitch meetings, and those I definitely want to see.
Just think about how much money it costs to produce a single AAA film these days, and realize how that's all being pissed away by poor quality filmmaking that just seeks to browbeat the audience with tonedeaf moral grandstanding, when it could probably be spent improving infrastructure, feeding the starving, providing affordable homes and care to the homeless, contributing towards a national medical care to diminish insurance costs, etc. But nope, we need a movie where a man justifiably doesn't abuse his wish-granting powers and needs to be turned into a flimsy villain because an entitled diversity hire girl decided he was wrong.
His Disney pitch meetings are always my favorites. The Dumbo one was excellent & different & I had hoped that would open the door for some unique older type pitch meetings. Like the Wizard of Oz would be freaking fantastic!
Marvel has great stuff! Guardians of the Galaxy 3, She-Hulk, etc. Great humor mixed with emotions and real issues like sexism and animal abuse while still making it entertaining
They had a story in there and a good one. Could have continued with the king being right, Asher takes over, grants everyone's wishes, and things got outta hand. She see the problem, goes back to Magnifico (who's somehow imprisoned) and she apologise for her mistake which will show growth and also the disparity in wisdom between the young and the old (Asher and Magnifico). Magnifico tells her a story of why he doesn't grant everyone's wishes and not that he doesn't want to but because of what it had led to in the past. She gives him back his role and he helps fix things and at the end, she truly becomes his apprentice or knowing that she could handle it during the course of fixing things, Magnifico hands thing to Asher, so he can rest and enjoy the simple things of life with his wife. There were so many ways to go to make this great...
It’s genuinely so impressive that one man and a green screen, with a prop pieces of paper can be so entertaining and accurate. He’s seriously talented isn’t he?
What still baffles me is how Asha (without any prior knowledge of how wishes or magic works) went to be interviewed by the King for a position as his apprentice, but immediately accuses him of "stealing wishes" (when said wishes were clearly and willingly given to him) when her undeserved request gets denied due to the King's knowledge, wisdom, and expertise on the matter? Asha is the villain here, and her spoiled, immature outburst and false accusations are what caused the King to turn to dark magic.
I honestly think that this is a better take on the movie. That Asha was the villain all along, but she doesn't realize it, and it's her inadvertent actions that directly cause the King to become evil.
Every time I hear of a new project coming out, it’s like: “Oh my God! Stop already!” It’s like we’re all shipwreck victims and we’re clinging to whatever entertainment we have left before that gets washed away too.
It's actually a pretty great movie, even for adults. I watched it twice. Once alone and with my husband. We both loved it, as did my daughter and her grandparents. And I'd watch it again. Can't go by the reviews, sometimes.
Magnifico could have easily had some arc like, "Do you know what an unfulfilled wish does to people? You could have an ideal or happy life, but you'll always be hung up on that one thing missing. The bulk of these wishes are just people wanting to be famous, or wealthy, or prettier, or more talented, almost always motivated out of jealousy toward someone else or discontent with their lot in life. I take away that wanting and leave them with contentment, even happiness. You want your wish granted? Make sure it it's worthy; something you'd still be willing to chase even without my blessing. Now, make friends with the door." He only jumps to extremes about the dangers of vague wishes, but could have shared that wishes can come to represent regret and prevent one from living their life to the fullest. There could have even been some sweet moment like, "Your grandfather inspired you, did he not?"
Yeah, the vague wishes bit doesn’t really work as an excuse for the king. He grants the wishes, so he can choose how they’re granted. He just has to grant them in a way that doesn’t cause problems (i.e. he grants a wish to inspire others via a hero moment as opposed to a bloody political revolution). Better yet, if the wish is too vague, why not send for the person who wished for it and *ask them for clarification?* Helping his citizens articulate their wants better would be exclusively beneficial.
I had the same point, the villain was basically curing people's depression in most cases with the wishes he was making them forget. Also possibly turning those people into better versions of themselves. These points really could have been better explored in the movie it just seemed like they were too lazy to do so. The whole evilness of the villain seemed so forced.
@@thechunkmaster8794 He possesses the very essence of the wish though. I'd wager the implication is meant to be that the person themselves doesn't know or perhaps doesn't care. An easy example would be someone who only wants to become rich. You can imagine all the dark and evil ways one might accomplish this goal. You wouldn't want to put your power behind such a blind ambition. Likewise, the grandfather only wanted to inspire people or something, but the very essence of his wish didn't necessarily care how. Did he want to inspire people to be better or did he just want to be famous?
@@silverblade357 Assuming that is true, you expect me to believe that Magnifico, an experienced wish-granting sorcerer, is not capable of thinking critically and granting a version of the wish that does _not_ lead to ruin?
@thechunkmaster8794 Because it is his power being used to make that wish happen, and any unforeseen consequences of the granted wish would fall on him. Why are people entitled to have their wishes granted at no cost or effort to them?
It baffles me how they didn‘t make their 100 year celebration movie about Mickey Mouse, especially given that next year the copyright to the original Mickey short, steam boat willy, will go to the Public Domain.
I have seen a pitch for Wish to be a Fantasia prequel which I liked, with Mickey wanting to become the apprentice of the wizard, and the wizard collecting wishes because using his powers and the powers of the wishes he keeps Charnabog (that devil figure from Fantasia) sealed. And then the story would be about Chernabog tempting Mickey with power and tuff. That picth sounded a whole lot more interesting than what we got.
Fun fact: At All Costs WAS originally suppose to be a love song between Asha and a star boy. So yeah, the star was originally going to be a star boy who becomes Asha’s love interest and the king and queen were suppose to be an evil duo. It’s a shame because that would’ve been fun. But Disney is scared of love stories now and writing uniquely intimidating villains like Frollo.
I’m guessing there was a lot of internal anger over a female character and a star “boy” having love interests. Clearly the star would have been stalking her if it were a male.
@@samblack5313 because you can’t have love stories without the toxic, stalkerish mindsets when so many healthy, beautiful relationships have been written.
The King sounds like a totally nice guy. Granting 12 wishes a year is a pretty great thing to do compared to let's say...ruling with an iron fist and killing everyone who opposes him even a little. His subjects sound like a bunch of entitled pricks. "He doesn't grant all our wishes all the time, let's banish him into a mirror for the rest of eternity."
A couple of other reviewers also pointed out there is a film called "Bruce Almighty", where a person plays God for one day, and the problems caused by granting every bodies wish.
@@islasullivan3463 I think it's probably better, but it really would need to be part of the mechanisms involved--and possibly even show it to occasionally be beneficial. (Maybe have somebody getting the chance to see what their wish is--maybe if you ask politely, you can?--and just going "...can you please drop this down a well?" You don't have to show just what was the wish they now think is absolutely messed up, just...they don't want it.)
The more I think about this plot the more I think about the kind of wishes I would make when I was 18. I can't imagine any of those wishes ought to come true.
Yeah, the realization the past you was kind of cringe and that the things you believed and wanted would have made the world or at least your life measurably worse. And because you were so cringe and weak none of the things you wanted actually didn't happen, Thank God. Been there; done that, to man. Shows how much you have grown as a person to admit that.
Wish honestly seems like it was written in a week. Like some underpaid and overworked writer was given a week to write a first draft, and every day an executive ordered them to add something to it (like the ending tie-ins) with no regard for what the story actually was. So in the end we got a half-baked script with a few interesting ideas that are never explored and a bunch of random Disney anniversary crap that doesn’t mesh with the story at all.
"Also the king has a backstory about making sure no one suffers anymore by building Rosas and making sure they're happy. " "Doesn't that make him a good guy?" "Yup." "But he's the bad guy?" "Yup. So..."
I had a pair of free tickets so I took my 7 year old daughter to this movie and even she was like "so they beat him by singing a song?" I've never been prouder of her for noticing the bullshit.
It is kinda funny that king magnifico on the beggining have a point. You can't really guaranted everyone wish. The economy would colapse, many people would wish to be king or to just destroy other people's wish. And then disney turned him in a generic villain.
But see, that's what Disney fans were begging for - a generic "classic" villain rather than a twist villain (Frozen), no villain just someone misguided (Moana, Encanto), etc. Talk about be careful what you wish for, am I right?
Imagine if Wish was actually about walking that line between giving people what they want while accepting that some people's wants just aren't good. *_That_* would be an actually subversive approach that has something meaningful to say while still being built on the original Disney productions. She comes into it believing that everyone's wishes should just be granted and thinking he's evil for not doing that, and at first she's painted in the right but then slowly it's revealed she's actually quite wrong until in the climax Magnifico literally just has to ask "Wait... do you even know what people were wishing for?" and pulls down a few magic wish snow globes of the city on fire, authoritarian dictators, complete anarchy, etc. Ultimately culminating in "people are young, they're angry, they lash out, they want what's best for themselves and, yes, a few genuinely want and aspire to good aspirational things; those wishes I can typically grant, although not always. People are never forced to stay here, visitors can come and go freely, and people choose to stay here because it's better." Maybe finally ending on a sort of vague middleground while instant granting of wishes is still fairly rare, they start a program or something to help people achieve their own wishes at a higher rate. Sort of taking a split idealist and realist philosophy a bit like MHA does with heroism. ( *_especially_* in the later seasons )
I haven't seen the movie and I feel really bad for Magnifico. Dude was just doing what needed to be done and the protag ends up doing exactly what he was doing anyway? What?
@aeroga2383 The same thing he was doing but worse. Under his system, people either got what they wanted or they stopped wanting something they couldn't have. Under Asha's system, people either get why they want or they don't. They continue wanting. They feel deprived. They know Asha is picking winners and losers.
This is actually a clever allegory for Disney. A king (Disney himself) that made people's dreams come true at the cost of your unique imagining of those depicted fantasies. Compared to the current Disney were their modern attempts at mass market appeal come off as soulless with the only memory of what was at their height. With the mirror showing their caged past rather than the real ugly being they've become.
Didn't Wonder Woman '84 pretty much show the dangers in granting everyone's wishes? There's also the fact that some people's wishes will be mutually exclusive.
The whole “figuring it out mathematically” thing is by far the funniest part of this movie to me Like, the king makes it a public event which wishes he grants and yet Asha is like “so most of these wishes will never be granted?” Like it’s some sort of profound statement/discovery 😂😂
@@everynametaken No, it wouldn't. I used to use ChatGPT for beta-reading, proofreading, and editing, but for the last 6 months it's been getting dumber and dumber.
"So, you know how people oddly like furry female bunnies?" "Uh-huh." "And people also have a fetish for women in uniform?" "With you so far..." "What if we combined the two, and made a furry female cop bunny." "Oh, a furry female cop bunny is tight!" "Ohhh, my God."
The kicker is the reason people come to this kingdom is they know they can’t get their wishes through working for them so they come to ask the king for their wish to be granted, and he lets them live there on condition they give him their impossible wish and maybe he grants it someday. So if they win the lottery they get something they could never have gotten, and if they lose they don’t remember the impossible wish that was making them miserable enough that they came to this kingdom in the first place. Meaning even if the king doesn’t grant their wish they are objectively better off than if they still remembered their wish.
I truly hope they make a sequel to Wish, about the dystopian disastrous situation that comes with granting everyone's wishes--and the nightmare unleashed when a young, immature girl is given that power when they've imprisoned the men who speak out for moderation and reason.
Love how the main character doesn't question how her relative's wish makes no sense, or rather it's not what he claims. He wants to "inspire" people. However, if his wish gets granted is the magic doing the actual work to provide inspiration, he is doing nothing but reaping the benefits. So he doesn't want to inspire, he wants to be revered. There is also the fact that the kingdom is supposed to be safe and prosperous, meaning that likely a lot of wishes are subtly being granted without magic (a happy home, a long and comfortable life...). And there is the fact that some wishes can't be achieved without controlling the actions of others (the "inspire people" mentioned above is already borderline, but consider wanting to be loved, or loved by a specific person). There are so many interesting way to face a similar story. And there is the soulless cashgrab.
Like if everyone wished to be rich the economy would collapse, or if someone wished for loads of food it would have to come from someone elses plate. What if someone wished to be popular with all the ladies or that someone in particular would love them, does that mean the wish is exerting a negative controlling influence on others? 'I want to be a monster slayer' well there first has to be monsters to slay created.
@@watcherzero5256 the first would just flat-out not work, rich is a relative concept, not absolute. The food one might at least be created from nothing (it's magic, it might work), but you aren't rich because of how much you have, but because you have more than others. There are just so many interesting discussions to be made, and all are avoided, at its core because the movie doesn't have any idea what the wish-granting is supposed to be (are the people making a wish cutting corners or are they taken from them to keep them in check? Are the citizens greedy for asking Magnifico to use his powers with no regard for the work it takes on his part and gratitude for it or is him stingy and lording over a resource that's supposed to be free?) and the movie just jumps between those according to what the plot needs with no consistency.
@@themantyf1116Yes, but not all of the wishes will be for money. So, you will have some people who keep the status quo, and the others will be desperately poor. And "Inspire others" is just so vague it can literally be called evil. After all, giving inspiration to a serial killer is precisely one of the effects it will have as stated.
One way I think they could have made this film interesting is that maybe they could have made the king a fake out villain. Like maybe have the king appear to be the villain, and then introduce a new character that "helps" Asha defeat the king, only for the new character to reveal that they were tricking Asha so that they could fulfil their evil wish, thus putting into question whether or not the kings actions were truly wrong.
@@austinreed7343 not necessarily. People are mainly sick of bad surprise villans. Characters that are good but then are revealed to be bad out of nowhere, even if it doesn't make sense.
@@nightwolf89 That's a conclusion I often see, "people aren't sick of [something], they're just sick of [something] done bad". I'm gonna sound very sarcastic, but is "actually, when it's done well, it's good" a ground-breaking statement ? X)
I haven't even seen this movie, but so many people have been talking about how the king is not really a villain and I already agree. He actually sounds like a great guy who's only possible flaw is that you'll forget your wish after you give it to him. However, he's using his magic really selflessly by granting so many wishes and maybe he believes that the best thing he can do for people whose wishes he can't or won't grant is to make them forget so they're not pining after an impossible dream. Also, if you had to forget your wish to have it possibly be granted, I think most people would agree without hesitation.
