If Jesus is God, How can God Die? | Sam Shamoun

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  • @AnswersTheology
    @AnswersTheology  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In @AdventDefenseLeague latest response, they were unable to answer the contention Soul Sleep has with Christology.
    To put it short, Jesus can not cease to exist because God can not cease to exist. If it was only Jesus' human nature that ceased, this is a heresy called Nestorianism. The seperation of the Human and Divine nature of Jesus.
    This was my response on their video:
    "So Jesus' human nature ceased consciousness in the Tomb?
    This is an ideology called Nestorianism, the seperation of the Humanity and Divinity of Christ. According to the Cappadocian formulation of the Trinity the Humanity and Divinity are inseparable. It's a "mystery" because Adventist Christology breaks down with their soul sleep presupposition.
    This is enough to reject soul sleep because in order to hold this position. One must admit that Jesus' human nature was unconscious and separated from His Divine Nature. Or, hold the consistent view of the Pioneers such as E.G Waggoner and the other Non-Trinitarian Adventist that say since Jesus is a lesser deity He was able to cease.
    Devon tried to answer the controversy of who is running the universe while Jesus is dead by saying "Though Jesus is fully dead, the Father is still alive" 25:56, Jesus and the Father are of one essence. If Jesus' essence ceases, the Fathers essence ceases. That is Sams whole point, if Jesus' death mean cessation of existence. You can't have the Trinity, one person in the Trinity can not cease because God would cease. That is why the Bible must teach consciousness after death if it is Trinitarian.
    Also Son holds all things together Colossians 1:15-17, without the Logos there is no created order. Another reason as to why Jesus' death could not mean a cessation of existence.
    I've yet to see this issue addressed."

    • @chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz
      @chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      according to Christianity Jesus was like Hindu god never die. But in this world when the soul leaves the body it means that the person dies. It does not come back a 2nd time in that body. According to Christianity this is exceptional for Jesus. Jesus' soul left his body and wandered for 3 days and 3 nights and returned to his body. hypocrisy has limit but the companions of Jesus transgressed the limit. Matthew12:40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. what's its meaning? means Jesus was alive in the tomb. but the hypocrites says Jonah was alive but Jesus died.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jesus DIED. Eye witness testimony proves it.
      Peter speaking for the Apostles said:
      Acts 3:15 whereas you (ie the Jews) KILLED the Chief Agent of life. BUT GOD RAISED HIM UP FROM THE DEAD, of which fact WE ARE WITNESSES.
      Jesus would still be dead and nonexistent had not God intervened and brought Jesus back into existence.
      The problem people have is starting off believing that Jesus was God and then trying to fit scriptures to that idea.
      Jesus was NEVER God. Not even for a millisecond.
      'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Jesus was SEEN by John and tons of others.
      Anyone who reads the Bible is expected to know who a SON is. Jesus is God's SON (John 1:34).

    • @chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz
      @chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tongakhan230 according to Torah, all Israelis are the children of god means son of god and daughter. so, Jesus also one of them. nothing new here.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz : Being CHILDREN of God is a general term. Being a SON of God is specific.
      (Luke 3:38) son of Eʹnosh, son of Seth, son of Adam, SON of God.
      A SON of God is generally an ANGEL. See Job 1:6. Jesus had been one prior to his transformation into a human.

    • @chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz
      @chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tongakhan230 please, don't show anything from new testament. this is not revelation of god ,this is the revelation of human[kidding] Only a few hypocrites like Paul, Peter, Luke, Mark all make Jesus God or Son of God. The Old Testament and the Koran state that Jesus was the only Messiah. We know both are revelations of God, therefore, we believe in God and not in any deceiver. God said in the Old Testament the Israelites were God's children and Jesus was also an Israelite. In this sense Jesus was the Son of God like the other Israelites.
      A SON of God is generally an ANGEL. angel, Satan, jinn and human all are creations of god. then why not we the son of god? your personal opinion is just stinky garbage to me. hope you understand, don't come to confront me with lame logic. Your God is not saved from men. They nailed him to the cross. we not worship this type weak god whose power is not unlimited.

  • @70vintage58
    @70vintage58 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤ SAM AMAZING!!!

  • @jojivarghese5105
    @jojivarghese5105 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Then what is use of jesus sacrifice if he died and came back to his life means it shows that it has some magic trick no one can dies for other sins every one has to bear ther own sins
    Ezekiel 18:4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child -both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.
    Ezekiel 18:20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
    Ezekiel 18:21 "But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die.
    Ezekiel 18:22 None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
    Ezekiel 18:23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
    Ezekiel 18:24 "But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
    Now who wants to die for my sins pls comment

  • @ClevB-hq6dh
    @ClevB-hq6dh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Uncle sam thanks for this message is clear.

