Okay why Sam won and the debate summarized Shabir ally's criteria for what passages of the bible are reliable is: if it agrees with the Qur'an then its trustworthy if not then its a corruption. AND DURRING THE DEBATE he gives not a reason for trusting the quran (then latter giving week arguments in Q&A session{if you want to know why they're week, quote each one and I'll tell you }) Sam's main opening argument is that the Qur'an affirms that the bible is from God and that God will not let it be corrupted, and teaches, that we should judged according to the bible if the Qur'an is true! therefor the Qur'an cant be true cause it contradicts the bible and by doing so, itself! Shabbily answers: no its not affirming the entire scriptures just what the Qur'an agrees with, (No explanation why we should trust the Qur'an except just read it and we'll get subjective feeling and know its true) He doesn't address why god doesn't preserve the bible as well, he does try by quoting the Qur'an to show that the bible has been corrupted. Sam responds by putting shabir's quote in context proving that corruption referred to in the Qur'an is by christian heretics who are writing there own scriptures not corrupting the orthodox scriptures. and then reaffirms that the plain reading of the Qur'an and other Muslim sources suggest that it affirms that the entire bible that existed at the time of Muhumed is from god. the genius of Shabir as a master debater is exhibited now because he switches tactics and topics, he attacks minor inconsistencies in biblical interpretations and bible passages inconstant with currant popular philosophies about God, in order to prove the bible contains error Sam spends his time reconciling these and the two go back and forth on these issues, and not the original argument made by Sam, for the rest of the debate! Sam does a good job reconciling objecting made by Shabir to the bible in the time allotted. However, Shabir never address nor reconciles Sam's original argument and therefore despite his rhetoric Shabir loses!
I cannot believe that shabir lied about the bible to gain a crowd in his favor, he said revelations 14:4-5 said no women got into eternal paradise smh. And that only proves his ignorance and disrespect for Christianity's scripture and the bible itself! Shame on him
Shabir Ally is a great debater. I think that he's the greatest Muslim apologist that I've ever heard, even better than Ahmed Deedat in my opinion. But Sam Shamoun won this debate.
Funny how Shabir will try to use the Bible to say Islam is right, and that Christians should be muslim, and the Bible teaches to be Muslim. Then, he will curse Christians, by saying the Bible teaches them wrong, and the Qur'an is right. Thats the real hypocrisy.
Both wonderful debaters, however I congratulate Sam Shamoun, because he quoted & answered more questions from both the Quran & the Bible. God does not make mistakes, so to say that the Quran is correcting the inspired Word of the Almighty Creator is completely contradictory to the absolute truth. The Scriptures were either breathed from God or the adversary, let us not forget that Lucifer was very well acquainted with God's perfect plan for our humanity.
Lol!!! All of you claiming that Sam won the debate clearly didn't watch the debate at all. I can't believe you people fell for Sam's tactics. You poor people... Desperate to hold on to that man made faith of yours. To bad for you too. Some truth is their in your bibles but people like Sam are twisting it up. Shabir ally is trying to show you fools the truth. Just hear him and check up the info for yourself and you will see just how fake Sam is
Sams Logic: 1. Shabir can not quote William barker, he is not "perfect" nor a prophet Sam says 2. Sam quotes unreliable "Islamic" sources and says "This is from Muslim sources" and then he counts that as proof, going against his own "rules". What a hyporcrite.
Sam, you are a man of the Word! Jesus is coming with the Sword in his mouth. Muslims, understand' the Sword is the Word. The WORD of God. Sam intensified the Word... Shabbir must learn...
You see, if you heard Shabir, he's not there to win or lose, it's not FOR that. It's just so each side take the facts brought by both speakers, and see how right or wrong they are. Just to be fair, I don't think Sam talked about The Qur'an, maybe only a few... weird? things. Most of his talk was about "Hadith". The subject is Bible/Qur'an as far as I know, not Hadith vs bible...? but I guess the answer is on the website he keeps referring us to every time...? meh, not right.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but this debate was a waste of time. They should take Br. Sabir's advice and hold the debates in front of more scholarly people who wish to learn something and investigate for themselves. What happened here was just 2 groups turned up, one cheering Br. Sabir and the other Sam. And in the end, each group went home thinking "We sure showed them!!"