There are movies where you go, "I have questions," and then there are movies where you go, "How is it that none of the people who MADE this movie had questions?!"
2:11 “…and it’s just the cutest little merchandising opportunity.” I like how that’s also a catchphrase for a few of these animated movie pitch meetings.
1:04 fun fact: this was a love song, the original concept about the star is that he would be come human and Asha and Starboy would fall in love, like Beauty and the Beast.
This movie was definitely a celebration.. of all the things wrong with some Disney movies over the last 100 years. * Generic storyline * Protagonist who is absolutely right just because she says so * "Villain" who is absolutely wrong because the protagonist says so * Uninteresting side characters/merchandising opportunities
Since Asha is able to go off by herself and make a wish, summoning the Star, which then proceeds to unleash chaos (turning every animal, plant, or fungus it touches into a singing/talking person and destabilizing the kingdom), and she is not portrayed as having any magical ability or training previously, it seems that in the "Wish" universe, any random person can make Wishes that come true if they're near 18 or older. Well, maybe they have to sing it out as a musical number? At any rate, King Magnifico was apparently able to create a peaceful, prosperous kingdom with stable physics by extracting and storing people's Wishes (one per person?), and regulating which ones are granted. We can only wonder what kind of mess the rest of the world must be in, but that would explain why refugees were fleeing to Rosas to begin with.
I just hate that this entire conflict apparently starts with a disagreement on who decides what wishes get granted or not. Like, my gal, the one with the ability gets to decide what they use that ability for. Even if you disregard all the possible reasons as to why you shouldn't grant all wishes, it's still a no-brainer, really.
loved this pitch meeting. The most disappointing part for me about the movie (besides throwing out that concept with the star boy love interest) was that they pretended like Magnifico was an irredeemable fully evil villain, when he yet was only a concerned ruler of a flourishing kingdom, that liked to hear himself talk. I liked that you mentioned how absurd his "arc" played out and especially the role his WIVE had in it. Like in the first half of the movie they seem truly in love. We literally SEE and HEAR about that Magnifico truly cares for the citizens of his kingdom and that he loves his wive. If they needed to include "At all Costs" in this movie (which is a beautiful song, just not fitting for where they put it) and let Magnifico sing about how he wants to PROTECT the wishes of his people at all costs and that he (a hundred times again) CARES for them, then the creators gotta recognize that as the condition of him being actually redeemable. He only used the dark magic after his concerns had grown so big that he decided it was the only opportunity to save his kingdom from whatever threat was currently occuring. His wive did not want him to use the dark magic and seemed really worried about him and at first he listened (which shows that he has not only love but respect for her), but when he decided things became too dangerous ... well ... as he SAID IN THE FRIKIN SONG: "desperate times call for desperate meassures" It makes absolutely ZERO SENSE, that the queen did not even have the IDEA to try and help Magnifico become normal again... But the movie clarified that even if she would have tried it would be impossible because... hmm why? Oh yeah - the laziest damn excuse in cinema history: The magic evil book says he can't turn good again That's it. Like. What? Yeah it just not possible once he is possesed by the dark magic. Like?????? Okay damn that was a long comment. All in all the movie was a huge disappointment to me. I liked the overall music very much but the soundtrack clearly was written for a different movie. The visuals were a nice touch for an actual anniversary. Ofc Disney did not have the guts to go full 2D, but I liked the art style as a concept with the watercolor-look-alike backgrounds and so on. But the story and the characters? Man... It could have been so so much better but it just wasn't...
The Queen definitely acted very mixed towards the book. Like the book promises unlimited power and you can't be defeated and nothing will happen to you, and she doesn't trust it one bit. But the book says you can't reverse the effect of the book, and she trusts it instantly?
@storyxobssesedxnerd Given what we know of Magnifico's personality and how much he cares for an wants to protect people (which is what got him corrupted), you I can say with 100% certainty that, if the roles were reversed, and his wife became corrupted and trapped in the mirror, he would move heaven and earth to save her. It's sad when the villain is the least evil and most noble person in the movie.
I am amazed his country isn't flooded with people who want in. Just being a citizen will fulfill the wishes of many that they not have to pay rent (without having to live in the wilderness with no amenities). I suspect a writer self insert here.
Disney is so out of touch and the writers are so insane that the character that is supposed to be the bad guy is actually reasonable and has good motivations, and the character that is supposed to be the hero is actually a villain that wants to ruin a kingdom where everybody is happy just because she's selfish, entitled, and can't think of the implications of her actions for more than five seconds.
but that is exactly how the current culture is today....If someone may get hurt in anyway in the moment then it must be called raci...lol and be bad....Not a single thought towards the actual long term ramifications and the fact that doing such impulsive things ithout any real thought or logic often creates far dyer consequences for everyone involved in the future. But that requires thought....we dont do that today....thought triggers young people.
SPOILERS: I think one of the movie's biggest sins is, it doesn't let us know WHAT Asha's mother's wish was. So when Magnifico destroys it, it doesn't leave an emotional impact because we never know if the wish was something personal or precious. Like, did she wish she could see her late husband once more? Does she want her daughter to be safe? Is it to remember her late mother's face after so many years? For all we know, it was something petty, like having her favorite snack. Without context, there's no high stakes in losing that one wish.
What you've just done is perfectly outline the difference between some random Joe who puts words on paper, and a proper writer who understands how to tell a story. Unfortunately Hollywood is populated almost entirely of Joes
Plot twist: her wish really was to have her favorite snack again because they stopped making it when she was a teenager and she never forgot the taste. Fuck it, am I right?
1:14 “that’s a love song!” Imagine how interesting a dynamic it could be if Asha had a crush on the king, and was trying desperately to see everything about him as perfect, but her friends were the ones who discovered he was evil. The moral could’ve been something about how you should trust your long term friends over the whims of your heart. Plus, the crush would make an excuse for her to be really dedicated to becoming the king’s apprentice
Typical Disney, the songs were written way before the script was, in the early days that is- they flipped the script and the concept for this movie a few times, but kept the songs. You just can't plug old songs like that into a new movie..
So people didn’t watch the movie. The song was used to show how obsessed the king was towards the wishes. It was a love song. A song towards the wishes of
The best hypothesis I've seen (outside of simple incompetence top to bottom) is that this was going to be a very different movie (for one, the king and queen were going to be an Evil Power Couple), but a bunch of executive meddling and a half rewritten script left scattered bits from multiple drafts muddled in the final product and an incoherent conflict.
At least one of the songs was written before the screenwriter was even brought in. Probably explains the awkward love duet to the "wishes" and the somewhat generic lyrics for This Wish.
@@joeshmoe9978excelt Asha isnt gay so it cant be anti straight anything, thats jut how writing works. especially when she was intended to have her own male love interest. and the other straight couples who are good guys (literally asha's parents are implied to be loving) if it was anti straight or whatever itd emohasize heavily on gayness it doesnt. at all. there are no gay characters in this movie. theres legit issues with this movie and you lot just be makig shit up cus people exist iny our heads rent free and youre paranoid 24/7
I wished someone gave those people basic math. Also, if the wish you make is something you then forget about, wouldn’t people regularly give him their worst, deepest, creepiest desires to rid themselves of them?
@@abduljah9355 He says he only grants wishes that benefit the kingdom, which is meant by the writers to be understood as only granting wishes that benefit him, but... he's king. To a large degree his prosperity and the kingdoms are intertwined, and it's otherwise shown to be a great place with no rent, so...
Or better yet, make your wish "I wish to forget" and then add in anything you don't want to remember anymore. You get your wish given to you right away :D
@@abduljah9355 Yeah, he mentions that in the movie. He doesn't grant wishes that may potentially harm the kingdom or have unforeseen/unknown consequences. Basically a man who has virtually unlimited power and is using it as responsibly as possible...so clearly he's evil and needs to be destroyed.
This is the most likely scenario. They probably did most of this during the writers strike and hoped for the best. Honestly I didn't even know it was in theaters. I thought it was straight to streaming content.
Literally, this is what I think happened. "Prompt: Write a movie with "wish" as the core theme and incorporate as many Disney aspects as possible." I came away with the exact same thought.
As someone who saw Wish in theaters, I can confirm that it was worse than this Pitch Meeting makes it sound. Especially because Disney hyped it up so much, and instead of making a certified classic that showcased their storytelling and technical prowess developed over 100 years, they just slapped a grainy filter over a cookie-cutter film and called it a day.
I avoided this one based on the plot rundown and the icky look and song previews, and then was amazed to find that Wonka seems to be doing a better job at being a Disney-style fantasy musical!
@@roristevens2810I saw Wonka as well as Wish (hmmm...they are both one-word titles starting with the letter "W"...), and I can confidently state that Wonka was at least entertaining while I was watching it, while Wish actually bored me (and I was watching Wish in 3D!). I have a lot of problems with Wonka, but they pale in comparison to the problems with Wish. And I agree, the songs in Wonka are much, much more "Disney" than the songs in Wish. 😊
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 I dunno...they didn't go all the way with it. It kinda feels like they put a filter over the film, instead of committing to the style like in Across the Spider-verse. To be honest, the only reason I'm complaining about the animation is because how huge Wish's budget was. With that much money, it should look A LOT better than it does.
I caught the first mantinee showing which was in 3D, and the character movement was so jerky and distracting. Maybe it will be more tolerable on a smaller screen.
Wonder Woman 1984: "People only make selfish wishes and no one's wishes should be granted" Wish: "People never make selfish wishes and everyone's wishes should be granted"
So yeah, Asha knows that. I don't know why people act like she didn't explicitly stated it in the trailers, (something like "if a wish is bad it shouldn't be granted, but if it's not dangerous etc.") it's not like it's the only thing we can complain about in this movie.
My family watched the movie cause my five-year-old niece was super hyped to see it. All these questions and more, like "How do animals in the forest know what star matter is made of and atomic processes?", "Didn't Asha want to save ALL of the Wishes when she snuck into the castle?", and "Wait, how old exactly is Asha's mom if her grandfather, NOT great-grandfather, is 100 years old?" have been flitting through my mind ever since.
When Asha was born, he was 83 years old (assuming I wasn't lied to). If her mother gave birth ~30 then he just needed a fertile wife and the ability to get it up to have had a kid at like 50
@@timbradshaw5481 It's called just watching a movie that is poorly written, poorly made, and has a ton of holes or poorly conceived ideas. I do envy people to an extent though, like you perhaps, who can just not think about anything they watch and just consume product blindly without a single question crossing their mind as to the merits of the work.
@@beerosaurusrex I can't watch things blindly. I have to pay attention. I wasn't insulting him/her, I was just saying what is likely true. Imagine going through a divorce, or losing your kids in a custody battle, or struggling with your job, and then thinking deeply about the flaws of a disney movie. It's not going to happen is it? So the writer of this comment is likely having a stable period with no major issues and therefore was able to put time and effort into thinking about the flaws of this movie.
It’s funny that the concept of the movie seems more interesting with having the main character be the daughter of the king and both the king and queen are evil
Yeah, and it was supposed to be a love story between the main character and the star, which was humanoid (explains the love song). Can't have modern Disney heroines have romance!
What you suggested was exactly the early draft, according to rumour. Why did they change it…? Maybe they can’t have a woman be evil? Maybe they want the evil one to be white, and the good one not (and they can’t have adoption in *every* story)? Maybe… More and more it’s hard to deny that story takes 2nd place to _message_
You know, this reminds me of another story about wishes. About the abduction of a monarch at the party they're hosting, where the protagonist is stuck down by the comedic yet entertaining villain, followed by a long journey where our hero meets many allies each with their own backstories and fleshed out personalities. Even with frequent interludes to the kidnapped victim where they investigate their prison and help the hero with aid from a star being who answered their wish. It also features a finale that is not only captivating, but emotional with the score showing how far the hero has come, and then a satisfying villain defeat. You know... Frickin paper mario.
Paper Mario (excluding Sticker Star) has such impressive stories!! Really interesting stories worth experiencing and remembering. My favorite is Color Splash’s but the original Paper Mario is really good too! It involves wishes and does it right. Bowser wasn’t getting his wishes granted so he stole the star rod to grant them himself! A dangerous combination with him easily kidnapping Peach and causing trouble. That shows how not every wish should be granted. The star kid Twink answered Peach’s wish for help, but in a true time of need with a concerning villain causing actual problems. I’d much rather enjoy a wonderful Paper Mario story over whatever this Wish movie was.
@@Danchildus Bowser’s one of my most favorite characters! And not just since Super Mario’s my favorite franchise. He looks really cool and is interesting. He has his own kingdom! He’s not always the bad guy and even has a son he cares for. Comedic at times, but when he gets up to no good can be intimidating! Mario & Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story features him on the adventure and is amazing! King Boo from Luigi’s Mansion is also a formidable villain and unlike Bowser, who has a little good in him, is full on evil! Bowser may have gone as far as to steal the castle’s stars and make his own painting worlds, try taking over the universe, and swallow Grand Stars to become huge, but King Boo’s unrelenting evilness and what he’s capable of with his paintings and illusions is terrifying.
The premise of a king hoarding peoples whises and granting them at his own will is actually pretty promising. Too bad they botched the message completely and didn't draw any interesting or logical conclusions..
Yeah, totally agree. I mean, it is pretty reasonable system. If you want to work towards your dream/wish, you will not need magic and simply try you best (like wanting be be ship capitan or something so you become sailor etc.) but if it's something like being amble to fly etc., them you can try lottery magic, but price is, that you forget it. People have this way something to look forward to and hope, they are lucky and their wish will be fulfilled and at same time focus on things, that they decided to do with their lives. What is realistic/reasonable etc., is purely their choice. Just like what will they do with their lives (well, that isn't purely your choice, but similar principle). People are happy, king has happy commoners, I see no problem. Maybe higher output of fulfilled wishes would be better, but not sure, how much is too much and how much is too little. Maybe someone who would help King with his magic, rather someone who take over and is irresponsible with their power. It is interesting concept, that I think would be better, if King was neutral character (you know they can exist, Disney?) and bad guy was someone else, who wants to steal wishes for power or something. King should be more classic wizard, who teach character about responsibility and how not all wishes can/should be fulfilled. MC would them teach him, that it's ok to let be little more free and generous with wishes and not be so strict with people or something. But that is just my idea and I can be totally wrong.
