Spare me. Ben Franklin was bloodthirsty as hell, his newspapers were adamant that the 13 colonies should conquer the west, and he advocated for breeding out the French Canadians while taking out the Indigenous tribes that resisted the expansion. He only advocated for revolution after the British decided not to let the colonists expand west.
@@arthurrytis6010 Sure you do it’s called in alienable rights the rights given to you by God which can’t be given nor taken away and one of them is to defend yourself and if that requires guns so be it your problem is access the law class is that I took in the mid to thousands taught me that laws were made to be broken and that’s my position!
@lamontpearce170 How long did he serve? I noticed that many military retirees die before getting social security. Even in peacetime, military life is rough .
@truthseeker2321 He did his 20 plus years. I know I went in 11/75 I had intended to serve for 20 years. But decided it was best to get out .I did my 3 years and my inactive reserve time. And was done ...I was disappointed at first to have missed Vietnam. Then I was thankful after growing up and listening to stories from other veterans.
As a Vietnamese, I was born when the war ended. We study about our nation's past, including the conflicts we have fought with other nations. We now know to remember the struggles faced by past generations. We also learnt not to remember bigotry, though. We extend a hearty welcome to all nationalities, including French, American, and those from which we have fought in the past. It is common knowledge that we are a socialist society but we are different from other communist countries, you may not be aware that our national policy is centered on national freedom and peace. We have a verse that I want to share with you. Đất nghèo nuôi những anh hùng (Heroes are born in impoverished places) Chìm trong máu lửa lại vùng đứng lên (Sinking in blood and fire,we rose once again.) Đạp quân thù xuống đất đen ( Stomp the enemies into the shadow ) Súng gươm vứt bỏ lại hiền như xưa (The swords and pistols were discarded, remaining as soft as before) We don't want war, We only protest when some country threatens our freedom and peace. War is meaningless, wish peace for the world.
So, you are North Vietnamese? South were socialist but, the north communist! A couple things you say, are contradicting. Is Vietnam still split? The war was between each other too! What about that? And socialist societies are not, communist societies! They are completely different! You are confused!
@@mountaineer7435 In Vietnam, we are united now. However, in the past, the South did not follow socialism; they followed personalism. Currently, Vietnam is led by the Communist Party and has a socialist-oriented market economy. If you want to know more about Vietnamese society, you can visit the Luna oi Channel to learn how we creatively apply "communism" in daily life and the differences between Vietnamese party and other communist parties.
@@thedoty57279 Today they not only know how to keep it secret but also how to control the narrative so that there are no secrets to hid since the lies becomes the only reality that the public sees . A reality void of truth .
@@philliphall5198 As for the Vietnam conflict , the US govrrnment and the MIC learned a lot . Firstly ,put a lid on it by controlling the press much better and secondly, get proxies to do the heavy lifting by dying for you . Resurrecting that old red menace domino theory is just perfect for Europe and the world by keeping the US as the white knight out to save the world .
I'm 68. The draft had just ended year before I graduated, but all the guys I know who were drafted in the late 60s early 70s came back totally different people. Some turned to drugs, some heard voices, some violent outbursts. All had mental illness because of what they saw, or did themselves. WAR IS HELL AND GOOD FOR NOTHING BUT THE DEFENSE INDUSTRY.
I'm a Marine & Vietnam vet and when I was there I heard stories of the atrocities the Americans were committing against the civilian population. The My Lai massacre was talked about quite a bit among sailors and Marines. Thank God I was in the air wing. Cheers from eastern TN
@@henrynoone3595 that's a tough question and most vets wont answer. Sadly, here in USA, our tax dollars are used to help in genocides, so indirectly and against our will we are complicit to murder. Until we stand up and I mean truly stand up against these unnecessary wars, they will continue happening and young lads will continue signing their conscious away.
@@hermanripps3692 Those who hate Americans have good reason! Like the people of Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran Afghanistan, the Philippines, Indonesia, numerous South American countries, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Somalia and many others who have had the Yank pestilence visited upon them! Americans have been liars and braggards for 300 years - Daniel Boorstin
@hermanripps3692 what the government does does not reflect upon how a huge majority of the American population feels I wish their was a way of opening the eyes of the people who hate others for their skin color, religion, and so on
"We went to America a few times and [Brian] Epstein always tried to waffle on at us about saying nothing about Vietnam. So there came a time when George [Harrison] and I said 'Listen, when they ask next time, we're going to say we don't like that war and we think they should get right out.' That's what we did." John Lennon
Tiger Force was created in 1965 as an elite unit to defeat an enemy that operated in underground tunnels, set deadly booby traps and disappeared into the jungle as they were counterattacked. 9:36 [The New York Times]
We have lost our moral and just wars on purpose the last 70 years and now Communism is in all our institutions because we did not stop it over seas and now genocide is happening all over the Western Hemisphere with the clot shots and YOU and I now have no one to turn to for help. How is that working?
You guys create them on the first place then go for intervention…it’s a great way of amping conflict and keep war continuous for weapon sales which is your countries gdp earner
Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history + (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed ++( ❤free plastine ❤)++ + trump 2024 good luck American
@@29.nguyenminhnhut2 Sorry, but trump isn't going to liberate Palestine nor stop the ukraine conflict and become friends with Russia. He is a blowhard wannabe dictator that will do whatever anyone pays him or the neoconss allow him to do. It was the same when he was president and it will only be worse if he is reelected again. The U.S. has no good options for president.
I hear what you say and sadly these things happen but it don't make it right . My Grandad fought a guerrilla war against the communists in Borneo , he said with a guerrilla war you had to hit the enemy ten times harder than they hit you to put the fear of God into them . This wasn't discriminate killings of civilians , no this was laying up for some times a week at a time watching the coming and goings of the enemy and more importantly their leaders . And once they knew the movements of them coming up with a way to kill them . Do that and it has the desired effect . After WW2 Britain controlled and policed Vietnam with British and Indian and Chindits and Japanese troops , they controlled this till the French wanted it back . So the common wealth troops pulled out and the Japanese were sent home and the French took over with much more troops and despite heroic fighting lost to a smaller force because of lack of a knowledge of guerrilla fighting . The rest is History and im not putting down the American Forces as they are very capable or the Koreans or Australians as they are capable as well . I just think by then the public opinion back home had shifted and they didn't want a war that they didn't understand . Sadly you will always get bad apples that will do the vilest of things but having never experienced such brutality of a war like that I feel I can't judge as I haven't experienced it . Not saying it's right but imagine seeing you mates killed or tortured and killed by an enemy and imagine the hatred that might well up ....after time it takes a strong person and of good morals not to do the worst .
Don't ever search what Japanese did in China and colonies. It is so sickening that makes Vlad the Impaler look like a good guy. It was truly the peak of human horror (enough to scare the Nazi, no joke).
A classic example of American 'exceptionalism'. When foreigners commit atrocities, it's Barbarism. But when Uncle Sam's boys do so, it's Expediency. And anyone thinking _this_ is bad, should get himself a copy of Douglas Valentine's excellent (but highly disturbing) _The Phoenix Program_ .
You hear anything about the cruelty and crimes of the other side? Nope, left wing media only have morality standards for the American standards. What can we expect when young boys with guns are let lose?
YET THERE WAS WARRANT OFFICER Thompson that tried to stop the killings at My Lai saving over 500 civilians. He even trained his gunship s on the US troops telling them to stop the killing. Cally, Madina and others should have been charged with war crimes but Thompson was courtmarshalled and shunned. Sad. TELL THE WHOLE STORY!!
@@GordonMcElvany Amen to that. We had zero business in Afghanistan as well. The parallel to Afghanistan and Vietnam is the fact that at the time we were in conflict with the two countries that they were both the number one opium producing countries in the word. Food for thought.
The US can't do anything against China. China has beaten the US mercilessly in the Korean war, where thousands of US soldiers were beaten and put to death before being thrown into the river. The US will never say their humiliation under the Chinese army, and they were forced to sign armistice for ending the war in Korea. The US is a tiger against small countries but becomes merely a cat against big nations.
I mean, WW1 was started by a 19 year old making a very bad decision. Millions of lives and many generations destroyed while never gaining a foot of land at times over something a 19 year old started. I still get what you're saying, but I don't think anything will top WW1's madness.
The storys I heard from several men who had “served” in ‘Nam, many I had considered my friends (they’re all gone now), would curl your hair and send shivers down your spine.. much, MUCH worse than examined in this video. Hearing the accounts certainly did so to me. I used to feel bad that I had been “too young for Vietnam and too old for Desert Storm”, because my father and uncle had proudly served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, but in hindsight I’m glad I never had to kill or be killed in armed conflicts anywhere in the world, as I never had to be involved in any branch of the US military. My sympathy goes out to right-minded individuals who were forced to “suck it up” and stay quiet. No wonder so many suffered PTSD for the rest of their lives.
For centuries nothing ever change, so who's can we as people point the finger to?, so everyone stays blind and deaf from reality as the world justified killing in wars for their masters don't matter what side of the coin are fighting for.
My advice to all of you..dont shed to many tears..in the future you going to have to man up and arm up...every man woman and even kids going to be in a struggle..bible claims it going to last seven years and at the end of it only five hundred million left in the world...if you dont have weapons buy some...ohhh welll..we will see..not going to comment on the stupid video...god will sort out good from bad...
I know a widow of one of the tiger forces. Her husband, the man with the last name, Bruner tried to stop a massacre but couldn't. He suffered extreme PTSD and became an alcoholic. His widow still cries over what happened and what he witnessed.
Whats wierd is that if you openly talk about this with Americans and the atrocities they did in Vietnam, Iraq etc they get super mad and defensive. Still no people went to jail for killing millions of civilians. Absolutly insane that we want to imprison other leaders for crimes during wars but we in the west get away with it.
