Is Memory Unreliable?
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- Skeptics often suggest our memory cannot be used as a reliable tool for discerning what happened in the past, but a lot of research on memory indicates the opposite. Memory is not perfect, but it is not wholly unreliable.
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The fact that there movies like "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" "Super Troopers" "The Princess Bride" etc. where if you bring them up at a party you can probably find 2 or 3 guys that together can almost verbatim reconstruct the entire script, despite not having seen the movie in years, should clue people in that the "memory is unreliable" trope needs a lot more qualification than is usually given when considered as an objection to the accuracy of the gospels.
Jesus wanted his disciples to remember the things he said, during his ministry he sent them out to practice preaching, and they did so more or less continuously after his death until their own.. It's not as though this is a random period of their lives that you're being asked to recall years later out of the blue.
From my experience add pulp fiction to that list lol
Great example.
And Napoleon Dynamite. 😂
Case closed. All the proof I need! 😁👍🏻
hey, are you from Bristol UK, ? I'm just down the road. M4
This is a game-changer for the case for the resurrection. Many people just assume the gospels are unreliable due to them being written later.
“However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you.” Deuteronomy 20:16-17
Remember how you all called Allah satanic for calling for the same commands? 😂
Also , you people call the apocryphal texts / gospels unreliable simply because they were written later as well.. oh but it’s okay to cherry pick right? Christian’s are ridiculously hypocritical.
@@cutthroatindigonot an argument
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My brother in law tried to sell me this; "Memory is unreliable" and therefore the Bible can't be trusted. I pointed out to him a story/memory he told me, an experience he had with my father. My brother in law first told me this memory some 10 years, after the event. It happened in a little town in Mexico. My father, (a few years before passing) was driving, with my brother in law as a passenger (and anyone that ever rode with my father, in Mexico, alway feared for their life, because he drove fast and took what appeared to be many chances, although no one ever died or was even injured) suddenly the two lane road was blocked by a large truck.
My brother in law was sure he was going to die (no time to stop). Suddenly my father swung the car around and behold, no one died. I asked my brother in law if that story/memory would change in another 20 years. My brother in law tried to shift the issue by saying, "yes! if he got Alzheimer's," I pointed out that my father died 34 years ago and therefore, today, 37 year after the event, did my brother in law have a different story/memory? He said "NO! the story/memory was the same." I pointed out that the events of the NT were of the same nature as his experience when he feared for his life, and therefore, memory, under such circumstances is reliable. All it did was anger my brother in law and he simply told me that all my reliance and belief based on the Bible, was my "opinion."
That’s actually really embarrassing for him
Your BIL is one dude. Yet there were at least 12+ witnesses to the resurrection- and absolutely no accounts contradict them.
Yet he has the gull to imply his memory is better than those who witnessed the resurrection?
Couldn’t be me
@@gianni206 Actually my BIL (age 64a) was convinced, due to what he viewed as the thinking of young people and what Bart Erhman says about memory, that it is totally unreliable. My point to him was to show him, according to his own memory, was that the premise is in error. That memory, when applied to a "game" or everyday mundane happenings can be unreliable. however, according to his own experience and his telling of a memory, under certain circumstance, it is very reliable. He may have been embarrassed, but it came out in anger. My point was only directed to him.
Personal memories/experiences become deeply embedded in one's own memory.
My parents still remembered situations from the war and post-war period that evoked strong emotions. (They were small children at the time, born just before the war started)
Some of the situations can also be found in history books from this time, which in turn awakens my (my family's) memories of my parents' stories.
I myself have memories of experiences that are not everyday and can even be found in newspaper articles from almost 40 years ago. And in one of these memories I was only informed in hindsight and can still remember the situation before and after the event.
So when the early disciples and followers of Jesus Christ read/heard/recited the texts from the (for us)Old Testament, this certainly also awakened the memory of the Lord's words and the events.
@@manub.3847 When addressing the atheist attack on the Bible due to the "telephone game," It is a good thing to point out reality in one's own life regarding the reliability of memory. I agree, some events in life are unforgettable.
There's another point to be made. I do not like to talk about things as if there is no God. How could anyone spend 3 1/2 years in the presence of God, under extremely threatening circumstances and not remember what happened or what was said. Jesus said many remarkable and unforgettable things that neither ear has heard or eye has seen.
What about those who memorized the verses of the Quran?
Are they reliable too?
Another nifty thing that ties together with this - is how well the Gospel accounts accord with one another, despite the different authors and where they likely wrote them from.
Conspiracies are hard to maintain even in close range, and pressure can dissolve them even then. Yet distant disciples under threat by Rome still gave harmonizing accounts.
Nice point
@@tomasrocha6139 They may have used each other as a source to supplement details that they themselves were missing.
