It was supposed to be about protecting their civil rights…they now have the rights to furthering ruin their lives and the lives around them such as local business owners and regular citizens
I'm a recovering meth addict and what got me out of it, was I stopped being a victim and started facing my dragons one at a time. Yes, I had childhood trauma, but I realized that as an adult, I had control over my behavior. What happened to me was affecting me and my ability to respond instead of react to situations. I finally realized what was behind my reactions and started slowing down & responding to situations. I still have difficulty sometimes when I don't realize I've been triggered, but I'm able to deal with issues more quickly. Any fellow addicts/alcoholics out there: the power is within you & you are worth it!
Not anywhere near as bad as meth,but I have a severe nicotine addiction and go through a 50 mg bottle of juice in a couple days.Its really an everyday struggle,even the people who are sober are still addicts deep down and work everyday to make the right choice.Good on ya for breaking your habits,ill be right there with ya soon✊
I was a homeless couch surfing, non drug using college student in San Francisco. There is zero help if you are normal. I couldn't even get food stamps. I was told to get pregnant. Insane city.
Yeah, thats the craziest part to me. That the people in charge instead of trying to change the fucked up policies, they just try to convince you to cheat the system and rely on them. It's fucked.
@@skellington2000 It's less than $600, so definitely not enough to pay rent, you would be on the street, drug habit or not. Also, SSI if you are disabled is less than a $1000 and won't even rent you a room in SF.
One of my close friends and former boss was a narcotics detective in California. He told me that you can try everything under the sun but the likelihood of a 45 year old man who is addicted to meth changing his ways is basically zero. However, the likelihood of stopping a 16 year old kid from ever picking up drugs by providing sports, Education and mentorship is far greater. Unfortunately, the most effective way is to improve the next generation and he started a free non profit boxing program that provided HW tutoring, mentorship and training. Solutions exist. Fund them.
Ironically, CTE from multiple concussions makes those kids more likely to develop a substance habit. I grew up boxing… I love the sport… but you aren’t helping kids by getting them to competitively hurt each other. Instilling discipline and structure is a farce fabricated by karate gyms that want people to bring their kids. It’s ridiculous to think you’re decreasing the likelihood of violence by teaching kids how to fight. Every competitive athlete has a desire to hurt people.
I was a homeless addict until the age of 29. Allowing these "tent cities" discourages homeless people going to the shelters. The shelters have resources (or access to resources) available that are vital to their health, well being and potentially their recovery. The things that go unnoticed in these tented areas are often tragic. There's no one to look over the more vulnerable. The environment that cultivates in these places is detrimental to everyone involved.
I also was a homeless addict and I agree with what you are saying. Once I came out of that lifestyle, I have come to believe that the more enablement of homeless drug addicts the worse off things are going to be. Do we need resources for people to get help and use funds for that yes, but you will not help people by allowing them to live in squalor doing whatever they want.
My son is seriously mentally ill with psychosis and a disabled vet so he receives money and thank god I am his guardian and conservator, but the homeless befriended him since he was so lonely and has addictive behaviors so they destroyed his home along with him of course. He is now addicted to meth or anything to smoke. I moved him out to our ranch, but he has once again befriend more druggies. I have him living in a RV on our property and I am torn as to whether I should confront these drug people and tell them to stay away or I will call the sheriff or just call the sheriff. He is being treated for his mental health, but that isn't making progress since he is using. Any thoughts?
@@nickparis7 I can only speak for the two cities I was homeless in. Baltimore for instance is allowing tents to be placed just about anywhere. There is room in shelters in that case for instance. There was plenty of shelter in Harrisburg, PA but the rules were pretty strict. There is a huge problem in LA (which is a city I wasn't technically homeless in). There are thousands if empty shelter beds each night in LA. It's certainly a nuanced issue. For instance, many of their shelters are ran poorly, not sanitary and potentially even have rat infestations. The city is throwing plenty of money at it, but oversight is really shitty.
I lived in San Francisco when I was 34. Put my truck in storage across the street from my studio apartment between Sutter and Bush on Leavenworth. I worked on Geary Street in a hotel pretty nice hotel I might add. I had a great life running around until I met up with the wrong people. Soon after I was doing meth smoking it putting it over marijuana in a bong getting it from people who took it out of their mouth wrapped in a plastic baggie and hand it to me so disgusting. I didn’t care how gross it was I was so out of character I would do anything to get this shit… Except prostitute that never came to be thank God. Eventually my sisters husband my amazing brother-in-law brought a huge suburban SUV up packed it up my whole studio apartment, took my 4Runner out of storage packed it up and headed back home for Carmel Valley, California. Funny because back then my rent was $1,000. a month. When I gave my notice of departure to my landlord, he said he would lower my rent by $200 making it $800 a month. So I would agree with you, it wasn’t the rent. I had to fight for my life from the drugs which had captured and hooked me and held me prisoner. God bless you Joe, so love your interviews Edit: Now living my dream life completely clean and sober I don’t even mess with beer anymore.
My problem is that in Seattle , the way the system works is you have to be late on payments to get assistants. I work at homeless shelter and these guys get a whole apartment paid for , yet people trying to not be homeless are not a priority.
This. And the system also preys on the fact that very sick, very vulnerable people don't have the fight in them to advocate on their own behalf in many cases.
This is the mentality that gets everybody in a bad place. You can also choose a government that helps both. But please stop blaming patients for being sick.
@@Da808Boii lol stfu. It is FAF. Idk Maybe u have kids. Let me say , for. A fact , and I work at homeless fuckin shelters , check it , st Martins pores , and Junctio. Point, from CathO commun service.
This guest is a self promoting Propaganda artist. Almost as bad as MSM legacy. His bullshit isn't fact at all. Us Bayarea Natives know how this shit got started and why it continues.
just because someone isn't legacy media doesn't mean they're telling the truth. this guy is a liar and the fact that you would believe him without doing any research says a lot about you.
I was a homeless heroin addict for 6 yrs. I've been clean for 2yrs and now work in a drug rehab. The fact is that most addicts want to get high, do nothing and get something for nothing (social services). U gotta want to not live like that and the truth is a majority will not put forth the effort.
truth. Im a support worker for the homeless in shelters and people have no idea. They assume everyone wants a house, kids, dog and a car. In truth, they don't. However they'll pretend they do for as long as possible in order to access services which are supposed to get them those things in order to get stuff for free and keep living their nomadic lifestyles
I'd hate the idea you are in a position of support when you generalise every addict as "pretenders". Really gross attitude, and that kind of ignorant generalising only furthers the misconceptions of addiction.
I’m literally in San Francisco right now, its my first time here, and I’m with my fiancée and our child. I was completely unaware of the homelessness in San Fran before visiting. In the 6 hours I’ve been here I’ve seen a prostitute shooting heroin on the bus stop, and guys peeing out in public, one person completely exposing himself. I can confirm, that the union square area is completely packed with homeless people
@@jonaskessler326 I actually appreciate that, because with the weather right now, and especially the sketchiness of union square, I’m struggling to find the vibe I was looking for lol. I will definitely look into those places. Thanks a lot!
@@darindthomas anytime! I feel ya with the gloomy weather, but we’re thankful for it these days, considering all the fires we’ve had lately in California. On a Wednesday night, I’d probably roll to Broadway or Columbus street in North beach, or Polk street in Russian hill/Nob hill anywhere from post and Polk going as far north as Broadway and Polk. Still a weds night, and a rainy one so prob not too much going on right now anywhere to be honest but my previous suggestions should still hold true in general. Forgot to add that the Castro district is always safe and the Height district can be fun in the daytime. Enjoy your visit!
@@jonaskessler326 that’s great! I plan on hanging out at the hotel tonight, but tomorrow I plan on taking your advice. Really appreciate it. If you’re ever in Denver, I’d be happy to give you a few recommendations
I hope your trip had at least some value. I used to live in CA and, though I like cities, always dreaded having to go there. I went earlier this year and the extent of the destitution was astounding.
Many, many people have had difficult childhoods. It's no excuse to destroy yourself and others. It is a blessing to hold people, adults, accountable for their actions and help them get free, healthy and whole. Aiding them to slowly kill themselves isn't compassion, it's cruelty. God bless~
@@Sorel366 my father was a Vietnam vet and I love our country but honestly bury all your family in a 4 1/2 yr period, have the 2008 housing crash hit while you employ 9 people, and get a divorce on top of that, then load everything up in a mountaineering pack that's key to your comfort and survival and simply try to lay your head down to get some sleep and you'll see how much freedom you truly have trying to get life sustaining sleep. Many turn to meth to stay up and I can't stand them stealing and thieving. I refuse to do the major cities and I stay in a national forest outside a small community and work 4 days a week. It's just me on my own now truly free for 11 yrs.
In the past 40 years, there’s been a major reduction in mental facilities in California. In 1970 there were around 40,000 facilities in California. Today, less than 4,000.
But Michael Shellenberger is just going to talk out of his ass for 6 minutes. This guy is part of the YIMBY movement. Funny how he doesn't even mention the actual conversation in SF. SF was bought out, forced out by developers. FUCK HIM!
@@theamericanopry why is YIMBY bad? Never heard the term before, but it seems like people who want more housing available in communities. Why would that be bad? Edit: fixed spelling error
There was a big phyc building in the north area of Chicago on Sheridan, that closed and the tenants/pts were relocated. I wonder if its associated with the tent situation.
You’re speaking too much sense for the JRE covid conspiracists. They would rather blame the problem on “Black People” or “the left” or “victim mentality drug addiction”
My mother has been a drug & alcohol counselor for 30+ years, and believes one of the biggest problems with addiction in the US is the quality of treatment available here. Treatment for the poor is notoriously bad and usually run for-profit with contracts with the state, and most of the companies running rehabs are trying to cram as many people in as legally allowable while providing the lowest-cost treatment they can. Most are 28-30 days, which is usually not adequate for someone with a serious addiction to opiates or amphetamines. My mother has also worked in self-pay rehabs that are outrageously expensive ($10,000+ a month), but provide far better care, longer stays, healthy meals, specialized classes in yoga, meditation, tailored addiction philosophies, etc. Those who can afford these places have much better outcomes. Unfortunately, if we want to reduce the drug epidemic in this country, we need to shift our entire health care system - and that doesn't seem to be anywhere close to happening. I personally worked in mental health as an intensive case manager for people with the most severe mental illness, and can attest to the difficulty of keeping many of these folks housed. In a lot of cases they were simply too paranoid to maintain housing, and it was close to impossible to house them in supervised facilities, which is what some needed. I had one guy who literally punched out his mother's car window and tried to strangle her because he thought she was working with the CIA against him, and court still refused to commit him. It wasn't until he stripped all the insulation off every electrical cord in his apartment and ran them under rugs to protect himself from the CIA "listening" to him that we were able to place him in a hospital.
PRECISELY, I WAS JUST SAYING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO SOMEONE WHO SAID REHABS ARE A WASTE OF TIME UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GET CLEAN. I SAID THAT IF THE TREATMENT IS INADEQUATE, QUALITY OF COUNSELORS, TIME SPAN, ETC. THEN MORE PEOPLE FAIL. IF THE TREATMENT IS DONE RIGHT EVEN SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO GET CLEAN, PERHAPS COURT ORDERED, CAN STILL BE REACHED BECAUSE DONE RIGHT
In my country we help them and they get back to drugs and then rehab again and again.... you think anybody here wants to pay for those m0r0ns? fck em, nobody wants to except some leftists wo dont have a real job and dont pay taxes! Its not someone else problem if you cant handle life and become a drug addict.
@@LucielStarz123 Frankly, if your dollars don't go to treatment, they'll go to prison corporations. Not sure why you would prefer this option, as it is more expensive and due to our atrocious prison environment, it only tends to increase recidivism and make society worse. It really comes down to the kind of society you want to live in. You want to live in a society where drug addicts rotate between prison and homelessness, making your streets less safe? You want a society where people with serious health problems (which addiction is) are unable to access decent treatment and instead roam the streets fueling a criminal drug culture and potentially commit crimes to fuel their addiction? Or do you want a society where addicts are offered real treatment that stops the cycle of addiction and allows them to become productive members of society - thus reducing homelessness and crime associated with addiction and making urban life safer, more pleasant, and more visually attractive?
And yet, there's still people that think this 'homelessness crisis' is linked to letting a couple thousand fruitcakes out of their mental hospitals 40 years ago.
@@HardwiredZ06 Not talking shit just being real bro that's a very ignorant comment. Millions of people smoking fentanyl which people do not overdose with because there is close to no risk unless you're injecting with needles. Majority of people shooting up are injecting heroin and even if they wanted pure heroin without fentanyl cut inside of it they couldn't get it. All of it if not 90%+ has fentanyl in it. Just smoking fentanyl is safer in the long run if it's produced properly without anyone cutting it after cause it doesn't damage the immune system near as much as heroin does.
@@tommychoppa7564 lol that’s an interesting response. Ignorant huh? I guess I should have acknowledged the drug users who use responsibly and don’t die from misadventure. Got it.
@@timtim7674 Why are people like you so goddamn desperate to try and derail any conversations. That has NOTHING to do with this video. Get out more, or read a damn book.
@@jcfra420 why are people like you so desperate to try and derail a poster adding to the conversation. This had EVERINGTHING to do with this video as victimization was discussed. get out of your head more, or pay some damn attention.
My recollection is during the Feinstein decade as SF's mayor there was a huge tent city on the expanse of lawn outside city hall. Many folks couldn't understand how a mayor who had no solution or even response to the growing crisis was somehow qualified to become a US senator.
It is really sad. I remember visiting SF in the 90s and there were always a homeless population around fisherman’s wharf but my last trip there about 4 years ago was shocking. No homeless at fisherman’s wharf but a ton have moved to union square. Right outside our hotel it smelled like weed and urine and I was having to step over people to walk in. It was really sad seeing so many people with mental health issues on the streets. Used to be one of my favorite cities to visit, now it just makes me sad.
It doesn't sound that bad. Kind of like a garden party or something. I think we should encourage it if anything. Did you know you can get them to fight eachother for money and drugs and then you can film that and sell it online. Not just fighting either, you can get them to do any kind of crazy wierd stuff and then take them out on your boat and just push them overboard and find another one. Just be careful of covid, you want healthy homeless people.
After living a year in San Francisco's Tenderloin area... I never want to go back. Needles. Homelessness. Poop on the floors. Everything smells. Screams late at night of downright insane people walking the streets drugged out of their minds. Homeless people stealing things from CVS stores in broad daylight. San Francisco is a beautiful city in general - it's very rich, the architecture is incredible, and it's located right near the ocean. But the city has been totally ruined with all these issues.
I cant believe you survived living in the tenderloin for a year. I used to do skate trips in SF pretty frequently with a big group of friends. One of the first trips we ended up in the tenderloin. We couldn’t go 50 feet without belligerent dudes charging into the street after us, throwing bottles and shit. SF is fucked
My friends has rented a small studio with rent control on Eddy Street for 10+ years. I couldn't do it and I live in a not so desirable neighborhood in Sacramento myself.
@Yefri Fernandez It's America... Same shit everywhere. Everything u think about America is probably false. There's so much poverty out here and only the elites have money. Nothing changes no matter who u vote for because the politicians are looking out for the rich and vice versa.
I'm from the Bay Area and I've been living here since the late 1960's in Oakland, Ca. Homeless started when gentrification came here during the late 1980's. And the people here in the Bay Area were once paying anywhere from $250 - $500 a month, and now a one bedroom in the Mission district of SF goes for $3,500 and up & West Oakland starts at $3,000 a month for rent.... It's impossible to buy any real estate around here, when the median home goes for $1M and up, & when it used to sell for under a $100K. And the average blue-collar salary is now under $60K a year. This will push most local's into depression & alcohol & drugs and mental illness for being homeless.
It's not a rumor. Also, the homeless aren't locals - I talked to several homeless people in LA and SF, they are all from Texas, Indiana, Michigan etc. Stats confirm this as well...
This is true. My city gets bus loads of literal crazy people that police officers in other cities cant handle. You can literally watch them spread through town and trash everything
Yeah right. If you're homeless and don't want to work, where are you going to go? Minnesota? No you're heading to California where you can sleep on a warm beach.
Here in Michigan we have a big drug/homeless population too. From my understanding, a lot of these people are wanting to be in a warmer climate. A lot of people freeze to death every winter.
That's a half truth. San Francisco has no greater greater concentration of homeless people from outside the city than any other major city. And most of those that hadn't lived in San Francisco proper are from the larger Bay Area. San Francisco gives bus tickets to people to cities if they can identify someone who'll see them there.
I listened to the whole episode on Spotify and learned a ton. This excerpt doesn't do it justice. Shellenberger has as impressive grasp of a complex problem and doesn't suffer from partisan tribalism.