@@harnessriscallous7466 russia, to deal with chechyn rebels they waged war within their own country.. told everyone in a city to evacuate, then bombed the 3.5km civilian vehicle refugee convoy. Put holes in every..single..vehicle..
@@jyellowhammer you would say that, wouldn't you as well you know american regimes,have always supported israel even now in gazas genocide ....plus Vietnam,Philippines ,south America etc ..american govornments have directly financed...war crimes..in various ways especially oin removing socialist regimes or movements it did not like. America is the great satan,along with Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia,and many corrupt eu countries...
I read the book. What people do not realize is that Sam Ybarra decapitated that baby! He was pure evil and my father flew helicopters in this war! He was shot down 3 times and told me that "Some guys....took it too far and went off the deep end." He always told me, "I hope to God you do not find out what war really is!"
My father was LRP for the 24th Infantry from '65 to '68. Ironically, he signed up in '64 right out of high school to escape the trauma of an abusive alcoholic father. My childhood is filled with events where he would drink hard at night to try to calm his nerves, and then begin to recount events in a jumble. His mind was broken by the horror, and the meth those guys were issued. We cannot learn from war, because civilians cannot understand what war is; and the same people who put us there don't wish for any kind of a reckoning for what they did.
@jimmymags6516 I don't think warcrimers are typically heroic; all of them presumably are botched somehow , psychopathic, or ideologically possessed. Perhaps there are exceptions, but I think the two aspects of warcrime and heroism are generally irreconcilable, if not necessarily irreconcilable.
@jimmymags6516 I don't know who you're talking about, because I wasn't talking about anyone specifically but perpetrators of warcrimes generally. Nonsense.
@@nupraptorthementalist3306 I referred to the father of the first post as " heroic " . You replied by saying war criminals are not heroic , So I concluded that you were referring to him .
And when Americans go to Vietnam and demand support against China ,The Vietnamese tell them that they aren't interested . At the very least , the Vietnamese have learned to keep a healthy distance from the US . Hallelujah !
@@butchsilk3145 You must mean all the birth defects coming from the agent orange and the napalm contamination during the following decades . The birth defects numbered into the millions . America should pay dearly for the pain it has caused in the world .
Was on the DMZ my entire tour of duty. No civilians to deal with in almost 90% of my AO's. Never saw any atrocities, very few booby traps as the NVA were progressing south thru the same areas we were in. We fought the NVA no VC to deal with so it wasn't like we didn't know who we were shooting at. Fortunately the few villages that I was involved with we didn't have any problems or fire fights. I was a Marine Grunt and within a few months being in country I knew the war was a big mistake.
I was told american Soldiers was mostly on cease-fire and couldn't shoot back or they would of been court-martialed I was also told they had kids running up on american soldiers with live Handgrenades blowing them self up and trying to blow up our troops
You guys deserved a hero's welcome. Whatever happened over there wasn't your fault (with the exception of psychos like the ones covered above), y'all were just American boys obeying orders: just like in WW2, WW1, Korea, the civil war and the revolution. It's absolutely shitty, the way the media and the mis-led public treated our boys coming back home, back then. I appreciate YOU, and almost every other one of our Vietnam veterans. The politics (In a way) have nothing to do with your heroism and willingness to say yessir. No matter what year it is, the act of following one's duty honorably for the sake of one's fellow countrymen is commendable and it has nothing to do with what the politicians are trying to do because that's not a soldier's business unless they're telling you to atack American citizens.
My FIL was drafted. He managed to get into the 7th Cav and spent almost his entire overseas tour in Germany. I believe he said he was part of a tank crew, but spent a lot of time transporting evac’d injured and processing KIA’s. He lucked out. Two of his high school buddies were KIA.
I remember so well the Vietnam war. Everyone lived in fear that their loved ones would be sent over there. I prayed all day and every day that my husband would not be sent. One day my husband came home with orders to go. We both cried hard because my husband said he knew that he would not make it. I continued to pray. The telephone rang soon after and my husband's brother said that he was going to Vietnam. We rejoiced because this meant that my husband did not have to go. God certainly heard my prayer!!!
Oh and by the way, my husband's brother stayed in Vietnam for two years and made it back safely. God protected him. This gave my husband to finish and get out of the service. God is so good.
@@garywemmer9342leftist or not, war is absolutely hell. No soldiers should committed a vicious crime against humanity and label as “I was just following orders.”
Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history +(China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed ++( ❤free plastine ❤)++ + trump 2024 good luck American
Lot of horror stories came out of Vietnam. I was infantry in Nam. Discover that if you treat villagers with respect even tho you knew they were VC at night. It raised your chances of survivial. It saved my life but killed my Dad back in the world.
What's even worse is that they brainwash their children to be the same as them and you know what you get from that kind of evil diabolical people racism and groups like the proud boys etc.
The term collateral damage is a euphemism invented with the intent to trivialize the killing of uninvolved civilians. If it bothers you then please don't use that term.
I am one of the lucky ones who went over there during the wind down. I did not have to fire a shot in anger at anyone. I have always known that war has never been a "Gentleman's Sport"
Having served in recon and as NCOIC of the battalion sniper team you soon find how quickly psychopaths surface. There are reasons people volunteer for these units not all of them good. I served under LTC D Hackworth in 1968 while running a recon platoon with the 9th division can't say I enjoyed it!!
We are all psychopaths to a degree, but some go all out. Those types usually drink or drug themselves to death later on or eat a self- served bullet. I joined the Army in 1981, but I was warned by the Vietnam veterans I knew. They all said that I had better know what I was getting into before signing up. I am grateful my whole 8 years of service was in peacetime.
My Uncle helped write that book and was a major contributor as a 327th TigerForce Veteran. He has since passed away, but I speak with Mike Sallah every few years.
Don't blame all of humanity for the actions of a few. If you think about it, such thinking only absolves those who committed the crimes as they are equated with the rest of us.
I had a friend who was involved in the atrocities. He blew his brains out with a shotgun. That was 40 years ago. I think that the military selected him to interrogate people because he had a breathtaking ability to recall any event with uncanny accuracy.
A corrupt govt got us into that war, and ALL other wars. The only criminals are those that put us there and gave Tiger their instructions. As a soldier, there are few rules. You are there to do 1 thing and do it better than your opposition. To fail is fatal. You have to shock the brutal, if you want to win.
In 1969, I helped move civilians out of their villages so the Viet Cong could not use them as a source of food and hide among them. Anyone found in these areas were assumed to be the enemy and could be killed without getting permission to fire on them. Thus these areas were declared free fire zones. Therefore the routes of the NVA and VC were cut off from the rest of South Vietnam. General Sherman and General Grant used this tactic during the Civil War against the Confederates -- no one called it murder during the 1860s. 14:28
@@davidcockrill7115thank you for your service. Saving civilians in that time. Your a hero we honor your service. Whatever the peacenicks say. They hate you me and America. Forget these people they never served a day in thier miserable lives, to anything or anybody. They don't understand what a buddy is they have no idea. We do let them go to hell.
@@davidcockrill7115 You didnt helped move out you forced reolocated civilians as a response to an popular insurgence agaisnt your neocolonial rule and them later proceded to mass murder anyone that managed to not participate on those reolocations, 11 million vietnamese became internaly displaced cause of your country criminal policies
I served in Vietnam between 1967-68 and can truly save I served honorably. Never did I do anything that I would ever be ashamed of doing. I have been back to Vietnam twice and and actually felt happy. I was surprised to often here the Vietnamese say the war was over and only have time to forget. I was alwas treated with kindness and friendship better than what I have heard some veterans have said about the Vietnameas.
@bugwild1544 The war crimes done in Vietnam were all done by the United States government. They were the one that started the war. They were the ones that drafted kids and sent them into a war against people that were never a threat to America. And today it is the United States government that is destroying the United States.
I had a close friend who told me a horrible story of when he was in nam, he said the unit he was in would come upon a small village and his unit would gather everyone in the village into a big group in the middle of the village men, women and children and his unit would open fire and kill everyone.
well not for nothing really The war moved 1 trillions in today $ from tax payers pockets to other people pockets Many got profit from the war Others died
@milangacik994 exactly, and he didn't describe what his father thought his atrocities were. Many Vets hated having to just shoot at the other side just like the VC were doing to us!
@@philliphall5198It’s not pointless. The only thing that would be pointless is pretending these atrocities didn’t happen so that future generations live in ignorance of history.
Such atrocities still happening to this day with nothing being done about it, just like all the comments talking about what should or should've happened, but are all useless word's which makes them pointless, a beautiful planet covered/infested with deadly evil people😔
They were normal men before war, horror, and fear changed them. People are uncomfortable with the idea that normal people can reach the point that they're capable of these things.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾 Prayers out for those trying to recover from the passing of their loved ones 🕊️ Prayers out for those trying to recover from trauma 🕊️
Man, I just watched a World War II documentary on the German soldiers killing innocent Jews "just following orders" and we defeated the Nazis but became as bloodthirsty as them during the Vietnam War
@@smoqueed44Yes, though I believe the German soldiers were brainwashed into doing it but, in America's case, they were just trigger-happy and overeager to fight. That's the best answer I could give ya
My grandma was a nurse in the Vietcong force, she retell stories of women raped and killed, child with brain blown out, pregnant lady with her baby dropped out of her gaping stomach, ear necklaces, heads on stakes and more brutally.
She left out how the VC did the same to innocent civilians who wouldn’t do their bidding. The atrocities committed by the VC and NVA during Tet were well documented. Your grandma doesn’t tell the whole truth
@@arthurbrumagem3844 Yes, I am aware of that. Not from her but from my dad’s side’s grandma. My paternal side was with the old republic. They told me about the mass murders, crucify and many more horror things. But my grandma’s team didn’t do any of that, she was a medic and have never killed in her life. I am aware that there is bad and good on both sides.
@@arthurbrumagem3844 You people are truely evil, justifying your evil attrocities. Tell me, what did the vietnamese do to the americans that you would fly across the planet to try and wipe out our entire race?