Look up undesigned coincidences. UCs are evidence that they really are true stories. With this in mind, we can still acknowledge that the synoptic problem exists while also allowing for the gospels to be truth.
I remember as a very little kid being in a hospital for two days, my father told me it never happened. I was convinced it was a false memory and accepted it as such until I was trying to join the Navy the the recruiter looked at my medical history and said “hay did you know you where in the hospital for two days as small child?”
It's surprising that the classic techniques of Roman Rooms or Memory Palace aren't being discussed. I am competing in a memory competition this October, and we are using those techniques.
John took care of Mary for many years after the crucifixion and resurrection, and would have been able both to remember his own experience and talk to her about her memory of it as well, and it doesn't get much more personal than a mother's memory of her son's violent death and then resurrection.
The Theotokos seems to have played an important role in Luke’s and Matthew’s accounts as well. If it’s true that Joseph had died way before Jesus began His public ministry, it makes sense to assume that Mary was the primary source for all information regarding Jesus’ infancy and youth. Not to mention the unique nature of mother-son relationships.
@@aericabison23 Joseph had to have been dead, or Jesus making sure his mother was provided for as he hung on the Cross would have made no sense.
@@aericabison23bro it is saying that directly in the text “Mary remembered all the words in her heart”
Great video! ... The different types of memories are fascinating. I still remember loads of songs from 30 years ago that we used to sing in 1st grade in school. (I have not sang them out loud since then, nor really thought about them either)
One question, the owner of this channel was refuted by a trinity debate by denny
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Lots of good stuff here. I also like to point out that significant skepticism with respect to memory risks being self-defeating. After all, to the extent that one is skeptical of the evidential value of memory, they will have to be skeptical of whatever reasons led them to that skepticism of memory since those reasons are themselves memories.
Yep, it's a lot like the skeptic's "If God appeared before me, I would waive it away as a mere hallucination." If you're willing to waive any possible proof of God as just a bunch of hallucinations (that all corroborate and align with one another, which hallucinations tend to not do, but I digress), why could I not just say "How do you know you aren't just a brain in a jar hallucinating everything right now? Surely if you can waive away all proof of God as hallucinations, why can you just waive away proof of anything and everything as one big hallucination? How do you know you aren't hallucinating me right now?"
Same case with Occam's Razor; that the simplest explanation is the most likely. (Though, skeptics tend to forget the second part; the simplest explanation *that also best fits all the data*. Again, I digress.) They claim that God is unnecessary because it's the more complex theory...compared to a bunch of ad-hoc reasoning about hallucination-this and legendary-development-that and he-lied-here and she-lied-here, and some vast conspiracy to remove Christ's body from the tomb....for no personal gain, and despite all the witnesses that would've noticed a bunch of Jews moving a body out of a tomb, etc. They claim that no matter how ad-hoc (made up on the spot) you get, it's still less complex than saying "some silly God must exist", right? Well, if they wanna go down that route, one must conclude you're just a brain that happened to randomly "pop" in a vast nothingness from nothing, that's hallucinating all reality, because that's wayyy simpler than an entire universe coming from nothing, right?
If your counter-argument becomes a universal acid that can erode literally any position (or the concept of objective reality itself) without modification, it's a poor argument.
it also throws away a ton of history into the trash
Not if those reasons are on video
@tesladrew2608 the problem still applies to videos. If memory is substantially unreliable, then you have no reason for thinking that what you believe that you saw earlier in the video is what you really saw by the end of the video.
@@faithbecauseofreason8381with that logic, you might as well say we're in a simulation because we can't prove otherwise
IP, you never cease to amaze me! These studies contradict Ehrman's affirmations.
Great video. Frankly, all of this is pretty obvious to everyone. We all have accurate memories of our past, things we've done, places we've been, etc. Does this mean all of our memories are accurate or that we remember everything? Of course not. But we also do have accurate memories. The more powerful the event, the stronger the memory, as well. Personally important events are also long remembered. If someone sees a close associate rise from the dead, it is absurd to think they just forgot what really happened after a few years or decades.
Another great video! Amazing job IP, this was a very helpful one for me.
Thank you
If a guy rose from the dead, I'd remember the heck out of every bit of that.
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It depends on how you train your mind. The Greeks for example were among the first to develop the association method. They would image when they were in a room and would place the memory in that room. When they traveled to that room in their mind they would see the memory. We still use the same method today. For example when I study Greek I try to think of a related English word that sounds similar. Those Greek words are easiest for me to remember. The Greek words that I can't relate to are much harder to remember.
That sounds like how I did so well in college. I might not be able to recall a term or an example but I could visualize the page in the textbook where it was and then I'd remember. Used to drive my friends crazy because I didn't need to study as much
@@tayh.6235I struggled in school, then struggled with Bible passage (or portions of) memory later on when I became a Christian. But when I started to just see the page in my mind, then it all suddenly became so easy!