Ex homeless heroin addict 14 years sober. Homeless when I was basically a young adult around 22-25 years old. He's absolutely correct. Its almost entirely a drug issue and probably 20 percent mentally ill people who should be in institutions. The idea that its all people who are just down on their luck or even a fairly high percentage are is bullshit. In my years homeless I never met one person out there who didnt want to be out there using. Not one! Not one person who was trying or wanted to get off the streets who didnt. I only did beacuse my family came and found me and put me in rehab over and over until it stuck.
Most people who are homeless in San Francisco are not addicts. It's like 30-something% and that includes alcohol. I was homeless in SF, and I had none of those issues. There's a guy who was an addict for 6 months in San Francisco and he's built a little cottage industry talking about his addiction and homelessness. Right wing media loves him, and his perspective is the same as yours ie: "homelessness is all about addiction". That just isn't true.The statistics don't support that. Nothing but people's prejudice and desire to blame shift does.
@Yefri Fernandez My statistics come from San Francisco’s own city data. I have been involved in homelessness and poverty activism in San Fancisco for 3 years since I became housed after having been homeless myself. I know what I’m talking about more than this grifter (whose previous grift was climate denial). Obviously, you have an ax to grind about many issues not real acted to the one we are discussing. Not going to address those.
@@metalchix ahhh there ya go.. "involved in poverty activism' says it all. You know what, I dont believe you for a second that you were homeless. Because I was. My own eyes saw everything on the streets of Portland, Seattle, Vancvouer WA, and Vancouver BC. I lived all up the coast in all those cities homeless. There are TWO types of homeless, those who live on the streets and sleep on the streets and those who are down on their luck and live in the shelters for a period of time before eventually getting back on their feet. There is a poverty issue for sure but the leftist narrative that its all poverty is a LIE. flat out LIE. ANd you are clearly benefiting from that industry because you admitted its what you do. You have a stake in perpetuating that lie that its all poverty. Fuck off dude. Seriously. You are a danger to everyone with BS and corruption like that. Folks dont listen to him. Take it from someone who spent years homeless and has the real experience to back it up!---- BTW I worked with the homeless too for years through mamas hands a charity when i was a teenager before i became homeless. Same thing then in seattle. All drug and alcoholics. Nothing wrong with that but its the reality of it!
also who am i going to trust a dude who works for a cause with an agenda and "works with the homeless" Or my experience meeting hundreds of homeless while I was myself sleeping on the streets!
Thanks so much for sharing. I have a very close friend who is addicted to Opioids and keeps relapsing. Is there any suggestion for what kind of treatment you think works best?
Also a huge contributing factor is politics and transient nature is what dragged it down to this level. -Libertarian culture -Utopian/Progressive world view -Leftiest Policies Is a perfect cocktail to destroy any liberal city in America.
There is a Vlogger called German in Venice who captured Los Angeles, Venice Beach and what not in a very good way, he treated all of the homeless he spoke to with much respect and it was very interesting to hear what some people said. Los Angeles is such a lost case, tons of overpaid state/city workers totally indifferent to the people just making a buck managing poverty.
Everyone involved with the homelessness industry deserves to be called out. Obviously their efforts aren't working because that would stop the money train.
You weren't listening. He didn't say it had nothing to do with it, YOU did. He said it's not as big of a factor as people are making it out to be. Can't make money when you're struggling with crack, heroin, and alcohol addictions! Duh
Im from San Francisco, 4th generation ....and i'm the last of my family left here! The root of the problem is actually the tech folks! These tech companies have created an environment that is not geared towards the local population. these tech workers are making more money than most of us, they are being offered extremely high salaries as well and stock options and bonuses, so they can afford to buy homes and teslas and expensive things, and the government is loving it all, because they are making a literal killing off property taxes, and payroll taxes etc. The Sad truth is that there is no money to be made from us locals, we are just in the way now taking up precious space. And then everyone seems like they are shocked and confused as to why the homeless and drug crisis????!!!! .......and that is even more alarming , that we have all had the wool pulled over our eyes with the smoke and mirrors of thhe pandemic, politics, race issues and police brutality. Sad.
As a bay area resident for almost my entire life, I can attest that this response is probably the only one that really holds any water. Tech industry is 100 percent the problem, and they've attracted H1B visa holders that have zero college debt in addition to six figure incomes. It's priced out native-born Americans.
@@franksanz1044 WHAT BUBBLE DO YOU LIVE IN MAN?! THE TECH FOLKS HAVE PRICED EVERYONE OUT OF HERE. THATS A FACT. WHERE DO YOU EXPECT 10s OF THOUSANDS OF HOMELESS ARE GOING TO GO? THE STATE HAS BEEN CLEARING OUT THE SIDES OF THE FREEWAYS, BUSHES, CREATING STREET PARKING CODES SO NO RVs CAN PARK AND SLEEP, ETC.....SO WHERE ARE ALL THESE FOLKS SUPPOSED TO GO? IM A LOCAL TOW TRUCK DRIVER, AND HAVE BEEN FOR ALMOST 2 DECADES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I REGULARLY TOW FOLKS OUT TO THE CENTRAL VALLEY THAT HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEIR HOMELESS POPULATION IS STAGGERING, AND I HAVE TOWED SEVERAL HOMELESS PEOPLE TO THESE LOCATIONS IN THE VALLEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN CHASED OUT OF HERE......AND THEN MANY OF THESE PEOPLE TURN TO DRUGS TO COPE WITH LOSING EVERYTHING. I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN TO THESE HOMELESS CAMPS IN THE VALLEY, PARTICULARLY MODESTO, WHERE THERE ARE LITERALLY BETWEEN 400- 600 EITHER TENTS OR TINY TINY HOMES IN ONE CAMP, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THESE CAMPS...WITH A HUGE FENCE , GATES AND SECURITY 24/7. ALL THE WHILE, DURING THIS PANDEMIC, I CAN TELL YOU AS A PERSON THAT DRIVES AROUND THE GREATER BAY ALL DAY EVERYDAY, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS NOT SLOWED DOWN AT ALL IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF MASSIVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT FOR SURE THE NATIVE LOCAL POPULATION CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN! SO PLEASE FURTHER BACK UP YOUR STATEMENT WITH SOMETHING VALID. I'LL BE AWAITING YOUR RESPONSE!!!
I did some public contract work in Dallas back in 2017, and there was a program in place that offered to bus any homeless person to San Francisco, LA, or Seattle on a free one-way ticket, or wait for us to finish our work. All anyone had to do in order to qualify was name a relative in any of those places that they could conceivably room with. No proof needed, no plan of reintegration, no services offered, nothing... And from what I've heard that was the norm in many parts of the country. "Greyhound Therapy" I think was the phrase a lot of people were using for the program. Bottom line, I don't know why folks are trying to reduce the issue to any one cause in particular. There are many, many reasons for the homeless crises we see in many of these large metropolitan American cities.
There was a fascinating article in the guardian a few years back that showed how the homeless in America are just bussed around the country by law enforcement. 1 way tickets are bought for these people from one city to another. Not really a solution to the problem that actually works.
It’s a good solution and everyone wins. Dallas gets to keep its city safe and beautiful. The homeless person gets to go to CA where they will be taken care of with open Arms. CA residents feel all warm and fuzzy that they are helping a victim.
There is also the homeless industrial complex. State and charities are spending billions on helping homeless/indigent and a lot of that is getting syphoned into the pockets of consultants and non-profit management
what about the identity we give the elite? successful businessman, geniuses, philanthropists, heroes...when they are really all psychopaths. yeah i think that might be worth talking about a little more than not being hard enough on the person born into conditions most of us can't fathom
I've been by any standard but my own homeless. I fortunately, though, was just homeless. Not an addict, though I definitely drank too much--but that was more self medication than addiction. But my point is I ran in homeless circles so to speak. And the lack of dignity is the quintessential problem, from a practical standpoint. Once you have crossed that many boundaries and been that degraded, it is very, very hard to make good or sane choices to better your situation. The idea of just giving people houses isn't born out of endless compassion. It's that it is impossible to love yourself enough to have kind of hope it takes to get up every morning and slog your way through it. It's not a question of who is accountable to whom. I promise you, after what I've seen, I'm no bleeding heart. We SHOULDN'T be so condescending. Lot's of people DO just need a good kick in the pants and to face some real consequences for once. Lot's of people ARE just deeply confused about what is truly important to make a good life and are learning it the hard way. Some are beautiful Jesus like souls. Some just think they are. Some are the skids temporarily, and some come to love the street life. But the cross section you are talking about--the fucking crazy drug addled methheads who have open dug wars on the street, and strip naked and don't live in reality and make the streets unsafe, who ARE a menace and should not be conflated with the endless variation of people without means--those people are not on the same planet. They're gone, okay. They have been replaced with zombies. Get their act together? What does it even mean to be accountable? The world makes no sense in that state. Accountability is an impossible ask--unless, hopefully, maybe they can get their bearings long enough to remember they are human beings. But like I said, Im not exactly a bleeding heart at this point. I don't think they should be allowed to camp on the streets. They need to either go someplace that can help them or go some place where they won't make every day terrifying. Ive seen cars blown up and malatov cocktails thrown through windows by these tweakers---the fact that we're doing nothing is abhorrent. But the goal is to do things that will work, and not breed more problems.
I’m with you. I spent a year in the “hotel circuit” amongst other addicts. I was a bukowski-esk alcoholic with little ties left on reality. Drank myself into oblivion and ended up homeless right when the pandemic hit. My fiancé and got sober after 4 months of getting kicked out of hotels all over OC, mingling with other drug addicts and alcoholics, it was very easy to see how these people get here. We stayed sober and after 7 months got ourselves out of that life. I have to say though, we didn’t meet one person during that time, that had ANY interest of getting out of the life. They were so satisfied with a wad of cash they made the night before, and a pocket full of dope, they think they are living the good life. They’re perception becomes so warped that they no longer even conceive the idea of stability. They’re extremely arrogant about it as well. Hookers who think they’re celebrities, druggies who think they’re rappers, and schizophrenics that will attack unprovoked was the lay of the land. This was in Anaheim and most of north Orange County. I am completely jaded by it all and I have no sympathy for them. I’d been destroying my life for over a decade with booze, and all it took for me to put it down was a positive pregnancy test from my now wife. It can be done, but these “zombie people” are just that…they’re zombies and they’re creating wastelands amongst society. There are two plagues we have currently..one of fentanyl, and one of inherently unjust sociopaths we call our leaders. I don’t see an end which is why I’ll be arming up and leaving this fuckin state. Luckily I was able to restart my career and I can work anywhere
I lived in San Francisco/Bay area from 1985 - 2015. We noticed a change around 1995 - 1996. It started turning more "grunge" around that time with homelessness, people using outside as a bathroom, and Overdosing on the street. 6th Street near Market street, Civic Center Plaza, the Mission District, the Tenderloin or TL and the Haight always had their own vibe and people who hung out there panhandling. Back then you weren't afraid or uncomfortable going there because no one bothered you other than asking for spare change. They weren't violent and aggressive like now. You could pay a homeless man a few dollars to watch your car if you were going to a restaurant or event and you parked your car outside of a parking garage and it would be safe when you returned. Even though the politicans were Democrats, they were more Moderate: Dianne Feinstein, Art Agnos, Frank Jordan, Willie Brown. The current politicans, Tech companies, high rents, companies leaving to Conservative States have contributed to the demise of San Francisco. I still have great memories and will always love San Fran regardless!
All relative. I remember being in Berkeley off of Telegraph on a Saturday afternoon in the 80's and seeing a street person passed out in Durant Square. I came back a few hours later to see the EMT's hauling him away DOA.
@@N0tARapp3r They also choose to go there. Mild weather, easier access to drugs, the culture of homelessness (Skidrow comes to mind), they throw out drug charges, much easier to not have to post bond/bail, etc.
I've also heard that SF heavily favors renters versus those that own the rentals. Creates a high risk situation for landlords so they hike up the rent to cover any potential losses, or dont bother to rent at all and leave places vacant. Have you heard about this?
I’m so happy Michael Shellenberger is on. I ran across him several years ago talking sense about nuclear energy being the sustainable solution TODAY for cheaper, more abundant, cleaner energy
It’s foolish to say that high rent isn’t a factor in SF’s homeless problem. The drug epidemic is a nationwide problem, but in most states drug addicts can still find a place to live while still having the drug problem.
Why aren't you using the word California? You are using "SF", you do mean San Francisco right? So high rent is a problem in SF? Or in California? Should I keep going? Or can you already see where this is going? PS; the "drug epidemic" is not a "nationwide" problem, it's a big city problem
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 everything about the point you’re trying to make is wrong lol. Rent in SF is the highest on the west coast, and number 2 in the country as a whole for cities. And the drug epidemic is a very nationwide problem, not limited to cities at all. In 2015 people in rural areas were 4x more likely to die of an overdose than in the year 2000, because it is a problem everywhere, small town america is very affected by opioids.
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 you do realize all these homeless move from Red states to California. I talked to many if them snd they all moved from Red states
I’ve lived in SF for 18 years and 2 of the biggest factors contributing to the rise of homelessness aside from drug use is 1) Mayor Gavin Newsom’s “Care not cash” program was eliminated once he became LT gov and Mayor Ed Lee took over (the program transferred the $700 check homeless people would receive each month to a room in a single resident occupancy (SRO), and 2) after 2008 Google went IPO and hundreds if not a few thousand brand newly minted millionaires moved into the city and offered up to twice market rate or more for the most desirable housing, and Mayor Ed Lee also decided to give massive tax incentives for Silicon Valley based tech companies to move their offices or expand into the then and now still dilapidated Mid-Market region of San Francisco, with the idea that they would clean up the neighborhood and bring more retail and other businesses in. No such thing ever happened, and the city became flooded with tech-bros who ordinarily would have stayed in San Jose or Palo Alto now moving to SF and more than willing to pay $4k/month or more for a 1br apt. Naturally, anyone who used to be able to afford living here would either move away or move onto the streets.
@@geoffvalero3516 always evade the blame and ppl STILL think democrats r for the working class!!! proof is in the pudding, red or blue, these ppl r in it to make the wealthy richer and THATS IT!!!
When I travelled to the US for the first time in 2009, I landed in San Francisco, and I was shocked at how bad the homeless situation was in the city there. Here I was dragging around a big suitcase (hey everybody, it’s me the tourist!), and quite a few homeless guys were approaching me for loose change. It was a big culture shock. During that big vacation, I travelled widely in the US, and SF was clearly the worst I saw for homelessness. Followed by DC, strangely enough. I was expecting the worst to be in NYC, but I was wrong there. Having said the above, homelessness in my city of Sydney AUS has gotten worse over the last 30 years too.
That’s a big part of my life story also. I raced motorcycles in the early 2000’s. Lots of broken bones and surgeries at a time when docs were prescribing OxyContin like Advil. I got hooked, then when they stopped prescribing painkillers I switched to heroin. I finally got clean in 2012 but I wasted so many years in absolute misery. Life is great now and I have more than I ever thought I would. But I have a lifetime of regrets from that time of my life.
I was a Libertarian and then realized that society had to control drugs, drunkenness, homelessness and unlimited individualism. Anarchism from the right or left leads to society sinking to the lowest common denominator.
Just finished this entire 3 hour podcast and came back just to say it was an incredible interview in terms of both information learned, new perspective gained, and overall very entertaining. 100% would recommend giving it a full listen.
I honestly feel bad for hard working Californians right now what with the surge in shoplifting, homelessness and now with the ban on gas powered lawn maintenance equipment.
At least he’s bringing attention to long overlooked problems homelessness, networks lying, the problems with overgrowth of various industries and the many problems that creates
But these aren't overlooked problems. As Joe pointed out in other interviews, California has spent BILLIONS on the homeless problem. The issue is government corruption - much of the money never makes it to the people who need it. Joe referred to it as "farming the homeless" which I think describes the situation perfectly.
I was sitting in a circle in Golden gate park and then Mayor Newsom and his posse came strolling through, assessing the "drug problem" By the next week hundreds of homeless had been arrested for cannabis possession or fled, I too fled. Now him and his buddies are rich from legalization and all those poor people still have records.
The homeless problem in Stockton and Sacramento are also extremely bad. It's scary, I worry for my families safety. It feels like we need some kind of federal help or something here in California. It's horrible.
I saw the match that ignited homeless problem in SF. It was 1978 and from my seat on the "8 Market" bus I saw a crowd of bums appear in tents near the CIvic Center. Art Agnos was the mayor and he said it was ok for the bums to live there. It was like a brush fire that got out of control, to be the mess it is today. If only the fire was extinguished back then.
What I’ve seen: Activists who view homelessness as a non-judgmental lifestyle choice whose proposed solutions are always “give them free stuff”. They tend to overlook the mental health problems that lead to being “unhoused”.
It's always a hoot when these same lefties get victimized as a result of their "open all borders, give everything away" attitude. But their warped minds just lead them to believe it's always someone else's fault.