The best part is that sam shomoun goes indepth into the Bible to prove a point and he does it too. If you see his page he gives a detailed description on the most asked questions about Jesus Christ....hes just fantastic, his debates are superb and he just tares his opponent see his debates either with nadir or with farhan or shabbir he just takes them on and finishes them.....i love you sam and for your explanation on your web and your videos i have grown more in faith....thanks bro!!!! you are a true fighter in the name of our lord Jesus Christ.
Shabir failed to answer clearly what is there for women in Paradise....??? If men has 75 virgins.... who are those virgins? Will woman have 75 virgin male? Well in my opinion, Sam Shamoun won. God bless you Sam.
There is no trend of development in 4 gospels, but they have 4 purposes: Matthew - He is presented as messiah told in Old Testament to the Jews, So his genealogy starts from Abraham and Many Old testament verses are quoted stating he fulfilled the Prophecies of Messiah. Mark - He is presented as the Suffering Servant of God, So there is no genealogy. Luke - He is presented as Man of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy started from Adam. John - He is presented as Son of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy is Supernatural in First 2 verses of John, he is presented as The Word of God and He is God Himself.
I came in here with a totally unbiased mind to judge by myself and I must say.. I do not care who WON the debate or not, because that is not what matters to me. I came here to listen to what makes more sense, to what really feel close to my heart and I must admit that Shabir Ally won my brain and heart on this one. Such a wonderful and clever debater. My heart knows what to believe, and that is the most important thing. I must congratulate Shabir, because that point he made with the story of virgin mary in the bible made me burst out laughing, no offense intended.
Shabir Ally i pray for him, he is more humble then Dr zakir and Deedat , i Hope he reads the Bible to find the truth instead of looking for things that will agree with his Qur'an
Christians can lose all and every DEBATE, Tha'ts not a problem at all. Jesus is LORD one way or the other. He is saviour, redeemer, begining, end etc etc etc for ever and ever amen.
It is amazing how Muslim debaters always start having an embarrassed and apologetic look to them as the debate progresses and facts are thrown at them from their own sources...
So the Muslims believe that Shabir won and Christians think that Sam won. Well, Sam answered more questions and used more sources. Sam won the debate and most unbiased people would agree.
There is no a single word in Sams's opening statement that is used from Bible to prove how his book is not corrupted. That is problem that when christians debating Bible they are quoting Qur'an but when they are debating Qur'an they are quoting Bible.
Love how a Muslim can give more information about the Bible and Biblical answers than Sam, cuz all Sam keeps doing is referring you to his answering islam website which I have been too and its awlful
Shabir's problem is that he tries to describe Jesus as part of God with common sense! How can you describe the miracles Jesus did with common sense? And his book does not deny Jesus's ability to give life to a bird from mud........
“They make ready their tongue like a bow, to shoot lies; it is not by truth that they triumph in the land. They go from one sin to another; they do not acknowledge me,” declares the Lord. Jeremiah 9:3
Brilliant Debate.. Brother Sam Shamoun, you were honest, sincere and authoritatively presented the truth, The Holy Bible, The Word Of God; I'm, We Christians Are, Proud Of You. And brother, Shabir Ally; we love & pray for you too, but, and i hate to say this, your approach is weak & does not represent Christianity or Islam correctly. Not only do you pick & choose verses from the Bible that you, mistakenly, believe will help your case & reject the rest. But you also do the same with even Sahih and Sahih Hasan Hadiths. Peace Of Christ On All Of You.
wow...Sam Shamoun...he was truthful, honest and knowledgeable. I'm very impressed. Respect to Dr. Shabir Ally also....very subtle but knowledgeable. Good Debate but I think Sam forced in the fact that the Qu'ran isn't as perfect as Muslim claim, Islam has a concept of original sin and that Muslims have no real assurances of salvation.