There's evidence that other cultures had similar techniques in the passage of oral history, so I doubt the Greeks were the first.
@@blanktrigger8863 Culture like money is fungible. It's who finally passes it on in writing who gets the credit. For example drill bits were in existence for quite a while, yet it was Howard Hughes attorney father who filed the patents. Howard Hughes inherited millions from his father, whom in turn took credit for other's inventions.
@@stevelenores5637 Normally I would agree, but when there's evidence, the evidence supersedes whether or not what's evidenced is passed on writing. Writing only matters when there is no other evidence.
Great vid, thanks tons.
Glad you mentioned that these aren't memories that would have not been discussed for years and then suddenly written down. They would have been repeating and repeating them regularly and often.
There was a student in our Grade 10 class that was with us for just a year. I haven't thought of him for years, and the only other friend of mine that would remember him died a few years ago.
If my friend were still alive, chatting with him would help me remember more details and would have helped me to recall the student more accurately.
I think that's a key point, because these discussions would have been extensive and constant because these would have been pivotal moments in all their lives. Not only would the discussion have kept the recollections fresh, but the gospel authors would have spoken to different people, and hearing different tellings would help correct errors.
Brilliant work, brother.
Your research of reflected findings keeps getting more potent as you present more solid evidence with each passing video presentation.
Keep up the good work.
Love how you started this video like a newspaper article, presenting the issue and giving us the solution from the beginning!
What a fascinating angle to take! It makes a lot of sense, I’m surprised people figured out that was a thing they could research and apply on this topic.
Really helpful and informative video on a topic I've never personally seen covered to this extent. God bless you brother
Also you have to keep in mind that the disciples permanently kept talking about the events when preaching, it's no surprise that they remember it well even after some years
Very good point repetition would certainly help memory
Notice how all of Jesus’ words seem to have a sing-song nature to them? This is a typical rabbinic teaching method. It helped the Apostles remember Jesus’ words and life better.
Very interesting video! Great job 😎
Excellent work IP,keep it up 💯👏
Thank you. This makes a lot of sense when you work through the issue
Great video. Great scholarship as usual.
The Tycho knock off tune that came in at 9:45 had me laughing 🤣 Amazing how close you can make a song sound without getting sued. Well done 🎉
Great video, very informative.
I think memories are fake.
Wait does that mean I forget to brea-
*HELP*
December 8, 2013 was on a Sunday. In St. Louis, it was mostly cloudy most of the day, with a brief moment where they sky was partially blue around noon. The temperature was chilly, mostly around freezing, but maybe as high as 50-60F around 2:00PM, but the temperatures fell around 4-6PM as cloudy weather was blowing in. By dark it was probably about 20-30F. A specific church called The Journey: Tower Groove played What Wondrous Love that morning and Webster University was doing the show Smokey Joes. I could go on for hours upon hours recounting every detail of this day. Memories of special moments in our lives are very powerful.
Great video. One note: you should just start the video over again at the five minute mark to mess with people.
I remember after 9-11 everyone kept saying "Never Forget." I was a young kid so I didn't fully understand it but I pretty much remember everything from 2001 to now. Certain things I will never forget. Especially the irregular 9-11 type of events. The Holy Bible IS the Word of God.
By far my favorite video from you. They’re all great work, but this video solidifies the fruitfulness of the words of the gospels to be true.
awesome stuff michael
I had an experience lately that shows one issue here. I saw a man who was acting in an irregular and erratic manner. I did not understand what was going on and made some quick observations which were confusing to me. In this case, it was not my memory that was the problem; it was my initial perception of what I saw. Over the course of the day, several people observed the same person. They saw things with more accuracy. They observed for a longer period of time and had video they could review. They had a more accurate initial observation.
I’m glad you talked about this, not only for the Resurrection story, but everyday life.
Some marriage counselors are jumping on the “memory is unreliable” train. And if a person says they were abused and the spouse doesn’t agree, they are told their memory might just be making it up.
This might be anecdotal, but some people have incredible memory recall and photographic memory. I remember things from years ago as if they happened yesterday. I even went to my childhood home not too long ago to see how much my memories had been warped, only to find that the only difference was everything being much smaller than I had remembered. That's easily explained by the fact that I was significantly smaller when I lived there.
However, I had remembered the finest details with 100% accuracy - where the trees were positioned, the colour of the shutters, the design of the front door, the smell, and even all the animal stickers I put all over the walls in my room.
I can even remember comments I've made (verbally and via text) months, even years ago.
Not everyone has this trait, but from my experience talking with other people I share memories with, I've seen that human memory isn't that unreliable, at least not as much as some of the comments before me make it out to be.