We had no business being in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter. Nobody is attacking us, if they don’t want democracy, that’s their business! No one but our current gov, the WEF, NATO, Soros or Gates are trying to destroy our country, it’s constitution and way of life.
And surprisingly, Ho Chi Minh has asked Nixon for help to liberating Vietnam before asking Russian and Chinese. After the war end, America said that " they fear Vietnam will fall under Chinese influence ( due to their domino theory at that time ), and general Giap said that " you American hasn't learned anything about Vietnamese history, if you have learned, you know how much we hate Chinese ". If America shaked Vietnamese hand back then, they might have even stronger Israel in SEA.
In case you're wondering, the events in this video and similar events were the reason for the swedish government saying hell no to the Swedish K being used in Vietnam and slapped an export ban on it immediately.
Between 1965 and 1975, the United States and its allies dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia-double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II. And there was LAOS...
@@georgehays4900 It was a submachine gun used by Swedish army. American special forces used it when they worked over the border in Laos, Cambodia and North Vietnam. Politically deniable soldiers and weapons.
Honestly don't feel bad for any Tigers lost who had taken part in such atrocities, you can't be the good guy when you're doing the same thing as the bad guys simple as that.
And you served????........ oh you didn't. So it's easy to be the moral Superior when you've never been anywhere or done anything and are just sitting behind a keyboard touching yourself into a nut coma.
Tiger Force is probably the most well-known, but they weren't doing anything out of the ordinary. The Pentagon War Crimes Working Group found that every batallion committed similar atrocities. And let's not even get started on Project Phoenix and the prisons and camps in the south...
My ex-husband, born 1942, served as a 5th Marine under the Phoenix project in 1960-61. He said they were sworn to secrecy. I met him in 1965, and he shared how the marines tortured village heads, raped and pillaged civilians, including women and children. 😢 I was appalled as other vets were congregating and sharing similar stories. He died in 2018. I've never remarried. Not willing to endure the dark side of my generation or the one following it.
@barbgordon4697 the phoenix program didn't exist until its creation in 1967 You're a liar or your husband was Probably both Go back to your bingo and shuffleboard
i question how far you'd go to preserve your life... say whatever comes to mind and then do anything to live in the same situation these men found themselves... doubtful your own comment and thoughts would stop your own depravity in that outcome.
My grandfather was in the war. The amount of people with LOW IQs that were in sqauds was absurd. This was a war we shouldn't of been involved in were his words
I was 21years old in Singapore..eating at the restaurant on the pier when this woman signs at me if I am a Soldier I signed back Yes she signs back at me if I have a Rifle I signed back Yes she signs if I shoot people I signed back No I signed back by Saluting Soldiers then I acted like I pick up a flower and smell it put my image Rifle barrel and sling the Rifle over my shoulder and the people smiled at me and I went on eating...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu USMC
You do realize alot of countries are responsible for much worse? Like China Japan Russia Britain the list is kinda staggering tbh let's just agree we humans are savages in general
Imagine being one of those guys. They signed up but turned into monsters trying to survive. The human mind is crazy and beautiful at the same time. Wow. Crazy story.
So you would have no problem facing off against an opponent that has a sharp pointed sword with just a pen in your hand? Good luck their."Mighty Dead" is how you'd end up if the other guy knew how to fight with a sword.
My grandpa fought in Vietnam. He had an M60, an M16, and a field-issued 1911. He never told me much about the people he knew or anything personal. Mostly, he shared the wild situations he got into and out of with a friend named Harvey. He drove a deuce-and-a-half with a lowboy trailer, hauling a large dozer from town to town to create roads through the muddy rice fields of Vietnam’s soil. He told me that when he passed through towns, the dozer’s blade was the perfect height and width to hang low enough and wide enough to knock off anyone’s head who got too close to the truck. He felt terrible and couldn’t sleep due to the atrocities he unintentionally committed. As a result, he ended up getting a large train horn installed on the truck to alert towns (allied and unoccupied by the NVC). He was an incredibly kind man, and I will never forget the stories he told me about his time on that little green island on the map
How did he get the 1911 as that was only issued to officers and enlisted RTO...on my first tour with Special Landing Force Alpha I had an M-14 issued out of Okinawa and the 1911 when I got in country..I never carried a 16 until my 2nd tour in 1969...
@@allenelswick6961Gobi desert dandstorms? They can drift thousands of miles ones from the Sahara reach North America and one reached here in Ireland a year ago
@@fourseasons2349lots of small arms carried that were not issued. My dad carried an MP-40 in Vietnam, and I carried an AK for a while in Iraq, in 2005.
I often wonder what kind of man I would be in these terrible situations. Would I have been a murderer in tiger force? Would I have been a Nazi, would I have owned a slave? I hope I would have been a moral man.
A moral man can live with his conscience but you are often given orders that leave you very little choice. My father said in WW2 they were ordered to shoot deserters Their own side. They all aimed to miss. He said what else could you do?
I would try to get the fuck out of the situation. Throughout history a lot of men had this idea. Hence the nice term you 'are' a 'deserter' was invented.
A quote from Catch 22; the mini series: that atrocities will occur because war centralises power into the hands of those who are most likely to abuse that power.
Read a book about a Brit who joined the US military and served in Vietnam, he was given the opportunity of joining Tiger Force or the Long Range Recon Patrol (LRRP's), he joined the LRRP's. According to his book, they were comprised of a 4 man group for the purpose of gathering intelligence with the emphasis on *not* being spotted or engaging the enemy if possible, whereas Tiger Force were the brutal military force that would use the LRRP's gathered intelligence to hammer the enemy I can't remember what he said about Tiger Force's ethos during Vietnam, but he did say that Tiger Force's losses were amazingly higher compared to the limited casualty rates of the LRRP's. The book is called *Fortune Favors The Bold* by James Walker
I’m not a soldier but in my career I get to see the worst in people everyday and every night and it starts to consume you as well. You really have to find a balance to keep your sanity.
My father served in the PTO. My parents were watching a WWII movie that had atrocities by the Japanese. When my mother remarked about them, my father replied, "You don't know what we did to them (Japanese)."
Americans may have responded to, but they did not bring, atrocities to Asia in WW II. Americans don't skin people alive, and they don't march prisoners to death.
If you knew what the Japanese did in WW2 you would realise. They could line up people in concentration camps and just shoot anyone they felt like. Everyday that continued. Mostly beheadings as well. The food was full of maggots. They had nothing else to eat. The food was mostly just rice anyway and nothing else. If you fell ill they usually shot you. You were of no use not good for work. The list is long. My father hated them in the end. War is an evil you have to live with. He was lucky he made it home from the Pacific. In one piece bodily but the mental scars were there and drank heavily after.
When you put young men in a situation like the Vietnam War this is what happens. We shouldn't be surprised at the outcome I know I watched it every night on TV in the 1960s and early 1970s
@@jimmymags6516 I doubt you would say the same if the roles were reversed. The cavalier reductionist attitude towards the victims is classic YT inhuman behavior.
@@misterblunderfull8305 Of course I'd say the same if the roles were reversed . I feel the same about the Confederate soldiers and the Kamikaze pilots .
@narednikmajka2403 It is hardly a justification for atrocities. William Tecumseh Sherman was a general in the Union Army during one of the bloodiest wars in American history. He made an observation based on what he'd personally experienced during very heated, bloody battfield accounts. Maybe you should read more about history?
@@MrJamy610 Like when Sherman and his forces followed a "scorched earth" policy in Georgia? The campaign is regarded by some historians as an early example of modern warfare or total war. There was no honor in Sherman's actions. He could have fought a winning war with some honor and restraint but he didn't and the hell he refers to in that sentence was of his own making. Thus it truly does sound like justification.
@narednikmajka2403 Are you an apologist for the Confederacy? You seem to forget that the Southern states were in rebellion and also fired the first shot at Fort Sumpter. Sherman did not slaughter civilians, as you seem to be implying, but instead practiced scorched earth policies in an effort to prevent the souths ability to conduct war by destroying their manufacturing, agricultural, and transportation systems. This may have been a harsh strategy, but it brought a much quicker end to the war. You cannot deny that fact, but again, you seem to be a weak student of history. I suppose you also believe that we should not have dropped atomic bombs on Japan, but instead performed a land in invasion by air and sea risking thousands of casualties ( both civilian and military) and extending the wars duration for possibly years. Sometimes wars are not fought so honorably. If it's a choice of ending a war quickly vs. honorably, I'll take a quick end to wars every time. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan are examples of indecisive action and dragging out wars with no strategic or political goals achieved. A waste of human lives and economic waste plus political fall out that will have ramifications for years.
Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed ++( ❤free plastine ❤)++ + trump 2024 good luck American
These stories are extremely important to remember. We must do our best never to repeat these acts. My grandfather Lt. Col. Voorhees wrote a book on his time in korea that brought up some war crimes he saw. He served in ww2 also but didn't talk about it much i know he was scared to death
@@LynetteBishop-v9kna they should feel shame because when we stand in front of god we can’t use the excuse “I was just taking orders” not even your government will save you. Nice try tho smh
Bullshit!! 95 % of the men who served in combat in Vietnam served honorably!! We don't like to talk about because we see the faces of those that died or were disfigured while fighting along side us. Those that boast about what they did or saw usually did either. Were there psychopaths, atrocities yes committed by a handful!! Don't put us all in one basket.
I'm damned proud of my service!!And the shame we felt was because of the treatment we received from our fellow citizens when we came home. That's why we don't talk about it.
Can you do a video on Khe San? My Stepdad was a marine there & I took care of him until he passed. He would scream horrifying things & he had dementia. He was scary.