@@TH-camCensorsMe yes. Also drug prohibition: I’ve talked with homeless people who spend $100+ per day on their addiction. That’s over $40,000 per year in pre-tax income! England solved this problem by medicalising drugs which eliminates the criminal, health, and economic impacts of addiction.
“It’s hard to pinpoint a single thing.” Meaning impossible. Drugs are a symptom. It’s mental health at root. Then add the well-intentioned but horrible political, legal, celebrity, and community interventions along with no accountability and you get the problem we see now.
Plenty of otherwise mentally healthy people get into drugs and it ruins them, its not as if mental illness is always the pipeline to drug use, if anything it can just as easily be the other way around. Mental issues can cause drug use, drug use can cause mental illness, and poverty could either cause or result from either.
The major cause of drug addiction, especially with the mentally ill, is people trying to self medicate their problems away. When those problems are mental illness, it's a real recipe for disaster.
@@kobeh6185 I think people underestimate the prevalence of mental health issues. Drug abuse is very much connected to mental health in that it used to self medicate. Anise/misuse of drugs, food, sex, gambling, and other things are very often all symptoms of untreated mental health problems.
@@davidluchsinger7377 that is true, all im saying is that often drugs are a major factor is making those mental issues more debilitating than they would have already been, or can create mental disorders themselves.
Love how the federal govt involvement in the opioid crisis always neglected. The federal govt started demanding that pain be the 5th Vital Sign. Inpatients were not allowed to have a VAS pain score of more than 4 without adequate narcotics. Physicians had been taught for decades to restrict narcotic prescription due to fear of addiction. During these mandates all those studies were said to be invalid and addiction potential in the postoperative period was impossible. Pharma took advantage of these mandates and (especially percocet and oxycontin) became standard postoperative management due to marketing efforts (which wouldn't have worked if mandates were not in place).
Very insightful. This is why many people are Mrs. Doubt Pfizer, and are demanding to protect their rights against the "Mandate" -the govt is here to help you and saving lives BS propaganda.
The idea you're a bad doctor if you're patient is in pain came vein the govt. They used the nurses as enforcers. You would get phone calls that you're patient had a pain score of 5 and they wanted to give then morphine for the pain. If you said no, you'd be written up and you'd have to explain yourself. JCAHO would do audits on pain scores and physician response and hospitals would get fined. So protocols were implemented on what to give for each pain score. Big pharma couldn't infiltrate the hospital nurses and administrators. That's not to say they didn't hit the marketing hard. But the govt wants you to blame big pharma and not realize that they set up the environment. So postoperative pain patients started getting addicted (~10%) and then they would start visiting pill mills. Then the govt started cracking down on pill mills and the addicts turned to fentanyl. Then China started getting involved and sending Mexico the ingredients to create their own batches. Then the deaths started spiking. So the govt jumps in to save us from the epidemic that they started. Now doctors have to check Eforse everything they prescribe a narcotic and assess abuse potential. If they don't they will be fined per occurrence. So what do doctors do? They don't prescribed any more narcotics because they don't want to be fired. So the real chronic pain patients (injuries, autoimmune disorders, rheumatolgoical conditions, fibromylagia, etc) don't have providers writing them prescriptions. So they have to go to pain centers and sit for hours to get a 30day supply of narcotics and repeat this again in 30 days. Then theybshow up one day to find out an auditor reviewed their file and have mandated that they receive half the dose for the to 3 months. So the real pain patients go to the streets to manage their pain. Had the govt not stepped in, and let the professionals do what they had been doing for 100 years, there would be no opiod crises. Big pharma is the scape goat the govt uses to redirect your attrntion away from them. I can go into medical error mandates as well and show how govt mandates via EMTALA and price control lead to medical errors and rising costs of Healthcare. And how in 15 years with CME, time outs, root cause analysis, and $20 billion dollars spent there has been no drop in medical errors. But thats another video .
And now its impossible to get opiates. I'm a disabled vet and live in constant agony because it is impossible for me to get opiates legally. No doctor will prescribe them to me. The crackdown on opiates hurts people as well.
@@bucknasty69 this right here is one of the seriously overlooked side effects of the opioid crackdown. I've been trying to manage a fairly severe case of Crohn's disease for almost 15 years, and after trying everything except surgery I've found nothing even close to being as life changing and effective for managing pain & symptoms than certain opiates which are almost impossible to get now. Regardless of what people like Joe Rogan might say, there are some individuals out there who can't live a normal life without these drugs. Unfortunately the panic caused by deaths from overdoses, street drugs laced with fentanyl etc is affecting a group of people who need these medications
@@cloudbloom You are right about drugs like Noco being nearly impossible to get prescribed. I was hobbling with a cane and bent over in severe pain when I saw my doc. Nothing prescribed. When I was unable to sleep for 3 days because of the pain I would up in the ER. They gave me a couple of shots of morphine and prescribed the Noco. I was able to tolerate physical therapy and after 5 months, I'm doing well. The point is, when your pain level is an 8 some intervention is necessary in order to heal and sleep. Telling doctors they shouldn't use them and monitoring the doIcs closely is an error in the opposite direction and may impede healing. P.S. I didn't get addicted.
I worked at McDonald's when I was younger, and we sent out all these "free with any purchase" coupons for a new product roll out. The only problem was the geniuses in marketing put the "FREE!!!!" part big and bold and the "with any purchase" part down at the bottom, in fine print. So we got absolutely bombarded by people trying to come in for a free sandwich and getting pissed off when they learned they had to buy something. Total nightmare.
@@joehilner4830 Portland invests millions in affordable housing. Go visit and tell me why they have thousands of homeless shitting on sidewalks and setting up tents in the street. You can't help those that don't want it.
Yeah.im guilty of it.deep down we want to drop responsibility and live it up like the others.we have the mentality of IF WE HAVE TO SUCK IT UP.SO SHOULD THEY
@Dungeon Master I think that's true to the extent that it's an illness. But cancer patients can't exercise their own agency to change their life and get rid of their problem. There also isn't a group of activists who think that cancer is a "lifestyle choice" and that encouraging people to get surgey/chemo/radiation is "victim blaming."
@@farzana6676 I mean if jobs that pay well lower their qualifications then maybe I’ll apply but until then I’ll work in a dead end job that’s okay with my mediocrity
@@xxo-deathshot-oxx2047 Yeah but either way, even working a dead end job and renting a room. Sharing a house with other like minded workers means there shouldn't be a homeless epidemic. How can there be so many homeless people when companies are saying they're struggling to find employees.
@Dungeon Master Lol, you're a fool. And it's clear by your absurd economics, you've never owned nor even rented a home in your entire life. Regarding the rest of your comment about being harder to get a job due to being homeless, I can't comment on it. It might or might not be true.
As somebody who struggled with Heroin pills and fentanyl for six years I’m 11 months sober now and I would say that it gets so debilitating if it wasn’t for somebody taking initiative and making sure I follow up with direction I would be dead! Any process towards sobriety isn’t going to be easy or comfortable or sensitive we have been rendered sick and impaired of any clear judgment whatsoever your moral compass needs to be replaced don’t even bother with the old one it’s dead now and will leave the vulnerable to relapse being made uncomfortable to make a change! Is a vital and necessary part of the journey!
My observation as a regular visitor of the US over about the last 15 years is that 15 years ago homelessness was the reserve of the addicted and sick who lived in tents tucked away out of sight, under bridges, in tunnels, in bushes, etc. This year I visit to see that it's no longer just pockets of tents, but whole homeless communities, no longer just with addicts and the sick but whole families too. People now living in motorhomes, cars and make shift huts. It's become not just a problem of health and addiction but an issue of a seriously broken system that lets whole families slip through the cracks. It's no longer something people can look at and say "take drugs and that's the result" but it's grown to something much bigger. It's now become an issue of not paying the bills on time falling pray to the cut throat nature of the US system and businesses. It's very very sad to see.
I wouldn't necessarily call someone living in an RV homeless. I've lived on a boat for over a year, three different times. The boat was my home. I'll probably do it with an RV when I am too told to handle the boat.
@@ralphholiman7401 that's fair point. It's more the location, environment and surrounding community that set them apart from people who do it by choice/pleasure and those who are doing it for necessity. :/
@@thomasraven2024 , it's necessary for some people to live in smaller homes than others. That doesn't make them homeless. Just look at the tiny home movement, for one.
@@ralphholiman7401 Other than picking nits through the use of anecdotal ,exception-based semantics, what is your intent with these posts? Are you refuting the broader assertions made by the OP? Reading the conversation, it appears to me that you are simply playing the role of contrarian for the sake of being provocative. In any logical analysis, a clear distinction exists between someone who makes a conscious choice to adopt a motorhome or boat as their permanent place of residence and people who are living in something other than a a fixed, terrestrial structure out of necessity. The same is true for tiny homes. You don't strike me as someone so naive as to not understand the not so subtle differences between these situations. Therefore, it begs the question, what is your point?
I was a bike commuter coming from a club I closed in Jack London Sq, Oakland. Rode my bike north straight thru the city hall area, aka Occupy. For the last decade I’ve watched homelessness go from blankets on the ground to tents to, now, whole goddamn mini houses!
I’m definitely not a fan of pharma either, but I had a major knee surgery & I stopped taking any pain pills on the morning of day 3 after surgery. The pain was definitely still there, but it wasn’t bad enough to justify taking them anymore. Point being, you chose to continue. And continue. And continue. I’m genuinely sorry about that struggle, but your choices had a lot to do with it.
@@internet_internet Whether or not it's a 'choice' to continue the drug, the government officials and the owners of the opiate patents need to be punished for lying about the risks and bribing doctors to prescribe them. We can't just watch something like the drug epidemic unfold and just say 'It was your choice bro', and let the assholes who make billions off of it get away with contributing to the downfall of civilisation. It sets such a bad precedent for society that will inevitably lead to the same type of shit happening over and over again until someone's greed and stupidity just kills us all.
He has a lot of truth and some Bull crap mixed in his analysis. Gary Null has been doing documentaries on homeless crisis for years. High cost of living is a huge factor too. Lots of people go to jail for crimes. This guy is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The system is broken all around
Yeah he says high rent isnt a factor. If thats true then why is it only the most expensive cali cities that have this level of homelessness? There are drug addicts everywhere, not just in SF.
Forgot mention how California budgets $50-60k on each homeless person to live in a tent. I work for the government at a top University here in San Diego making 52k so technically I'm budgeted as a homeless person? I live a pretty good life. Come on California where is that money really going 🙄
Lookup Martin vs City of Boise , its been in LA and SD newspapers and news 30+ times since case began and it's what changed homelessness enforcement permanently.
This Guy is great I was formally homeless due to my addiction to opiates. Eventually I got sober and now work in treatment. My lived experience suggested what this guy is saying is %100 accurate!
A large percent of the homeless population are not the usual " mentally ill " or " drug addicts " . In 2021 a lot are actually just simply the working poor.
Alot of homeless people in my town are just veterens who cant keep a job. I see more collage students do crack and heroin then the homeless but maybe thats because i only walk by the homeless camp
"To victims give everything and demand nothing" Yikes this is a powerful statement and I would love to hear a "victim" explain how this statement makes them feel.
San Francisco has always had homelessness problem. It is one of the most expensive cities in America. The rent in San Francisco is ridiculously high, a one bedroom in an 80 year old building could go as high as $ 3000. dollars per mount. Drug addiction is just one of the problems that is contributing to homelessness but there are many others. That said , it is a city that I love for as long as I live.
It did not always have a problem. It started just about the time Uni-party rule started. Around mid 1960s. And since then it has been carefully nurtured into big enough proportion to hold the city hostage. Its a completely manageable issue that is unintentionally being mismanaged.
@@jakeaild94 It means "fuck joe biden". It was chanted at a Nascar race and the politically correct reporter/news outlet for the race didn't like hearing that so they changed it to "lets go brandon" to basically cover it up. There's PLENTY of videos on it
@@NotAnEconomist suuuuuure! And all the psychotic’s out on the streets can’t be Ronnie Reagan’s fault? Call it what u want but republicans and democrats have made this a reality.
@@1pcfred exactly! or at the very least the only voice they will listen too because it offers them more control over the majority! i believe it was our crippling point from our greatest achievements. yes they were very poorly run but that could have been changed. releasing them created generational problems in mental health and poverty not to mention disease.
Not a single word on the rise of the Tech Industry. I've been in Oakland for 13 years. As the tech industry has grown so has the homeless population. The amount of home displacement, loss of jobs, and rent increase definitely have a huge impact. Where there's more money there's more greed. This dude only covers a small reason of why homelessness exists. I volunteer at a local organization and see the problems first hand.
Shit, I was 15 y/o getting Rx's for vicodins (& percocet) with 2 refills per visit (laws have changed). Granted, they WERE for prescribed for legitimate reasons; had multiple surgeries at a young age. But looking back that was WAYYYY TOO YOUNG. My Dr's. had me go from codeine /Tylenol #3's immediately to vicodin & percocet. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WOULD DO when I stopped taking them. . .I remember thinking I was going crazy from the flu. It wasn't until my 20's that I realized I'd been going thru w/d's everytime my Dr.'s would start & stop me on those fkng things, when I was just a kid in High school. In my mind, I thought I was just taking something that was helping me, my body heal? GyotDAMN I was naíve.
I wouldnt call that naive. Id call that ignorant (but you were a kid so thats expected and not a critique of your character). Your doctor absolutely should have told you the known dangers of the drug… but they likely didnt know themselves as the company that produces the opiates does everything in their power to minimize the knowledge, ESPECIALLY to doctors at medication conferences.
You are very lucky. As an addict a long time user friend of mine had asked me a simple question regarding a similar scenario. The conversation was about the first time we knew we were addicted and going through withdrawal and the first time we got sick and didn't know we were addicted. The question: Would it be better to go through heroin withdrawal in complete ignorance thinking it was a bad flu or carry the extra burden of association? I choose ignorance and he choose the other. Ignorance is bliss and as an addict who has been through plenty of withdrawals I would happily trade a car crash where I'd get my memory temporary wiped than deal with that craziness.
You weren’t naive you just eventually figured it out that could’ve happened to you when you were older, it’s good it happened and you figured it out when you did.
I think a lot of this stems from the breakdown of the family system. In a past era most of these dysfunctional people would be living with relatives. Now that everyone is more independent, they have no interest in housing such people in their own home. It's easier to let them wander the streets.
@@marcdemontbron9657 Idk if there's a shortage, just maybe in the urban areas where rent is so high. There are literally hundreds of ghost town subdivisions that were created during the housing collapse of 07. There used to be anyway, IDK if most of those were demolished or fixed up and sold since then
The family unit has nothing to do with it. It can actually be linked to the defunding of the state sponsored mental institutions in the 80's. Before that point families would dump their mentally deficient members into an institution. Have dyslexia or down syndrome? Get dumped in an institution. Color blind or epileptic? Institution. Once those places were closed we saw a huge boom in the homeless population around the country. Also the average family in America has not been educated on how to handle or work with mentally deficient family members, so unfortunately it is quite common in our country for families to cut lose a person instead of learning how to help them.
@@matthewgabbard6415 There is a housing shortage EVERYWHERE. Many ghost subdivisions were unlivable & needed to destroyed (most of those were built out of mortgage fraud). But there just isn’t enough housing for the amount of people that need it throughout the US.
I think too often people try to point to "THE problem" instead of saying that something is simply a contributing factor to a problem. High rents are certainly a contributing factor (and I can only speculate the percentage), but it's not the entire reason for homelessness. I also think this a component of how dialogue dies. One side points to the thing that they think is the total problem while another side points to something else. It's hard to solve a problem when people can't agree exactly what to fix.
The thing is most homeless people have mental illness and drug addiction. So even if you lower the rent very few landlord with want them as a new tenant, especially if the have a better candidate. So I personally do not think it would have much of an effect. In Quebec we have quite a few coop apartments where you just pay a percentage of your income. It takes about two years on a waiting list to have one of those apartment. They are often much cheaper than other apartments. Yet they do not have the capacity to deal with drug addicts or people dealing with mental addiction. You need to have a clean record to get one of those apartments.
I grew up as a kid in Santa Cruz in the 90's. Santa Cruz is ULTRA liberal and their liberal digression has always been about 15 years in front of SF in terms of wackiness. What Santa Cruz did was make it super easy for homeless people to come out into the open and exist as a homeless person within the city. They provided soup kitchens, tent cities, water, portable toilets, instituted police policies of non intervention, ect blah blah blah. As you would expect word got out and the homeless population in CA flocked there. Same shit happened in SF. If you make something easier you'll get more of it, make something harder you'll get less of it. Simple law of human nature, everything else is just a compounding factor.