After listening to Sam Shamoun's amazing rebuttal, i could do nothing but cover my face from the excruciating attack to the muslim. #TeamShamoun Aka TeamJesus!
Jesus coming in soon. get ready to reach the father..( I'm proud to be a christian) amen. no man goes father with out Jesus. amen.. all glory to be Jesus
Bytheway if anyone asked sam shamoun about his impression of the debate, he would tell you " It was my first debate :( " ok sam so you agree that you lost in that debate
subahana allah shabir ally answered almost all of sams questions where as sam commented about certain topics but never gave evidence or he would jump from one statement to another or his last resort where he would slander his opponent its sad really where someone who just doesn't want to know the truth because of its culture or because of his high paid job as a missionary
Doesn't matter to me who "won the debate".. so what? WHAT IS THE TRUTH, and WHO IS HONESTLY REPRESENTING TRUTH? I will find out after i watch the debate.. What is the truth -> JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH!! #Case closed
Why does Shamoun keep making excuses for why he cant answer the questions now ,and why the hell does he keep plugging his website?? Answer the darn questions now! Its clear why, because he has no real arguments. He clearly lost and so to cover that deflects to go check his website and he doesnt have enought time. The time he wasted saying he doesnt have enough time could have been used to answer some of the questions.
Sam totally owned shabir!! And furthermore, Sam is right by stimulating the people in going forth and doing their own research..You will come to worship the lord JESUS CHRIST!!
what context can you provide for the incest stories or the Solomon's disbelieve in the bible? I say you just finding excuses when you're cornered. The truth shall shine over falsehood, and we are all gonna be asked of our decisions in our faith. Decide wisely, and think carefully of all evidences, for it can affect us for all the eternity. Don't throw away evidences just because of our arrogance or culture or ancestors. Do it for self, as we ourselves have to bear the consequences.
Shabir won this debate hands down. I like how Sam says that the Bible is the uncorrupted word of God when Christian scholars have proven that there were alterations in the text.
I love your Common sense my dear lovely brother, Shaikh SHABBIR ALLY. I have been discusted with Sam Shamoun's discussion. I'm glad that SAM is going to be defeated, especially when he keeps saying trashy and unbelievable ideas. I see that SHABBIR is alot better in manners and attitudes. Mr. Sam Shamoun has alot of things to learn, including to be respectful & professional & Academically Sound.
@Nazam44 @Nazam44 I have never used Lk 20:9-16 in an attempt to show that Jesus was God. I always reference verses where Jesus called himself "I AM." Like John 8:58, John 5:18, Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:70. Jesus called himself "I AM" so that people knew he was calling himself YHWH and not a pagan god. He also called himself Son of Man which is a direct reference to Daniel 7. Other verses used are John 11:25, Matthew 28:18, John 8:42, John 10:30, Matthew 14:33.
I would like to know how can the quran correct the bible when the bible was at least 600 years before the quran so where did the quran get it info from
where are schools that taught embryology in the pagan days in the middle east????? from the did Sam have this false information??? a website? seriously!! we need to do our own research I guess.
Sam won! Shabir is good! But going last always gives the impression of a win because you get the last word! Nobody wants to go first in a rap battle! ,lol jk.
I did not find a credible argument from Mr Ally and, in almost all cases, his arguments can very easily be used against his quaran. Second, he seems to mix opinion and use it as factual argument ex. "God won't write explicit acts so Ezekiel cann't be true" That is like saying "I don't like it so it doesn't exist" and is not a factual argument. Shamoun could be a little more respectful but I found his arguments more credible.
Pray to God about it and follow your heart and disregard external pressure. I was brought up Christian and have also read a large part of the Quran. I found love in the Holy Bible and not much love in the Quran. The question is this: Do you adhere to what you were born into or follow your heart after praying for guidance? If you feel a tugging at your heart it is the Holy Spirit. Let no one tell you that it is Satan. Talk to Muslims who converted to Christianity. They went through it too. Peace.