@@Weekend-TravellerIt's not what he did most likely what he SAW. In the second world war it was just the same for all those men fighting. War is so bad men had difficulty explaining half of it. Some soldiers lose their mind in the end. Smoke drugs to continue every day there. Every day could be your last. You just struggle to get to the end of the day. My grandfather was reliving the 1st war as he was passing over going out from this world. 50 plus years later! He was bringing in the wounded and they had to prioritise who would survive. The dead were being eaten by rats. If you were not there how can anyone judge. Only God can do that. It is the very worst of situations.
My father was in Vietnam 🇻🇳 & Malaysia 🇲🇾 with the British Army. He had plenty skirmishes and stories of helping people, but never encountered any murder. Though there was stories that ‘you just don’t talk about’. In other words, they knew it went on with some.
I think it's a sake of people concentrate on soldiers that were bad, not the ones who were compassionate. No-one makes a great video on them. Remember, what the Viet-Con did to our soldiers, was inhuman. War creates monsters of people who were just ordinary before.
my dad was drafted… (he & my mom had recently been married, & my sister had just been born) so he ‘volunteered’ for 6 years in a Submarine, vs 3 years IN Vietnam jungles…. (Some of my dad’s drafted friends DID go to Vietnam (in order to be done soon as possible) & either were killed or came ‘back with some CRUEL stories- there was NO accountability, & basically no one in charge, & they went bat $h!t crazy there’ my dad said.
To answer the question "do you think the US government has learned its lesson about covering up atrocities?", I would say I certainely hope not. If there is a lesson to be learned from the story you told, it is that the US government can get away with covering up war crimes and not prosecuting the wrongdoers on a whim, which is a mortifying idea.
Stop sending young men to fight old politicians dreams and wishes!! Send the old men instead!! War Veteran myself Angola/ SA.
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I agree with you bub. And thank you for your service. I appreciate you brother
I think the biggest war crime in white America history is the killing of the American copper skin Aborigines.
Send the old white men!
@@hulamei3117black ones too
" War is when the government tells you who the enemy is... Revolution is when you decide that for yourself" -- Ben Franklin
Spare me. Ben Franklin was bloodthirsty as hell, his newspapers were adamant that the 13 colonies should conquer the west, and he advocated for breeding out the French Canadians while taking out the Indigenous tribes that resisted the expansion. He only advocated for revolution after the British decided not to let the colonists expand west.
Well. We certainly know who the enemy is in the UK. Trouble is , we don't have the luxury of your second amendment.
@@arthurrytis6010 Sure you do it’s called in alienable rights the rights given to you by God which can’t be given nor taken away and one of them is to defend yourself and if that requires guns so be it your problem is access the law class is that I took in the mid to thousands taught me that laws were made to be broken and that’s my position!
@@arthurrytis6010 As the enemies of the working class are the ruling class and capitalism, here, I've named them for you.
Yep, the 2nd is a hell of a thing.
I graduated from High School in 1965, was drafted the same year and had no idea what I was in for. I'm 76 now and it all seems like a bad dream.
More like a nightmare. My dad did Korea and Vietnam. And didn't live to see his 43 birthday...
@lamontpearce170 How long did he serve? I noticed that many military retirees die before getting social security. Even in peacetime, military life is rough .
@truthseeker2321 He did his 20 plus years. I know I went in 11/75 I had intended to serve for 20 years. But decided it was best to get out .I did my 3 years and my inactive reserve time. And was done ...I was disappointed at first to have missed Vietnam. Then I was thankful after growing up and listening to stories from other veterans.
@@lamontpearce170 I know what you mean. U.S. Army 1981- 1989. I'm glad I never saw war, and 8 years was enough Army life for me.
I'm sorry you and all those men had to go through that. I hope Jesus gives you peace in your mind and soul.
As a Vietnamese, I was born when the war ended. We study about our nation's past, including the conflicts we have fought with other nations. We now know to remember the struggles faced by past generations. We also learnt not to remember bigotry, though. We extend a hearty welcome to all nationalities, including French, American, and those from which we have fought in the past.
It is common knowledge that we are a socialist society but we are different from other communist countries, you may not be aware that our national policy is centered on national freedom and peace.
We have a verse that I want to share with you.
Đất nghèo nuôi những anh hùng (Heroes are born in impoverished places)
Chìm trong máu lửa lại vùng đứng lên (Sinking in blood and fire,we rose once again.)
Đạp quân thù xuống đất đen ( Stomp the enemies into the shadow )
Súng gươm vứt bỏ lại hiền như xưa (The swords and pistols were discarded, remaining as soft as before)
We don't want war, We only protest when some country threatens our freedom and peace.
War is meaningless, wish peace for the world.
Bài thơ "Việt Nam quê hương ta" của Nguyễn Đình Thi. What a resonant masterpiece it was.
I agree with you - "WAR IS MEANINGLESS!!"
War,huh,yeah what is it good for? Absolutely nothing, uhh war huh,yeah... Edwin Starr 1970.
So, you are North Vietnamese?
South were socialist but, the north communist!
A couple things you say, are contradicting.
Is Vietnam still split?
The war was between each other too!
What about that?
And socialist societies are not, communist societies!
They are completely different!
You are confused!
@@mountaineer7435
In Vietnam, we are united now. However, in the past, the South did not follow socialism; they followed personalism. Currently, Vietnam is led by the Communist Party and has a socialist-oriented market economy. If you want to know more about Vietnamese society, you can visit the Luna oi Channel to learn how we creatively apply "communism" in daily life and the differences between Vietnamese party and other communist parties.
The US government absolutely did learn from those horrific events. Only how to keep it quiet.
@@thedoty57279
Today they not only know how to keep it secret but also how to control the narrative so that there are no secrets to hid since the lies becomes the only reality that the public sees . A reality void of truth .
It’s over, everyone suffering still but no to the snitching people
@@philliphall5198 As for the Vietnam conflict , the US govrrnment and the MIC learned a lot . Firstly ,put a lid on it by controlling the press much better and secondly, get proxies to do the heavy lifting by dying for you . Resurrecting that old red menace domino theory is just perfect for Europe and the world by keeping the US as the white knight out to save the world .
@@philliphall5198that’s called protecting your brothers and the code of brotherhood.
They had psychopathic high commander who killed his own boss in 1963. What can you expect from such people...
The us government doesn’t learn from mistakes it just keeps moving into new mistakes
Absolutely
It's all on purpose. America is a disgusting country as well as it's people. The corruption in this country is just too much.
@@micksingh6711America punishes their war criminals
@@micksingh6711theres worse countries
Yes, Iraq and Syria as examples
I'm 68. The draft had just ended year before I graduated, but all the guys I know who were drafted in the late 60s early 70s came back totally different people. Some turned to drugs, some heard voices, some violent outbursts. All had mental illness because of what they saw, or did themselves. WAR IS HELL AND GOOD FOR NOTHING BUT THE DEFENSE INDUSTRY.
You are absolutely right on all that
100% agreed 😢
It's good for freedom. I'm glad the US freed europe otherwise I would've grown up in a communist hell hole
Don't forget the experimental drugs they were given too. That messed them up
Stop talking nonsense and bullcrap tinascott
I'm a Marine & Vietnam vet and when I was there I heard stories of the atrocities the Americans were committing against the civilian population. The My Lai massacre was talked about quite a bit among sailors and Marines. Thank God I was in the air wing. Cheers from eastern TN
How many civilians have you killed mr hero?
@@henrynoone3595 that's a tough question and most vets wont answer. Sadly, here in USA, our tax dollars are used to help in genocides, so indirectly and against our will we are complicit to murder. Until we stand up and I mean truly stand up against these unnecessary wars, they will continue happening and young lads will continue signing their conscious away.
whats the difference between the us congress and saddams regiem?
I’m also in east TN thank you brother
My brother was there. They were told not2 shoot, just spot. He came back never the same. Died at 21.
Never underestimate the amount of cruelty one human can inflict on another human its sad
or lies that can be told by American haters.
@@hermanripps3692 Those who hate Americans have good reason! Like the people of Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran Afghanistan, the Philippines, Indonesia, numerous South American countries, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Somalia and many others who have had the Yank pestilence visited upon them!
Americans have been liars and braggards for 300 years - Daniel Boorstin
@hermanripps3692 what the government does does not reflect upon how a huge majority of the American population feels I wish their was a way of opening the eyes of the people who hate others for their skin color, religion, and so on
What you mean is WHITE "humans".
@@hermanripps3692 Or the justification of atrocity by blind patriotic ignorance.
Just imagine all the untold stories of war's atrocities
“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends.”
John Lennon
By October 1969, "Give Peace a Chance" had become a universal chant at anti-Vietnam War demonstrations. 9:29 [HuffPost]
"We went to America a few times and [Brian] Epstein always tried to waffle on at us about saying nothing about Vietnam. So there came a time when George [Harrison] and I said 'Listen, when they ask next time, we're going to say we don't like that war and we think they should get right out.' That's what we did."
John Lennon
The Tiger Force Atrocities [The New York Times] 10:01
Tiger Force was created in 1965 as an elite unit to defeat an enemy that operated in underground tunnels, set deadly booby traps and disappeared into the jungle as they were counterattacked. 9:36 [The New York Times]
This is a good reason to never get involved in other countries problems.
We have lost our moral and just wars on purpose the last 70 years and now Communism is in all our institutions because we did not stop it over seas and now genocide is happening all over the Western Hemisphere with the clot shots and YOU and I now have no one to turn to for help. How is that working?
😂
No empire lasts forever.
You guys create them on the first place then go for intervention…it’s a great way of amping conflict and keep war continuous for weapon sales which is your countries gdp earner
You don't know what communism is - it died decades ago.@@alexkx8599
Well-researched and well presented. I've been researching the psychology of war for a long time, and this is invaluable information. Thanks.
“I’ve seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is hell”- William T Sherman
That is indeed true, and Sherman could know... he was part of that hell.
Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone.
+ Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America)
+ I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone.
+ Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America)
+ I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history
+ (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed
++( ❤free plastine ❤)++
+ trump 2024 good luck American
@@29.nguyenminhnhut2 Sorry, but trump isn't going to liberate Palestine nor stop the ukraine conflict and become friends with Russia. He is a blowhard wannabe dictator that will do whatever anyone pays him or the neoconss allow him to do. It was the same when he was president and it will only be worse if he is reelected again. The U.S. has no good options for president.
@@29.nguyenminhnhut2trump ain't doing anything good for Palestine, dawg.
You could argue that he started this genocide by moving the embassy.
Yes and he killed his fair share as well. Hell is overflowing.
The more i learn about history, the more im disgusted with "humanity". This is subhuman behavior. Pure evil.
You should be like, more repulsive of the white man who entertained these acts and atrocities. Don hide behind the word , humanity.
Humanity? You mean America?
Starting with the beast of Ronald Reagan, calling other countries evil.
I hear what you say and sadly these things happen but it don't make it right . My Grandad fought a guerrilla war against the communists in Borneo , he said with a guerrilla war you had to hit the enemy ten times harder than they hit you to put the fear of God into them . This wasn't discriminate killings of civilians , no this was laying up for some times a week at a time watching the coming and goings of the enemy and more importantly their leaders . And once they knew the movements of them coming up with a way to kill them . Do that and it has the desired effect . After WW2 Britain controlled and policed Vietnam with British and Indian and Chindits and Japanese troops , they controlled this till the French wanted it back . So the common wealth troops pulled out and the Japanese were sent home and the French took over with much more troops and despite heroic fighting lost to a smaller force because of lack of a knowledge of guerrilla fighting . The rest is History and im not putting down the American Forces as they are very capable or the Koreans or Australians as they are capable as well . I just think by then the public opinion back home had shifted and they didn't want a war that they didn't understand . Sadly you will always get bad apples that will do the vilest of things but having never experienced such brutality of a war like that I feel I can't judge as I haven't experienced it . Not saying it's right but imagine seeing you mates killed or tortured and killed by an enemy and imagine the hatred that might well up ....after time it takes a strong person and of good morals not to do the worst .
@@zeberdee1972 you and others should search internet to read "Vietnam why did we go" by Avro Manhattan in order to understand the root of Vietnam War.
Don't ever search what Japanese did in China and colonies. It is so sickening that makes Vlad the Impaler look like a good guy. It was truly the peak of human horror (enough to scare the Nazi, no joke).
A classic example of American 'exceptionalism'. When foreigners commit atrocities, it's Barbarism. But when Uncle Sam's boys do so, it's Expediency. And anyone thinking _this_ is bad, should get himself a copy of Douglas Valentine's excellent (but highly disturbing) _The Phoenix Program_ .
You hear anything about the cruelty and crimes of the other side? Nope, left wing media only have morality standards for the American standards. What can we expect when young boys with guns are let lose?
YET THERE WAS WARRANT OFFICER Thompson that tried to stop the killings at My Lai saving over 500 civilians. He even trained his gunship s on the US troops telling them to stop the killing. Cally, Madina and others should have been charged with war crimes but Thompson was courtmarshalled and shunned. Sad. TELL THE WHOLE STORY!!
@colsmith7257
"Please don't liberate my homeland."
Nope - far better to stay spiritually imprisoned within the Great American Myth!
America is superior to all of you in every sector of life. You're a little jealous aren't you.
Project Phoenix's estimated casualties are approximately 60 000. No one really made a fuss about it because it was ran by the CIA.
Probably one of the most stupidest wars we had in the last 200 years.
Iraq is near the top as well. I hope George Bush is enjoyment his retirement as well. It will be much hotter than Texas where he is going.
@@GordonMcElvanyCorny ass dude. Hell doesn’t exist
@@GordonMcElvany Amen to that. We had zero business in Afghanistan as well. The parallel to Afghanistan and Vietnam is the fact that at the time we were in conflict with the two countries that they were both the number one opium producing countries in the word. Food for thought.
The US can't do anything against China. China has beaten the US mercilessly in the Korean war, where thousands of US soldiers were beaten and put to death before being thrown into the river. The US will never say their humiliation under the Chinese army, and they were forced to sign armistice for ending the war in Korea. The US is a tiger against small countries but becomes merely a cat against big nations.
I mean, WW1 was started by a 19 year old making a very bad decision. Millions of lives and many generations destroyed while never gaining a foot of land at times over something a 19 year old started.
I still get what you're saying, but I don't think anything will top WW1's madness.
The storys I heard from several men who had “served” in ‘Nam, many I had considered my friends (they’re all gone now), would curl your hair and send shivers down your spine.. much, MUCH worse than examined in this video. Hearing the accounts certainly did so to me. I used to feel bad that I had been “too young for Vietnam and too old for Desert Storm”, because my father and uncle had proudly served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, but in hindsight I’m glad I never had to kill or be killed in armed conflicts anywhere in the world, as I never had to be involved in any branch of the US military. My sympathy goes out to right-minded individuals who were forced to “suck it up” and stay quiet. No wonder so many suffered PTSD for the rest of their lives.
It's easy to judge others . We have no idea how we would have acted in those conditions .
For centuries nothing ever change, so who's can we as people point the finger to?, so everyone stays blind and deaf from reality as the world justified killing in wars for their masters don't matter what side of the coin are fighting for.
@@jimmymags6516yep
My advice to all of you..dont shed to many tears..in the future you going to have to man up and arm up...every man woman and even kids going to be in a struggle..bible claims it going to last seven years and at the end of it only five hundred million left in the world...if you dont have weapons buy some...ohhh welll..we will see..not going to comment on the stupid video...god will sort out good from bad...
AND WW3 IS COMING !
I know a widow of one of the tiger forces. Her husband, the man with the last name, Bruner tried to stop a massacre but couldn't. He suffered extreme PTSD and became an alcoholic. His widow still cries over what happened and what he witnessed.
Did he participate in any illegal activities?
@@grandcanyon-d4d, No, he tried to stop it. Wayne Bruner's story can be found in the book, Tiger Force.
@Mattyice5950, Yes, he was. His widow gets so upset recounting the story but is so proud of him.
I escaped conscription but I like my bottle too much too 🙂
@@marcoprolo1488that just means you don't have a excuse to be pathetic
No, I think they will always try to cover up atrocities.
So, continue atrocities. Where are ICJ and ICC??? LOL!@curtislockhart7152
These aren’t even close to the atrocities committed by the CIA, then & even now …
It’s the American Way
@@PraiseOnMyLips the same for the japanese
@@robertungsod691Americans always try to put the blame on the Japanese.
Whats wierd is that if you openly talk about this with Americans and the atrocities they did in Vietnam, Iraq etc they get super mad and defensive. Still no people went to jail for killing millions of civilians. Absolutly insane that we want to imprison other leaders for crimes during wars but we in the west get away with it.
What country are you from?
@@Encourageablewhat country is worse than the us on this? Besides maybe Israel but they're babies and basically just a us vassal state.
Exactly , The West are racist
Because your reading or hearing or guess you know what your talking about, if you were not there you got hear say
@@harnessriscallous7466 russia, to deal with chechyn rebels they waged war within their own country.. told everyone in a city to evacuate, then bombed the 3.5km civilian vehicle refugee convoy.
Put holes in every..single..vehicle..
There is an Australian reporter jailed many a year for reporting atrocities like these😢
Yeah Australia isn't the best place for exposing corruption as the whole place came from Britain oppression. No freedom of speech im afraid
What is the reporters name ?
Doesn't Australia have Whistle-blower laws?
David McBride
Julian Assange
It's too painful to watch anymore, and I'm not Vietnamese. 😢
Exactly, and a black was amongst the culprits, Mohammed Ali was right not to go
You can care for anyone regardless of your demographic or those you care about demographic.
How hypocritical is America, chasing down old ss...for war crimes...but turning a blind eye to their own war criminals ...!
The U.S. was not chasing anyone after the War. That was what the Israelis were doing.
@@jyellowhammer you would say that, wouldn't you as well you know american regimes,have always supported israel even now in gazas genocide ....plus Vietnam,Philippines ,south America etc ..american govornments have directly financed...war crimes..in various ways especially oin removing socialist regimes or movements it did not like. America is the great satan,along with Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia,and many corrupt eu countries...
@@jyellowhammeryou must not know who owns America
History is written by the winners and so is the narrative.
@@jyellowhammer american jews
I read the book. What people do not realize is that Sam Ybarra decapitated that baby! He was pure evil and my father flew helicopters in this war! He was shot down 3 times and told me that "Some guys....took it too far and went off the deep end." He always told me, "I hope to God you do not find out what war really is!"
I think every war it happens
My father was LRP for the 24th Infantry from '65 to '68. Ironically, he signed up in '64 right out of high school to escape the trauma of an abusive alcoholic father. My childhood is filled with events where he would drink hard at night to try to calm his nerves, and then begin to recount events in a jumble. His mind was broken by the horror, and the meth those guys were issued. We cannot learn from war, because civilians cannot understand what war is; and the same people who put us there don't wish for any kind of a reckoning for what they did.
Sorry that your whole family had to go through that tough time . In my opinion your Dad, and all that fought are heroic .
@jimmymags6516 I don't think warcrimers are typically heroic; all of them presumably are botched somehow , psychopathic, or ideologically possessed. Perhaps there are exceptions, but I think the two aspects of warcrime and heroism are generally irreconcilable, if not necessarily irreconcilable.
@@nupraptorthementalist3306 You're assuming this man was a war criminal ?
@jimmymags6516 I don't know who you're talking about, because I wasn't talking about anyone specifically but perpetrators of warcrimes generally. Nonsense.
@@nupraptorthementalist3306 I referred to the father of the first post as " heroic " . You replied by saying war criminals are not heroic , So I concluded that you were referring to him .
So sad the suffering that was placed on the Vietnamese people. War crimes should never be acceptable.
How many Americans paid for the war crimes in Nam ? Curious that the US were never accused of any war crimes ever ?