Yeah dude, i lived in SC for 2.5 years from 2010-2013 and I was warned by locals not to be downtown after dark by myself, and even during the day I would get heckled by crazy people or mocked by homeless dudes wanting my money. One guy took food and was happy about it, but he was old and had a long story. The young homeless guys were always jerks. After I left, I followed the local news and kept in touch with my sister who still lives there, and it only got worse. They had a big city meeting over the growing homeless, drug addicted population and couldn't figure out what the hell to do. It's like, all the rich yuppies live around the mess and talk about it, but none of them do anything about it. All the volunteers I ever met were college students and older women who grew up there.
@@xtiphuny89 Yeah, the trope is that SC is where hippies go to grow old. Don't get me wrong, they're well intentioned, but those policies simply don't work. Unfortunately, that city has always been unable to make necessary decisions to reign in it's problems. The extreme progressives are actually EXTREMELY judgmental and unforgiving within it's own community and virtue signaling is huge. Any hint that you are a moderate on an issue like this and you'll be ostracized and ridiculed.
I live in Oakland and I can tell you, it got bad in the last ten years with a cocktail of Big Tech, tech workers, and Gavin Newsome. They have a circle of wealth that isn't shared with the common resident of the bay area. They make money and spend it amongst themselves...when you bring a bunch of money into a city and don't spend locally, small businesses go belly up. They move in and don't shop at small businesses, so rent goes up because income has gone up. Income has gone up but it isn't locals making the money. It's the outsiders they bring in to work. So now rent goes up, cost of living goes up, and people who have been here can't afford to live here. Why? They aren't making any of this new money. In 2014 I was working two jobs and minimum wage was still $8/HR. Yet the rent was crazy. Couldn't afford to live. Yet I'm seeing young white and Asian people move in to buildings that were once abandoned. They are now fixed up and looking nice. On the street I grew up on (31 st street) there are big brown gates in front of every house. There used to be only two gates on that street. They moved in and barricaded themselves. They only shop at big box stores or Amazon and don't bother coming out ever. The problem with homelessness now is it isn't just mentally ill or drug addicts. It's working class people as well. The people who were on the bubble in housing barely making it were forced out to make room for new employees who can afford the rent that's only high because they now live here. I see the problem. Until people around here get serious and stop acting like tech isn't the problem, then it won't get fixed. It's not even the workers that are the problem as much as it's the politicians who never cared about the citizens enough to make tech pay for the problems they knew they would cause. How can the city of Oakland police dept have a budget funding issue when the company Twitter is located here? Aren't they taxpayer funded? Well if the most financially successful companies aren't paying taxes comparable to your local deli worker then who's paying for this shit? All this "income" and the city broke....how is that? Maybe Google can buy Oakland and kick the rest of our broke asses out so they can bring more Romanians in to code. Ahhh sweet capitalism.
I printed a list of available resources for the homeless in my city. I always carry a few with me and i give to anyone who looks like they need help. I look them in the eyes and tell them there's help if they want it. They always show kindness and appreciation. When i give them the respect as a person, they act like a repectful person.
That's a great way to go about it. At the end of the day, it's them that have to make a change in their lives. But they have to know what to do and where to ask for help.
Joe i got mad respect for you. I'm glad u haven't sold out . I'm really happy to see you stand up an put them on blast for straight out lying . Hope the best for you .
He's too busy bringing up "Cancel Culture" and "Transgender Athletes" for the 100th time. He's got to hit all the buzzwords and jargon that keeps Libertarian viewers (which are polled as his biggest viewing demographic) glued to whatever they're viewing him on.
I will do it for you. Wilder was a self declared "greatest" we all now know the truth, hes total junk and should never have been a champ. Fury beat a terrible Klitschko, thats it, thats all hes done of note. Heavyweight boxing has been terrible since Lennox Lewis retired.
These cities need a strong dose of tough love. Sweep the streets clean of the homeless and evaluate each person, incarcerate the criminals, give medical aid to those who need it, give mental illness help to those who need it. House the people who want help and are willing to help themselves. It will cost a lot of money, but, the solution will benefit everyone in the city.
The fact that it would cost a lot of money is why nothing is being done about it. If there was money to be MADE in helping the homeless, the Government would address all those points you made within a week.
@Ms. Speak Tha Truth the Democratic Party control over large cities is a byproduct of a urban mindset. People who are born into a system that they seem to think owes them. The graft and corruption are not held in check because the system is so large, and the citizens just consider it part and parcel to doing business in a large governmental system. People raised to work in a rural area are use to less government control and want even less, this creates a division that we see exaggerated by the media today. This isn’t a red vs blue issue it’s a urban vs rural issue. You can’t expect a farmer who opens a small dairy item and baked goods store front to make some extra money for his/her family to abide by being forced to build a transgender bathroom when the population of transgender people in his area is zero. But the democrats want an across the board rule of law for everyone everywhere. And this small example is only a small example of things that might float in a big city but not in the small towns across America. Gun control in a city where the police are 2 to 5 minutes away might make sense because of gang violence and criminals, but the family who has to wait 30 minutes to an hour for help of any kind to arrive is going to need to protect their own lives and property. The major problem with these two situations is the gangs and criminals will get guns no matter how much gun control you have,,,, because they are criminals to begin with, and criminals don’t follow the rules or laws that the law abiding citizens obey.
@Ms. Speak Tha Truth so the Democratic Party has the best interest of the people in these ghettos? Then why are there still having the same problems? The Democratic Party has had control of the inner cities for over 60 years, but these ghettos still exist? The same political system makes more voters in the same system in the same ghettos for generations now. Yet you’re blaming the GOP? I still think the democrats are fostering slavery, but now the citizens under the democratic system are the product not the work force, the votes that give these democrats power is the end game. Don’t vote for a living, work for a living.
@@ianstradian I think it's just different people every few years that have the same problem. Not many people stay homeless addicts in the streets that long. Something happens to intervene usually
Most people probably don't know that as of recent Sacramento, relative to its population, actually has far more homeless than SF. "Sacramento, which is separated by about 87 miles from San Francisco across the nearby bay, now has a staggering 952 homeless people per 100,000 citizens, versus 503 per 100,000 in San Francisco" - Daily Mail
I went to San Francisco in the 90s. I was out at a large park and noticed all these people had shopping carts full of their belongings. At the time I felt like it was in control. Boston homeless are usually found leaning against a building . They had very little and so homeless with shopping carts was strange to me
As a 47yo Native I can say from someone who has lived back and forth for almost 30 years the curbside camping only started with the Sanctuary City Designation less then 10 years ago before that Haight St was the only area homeless could hangout on the sidewalk.
You guys and the speaker are full of shit. The problem is the drug problem in America. Everything, including marijuana has been so "refined" that people can no longer "maintain" or have a habit & still somewhat have a normal life. Their addiction has become everything to them. I was raised around old school drug addicts that have heroine, pot, an alcohol issues and still took some steps to maintain their lives. Don't blame others or "politicians" for your problems. We have basically almost had to decriminalize drugs as so many addicts end up being a burden and incarcerated. Get real.
@@tzermonkey Not always but a lot of addicts are addicts because of bad parenting and child abuse and much more. These beings were never taught personal responsibility and much more and were treated less than dogs in their eyes for some and just stopped caring. As an adult you obviously need to get shit together in life but many drug addicts would not exist if not for parents who decided to have children instead of getting an abortion. Now this kid has mentally ill / drug addicted parents and the kid is mentally / physically sexually abused / not truly wanted and grows up to be angry and take it out on other innocent peoples lives. This is the reality and good and caring parenting will solve most all issues in society or just not having children at all to reduce population.
@Alberg Tell us more. Educate us on problems that you never had to see HERE first-hand by growing up your whole life in the environment. Tell us more personal opinion and label it as fact.
We should also note how incredibly expensive it is to live in the San Francisco metro area. One of the most expensive areas to live. I think the median rent is upwards of $2800 for a one bedroom. This is a wicked problem which means there are multiple factors contributing to this Issue which makes it almost impossible to combat. Drugs, economic conditions, lack of access and terrible policies are just a few contributing factors.
It's the weather(great weather in SF). Also Reagan getting rid of the Mental Hospitals. Plus the ever shrinking middle class. And the Drugs are getting worse.
@@powderandpaint14 Portland spends MILLIONS on affordable housing and trying to fix their homeless problems. One of the worst homelessness issues in the US. Tents everywhere, people shitting on the streets, drug needles in parks. You are gonna need to stop watching MSNBC if you want to see the real reasons.
@@afa304 Portland? But is it genuinely affordable, if it's not helping to get homeless people off the street and into long term housing then it's not helping.
As a person who lives in San Francisco and has been homeless here I can tell you that this guy is a shyster, and this episode is crap. Almost nothing in this clip is true. Tent encampments weren't started by Occupy, for example.
@@ranelrimas6523 yes fentanyl and meth that Floyd sold are no different than wine. 🙄 also riots are peaceful and people in trailerparks are privileged oppressors.
@@a.d.4536 Don't misinterpret me. Calling people "just drug addicts" is a different thing. Selling drugs is also not a bad thing, hence the alcohol you bought this past year. Again, hypocrisy.
I was homeless. Literally, the car, and couch surfing. I smoked weed but had periods when I could only buy a dime a month, nothing at all, or an ounce a week when I was making enough to get out of homelessness in a few months. There's definitely a lot of unwell & addict people in the system, but there is also people on hard times that just doesn't have the family or friend to help them out. I now have about 20k in the bank and a roof for the past 10yrs, but the money is for surgery. I can't afford insurance. Unless I can somehow get insurance, surgery, then cancel it. If I lost this job around when I finally get my surgery I will definitely be in my car again. Then maybe a tent when insurance is due.
@@hollywoodlibertarian my highschool buddy worked there for a dollar less than I make and a $500/mo stipend less. Said it's good in a pinch but dead end. Which matched up with the bad stuff you hear about the Warehouse. No idea about drivers
SF native here since the 80s, when I'm born. SF has always been rough. It isn't new. Some neighborhoods became fancy, some got worse. But the homelessness and drug use seemed to get really bad after the 2008 crisis. Things bounced back a bit around 2010 but it got nasty downtown again around 2016 or so, it was a slow uptick to the point where it was already quite bad around 2018, 2019, many shops were boarded up around Market and Montgomery, including shops that had been there for decades. Covid was the final nail in the coffin. It got really crazy in a lot of areas. TL has always been a mess though. That has never changed.
Why don't we ever talk about the shutting down of mental asylums as being a major contributing factor to homelessness, as well?
Because how dare you use logic, Bigot! Vote Democrat
It was supposed to be about protecting their civil rights…they now have the rights to furthering ruin their lives and the lives around them such as local business owners and regular citizens
100%
because that would require deep thinking.
Thank you, was gonna say but I scolled a bit and found u
I'm a recovering meth addict and what got me out of it, was I stopped being a victim and started facing my dragons one at a time. Yes, I had childhood trauma, but I realized that as an adult, I had control over my behavior. What happened to me was affecting me and my ability to respond instead of react to situations. I finally realized what was behind my reactions and started slowing down & responding to situations. I still have difficulty sometimes when I don't realize I've been triggered, but I'm able to deal with issues more quickly. Any fellow addicts/alcoholics out there: the power is within you & you are worth it!
Look up
“Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones”
It’s too funny!😡 😂
Not anywhere near as bad as meth,but I have a severe nicotine addiction and go through a 50 mg bottle of juice in a couple days.Its really an everyday struggle,even the people who are sober are still addicts deep down and work everyday to make the right choice.Good on ya for breaking your habits,ill be right there with ya soon✊
@@seeyouspacecowboy.....196 My goal is to be done with nicotine by Jan 1, 2022. This is more difficult than the meth, man!
I'm gonna think about that "slowing down and responding to situations" thing.
@@seeyouspacecowboy.....196 same here man...i just started for fun and here i am
I was a homeless couch surfing, non drug using college student in San Francisco. There is zero help if you are normal. I couldn't even get food stamps. I was told to get pregnant. Insane city.
@KimIGKimi 🙄🙄
Yeah, thats the craziest part to me. That the people in charge instead of trying to change the fucked up policies, they just try to convince you to cheat the system and rely on them. It's fucked.
Why were you homeless and also going to college?
@@jonathanguinn3929 its better than being homeless and not going to college
@@skellington2000 It's less than $600, so definitely not enough to pay rent, you would be on the street, drug habit or not. Also, SSI if you are disabled is less than a $1000 and won't even rent you a room in SF.
One of my close friends and former boss was a narcotics detective in California. He told me that you can try everything under the sun but the likelihood of a 45 year old man who is addicted to meth changing his ways is basically zero. However, the likelihood of stopping a 16 year old kid from ever picking up drugs by providing sports, Education and mentorship is far greater. Unfortunately, the most effective way is to improve the next generation and he started a free non profit boxing program that provided HW tutoring, mentorship and training. Solutions exist. Fund them.
Ironically, CTE from multiple concussions makes those kids more likely to develop a substance habit. I grew up boxing… I love the sport… but you aren’t helping kids by getting them to competitively hurt each other. Instilling discipline and structure is a farce fabricated by karate gyms that want people to bring their kids. It’s ridiculous to think you’re decreasing the likelihood of violence by teaching kids how to fight. Every competitive athlete has a desire to hurt people.
I was a homeless addict until the age of 29. Allowing these "tent cities" discourages homeless people going to the shelters. The shelters have resources (or access to resources) available that are vital to their health, well being and potentially their recovery.
The things that go unnoticed in these tented areas are often tragic. There's no one to look over the more vulnerable. The environment that cultivates in these places is detrimental to everyone involved.
I also was a homeless addict and I agree with what you are saying. Once I came out of that lifestyle, I have come to believe that the more enablement of homeless drug addicts the worse off things are going to be. Do we need resources for people to get help and use funds for that yes, but you will not help people by allowing them to live in squalor doing whatever they want.
My son is seriously mentally ill with psychosis and a disabled vet so he receives money and thank god I am his guardian and conservator, but the homeless befriended him since he was so lonely and has addictive behaviors so they destroyed his home along with him of course. He is now addicted to meth or anything to smoke. I moved him out to our ranch, but he has once again befriend more druggies. I have him living in a RV on our property and I am torn as to whether I should confront these drug people and tell them to stay away or I will call the sheriff or just call the sheriff. He is being treated for his mental health, but that isn't making progress since he is using. Any thoughts?
There aren't nearly enough shelters in the cities where this is a problem. This is as much of a non-solution as tents.
@@nickparis7 depends on which cities I suppose.
@@nickparis7 I can only speak for the two cities I was homeless in. Baltimore for instance is allowing tents to be placed just about anywhere. There is room in shelters in that case for instance. There was plenty of shelter in Harrisburg, PA but the rules were pretty strict. There is a huge problem in LA (which is a city I wasn't technically homeless in). There are thousands if empty shelter beds each night in LA. It's certainly a nuanced issue. For instance, many of their shelters are ran poorly, not sanitary and potentially even have rat infestations. The city is throwing plenty of money at it, but oversight is really shitty.
I lived in San Francisco when I was 34. Put my truck in storage across the street from my studio apartment between Sutter and Bush on Leavenworth. I worked on Geary Street in a hotel pretty nice hotel I might add. I had a great life running around until I met up with the wrong people. Soon after I was doing meth smoking it putting it over marijuana in a bong getting it from people who took it out of their mouth wrapped in a plastic baggie and hand it to me so disgusting. I didn’t care how gross it was I was so out of character I would do anything to get this shit… Except prostitute that never came to be thank God. Eventually my sisters husband my amazing brother-in-law brought a huge suburban SUV up packed it up my whole studio apartment, took my 4Runner out of storage packed it up and headed back home for Carmel Valley, California. Funny because back then my rent was $1,000. a month. When I gave my notice of departure to my landlord, he said he would lower my rent by $200 making it $800 a month. So I would agree with you, it wasn’t the rent. I had to fight for my life from the drugs which had captured and hooked me and held me prisoner.
God bless you Joe, so love your interviews
Edit: Now living my dream life completely clean and sober I don’t even mess with beer anymore.
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
You don't say you were homeless in this story... they are talking about homelessness.
@@devinludwig relax guy she had a good story
Congrats on breaking free from those demons. I put away the alcohol too 7yrs ago. I will never reawaken that sleeping demon.
I can be sure to tell you that there is nothing in San Francisco for 800$ a month. It is the most expensive city in america
My problem is that in Seattle , the way the system works is you have to be late on payments to get assistants. I work at homeless shelter and these guys get a whole apartment paid for , yet people trying to not be homeless are not a priority.
This. And the system also preys on the fact that very sick, very vulnerable people don't have the fight in them to advocate on their own behalf in many cases.
That isnt true. I also live in Seattle area (iMedina). Your statement isnt valid at all.
i believe you can help someone successfully ONLY if that person willing to help themselves first.
This is the mentality that gets everybody in a bad place. You can also choose a government that helps both. But please stop blaming patients for being sick.
@@Da808Boii lol stfu. It is FAF. Idk
Maybe u have kids. Let me say , for. A fact
, and I work at homeless fuckin shelters , check it , st Martins pores , and Junctio. Point, from CathO commun service.