But God has helped me to this very day; so I stand here and testify to small and great alike. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen- that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles. Acts 26:22-23
"Are we sure [X] is not evil?" feels like a very common question when it comes to modern heroes. Along with "It's ok because they're the main character".
Yeah seems to be a theme in Hollywood. White man in charge doing good. Strong woman of colour decides we need diversity and overthrows him because reasons
Plot hole: If giving the king your wish makes you forget about the wish's existence, how is it that her grandfather has been waiting to have it granted his whole life?
"Yeah, that may as well happen" has to be the most under rated line in these things. You know producer guy has just given up trying to make sense of stuff when that line comes out.
@@NoPowerintheVerseYes, because you forget it after giving the wish up in hopes Magnifico will grant it. What happens if you write it down beforehand? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What's a shame to me is that the conflict is interesting for all of five minutes. Initially, Asha's gripe is that Magnifico isn't granting everyone's wishes, but when he retorts with a reasonable defense (some wishes are dangerous), she responds with one of her own: that he shouldn't still hoard the wishes he refuses to grant. He responds that it's better they live in blissful ignorance than go chasing a dream they can never attain, to which Asha points out that the only thing standing in the way of that is _him_ , and that is where the discussion stops and both characters become totally flat.
The dangerous wishes aren’t the only problem. Even the seemingly benign ones could cause problems. What happens if 90% of the population wishes to be rich? Then who will work to provide food, shelter, clothing etc. do we just wish all that into existence? What if two men are wishing for the affections of the same woman, or two women with the same man? And wouldn’t that wish take away the freedom of choice and self determination of the subject of the two wishers affection? What if my wish is for my son to be a farmer but he wants to be a guitar player? The king has a pretty valid point about the danger of granting every wish under the sun.
@@franciscodanconia4324 Both of the characters have valid points, because it's easy to argue that it's cruel for the king to give people false hope when he never plans to grant their wishes. But that argument is side-stepped because it would make the movie too philosophical and there are Snow White homages we need to get to.
@@franciscodanconia4324 So you defined dangerous wishes, congrats. Now, why not giving them back so people can work on it instead of living in blissful ignorance ?
@@66Roses it would be cruel if he didn’t grant the wish and the people knew he didn’t grant their wish, but apparently they forget their wish after they give it to him for the chance to be granted.
@@solanelukoperse5815 as far as a fairy tale goes it’s kind of genius. He’s basically packaging up a lot of people baser instincts into cute little bubbles and the people forget they had them. Theres probably a lot of greed, jealousy, envy and the rest of the deadly sins locked up there. And apparently the people of the kingdom are happier for it.
I do like how the producer guy was originally the bad influence in these skits, but now its been slowly tending more and more towards the writer as the fool
It's been an interesting trajectory as the producer guy has pretty much shown to make funky pushes for money, as that's his main motivation, while writer guy has started doing dumber ahnd dumber things, which producer guy doesn't really push back on, as long as it seems like money will be made .. lx)
Because that's how Hollywood is actually trending. Writers used to care about making good movies and the producers would ruin them with corporate messaging. Now the writers are the ones who couldn't care less about movie quality and the producer is panicking because they just lost a billion dollars on box office bombs this year.
The movies' plots have gotten significantly dumber and worse the past decade, so Ryan's just mimicking reality with the shift. Producer Guy is still an idi0+ for approving the scripts, if that makes it better.
If people forget their wish, wouldn't most of them come back anyway? I mean, the reason what sparked the wish should still be there. If someone wishes their partner wasn't sick anymore, do you think if they forgot that wish it wouldn't just come back straight away? And if the magic works like it erases all triggers for that wish, you can use the wishes for things you don't want. Like most of the movie, forgetting the wish makes no sense at all.
I think the default take-away is that the memory-wipe is a one-time thing. But you're right, without addressing the root cause of the wish, people would just come back. The fact that they don't implies that the memory-wipe magic is a much more active entity that is now living inside your head, and so when the wish begins to form again, right before it can become a complete thought, the magic activates, and all of a sudden you realize that you've completely zoned out, and can't remember for the life of you what you where just thinking about. Which would be weird, except this seems to happen to nearly everyone who lives in this kingdom on a rather regular basis, so it must be fine!
Hey, remember how in Aladdin Genie had those rules about wishes? How you couldn't wish for more wishes, you couldn't wish to kill someone, or have someone fall in love with you, or to bring someone back from the dead? And we all went, "Yeah, sure, that sounds fair"? Apparently *Asha* didn't! ETA: I just realized that the "100-year-old grandfather" wishing "to inspire people" is supposed to be a metaphor for the Disney company, and that's why the king's a bad guy for not granting it. Which ... *could* have worked, maybe, but they would have had to put a lot more work into it.
Asha does know granting all wishes isn't a good idea, it's stated in the trailers. Her deal is more about grating them or give them back so people can work themselves on their realization or another goal. Seriously, I feel like most of the crowd criticizing this movie didn't even watch trailers and is just parroting whatever influencer told them or any false informations they saw in a comment somewhere. Don't get me wrong, this movie direction looks like it was terrible, and people have plenty of things to complain about. But that one fake plot-point ? Bruh. Disney making a movie congratulating itself was funnier in the memes, btw.
@solanelukoperse5815 It's not a fake plot point. She did want all wishes granted. It's only when she realizes that Magnifico never had any intention of doing that that she says he should return the wishes so people can pursue them. She even argues that evil and dangerous people's wishes should be returned so they can be pursued and then stopped, which is just stupid. You'd only be able to stop them after they had harmed people. I can totally understand why a man who had his home destroyed and loved ones killed by people pursuing self desires wouldn't be okay with that. Moreover, she ignore the fact that, so long as Magnifico is protecting the wishes, people never feel the pain of them going unfulfilled. Most of the wishes we see can't be achieved through hard work, and even the ones theoretically could be are such long shots that going to Magnifico is probably the safest bet. It's not like anyone in Rosas wishes for anything they actually need. All the wishes we see are completely selfish. They wish for hair, the ability to fly, their own flying kingdom, to be the greatest at something without having to work for it, etc. Also, working to achieve your wish was always an option. No one was forced to give Magnifico their wish. They did so voluntarily and eagerly. He is the one who imposes the one wish per person rule and the no wishing until you're 18 rule (which also means that everyone who makes a wish does so as a consenting adult).
I like how the movie sets up what Magnifico does & everyone is okay with it/is happy, but then does a 180 whenever the main character doesn't get what she wants, cuz now it's a bad thing somehow. if he hadn't turned cartoonishly evil, he'd be the good guy..
That same think happened with the worst show ever robyn hood, the "bad guy" was reasonable and did nothing illegal yet they put some idiotic things just to convince the audience he was the bad guy at the last episode.
I also find it ironic that the king's longer standing good will is done away with and all out ignored and NO ONE attempts to save him. No one loved that king enough to grant him leniency. He was a good man longer than he was an evil one.
The fact she complains that one guy shouldn't be in charge of granting wishes then ends the movie being the only one granting wishes is amazing. Some people refuse to see the irony
Remember Santa Inc? Santa had a reasonable compromise with the MC that she can handle Christmas behind the scenes, practically running 95% of the company, while the guy Santa chose can be the face. But Santa was a drug dealer and was evil, for some reason. Imagine turning Santa evil because the elf MC didn't get what she wanted?
I think Disney was scared of being compared to the villain in a movie celebrating their 100 years of existence because there really could be something to explore about a guy promising wishes only to take that and turn them into empty, happy (one might even say corporate) people until a young dreamer comes along to knock some sense into them
I wanna see the cut of the movie where Magnifico comes out of his golden shower and signs copies of his book for Asha, singing about a ' bright new progressive tomorrow"
I can't believe this is the same Studio that made Soul and The Princess and the Frog. Not everyone get their wishes granted, but that doesn't mean we live without happiness.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought “a lot of these wishes won’t be granted, if every wish was granted it would be chaos” sounded entirely reasonable.
Ah but he's evil because..................look, the main characters a diverse chick and she's going up against a man. It doesn't matter who's actually right or wrong so long as he loses by the end.
Hollywood in a nutshell
The plot of WW84 :sigh:
A couple of other reviewers also pointed out there is a film called "Bruce Almighty", where a person plays God for one day, and the problems caused by granting every bodies wish.
@@frankspeakmore7104 I especially loved how everyone won the lottery and got like a dollar out of it.
Bruce Almighty showed it perfectly.
“Are we sure the Queen isn’t evil?” Imagine how good of a plot twist that would be!
The main character is evil!
Ya literally just turn her into the evil queen from snow white. She already has a magic mirror 😊
The real plot twist is that she is banishes the mirror to Far Far Away
Originally they were BOTH supposed to be evil, but they decided against that... for some reason.
@@akl2k7I can imagine why
It's funny how Disney tries so hard lately to make sympathetic villains out of irredeemable characters, but make this villain out as pure evil even when he has a good point
Well, Disney fans said they wanted a pure evil villain again...
@@roristevens2810I mean how evil can you be when you run a successful kingdom with seemingly no crime or poverty
@@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zqand grant wishes. Wish my president did that.
He’s an old white man, so of course he’s pure evil. This is modern Disney we’re talking about.
@@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zqRemember Bruce Almighty? He just simply said yes to everyone's wish and it was total carnage.
Still can’t get over Dreamworks decimating Disney with Puss in Boots in terms of wish themed movies.
Jack Horner is exhibit A for why not everyone's wish should be granted.
@@ProfessorChaos56 not to mention how they gave one of the villains a sympathetic wish but still challenged it. Their way of discussing wishes makes Disney's message look extremely immature at best.
@@Tikibird79 Exactly, Goldie getting her wish would be bad for the people (or rather bears) who love her.
@@ProfessorChaos56 Idk about being "bad" for them per se, but definitely inconsiderate of the fact they became her "real" family.
@@Tikibird79 If Goldie gets her wish, they lose someone they love. I'd call that bad for them.
Obviously you couldn't pick apart every single flaw but you missed my favorite one: the Queen telling Magnifico to absolutely not mess with the Evil Book because its Evil Influence will make him Evil, but then later on when she needs to read through the Evil Book to see if any Evil Advice can Evil Reverse the king's Evilness she's like "oh and by the way I have this magic hand cream that stops you from getting Evil by touching the Evil Book :)" that she just out of nowhere knows about and has and didn't bring up or provide any time sooner.
Holy ish 😂
Oh, that's why the humans are on Pandora and after the unobtanium! It's the secret ingredient in that hand cream!
Now it all makes sense.
Ok but why keep the evil book around at all? Why not just get rid of it.
@@blackjackjester and if unable to remove it, why not give hand cream to her husband?
@@blackjackjesterbecause it's funnier that way.
“Being straight up evil is tight!”
Disney 100 years later
TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT!
Disney has always had some subversive antifamily messages in their movies. They've abandoned subversive for the more in your face attacks on family values and the typical family audience has responded as it should: rejection.
@@jamesogden7756 Ooh, regurgitating right-wing talking points is TIGHT!
@jamesogden7756 holding on to outdated and flawed beliefs just because that's what you where taught is TIGHT
@@troubadour723 But not as tight as projecting.
This movie is less of a celebration of what Disney has done, and more of a tragedy of what it has become.
Walt would literally turn down all of Disney if he saw the current state of his creation
You win the Most Poignant Post of this Comment Thread Award.
@@struttux5156No, he'd fix it. The man was a master micromanager.
@@mallios13 At a certain point a broken vase is just broken and your skill in repairing things won't matter
@@struttux5156 to a master craftsman, kintsugi can make any sort of broken pottery into something much more beautiful.
Someone else said it perfectly on another video. The man from humble beginnings who worked really hard and built a kingdom that anyone could come to and enjoy. They turned Walt Disney into the villain for the 100-year anniversary.
Oh wow. I didn’t even realize that. I tell you, this movie was just a big slap in the face to the Disney legacy
Ahhhh your right
He doesn't grant everyone's wish (i.e. no movie can satisfy every person's specific interests) so he must be evil! 😭
It really has come full circle in a way... doesn't make me happy, but it is symbolically accurate. 😅
Oddly, this movie seems to ironically showcase how Disney has changed over 100 years from a cutting-edge studio into a corporate sweat-shop, milking its legacy and image for $$.
Perfection
I saw your comment on penguin0 new video today :>
I don't know, it sounds like this is more original than they've been in a while. Not great, but better than when Disney inevitably remakes this exact same script into a live action remake in about 2 months.
They really didn't fall far from the Walt Disney tree.
Hey shut up and so we're just gonna keep making more crap, and making money...
Are you really telling me that the main conflict of the movie is “The King is not granting every single persons wish?” What if two wishes contradict. What if they’re evil wishes? What if they wish for nobody else’s wishes to be granted? How did they not think of this
Didn't watch it, but sounds to me like the issue is
"We want our hundred thousand wishes granted."
"No, only 90,000 of them are decent and non-contradictory, so i'm granting 12."
As Writer Guy would say, "Hey shut up..."
This is something a small child would understand, this "movie" is an insult.
@@muskyoxesYeah, but he's still granting 12. He could be granting none. He doesn't have to grant wishes.
@@Djorgal If granting them costs nothing, that's a dick move
Wonderfully said! I would also add that during the song "At All Costs" Magnifico is giving each wish around him attention, showing no favoritism and expressing a genuine desire to protect them, where as Asha very quickly ignores all the other wishes when she finds her grandfather's and focuses solely on it. Magnifico wants to protect, Asha wants to receive. It may not be "her" wish, but she's still more focused on it being her grandfather's wish than it being a good wish.