Great video, Michael! In addition to memory being a key factor to the Gospels’ accuracy, I think literacy is as well. There have been a couple studies and archeological finds (ledgers and ink wells, for instance) that suggest literacy was far greater and widespread than originally thought in 2nd Temple Judea.
Since the disciples were literally disciples, I’d imagine Jesus’ teachings/sayings may have been written down by one or more of the disciples in real time. (I don’t think this is that far-fetched given the argumentation for the alleged Q source…)
Memory and literacy make a powerful combination!
This reminds me of how in the series “The Chosen”, Apostle Matthew is shown taking down the Beatitudes as Jesus dictates them to him. He is frequently shown carrying around a notebook and a pen. Seems like this depiction of the Apostle has some basis in reality.
Thank you great video!!!!!
I could swear that I watched this video before. 🤔
Thank you for all the research and work you've put into producing these videos.
You have provided extremely valuable knowledge sources for those of us who are active
In defending our faith in Jesus.
an atheist once said that 500 people who saw the resurrection of Jesus, some of them were fake, because according to research, there were several people who said that they had experienced a tragedy but actually never experienced it (false memories). How do to respond?
Can the same hallucination happen to hundreds of people?
My grandfather is 86 and he can recall stories from when he was 16 in detail
Edit: specifically, the story of the night his father was murdered. Which gives credibility to the fact that it’s extremely easy to retain memory of traumatic events such as someone rising from the dead.
How many people here, who saw 9/11 live, have a hard time remembering it?
Anyone?
Didn't think so.
22 years and I can still get right the city, number of planes, attacked building, who were the attackers and where they came from, etc.
great topic
Another important couple of facts one can draw from this is, ancient practices for teaching work with how our memory works. And Christ is a good Teacher Who knew what He was doing in His form of teaching method usage.
This should be put in the resurrection playlist
Great video :) for those who are open minded, the evidence is out there!
At least since Freud we've been asked to deal with subconscious motivations and forces that intrude and often reshape our past. Trauma can even block, erase or completely rewrite what happened. Certainly, in the field of religion and hagiography, there would be a tendency to edit the past, sanitize it and record what is positive and forget the bad or contradictory. In history, the historian is tasked with trying to NOT introduce bias. Of course, that is never perfect. Can believers really be relied upon to be objective? Maybe, maybe not
Memory of members in literate societies and oral cultures are very different. There needs to be identification if people in these studies are from literate or oral cultures
My only critique of this video was that it did not engage directly with Dr Loftus's (I think?) research of false memory. It is probably the most troubling as she showed that you can force a false memory. Not that that is a coherent theory of the gospels, mind you. Just troubling about memory in general. Otherwise, it's pretty good. Perhaps a sequel?? Hint hint nudge nudge.
Hi, IP. I hope you are well. Have you also interacted with Dale Allison’s, “Constructing Jesus: History, Memory, and Imagination”? He comes to similar conclusions than you and the authors you mentioned, but is slightly more sceptical.
Hey IP!
Can you make a video explaining this verse:
"My Father is greater than I"(John 14:28)
Muslims use this verse whitout reading in context,i think this verse simply means that God The Father is more known/praised than The Son.
I don t think that Jesus meant He s not God here...but muslim skeptics use this verse always!(they don t read in context)
Thank you for your work,you've helped me a lot with maintaining my faith.
❤
I don’t see why “Q” as it’s called couldn’t be the first gospel they wrote down and then the 4 gospels all are the other disciples writing them down in their ministry, since that’s how you made books back then
One question you sir was refuted by denny??
A couple details regarding accounts of Jesus with differing details:
1. Ancient biographies of the time compressed timelines, shifted events, and focused on different details when retelling the ssme event frequently.
2. Jesus preached for 3 years. But you can read through the gospels over the weekend. You really think Jesus only discussed something once? More likely he spoke time and again of the same subjects (teachings, parables, etc) to different audiences, so it's not like the apostles had to write down or memorize every word on the spot like Anne Hattaway in The Devil Wears Prada when her boss whispered instructions one time only (most could not even count their own ears without repeating the same number) or else it was missed forever... 1
Memory is really just a form and of sensation, and anything evidence which serves to invalidate sensation would be invalidated by itself, as one can only understand evidence via sensation
Sounds exciting. Maybe I’ll donate once I’m not a broke kid trying to get into college
Ehh isn't worth the tuition
@@reyis_here945 going to community college first and going for computer science so I don’t get caught in the debt trap
@@reyis_here945 Unless you're extremely talented and you're able to start up your own successful business from scratch, most of us need to prove that we aren't completely dumb for employers to take us seriously enough to give us respectable jobs. That's why it's handy to have a CV with your degree on it.
If memory was unreliable, I shouldn’t be able to remember the entire Lion King script complete with the correct music score 🤣 Human memory is quite amazing.
This will be interesting, a memory is just what you remember the last time you thought about something.