And when Americans go to Vietnam and demand support against China ,The Vietnamese tell them that they aren't interested . At the very least , the Vietnamese have learned to keep a healthy distance from the US . Hallelujah !
There was much more after we left Vietnam. Check your history.
@@butchsilk3145 Very sad.
@@butchsilk3145 You must mean all the birth defects coming from the agent orange and the napalm contamination during the following decades . The birth defects numbered into the millions . America should pay dearly for the pain it has caused in the world .
Was on the DMZ my entire tour of duty. No civilians to deal with in almost 90% of my AO's. Never saw any atrocities, very few booby traps as the NVA were progressing south thru the same areas we were in. We fought the NVA no VC to deal with so it wasn't like we didn't know who we were shooting at. Fortunately the few villages that I was involved with we didn't have any problems or fire fights. I was a Marine Grunt and within a few months being in country I knew the war was a big mistake.
They did their job keep all this private your a stirrer
Most veterans bieve the same as you about that ear
We killed 2 million
I was told american Soldiers was mostly on cease-fire and couldn't shoot back or they would of been court-martialed I was also told they had kids running up on american soldiers with live Handgrenades blowing them self up and trying to blow up our troops
You guys deserved a hero's welcome. Whatever happened over there wasn't your fault (with the exception of psychos like the ones covered above), y'all were just American boys obeying orders: just like in WW2, WW1, Korea, the civil war and the revolution. It's absolutely shitty, the way the media and the mis-led public treated our boys coming back home, back then. I appreciate YOU, and almost every other one of our Vietnam veterans. The politics (In a way) have nothing to do with your heroism and willingness to say yessir. No matter what year it is, the act of following one's duty honorably for the sake of one's fellow countrymen is commendable and it has nothing to do with what the politicians are trying to do because that's not a soldier's business unless they're telling you to atack American citizens.
My FIL was drafted. He managed to get into the 7th Cav and spent almost his entire overseas tour in Germany. I believe he said he was part of a tank crew, but spent a lot of time transporting evac’d injured and processing KIA’s. He lucked out. Two of his high school buddies were KIA.
I remember so well the Vietnam war. Everyone lived in fear that their loved ones would be sent over there. I prayed all day and every day that my husband would not be sent. One day my husband came home with orders to go. We both cried hard because my husband said he knew that he would not make it. I continued to pray. The telephone rang soon after and my husband's brother said that he was going to Vietnam. We rejoiced because this meant that my husband did not have to go. God certainly heard my prayer!!!
Oh and by the way, my husband's brother stayed in Vietnam for two years and made it back safely. God protected him. This gave my husband to finish and get out of the service. God is so good.
It’s disturbing that no one was ever held accountable for these acts of cruelty
It's disturbing but I'm not surprised even today USA could be held for war crimes.
Take a bite, leftist.
@@garywemmer9342 remember when Republicans weren't full-on fascist pussies? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
@@garywemmer9342leftist or not, war is absolutely hell. No soldiers should committed a vicious crime against humanity and label as “I was just following orders.”
@@KillerQueenforbloodthat's why the US will never win another war.
My father Jerry Lee Cochran commanded an army ammunition depot.
He didn't talk about Vietnam
Did he go?
Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone.
+ Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America)
+ I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone.
+ Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America)
+ I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history
+(China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed
++( ❤free plastine ❤)++
+ trump 2024 good luck American
@@29.nguyenminhnhut2 agreed!
Did he had fun with little vietnamese girls?
what happened back then isnt far away from what is happening today
Worse
It's mostly kids now
Kamala Harris and Joe Biden forced the war in Ukraine. You think it's any different today?
Lol 😂
@@jamesdeluca6657 nothin funny about it !
This is important. Well done
Lot of horror stories came out of Vietnam. I was infantry in Nam. Discover that if you treat villagers with respect even tho you knew they were VC at night. It raised your chances of survivial. It saved my life but killed my Dad back in the world.
And these people were allowed back into the streets... scary.
What's even worse is that they brainwash their children to be the same as them and you know what you get from that kind of evil diabolical people racism and groups like the proud boys etc.
What a strange atmosphere where you're protecting prisoners from your own guys. Imagine the paranoia.
At least some had a conscience, or not high on drugs or simply drunk
Never underestimate group pressure / behaviour.
And they wondering why people fight back with this kind of brutality and savagery...
Collateral damage is a thing that bugs me the most about my combat service
So get out, AWOL cuz nobody feels thankful for a useless service
I’d be more worried about Karma !
The term collateral damage is a euphemism invented with the intent to trivialize the killing of uninvolved civilians. If it bothers you then please don't use that term.
@@droklesCall it what it really is - Babies, Children, women and old men. People who don’t know what violence means, and can’t defend themselves.
@@drokles have you even seen combat ?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing !! " - Edmund Burke
I am one of the lucky ones who went over there during the wind down. I did not have to fire a shot in anger at anyone. I have always known that war has never been a "Gentleman's Sport"
Having served in recon and as NCOIC of the battalion sniper team you soon find how quickly psychopaths surface. There are reasons people volunteer for these units not all of them good. I served under LTC D Hackworth in 1968 while running a recon platoon with the 9th division can't say I enjoyed it!!
Hackworth was a real psychopath!
We are all psychopaths to a degree, but some go all out. Those types usually drink or drug themselves to death later on or eat a self- served bullet.
I joined the Army in 1981, but I was warned by the Vietnam veterans I knew. They all said that I had better know what I was getting into before signing up. I am grateful my whole 8 years of service was in peacetime.
When did you realize that was
r was unsinkable and we should not be there?
Hack was a excellent combat leader! Most all the men who served under him loved him.
How do you figure? Thats an idiotic statement...@@stevenginn5352
There’s a book on this, named Tiger Force. It’s a great book and worth checking out for anybody that hasn’t read it.
Can't read books like that anymore , I already have low confidence in the human race
@@Bamboohuggersame ever since we had our first child that type of content gives me horrible anxiety I get physically ill
My Uncle helped write that book and was a major contributor as a 327th TigerForce Veteran. He has since passed away, but I speak with Mike Sallah every few years.
@@Bamboohugger yeah after nearly 20 years as a patrol officer, I'm in the same boat.
@@Bamboohugger I don't just a bad people
And they have audacity to prosecute and sentence Muhammed Ali to 5 years for refusing to participate in the war.
Absolutely disgusting what humans do to other humans…
Truly, we are created in gods image ……..
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That's what Christian Crusades and Evagalism is
There's a special place in hell for people like this
@@swampthing8277 sadly not
Don't blame all of humanity for the actions of a few. If you think about it, such thinking only absolves those who committed the crimes as they are equated with the rest of us.
I had a friend who was involved in the atrocities. He blew his brains out with a shotgun. That was 40 years ago. I think that the military selected him to interrogate people because he had a breathtaking ability to recall any event with uncanny accuracy.
A corrupt govt got us into that war, and ALL other wars.
The only criminals are those that put us there and gave Tiger their instructions. As a soldier, there are few rules. You are there to do 1 thing and do it better than your opposition. To fail is fatal. You have to shock the brutal, if you want to win.
No tears to be shed for your friend though
Do you think the suicide was directly because of the warcrimes?
I dont feel sorry for your friend Glory To the Russian FEDERATION 🇷🇺🇷🇺
Ukraine !@@danielpetrucci8952
In Vietnam there were free fire zones. Soldiers were told that you kill ANYTHING alive in a free fire zone.
It's true
In 1969, I helped move civilians out of their villages so the Viet Cong could not use them as a source of food and hide among them. Anyone found in these areas were assumed to be the enemy and could be killed without getting permission to fire on them. Thus these areas were declared free fire zones. Therefore the routes of the NVA and VC were cut off from the rest of South Vietnam.
General Sherman and General Grant used this tactic during the Civil War against the Confederates -- no one called it murder during the 1860s. 14:28
@@davidcockrill7115 I'm not condemning any Vietnam Vet. But... what you wrote about Grant and Sherman is complete nonsense.
@@davidcockrill7115thank you for your service. Saving civilians in that time. Your a hero we honor your service. Whatever the peacenicks say. They hate you me and America. Forget these people they never served a day in thier miserable lives, to anything or anybody. They don't understand what a buddy is they have no idea. We do let them go to hell.
@@davidcockrill7115 You didnt helped move out you forced reolocated civilians as a response to an popular insurgence agaisnt your neocolonial rule and them later proceded to mass murder anyone that managed to not participate on those reolocations, 11 million vietnamese became internaly displaced cause of your country criminal policies
Politicians actually know their enemies name, visit their country while young men don't know anything about their enemy.
Calling people enemy combatants because of scarves and there being "no innocent civilians there"! They remain exactly the same people to this day.
I served in Vietnam between 1967-68 and can truly save I served honorably. Never did I do anything that I would ever be ashamed of doing. I have been back to Vietnam twice and and actually felt happy. I was surprised to often here the Vietnamese say the war was over and only have time to forget. I was alwas treated with kindness and friendship better than what I have heard some veterans have said about the Vietnameas.
Thank you for your service salute sir🪖🇺🇸 had to correct my words.
You shouldn't go in first place. Why invading other countries!!
Did you See some Americans soldiers do a war crime?
@bugwild1544 The war crimes done in Vietnam were all done by the United States government. They were the one that started the war. They were the ones that drafted kids and sent them into a war against people that were never a threat to America. And today it is the United States government that is destroying the United States.
@@bugwild1544the fact that they were there in the first place should count as a war crime
And its still happening... and no one is held accountable.
I had a close friend who told me a horrible story of when he was in nam, he said the unit he was in would come upon a small village and his unit would gather everyone in the village into a big group in the middle of the village men, women and children and his unit would open fire and kill everyone.