Also, why does Asha just assume that her grandfather is incapable of inspiring people without his "wish" being granted? Seems pretty clear that he inspired her for the entire movie.
Is it the wishes he wants to protect, or the symbol of his power over the villagers they represent ?
@@solanelukoperse5815
That’s what they want you to think, but given Disney’s nature people don’t want to give this movie any credit.
@@solanelukoperse5815 Well, one can never say that Disney's bat crap crazy surface level philosophies that are counter productive are easily found by everyone. You took their MESSAGE hook, line and sinker.
@@TheImapotato Dude, we're discussing a movie detail and its possible interpretations, I'm not sure what's your point.
@@solanelukoperse5815 I know you don't, which solidifies my point...
*The Disney checklist:*
✅ Song every five seconds hoping one is the next let it go.
✅ Cute animals or creatures or otherwise mascots that can be sold to children.
✅ Trying and giving up halfway to make a complex villian that'd honestly be better off as cartoonishly evil.
An ending that basically means nothing.
✅ Forgettable background characters who are only there to prop up a slightly less forgettable main character.
✅ Random references to other Disney IP that make negative sense.
You release that kids still like the movie right?
@@RicoTonetti I mean, kids for the most part barely developed any critical thinking in the target audience's demographic.
Them liking doesn't change much, and there's better entertainment in cinemas for kids that the parents should be taking them to otherwise.
@@RicoTonetti kids like 5 min crafts too.
@@RicoTonetti that’s not a good excuse
@@danpmss
1. Sorry but disneys main audience is kids, so I think that them liking does change things.
2. I would believe that “better” cinema is subjective
3. I dont see how “barely developed” matters, point is childerens entertainment should be focused on childeren
I agree with you though that this movies sometimes doesnt have a well written story, great character development and too many dialog that make the characters sound like robots.
But for childeren, they dont care so much.
It might have been neat if Asha had overheard the King talking about not granting most of the wishes, jumped to conclusions and kicked off the story. Then the end is the king explaining why granting every wish ever is a bad idea. Then she could have an "Oh yeah, I'm a 17 year old that's never run a country and maybe it's ok to leave well enough alone." moment.
Just really layer it on that the king is evil, but have the ending explain that all those evil looking moments were misinterpreted.
To add to this maybe she’s being manipulated by someone who lies that their wish is to save a loved one or something, but in reality just wants to become a tyrannical ruler and consume all the wishes to grant themselves more magic.
Heck it could be the queen herself wishing to trap her husband in the mirror. And Asha now has to escape with him trapped in a handheld mirror. They then have to work together to defeat the big bad. With the King learning to not be so secretive and distrustful, and Asha learns that not everyone not everyone has good in their hearts. And he finally accepts her as his apprentice.
That sounds like a much better film
Yes. The movie was basically an attack on the concept of prayer and it would have had a much better messege, similar to Bruce Almightly, if it explored why not all wishes/prayers are answered.
Would of just been better if she got all the wishes granted and then everything goes into chaos and she needs the king to undo them. Which could teach people the old saying "be careful what you wish for" or something
I would also add that the king doesn't "take" wishes.
But he does grant them.
People want the wishes, and a lot of people think "Oh, the only way I can get my wish granted is by the king doing it"
While his whole point of not doing it constantly, is because he only grants the wishes that can't be done themselves.
Like...
"I wish my mother wouldn't have cancer"
I remember seeing a comment that read “Wish feels less like a celebration of the studio, and more of a celebration of the corporation.” Couldn’t agree more tbh
You forgot to say that while Magnifico's taking people's wishes, he gives them a peaceful kingdom where everyone lives a happy life. Also, he never forced anyone to join his kingdom and to give him their wishes and all of his efforts seemed to serve the goal of creating a kingdom where everyone is happy, including not granting the wishes that could harm ppeople of the kingdom Truly, a despicable villain we can never understand
It’s funny how 90% of people (me included) sided with the ‘villain’ of that movie
You don't join or not join a kingdom. Someone else becomes King and you either live in their realm and are a subject or you don't live there. But otherwise you are correct, dude looks like a nice fairytale King as those go.
@@joimumu Make it 99%, the movie flopped this bad because people sided with him (as they should, he is right after all)
Yeah, Wish 2 will be the girl in charge of an impoverished kingdom where everyone is forced to rely on her to meet their very basic needs, but nobody will be prosperous or happy. The Disney communist dream!
It sounds like Magnifico's plan was more like a "lottery" of wishes coming true. Which is reasonable if you think about it. Kind of like, a lottery jackpot. Granting everyone's wishes, willy-nilly, would be utter chaos.
This man is single handedly preventing me from having to watch...just...so many movies. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
By proxy, impacting Disney's box office. No wonder he got 2 jobs, both screenwriter AND executive boss
Keeping in mind they're distording some plot points for comical reasons. Asha states herself wishes shouldn't be granted if they're dangerous and such.
@@solanelukoperse5815 Yeah, this is becoming an alarming problem on TH-cam. People don't seem to understand that you can make fun of something that's actually inoffensive or harmless. It's just a matter of assuming the right tone or leading your audience with the right joke.
Anything can be criticized because nothing is perfect. Wish seems to be an okay-ish movie. Nothing utterly inspiring. But not as ill thought out as people seem to be slapping themselves on the back and congratulating themselves for.
Oh, but Ryan is fine and continues to be a gem. The fact that people don't get what satire is, and that he isn't offering a review, isn't his fault.
@@solanelukoperse5815 Yeah which is exactly what the king said.
@@johnbradbury8610 Yeah, like a mom telling her kid to not go outside because he might get kidnapped. They do both (Magnifico and Asha) realize "granting all wishes even the paradoxes and dangerous ones" isn't bright, too bad corporates sucked the passion out of this movie.
I don't know what's scarier, that Wish was written by AI or that it wasn't.
That someone read the script and said it was okay.
@@Raximus3000They really thought it would mean money.
@@HMNCLunar💯💯
the prompt was "give me an origin story for every piece of classical Disney content while also having magic and incorporating themes from that content".
the ai probably would have done a better job
If this were Disney 50 years ago- the moral of the story would be “ be careful what you wish for “ and the king would help her grow and guide her into a wise leader. Instead they give him a fate worse than death despite being an overwhelming good leader
of course, this is modern day Disney- the white man has to be made to suffer, and ghurl boss has to win at any cost, and put him in his place...
Morals?! Have you *seen* the world today? 😢
Let’s be honest, if this were years ago, walts message would be to beware the jews and blacks. Rose colored glasses when looking back helps no one, part of the reason the “make America great again” catchphrase is so ridiculous. Great *again* for who? It’s historically only been “great” for certain people
(Watch how many people get triggered by something that doesn’t fit their predetermined narrative below hahaha)
@@Tortilla.Reform - Uuuuuuuggggghhhhhh 😮💨
I was thinking of the moral 'you make your own wish happen'. Something like you should put effort in making your wish a reality. But yeah overthrowing a supposedly evil wish granting king is okay... meh
Thank you! The Queen not caring about saving her husband was my biggest issue with the film, so it's nice to hear someone else also noticed that.
She almost seems to revel in it when Magnifico is defeated !
"Oh the love of my life, trapped forever to a hopeless fate. What a wonderful day."
Men are evil and women are good. The woman is lucky to get rid of her husband and can now be free from that horrible oppressive institution called marriage.
Did you not notice that the husband is a straight white man? That means he is bad. And the Queen is a woman in current year, so that means she is strong and independent and she don't need no man. Or love. In the sequel the Queen will be known as Slayyy Qween, and her OnlyFans subscriptions will start at $3.99.
Fits the conspiracy that “they” want to destroy the nuclear family. 😉
They made this movie to bully Magnifico for existing. What did he do to deserve any of that? Where was that useless star when he was losing his family in a tragedy?
This genuinley could have been a movie with a solid message about wishing for things doesnt mean they'll happen and how hard work and good choices get you further in life, but they just said "nah, money."
Dude, Ryan should make " Nah, money" a new catchphrase haha
I swear Asha told something like this in the trailers ; that if the wishes can't be granted, they should return to the owner, so instead of forgetting what's missing, they can keep working themselves for its realisation or craft another goal with the previous one in mind. Isn't it the whole why forgetting wishes is tragic and not returning them is wrong stated in the movie ? (I don't think I'll watch it, crafting fanfictions around it feels better)
More like "Nah, THE MESSAGE" we must brainwash children to see truth are lies, war is peace
the biggest problem is they even didnt get that. thay dont realize that the more money grabbing you make the movie the less money it will make because people can see right through that these days and also it results in bad storytelling = bad reviews = less tickets sold = less money
I believe the film you are thinking of is Snow White.
They aren't going to bother making another masterpiece.
My favorite part was when the queen and the one side-character read the evil curse magic book and figure out if you interact with this stuff once you are pretty much evil and cursed forever. Luckily the queen had some anti-evil-curse-magic oil they put on their hands BEFORE reading the book and figuring out that after interacting with this stuff once you are evil and cursed forever. Of course the queen never told her husband about the anit-evil-curse-magic oil because she just loves him so very much and is a good person.
I know, right? Everything with the queen in the latter half of the movie is completely wild. How did they manage to bungle her characterization so hard? She should have at the very least been one of the few people who wanted to reform him at the very end but nope, just smugly sends him to the dungeon forever cause the writers decided to arbitrarily say there's no hope for him oh well to bad so sad. Really dumb stuff overall.
It sounds like the queen is supposed to be maleficent or maybe the evil fairy god mother
wait.....
@@tsukasa67 The smug part is so accurate and probably what really made me hate her guts at that point.
@@thibautisserant the smug part pisses me off cus that characterization for her comes completely out of NOWHERE. like they do this with Hans to. like reducing them to jokes and punching bags while everyone acts all smug about it like... idk its weird and the joke gets old real fast
Glad you brought up the mathematics too.
I remember watching the moment in theaters when Asha is like “Most of these wishes will never be granted?” 😨
And I turned to my friend like “He does one a month and there’s like hundreds there, wasn’t that obvious?”
Me, the king's mathematician: Yeah so if we have more than 12 babies / immigrants in a year, then yes, we will have more wishes coming in on 18th birthdays than we can grant on a once-a-month basis. You could move your wish up in the line by purchasing Wish coins to unlock wish loot boxes that might have a redeemable ticket inside them!
Yes, and even though kids' movies get a bit more leeway in suspension of disbelief, this is the kind of plot hole that a child would catch and be bothered by. It boggles the mind that Disney thought that they'd not only make this a plot point, but that they'd make it the central one in a film meant to celebrate their 100th anniversary.
I haven't seen the film, but I was thinking that as Ryan was showing the scene where Asha is looking at all the wishes, and I felt super validated when Ryan said it right afterwards 😂
The frustrating thing is, I feel like there's the genesis of a decent plot. Like I understand being uncomfortable with the idea of this one guy being the arbiter of everybody's wishes, because even if he's doing a good job, why does he get to choose which ones to grant/not grant? Maybe she could have found out that he does something dark and nefarious with the wishes he never grants...
With the way Ryan described the plot, it sounded like he was a decent enough king who randomly turned super evil and then was trapped in a mirror.
@@BlackFiresong seen the film (work reasons, not a great time) and the king is super on the level. it is UP FRONT with the whole "you give him your wishes willingly, he does not take them by force nor even shown to be capable of taking them by force, it does not hurt, you WILL forget your wish, and there is a chance every so often that he will grant you your wish in a ceremony" this is told, BY THE MAIN CHARACTER to people coming to visit the kingdom to see if they want to move there. and is only referenced as a good thing.
and he doesnt grant all the peoples wishes cause they're either super vague (inspiring people for example. "inspire what? to become a mob? to destroy Rozes?" which HAPPENS IN THE FILM SO HE WAS RIGHT. wrong person, BUT HE WAS RIGHT) or unfeasable, like one woman wanted to fly in the sky like peter pan does, i can understand him looking at that and being like "..... the fck, how i do with this?" as he himself is never shown to fly so i am okay with the idea he cant make people defy gravity on a whim. the star can do it, but thats a living mcguffin, so i dont count it.
he became evil because he looked into a evil book for answers on what the falling star was cause he had no idea how dangerous it was, if it was going to put the wishes in danger or whatever else (and also he was being rash cause he asked the citizens for help, ie info, and they demanded another wish granting party to put them at ease and bombarded him with questions even when he was obviously getting frustrated. resulting in the "the thanks i get" song. which i liked actually) the book then made him go insane cause evil magic book do that....
..... sorry for the long comment but after starting it becomes hard to stop to really hammer home how while he was certainly a narccisist and selfish (he protects the wishes more for himself than the people, but he does grant them and he did build a whole country where everyone thrives. with no taxes apparently. and anyone can do basically anything they want to do. like seriously it's a utopia. and it's hinted he has infact fought off armies to protect the place before as well) he was 100% a good guy at the start.
@@godsplayingfield Can understand your frustration! Also, thanks for the long explanation - I enjoyed reading your comment ❤️ If they wanted to make the guy a villain, they really should have tweaked the premise to make him actually villainous... From your explanation, he just sounds like a decent dude who tragically got taken in by an evil book and ended up trapped in a mirror for all eternity. It's like when Jafar got trapped in the lamp, except way less earned/deserved!
The instant the star thing popped up on screen, I knew Ryan was about to call it a "merchandising opportunity". It was just instantly recognisable as such.
"so then Asha goes out side to wish on a star, and the Carl's Jr's mascot shows up, so she and her little talking goat friend go for burgers!"
Suprised Nintendo has not tried to sue them for using an obvious Luma rip-off
It literally looks like a stress ball you would get from the bank!
@@TheGodlikeDragon same. But I suppose Nintendo has been a bit insular for a while so they might have just not noticed and it might be too late to sue now.
The fact that modern Hollywood keeps making villains that are more reasonable then the hero's really says something about the people who control Hollywood.