Can you make a video on the objection that Paul contradicted Jesus? I'm not too sure how to respond to this claim.
Hi, I have a question about Kabbalah. Is it sinful if you practice it and why? Solomon Ali used sort of magic. Can you explain it?
The Kabbalah is a form of Qaaba Al Lah, the cube of Allah. The Qaaba Allah is the black cubed building in Mecca that houses the Black Stone. That's a very old meteorite that, when a believer kisses it absorbs their sins and the person is saved.
It (supposedly) used to be white, but turned black because of the sin it absorbed. Actually it had to do with a fertility and prostitution cult and menstrual blood was applied to it. The iron in blood makes it darken over time.
Black Rock Company, Black Box (5G) and Harry Blackstone the magician are almost no doubt named after it.
A rock that takes your sin away, but if you sin again after kissing it you can onlyredeem yourself and still go to paradise if you kill an unbeliever who refuses to convert. Or several. I don't know if you get the seventy two virgins in the second deal, though.
To me I don't want anything to do with it, it's pagan, not at all related to the Holy Spirit. To me, it's of the flesh and the human self, it's witchcraft. It ignores the Gospel.
I don't know the particulars of the practice, but I have had enough experiences of people who practice magic, satan worship etc., that it's a destructive art or set of beliefs. Very strong delusion related.
Gotta remember they didn't have tvs or anything of that i believe that effects memories
Is memory unreliable?
....ah....man....I don't remember.
It’s about as unreliable and deceptive at times as this “inspiring philosophy” guy.
Please read this with an open mind and heart 👁️❤️ before completely ignoring this statement.. this message comes from Christ himself… I am no antichrist.. the people you idolize and go to for religious ideas are the true anti christs.. this message comes from the guidance of Christ and my own esoteric and religious background knowledge ✝ ❤️🙌🏻 The Holy Spirit is our divine essence(the feminine and masculine). The father is the earth/ land.. and the son(sun) is the physical body which contains heat and energy. We’re connected to the earth, our divine essence, and our physical bodies. That’s the concept of the holy trinity explained for you religious folks. Egyptians and many civilizations saw the earth as masculine way before any monotheistic religion . So when (I) Jesus says “oh FATHER why have you forsaken me” he’s really saying “oh people of earth why have you forsaken me” for preaching unity and oneness with god. You people are Devil worshippers. Yahweh has no connection to Jesus. Notice how Jesus never speaks of Yahweh, only the father and the Holy Spirit? Hmmm that’s odd. Yet he does speak of Satan.. Yahweh was the false devil / Satanic god of the Old Testament. You people turn your backs on Jesus to this very day by partaking in these demonic religions. Jesus fought against false religions.. that includes the one you all created to pervert his teachings. Wake up you lil sheeps, you’re being played from all sides... he’s well aware of demonic entities presenting themselves as gods considering his people are among the very many civilizations that spoke on the anunnaki.. the very beings that are tricking you all with these monotheistic religions. Wake up people please. Come to Jesus , but don’t accept that false god of Yahweh along with him.. if you worship both you won’t ever achieve true freedom from Satan. All monotheistic people worship devils in disguise. Jesus fought against false religions (that counts Christianity) yet you all apparently accept him as your savior and still associate Yahweh with Jesus? When Jesus never speaks of Yahweh, just the father and the Holy Spirit. “Christianity” is the direct mocking and insulting of Jesus Christ our lord and savior. The Old Testament “god” Yahweh was a vengeful, sacrificial , demonic ba$tard whom Jesus was fighting AGAINST. Not WITH. The New Testament comes around and now there’s free will etc because Jesus was attempting to save you all.. not from “Satan”.. but your “god” Yahweh. You people turn your backs on Jesus everyday. You can’t accept Yahweh and Jesus Christ into your heart at the same time.. Christ was fighting yahweh/ Satan. The Bible was written purposefully tricky and deceitful to where it’s hard for people to get to and grasp the full truth. Wake up sheeps. I’m so tired of sam calling others “satanic bastards” when he’s one himself. An accuser, an adversary, liar, a deceiver, and a manipulatorconsidering he’s Assyrian.. the people that wrote tales of false beings presenting themselves as a god (Anunnaki). You all are being deceived from all angles.. the Jews, the Christian’s, and the Muslims have everyone in a choke hold because they can’t let go of devilish foolish monotheistic concepts. It’s what they want though… Christian’s and monotheistic religious folks WANT to be servants of devils. It’s gross and demonic.. Jesus would be ashamed of all of you. All of the entities talked about in the Bible aren’t connected directly to each other. Yahweh isn’t connected to the Holy Spirit, father, and son. Jesus isn’t connected to Yahweh. He’s connected to the father (earth), the son (sun)/ our physical bodies which contain heat and energy, and the Holy Spirit which is the divine essence (masculine and feminine) coming together. Jesus knew all of this and it’s exactly why he separated himself from the false gods and false religions and started fighting against Yahweh and his followers. How can you all be accepting of Jesus as your savior, when you still associate him with Yahweh.. the Satan (accuser/ adversary) of us and Jesus? These figures aren’t all directly connected to one another.. you people just read it like that because the Bible was written to be deceiving and confusing. Yahwehs connection is to Satan.. which is just a title for a dark demonic being.. which is what your false god of yahweh is.. Christ was fighting against yahweh with the power of the father, the son, and the holy spirit.. you people are just too weak and blind to understand the meanings. It’s okay though that’s why Jesus is coming back. 🙌🏻💯👊🏻. The Old Testament god commits multiple sins throughout the story.. (pride, greed, envy(or jealousy), wrath) .. it’s debatable on the other sins… meanwhile Jesus doesn’t. That should tell people everything they need to know that Yahweh is actually satan.. but people can’t wake their minds up to the bigger picture.. . My brothers I know you’re reading this and blocking my posts but please fully accept Jesus as your savior and stop being a satanic religious cult member accusing others and being the adversary (which is the definition of Satan) just like your “god” Yahweh from the Bible. Wake up Mike . I hope you’re not among the deceivers.