Imagine an open and free discussion of this country's problems without the distortion of legacy media, it must scare the hell out of politicians.
This guest is a self promoting Propaganda artist. Almost as bad as MSM legacy. His bullshit isn't fact at all. Us Bayarea Natives know how this shit got started and why it continues.
just because someone isn't legacy media doesn't mean they're telling the truth. this guy is a liar and the fact that you would believe him without doing any research says a lot about you.
@@cspan1993 how's he a liar? Wtf?
@@capndallas4918 if you actually did your own research you would find hes lying
@@cspan1993 I've done my own research and I can confirm that you're simply misinformed.
I was a homeless heroin addict for 6 yrs. I've been clean for 2yrs and now work in a drug rehab. The fact is that most addicts want to get high, do nothing and get something for nothing (social services). U gotta want to not live like that and the truth is a majority will not put forth the effort.
Congratulations on your two years.
truth. Im a support worker for the homeless in shelters and people have no idea. They assume everyone wants a house, kids, dog and a car. In truth, they don't. However they'll pretend they do for as long as possible in order to access services which are supposed to get them those things in order to get stuff for free and keep living their nomadic lifestyles
Seems like the solution is tough love, and changing incentives so that it favors autonomy.
@@imanuel8883 Thats a very dangerous idea my friend. Idk if you realize that or not.
I'd hate the idea you are in a position of support when you generalise every addict as "pretenders". Really gross attitude, and that kind of ignorant generalising only furthers the misconceptions of addiction.
I’m literally in San Francisco right now, its my first time here, and I’m with my fiancée and our child. I was completely unaware of the homelessness in San Fran before visiting. In the 6 hours I’ve been here I’ve seen a prostitute shooting heroin on the bus stop, and guys peeing out in public, one person completely exposing himself. I can confirm, that the union square area is completely packed with homeless people
@@jonaskessler326 I actually appreciate that, because with the weather right now, and especially the sketchiness of union square, I’m struggling to find the vibe I was looking for lol. I will definitely look into those places. Thanks a lot!
@@darindthomas anytime! I feel ya with the gloomy weather, but we’re thankful for it these days, considering all the fires we’ve had lately in California. On a Wednesday night, I’d probably roll to Broadway or Columbus street in North beach, or Polk street in Russian hill/Nob hill anywhere from post and Polk going as far north as Broadway and Polk. Still a weds night, and a rainy one so prob not too much going on right now anywhere to be honest but my previous suggestions should still hold true in general. Forgot to add that the Castro district is always safe and the Height district can be fun in the daytime. Enjoy your visit!
@@jonaskessler326 that’s great! I plan on hanging out at the hotel tonight, but tomorrow I plan on taking your advice. Really appreciate it. If you’re ever in Denver, I’d be happy to give you a few recommendations
@@darindthomas No worries at all. And I appreciate that, definitely will do, thanks!
I hope your trip had at least some value. I used to live in CA and, though I like cities, always dreaded having to go there. I went earlier this year and the extent of the destitution was astounding.
Joe victorious against CNN is the best thing I’ve seen all week.
Context?
Shut your mouth
DUDE, LOL.
That's not what CNN is saying
Victorious. Hysterical.
Many, many people have had difficult childhoods. It's no excuse to destroy yourself and others. It is a blessing to hold people, adults, accountable for their actions and help them get free, healthy and whole. Aiding them to slowly kill themselves isn't compassion, it's cruelty. God bless~
Accountability?!? That's racist! And homophobic! And sexist! And transphobic!
You must have no idea how difficult a childhood can be.
@@RipsRidiculus11 oh look a victim. Let me guess your daddy didn't give you a hug one day
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The 9th circuits decision on homeless camping was a big contributor to the problem as well.
these people know exactly what they're doing
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
@@Sorel366 my father was a Vietnam vet and I love our country but honestly bury all your family in a 4 1/2 yr period, have the 2008 housing crash hit while you employ 9 people, and get a divorce on top of that, then load everything up in a mountaineering pack that's key to your comfort and survival and simply try to lay your head down to get some sleep and you'll see how much freedom you truly have trying to get life sustaining sleep. Many turn to meth to stay up and I can't stand them stealing and thieving. I refuse to do the major cities and I stay in a national forest outside a small community and work 4 days a week. It's just me on my own now truly free for 11 yrs.
There was also the shutting down of institutions for the severely mental ill that added to the problem. Drugs are a big part of it but not the only
not high rent?
The problem started because no one in charge knows what they’re doing
Silicon Valley made it worse.
Too busy focusing on "social justice" instead of cleaning up their streets.
Pelosi, Newsom and Garcetti are the ones in charge
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@@darthnews there was a chance to get rid Newsom but the people wanted to keep him. Why the F wound they do that
In the past 40 years, there’s been a major reduction in mental facilities in California. In 1970 there were around 40,000 facilities in California. Today, less than 4,000.
But Michael Shellenberger is just going to talk out of his ass for 6 minutes. This guy is part of the YIMBY movement. Funny how he doesn't even mention the actual conversation in SF. SF was bought out, forced out by developers. FUCK HIM!
@@theamericanopry why is YIMBY bad? Never heard the term before, but it seems like people who want more housing available in communities. Why would that be bad?
Edit: fixed spelling error
There was a big phyc building in the north area of Chicago on Sheridan, that closed and the tenants/pts were relocated. I wonder if its associated with the tent situation.
Thank the Republicans for that
You’re speaking too much sense for the JRE covid conspiracists. They would rather blame the problem on “Black People” or “the left” or “victim mentality drug addiction”
My mother has been a drug & alcohol counselor for 30+ years, and believes one of the biggest problems with addiction in the US is the quality of treatment available here. Treatment for the poor is notoriously bad and usually run for-profit with contracts with the state, and most of the companies running rehabs are trying to cram as many people in as legally allowable while providing the lowest-cost treatment they can. Most are 28-30 days, which is usually not adequate for someone with a serious addiction to opiates or amphetamines. My mother has also worked in self-pay rehabs that are outrageously expensive ($10,000+ a month), but provide far better care, longer stays, healthy meals, specialized classes in yoga, meditation, tailored addiction philosophies, etc. Those who can afford these places have much better outcomes. Unfortunately, if we want to reduce the drug epidemic in this country, we need to shift our entire health care system - and that doesn't seem to be anywhere close to happening.
I personally worked in mental health as an intensive case manager for people with the most severe mental illness, and can attest to the difficulty of keeping many of these folks housed. In a lot of cases they were simply too paranoid to maintain housing, and it was close to impossible to house them in supervised facilities, which is what some needed. I had one guy who literally punched out his mother's car window and tried to strangle her because he thought she was working with the CIA against him, and court still refused to commit him. It wasn't until he stripped all the insulation off every electrical cord in his apartment and ran them under rugs to protect himself from the CIA "listening" to him that we were able to place him in a hospital.
PRECISELY, I WAS JUST SAYING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO SOMEONE WHO SAID REHABS ARE A WASTE OF TIME UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GET CLEAN. I SAID THAT IF THE TREATMENT IS INADEQUATE, QUALITY OF COUNSELORS, TIME SPAN, ETC. THEN MORE PEOPLE FAIL. IF THE TREATMENT IS DONE RIGHT EVEN SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO GET CLEAN, PERHAPS COURT ORDERED, CAN STILL BE REACHED BECAUSE DONE RIGHT
In my country we help them and they get back to drugs and then rehab again and again.... you think anybody here wants to pay for those m0r0ns? fck em, nobody wants to except some leftists wo dont have a real job and dont pay taxes! Its not someone else problem if you cant handle life and become a drug addict.
i don't see why my tax dollars has to go to anyone who got themsmselves into addiction on their dollars yet demand mine to 'treat' them
@@LucielStarz123 Frankly, if your dollars don't go to treatment, they'll go to prison corporations. Not sure why you would prefer this option, as it is more expensive and due to our atrocious prison environment, it only tends to increase recidivism and make society worse. It really comes down to the kind of society you want to live in. You want to live in a society where drug addicts rotate between prison and homelessness, making your streets less safe? You want a society where people with serious health problems (which addiction is) are unable to access decent treatment and instead roam the streets fueling a criminal drug culture and potentially commit crimes to fuel their addiction? Or do you want a society where addicts are offered real treatment that stops the cycle of addiction and allows them to become productive members of society - thus reducing homelessness and crime associated with addiction and making urban life safer, more pleasant, and more visually attractive?
Most other countries spend less on treatment. It's more of a demographic problem if anything. But we also didn't have this problem 40 years ago.
The figure of ODs from 17,000 deaths in 2000 to 93,000 last year is absolutely insane!!
🤫Democrats might read that and then find another crisis distraction
whoever is idiotic enough to fuck with fentanyl probably isn't going to last that long regardless but ya pretty crazy jump.
And yet, there's still people that think this 'homelessness crisis' is linked to letting a couple thousand fruitcakes out of their mental hospitals 40 years ago.
@@HardwiredZ06 Not talking shit just being real bro that's a very ignorant comment. Millions of people smoking fentanyl which people do not overdose with because there is close to no risk unless you're injecting with needles. Majority of people shooting up are injecting heroin and even if they wanted pure heroin without fentanyl cut inside of it they couldn't get it. All of it if not 90%+ has fentanyl in it. Just smoking fentanyl is safer in the long run if it's produced properly without anyone cutting it after cause it doesn't damage the immune system near as much as heroin does.
@@tommychoppa7564 lol that’s an interesting response. Ignorant huh? I guess I should have acknowledged the drug users who use responsibly and don’t die from misadventure. Got it.
The "victim" or "victimization" mentality is so dangerous and corrosive to any healthy society.
Indeed, and it has crept into both parties, all religions and most of US culture.
He says while living off his parents still 😆😆😆😆 How funny.
@@timtim7674 Why are people like you so goddamn desperate to try and derail any conversations. That has NOTHING to do with this video. Get out more, or read a damn book.
@@jcfra420 why are people like you so desperate to try and derail a poster adding to the conversation. This had EVERINGTHING to do with this video as victimization was discussed. get out of your head more, or pay some damn attention.
Say that to Rogan and all his right-wing buddies. Guys like Ben Shapiro are always clutching their pearls!
My recollection is during the Feinstein decade as SF's mayor there was a huge tent city on the expanse of lawn outside city hall. Many folks couldn't understand how a mayor who had no solution or even response to the growing crisis was somehow qualified to become a US senator.
they were right.
It is really sad. I remember visiting SF in the 90s and there were always a homeless population around fisherman’s wharf but my last trip there about 4 years ago was shocking. No homeless at fisherman’s wharf but a ton have moved to union square. Right outside our hotel it smelled like weed and urine and I was having to step over people to walk in. It was really sad seeing so many people with mental health issues on the streets. Used to be one of my favorite cities to visit, now it just makes me sad.
It doesn't sound that bad. Kind of like a garden party or something. I think we should encourage it if anything. Did you know you can get them to fight eachother for money and drugs and then you can film that and sell it online. Not just fighting either, you can get them to do any kind of crazy wierd stuff and then take them out on your boat and just push them overboard and find another one. Just be careful of covid, you want healthy homeless people.
you're totally true man
dont see the problem with weed bc its legal but the urine yeah i understand
@@65stang98 What's wrong with urine? Some people enjoy it. It's sterile and tasty.
@@chucknutly3290 facts
After living a year in San Francisco's Tenderloin area... I never want to go back. Needles. Homelessness. Poop on the floors. Everything smells. Screams late at night of downright insane people walking the streets drugged out of their minds. Homeless people stealing things from CVS stores in broad daylight. San Francisco is a beautiful city in general - it's very rich, the architecture is incredible, and it's located right near the ocean. But the city has been totally ruined with all these issues.
I cant believe you survived living in the tenderloin for a year. I used to do skate trips in SF pretty frequently with a big group of friends. One of the first trips we ended up in the tenderloin. We couldn’t go 50 feet without belligerent dudes charging into the street after us, throwing bottles and shit. SF is fucked
Better elect a different democrat...cuz democrats are compassionate
My friends has rented a small studio with rent control on Eddy Street for 10+ years. I couldn't do it and I live in a not so desirable neighborhood in Sacramento myself.
@Yefri Fernandez
It's America... Same shit everywhere. Everything u think about America is probably false. There's so much poverty out here and only the elites have money. Nothing changes no matter who u vote for because the politicians are looking out for the rich and vice versa.
Sadly, you get what you put up with.
I'm from the Bay Area and I've been living here since the late 1960's in Oakland, Ca. Homeless started when gentrification came here during the late 1980's. And the people here in the Bay Area were once paying anywhere from $250 - $500 a month, and now a one bedroom in the Mission district of SF goes for $3,500 and up & West Oakland starts at $3,000 a month for rent.... It's impossible to buy any real estate around here, when the median home goes for $1M and up, & when it used to sell for under a $100K. And the average blue-collar salary is now under $60K a year. This will push most local's into depression & alcohol & drugs and mental illness for being homeless.
I heard a rumor that other cities got rid of their homeless population, by giving them one way bus tickets to San Francisco or Los Angeles.
It's not a rumor. Also, the homeless aren't locals - I talked to several homeless people in LA and SF, they are all from Texas, Indiana, Michigan etc. Stats confirm this as well...
This is true. My city gets bus loads of literal crazy people that police officers in other cities cant handle. You can literally watch them spread through town and trash everything
Yeah right. If you're homeless and don't want to work, where are you going to go? Minnesota? No you're heading to California where you can sleep on a warm beach.
Here in Michigan we have a big drug/homeless population too. From my understanding, a lot of these people are wanting to be in a warmer climate. A lot of people freeze to death every winter.
That's a half truth. San Francisco has no greater greater concentration of homeless people from outside the city than any other major city. And most of those that hadn't lived in San Francisco proper are from the larger Bay Area. San Francisco gives bus tickets to people to cities if they can identify someone who'll see them there.
I listened to the whole episode on Spotify and learned a ton. This excerpt doesn't do it justice. Shellenberger has as impressive grasp of a complex problem and doesn't suffer from partisan tribalism.
Ex homeless heroin addict 14 years sober. Homeless when I was basically a young adult around 22-25 years old. He's absolutely correct. Its almost entirely a drug issue and probably 20 percent mentally ill people who should be in institutions. The idea that its all people who are just down on their luck or even a fairly high percentage are is bullshit. In my years homeless I never met one person out there who didnt want to be out there using. Not one! Not one person who was trying or wanted to get off the streets who didnt. I only did beacuse my family came and found me and put me in rehab over and over until it stuck.
Most people who are homeless in San Francisco are not addicts. It's like 30-something% and that includes alcohol. I was homeless in SF, and I had none of those issues. There's a guy who was an addict for 6 months in San Francisco and he's built a little cottage industry talking about his addiction and homelessness. Right wing media loves him, and his perspective is the same as yours ie: "homelessness is all about addiction". That just isn't true.The statistics don't support that. Nothing but people's prejudice and desire to blame shift does.
@Yefri Fernandez My statistics come from San Francisco’s own city data. I have been involved in homelessness and poverty activism in San Fancisco for 3 years since I became housed after having been homeless myself. I know what I’m talking about more than this grifter (whose previous grift was climate denial). Obviously, you have an ax to grind about many issues not real acted to the one we are discussing. Not going to address those.
@@metalchix ahhh there ya go.. "involved in poverty activism' says it all. You know what, I dont believe you for a second that you were homeless. Because I was. My own eyes saw everything on the streets of Portland, Seattle, Vancvouer WA, and Vancouver BC. I lived all up the coast in all those cities homeless. There are TWO types of homeless, those who live on the streets and sleep on the streets and those who are down on their luck and live in the shelters for a period of time before eventually getting back on their feet. There is a poverty issue for sure but the leftist narrative that its all poverty is a LIE. flat out LIE. ANd you are clearly benefiting from that industry because you admitted its what you do. You have a stake in perpetuating that lie that its all poverty. Fuck off dude. Seriously. You are a danger to everyone with BS and corruption like that. Folks dont listen to him. Take it from someone who spent years homeless and has the real experience to back it up!---- BTW I worked with the homeless too for years through mamas hands a charity when i was a teenager before i became homeless. Same thing then in seattle. All drug and alcoholics. Nothing wrong with that but its the reality of it!
also who am i going to trust a dude who works for a cause with an agenda and "works with the homeless" Or my experience meeting hundreds of homeless while I was myself sleeping on the streets!
Thanks so much for sharing. I have a very close friend who is addicted to Opioids and keeps relapsing. Is there any suggestion for what kind of treatment you think works best?
This homelessness discussion is in tents.
ba-dum-tss
🥱 lol
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Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
Yes it's fukin in ⛺😂😂🤣
I live in the bay area and what this guy just said is 100% spot on.
Also a huge contributing factor is politics and transient nature is what dragged it down to this level.