@@amalekedomite Jews aren't the problem. It's a mind virus called Wokeism with branches like D.E.I. and third wave feminism.
jewish people, *cough cough* jewish people.
Killmonger 101
@@elmaster27428 Killmonger's a great example and T'Challa ended up doing pretty much what Killmonger wanted anyway, so there really should have been some kind of negotiation there. Loki was (Initially) just trying to postpone a self centered moron from becoming king. Zemo was trying to hold superheroes and world leaders accountable for their misdeeds. Vulture was trying to save his business from Stark's monopoly. The MCU's got quite a few villains who made good points.
Lol
What a perfect way to summarize 100 years of Disney.
Taking anything remotely interesting and stripping away any nuance or fun until all that’s left is “product.”
This comment sounds good, but absolutely not true, there are INCREDIBLE Disney Movies, such as Wreck-it Ralph, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, The Princess and the Frog... etc. etc.
A Shitton of awesome Disney films.
So yeah, people will mindlessly like your comment, and it is true to some movies, but there are brilliant movies made by Disney, so...
Please. Think for yourself before liking a populist.
@@Szokynyovics Speaking of thinking. Go read on Disney and copyright and all the other evil shit they've done throughout the years. Then, stop thinking they're good just because you like what they make.
@@Szokynyovics Why the fuck is it that almost every time I hear "think for yourself" it's from what many would call a "clever idiot"?
@@Szokynyovics You know what those movies have in common? They all came out a decade or more ago. The last five years in particular have been absolutely shameful for Disney. Their live-action remakes alone should tell you what their priorities are these days.
OH NO MEGACORP IS EVIL AAAAAAAAAAA @@LyaksandraB
Thank you Ryan for watching this movie so I didn't have to. I'm certain your 5 minute synopsis was far more entertaining than it would have been.
Honestly this is my approach to just about all movies nowadays. I haven't watched a single Marvel movie/show past Endgame and the Pitch Meetings are a huge part of why I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.
You're welcome, bud
@@JohnnyJohnny-f5obitch, ain't nobody talking to you
Relatable. :)
also those outros XD
When the villain was defeated by singing, I has a feeling that would be the "Super easy, barely an inconvenience" moment.
George has to keep us on our toes!
Expectations subverted
I was instantly glad I didn't watch the movie as soon as I heard that the climax was a "super easy, barely an inconvenience" moment😂
Remember when the TMNT beat Shredder with a guitar riff? That movie came out 32 years ago and it was stupid then. Haven't seen Wish, but I imagine it makes even less sense.
I now think that during almost everymovie i watch😅 the cultural impact of Pitch meeting😂
Honestly, all we needed was Magnifico getting a redemption arc. He was clearly a good king before the movie started, albeit overly cautious about the wishes... and you could use Disney logic to say that the magic corrupted him (or maybe make the book the big-bad, like an evil spirit in the book that's slowly taking over him or something).
Either that, or make him 100% full villain and have him stealing wish-power from the start of the movie so that we really unambiguously see that he's a bad character who is irredeemable.
Magnifico in this movie was in this wishy-washy middle, where he's not quite likable enough to form the basis of a tragedy, but not quite hated enough to serve as a villain.
You don’t even need him to be corrupted by dark magic. Having him be corrupted by his paranoia over granting the wrong wishes would be enough.
The concept art reveals a sweet love story and an epic vilain power couple. They reduced a "star-crossed" magical love-interest into a derpy blob that executives thought would sell toys. The real tragedy is we'll never know what the film could have been because there were too many executives in the kitchen taking a dump in the broth.
Same with Frozen. Elsa was supposed to be the villain, and Anna was supposed to get her heart frozen on purpose due to having her heart broken. Instead, we get a “twist” villain out of nowhere who does things counter to his goals (like stopping the guy who tries to shoot Elsa instead of just “trying” to.
@@evilsharkey8954 Also multiple plot holes, like why is this visiting prince from a completely different country in charge when the Queen and Princess is gone instead of, idk, the people who were running it for all those years between the parents' death and Elsa's coronation?
@@rebeccahicks2392 Yeah, it bothered me that they never even hinted at who was actually running the country before Elsa’s coronation. Was it a regent? Was it Elsa? The first time I saw it, I thought one of the unnamed men you see more than once was the temporary head of state.
yeah eff the star, Disney is sitting on cases and cases of Valentino merch it can't move in the parks- you'd think the little goat would at least be a big draw...
It wasn't executives meddling. It was activist diversity hires in the writer's room. The veteran writers couldn't get a word in, so they all quit.
Apparently, the star was initially a hunky magic-boy that served as a love interest for Asha, and that song between her and the king was, indeed, initially meant to be a love song between her and the star-boy.
Can't have a modern, quirky Disney heroine falling in love! /s
If they went with that, then they could of also tied up the loose end of having only 'one' person grant wishes, since it would be two of them.
@@akl2k7get the heck out of here with that plebbit "/s" nonsense.
@@thecommenterdude3995/calm down
@@thecommenterdude3995but seriously. Grow up lol.
I heard they originally planned on the king and queen both being evil, with Asha being their daughter. That would have been SO much more interesting. Plus Asha would actually be a Disney princess
It seems like they just rather keep adding references to other intellectual properties, than have any actual consequences.
Probably the only way you could make them evil too would be if they simply vetoed wishes that didn't benefit them, or only granted ones that did, something like that. No rational person could see the choice to simply not give everyone what they wanted as a bad let alone evil decision.
Asha was also going to fall in love with the Star Boy who had a design that tumblr sexy man fans would have loved. Makes the love song fit a lot better.
@@OriasRofocale But then she wouldn't have been this strong and independent woman.
Yeah, and have there being a PURPOSE from the start for stealing all the wishes. As it was, there was really no rationale given until the evil book.
This movie was just shoved together from so many pieces, and none of them fit. They shoehorned in so much, they split the shoe.
I haven’t seen WISH, but when Ryan said that the grandfather’s wish was to inspire people, the first thought that popped into my head was “Inspire whom to do what?” If I were Magnifico, there’s no way I would grant a wish so vague. I would need many, many more details before I even considered it.
Meanwhile, there’s a huge difference between wishes and goals. My father’s wish, for example, has always been to go to Hawaii. He’s wanted it ever since he was a child, but he’s in his sixties and it’s unfortunately never happened. His goals, on the other hand, have been to work hard and provide for our family. If Magnifico took people’s goals and made my father forget he had to provide for our family, that would actually cause problems. But taking people’s wishes and making my father forget he’s always wanted to go to Hawaii wouldn’t really have any negative impact at all. If anything, it would probably free my father of his disappointment over having never been.
The worst thing about the movie is that just before that scene there is a wish from someone who wants to be a great conqueror and it is highlighted as dangerous. Additionally, Magnifico, when he says that he is not going to fulfill the grandfather's wish, explains that it is very vague and that makes it potentially risky to fulfill it. The same movie tops off its flaws by having the supposed villain explain to you the bad idea of doing something without thinking about the consequences.
Other curiosities of the movie is that people even if they forget their desires, continue doing the things they like and are passionate about that are generally related to their desires, for example, the one who wants to have her clothing store was already a skilled seamstress and dressmaker before fulfilling it the desire.
Implied that many have already fulfilled their wishes on their own without having knowledge of this, having the added bonus of being fulfilled by magic if they are considered meritorious and good. Magnifico becomes evil because out of fear of the protagonist he gets involved with evil magic that corrupts him, and his fear is well consolidated because it is explained that he comes from a kingdom destroyed by war and that made him paranoid. A justified paranoia when this selfish teenager embarks on fulfill any desire that comes across, including the desire of those who want to conquer countries that were shown to us moments before.
@@leonardohidalgo5127 I read a theory from someone a while back that the reason why Magnifico becomes evil might have something to do with Asha's wish. We never hear what it is, but if it's "I want people to see how evil he is" that might turn him evil (and pretty much showcases why he's reluctant to grant just any wish).
I wish for your dad to be able to go to Hawaii someday :)
Well explained. This movie doesn’t really make sense when it comes to that.
Not everyone's wishes have the same weight. Something as simple as wanting to go to Hawaii is not everyone's wish. What about people who wish they could find the cure to cancer? Just because you know someone who's wish is to go to Hawaii, that means other people's wishes can't be grander?
I love that this movie’s conflict is literally “HOW DARE YOU!” Everyone’s comfortable and happy, but screw you for not giving them everything ever.”
Like a selfish child who cannot stand the word "no," this is a movie that favour this behaviour.
Eh, that's not really the case in the movie. The real problem isn't that the king isn't granting all the wishes, but that those who don't have their wishes granted have the central motivation of their life gone, and thus unable to even achieve it without magic. People are comfortable, but everyone in the movie who doesn't have their wish granted is basically depressed, going through the motions in life.
Mind you, this doesn't help with the "why doesn't anyone write their wishes down or tell anyone what their wish is" question, but you can attribute a lot of that to magic and/or the people being pretty naive and buying wholly into the system. It's not a GREAT movie, far from it, but the "the bad guy was right" argument doesn't really apply here.
but they know that they're going to forget and not everyone's wishes are granted and they still gave him their wishes willingly! I also think they can be able to live happily as they have been living fine for years@@EmperorSeth
@@EmperorSeththat is a terrible take. The king did not force anyone to do anything and did all the work for them . Anyone could just say no or leave. The people chose to give him the wish.
The idea of taking away their memory of the wish and making it impossible for people to work towards those wishes themselves is a very interesting idea. Shame the movie didn't realize it was interesting.
Thank you, Marvel/Disney, for the number of movies you've released lately. Not that I want to see them, but they give Ryan loads of material for his pitch meetings, and those I definitely want to see.
Just think about how much money it costs to produce a single AAA film these days, and realize how that's all being pissed away by poor quality filmmaking that just seeks to browbeat the audience with tonedeaf moral grandstanding, when it could probably be spent improving infrastructure, feeding the starving, providing affordable homes and care to the homeless, contributing towards a national medical care to diminish insurance costs, etc.
But nope, we need a movie where a man justifiably doesn't abuse his wish-granting powers and needs to be turned into a flimsy villain because an entitled diversity hire girl decided he was wrong.
His Disney pitch meetings are always my favorites. The Dumbo one was excellent & different & I had hoped that would open the door for some unique older type pitch meetings. Like the Wizard of Oz would be freaking fantastic!
Marvel has great stuff! Guardians of the Galaxy 3, She-Hulk, etc. Great humor mixed with emotions and real issues like sexism and animal abuse while still making it entertaining
They had a story in there and a good one. Could have continued with the king being right, Asher takes over, grants everyone's wishes, and things got outta hand. She see the problem, goes back to Magnifico (who's somehow imprisoned) and she apologise for her mistake which will show growth and also the disparity in wisdom between the young and the old (Asher and Magnifico). Magnifico tells her a story of why he doesn't grant everyone's wishes and not that he doesn't want to but because of what it had led to in the past. She gives him back his role and he helps fix things and at the end, she truly becomes his apprentice or knowing that she could handle it during the course of fixing things, Magnifico hands thing to Asher, so he can rest and enjoy the simple things of life with his wife.
There were so many ways to go to make this great...
That could be a nice allusion to the Sorcerer's Apprentice with Mickey, since they wanted to do all the nods and references to previous works.
they already made this movie , its called bruce all mighty
That was exactly what I was expecting...
Now, this actually sounds like a wonderful movie. This is how it should have been.
Disney hire them please 🙏🏿
It’s genuinely so impressive that one man and a green screen, with a prop pieces of paper can be so entertaining and accurate. He’s seriously talented isn’t he?
Absolutely
your perception is beyond sharp, only several million people figured that out already.
He is and he has this niche down tight, if I had a WISH, it would be that his creativity never drains.
@@s1nnocense Don't be mean to random people.
@@TheImapotato yup
What still baffles me is how Asha (without any prior knowledge of how wishes or magic works) went to be interviewed by the King for a position as his apprentice, but immediately accuses him of "stealing wishes" (when said wishes were clearly and willingly given to him) when her undeserved request gets denied due to the King's knowledge, wisdom, and expertise on the matter? Asha is the villain here, and her spoiled, immature outburst and false accusations are what caused the King to turn to dark magic.
Is this an allegory for millennials entering the workforce? Sure feels like it.
Agreed
That was my husband's take, and he explained this to me.
I honestly think that this is a better take on the movie. That Asha was the villain all along, but she doesn't realize it, and it's her inadvertent actions that directly cause the King to become evil.
I agree with you, except the King is responsible for his own actions; can’t blame Asha (I think?? Haven’t seen the movie!)
“It’s been a good century, we gobbled everything up!”
You sure did! And then took a nasty diarrhea shit over everything we once loved.
Oh, taking a nasty diarrhoea over everything people love is TIGHT!
Yes sir they did!
Every time I hear of a new project coming out, it’s like: “Oh my God! Stop already!”
It’s like we’re all shipwreck victims and we’re clinging to whatever entertainment we have left before that gets washed away too.
And then projectile vomited all over the shitty mess.
Warner Bros: Hold ma beer
Buys Discovery network and likely Paramount. And AT&T.
In this case, I’m perfectly fine watching the Pitch Meeting video in lieu of the actual movie
meh, I'm sure that at some point in the far off future I'll watch this movie on streaming on a boring afternoon, after remembering said movie exists.
I mean if youre not 9 years old why woild you lol
it's more fun to have seen the movie first to get the jokes of the pitch meeting
@@gracekim1998How about...no...
It's actually a pretty great movie, even for adults. I watched it twice. Once alone and with my husband. We both loved it, as did my daughter and her grandparents. And I'd watch it again. Can't go by the reviews, sometimes.
Magnifico could have easily had some arc like, "Do you know what an unfulfilled wish does to people? You could have an ideal or happy life, but you'll always be hung up on that one thing missing. The bulk of these wishes are just people wanting to be famous, or wealthy, or prettier, or more talented, almost always motivated out of jealousy toward someone else or discontent with their lot in life. I take away that wanting and leave them with contentment, even happiness. You want your wish granted? Make sure it it's worthy; something you'd still be willing to chase even without my blessing. Now, make friends with the door."