I mentioned sam (mikes friend) in this because he’s also a Satan accusing people like Sam is. All of your Christian “scholars” and “philosophers” are about as deceptive or even more deceptive of their religion than Islam .. at least Islamic people are coming around and have for awhile admitting their religion is a bit contradictory and confusing.. Christian’s on the other hand..
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So not at all
@@cutthroatindigoreally? How do you know?
Do you think the difference between John and the Synoptics is significant enough to argue at least one of the Disciple’s memories are in error?
John’s Gospel seems to be more of an appendix-with-an-agenda, ie he wrote the Gospel with the purpose of sharing information not found in the previous three and with the purpose of clearly spelling out who Jesus is and what He came to do. Besides, he was one of the “inner three” of the Apostles and would have been privy to a lot of information that ended up in the Synoptics (besides his own account).
Memories can be vile, repulsive little brutes. Like children, I suppose.
But can we live without them? Memories are what our reason is based upon. If we cannot face them, we deny reason itself!
IP, I literally was just thinking of this an hour ago, I wanted to save my knowledge in AIs because of forgetting, taking long to remember and Etc. I was thinking that the human mind is flawed and AIs are flawless, if not flawless they’re still much better than humans. Let me watch this video.
i love this video
I have a genuine question. I always hear Christians say that the authors of the Bible were guided by the Holy Spirit to write their books but in their way of writing. Thus written by man, but God-breathed. Question is, how do we know that the books of the Bible are the official books written through the Holy Spirit, and other books around the same time were NOT written via the Holy Spirit (thus kept out of the canon)?
Because we believe the authors of each book of the new testament was actually connected to jesus in some way and his earliest followers
And thus it makes no sense for the holy spirit to guide authors that don't have a connection too jesus and his movemant
Because ALL of the forged books have some mistakes
Like, they are written late
They are written by unreliable groups like the gnóstics
But the gospels and our books in the entire bible are ALL really reliable and written early
There IS a Lot more reasons
Just do some research
I think ip did a vídeo about this, but i dont know
You have to read about the early Church fathers. Ask yourself, do you desire truth enough to at least read what cannot be posted in a few TH-cam comments. If you want instant gratification with minimal effort then you may never find out.
Seems to me you could simply ask people how well they remember an excellent teacher they studied under and analyze that result. That would probably tell you how well the apostles remembered Jesus.
Why is slippery slope considered a fallacy, even though empirically speaking, world politics and human history confirms that more often than not, the slippery slope turns out to be the correct assumption in the end (because it is difficult to reverse an ongoing trend)?
I mean it's not guaranteed to be happening, but it is the most realistic assumption, so it shouldn't be considered a fallacy.
The key word is likely
He didn’t even mention the fact the there is evidence that notes where taken. Like the gospels where written later that doesn’t mean that nothing was written then
There was no instant media two thousand years ago. Testing of memory suggests that viewing broadcast television shortens attention spans. Perhaps the Apostles had a better memory than that of modern people.
Something about thumbnail image is distirbing... maybe it's just for me.
We must remember also ( lol )
Jesus would have taught the same thing over and over again . Especailly , he would have to repeat a teaching for any new followers joining .
Nevermind . Jesus disciples would of also had to learn jesus teachings in order to spread it themselves .
Also since jesus had 12 then 11 apponited disciples . They would all be able to correct false memories amongst eachother
Is Memory Unreliable?
Me wondering about class assignments due even though I never took that class in the middle of the night.
Interesting.