The only way one can come to a clear conclusion that Shabir won are the bias muslims, if you unbiasly watch this debate it's quite obvious who won the debate. Shabir danced around Sams points regarding the Koran confirming the bible. And don't forget this was Sam's first Debate as well and Shabir was well into his Career. Shabir just kept bringing all these so called theories about the Gospels without giving any proof.
Woah woah woah.... Shabir Ally has blatantly during the debate!!! About Revelation 14! :O It was such an obvious lie... The fact that he contradicted himself in the exact same sentence was already way too obvious... 1:00:22 Listen carefully...
@Nazam44 From the physical side and the body language being projected by Shamoun, it does not take a genius to know that a debate with him would point to no conclusions , shaking his head side by side, patronizing the argument given by Shabir Ally, he is clearly not in the mind to have an open topic discussion with Shabir Ally , all too typical the characteristics of an unworthy person that is clearly debating on his beliefs and not listening to the logic and common sense aspect of a question
Dr. Shabir won the debate but he almost tripped when he said " There is No God but Allah" giving the non-Muslims their wrong perception that Allah is the god of Muslims. Mr. Shamoum was hammering this point throughout the debate using Allah when talking about the Quran & not using God even once.
I really appreciate the knoweldge and modesty of Mr. shair Ally,... where as of Sam, I think he thinks he has something going for his case, but when I checked every verse he quoted from the Quran and found they never said what He said it did, he confuses people with different incidents ...
this man did the same thing last time. her tool the song of solomon to proove that mohammad was mentioned in thatt book. then now he came and said that book is fake.
Shabir is very knowledgable. He managed to excellently point out the Bible's corruption and man made alterations while showing all the foul stories in it. All Sam did was show his arrogance and fallacies to the audience.
Our Prophet (SAW) had stones thrown at him until he was bleeding all over, was starved for about 3 years, had to see his wife die due to said starvation, had to flee to another city, had to fend off warring tribes that was going to off him, forbade female infant burials, forbade any sort of enslavement or revenge on the Meccans that he conquered and was a man that united the bands of backward Arabic tribes and set them off to become one of the greatest nations for all time.
Jesus is alive!!!
shabir ally is a gentleman compares to zakir naik,he deserves respect
Okay why Sam won and the debate summarized
Shabir ally's criteria for what passages of the bible are reliable is: if it agrees with the Qur'an then its trustworthy if not then its a corruption.
AND DURRING THE DEBATE he gives not a reason for trusting the quran (then latter giving week arguments in Q&A session{if you want to know why they're week, quote each one and I'll tell you })
Sam's main opening argument is that the Qur'an affirms that the bible is from God and that God will not let it be corrupted, and teaches, that we should judged according to the bible if the Qur'an is true!
therefor the Qur'an cant be true cause it contradicts the bible and by doing so, itself!
Shabbily answers: no its not affirming the entire scriptures just what the Qur'an agrees with, (No explanation why we should trust the Qur'an except just read it and we'll get subjective feeling and know its true)
He doesn't address why god doesn't preserve the bible as well, he does try by quoting the Qur'an to show that the bible has been corrupted.
Sam responds by putting shabir's quote in context proving that corruption referred to in the Qur'an is by christian heretics who are writing there own scriptures not corrupting the orthodox scriptures. and then reaffirms that the plain reading of the Qur'an and other Muslim sources suggest that it affirms that the entire bible that existed at the time of Muhumed is from god.
the genius of Shabir as a master debater is exhibited now because he switches tactics and topics, he attacks minor inconsistencies in biblical interpretations and bible passages inconstant with currant popular philosophies about God, in order to prove the bible contains error
Sam spends his time reconciling these and the two go back and forth on these issues, and not the original argument made by Sam, for the rest of the debate!
Sam does a good job reconciling objecting made by Shabir to the bible in the time allotted. However, Shabir never address nor reconciles Sam's original argument and therefore despite his rhetoric Shabir loses!
I cannot believe that shabir lied about the bible to gain a crowd in his favor, he said revelations 14:4-5 said no women got into eternal paradise smh. And that only proves his ignorance and disrespect for Christianity's scripture and the bible itself! Shame on him
Shabir Ally is a great debater. I think that he's the greatest Muslim apologist that I've ever heard, even better than Ahmed Deedat in my opinion. But Sam Shamoun won this debate.