  • @grahamflowers
    @grahamflowers 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Has Jesus got a soal like us or a spirit like God or both

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jesus WAS a soul. We are SOULS.
      When we die, logically the soul dies.
      1 Peter 3:20......in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a FEW PEOPLE, that is, EIGHT SOULS, were carried safely through the water.
      The above is what the Bible teaches.
      Other religions have their own teachings.

  • @Olga____
    @Olga____ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Плохо , что нет субтитров.... Если можно подключите )

    • @AnswersTheology
      @AnswersTheology  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Subtitles should work, refresh the video and let me know if it works.

    • @Olga____
      @Olga____ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@AnswersTheology да, заработали... Спасибо )

    • @AnswersTheology
      @AnswersTheology  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No problem :)@@Olga____

  • @tongakhan230
    @tongakhan230 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    God cannot die. That is what immortal means.
    (Habakkuk 1:12) Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die.
    If someone died, it logically cannot be God.
    Revelation 1:18 and the living one, and I (ie Jesus) BECAME DEAD, but look! I am living forever and ever,

    • @dualtags4486
      @dualtags4486 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You’re assuming death means you cease to exist which isn’t the case. Even prior to Jesus death he saids he will raise this temple? He said no one takes his life away but he lays it down and he has the power to raise it up. How could he raise himself if he wasn’t alive and conscious after his death? So quit behaving like an atheist and using the atheist definition of “death”.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dualtags4486 : Jesus was DEAD. There is no life after dying.
      (Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.
      Jesus would still be dead had not God intervened.
      (Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
      Jesus' words show that he was sure that his faithfulness would mot be forgotten by God. Jesus knew the prophecy at Psalms 16:10. Compare Acts 2:27.
      Jesus willingly laid down his life.
      (Philippians 2:8) More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became OBEDIENT to the point of DEATH yes, death on a torture stake.
      If Jesus was pretending to be dead, that is the end of any hope for humankind.

    • @stephenjohn2485
      @stephenjohn2485 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jesus said, after the third day, I will rise again, does a death person has power over his body.

    • @stephenjohn2485
      @stephenjohn2485 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It is beyond man comprehension.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stephenjohn2485 : Where did Jesus say such a thing? Please!
      Jesus died. He had no power as he had ceased to exist. God intervened.
      (Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.

  • @stevenwebb6253
    @stevenwebb6253 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17.
    See also:
    1 Corinthians 8:4-6
    4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
    And……
    John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
    The only true God…..

    • @normalman8447
      @normalman8447 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's only one true God, and he's TRIUNE.
      Jesus prayed to the father because he came from him, Jesus is God's word made flesh.
      The trinity is in the Bible since Genesis

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True! 1 Cor 8:6 'There is actually TO US one God, the Father.
      'TO US' refer to True Christians.
      Others are free to believe what they like.

  • @Yenhal7
    @Yenhal7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cp have mental issues with so proud himself instead of proud the creator he thinks he is perfect but he is blind at all

  • @DavidKing-qd3sp
    @DavidKing-qd3sp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    WRONG.....Jesus as God did not die but his human nature died. Man does not have a soul Geneses 2:7 says ...Man BECAME a living soul which means he is now designated as a living soul or person...KJV When as the text says you put a lifeless body with God's breath you get a living soul by designation. Sam thinks he's a walking encyclopedia for bible questions...but he is not ... but he does have a lot to offer for some people but not all...

    • @stephenjohn2485
      @stephenjohn2485 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Your answer is confusing, I am with sam, I go with his explanation.