He only jumps to extremes about the dangers of vague wishes, but could have shared that wishes can come to represent regret and prevent one from living their life to the fullest.
There could have even been some sweet moment like, "Your grandfather inspired you, did he not?"
Yeah, the vague wishes bit doesn’t really work as an excuse for the king. He grants the wishes, so he can choose how they’re granted. He just has to grant them in a way that doesn’t cause problems (i.e. he grants a wish to inspire others via a hero moment as opposed to a bloody political revolution).
Better yet, if the wish is too vague, why not send for the person who wished for it and *ask them for clarification?* Helping his citizens articulate their wants better would be exclusively beneficial.
I had the same point, the villain was basically curing people's depression in most cases with the wishes he was making them forget. Also possibly turning those people into better versions of themselves.
These points really could have been better explored in the movie it just seemed like they were too lazy to do so. The whole evilness of the villain seemed so forced.
@@thechunkmaster8794 He possesses the very essence of the wish though. I'd wager the implication is meant to be that the person themselves doesn't know or perhaps doesn't care.
An easy example would be someone who only wants to become rich. You can imagine all the dark and evil ways one might accomplish this goal. You wouldn't want to put your power behind such a blind ambition.
Likewise, the grandfather only wanted to inspire people or something, but the very essence of his wish didn't necessarily care how. Did he want to inspire people to be better or did he just want to be famous?
@@silverblade357 Assuming that is true, you expect me to believe that Magnifico, an experienced wish-granting sorcerer, is not capable of thinking critically and granting a version of the wish that does _not_ lead to ruin?
@thechunkmaster8794 Because it is his power being used to make that wish happen, and any unforeseen consequences of the granted wish would fall on him. Why are people entitled to have their wishes granted at no cost or effort to them?
It baffles me how they didn‘t make their 100 year celebration movie about Mickey Mouse, especially given that next year the copyright to the original Mickey short, steam boat willy, will go to the Public Domain.
Because it's awful?
I have seen a pitch for Wish to be a Fantasia prequel which I liked, with Mickey wanting to become the apprentice of the wizard, and the wizard collecting wishes because using his powers and the powers of the wishes he keeps Charnabog (that devil figure from Fantasia) sealed. And then the story would be about Chernabog tempting Mickey with power and tuff. That picth sounded a whole lot more interesting than what we got.
They did do a short called Once Upon a Studio.
They should have made a Walt Disney Biopic
her cute animal side-kick could have been a mouse as well, to go with the mickey muse theme.
Fun fact: At All Costs WAS originally suppose to be a love song between Asha and a star boy. So yeah, the star was originally going to be a star boy who becomes Asha’s love interest and the king and queen were suppose to be an evil duo. It’s a shame because that would’ve been fun. But Disney is scared of love stories now and writing uniquely intimidating villains like Frollo.
Put a diverse chic in it and make her gay and lame. That's the Disney way. Imagine thinking you'd get boy/girl love story in 2023.
I’m guessing there was a lot of internal anger over a female character and a star “boy” having love interests. Clearly the star would have been stalking her if it were a male.
@@samblack5313 because you can’t have love stories without the toxic, stalkerish mindsets when so many healthy, beautiful relationships have been written.
Not anymore. A male having interest in a female is antisocial behaviour.
It striked me as way too intimate on the first hearing so I wasn't surprised to learn that it was actually meant to be a romantic song
The King sounds like a totally nice guy. Granting 12 wishes a year is a pretty great thing to do compared to let's say...ruling with an iron fist and killing everyone who opposes him even a little. His subjects sound like a bunch of entitled pricks. "He doesn't grant all our wishes all the time, let's banish him into a mirror for the rest of eternity."
Yeah I think the only messed up part of it is that once they give him their wishes they completely forget what they wished for.
A couple of other reviewers also pointed out there is a film called "Bruce Almighty", where a person plays God for one day, and the problems caused by granting every bodies wish.
And he even lets them forget their wishes! So they can't possibly be disappointed cause they literally don't know what they're missing!
@@islasullivan3463 I think it's probably better, but it really would need to be part of the mechanisms involved--and possibly even show it to occasionally be beneficial. (Maybe have somebody getting the chance to see what their wish is--maybe if you ask politely, you can?--and just going "...can you please drop this down a well?" You don't have to show just what was the wish they now think is absolutely messed up, just...they don't want it.)
Not to mention he doesn't seem to taxate his people
The more I think about this plot the more I think about the kind of wishes I would make when I was 18. I can't imagine any of those wishes ought to come true.
Yeah, the realization the past you was kind of cringe and that the things you believed and wanted would have made the world or at least your life measurably worse. And because you were so cringe and weak none of the things you wanted actually didn't happen, Thank God.
Been there; done that, to man. Shows how much you have grown as a person to admit that.
When the made up executives look smarter than the actual executives
True
Wish honestly seems like it was written in a week. Like some underpaid and overworked writer was given a week to write a first draft, and every day an executive ordered them to add something to it (like the ending tie-ins) with no regard for what the story actually was. So in the end we got a half-baked script with a few interesting ideas that are never explored and a bunch of random Disney anniversary crap that doesn’t mesh with the story at all.
more realistically some AI trained on the disney vault.
"Also the king has a backstory about making sure no one suffers anymore by building Rosas and making sure they're happy. "
"Doesn't that make him a good guy?"
"Yup."
"But he's the bad guy?"
"Yup. So..."
I had a pair of free tickets so I took my 7 year old daughter to this movie and even she was like "so they beat him by singing a song?" I've never been prouder of her for noticing the bullshit.
OMG. she's so smart 😂
Totally happened.
It is kinda funny that king magnifico on the beggining have a point. You can't really guaranted everyone wish. The economy would colapse, many people would wish to be king or to just destroy other people's wish. And then disney turned him in a generic villain.
It is like saying people who use logical points are bad and you can only trust people who are willing to give you everything, "wink wink."
White man bad!
Its like in Bruce Allmighty when Jim Carrey just granted "everyone's prayers"
But see, that's what Disney fans were begging for - a generic "classic" villain rather than a twist villain (Frozen), no villain just someone misguided (Moana, Encanto), etc. Talk about be careful what you wish for, am I right?
Imagine if Wish was actually about walking that line between giving people what they want while accepting that some people's wants just aren't good. *_That_* would be an actually subversive approach that has something meaningful to say while still being built on the original Disney productions. She comes into it believing that everyone's wishes should just be granted and thinking he's evil for not doing that, and at first she's painted in the right but then slowly it's revealed she's actually quite wrong until in the climax Magnifico literally just has to ask "Wait... do you even know what people were wishing for?" and pulls down a few magic wish snow globes of the city on fire, authoritarian dictators, complete anarchy, etc. Ultimately culminating in "people are young, they're angry, they lash out, they want what's best for themselves and, yes, a few genuinely want and aspire to good aspirational things; those wishes I can typically grant, although not always. People are never forced to stay here, visitors can come and go freely, and people choose to stay here because it's better."
Maybe finally ending on a sort of vague middleground while instant granting of wishes is still fairly rare, they start a program or something to help people achieve their own wishes at a higher rate.
Sort of taking a split idealist and realist philosophy a bit like MHA does with heroism. ( *_especially_* in the later seasons )
I haven't seen the movie and I feel really bad for Magnifico. Dude was just doing what needed to be done and the protag ends up doing exactly what he was doing anyway? What?
If you've ever seen the musical Parody of Aladdin, "Twisted", Wish feels like the fake story that's told at the end.
Reminds me of that god awful line from Batwoman where she said Batman's costume is perfect when it fits a woman
Yes but if you've noticed, she's a woman, he's a man and as we all know by Hollywood Law, women can do no wrong~
It's just like real life :)
@aeroga2383 The same thing he was doing but worse. Under his system, people either got what they wanted or they stopped wanting something they couldn't have. Under Asha's system, people either get why they want or they don't. They continue wanting. They feel deprived. They know Asha is picking winners and losers.
“It's been a good century, we gobbled everything up!” is sending me
This is actually a clever allegory for Disney. A king (Disney himself) that made people's dreams come true at the cost of your unique imagining of those depicted fantasies. Compared to the current Disney were their modern attempts at mass market appeal come off as soulless with the only memory of what was at their height. With the mirror showing their caged past rather than the real ugly being they've become.
This is very cool comment
Deep
Magnifico = Disney
Asha = Woke Culture
Walt Disney or the company itself? The pronouns confused me
@@zaramel4694 the company I'm pretty sure
Didn't Wonder Woman '84 pretty much show the dangers in granting everyone's wishes?
There's also the fact that some people's wishes will be mutually exclusive.
Bruce Almighty did that too.
You know you have a stinker when WW84 is lecturing you
I don't think people in Hollywood know what a paradox is .
You're not supposed to think about it! Just blindly accept what's being spoon fed to you no questions asked.
It's been a plot in fiction and philosophy for thousands of years.
The whole “figuring it out mathematically” thing is by far the funniest part of this movie to me
Like, the king makes it a public event which wishes he grants and yet Asha is like “so most of these wishes will never be granted?” Like it’s some sort of profound statement/discovery 😂😂
That's what happens when you let AI write your script and don't edit it.
Nah, AI would’ve done a better job aping Disney’s style.
@@everynametaken No, it wouldn't. I used to use ChatGPT for beta-reading, proofreading, and editing, but for the last 6 months it's been getting dumber and dumber.
I started watching the movie and gave up right before this scene. Never felt better about a decision.
Speaking of Zootopia, I’d love to see a pitch meeting for that one 😄
I await for Zootopia 2... forever
"So, you know how people oddly like furry female bunnies?"
"Uh-huh."
"And people also have a fetish for women in uniform?"
"With you so far..."
"What if we combined the two, and made a furry female cop bunny."
"Oh, a furry female cop bunny is tight!"
"Ohhh, my God."
I'm still waiting for the buddy-cop sequel movie!
@@anthonywynn1812"What a fox"
"Oh, throw one of those in there"
I love Zootopia. Probably the best "cartoon animal" movie for how much thought went into making the society make sense.
The kicker is the reason people come to this kingdom is they know they can’t get their wishes through working for them so they come to ask the king for their wish to be granted, and he lets them live there on condition they give him their impossible wish and maybe he grants it someday. So if they win the lottery they get something they could never have gotten, and if they lose they don’t remember the impossible wish that was making them miserable enough that they came to this kingdom in the first place. Meaning even if the king doesn’t grant their wish they are objectively better off than if they still remembered their wish.
I truly hope they make a sequel to Wish, about the dystopian disastrous situation that comes with granting everyone's wishes--and the nightmare unleashed when a young, immature girl is given that power when they've imprisoned the men who speak out for moderation and reason.
Love how the main character doesn't question how her relative's wish makes no sense, or rather it's not what he claims. He wants to "inspire" people. However, if his wish gets granted is the magic doing the actual work to provide inspiration, he is doing nothing but reaping the benefits. So he doesn't want to inspire, he wants to be revered.
There is also the fact that the kingdom is supposed to be safe and prosperous, meaning that likely a lot of wishes are subtly being granted without magic (a happy home, a long and comfortable life...). And there is the fact that some wishes can't be achieved without controlling the actions of others (the "inspire people" mentioned above is already borderline, but consider wanting to be loved, or loved by a specific person). There are so many interesting way to face a similar story.
And there is the soulless cashgrab.
Like if everyone wished to be rich the economy would collapse, or if someone wished for loads of food it would have to come from someone elses plate. What if someone wished to be popular with all the ladies or that someone in particular would love them, does that mean the wish is exerting a negative controlling influence on others? 'I want to be a monster slayer' well there first has to be monsters to slay created.
@@watcherzero5256 the first would just flat-out not work, rich is a relative concept, not absolute.
The food one might at least be created from nothing (it's magic, it might work), but you aren't rich because of how much you have, but because you have more than others.
There are just so many interesting discussions to be made, and all are avoided, at its core because the movie doesn't have any idea what the wish-granting is supposed to be (are the people making a wish cutting corners or are they taken from them to keep them in check? Are the citizens greedy for asking Magnifico to use his powers with no regard for the work it takes on his part and gratitude for it or is him stingy and lording over a resource that's supposed to be free?) and the movie just jumps between those according to what the plot needs with no consistency.
I heard a good criticism of it where it was pointed out the movie seems to confuse wishes with dreams, as in aspirations or life goals.
@@beerosaurusrex ok, this. This is a perfect and concise explanation of what they are getting wrong.
@@themantyf1116Yes, but not all of the wishes will be for money. So, you will have some people who keep the status quo, and the others will be desperately poor.
And "Inspire others" is just so vague it can literally be called evil. After all, giving inspiration to a serial killer is precisely one of the effects it will have as stated.
One way I think they could have made this film interesting is that maybe they could have made the king a fake out villain. Like maybe have the king appear to be the villain, and then introduce a new character that "helps" Asha defeat the king, only for the new character to reveal that they were tricking Asha so that they could fulfil their evil wish, thus putting into question whether or not the kings actions were truly wrong.
I had a similar thought and then read your comment! Yes I concur, that would be way better
@@lighthouse_23_ What, the plot-twist treator that we all thought was a friend ? I agree it's still an upgrade regarding Wish standards, but still.
But people are sick of twist villains, so a good twist villain would’ t work.
@@austinreed7343 not necessarily. People are mainly sick of bad surprise villans. Characters that are good but then are revealed to be bad out of nowhere, even if it doesn't make sense.
@@nightwolf89 That's a conclusion I often see, "people aren't sick of [something], they're just sick of [something] done bad". I'm gonna sound very sarcastic, but is "actually, when it's done well, it's good" a ground-breaking statement ? X)
I haven't even seen this movie, but so many people have been talking about how the king is not really a villain and I already agree. He actually sounds like a great guy who's only possible flaw is that you'll forget your wish after you give it to him. However, he's using his magic really selflessly by granting so many wishes and maybe he believes that the best thing he can do for people whose wishes he can't or won't grant is to make them forget so they're not pining after an impossible dream. Also, if you had to forget your wish to have it possibly be granted, I think most people would agree without hesitation.