-Libertarian culture
-Utopian/Progressive world view
-Leftiest Policies
Is a perfect cocktail to destroy any liberal city in America.
Should post the full episode, man. Heard it on Spotify and it's one of the great ones.
There is a Vlogger called German in Venice who captured Los Angeles, Venice Beach and what not in a very good way, he treated all of the homeless he spoke to with much respect and it was very interesting to hear what some people said. Los Angeles is such a lost case, tons of overpaid state/city workers totally indifferent to the people just making a buck managing poverty.
Ah yes. It’s the government workers fault.
What?!? Makes no sense. Word salad
Everyone involved with the homelessness industry deserves to be called out. Obviously their efforts aren't working because that would stop the money train.
Soft White Underbelly interviews a lot of them as well.
Right, like we need to take a Vlogger's perspective at face value.
Man I remember watching all this unfold in the 2010s
For me, it was the late 80’s. Left LA in 93…… fly over country, in the country with a couple acres small pond and 1800sq ft. Much better
@@heybamanba1 Bitch please how low does it get in Cali at Christmas fucking 80°
@ᴛᴀᴘ ᴍᴇ ᴀɴᴅ sᴇᴇ Mia that's also a huge factor nowhere for mentally ill they sleep on the streets
so.... homelessness has nothing to do with not being able to pay a $2,400 rent on minimum wage? but tents from 10 years ago do?
It's not good to get your statistics from the party who literally is called "The Business Man and CEOs party".
You weren't listening. He didn't say it had nothing to do with it, YOU did. He said it's not as big of a factor as people are making it out to be.
Can't make money when you're struggling with crack, heroin, and alcohol addictions! Duh
It’s almost like you aren’t supposed to live your entire life on minimum wage!
@@Americanpride555 it looks like people rather not work if there's nothing better. good on them. new labor movement is here.
Most people move to somewhere affordable before sleeping and shitting in the street...
Im from San Francisco, 4th generation ....and i'm the last of my family left here! The root of the problem is actually the tech folks! These tech companies have created an environment that is not geared towards the local population. these tech workers are making more money than most of us, they are being offered extremely high salaries as well and stock options and bonuses, so they can afford to buy homes and teslas and expensive things, and the government is loving it all, because they are making a literal killing off property taxes, and payroll taxes etc. The Sad truth is that there is no money to be made from us locals, we are just in the way now taking up precious space. And then everyone seems like they are shocked and confused as to why the homeless and drug crisis????!!!! .......and that is even more alarming , that we have all had the wool pulled over our eyes with the smoke and mirrors of thhe pandemic, politics, race issues and police brutality. Sad.
As a bay area resident for almost my entire life, I can attest that this response is probably the only one that really holds any water. Tech industry is 100 percent the problem, and they've attracted H1B visa holders that have zero college debt in addition to six figure incomes. It's priced out native-born Americans.
@@franksanz1044 WHAT BUBBLE DO YOU LIVE IN MAN?! THE TECH FOLKS HAVE PRICED EVERYONE OUT OF HERE. THATS A FACT. WHERE DO YOU EXPECT 10s OF THOUSANDS OF HOMELESS ARE GOING TO GO? THE STATE HAS BEEN CLEARING OUT THE SIDES OF THE FREEWAYS, BUSHES, CREATING STREET PARKING CODES SO NO RVs CAN PARK AND SLEEP, ETC.....SO WHERE ARE ALL THESE FOLKS SUPPOSED TO GO? IM A LOCAL TOW TRUCK DRIVER, AND HAVE BEEN FOR ALMOST 2 DECADES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I REGULARLY TOW FOLKS OUT TO THE CENTRAL VALLEY THAT HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEIR HOMELESS POPULATION IS STAGGERING, AND I HAVE TOWED SEVERAL HOMELESS PEOPLE TO THESE LOCATIONS IN THE VALLEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN CHASED OUT OF HERE......AND THEN MANY OF THESE PEOPLE TURN TO DRUGS TO COPE WITH LOSING EVERYTHING. I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN TO THESE HOMELESS CAMPS IN THE VALLEY, PARTICULARLY MODESTO, WHERE THERE ARE LITERALLY BETWEEN 400- 600 EITHER TENTS OR TINY TINY HOMES IN ONE CAMP, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THESE CAMPS...WITH A HUGE FENCE , GATES AND SECURITY 24/7. ALL THE WHILE, DURING THIS PANDEMIC, I CAN TELL YOU AS A PERSON THAT DRIVES AROUND THE GREATER BAY ALL DAY EVERYDAY, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS NOT SLOWED DOWN AT ALL IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF MASSIVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT FOR SURE THE NATIVE LOCAL POPULATION CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN! SO PLEASE FURTHER BACK UP YOUR STATEMENT WITH SOMETHING VALID. I'LL BE AWAITING YOUR RESPONSE!!!
I did some public contract work in Dallas back in 2017, and there was a program in place that offered to bus any homeless person to San Francisco, LA, or Seattle on a free one-way ticket, or wait for us to finish our work.
All anyone had to do in order to qualify was name a relative in any of those places that they could conceivably room with. No proof needed, no plan of reintegration, no services offered, nothing...
And from what I've heard that was the norm in many parts of the country. "Greyhound Therapy" I think was the phrase a lot of people were using for the program.
Bottom line, I don't know why folks are trying to reduce the issue to any one cause in particular. There are many, many reasons for the homeless crises we see in many of these large metropolitan American cities.
There was a fascinating article in the guardian a few years back that showed how the homeless in America are just bussed around the country by law enforcement. 1 way tickets are bought for these people from one city to another. Not really a solution to the problem that actually works.
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It’s a good solution and everyone wins.
Dallas gets to keep its city safe and beautiful.
The homeless person gets to go to CA where they will be taken care of with open Arms.
CA residents feel all warm and fuzzy that they are helping a victim.
@@riuqpijfkdls sure now California has to deal with the homeless from other states as well that's very unfair
There is also the homeless industrial complex.
State and charities are spending billions on helping homeless/indigent and a lot of that is getting syphoned into the pockets of consultants and non-profit management
By giving someone the identity of victim you give them permission to forgo accountability for past, present and future actions.
Best comment by far.
if the conversation stops there, sure, but recognizing the root of a problem is the first step in solving it
what about the identity we give the elite? successful businessman, geniuses, philanthropists, heroes...when they are really all psychopaths. yeah i think that might be worth talking about a little more than not being hard enough on the person born into conditions most of us can't fathom
@@solo2873 yeah. all i'm saying is there are victims and to dismiss that is to dismiss the problem
They are in fact victims though. They are victims of a society that allowed this. They did not dream of being homeless.
I've been by any standard but my own homeless. I fortunately, though, was just homeless. Not an addict, though I definitely drank too much--but that was more self medication than addiction. But my point is I ran in homeless circles so to speak. And the lack of dignity is the quintessential problem, from a practical standpoint. Once you have crossed that many boundaries and been that degraded, it is very, very hard to make good or sane choices to better your situation. The idea of just giving people houses isn't born out of endless compassion. It's that it is impossible to love yourself enough to have kind of hope it takes to get up every morning and slog your way through it. It's not a question of who is accountable to whom. I promise you, after what I've seen, I'm no bleeding heart. We SHOULDN'T be so condescending. Lot's of people DO just need a good kick in the pants and to face some real consequences for once. Lot's of people ARE just deeply confused about what is truly important to make a good life and are learning it the hard way. Some are beautiful Jesus like souls. Some just think they are. Some are the skids temporarily, and some come to love the street life. But the cross section you are talking about--the fucking crazy drug addled methheads who have open dug wars on the street, and strip naked and don't live in reality and make the streets unsafe, who ARE a menace and should not be conflated with the endless variation of people without means--those people are not on the same planet. They're gone, okay. They have been replaced with zombies. Get their act together? What does it even mean to be accountable? The world makes no sense in that state. Accountability is an impossible ask--unless, hopefully, maybe they can get their bearings long enough to remember they are human beings. But like I said, Im not exactly a bleeding heart at this point. I don't think they should be allowed to camp on the streets. They need to either go someplace that can help them or go some place where they won't make every day terrifying. Ive seen cars blown up and malatov cocktails thrown through windows by these tweakers---the fact that we're doing nothing is abhorrent. But the goal is to do things that will work, and not breed more problems.
I’m with you. I spent a year in the “hotel circuit” amongst other addicts. I was a bukowski-esk alcoholic with little ties left on reality. Drank myself into oblivion and ended up homeless right when the pandemic hit. My fiancé and got sober after 4 months of getting kicked out of hotels all over OC, mingling with other drug addicts and alcoholics, it was very easy to see how these people get here. We stayed sober and after 7 months got ourselves out of that life. I have to say though, we didn’t meet one person during that time, that had ANY interest of getting out of the life. They were so satisfied with a wad of cash they made the night before, and a pocket full of dope, they think they are living the good life. They’re perception becomes so warped that they no longer even conceive the idea of stability. They’re extremely arrogant about it as well. Hookers who think they’re celebrities, druggies who think they’re rappers, and schizophrenics that will attack unprovoked was the lay of the land. This was in Anaheim and most of north Orange County. I am completely jaded by it all and I have no sympathy for them. I’d been destroying my life for over a decade with booze, and all it took for me to put it down was a positive pregnancy test from my now wife. It can be done, but these “zombie people” are just that…they’re zombies and they’re creating wastelands amongst society. There are two plagues we have currently..one of fentanyl, and one of inherently unjust sociopaths we call our leaders. I don’t see an end which is why I’ll be arming up and leaving this fuckin state. Luckily I was able to restart my career and I can work anywhere
I lived in San Francisco/Bay area from 1985 - 2015. We noticed a change around 1995 - 1996. It started turning more "grunge" around that time with homelessness, people using outside as a bathroom, and Overdosing on the street.
6th Street near Market street, Civic Center Plaza, the Mission District, the Tenderloin or TL and the Haight always had their own vibe and people who hung out there panhandling.
Back then you weren't afraid or uncomfortable going there because no one bothered you other than asking for spare change. They weren't violent and aggressive like now.
You could pay a homeless man a few dollars to watch your car if you were going to a restaurant or event and you parked your car outside of a parking garage and it would be safe when you returned.
Even though the politicans were Democrats, they were more Moderate:
Dianne Feinstein, Art Agnos, Frank Jordan, Willie Brown.
The current politicans, Tech companies, high rents, companies leaving to Conservative States have contributed to the demise of San Francisco.
I still have great memories and will always love San Fran regardless!
All relative.
I remember being in Berkeley off of Telegraph on a Saturday afternoon in the 80's and seeing a street person passed out in Durant Square.
I came back a few hours later to see the EMT's hauling him away DOA.
Other states are literally getting caught sending their homeless to California (SF, LA, and San Diego) with one-way train tickets...
@@N0tARapp3r They also choose to go there. Mild weather, easier access to drugs, the culture of homelessness (Skidrow comes to mind), they throw out drug charges, much easier to not have to post bond/bail, etc.
@@N0tARapp3r lol yea? cite sources
I've also heard that SF heavily favors renters versus those that own the rentals. Creates a high risk situation for landlords so they hike up the rent to cover any potential losses, or dont bother to rent at all and leave places vacant. Have you heard about this?
I’m so happy Michael Shellenberger is on. I ran across him several years ago talking sense about nuclear energy being the sustainable solution TODAY for cheaper, more abundant, cleaner energy
It always has been.
What about Fukishima . . . ??!!!😫
Nuclear power sounds so obvious when you learn it isn't nearly as risky as the past disasters and way more efficient than any other alternative.
@@XenoTravis all people think about when someone says that is Fukushima, 3 Mile Island, and Chernobyl sadly.
More people have died falling off ladders installing solar panels than from nuclear power 😂
It’s foolish to say that high rent isn’t a factor in SF’s homeless problem. The drug epidemic is a nationwide problem, but in most states drug addicts can still find a place to live while still having the drug problem.
Why aren't you using the word California? You are using "SF", you do mean San Francisco right?
So high rent is a problem in SF? Or in California? Should I keep going? Or can you already see where this is going?
PS; the "drug epidemic" is not a "nationwide" problem, it's a big city problem
Maybe reducing the drug prices might fix the problem
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 everything about the point you’re trying to make is wrong lol. Rent in SF is the highest on the west coast, and number 2 in the country as a whole for cities. And the drug epidemic is a very nationwide problem, not limited to cities at all. In 2015 people in rural areas were 4x more likely to die of an overdose than in the year 2000, because it is a problem everywhere, small town america is very affected by opioids.
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 Dude have you not watched the news in the past ten years? There's a drug epidemic across the country
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 you do realize all these homeless move from Red states to California. I talked to many if them snd they all moved from Red states
My cousin's best friend got addicted to opioid pain pills. Couldn't get them, and switched to heroin. OD death. Really sad ..
I’ve lived in SF for 18 years and 2 of the biggest factors contributing to the rise of homelessness aside from drug use is 1) Mayor Gavin Newsom’s “Care not cash” program was eliminated once he became LT gov and Mayor Ed Lee took over (the program transferred the $700 check homeless people would receive each month to a room in a single resident occupancy (SRO), and 2) after 2008 Google went IPO and hundreds if not a few thousand brand newly minted millionaires moved into the city and offered up to twice market rate or more for the most desirable housing, and Mayor Ed Lee also decided to give massive tax incentives for Silicon Valley based tech companies to move their offices or expand into the then and now still dilapidated Mid-Market region of San Francisco, with the idea that they would clean up the neighborhood and bring more retail and other businesses in. No such thing ever happened, and the city became flooded with tech-bros who ordinarily would have stayed in San Jose or Palo Alto now moving to SF and more than willing to pay $4k/month or more for a 1br apt. Naturally, anyone who used to be able to afford living here would either move away or move onto the streets.
yes the trickle down narrative is a lie and causes alot of what you described but seems to evade the blame
@@geoffvalero3516 always evade the blame and ppl STILL think democrats r for the working class!!! proof is in the pudding, red or blue, these ppl r in it to make the wealthy richer and THATS IT!!!
Can they just not go to the streets…. literally go anywhere else but the streets I hate seeing them
Thank you for this - you saved me time repeating you.
When I travelled to the US for the first time in 2009, I landed in San Francisco, and I was shocked at how bad the homeless situation was in the city there. Here I was dragging around a big suitcase (hey everybody, it’s me the tourist!), and quite a few homeless guys were approaching me for loose change. It was a big culture shock.
During that big vacation, I travelled widely in the US, and SF was clearly the worst I saw for homelessness. Followed by DC, strangely enough. I was expecting the worst to be in NYC, but I was wrong there.
Having said the above, homelessness in my city of Sydney AUS has gotten worse over the last 30 years too.
Cost of living, housing affordability
Sad but true
No it’s not sad but true. Did you REALLY! REALLY! Listen to the clip. It’s not a poverty problem. It’s a problem of the crack epidemic!!!!!!!
You head to liberal cities and you will find it.
Fight for your rights mate . Stay strong down there
That’s a big part of my life story also. I raced motorcycles in the early 2000’s. Lots of broken bones and surgeries at a time when docs were prescribing OxyContin like Advil. I got hooked, then when they stopped prescribing painkillers I switched to heroin. I finally got clean in 2012 but I wasted so many years in absolute misery. Life is great now and I have more than I ever thought I would. But I have a lifetime of regrets from that time of my life.
Thanks for your honesty.
Look at it like a life lesson. You learned and overcame. So glad you are doing well.
The Tragedy of American Compassion is an excellent book on this subject as well.
I was a Libertarian and then realized that society had to control drugs, drunkenness, homelessness and unlimited individualism.
Anarchism from the right or left leads to society sinking to the lowest common denominator.
It should be controlled not as a criminal problem but as a health issue.
I’m not completely Libertarian, but I’m more libertarian (lower case l).
Just finished this entire 3 hour podcast and came back just to say it was an incredible interview in terms of both information learned, new perspective gained, and overall very entertaining. 100% would recommend giving it a full listen.
Very informative. Funny how me mentions Gavin Newsom “isn’t a reader” 😂 such a funny way of expressing his negative view on him
I honestly feel bad for hard working Californians right now what with the surge in shoplifting, homelessness and now with the ban on gas powered lawn maintenance equipment.
They get what they voted for, unfortunately / fortunately.
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@The Human Spider who cares about the homeless right?
Banning gas powered lawn maintenance really fucks with small lawn care businesses gotta get all new equipment
The people who tolerated communism are now stuck with commies? Boo f'in hoo.
The origin of the overwhelming majority of homelessness in this Country is Reaganomics.
At least he’s bringing attention to long overlooked problems homelessness, networks lying, the problems with overgrowth of various industries and the many problems that creates
But these aren't overlooked problems. As Joe pointed out in other interviews, California has spent BILLIONS on the homeless problem. The issue is government corruption - much of the money never makes it to the people who need it. Joe referred to it as "farming the homeless" which I think describes the situation perfectly.