Funny how Shabir will try to use the Bible to say Islam is right, and that Christians should be muslim, and the Bible teaches to be Muslim. Then, he will curse Christians, by saying the Bible teaches them wrong, and the Qur'an is right. Thats the real hypocrisy.
Both wonderful debaters, however I congratulate Sam Shamoun, because he quoted & answered more questions from both the Quran & the Bible. God does not make mistakes, so to say that the Quran is correcting the inspired Word of the Almighty Creator is completely contradictory to the absolute truth. The Scriptures were either breathed from God or the adversary, let us not forget that Lucifer was very well acquainted with God's perfect plan for our humanity.
Lol!!! All of you claiming that Sam won the debate clearly didn't watch the debate at all. I can't believe you people fell for Sam's tactics. You poor people... Desperate to hold on to that man made faith of yours. To bad for you too. Some truth is their in your bibles but people like Sam are twisting it up. Shabir ally is trying to show you fools the truth. Just hear him and check up the info for yourself and you will see just how fake Sam is
Sams Logic:
1. Shabir can not quote William barker, he is not "perfect" nor a prophet Sam says
2. Sam quotes unreliable "Islamic" sources and says "This is from Muslim sources" and then he counts that as proof, going against his own "rules".
What a hyporcrite.
Shabir is not very bright, is he? Too bad he does not convert to Jesus which is the only way to God according to the Bible.
Sam, you are a man of the Word! Jesus is coming with the Sword in his mouth. Muslims, understand' the Sword is the Word. The WORD of God. Sam intensified the Word... Shabbir must learn...
You see, if you heard Shabir, he's not there to win or lose, it's not FOR that. It's just so each side take the facts brought by both speakers, and see how right or wrong they are. Just to be fair, I don't think Sam talked about The Qur'an, maybe only a few... weird? things. Most of his talk was about "Hadith". The subject is Bible/Qur'an as far as I know, not Hadith vs bible...? but I guess the answer is on the website he keeps referring us to every time...? meh, not right.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but this debate was a waste of time. They should take Br. Sabir's advice and hold the debates in front of more scholarly people who wish to learn something and investigate for themselves.
What happened here was just 2 groups turned up, one cheering Br. Sabir and the other Sam. And in the end, each group went home thinking "We sure showed them!!"
Sam Shamoun CRUSHED Shabir Ally... Hands down!!! We take the good and the bad we don't hide scriptures... Shalom!
The best part is that sam shomoun goes indepth into the Bible to prove a point and he does it too. If you see his page he gives a detailed description on the most asked questions about Jesus Christ....hes just fantastic, his debates are superb and he just tares his opponent see his debates either with nadir or with farhan or shabbir he just takes them on and finishes them.....i love you sam and for your explanation on your web and your videos i have grown more in faith....thanks bro!!!! you are a true fighter in the name of our lord Jesus Christ.
What is Jesus?
Is he God. Yes
Did he died. Yes
Did God died. No
Shabir Ali. LMOE.
Sam Shamoun is a brave man for doing this. I keep him in my prayers. God bless you for uploading.
Shabir failed to answer clearly what is there for women in Paradise....??? If men has 75 virgins.... who are those virgins? Will woman have 75 virgin male? Well in my opinion, Sam Shamoun won. God bless you Sam.
There is no trend of development in 4 gospels, but they have 4 purposes:
Matthew - He is presented as messiah told in Old Testament to the Jews, So his genealogy starts from Abraham and Many Old testament verses are quoted stating he fulfilled the Prophecies of Messiah.
Mark - He is presented as the Suffering Servant of God, So there is no genealogy.
Luke - He is presented as Man of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy started from Adam.
John - He is presented as Son of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy is Supernatural in First 2 verses of John, he is presented as The Word of God and He is God Himself.
I came in here with a totally unbiased mind to judge by myself and I must say.. I do not care who WON the debate or not, because that is not what matters to me. I came here to listen to what makes more sense, to what really feel close to my heart and I must admit that Shabir Ally won my brain and heart on this one. Such a wonderful and clever debater. My heart knows what to believe, and that is the most important thing.