There are movies where you go, "I have questions," and then there are movies where you go, "How is it that none of the people who MADE this movie had questions?!"
This. This is why I'm so interested in bad movie reviews.
"hey-shutup"
Agreed. 😂
2:11 “…and it’s just the cutest little merchandising opportunity.”
I like how that’s also a catchphrase for a few of these animated movie pitch meetings.
followed up with "can w e get Alan Tudyk in this? or Aquafina?! people love those two!"
Ironically, a shirt with “It’s just the cutest little merchandising opportunity” would go hard.
YES!
Merchandising opportunities are tight
@@onlinealiasuk Wow wow wow wow
...
wow!
I'll pay for that
That sounds like the best merchandising opportunity I've ever heard
1:04 fun fact: this was a love song, the original concept about the star is that he would be come human and Asha and Starboy would fall in love, like Beauty and the Beast.
This movie was definitely a celebration.. of all the things wrong with some Disney movies over the last 100 years.
* Generic storyline
* Protagonist who is absolutely right just because she says so
* "Villain" who is absolutely wrong because the protagonist says so
* Uninteresting side characters/merchandising opportunities
strong black female lead fighting against the white corrupt patriachy
Since Asha is able to go off by herself and make a wish, summoning the Star, which then proceeds to unleash chaos (turning every animal, plant, or fungus it touches into a singing/talking person and destabilizing the kingdom), and she is not portrayed as having any magical ability or training previously, it seems that in the "Wish" universe, any random person can make Wishes that come true if they're near 18 or older. Well, maybe they have to sing it out as a musical number?
At any rate, King Magnifico was apparently able to create a peaceful, prosperous kingdom with stable physics by extracting and storing people's Wishes (one per person?), and regulating which ones are granted. We can only wonder what kind of mess the rest of the world must be in, but that would explain why refugees were fleeing to Rosas to begin with.
f*ck, and we're worried about kids getting ahold of guns and drugs- the real message here is- keep em away from wishing stars!! lol
hmmm. hmmm. true.
I just hate that this entire conflict apparently starts with a disagreement on who decides what wishes get granted or not. Like, my gal, the one with the ability gets to decide what they use that ability for. Even if you disregard all the possible reasons as to why you shouldn't grant all wishes, it's still a no-brainer, really.
True, he have the power and willingly use it to help people, an alternative is nobody gets their wish granted.
The fact people even get their wishes granted is something amazing.
loved this pitch meeting. The most disappointing part for me about the movie (besides throwing out that concept with the star boy love interest) was that they pretended like Magnifico was an irredeemable fully evil villain, when he yet was only a concerned ruler of a flourishing kingdom, that liked to hear himself talk. I liked that you mentioned how absurd his "arc" played out and especially the role his WIVE had in it.
Like in the first half of the movie they seem truly in love. We literally SEE and HEAR about that Magnifico truly cares for the citizens of his kingdom and that he loves his wive. If they needed to include "At all Costs" in this movie (which is a beautiful song, just not fitting for where they put it) and let Magnifico sing about how he wants to PROTECT the wishes of his people at all costs and that he (a hundred times again) CARES for them, then the creators gotta recognize that as the condition of him being actually redeemable.
He only used the dark magic after his concerns had grown so big that he decided it was the only opportunity to save his kingdom from whatever threat was currently occuring. His wive did not want him to use the dark magic and seemed really worried about him and at first he listened (which shows that he has not only love but respect for her), but when he decided things became too dangerous ... well ... as he SAID IN THE FRIKIN SONG: "desperate times call for desperate meassures"
It makes absolutely ZERO SENSE, that the queen did not even have the IDEA to try and help Magnifico become normal again... But the movie clarified that even if she would have tried it would be impossible because... hmm why? Oh yeah - the laziest damn excuse in cinema history: The magic evil book says he can't turn good again
That's it. Like. What? Yeah it just not possible once he is possesed by the dark magic. Like??????
Okay damn that was a long comment.
All in all the movie was a huge disappointment to me. I liked the overall music very much but the soundtrack clearly was written for a different movie. The visuals were a nice touch for an actual anniversary. Ofc Disney did not have the guts to go full 2D, but I liked the art style as a concept with the watercolor-look-alike backgrounds and so on. But the story and the characters? Man... It could have been so so much better but it just wasn't...
The Queen definitely acted very mixed towards the book. Like the book promises unlimited power and you can't be defeated and nothing will happen to you, and she doesn't trust it one bit. But the book says you can't reverse the effect of the book, and she trusts it instantly?
@storyxobssesedxnerd Given what we know of Magnifico's personality and how much he cares for an wants to protect people (which is what got him corrupted), you I can say with 100% certainty that, if the roles were reversed, and his wife became corrupted and trapped in the mirror, he would move heaven and earth to save her. It's sad when the villain is the least evil and most noble person in the movie.
Wait, the king let everyone stay there rent free? For a king that's incredibly decent.
I am amazed his country isn't flooded with people who want in. Just being a citizen will fulfill the wishes of many that they not have to pay rent (without having to live in the wilderness with no amenities). I suspect a writer self insert here.
A kingdom without taxes and has decent amenities, who cares if your wish might not be granted
@@potatoheadpokemario1931 Not only that, but it's peaceful, disease-free, and everyone lives happily... Asha ruins it for everyone lol
I'm now very curious how he manages to run a country with no taxes. Do they just have some super-profitable exports or something?
@@jeffbenton6183Someone wished for a kingdom with no taxes. Done. Magic. Don’t explain magic, because that’s boring.
Disney is so out of touch and the writers are so insane that the character that is supposed to be the bad guy is actually reasonable and has good motivations, and the character that is supposed to be the hero is actually a villain that wants to ruin a kingdom where everybody is happy just because she's selfish, entitled, and can't think of the implications of her actions for more than five seconds.
So the writers are just self inserting themselves into the Asha's main character!
It all started with “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”.
"I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that." -Disney, probably
but that is exactly how the current culture is today....If someone may get hurt in anyway in the moment then it must be called raci...lol and be bad....Not a single thought towards the actual long term ramifications and the fact that doing such impulsive things ithout any real thought or logic often creates far dyer consequences for everyone involved in the future.
But that requires thought....we dont do that today....thought triggers young people.
Is the hero supposed to be based on AOC? Kind of sounds like it.
Soon Ryan will be Disney's only source of revenue as he goes to watch their movies to give us those awesome pitch meetings 😂
We can only hope.
Some of their latest projects are surely propped up by just how profitable it is... to hate-watch their shitty content and rant about it online.
i really hope that he pirated this film
SPOILERS:
I think one of the movie's biggest sins is, it doesn't let us know WHAT Asha's mother's wish was. So when Magnifico destroys it, it doesn't leave an emotional impact because we never know if the wish was something personal or precious. Like, did she wish she could see her late husband once more? Does she want her daughter to be safe? Is it to remember her late mother's face after so many years? For all we know, it was something petty, like having her favorite snack. Without context, there's no high stakes in losing that one wish.
Plot twist: Her wish was for her wish to get destroyed. So did Magnifico destroy it, or grant it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
It was something about her daughter being happy...kind of a waste of a wish.
What you've just done is perfectly outline the difference between some random Joe who puts words on paper, and a proper writer who understands how to tell a story. Unfortunately Hollywood is populated almost entirely of Joes
Plot twist: her wish really was to have her favorite snack again because they stopped making it when she was a teenager and she never forgot the taste. Fuck it, am I right?
Maybe her wish is just a new vacuum cleaner or a sandwich ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh, yay! Watching a new pitch meeting instead of seeing the actual movie is tight! Understanding this will be super easy, barely an inconvenience!
1:14 “that’s a love song!”
Imagine how interesting a dynamic it could be if Asha had a crush on the king, and was trying desperately to see everything about him as perfect, but her friends were the ones who discovered he was evil. The moral could’ve been something about how you should trust your long term friends over the whims of your heart. Plus, the crush would make an excuse for her to be really dedicated to becoming the king’s apprentice
Typical Disney, the songs were written way before the script was, in the early days that is- they flipped the script and the concept for this movie a few times, but kept the songs. You just can't plug old songs like that into a new movie..
I think you just made a movie metaphor concept out of what happens to child actors at Disney.
So people didn’t watch the movie. The song was used to show how obsessed the king was towards the wishes. It was a love song. A song towards the wishes of
@@Ked7 Stop giving this company money, you sad little sheepy shill.
Oh, yeah, that's Anna from Frozen.
The best hypothesis I've seen (outside of simple incompetence top to bottom) is that this was going to be a very different movie (for one, the king and queen were going to be an Evil Power Couple), but a bunch of executive meddling and a half rewritten script left scattered bits from multiple drafts muddled in the final product and an incoherent conflict.
It feels like they tried to write something using majority AI
At least one of the songs was written before the screenwriter was even brought in. Probably explains the awkward love duet to the "wishes" and the somewhat generic lyrics for This Wish.
I mean it is fairly often executive meddling, so it seems plausible.
The woke producers wanted an anti straight male angle to the story. 😜
@@joeshmoe9978excelt Asha isnt gay so it cant be anti straight anything, thats jut how writing works. especially when she was intended to have her own male love interest. and the other straight couples who are good guys (literally asha's parents are implied to be loving) if it was anti straight or whatever itd emohasize heavily on gayness it doesnt. at all. there are no gay characters in this movie.
theres legit issues with this movie and you lot just be makig shit up cus people exist iny our heads rent free and youre paranoid 24/7
Love how no one ever asked the person who gave their wish to the king what their wish was.
"Hey what did you wish for?"
"I have no idea"
I mean, they no going into it that they're gonna forget their wish immediately.
I wished someone gave those people basic math.
Also, if the wish you make is something you then forget about, wouldn’t people regularly give him their worst, deepest, creepiest desires to rid themselves of them?
That might explain why he doesn't grant many; he probably sorts through the pile to try and only grant benign wishes or wishes that don't hurt anyone.
Congratulations, in 30 seconds you put more thought into how this would work than writers who spend 3 months on it.
@@abduljah9355 He says he only grants wishes that benefit the kingdom, which is meant by the writers to be understood as only granting wishes that benefit him, but... he's king. To a large degree his prosperity and the kingdoms are intertwined, and it's otherwise shown to be a great place with no rent, so...
Or better yet, make your wish "I wish to forget" and then add in anything you don't want to remember anymore.
You get your wish given to you right away :D
@@abduljah9355 Yeah, he mentions that in the movie. He doesn't grant wishes that may potentially harm the kingdom or have unforeseen/unknown consequences. Basically a man who has virtually unlimited power and is using it as responsibly as possible...so clearly he's evil and needs to be destroyed.
Now that I’ve heard the plot, I am convinced that Disney fed all of its films into a computer and had AI spit out a script.
This is the most likely scenario. They probably did most of this during the writers strike and hoped for the best.
Honestly I didn't even know it was in theaters. I thought it was straight to streaming content.
Literally, this is what I think happened. "Prompt: Write a movie with "wish" as the core theme and incorporate as many Disney aspects as possible." I came away with the exact same thought.
Nah, if they did the plot would probably be better
@@NONO-hz4vothe writers strike was this year.
This was likely in the pipeline for 2-3 years before it got onto film.
AI gives logical results to questions and tasks. You would have to break it for it to spew this trash of a script.
As someone who saw Wish in theaters, I can confirm that it was worse than this Pitch Meeting makes it sound. Especially because Disney hyped it up so much, and instead of making a certified classic that showcased their storytelling and technical prowess developed over 100 years, they just slapped a grainy filter over a cookie-cutter film and called it a day.
I avoided this one based on the plot rundown and the icky look and song previews, and then was amazed to find that Wonka seems to be doing a better job at being a Disney-style fantasy musical!
At least the animation is cool and unique
@@roristevens2810I saw Wonka as well as Wish (hmmm...they are both one-word titles starting with the letter "W"...), and I can confidently state that Wonka was at least entertaining while I was watching it, while Wish actually bored me (and I was watching Wish in 3D!). I have a lot of problems with Wonka, but they pale in comparison to the problems with Wish. And I agree, the songs in Wonka are much, much more "Disney" than the songs in Wish. 😊
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 I dunno...they didn't go all the way with it. It kinda feels like they put a filter over the film, instead of committing to the style like in Across the Spider-verse. To be honest, the only reason I'm complaining about the animation is because how huge Wish's budget was. With that much money, it should look A LOT better than it does.
I caught the first mantinee showing which was in 3D, and the character movement was so jerky and distracting. Maybe it will be more tolerable on a smaller screen.
Wonder Woman 1984: "People only make selfish wishes and no one's wishes should be granted"
Wish: "People never make selfish wishes and everyone's wishes should be granted"
And Bruce Almighty handled it better than both 20 years ago.
So yeah, Asha knows that. I don't know why people act like she didn't explicitly stated it in the trailers, (something like "if a wish is bad it shouldn't be granted, but if it's not dangerous etc.") it's not like it's the only thing we can complain about in this movie.
And coincidentally, Chris Pine is on both of that movies
@@margarethmichelina5146 AND he's the best part of both movies.
I feel like Wonder Woman 1984 was a lot better of a movie then people gave it credit.
My family watched the movie cause my five-year-old niece was super hyped to see it.
All these questions and more, like "How do animals in the forest know what star matter is made of and atomic processes?", "Didn't Asha want to save ALL of the Wishes when she snuck into the castle?", and "Wait, how old exactly is Asha's mom if her grandfather, NOT great-grandfather, is 100 years old?" have been flitting through my mind ever since.
When Asha was born, he was 83 years old (assuming I wasn't lied to). If her mother gave birth ~30 then he just needed a fertile wife and the ability to get it up to have had a kid at like 50
you must be going through a really good stable time in your life to be able to think about these kinds of things.