Memories of today were far different from memories during the time of Jesus. Example, FDA puts things in our food, water, medication etc... during Jesus or more recent 1700s, were considered better without pollution, FDA putting things in foods etc... I believe in the gospel & put trust in God that Jesus' teachings being true. Nobody can change my mind on this. One last thing and just bear with me on this, what if Jesus Christ made sure the disciples memories were better so that way they could not have any mistakes while they wrote the gospel. Nothing backs that theory up it's just something to think about. It's kind of like if we knew everything there was to know about God there would be no point in growing in faith and love with him. So maybe just maybe there are some things left out so we can grow in faith. That's my theory. I will trust the gospels with all my heart.
Let's compare the stories and see if it looks like "reliable memories" or not.
Paul is our earliest and only verified firsthand account in the entire New Testament from someone who claims to have "seen" Jesus. He is also the only verified firsthand account we have from someone who claims to have met Peter and James - Gal. 1:18-19. Paul does not give any evidence of anything other than "visions" or "revelations" of Jesus. The Greek words ophthe, horao and apokalupto do not necessarily imply the physical appearance of a person. Peter and James certainly would have told Paul about the time they touched Jesus or watched him float to heaven and these "proofs" (Acts 1:3) would have certainly been helpful in convincing the doubting Corinthians in 1 Cor 15 and also help clarify the type of body the resurrected would have (v. 35). So the details are very conspicuous in their absence here.
Mark does not narrate any appearances so no help here either. He predicts Jesus will be "seen" in Galilee but the narrative ends with the women leaving the tomb and telling no one because they were afraid.
Matthew adds onto Mark's narrative but has Jesus suddenly appear to the women on their way to tell the disciples! It says they grabbed his feet which is not corroborated by any other account. Then, Jesus appeared to the disciples on a mountain in Galilee, another uncorroborated story, and says some even doubted it! (Mt. 28:17) So the earliest narrative doesn't even support the veracity of the event! Why would they doubt when they had already witnessed him the same night of the Resurrection according to Jn. 20:19?
Luke - All of Luke's appearances happen in or around Jerusalem which somehow went unnoticed by the authors of Mark and Matthew. Jesus appears to two people on the Emmaus Road who don't recognize him at first. Jesus then suddenly vanishes from their sight. They return to tell the other disciples and a reference is made to the appearance to Peter (which may just come from 1 Cor 15:5 since it's not narrated). Jesus suddenly appears to the Eleven disciples (which would include Thomas). This time Jesus is "not a spirit" but a "flesh and bone" body that gets inspected, eats fish, then floats to heaven while all the disciples watch - conspicuously missing from all the earlier reports. Luke omits any appearance to the women and implies they *didn't* see Jesus. Acts 1:3 adds the otherwise unattested claim that Jesus appeared over a period of 40 days and says Jesus provided "many convincing proofs he was alive" which shows the stories were apologetically motivated. There is no evidence that Luke intended to convey Jesus ever appeared to anyone in Galilee. It looks as though the Galilean appearance tradition has been erased by Luke.
John - the ascension has become tradition by the time John wrote (Jn. 3:13, 6:62, 20:17). Jesus appears to Mary outside the tomb who does not recognize him at first. Then, Jesus who now can teleport through locked doors, appears to the disciples minus Thomas. A week later we get the Doubting Thomas story where Jesus invites Thomas to poke his wounds. This story has the apologetic purpose that if you just "believe without seeing" you will be blessed. Lastly, there is another appearance by the Sea of Galilee in Jn. 21 in which Jesus appears to seven disciples. None of these stories are corroborated except for the initial appearance (which may draw upon Luke). It looks as though the final editor of John has tried to combine the disparate traditions of appearances.
Okay, so if one wants to claim this evolution in the data is indicative of "reliable memory/testimony" then the onus is on them to provide other examples of data that grows in a similar way but is also considered reliable reporting. Until then, a growing legend remains the best explanation of the data.
What about those who memorized the verses of the Quran, especially before the canonization of the Quran by Uthman Caliphate?
But, I read in Answering Islam website that memorization is unreliable. 👀
So, the consclusion is: it's unreliable for the Quran, but not for the Gospels, aka double standard. 👀
hey i have a question to which i havent been able to find the answer to so i was hoping maybe you'd be able to help me with it.
If God is all knowing, that means he also knows what all of his future thoughts and actions will be, which means all of his thoughts and actions have been pre-determined, which would mean he doesnt have free will.
but if he doesnt have the power to change his mind then he isnt all powerful?
Hi there, friend. I noticed a premise that was problematic with the question. I think you incorrectly assumed that God moves alongside time as humans do. That is to say, God is beyond time and space (He is transcendent), and doctrine has it that God exists in every time frame simultaneously. In Thomism God is the Unmoved Mover (He changes everything else, but is not changed Himself), and change requires time and space. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to think His perception of time to be like us humans. Now, since God is beyond time I do not think He can possibly know His future thoughts, because for Him there is no 'future' as everything is happening here and now from His perspective.