I must congratulate Shabir, because that point he made with the story of virgin mary in the bible made me burst out laughing, no offense intended.
why does it cut out what shabir said in the end?
Christians will say Sam Shamoun won, and Muslims will say Shabir Ally won. Shamoun won btw. :)
muslim man made more sence
Shabir Ally is the best Islamic debater.
Shabir Ally i pray for him, he is more humble then Dr zakir and Deedat , i Hope he reads the Bible to find the truth instead of looking for things that will agree with his Qur'an
if u actually watched the debate, you will notice shabir responded to every objection sam made
That’s why Sam doesn’t debate with people anymore who have actual Islam knowledge 😂
I was expecting Shamoun to be quoting from the Quran rather than third, fourth, fifth or more party. Like wisely his opponent quoting from the Bible.
Thank Allah for raising up people like shabir ally who expose falsehood
Sam is the clear winner, he was clear precise, quoted all his references correctly and spoke the truth. I cant t say the same for shabir
Christians can lose all and every DEBATE, Tha'ts not a problem at all. Jesus is LORD one way or the other. He is saviour, redeemer, begining, end etc etc etc for ever and ever amen.
It is amazing how Muslim debaters always start having an embarrassed and apologetic look to them as the debate progresses and facts are thrown at them from their own sources...
So the Muslims believe that Shabir won and Christians think that Sam won. Well, Sam answered more questions and used more sources. Sam won the debate and most unbiased people would agree.
SAM,WELL DONE,GOD BLESS, OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU,AMEN.
shabir ally wasn't just debating, he was tutoring the audience and Sam
There is no a single word in Sams's opening statement that is used from Bible to prove how his book is not corrupted.
That is problem that when christians debating Bible they are quoting Qur'an but when they are debating Qur'an they are quoting Bible.
Love how a Muslim can give more information about the Bible and Biblical answers than Sam, cuz all Sam keeps doing is referring you to his answering islam website which I have been too and its awlful
Sam got destroyed from the first lap.
Shabir's problem is that he tries to describe Jesus as part of God with common sense! How can you describe the miracles Jesus did with common sense? And his book does not deny Jesus's ability to give life to a bird from mud........
If the Bible is from heaven then why do we find Jewish apocalyptic stories, such as the angel and devil disputing over the body of Moses in it?
Clearly Sam won the debate! Honestly and truthfully.
Impreasive debate. Great dialogue need more of this.
Wao ! Im starting my journey understanding Quran vs Islam .
Sam is a beast.
Respect to the Muslim for trying.
SAM SHAMOUN impress me very much
1:19:52.....felt like a sincere hug frm sam shamoun to shabir ally...........good of u sam )
“They make ready their tongue
like a bow, to shoot lies;
it is not by truth
that they triumph in the land.
They go from one sin to another;
they do not acknowledge me,”
declares the Lord. Jeremiah 9:3
hahaha Dr. Shabir Ally lost this debate? My goodness you must have hearing impairment lol.
Brilliant Debate..
Brother Sam Shamoun, you were honest, sincere and authoritatively presented the truth, The Holy Bible, The Word Of God; I'm, We Christians Are, Proud Of You. And brother, Shabir Ally; we love & pray for you too, but, and i hate to say this, your approach is weak & does not represent Christianity or Islam correctly. Not only do you pick & choose verses from the Bible that you, mistakenly, believe will help your case & reject the rest. But you also do the same with even Sahih and Sahih Hasan Hadiths.
Peace Of Christ On All Of You.
After watching this debate, now I have understood perfectly why Sam never had another debate with Shabir ally !!, it's quite obvious he got destroyed.
Sam Shamoun has right and won the debate
wow...Sam Shamoun...he was truthful, honest and knowledgeable. I'm very impressed. Respect to Dr. Shabir Ally also....very subtle but knowledgeable. Good Debate but I think Sam forced in the fact that the Qu'ran isn't as perfect as Muslim claim, Islam has a concept of original sin and that Muslims have no real assurances of salvation.