The crime was sending men to a place they had no business being in,to sacrifice their lives for nothing
well not for nothing really The war moved 1 trillions in today $ from tax payers pockets to other people pockets
Many got profit from the war Others died
Those men committed atrocities. Then they came back. ☠️
Not for nothing
For money
@@gino3286 $$$$ for LBJ and crew
My father served in Vietnam in the Brown water Navy. It took him 30 years to finally drink himself to death to stop the memories of his atrocities.
What goes around comes around.
@@milangacik994 same goes for you dork
@milangacik994 exactly, and he didn't describe what his father thought his atrocities were. Many Vets hated having to just shoot at the other side just like the VC were doing to us!
Very sorry about that, but was he forced to go to war. Jesus said Thou shall not kill.
What a lame way to go out
Nice to see "allied" war crimes being exposed for once. Overdue.
Point less video, just to keep the pain and hate going for years 😢😢😢
@@philliphall5198 Well, it's history, not pointless per se but I understand what you mean.
@@philliphall5198It’s not pointless. The only thing that would be pointless is pretending these atrocities didn’t happen so that future generations live in ignorance of history.
Agreed.
Such atrocities still happening to this day with nothing being done about it, just like all the comments talking about what should or should've happened, but are all useless word's which makes them pointless, a beautiful planet covered/infested with deadly evil people😔
"Carried a bag of vinegar to replace the rotting ears with fresh ones"... Wtf... Jesus Christ!
They were normal men before war, horror, and fear changed them. People are uncomfortable with the idea that normal people can reach the point that they're capable of these things.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾
Prayers out for those trying to recover from the passing of their loved ones 🕊️
Prayers out for those trying to recover from trauma 🕊️
Man, I just watched a World War II documentary on the German soldiers killing innocent Jews "just following orders" and we defeated the Nazis but became as bloodthirsty as them during the Vietnam War
And in Iraq, Libya, Guantanamo, Cuba, Algeria, Ukraine, Japan, and many many more .
It seems to commonplace the world over when human beings are exposed to combat for long enough.
Did you actually watch it? Because then holocaust was a consistent effort at genocide, not wartime psychopathy.
@@smoqueed44Yes, though I believe the German soldiers were brainwashed into doing it but, in America's case, they were just trigger-happy and overeager to fight. That's the best answer I could give ya
Jews aren't "innocent"
My grandma was a nurse in the Vietcong force, she retell stories of women raped and killed, child with brain blown out, pregnant lady with her baby dropped out of her gaping stomach, ear necklaces, heads on stakes and more brutally.
She left out how the VC did the same to innocent civilians who wouldn’t do their bidding. The atrocities committed by the VC and NVA during Tet were well documented. Your grandma doesn’t tell the whole truth
@@arthurbrumagem3844 Yes, I am aware of that. Not from her but from my dad’s side’s grandma. My paternal side was with the old republic. They told me about the mass murders, crucify and many more horror things. But my grandma’s team didn’t do any of that, she was a medic and have never killed in her life. I am aware that there is bad and good on both sides.
@@arthurbrumagem3844 You people are truely evil, justifying your evil attrocities. Tell me, what did the vietnamese do to the americans that you would fly across the planet to try and wipe out our entire race?
I am a vietnamese from the north and I feel so ashamed
We had no business over there.
Those who went to Canada did the right thing.
@@mckessa17 I have mixed feelings about that.
We had no business being in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter. Nobody is attacking us, if they don’t want democracy, that’s their business! No one but our current gov, the WEF, NATO, Soros or Gates are trying to destroy our country, it’s constitution and way of life.
@gregpeterson3144 I agree
And surprisingly, Ho Chi Minh has asked Nixon for help to liberating Vietnam before asking Russian and Chinese. After the war end, America said that " they fear Vietnam will fall under Chinese influence ( due to their domino theory at that time ), and general Giap said that " you American hasn't learned anything about Vietnamese history, if you have learned, you know how much we hate Chinese ". If America shaked Vietnamese hand back then, they might have even stronger Israel in SEA.
In case you're wondering, the events in this video and similar events were the reason for the swedish government saying hell no to the Swedish K being used in Vietnam and slapped an export ban on it immediately.
Between 1965 and 1975, the United States and its allies dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia-double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II. And there was LAOS...
What the hell is a Swedish K? I am assuming a knife but I try to never assume.
Carl Gustav m45 sub machine gun from wiki university
@@georgehays4900 It was a submachine gun used by Swedish army. American special forces used it when they worked over the border in Laos, Cambodia and North Vietnam. Politically deniable soldiers and weapons.
and then there was Bangladesh. If everybody only knew.@@narajuna
Bless the souls of those Tigers who didn't take part in the atrocities and those who were courageous enough to stand up against it.
Where's your communist pride flag ?
@@phoenixkarlaz I'm waving a flag to you 🖕
@@phoenixkarlazWe were the invaders ass-wipe. How would you like it if it were reversed.
Surely you know that narrated trash was a dream of some NON SERVING pencil neck. 😮
@@phoenixkarlazwhat a dumbo 🥴
Honestly don't feel bad for any Tigers lost who had taken part in such atrocities, you can't be the good guy when you're doing the same thing as the bad guys simple as that.
And you served????........ oh you didn't. So it's easy to be the moral Superior when you've never been anywhere or done anything and are just sitting behind a keyboard touching yourself into a nut coma.
No one asked or cares about your civilian opinion
Only simple to a chimp who's never been anywhere or done anything.
@@Theole6.6 No one asked or cares about yours, Theo.
There are no good or bad guys. only you and the opfor.
Not surprise. It's currently still going on.
Where humans live, the propensity for savagery exists. We are a savage race.
@@aimeekubik8803yes, there are no “good guys” or “bad guys” there is only human nature.
always has and always will
Tiger Force is probably the most well-known, but they weren't doing anything out of the ordinary. The Pentagon War Crimes Working Group found that every batallion committed similar atrocities.
And let's not even get started on Project Phoenix and the prisons and camps in the south...
The apple doesn't fall from the tree well we know one thing them a their ancestors is bussing HELL WIDE OPEN
@curtislockhart7152
LOL 😂
My ex-husband, born 1942, served as a 5th Marine under the Phoenix project in 1960-61. He said they were sworn to secrecy. I met him in 1965, and he shared how the marines tortured village heads, raped and pillaged civilians, including women and children. 😢 I was appalled as other vets were congregating and sharing similar stories. He died in 2018. I've never remarried. Not willing to endure the dark side of my generation or the one following it.
@barbgordon4697 the phoenix program didn't exist until its creation in 1967
You're a liar or your husband was
Probably both
Go back to your bingo and shuffleboard
This is a good example to show the depravity and breakdown of the human condition when there is no guidence of conscience or human dignity.
i question how far you'd go to preserve your life... say whatever comes to mind and then do anything to live in the same situation these men found themselves... doubtful your own comment and thoughts would stop your own depravity in that outcome.
Is everyone buying into this nonsense
Exactly. It's called a WAR. That's what's happens in a WAR
My grandfather was in the war. The amount of people with LOW IQs that were in sqauds was absurd. This was a war we shouldn't of been involved in were his words
I was 21years old in Singapore..eating at the restaurant on the pier when this woman signs at me if I am a Soldier I signed back Yes she signs back at me if I have a Rifle I signed back Yes she signs if I shoot people I signed back No I signed back by Saluting Soldiers then I acted like I pick up a flower and smell it put my image Rifle barrel and sling the Rifle over my shoulder and the people smiled at me and I went on eating...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu USMC
Damn how many episodes have they dedicated to US war crimes alone, still hasn't covered half of it.
You do realize alot of countries are responsible for much worse? Like China Japan Russia Britain the list is kinda staggering tbh let's just agree we humans are savages in general
Even 1/10th of it
Almost like that's all they want to do, is it truth they're exposing or is this just liberal politics demonizing those who served?
Seems selective when you put it that way… somebody’s gots agendas
YT is going to need a whole nother subcategory for Russia's atrocities
Thank you TH-cam for erasing my comments. I know what to save in my notes so I can spread it around. I appreciate your help
What was it?
Just remember they can use that also to control you.
You must have said something pretty bad TH-cam doesn't edit much
@@tblewis419 hahahahahahahahaha that's funny.
Hahaha same here. 9/10 of my comments get blocked. I must be on their list 😂
A BIG NO! They are the most arrogant forces I’ve ever served with. Don’t trust them, don’t believe them!
Imagine being one of those guys. They signed up but turned into monsters trying to survive. The human mind is crazy and beautiful at the same time. Wow. Crazy story.
I think most of them were already monsters before they signed up, Tiger Unit was their way to express their monstrous self.
@@OlSkoolPeteI think both you give in to what’s goin on around you specially seeing your team die
@@OlSkoolPeteso sad how the ones who tried to do good were over powered by their monstrous fellow soldiers...
It's the people at the top who should be held accountable not their implements of death and destruction.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
So you would have no problem facing off against an opponent that has a sharp pointed sword with just a pen in your hand? Good luck their."Mighty Dead" is how you'd end up if the other guy knew how to fight with a sword.
You are obviously uneducated.@@peterzinia3767
"War... War never changes"
- Storytellers from Fallout.
My grandpa fought in Vietnam. He had an M60, an M16, and a field-issued 1911. He never told me much about the people he knew or anything personal. Mostly, he shared the wild situations he got into and out of with a friend named Harvey. He drove a deuce-and-a-half with a lowboy trailer, hauling a large dozer from town to town to create roads through the muddy rice fields of Vietnam’s soil. He told me that when he passed through towns, the dozer’s blade was the perfect height and width to hang low enough and wide enough to knock off anyone’s head who got too close to the truck. He felt terrible and couldn’t sleep due to the atrocities he unintentionally committed.
As a result, he ended up getting a large train horn installed on the truck to alert towns (allied and unoccupied by the NVC). He was an incredibly kind man, and I will never forget the stories he told me about his time on that little green island on the map
How did he get the 1911 as that was only issued to officers and enlisted RTO...on my first tour with Special Landing Force Alpha I had an M-14 issued out of Okinawa and the 1911 when I got in country..I never carried a 16 until my 2nd tour in 1969...