@@JM-io4vb "Throwing money" at things never helps. Look at our school systems.
I was sitting in a circle in Golden gate park and then Mayor Newsom and his posse came strolling through, assessing the "drug problem" By the next week hundreds of homeless had been arrested for cannabis possession or fled, I too fled. Now him and his buddies are rich from legalization and all those poor people still have records.
The homeless problem in Stockton and Sacramento are also extremely bad. It's scary, I worry for my families safety. It feels like we need some kind of federal help or something here in California. It's horrible.
I hear ya. The central valley is becoming a shit hole
I saw the match that ignited homeless problem in SF. It was 1978 and from my seat on the "8 Market" bus I saw a crowd of bums appear in tents near the CIvic Center. Art Agnos was the mayor and he said it was ok for the bums to live there. It was like a brush fire that got out of control, to be the mess it is today. If only the fire was extinguished back then.
What I’ve seen: Activists who view homelessness as a non-judgmental lifestyle choice whose proposed solutions are always “give them free stuff”. They tend to overlook the mental health problems that lead to being “unhoused”.
That is what the guest said. Holding them accountable isn’t allowed anymore. They’re victims. The USA is now a huge purveyor of this victim mentality.
It's always a hoot when these same lefties get victimized as a result of their "open all borders, give everything away" attitude. But their warped minds just lead them to believe it's always someone else's fault.
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@@TH-camCensorsMe yes. Also drug prohibition: I’ve talked with homeless people who spend $100+ per day on their addiction. That’s over $40,000 per year in pre-tax income! England solved this problem by medicalising drugs which eliminates the criminal, health, and economic impacts of addiction.
“It’s hard to pinpoint a single thing.” Meaning impossible. Drugs are a symptom. It’s mental health at root. Then add the well-intentioned but horrible political, legal, celebrity, and community interventions along with no accountability and you get the problem we see now.
Plenty of otherwise mentally healthy people get into drugs and it ruins them, its not as if mental illness is always the pipeline to drug use, if anything it can just as easily be the other way around.
Mental issues can cause drug use, drug use can cause mental illness, and poverty could either cause or result from either.
The major cause of drug addiction, especially with the mentally ill, is people trying to self medicate their problems away. When those problems are mental illness, it's a real recipe for disaster.
@@kobeh6185 I think people underestimate the prevalence of mental health issues. Drug abuse is very much connected to mental health in that it used to self medicate. Anise/misuse of drugs, food, sex, gambling, and other things are very often all symptoms of untreated mental health problems.
@@davidluchsinger7377 that is true, all im saying is that often drugs are a major factor is making those mental issues more debilitating than they would have already been, or can create mental disorders themselves.
@@kobeh6185 Gotcha. Yeah agreed.
Love how the federal govt involvement in the opioid crisis always neglected.
The federal govt started demanding that pain be the 5th Vital Sign. Inpatients were not allowed to have a VAS pain score of more than 4 without adequate narcotics. Physicians had been taught for decades to restrict narcotic prescription due to fear of addiction.
During these mandates all those studies were said to be invalid and addiction potential in the postoperative period was impossible.
Pharma took advantage of these mandates and (especially percocet and oxycontin) became standard postoperative management due to marketing efforts (which wouldn't have worked if mandates were not in place).
Very insightful. This is why many people are Mrs. Doubt Pfizer, and are demanding to protect their rights against the "Mandate" -the govt is here to help you and saving lives BS propaganda.
The idea you're a bad doctor if you're patient is in pain came vein the govt. They used the nurses as enforcers. You would get phone calls that you're patient had a pain score of 5 and they wanted to give then morphine for the pain. If you said no, you'd be written up and you'd have to explain yourself. JCAHO would do audits on pain scores and physician response and hospitals would get fined. So protocols were implemented on what to give for each pain score.
Big pharma couldn't infiltrate the hospital nurses and administrators.
That's not to say they didn't hit the marketing hard. But the govt wants you to blame big pharma and not realize that they set up the environment.
So postoperative pain patients started getting addicted (~10%) and then they would start visiting pill mills.
Then the govt started cracking down on pill mills and the addicts turned to fentanyl.
Then China started getting involved and sending Mexico the ingredients to create their own batches. Then the deaths started spiking.
So the govt jumps in to save us from the epidemic that they started.
Now doctors have to check Eforse everything they prescribe a narcotic and assess abuse potential. If they don't they will be fined per occurrence.
So what do doctors do? They don't prescribed any more narcotics because they don't want to be fired.
So the real chronic pain patients (injuries, autoimmune disorders, rheumatolgoical conditions, fibromylagia, etc) don't have providers writing them prescriptions.
So they have to go to pain centers and sit for hours to get a 30day supply of narcotics and repeat this again in 30 days. Then theybshow up one day to find out an auditor reviewed their file and have mandated that they receive half the dose for the to 3 months.
So the real pain patients go to the streets to manage their pain.
Had the govt not stepped in, and let the professionals do what they had been doing for 100 years, there would be no opiod crises.
Big pharma is the scape goat the govt uses to redirect your attrntion away from them.
I can go into medical error mandates as well and show how govt mandates via EMTALA and price control lead to medical errors and rising costs of Healthcare. And how in 15 years with CME, time outs, root cause analysis, and $20 billion dollars spent there has been no drop in medical errors. But thats another video .
And now its impossible to get opiates. I'm a disabled vet and live in constant agony because it is impossible for me to get opiates legally. No doctor will prescribe them to me. The crackdown on opiates hurts people as well.
@@bucknasty69 this right here is one of the seriously overlooked side effects of the opioid crackdown. I've been trying to manage a fairly severe case of Crohn's disease for almost 15 years, and after trying everything except surgery I've found nothing even close to being as life changing and effective for managing pain & symptoms than certain opiates which are almost impossible to get now. Regardless of what people like Joe Rogan might say, there are some individuals out there who can't live a normal life without these drugs. Unfortunately the panic caused by deaths from overdoses, street drugs laced with fentanyl etc is affecting a group of people who need these medications
@@cloudbloom You are right about drugs like Noco being nearly impossible to get prescribed. I was hobbling with a cane and bent over in severe pain when I saw my doc. Nothing prescribed. When I was unable to sleep for 3 days because of the pain I would up in the ER. They gave me a couple of shots of morphine and prescribed the Noco. I was able to tolerate physical therapy and after 5 months, I'm doing well. The point is, when your pain level is an 8 some intervention is necessary in order to heal and sleep. Telling doctors they shouldn't use them and monitoring the doIcs closely is an error in the opposite direction and may impede healing.
P.S. I didn't get addicted.
This guy is a beast at articulating his points. Excellent speaker
subsidize homelessness you get more homelessness.
put a free donut sign infront of your store and people come for free donuts.
That’s the dumbest statement I’ve ever read. Thanks for that
Someone said that recently on another podcast.
So, we should invest in affordable housing, so we get more affordable housing? Good idea.
I worked at McDonald's when I was younger, and we sent out all these "free with any purchase" coupons for a new product roll out. The only problem was the geniuses in marketing put the "FREE!!!!" part big and bold and the "with any purchase" part down at the bottom, in fine print. So we got absolutely bombarded by people trying to come in for a free sandwich and getting pissed off when they learned they had to buy something. Total nightmare.
@@joehilner4830 Portland invests millions in affordable housing. Go visit and tell me why they have thousands of homeless shitting on sidewalks and setting up tents in the street. You can't help those that don't want it.
Some of the hardest people on addicts that I've known are recovered addicts themselves.
Yeah.im guilty of it.deep down we want to drop responsibility and live it up like the others.we have the mentality of IF WE HAVE TO SUCK IT UP.SO SHOULD THEY
They know that there's a way out of the cycle,and they know the only way is to treat addiction like the sickness it is.
Because there is a way out but at the same time we also know an understand that it's a choice
@Dungeon Master I think that's true to the extent that it's an illness. But cancer patients can't exercise their own agency to change their life and get rid of their problem. There also isn't a group of activists who think that cancer is a "lifestyle choice" and that encouraging people to get surgey/chemo/radiation is "victim blaming."
Years ago there was that homeless guy on the various corners everyone knew of. Now it's that block of homeless people in every neighborhood
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This makes no sense because companies are struggling to find staff.
@@farzana6676 I mean if jobs that pay well lower their qualifications then maybe I’ll apply but until then I’ll work in a dead end job that’s okay with my mediocrity
@@xxo-deathshot-oxx2047 Yeah but either way, even working a dead end job and renting a room. Sharing a house with other like minded workers means there shouldn't be a homeless epidemic.
How can there be so many homeless people when companies are saying they're struggling to find employees.
@Dungeon Master Lol, you're a fool. And it's clear by your absurd economics, you've never owned nor even rented a home in your entire life.
Regarding the rest of your comment about being harder to get a job due to being homeless, I can't comment on it. It might or might not be true.
As somebody who struggled with Heroin pills and fentanyl for six years I’m 11 months sober now and I would say that it gets so debilitating if it wasn’t for somebody taking initiative and making sure I follow up with direction I would be dead! Any process towards sobriety isn’t going to be easy or comfortable or sensitive we have been rendered sick and impaired of any clear judgment whatsoever your moral compass needs to be replaced don’t even bother with the old one it’s dead now and will leave the vulnerable to relapse being made uncomfortable to make a change! Is a vital and necessary part of the journey!
Counting down the days till JRE is off Spotify and starts his own platform... but I'm one of millions that would like him back on TH-cam atleast!
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In my city in Cali they give tents and camping equipment away every year to the homeless. A couple months later most of it ends up at the pawn shops.
Gotta respect the hustle
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My observation as a regular visitor of the US over about the last 15 years is that 15 years ago homelessness was the reserve of the addicted and sick who lived in tents tucked away out of sight, under bridges, in tunnels, in bushes, etc.
This year I visit to see that it's no longer just pockets of tents, but whole homeless communities, no longer just with addicts and the sick but whole families too. People now living in motorhomes, cars and make shift huts. It's become not just a problem of health and addiction but an issue of a seriously broken system that lets whole families slip through the cracks.
It's no longer something people can look at and say "take drugs and that's the result" but it's grown to something much bigger. It's now become an issue of not paying the bills on time falling pray to the cut throat nature of the US system and businesses.
It's very very sad to see.
I wouldn't necessarily call someone living in an RV homeless. I've lived on a boat for over a year, three different times. The boat was my home. I'll probably do it with an RV when I am too told to handle the boat.
@@ralphholiman7401 that's fair point. It's more the location, environment and surrounding community that set them apart from people who do it by choice/pleasure and those who are doing it for necessity. :/
@@thomasraven2024 , it's necessary for some people to live in smaller homes than others. That doesn't make them homeless. Just look at the tiny home movement, for one.
@@ralphholiman7401 Other than picking nits through the use of anecdotal ,exception-based semantics, what is your intent with these posts? Are you refuting the broader assertions made by the OP? Reading the conversation, it appears to me that you are simply playing the role of contrarian for the sake of being provocative. In any logical analysis, a clear distinction exists between someone who makes a conscious choice to adopt a motorhome or boat as their permanent place of residence and people who are living in something other than a a fixed, terrestrial structure out of necessity. The same is true for tiny homes. You don't strike me as someone so naive as to not understand the not so subtle differences between these situations. Therefore, it begs the question, what is your point?
The US hasn't experienced real wage growth since the 70s. Something has got to give.
I'm from Sao Paulo Brazil and i thought that my city had homeless folks but when i traveled to SF i was like: wtheeeeeeell boi
I was a bike commuter coming from a club I closed in Jack London Sq, Oakland. Rode my bike north straight thru the city hall area, aka Occupy.
For the last decade I’ve watched homelessness go from blankets on the ground to tents to, now, whole goddamn mini houses!
like brazillian favelas? unreal..
Apparently, there have always been homeless encampments/shantytowns in Oakland though, stemming back to the great depression.
@@diffusesingularity2760 Wrong. You aren't even from out here. Stop making false statements on some "I guess" type shit.
Great job explaining the problems in SF!! I’m a native SAN Franciscan. That is exactly how drugs and homelessness took over SF!!
Yup I got a prescription for OxyContin back in 2006 for a broken leg. That sent me on a spiral of addiction for about 12 years. Thanks big pharma
I’m definitely not a fan of pharma either, but I had a major knee surgery & I stopped taking any pain pills on the morning of day 3 after surgery. The pain was definitely still there, but it wasn’t bad enough to justify taking them anymore.
Point being, you chose to continue. And continue. And continue.
I’m genuinely sorry about that struggle, but your choices had a lot to do with it.
@@internet_internet True.. Very True
@@internet_internet Whether or not it's a 'choice' to continue the drug, the government officials and the owners of the opiate patents need to be punished for lying about the risks and bribing doctors to prescribe them. We can't just watch something like the drug epidemic unfold and just say 'It was your choice bro', and let the assholes who make billions off of it get away with contributing to the downfall of civilisation. It sets such a bad precedent for society that will inevitably lead to the same type of shit happening over and over again until someone's greed and stupidity just kills us all.
He has a lot of truth and some Bull crap mixed in his analysis. Gary Null has been doing documentaries on homeless crisis for years. High cost of living is a huge factor too. Lots of people go to jail for crimes. This guy is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The system is broken all around
Yeah he says high rent isnt a factor. If thats true then why is it only the most expensive cali cities that have this level of homelessness? There are drug addicts everywhere, not just in SF.
Hey! Anyone who's struggling out there, don't give up! I'm praying for you everyday. You got this
Forgot mention how California budgets $50-60k on each homeless person to live in a tent. I work for the government at a top University here in San Diego making 52k so technically I'm budgeted as a homeless person? I live a pretty good life. Come on California where is that money really going 🙄
How do you afford a home in SD on only $52k/yr?
@@nuothe11th Family exists
Plunkitt of Tammany Hall is a very entertaining book, and probably the bible for CA politicians.
Lookup Martin vs City of Boise , its been in LA and SD newspapers and news 30+ times since case began and it's what changed homelessness enforcement permanently.
@@nuothe11th living with roommates/ partner 👌
Just 2 weeks ago I drove from Sacramento to LA. The camps we passed were astounding....
Shout out to Sacramento!! Lived most of my young teen and adult years there
Not like it's an economic depression or anything.
VOTE BLUE GET POO
@@MrKevinEaddy Beautiful area man!
This Guy is great
I was formally homeless due to my addiction to opiates. Eventually I got sober and now work in treatment. My lived experience suggested what this guy is saying is %100 accurate!
This interview could have been 6 hours long and I would’ve easily watched it all in one sitting.
A large percent of the homeless population are not the usual " mentally ill " or " drug addicts " . In 2021 a lot are actually just simply the working poor.
Michael Shellenberger is a hack fraud.
Alot of homeless people in my town are just veterens who cant keep a job. I see more collage students do crack and heroin then the homeless but maybe thats because i only walk by the homeless camp
@@varianford5427 Many of those veterans can't keep jobs because of mental health issues
"To victims give everything and demand nothing"
Yikes this is a powerful statement and I would love to hear a "victim" explain how this statement makes them feel.
Well since we all seem to be victims of something nowadays tell us how it makes you feel and I will tell my victim story too haha
Watch me not care.
San Francisco has always had homelessness problem. It is one of the most expensive cities in America. The rent in San Francisco is ridiculously high, a one bedroom in an 80 year old building could go as high as $ 3000. dollars per mount. Drug addiction is just one of the problems that is contributing to homelessness but there are many others. That said , it is a city that I love for as long as I live.
It did not always have a problem. It started just about the time Uni-party rule started. Around mid 1960s. And since then it has been carefully nurtured into big enough proportion to hold the city hostage. Its a completely manageable issue that is unintentionally being mismanaged.
Let’s go Brandon!
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What’s that mean?
@@jakeaild94 It means "fuck joe biden". It was chanted at a Nascar race and the politically correct reporter/news outlet for the race didn't like hearing that so they changed it to "lets go brandon" to basically cover it up. There's PLENTY of videos on it
This is actually the correct reason of homelessness, government taxation, welfare programs, and involvement in our everyday life...
@@NotAnEconomist suuuuuure! And all the psychotic’s out on the streets can’t be Ronnie Reagan’s fault?
Call it what u want but republicans and democrats have made this a reality.
would love to hear a segment on the effect asylum's closing across the country did
Oh boy. That would be quite insightful lol
Now all the nuts are running the country.
@@1pcfred exactly! or at the very least the only voice they will listen too because it offers them more control over the majority! i believe it was our crippling point from our greatest achievements. yes they were very poorly run but that could have been changed. releasing them created generational problems in mental health and poverty not to mention disease.
@@docvalentines We are in the end game of the Calhoun Rat Experiment. Everyone is nuts today. Modern problems!
Not a single word on the rise of the Tech Industry. I've been in Oakland for 13 years. As the tech industry has grown so has the homeless population. The amount of home displacement, loss of jobs, and rent increase definitely have a huge impact. Where there's more money there's more greed. This dude only covers a small reason of why homelessness exists. I volunteer at a local organization and see the problems first hand.
