Abbey Road One GRAND BRASS - Worst Spitfire Library?
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Abbey Road One GRAND BRASS sounds outstanding! Very well recorded section of four horns and tuba as well as a combination of horns and cellos. Very easy to play. Powerful swells. Beautiful room sound. You have to hear it to believe it.
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“It’s not what libraries you’ve got, it’s how good you are at using them”
I couldn’t agree more Marc.
Not at all true, no matter how good you are, you will be limited to the sounds capable if you do not have either good libraries or certain libraries. If you try making a symphonic orchestral cue but decide to use studio recorded libraries with few players. Then your not getting a symphonic sound. If you making intimate mellow sections but instead use a library like Ark 1 instead of a library made specific to that sound. Well it’s gonna sonically clash due to style differences (although ark 1 might be able to pull it off). Require a piece that requires bass clarinet but your library doesn’t contain that instrument, well you miss out. Sample libraries are really different to synths. The cheaper the sample library, the more it’s quality reflects its price. BBCSO discover is free and really does a bang up job, but it’s still to limited for even competent composers.
Better yet if you need to have full control of each section ( which there are multitude of reasons why you need those individual section). but your library is all ensembles that make it impossible to play certain instruments but themselves. Well your fucked.
@@toddfrombethesda6963rubbish. Give a "poor" library to a talented composer and you'll see what they can do
Haha the skit at the start was gold. I watch your videos and I see the passion you have for music and the world of samples and mockups. Keep up the amazing work :)
I liked this review a lot. I would love watching more reviews done by you. You’re very thorough.
Haha. Love the intro.
Thanks Ed!! LOL!!
Scared me bumping into the Moog
Great stuff man! The way I've been dealing with SpitFire is I buy everything I can afford, Grand Brass falls right into this category. "Someday I'll have the spare funds to buy the full orchestras!" he exalts into the air! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The shorts are actually 3 dynamics, not the limited range demonstrated in this video. In the Spitfire plugin the dynamics fader which is shown towards the top limits the dynamic range on short articulations (like a MIDI velocity limiter) so if all the way to the top you have only 1 layer. This should be at the bottom to hear all 3!
Completely false! Dynamic slider at 0 results in complete silence. Is that the joke? Even w slider only barely up expression slider results in no changes ... it seems that, in the staccato articulation anyway, (the timbre / mp - mf patch changes within the note) are triggered by key stroke velocity more than anything else!!!!!
A very informative review, thanks Marc. I like your style of exploring the adjustments that can be made to the samples. Very refreshing to see the capabilities of a library fully demonstrated as other so-called reviews I've seen tend to just play the samples straight out-of-the-box with no practical example of the keyboard skills that get the best out of the samples. Though I have all the other parts of AROOF I'm still undecided about this expansion but thanks to your review I now have a much clearer understanding of its strengths and weaknesses.
Thanks Andy!!
I love the comedy you are taking your channel to a new level that fit you perfectly
Thx Nicholson!!
This is on point. I have Symphonic Brass and Hollywood Brass and this is on point. Spitfire Brass libraries sound big because of Air Lyndhurst but not aggressive, where as HB has the “grrr” at the top. So I just combine the two 6 horn legato patches and the combination sounds great!
I agree , they sound beautiful but soft
I really loved this review! Your approach is so much fun, and I love those little moments when you make a discovery in the product and we get your reaction :)
MAN.... now THAT'S a library review! Thanks!
Thanks, Marc! That was a very thorough review. I have a request/suggestion for a new video. Every time I buy a new library (it’s mostly in the middle of writing a song or with a part in mind or if there’s a sale), I find that I don’t spend enough time exploring the capabilities of the library. I’d like to know if there’s a smart way to do it to extract the most of a new library - at what stage of the song writing process etc.? Thanks!
This is the first review I watch with a very high knowledge in sampling. I’m currently working at a new library as musical director and when ready I hope you’ll like it.I recorded fortissimos to the end of power💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 you’re great!
Hey that's awesome Massimo!!
Hope Marc bring back this kind of format
Really inspired me to listen more attentively into different libraries. I usually just read the content on their websites
Great video! I'm also such a huge fan of these vlog style videos lately 😂
Scoring Legato patch is horns with cellos, that's why it sounds the way it does. I do think Spitfire focuses on the "quiet" of instruments so all their brass lack the bite or aggression of CineBrass or JunkyXL Brass.
What a thorough review! Well done Marc.
Great review! Would love more content like this!
I’ve learned a lot by watching your video. Thank you.
Great review Marc! Very thorough and full of helpful observations and insights with regard to the structure of these libraries. For me, I've been loving the Abbey Road series because it does one thing very well; it recreates that smooth, silky feel of the sonic signature that's so apparent in the scores that were recorded there. It obviously doesn't do everything that we need orchestral libraries to do, but it does do that one thing extremely well.
Thanks for the love, Bill! It's so SO great to reconnect! 💗
great video and breakdown. thanks!
Great review Marc, Thanks a lot! Would be nice to hear what do you think about old Sonivox libraries! These are very old, but combining together with Spitfire and other libraries makes some effect! And I really like it, that you shared also about a bit from your life! Thank you and be blessed!
Great review, thanks!
Great review Marc and I've now purchased this library. What product are you are using to control the dynamics and expression? Need something like this.