Speaking of a dozer there was this fine dust that seemed to be in the air all the time in a lot of South Vietnam.
@@allenelswick6961Gobi desert dandstorms? They can drift thousands of miles ones from the Sahara reach North America and one reached here in Ireland a year ago
"unintentionally"?? He didn't have to go! He could of ran away or went to prison instead of killing kids! He is an evil evil murderer
@@fourseasons2349lots of small arms carried that were not issued. My dad carried an MP-40 in Vietnam, and I carried an AK for a while in Iraq, in 2005.
Nothing has changed, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and many other places. The atrocities continue unabated on innocent people.
I often wonder what kind of man I would be in these terrible situations. Would I have been a murderer in tiger force? Would I have been a Nazi, would I have owned a slave? I hope I would have been a moral man.
A moral man can live with his conscience but you are often given orders that leave you very little choice. My father said in WW2 they were ordered to shoot deserters
Their own side. They all aimed to miss. He said what else could you do?
I would try to get the fuck out of the situation. Throughout history a lot of men had this idea. Hence the nice term you 'are' a 'deserter' was invented.
A quote from Catch 22; the mini series: that atrocities will occur because war centralises power into the hands of those who are most likely to abuse that power.
True but sad.
The mini series? Watch the original movie, vastly superior
Read a book about a Brit who joined the US military and served in Vietnam, he was given the opportunity of joining Tiger Force or the Long Range Recon Patrol (LRRP's), he joined the LRRP's. According to his book, they were comprised of a 4 man group for the purpose of gathering intelligence with the emphasis on *not* being spotted or engaging the enemy if possible, whereas Tiger Force were the brutal military force that would use the LRRP's gathered intelligence to hammer the enemy
I can't remember what he said about Tiger Force's ethos during Vietnam, but he did say that Tiger Force's losses were amazingly higher compared to the limited casualty rates of the LRRP's. The book is called *Fortune Favors The Bold* by James Walker
I’m not a soldier but in my career I get to see the worst in people everyday and every night and it starts to consume you as well. You really have to find a balance to keep your sanity.
Did you not take that career volonterly or have some body force you??🤒🤕💩💯
What's your job
My father served in the PTO. My parents were watching a WWII movie that had atrocities by the Japanese. When my mother remarked about them, my father replied, "You don't know what we did to them (Japanese)."
Americans may have responded to, but they did not bring, atrocities to Asia in WW II. Americans don't skin people alive, and they don't march prisoners to death.
Can you elaborate?
No. He never said anymore. @@fmjjjjn7510
If you knew what the Japanese did in WW2 you would realise.
They could line up people in concentration camps and just shoot anyone they felt like. Everyday that continued. Mostly beheadings as well.
The food was full of maggots.
They had nothing else to eat.
The food was mostly just rice anyway and nothing else.
If you fell ill they usually shot you. You were of no use not good for work. The list is long.
My father hated them in the end. War is an evil you have to live with. He was lucky he made it home from the Pacific. In one piece bodily but the mental scars were there and drank heavily after.
@@fmjjjjn7510use your capacity for abstract thought.
Ask Julian Assange about how the US government reacts to exposure of atrocities committed by its forces. But this is not unique to the US.
This is what war is. You will lose reasons overtime and things will turned ugly really fast.
Where is my compensation for the death of my father that passed away of Agent Orange in 2001?
When you put young men in a situation like the Vietnam War this is what happens. We shouldn't be surprised at the outcome I know I watched it every night on TV in the 1960s and early 1970s
Well said .
Justifying war crimes
@@misterblunderfull8305 Not justifying as much as understanding human behavior .
@@jimmymags6516 I doubt you would say the same if the roles were reversed. The cavalier reductionist attitude towards the victims is classic YT inhuman behavior.
@@misterblunderfull8305 Of course I'd say the same if the roles were reversed . I feel the same about the Confederate soldiers and the Kamikaze pilots .
"All war is hell!"
- William Tecumseh Sherman
Sounds like justification for atrocities. Like "It is war, different rules apply, you cannot judge participant in war by standards of peace".
@narednikmajka2403
It is hardly a justification for atrocities. William Tecumseh Sherman was a general in the Union Army during one of the bloodiest wars in American history. He made an observation based on what he'd personally experienced during very heated, bloody battfield accounts. Maybe you should read more about history?
@@MrJamy610 Like when Sherman and his forces followed a "scorched earth" policy in Georgia? The campaign is regarded by some historians as an early example of modern warfare or total war. There was no honor in Sherman's actions. He could have fought a winning war with some honor and restraint but he didn't and the hell he refers to in that sentence was of his own making. Thus it truly does sound like justification.
@narednikmajka2403
Are you an apologist for the Confederacy?
You seem to forget that the Southern states were in rebellion and also fired the first shot at Fort Sumpter. Sherman did not slaughter civilians, as you seem to be implying, but instead practiced scorched earth policies in an effort to prevent the souths ability to conduct war by destroying their manufacturing, agricultural, and transportation systems. This may have been a harsh strategy, but it brought a much quicker end to the war. You cannot deny that fact, but again, you seem to be a weak student of history.
I suppose you also believe that we should not have dropped atomic bombs on Japan, but instead performed a land in invasion by air and sea risking thousands of casualties ( both civilian and military) and extending the wars duration for possibly years. Sometimes wars are not fought so honorably. If it's a choice of ending a war quickly vs. honorably, I'll take a quick end to wars every time.
Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan are examples of indecisive action and dragging out wars with no strategic or political goals achieved. A waste of human lives and economic waste plus political fall out that will have ramifications for years.
Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone.
+ Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America)
+ I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone.
+ Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America)
+ I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed
++( ❤free plastine ❤)++
+ trump 2024 good luck American
No politicians will never learn
Didn’t George w bush ? Did the same while him and Chaney got rich through Halliburton 😮😢 ?
These stories are extremely important to remember. We must do our best never to repeat these acts. My grandfather Lt. Col. Voorhees wrote a book on his time in korea that brought up some war crimes he saw. He served in ww2 also but didn't talk about it much i know he was scared to death
No wonder a lot of the soldiers didn't want to talk about what happened there, because they were ashamed 😔
That's what bothers me the most.... they shouldn't feel shame this government should feel shame for what they did these men
@@LynetteBishop-v9kna they should feel shame because when we stand in front of god we can’t use the excuse “I was just taking orders” not even your government will save you. Nice try tho smh
Bullshit!! 95 % of the men who served in combat in Vietnam served honorably!! We don't like to talk about because we see the faces of those that died or were disfigured while fighting along side us. Those that boast about what they did or saw usually did either. Were there psychopaths, atrocities yes committed by a handful!! Don't put us all in one basket.
I'm damned proud of my service!!And the shame we felt was because of the treatment we received from our fellow citizens when we came home. That's why we don't talk about it.
@@johnmorales4501spot on Brother, Welcome Home.
I salute you for bringing harsh truth of world on your channel
Can you do a video on Khe San? My Stepdad was a marine there & I took care of him until he passed. He would scream horrifying things & he had dementia. He was scary.
Perhaps the things he did were scarier
I work in a Dementia unit
You don't have to be a combat vet to behave in the manner you're describing
@@Weekend-TravellerIt's not what he did most likely what he SAW. In the second world war it was just the same for all those men fighting. War is so bad men had difficulty explaining half of it. Some soldiers lose their mind in the end. Smoke drugs to continue every day there. Every day could be your last. You just struggle to get to the end of the day. My grandfather was reliving the 1st war as he was passing over going out from this world. 50 plus years later!
He was bringing in the wounded and they had to prioritise who would survive. The dead were being eaten by rats.
If you were not there how can anyone judge. Only God can do that. It is the very worst of situations.
Hehe fun fact.. O thought you said at first... She klan.. now I scrolled past and thought it said Share Con/Kjan ie the Tiger on Jungle book..
And the US and their allies never get accused of war crimes and genocide by the ICC
"The horror, the horror"
My father was in Vietnam 🇻🇳 & Malaysia 🇲🇾 with the British Army. He had plenty skirmishes and stories of helping people, but never encountered any murder. Though there was stories that ‘you just don’t talk about’. In other words, they knew it went on with some.
Delta this Hater that put this video together should have talked to vets who were there.
as if he would have told you about it
That’s just what he told
He lies to u do that he c. Maintain a father image
I think it's a sake of people concentrate on soldiers that were bad, not the ones who were compassionate. No-one makes a great video on them. Remember, what the Viet-Con did to our soldiers, was inhuman. War creates monsters of people who were just ordinary before.
In every war, crimes are committed by all sides. The Vietnam was unique primarily because it was the first brought into American homes via television.
TV the downfall of intelligence...
Because " ignorance is bliss "
Religion is the same...
yeah, its a one sided story
USA always get's away with their war crimes...
Eh radio has also existed so I mean why not apthe same thing as with ww1 and ww2?
Also TV has existed since at LEAST Korea era/days if not the ww2 era?
It wasn't our fight, we never should have been there.
"men who ate as rarely as they slept"... Sounds like meth to me.
Heroin
my dad was drafted… (he & my mom had recently been married, & my sister had just been born) so he ‘volunteered’ for 6 years in a Submarine, vs 3 years IN Vietnam jungles….
(Some of my dad’s drafted friends DID go to Vietnam (in order to be done soon as possible) & either were killed or came ‘back with some CRUEL stories- there was NO accountability, & basically no one in charge, & they went bat $h!t crazy there’ my dad said.
This is the exact type of hubris that led to the eventual disgraceful end of the Vietnam war.
To answer the question "do you think the US government has learned its lesson about covering up atrocities?", I would say I certainely hope not. If there is a lesson to be learned from the story you told, it is that the US government can get away with covering up war crimes and not prosecuting the wrongdoers on a whim, which is a mortifying idea.