I lived in SF for over 15 years. I moved in in may of 2006. And the homeless problem didn’t appear until 2011. It exploded in 2015
Shit, I was 15 y/o getting Rx's for vicodins (& percocet) with 2 refills per visit (laws have changed). Granted, they WERE for prescribed for legitimate reasons; had multiple surgeries at a young age.
But looking back that was WAYYYY TOO YOUNG. My Dr's. had me go from codeine /Tylenol #3's immediately to vicodin & percocet.
I HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WOULD DO when I stopped taking them. . .I remember thinking I was going crazy from the flu. It wasn't until my 20's that I realized I'd been going thru w/d's everytime my Dr.'s would start & stop me on those fkng things, when I was just a kid in High school.
In my mind, I thought I was just taking something that was helping me, my body heal? GyotDAMN I was naíve.
I wouldnt call that naive. Id call that ignorant (but you were a kid so thats expected and not a critique of your character).
Your doctor absolutely should have told you the known dangers of the drug… but they likely didnt know themselves as the company that produces the opiates does everything in their power to minimize the knowledge, ESPECIALLY to doctors at medication conferences.
You are very lucky. As an addict a long time user friend of mine had asked me a simple question regarding a similar scenario. The conversation was about the first time we knew we were addicted and going through withdrawal and the first time we got sick and didn't know we were addicted. The question: Would it be better to go through heroin withdrawal in complete ignorance thinking it was a bad flu or carry the extra burden of association? I choose ignorance and he choose the other. Ignorance is bliss and as an addict who has been through plenty of withdrawals I would happily trade a car crash where I'd get my memory temporary wiped than deal with that craziness.
You weren't supposed to stop. You were supposed to buy them illegally when your scripts stopped .
You weren’t naive you just eventually figured it out that could’ve happened to you when you were older, it’s good it happened and you figured it out when you did.
you are 1000% spot on.
I think a lot of this stems from the breakdown of the family system. In a past era most of these dysfunctional people would be living with relatives. Now that everyone is more independent, they have no interest in housing such people in their own home. It's easier to let them wander the streets.
Which also ties into the world's housing shortage.
@@marcdemontbron9657 Idk if there's a shortage, just maybe in the urban areas where rent is so high. There are literally hundreds of ghost town subdivisions that were created during the housing collapse of 07. There used to be anyway, IDK if most of those were demolished or fixed up and sold since then
The family unit has nothing to do with it. It can actually be linked to the defunding of the state sponsored mental institutions in the 80's. Before that point families would dump their mentally deficient members into an institution.
Have dyslexia or down syndrome? Get dumped in an institution.
Color blind or epileptic? Institution.
Once those places were closed we saw a huge boom in the homeless population around the country. Also the average family in America has not been educated on how to handle or work with mentally deficient family members, so unfortunately it is quite common in our country for families to cut lose a person instead of learning how to help them.
Also very true.
@@matthewgabbard6415 There is a housing shortage EVERYWHERE. Many ghost subdivisions were unlivable & needed to destroyed (most of those were built out of mortgage fraud). But there just isn’t enough housing for the amount of people that need it throughout the US.
Went over and watched the full episode and really enjoyed it. Agree we need to restore consequences for bad behavior.
As long as SF gets money for having a large homeless population, there will always be a massive homeless problem
I think too often people try to point to "THE problem" instead of saying that something is simply a contributing factor to a problem. High rents are certainly a contributing factor (and I can only speculate the percentage), but it's not the entire reason for homelessness. I also think this a component of how dialogue dies. One side points to the thing that they think is the total problem while another side points to something else. It's hard to solve a problem when people can't agree exactly what to fix.
If rent is too high, does it not make sense to MOVE area before things get so severe that you become homeless? Idk but that is basic common sense
@@thetagang6854 That is true and I also make this argument, but other reasons include (but not limited to) mental health and drug addiction.
Yes. Easy answers with no nuance are ideological, and lazy.
The thing is most homeless people have mental illness and drug addiction. So even if you lower the rent very few landlord with want them as a new tenant, especially if the have a better candidate. So I personally do not think it would have much of an effect. In Quebec we have quite a few coop apartments where you just pay a percentage of your income. It takes about two years on a waiting list to have one of those apartment. They are often much cheaper than other apartments. Yet they do not have the capacity to deal with drug addicts or people dealing with mental addiction. You need to have a clean record to get one of those apartments.
I appreciate this comment. Thanks kev
I grew up as a kid in Santa Cruz in the 90's. Santa Cruz is ULTRA liberal and their liberal digression has always been about 15 years in front of SF in terms of wackiness. What Santa Cruz did was make it super easy for homeless people to come out into the open and exist as a homeless person within the city. They provided soup kitchens, tent cities, water, portable toilets, instituted police policies of non intervention, ect blah blah blah. As you would expect word got out and the homeless population in CA flocked there. Same shit happened in SF. If you make something easier you'll get more of it, make something harder you'll get less of it. Simple law of human nature, everything else is just a compounding factor.
Yeah dude, i lived in SC for 2.5 years from 2010-2013 and I was warned by locals not to be downtown after dark by myself, and even during the day I would get heckled by crazy people or mocked by homeless dudes wanting my money. One guy took food and was happy about it, but he was old and had a long story. The young homeless guys were always jerks. After I left, I followed the local news and kept in touch with my sister who still lives there, and it only got worse. They had a big city meeting over the growing homeless, drug addicted population and couldn't figure out what the hell to do.
It's like, all the rich yuppies live around the mess and talk about it, but none of them do anything about it. All the volunteers I ever met were college students and older women who grew up there.
@@xtiphuny89 Yeah, the trope is that SC is where hippies go to grow old. Don't get me wrong, they're well intentioned, but those policies simply don't work. Unfortunately, that city has always been unable to make necessary decisions to reign in it's problems. The extreme progressives are actually EXTREMELY judgmental and unforgiving within it's own community and virtue signaling is huge. Any hint that you are a moderate on an issue like this and you'll be ostracized and ridiculed.
I live in Oakland and I can tell you, it got bad in the last ten years with a cocktail of Big Tech, tech workers, and Gavin Newsome. They have a circle of wealth that isn't shared with the common resident of the bay area. They make money and spend it amongst themselves...when you bring a bunch of money into a city and don't spend locally, small businesses go belly up. They move in and don't shop at small businesses, so rent goes up because income has gone up. Income has gone up but it isn't locals making the money. It's the outsiders they bring in to work. So now rent goes up, cost of living goes up, and people who have been here can't afford to live here. Why? They aren't making any of this new money. In 2014 I was working two jobs and minimum wage was still $8/HR. Yet the rent was crazy. Couldn't afford to live. Yet I'm seeing young white and Asian people move in to buildings that were once abandoned. They are now fixed up and looking nice. On the street I grew up on (31 st street) there are big brown gates in front of every house. There used to be only two gates on that street. They moved in and barricaded themselves. They only shop at big box stores or Amazon and don't bother coming out ever. The problem with homelessness now is it isn't just mentally ill or drug addicts. It's working class people as well. The people who were on the bubble in housing barely making it were forced out to make room for new employees who can afford the rent that's only high because they now live here. I see the problem. Until people around here get serious and stop acting like tech isn't the problem, then it won't get fixed. It's not even the workers that are the problem as much as it's the politicians who never cared about the citizens enough to make tech pay for the problems they knew they would cause. How can the city of Oakland police dept have a budget funding issue when the company Twitter is located here? Aren't they taxpayer funded? Well if the most financially successful companies aren't paying taxes comparable to your local deli worker then who's paying for this shit? All this "income" and the city broke....how is that? Maybe Google can buy Oakland and kick the rest of our broke asses out so they can bring more Romanians in to code. Ahhh sweet capitalism.
^ This.
I printed a list of available resources for the homeless in my city. I always carry a few with me and i give to anyone who looks like they need help. I look them in the eyes and tell them there's help if they want it. They always show kindness and appreciation. When i give them the respect as a person, they act like a repectful person.
Until you hand it to a hipster and he reports you for hate speech from his iphone 13
That's a great way to go about it. At the end of the day, it's them that have to make a change in their lives. But they have to know what to do and where to ask for help.
Joe i got mad respect for you. I'm glad u haven't sold out . I'm really happy to see you stand up an put them on blast for straight out lying . Hope the best for you .
Well he moved to Spotify, that's kinda selling out. Agree though
@@Unoriginalswine still free though
@@Unoriginalswine TH-cam would eventually shadow ban his convos
Socialism now that sounds good.
@@Tukuklan TH-cam never made him issue an apology or made him retract a statement though
I'm waiting for Joe to talk about Fury vs Wilder III.
He did. On the podcast with Bert. The morning after the fight.
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He's too busy bringing up "Cancel Culture" and "Transgender Athletes" for the 100th time. He's got to hit all the buzzwords and jargon that keeps Libertarian viewers (which are polled as his biggest viewing demographic) glued to whatever they're viewing him on.
I will do it for you.
Wilder was a self declared "greatest" we all now know the truth, hes total junk and should never have been a champ.
Fury beat a terrible Klitschko, thats it, thats all hes done of note.
Heavyweight boxing has been terrible since Lennox Lewis retired.
@@richardarnez4932 Society is rotten and good people are losing everything.
Stop talking about it bro - You right now.
These cities need a strong dose of tough love.
Sweep the streets clean of the homeless and evaluate each person, incarcerate the criminals, give medical aid to those who need it, give mental illness help to those who need it.
House the people who want help and are willing to help themselves.
It will cost a lot of money, but, the solution will benefit everyone in the city.
The fact that it would cost a lot of money is why nothing is being done about it.
If there was money to be MADE in helping the homeless, the Government would address all those points you made within a week.
@Ms. Speak Tha Truth the Democratic Party control over large cities is a byproduct of a urban mindset.
People who are born into a system that they seem to think owes them.
The graft and corruption are not held in check because the system is so large, and the citizens just consider it part and parcel to doing business in a large governmental system.
People raised to work in a rural area are use to less government control and want even less, this creates a division that we see exaggerated by the media today.
This isn’t a red vs blue issue it’s a urban vs rural issue.
You can’t expect a farmer who opens a small dairy item and baked goods store front to make some extra money for his/her family to abide by being forced to build a transgender bathroom when the population of transgender people in his area is zero.
But the democrats want an across the board rule of law for everyone everywhere.
And this small example is only a small example of things that might float in a big city but not in the small towns across America.
Gun control in a city where the police are 2 to 5 minutes away might make sense because of gang violence and criminals, but the family who has to wait 30 minutes to an hour for help of any kind to arrive is going to need to protect their own lives and property.
The major problem with these two situations is the gangs and criminals will get guns no matter how much gun control you have,,,, because they are criminals to begin with, and criminals don’t follow the rules or laws that the law abiding citizens obey.
@Ms. Speak Tha Truth so the Democratic Party has the best interest of the people in these ghettos?
Then why are there still having the same problems? The Democratic Party has had control of the inner cities for over 60 years, but these ghettos still exist? The same political system makes more voters in the same system in the same ghettos for generations now.
Yet you’re blaming the GOP?
I still think the democrats are fostering slavery, but now the citizens under the democratic system are the product not the work force, the votes that give these democrats power is the end game.
Don’t vote for a living, work for a living.
@@ianstradian I think it's just different people every few years that have the same problem. Not many people stay homeless addicts in the streets that long. Something happens to intervene usually
Most people probably don't know that as of recent Sacramento, relative to its population, actually has far more homeless than SF. "Sacramento, which is separated by about 87 miles from San Francisco across the nearby bay, now has a staggering 952 homeless people per 100,000 citizens, versus 503 per 100,000 in San Francisco" - Daily Mail
I went to San Francisco in the 90s. I was out at a large park and noticed all these people had shopping carts full of their belongings. At the time I felt like it was in control. Boston homeless are usually found leaning against a building . They had very little and so homeless with shopping carts was strange to me
As a 47yo Native I can say from someone who has lived back and forth for almost 30 years the curbside camping only started with the Sanctuary City Designation less then 10 years ago before that Haight St was the only area homeless could hangout on the sidewalk.
You guys and the speaker are full of shit. The problem is the drug problem in America. Everything, including marijuana has been so "refined" that people can no longer "maintain" or have a habit & still somewhat have a normal life. Their addiction has become everything to them. I was raised around old school drug addicts that have heroine, pot, an alcohol issues and still took some steps to maintain their lives. Don't blame others or "politicians" for your problems. We have basically almost had to decriminalize drugs as so many addicts end up being a burden and incarcerated. Get real.
This has nothing to do with homes less
@@tzermonkey Not always but a lot of addicts are addicts because of bad parenting and child abuse and much more. These beings were never taught personal responsibility and much more and were treated less than dogs in their eyes for some and just stopped caring. As an adult you obviously need to get shit together in life but many drug addicts would not exist if not for parents who decided to have children instead of getting an abortion. Now this kid has mentally ill / drug addicted parents and the kid is mentally / physically sexually abused / not truly wanted and grows up to be angry and take it out on other innocent peoples lives. This is the reality and good and caring parenting will solve most all issues in society or just not having children at all to reduce population.
@Alberg Tell us more. Educate us on problems that you never had to see HERE first-hand by growing up your whole life in the environment. Tell us more personal opinion and label it as fact.
We should also note how incredibly expensive it is to live in the San Francisco metro area. One of the most expensive areas to live. I think the median rent is upwards of $2800 for a one bedroom. This is a wicked problem which means there are multiple factors contributing to this Issue which makes it almost impossible to combat. Drugs, economic conditions, lack of access and terrible policies are just a few contributing factors.
But you move an hour away and it isn’t as expensive, high rent makes people move, it doesn’t turn them into druggie homeless folk.
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rent has nothing whatsoever to do with "homelessness".
@@TheShootist Chronic homelessness, not the homelessness crisis as whole, which has an awful lot to do with exploding rents in SF and LA.
Michael Shellenberger is a saint. Please America acknowledge this. Do not be ashamed to think this.
It's the weather(great weather in SF). Also Reagan getting rid of the Mental Hospitals. Plus the ever shrinking middle class. And the Drugs are getting worse.
E-LO! hows opie doing?
Reagan also cut a huge amount of funding for HUD, so people no longer had access to affordable housing.
@@powderandpaint14 Portland spends MILLIONS on affordable housing and trying to fix their homeless problems. One of the worst homelessness issues in the US. Tents everywhere, people shitting on the streets, drug needles in parks. You are gonna need to stop watching MSNBC if you want to see the real reasons.
@@afa304 Portland? But is it genuinely affordable, if it's not helping to get homeless people off the street and into long term housing then it's not helping.
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This is an excellent podcast episode, highly recommend watching the full episode!
As a person who lives in San Francisco and has been homeless here I can tell you that this guy is a shyster, and this episode is crap. Almost nothing in this clip is true. Tent encampments weren't started by Occupy, for example.
Why? Dissing on drug users when he drinks wine every night?
@@ranelrimas6523 yes fentanyl and meth that Floyd sold are no different than wine. 🙄 also riots are peaceful and people in trailerparks are privileged oppressors.
@@a.d.4536 Don't misinterpret me. Calling people "just drug addicts" is a different thing. Selling drugs is also not a bad thing, hence the alcohol you bought this past year. Again, hypocrisy.
I was homeless. Literally, the car, and couch surfing. I smoked weed but had periods when I could only buy a dime a month, nothing at all, or an ounce a week when I was making enough to get out of homelessness in a few months. There's definitely a lot of unwell & addict people in the system, but there is also people on hard times that just doesn't have the family or friend to help them out.
I now have about 20k in the bank and a roof for the past 10yrs, but the money is for surgery. I can't afford insurance. Unless I can somehow get insurance, surgery, then cancel it. If I lost this job around when I finally get my surgery I will definitely be in my car again. Then maybe a tent when insurance is due.
Ain't life beautiful
God bless... If he's still about giving those blessings out idk if he still does that anymore
Have you tried getting a job at Amazon? They have great health insurance. That sucks, im sorry
@@hollywoodlibertarian my highschool buddy worked there for a dollar less than I make and a $500/mo stipend less. Said it's good in a pinch but dead end. Which matched up with the bad stuff you hear about the Warehouse. No idea about drivers
Hope you're able to do the things you need to with as little complications as possible.
SF native here since the 80s, when I'm born. SF has always been rough. It isn't new. Some neighborhoods became fancy, some got worse. But the homelessness and drug use seemed to get really bad after the 2008 crisis. Things bounced back a bit around 2010 but it got nasty downtown again around 2016 or so, it was a slow uptick to the point where it was already quite bad around 2018, 2019, many shops were boarded up around Market and Montgomery, including shops that had been there for decades. Covid was the final nail in the coffin. It got really crazy in a lot of areas. TL has always been a mess though. That has never changed.