After listening to Sam Shamoun's amazing rebuttal, i could do nothing but cover my face from the excruciating attack to the muslim. #TeamShamoun Aka TeamJesus!
Jesus coming in soon. get ready to reach the father..( I'm proud to be a christian) amen. no man goes father with out Jesus. amen.. all glory to be Jesus
1:48:20
Shabbir's reaction when Sam hands him some paper for him to read.
@ADAJ3
There is no way God (YHWH) allow His scripture (Bible) was corrupted, left it for around 600 years, then restored the truth in quran...
Bytheway if anyone asked sam shamoun about his impression of the debate, he would tell you " It was my first debate :( "
ok sam so you agree that you lost in that debate
subahana allah shabir ally answered almost all of sams questions where as sam commented about certain topics but never gave evidence or he would jump from one statement to another or his last resort where he would slander his opponent its sad really where someone who just doesn't want to know the truth because of its culture or because of his high paid job as a missionary
Doesn't matter to me who "won the debate".. so what? WHAT IS THE TRUTH, and WHO IS HONESTLY REPRESENTING TRUTH? I will find out after i watch the debate..
What is the truth -> JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH!! #Case closed
Shabyr lost the debate! He's lost I feel pity for him.
Why does Shamoun keep making excuses for why he cant answer the questions now ,and why the hell does he keep plugging his website?? Answer the darn questions now! Its clear why, because he has no real arguments. He clearly lost and so to cover that deflects to go check his website and he doesnt have enought time. The time he wasted saying he doesnt have enough time could have been used to answer some of the questions.
Sam totally owned shabir!! And furthermore, Sam is right by stimulating the people in going forth and doing their own research..You will come to worship the lord JESUS CHRIST!!
I'm not religious at all but Mr. Shabir has very good points. The bible contradicts itself and has been rewritten a lot.
LOL! Sam got owned..
what context can you provide for the incest stories or the Solomon's disbelieve in the bible?
I say you just finding excuses when you're cornered.
The truth shall shine over falsehood, and we are all gonna be asked of our decisions in our faith. Decide wisely, and think carefully of all evidences, for it can affect us for all the eternity. Don't throw away evidences just because of our arrogance or culture or ancestors. Do it for self, as we ourselves have to bear the consequences.
Sam will never debate shabir again
I am a christian but shabir ally totally CRUSHED sam shamoon
the truth always prevails mashallah
Shabir won this debate hands down. I like how Sam says that the Bible is the uncorrupted word of God when Christian scholars have proven that there were alterations in the text.
I love your Common sense my dear lovely brother, Shaikh SHABBIR ALLY. I have been discusted with Sam Shamoun's discussion. I'm glad that SAM is going to be defeated, especially when he keeps saying trashy and unbelievable ideas. I see that SHABBIR is alot better in manners and attitudes. Mr. Sam Shamoun has alot of things to learn, including to be respectful & professional & Academically Sound.
@Nazam44 @Nazam44 I have never used Lk 20:9-16 in an attempt to show that Jesus was God. I always reference verses where Jesus called himself "I AM." Like John 8:58, John 5:18, Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:70. Jesus called himself "I AM" so that people knew he was calling himself YHWH and not a pagan god. He also called himself Son of Man which is a direct reference to Daniel 7. Other verses used are John 11:25, Matthew 28:18, John 8:42, John 10:30, Matthew 14:33.
I would like to know how can the quran correct the bible when the bible was at least 600 years before the quran so where did the quran get it info from
where are schools that taught embryology in the pagan days in the middle east????? from the did Sam have this false information??? a website? seriously!! we need to do our own research I guess.
Sam won! Shabir is good! But going last always gives the impression of a win because you get the last word! Nobody wants to go first in a rap battle! ,lol jk.
Wow! God bless Sam... I learned a lot just by listening to him.... he is blessed with wisdom from the Almighty God.