    • @porfiriojohn5276
      @porfiriojohn5276 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DavidKing-qd3sp
      7 - 28 - 24
      Looks who's talking
      Your Seventh day Adventist religion claims to be the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God just by merely going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people "" Happy Sabbath ! ""
      Hence you are the encyclopedia to have ALL the ANSWERS , especially through the writings of Ellen G White which your own 28 Fundamental Belief system surrounding itself around her makes it EMPHATICALLY CLEAR that her writings brings COMFORT/ GUIDANCE/ CORRECTION and INSTRUCTION
      By the way Jesus AS GOD the son
      Still 100 % GOD STILL died
      Aren't you SUPPOSED to be the Encyclopedia of REVELATION ?
      REVELATION 1 : 17 - 28
      "" I AM the FIRST and LAST
      I AM he that LIVETH and was dead"
      The Father
      The Son
      The Holy Spirit have ALWAYS existed from eternity past to eternity future
      1st Corinthians 12 : 4 - 6
      1st Thessalonians 5 : 23
      We have SPIRIT, SOUL , BODY
      LDS : Joseph Smith said Angels have GOLDEN PLATES
      SAME AS.........
      SDA : Ellen G White said Angels have GOLDEN CARDS
      ( Early writings 39 : 2 )
      Using the Bible ONLY
      Using the Bible FIRST
      As Adventists claim to do
      WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611,or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have
      GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so
      ( Chapter and verse please )
      If you don't mind
      Thank you in advance
      LDS : Joseph Smith was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy
      SAME AS..........
      SDA : Ellen G White was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy
      LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT
      SAME AS.........
      SDA : Are your sins blotted out?
      SIMPLE Yes.....or.......no
      LDS : The father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ
      SAME AS.........
      SDA : The father of LIES the Devil is the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
      BIBLICAL GOSPEL
      1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
      ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
      ( The CROSS ✝️ )
      His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
      His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !

    • @porfiriojohn5276
      @porfiriojohn5276 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DavidKing-qd3sp
      7 - 28 - 24
      Jesus AS GOD existed from eternity past to eternity future
      1st Corinthians 12 : 4 - 6
      Isn't Adventism SUPPOSED to be the Encyclopedia of the book of REVELATION ?
      REVELATION 1 : 17 - 18
      Jesus Christ is the FIRST and the LAST as GOD and he died
      The GODHEAD ALL THREE were in the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ on a beautiful SUNDAY

    • @porfiriojohn5276
      @porfiriojohn5276 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DavidKing-qd3sp
      7 - 28 - 24
      So in other words merely going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people
      "" Happy Sabbath ! "" by default means one is NOW all of a sudden NOW part of the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God
      What about the other NINE Commandments ?
      Have you ever sinned just ONCE knowingly or unknowingly ?
      SIMPLE Yes.....or......no

    • @porfiriojohn5276
      @porfiriojohn5276 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DavidKing-qd3sp
      7 - 28 - 24
      The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
      1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
      Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ?
      SIMPLE Yes.....or......no
      On the Sabbath
      "" My Father WORKETH hitherto and I WORK.......""
      John 5 : 16
      On the Sabbath
      "" For this reason the
      ( Sabbath keepers ) tried all the more to take his life because he NOT ONLY BROKE the Sabbath but he also called God his own Father, making himself EQUAL with GOD"
      John 5 : 18
      BIBLICAL GOSPEL
      1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
      ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
      ( The CROSS ✝️ )
      His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
      His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !

  • @jeffmccoy9656
    @jeffmccoy9656 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sam is incorrect regarding spirit and physical body that composes a person. The Bible doesn’t teach that at all. God told Adam that when he dies he the person of Adam returns to the dust from where he was composed. No mention of a spirit living on.
    Additionally Ec 9:5 the dead are conscious of nothing….nothing of them lives on. Jesus was dead for three days after which God resurrected him as a spirit person who eventually ascended to the Father, (aka God). Jesus was in the grave not living on somewhere in another form until he was brought back to life. Therefore Almighty God who cannot die and/or cease to exist is not the Son who died. Additionally unless God resurrected himself after he supposedly died which is nonsensical Sam’s argument is not logical or scriptural.

    • @Mwinslow1467
      @Mwinslow1467 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
      Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?
      The sons of Adam are dead. Those who are born again have eternal life with Christ

    • @laguelhowell22
      @laguelhowell22 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It says to be absent in the body(dead) you are present with the Lord( still alive in your soul) so no Sam is not wrong

  • @SaraitBenjamin
    @SaraitBenjamin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing, what bull explanations, you a qualified spin doctor.

    • @joseornelas2896
      @joseornelas2896 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What part of what he said can u dispute,or r u just a lot of bull spin?

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is a tactic needed to make Jesus into God.
      The scriptures clearly do not help.
      'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20 cannot be any clearer. Jesus was never God even for a millisecond. He was SEEN.

  • @SaraitBenjamin
    @SaraitBenjamin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sam is a lier, he speaks to please people, even if he sells what's left of his soul. He twist every biblical verse to suit his taste but, with lacsical ambiguities no shame at all.😢

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2 Timothy 4:3,4.

    • @joseornelas2896
      @joseornelas2896 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      U should hear what he says about u dummy 😂