@@timbradshaw5481 It's called just watching a movie that is poorly written, poorly made, and has a ton of holes or poorly conceived ideas. I do envy people to an extent though, like you perhaps, who can just not think about anything they watch and just consume product blindly without a single question crossing their mind as to the merits of the work.
@@timbradshaw5481
If only we could be as pious as you
@@beerosaurusrex I can't watch things blindly. I have to pay attention. I wasn't insulting him/her, I was just saying what is likely true. Imagine going through a divorce, or losing your kids in a custody battle, or struggling with your job, and then thinking deeply about the flaws of a disney movie.
It's not going to happen is it? So the writer of this comment is likely having a stable period with no major issues and therefore was able to put time and effort into thinking about the flaws of this movie.
It’s funny that the concept of the movie seems more interesting with having the main character be the daughter of the king and both the king and queen are evil
Yeah, and it was supposed to be a love story between the main character and the star, which was humanoid (explains the love song). Can't have modern Disney heroines have romance!
What you suggested was exactly the early draft, according to rumour.
Why did they change it…? Maybe they can’t have a woman be evil? Maybe they want the evil one to be white, and the good one not (and they can’t have adoption in *every* story)? Maybe… More and more it’s hard to deny that story takes 2nd place to _message_
I appreciate Pitch Meeting making me aware of all of the movies I have never heard of so I know that Disney is still boring. Thanks Ryan!
Person: Creates a happy, free city and even grants 12 wishes a year
Disney: So he's the bad guy
You know, this reminds me of another story about wishes. About the abduction of a monarch at the party they're hosting, where the protagonist is stuck down by the comedic yet entertaining villain, followed by a long journey where our hero meets many allies each with their own backstories and fleshed out personalities. Even with frequent interludes to the kidnapped victim where they investigate their prison and help the hero with aid from a star being who answered their wish. It also features a finale that is not only captivating, but emotional with the score showing how far the hero has come, and then a satisfying villain defeat.
You know...
Frickin paper mario.
Paper Mario (excluding Sticker Star) has such impressive stories!! Really interesting stories worth experiencing and remembering. My favorite is Color Splash’s but the original Paper Mario is really good too! It involves wishes and does it right. Bowser wasn’t getting his wishes granted so he stole the star rod to grant them himself! A dangerous combination with him easily kidnapping Peach and causing trouble. That shows how not every wish should be granted. The star kid Twink answered Peach’s wish for help, but in a true time of need with a concerning villain causing actual problems. I’d much rather enjoy a wonderful Paper Mario story over whatever this Wish movie was.
Bowser honestly beats every Disney villain.
@@Danchildus Bowser’s one of my most favorite characters! And not just since Super Mario’s my favorite franchise. He looks really cool and is interesting. He has his own kingdom! He’s not always the bad guy and even has a son he cares for. Comedic at times, but when he gets up to no good can be intimidating! Mario & Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story features him on the adventure and is amazing! King Boo from Luigi’s Mansion is also a formidable villain and unlike Bowser, who has a little good in him, is full on evil! Bowser may have gone as far as to steal the castle’s stars and make his own painting worlds, try taking over the universe, and swallow Grand Stars to become huge, but King Boo’s unrelenting evilness and what he’s capable of with his paintings and illusions is terrifying.
But you forget... king magnifico is evil. Yeah idk how to even form a joke out of it he's so stupidly stupid with stupidity.
Also nice pfp
The premise of a king hoarding peoples whises and granting them at his own will is actually pretty promising.
Too bad they botched the message completely and didn't draw any interesting or logical conclusions..
For that, you'd need interesting writers. At this point, replacing them all with unedited AI would be an improvement...
@@Zerecese Hell yeah. I'd love to see what kinds of scripts Tay would come up with. Definitely more spicy than whatever this was.
Yeah, totally agree. I mean, it is pretty reasonable system. If you want to work towards your dream/wish, you will not need magic and simply try you best (like wanting be be ship capitan or something so you become sailor etc.) but if it's something like being amble to fly etc., them you can try lottery magic, but price is, that you forget it. People have this way something to look forward to and hope, they are lucky and their wish will be fulfilled and at same time focus on things, that they decided to do with their lives. What is realistic/reasonable etc., is purely their choice. Just like what will they do with their lives (well, that isn't purely your choice, but similar principle). People are happy, king has happy commoners, I see no problem. Maybe higher output of fulfilled wishes would be better, but not sure, how much is too much and how much is too little. Maybe someone who would help King with his magic, rather someone who take over and is irresponsible with their power. It is interesting concept, that I think would be better, if King was neutral character (you know they can exist, Disney?) and bad guy was someone else, who wants to steal wishes for power or something. King should be more classic wizard, who teach character about responsibility and how not all wishes can/should be fulfilled. MC would them teach him, that it's ok to let be little more free and generous with wishes and not be so strict with people or something. But that is just my idea and I can be totally wrong.
Apparently the original story was very different, and the version produced was made in basically less than a year.
But God has helped me to this very day; so I stand here and testify to small and great alike. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen- that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.
Acts 26:22-23
"Are we sure [X] is not evil?" feels like a very common question when it comes to modern heroes.
Along with "It's ok because they're the main character".
Yeah seems to be a theme in Hollywood.
White man in charge doing good. Strong woman of colour decides we need diversity and overthrows him because reasons
Its the same attitude as Nixons line about 'Its not a crime if the president does it' and just as evil.
@@es83stevenson88 but if she is the fairy godmother that means at some point she turns white
@@adamcsanki6641😂😂😂
@@adamcsanki6641 maybe she is the live action one from the Cinderella failure lol
Plot hole: If giving the king your wish makes you forget about the wish's existence, how is it that her grandfather has been waiting to have it granted his whole life?
"Yeah, that may as well happen" has to be the most under rated line in these things. You know producer guy has just given up trying to make sense of stuff when that line comes out.
I still don’t understand how her grandfather remembers his wish if they forget their wish.
He's gonna need you to get all the way off of his back about that
He doesn't, Asha asks Magnifico about it and sees what it is before explaining why it might be a bad wish.
@@BlueKey962 So the grandfather just knows he made a wish, but not what he wished for?
@@NoPowerintheVerseYes, because you forget it after giving the wish up in hopes Magnifico will grant it.
What happens if you write it down beforehand? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"That may as well happen" is one of my fave lines! The movie pitch has gone completely off the rails at that point. 😂
You know it sir is my favorite line or don’t worry about it
@@alexpowers5117 🤣 Those are great too!
What's a shame to me is that the conflict is interesting for all of five minutes. Initially, Asha's gripe is that Magnifico isn't granting everyone's wishes, but when he retorts with a reasonable defense (some wishes are dangerous), she responds with one of her own: that he shouldn't still hoard the wishes he refuses to grant. He responds that it's better they live in blissful ignorance than go chasing a dream they can never attain, to which Asha points out that the only thing standing in the way of that is _him_ , and that is where the discussion stops and both characters become totally flat.
The dangerous wishes aren’t the only problem. Even the seemingly benign ones could cause problems.
What happens if 90% of the population wishes to be rich? Then who will work to provide food, shelter, clothing etc. do we just wish all that into existence?
What if two men are wishing for the affections of the same woman, or two women with the same man? And wouldn’t that wish take away the freedom of choice and self determination of the subject of the two wishers affection? What if my wish is for my son to be a farmer but he wants to be a guitar player?
The king has a pretty valid point about the danger of granting every wish under the sun.
@@franciscodanconia4324 Both of the characters have valid points, because it's easy to argue that it's cruel for the king to give people false hope when he never plans to grant their wishes. But that argument is side-stepped because it would make the movie too philosophical and there are Snow White homages we need to get to.
@@franciscodanconia4324 So you defined dangerous wishes, congrats. Now, why not giving them back so people can work on it instead of living in blissful ignorance ?
@@66Roses it would be cruel if he didn’t grant the wish and the people knew he didn’t grant their wish, but apparently they forget their wish after they give it to him for the chance to be granted.
@@solanelukoperse5815 as far as a fairy tale goes it’s kind of genius. He’s basically packaging up a lot of people baser instincts into cute little bubbles and the people forget they had them. Theres probably a lot of greed, jealousy, envy and the rest of the deadly sins locked up there. And apparently the people of the kingdom are happier for it.
I do like how the producer guy was originally the bad influence in these skits, but now its been slowly tending more and more towards the writer as the fool
It's been an interesting trajectory as the producer guy has pretty much shown to make funky pushes for money, as that's his main motivation, while writer guy has started doing dumber ahnd dumber things, which producer guy doesn't really push back on, as long as it seems like money will be made .. lx)
@@boomguitarjared Writer guy can't help it if the movies he's fake writing are getting dumber and dumber.
Because that's how Hollywood is actually trending. Writers used to care about making good movies and the producers would ruin them with corporate messaging. Now the writers are the ones who couldn't care less about movie quality and the producer is panicking because they just lost a billion dollars on box office bombs this year.
"Straight up evil is tight!....
I hate puppies.." 😅
The movies' plots have gotten significantly dumber and worse the past decade, so Ryan's just mimicking reality with the shift. Producer Guy is still an idi0+ for approving the scripts, if that makes it better.
If people forget their wish, wouldn't most of them come back anyway? I mean, the reason what sparked the wish should still be there. If someone wishes their partner wasn't sick anymore, do you think if they forgot that wish it wouldn't just come back straight away?
And if the magic works like it erases all triggers for that wish, you can use the wishes for things you don't want.
Like most of the movie, forgetting the wish makes no sense at all.
(That's exactly something I was wondering! There's sooo many questions with that wish system...)
I think the default take-away is that the memory-wipe is a one-time thing. But you're right, without addressing the root cause of the wish, people would just come back. The fact that they don't implies that the memory-wipe magic is a much more active entity that is now living inside your head, and so when the wish begins to form again, right before it can become a complete thought, the magic activates, and all of a sudden you realize that you've completely zoned out, and can't remember for the life of you what you where just thinking about. Which would be weird, except this seems to happen to nearly everyone who lives in this kingdom on a rather regular basis, so it must be fine!
Hey, remember how in Aladdin Genie had those rules about wishes? How you couldn't wish for more wishes, you couldn't wish to kill someone, or have someone fall in love with you, or to bring someone back from the dead? And we all went, "Yeah, sure, that sounds fair"? Apparently *Asha* didn't!
ETA: I just realized that the "100-year-old grandfather" wishing "to inspire people" is supposed to be a metaphor for the Disney company, and that's why the king's a bad guy for not granting it. Which ... *could* have worked, maybe, but they would have had to put a lot more work into it.
Asha does know granting all wishes isn't a good idea, it's stated in the trailers. Her deal is more about grating them or give them back so people can work themselves on their realization or another goal. Seriously, I feel like most of the crowd criticizing this movie didn't even watch trailers and is just parroting whatever influencer told them or any false informations they saw in a comment somewhere.
Don't get me wrong, this movie direction looks like it was terrible, and people have plenty of things to complain about. But that one fake plot-point ? Bruh. Disney making a movie congratulating itself was funnier in the memes, btw.
@solanelukoperse5815 It's not a fake plot point. She did want all wishes granted. It's only when she realizes that Magnifico never had any intention of doing that that she says he should return the wishes so people can pursue them. She even argues that evil and dangerous people's wishes should be returned so they can be pursued and then stopped, which is just stupid. You'd only be able to stop them after they had harmed people. I can totally understand why a man who had his home destroyed and loved ones killed by people pursuing self desires wouldn't be okay with that. Moreover, she ignore the fact that, so long as Magnifico is protecting the wishes, people never feel the pain of them going unfulfilled. Most of the wishes we see can't be achieved through hard work, and even the ones theoretically could be are such long shots that going to Magnifico is probably the safest bet.
It's not like anyone in Rosas wishes for anything they actually need. All the wishes we see are completely selfish. They wish for hair, the ability to fly, their own flying kingdom, to be the greatest at something without having to work for it, etc. Also, working to achieve your wish was always an option. No one was forced to give Magnifico their wish. They did so voluntarily and eagerly. He is the one who imposes the one wish per person rule and the no wishing until you're 18 rule (which also means that everyone who makes a wish does so as a consenting adult).
The king not granting peoples wishes and drip-feeding low bar wishes is pretty good allegory for modern media companies
I like how the movie sets up what Magnifico does & everyone is okay with it/is happy, but then does a 180 whenever the main character doesn't get what she wants, cuz now it's a bad thing somehow. if he hadn't turned cartoonishly evil, he'd be the good guy..
That same think happened with the worst show ever robyn hood, the "bad guy" was reasonable and did nothing illegal yet they put some idiotic things just to convince the audience he was the bad guy at the last episode.
I also find it ironic that the king's longer standing good will is done away with and all out ignored and NO ONE attempts to save him. No one loved that king enough to grant him leniency. He was a good man longer than he was an evil one.
The fact she complains that one guy shouldn't be in charge of granting wishes then ends the movie being the only one granting wishes is amazing. Some people refuse to see the irony
@@es83stevenson88
Or the hypocrisy.
Remember Santa Inc? Santa had a reasonable compromise with the MC that she can handle Christmas behind the scenes, practically running 95% of the company, while the guy Santa chose can be the face.
But Santa was a drug dealer and was evil, for some reason. Imagine turning Santa evil because the elf MC didn't get what she wanted?
I think Disney was scared of being compared to the villain in a movie celebrating their 100 years of existence because there really could be something to explore about a guy promising wishes only to take that and turn them into empty, happy (one might even say corporate) people until a young dreamer comes along to knock some sense into them
I wanna see the cut of the movie where Magnifico comes out of his golden shower and signs copies of his book for Asha, singing about a ' bright new progressive tomorrow"
Puss in Boots the Last Wish
Now that's the wish movie that needs a Pitch Meeting
A pitch meeting about Puss is TIGHT. ... No wait. That came out wrong.
No it didn’t. It came out just right.
I can't believe this is the same Studio that made Soul and The Princess and the Frog. Not everyone get their wishes granted, but that doesn't mean we live without happiness.