I did not find a credible argument from Mr Ally and, in almost all cases, his arguments can very easily be used against his quaran. Second, he seems to mix opinion and use it as factual argument ex. "God won't write explicit acts so Ezekiel cann't be true" That is like saying "I don't like it so it doesn't exist" and is not a factual argument. Shamoun could be a little more respectful but I found his arguments more credible.
Pray to God about it and follow your heart and disregard external pressure. I was brought up Christian and have also read a large part of the Quran. I found love in the Holy Bible and not much love in the Quran. The question is this: Do you adhere to what you were born into or follow your heart after praying for guidance? If you feel a tugging at your heart it is the Holy Spirit. Let no one tell you that it is Satan. Talk to Muslims who converted to Christianity. They went through it too. Peace.
Shabbir rightly won this speech.
Shabbir Ali rips a part of unbeliever Sam
The only way one can come to a clear conclusion that Shabir won are the bias muslims, if you unbiasly watch this debate it's quite obvious who won the debate. Shabir danced around Sams points regarding the Koran confirming the bible. And don't forget this was Sam's first Debate as well and Shabir was well into his Career. Shabir just kept bringing all these so called theories about the Gospels without giving any proof.
subhanallah, shabir ally is a great debater may Allah have mercy on him
Its hilarious how Sam Shamoun huges brother Shabir and later on insults him on pal talk. This guy does everything for "show"
Outstanding performance from Sam once again!
Woah woah woah.... Shabir Ally has blatantly during the debate!!! About Revelation 14! :O It was such an obvious lie... The fact that he contradicted himself in the exact same sentence was already way too obvious... 1:00:22
Listen carefully...
You're right, Muslims would claim Shabir won and Christians would claim that Sam won. However, on a serious level Shabir honestly crushed Sam.
1hr 44 ahahaha i had to repeat that..classic example of christian lunacy.
what is jesus?
is he god? - yes
did he die? - yes
is god dead? - no
@Nazam44 From the physical side and the body language being projected by Shamoun, it does not take a genius to know that a debate with him would point to no conclusions , shaking his head side by side, patronizing the argument given by Shabir Ally, he is clearly not in the mind to have an open topic discussion with Shabir Ally , all too typical the characteristics of an unworthy person that is clearly debating on his beliefs and not listening to the logic and common sense aspect of a question
Dr. Shabir won the debate but he almost tripped when he said " There is No God but Allah" giving the non-Muslims their wrong perception that Allah is the god of Muslims. Mr. Shamoum was hammering this point throughout the debate using Allah when talking about the Quran & not using God even once.
I really appreciate the knoweldge and modesty of Mr. shair Ally,... where as of Sam, I think he thinks he has something going for his case, but when I checked every verse he quoted from the Quran and found they never said what He said it did, he confuses people with different incidents ...
this man did the same thing last time. her tool the song of solomon to proove that mohammad was mentioned in thatt book. then now he came and said that book is fake.
I do not know how did you arrive at this conclusion. I think it was Shabbir Ally who was running around grappling for points. Shabbir got owned by Sam
Sam is a bad debater
Most of what Sam says is absolute BS lol. He is always angry and mean his excuse is he needs to be because he is a Christian.
Do you really believe that? It looks to me that Sam Shamoun lost big time.
Why Sam tried to face Shabir? His fathers David Nabeel couldnot defeat Shabir. How can he?
Shabir is very knowledgable. He managed to excellently point out the Bible's corruption and man made alterations while showing all the foul stories in it. All Sam did was show his arrogance and fallacies to the audience.
Sam Definitely..... got owned....
Sam Shamoun *losing once again*.
God died for your sins??? :-).seriously guys!! Not rocket science!!
Allah Akbar
Peace .
Sam Shamoun destroyed shabir ally, Such a flawless Victory for Christianity again.
Our Prophet (SAW) had stones thrown at him until he was bleeding all over, was starved for about 3 years, had to see his wife die due to said starvation, had to flee to another city, had to fend off warring tribes that was going to off him, forbade female infant burials, forbade any sort of enslavement or revenge on the Meccans that he conquered and was a man that united the bands of backward Arabic tribes and set them off to become one of the greatest nations for all time.