@@Contra.Mundum. yea thats something ive thought of as well, but by saying god cant know his future thoughts wouldnt that deny his omnipotence?
@@luvroreo No, I wouldn't say so as something that is clearly self-contradictory cannot limit God's power.
@@Contra.Mundum. so by god being above space time (and everything else) and therefore not being bound by it, the concept of time doesnt affect him and he doesnt have future thoughts which he could know? or is it rather that due to him exisiting in every time frame his thoughts are all "simultaneous" in a way?
@@luvroreo The latter. As I have said, God would not have a 'future', and subsequently any future thoughts, for everything is happening simultaneously from his perspective. I could be wrong, but this is what seems most logical to me.
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Major events are remembered accurately, but details get fuzzy.
If we accept the papers citied are correct and there is credible evidence that deeply personal memories are more reliable, why do the number of angelic accounts vary at the tomb? Is this like remembering there was one, two, or three planes that hit the world trade tower on 911?
Hey IP..can you make a video on this subject?...its interesting:
Acts 7:16 contradicts genesis 23:16?
And if yes,my oppinion is that a man can make a mistake for sure....just like Muhamad made a mistake when he said Christ wasn't crucified.
And Muhamad was also supported by his god🤷
Mathew Marc Luke are the same because it confirms truth.
The problem with their claim is memory is only unreliable in fields of law, which makes sense because if all you do is have a thought something is true, you shouldn't be able to convict someone and ruin their life because of it. But if someone tells me they remember a joke from a sitcom or some controversial thing that I don't remember, I just take it as poor memory on my part. For any claim that does no harm then memory is perfectly adequate, it is when it does harm to believe something with conviction that I need more than memory.
Mandella effect is Real
W.
This might be a dumb question but
does the bible say anything against calisthenics?
Have you seen the Messiah 2030 video doing the rounds? Wonder what you thought of that?
New International Version:
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
New Living Translation:
But when the Father sends the Advocate as My representative-that is, the Holy Spirit-He will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.
English Standard Version:
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Berean Standard Bible:
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
Berean Literal Bible:
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things and will bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you.
King James Bible:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
New American Standard Bible:
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and remind you of all that I said to you.
Legacy Standard Bible:
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Amplified Bible:
But the Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor-Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will help you remember everything that I have told you.
Christian Standard Bible:
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you.
Holman Christian Standard Bible:
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit-the Father will send Him in My name-will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you.
American Standard Version:
But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.
John 14
Thanks, I was looking for this. That is exactly what I remember, the Spirit helps us remember what we were taught.
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INSPIRING PHILOSOPHY HELP ME! I in the old testament there is a story of a man who got a withered hand. In the new t. Jesus heals a man with a withered hand, but I could not find anywhere what kind of sickness this could be, so it looks like this kind of sickness doesnt exist. So this it looks like a miracle of Jesus that was invented and copied from old testament. Could you help me with this doubt?
I would say memory is more reliable that we're lead to believe. The whole Mandela effect thing is a psyop
These are the same arguments that Apostolic churches argue for tradition
Michael would you like to go on Chuck show?
The what?
I think that just experiencing a miracle is kind of like a 911 event, so witnessing those events on a regular basis accompanied by Jesus' teachings would result in accurate recall of events.
It seems to me a naive assumption that nothing whatsoever was written about Jesus and His teachings within the first few years after His death until the first recognized Gospel simply because we don’t have access to additional writings. There are undoubtedly mountains of literature that didn’t survive from that time until now.
Some may have been notes, proto-Gospels, letters, Didache style leaflets, or other more advanced information/parables/commandments, provided by Christian apologists, disciples, and Apostles, to groups of new converts in countless town/cities all over the vast territories they traveled to.
Moreover, the Apostles and disciples who spent years with Jesus would certainly have obeyed His commandment to convert all nations, requiring each of them to be apologists of profound knowledge and understanding of the life and teaching of Christ in order to spread the Truth reliably and consistently, 24/7/365.
Would it not be reasonable to speculate that the Apostles, primary disciples, and trusted deacons, would have spent thousands of hours per year living, preaching, and explaining the Faith? Meaning, their memories would likely have remained as fresh as the day of the Crucifixion. Wouldn’t it also be reasonable that these primary persons had at least one or more scribes to document not only the Faith but the history of the early Church? Some of this documentation did end up in the Bible, such as the writings of St. Paul, while others may not have survived to be included, remained within local communities, or lacked sufficient provenance. These are just some reasons that lead me to believe long term memory alone is a very poor marker to measure the accuracy of the New Testament or the Bible, in general.
Does anyone remember Isaiah 65:25 without looking it up?