Thanks for your nice and useful review 👍
Great review Marc. Great job with your new videos.
Thaaaaanks ❤
There is definitely far worse Spitfire Libraries. :-) I believe the Octaves in these patches mean the Tuba is an octave below the 4 horns. But I could be wrong. Some of the missing patches you mentioned are in Abbey Road Foundations. This Grand Brass Library is really meant to do a couple of things and do them well and that's it. It's more of an add on than a full library.
YEah! I couldn't agree more... :)
Exactly, and this is precisely how it's marketed and sold,
What Spitfire libraries do you think are the worst?
@@AeonGreyh I don't really think of libraries that way to be honest. I think the least useful library I have from Spitfire is probably Symphonic Motions. And I don't get a lot of use out most of the SA Records libraries, but those are also only $30. So, if I use them for one project and never use them again, I consider that paying for themselves.
@@rbingraham Yeah you’re right, the SA ones aren’t really that versatile
@2:24 Number 1 rule for us! Love the content as always.
Edit: sometimes you might need more. But only on very special cases. For spitfire, I tried creating the 4 horns + tuba ensemble on BBCSO core and to no surprise, they still sound rounder and less aggressive than cinebrass. I would take this as the "spitfire signature sound". But there is still a trick at least fpr BBCSO to make it aggressive. Add a solo horn and bass bones. 😁
Very nice videos!!!
Which soundcard do you use? Buffer is it important or max of RAM and CPU are the most important point?
thank you for the insight.
You can create ‘multis’ with kontakt and non kontakt libraries using Unify. Combining Grand Brass with Talos could sound awesome.
Man I was scared for that MOG at the intro!
As a beginner and someone trying to decide which quality level library to buy as my first this purchase, this kind of review is outstanding. 👍🏻 Constructive criticism and summing up with the pros and cons. Plus pro level sound quality of the presentation allowing for ease of comparisons. Great content!
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You can squeeze a little excitement out of any decent low horns with a little saturation like Soundtoys Decapitator.
great review. thx
Soaring legato is perfect as I usually have cellos and horns play a melody together.
That patch sounds beautiful!
Its a bit like comparing the same recipe cooked by two different chefs ... same food, but just tastes different. Or like comparing two different wines - a more older mellow one versus a younger rougher one. Each has their place.
By the way, I just rewatched Christian Henson’s comparison of Abbey Road One (not this, I am talking of the orchestral foundations) vs Albion One and BBC. The low brass there has 5 dynamic layers. I assumed they’d have the same in these “selection” patches. Apparently, it’s only two! Thanks again.
I watched the video as well, Spitfire has a unique sound, combined with Abbey Road they did a great thing. But as Marc in the review stated, the top (Loudest) part in Spitfire's libraries lack the extra punch (aggressive power) that stands out above the rest of the orchestra as it's supposed to. I'm pretty sure the day they decide to do a fff layer to compliment their other libraries, it will be their best selling library. LoL
@@rumar4u I am not denying that point. I am merely commenting on the number of dynamic layers. Marc identified only two layers here but Christian pointed five dynamic layers in Abbey Road one.
Dude, your videos are incredible
Brilliant video, subscribed.
In my case, I order them at work so that they are ready to install when I get home. 🤣
Cinebrass Pro has 4 horns I believe. Also, the mod adds a filter that would make it more comparable to the softer stuff in Abbey Road.
nobody mention how good was the comedy intro?
Can u please put your computer monitor and other hardware details in description ?
Horns are members of the brass family. 🤷♂️
I noticed the missing abrasive "Oomph" at the top forte. But the lower dynamics sounds great. I believe it's worth purchasing to layer it with Audio Imperia's Talos 2 (Best Triple Forte I've heard) & CineBrass (Best All Around).
Yes! The lower dynamic sounds beautiful! I've got to check out Talos2 :)
@@CinematicComposing Audio Imperia reuse their samples a lot thru out their libraries. If you happen to have Jaeger (I Assume Nucleus is the same) then you can get a feel of how they sound.
Try VSL Big Bang Orchestra's Brass and you will find amazing dynamics and the fff is incredible. Hercules low brass is so powerful! Their 6 horns patch called Jupiter is very good too and sound a bit rounder than their 12 horns flund in Zodiac. A bit less aggression at top end but still amazing dynamics.
The Zodiac library includes 12 horns and 9 trombones and they sound loud as f***k and compete with JXL Brass in my opinion as being the gruntiest top available. VSL nailed those brass in the Big Bang Orchestra series.
@@mistral-unizion-music Yeah VSL Libraries sound amazing and their dynamics are the best out there... I don't know about the top fff as powerful as other libraries are. JXL Brass is pretty amazing as well... but for the money, the CineBrass deal of their 4 Brass libraries bundle at 50% (Back in August) was unbeatable.
The reason I suggested Audio Imperia's Talos was because their top fff layers are very detailed and sounds huge, powerful, aggressive. I dig deep in Zodiac but it's so massive that you lose details... And I already own VSL Appassionata which is huge, their tone is quite like my taste, but you lose details.
Nice combination to achieve that bell rattling sound. Talos' top end is savage.
I got the notification for Brass AND the (free) Ondes Musicales. I took the free one, which has been great. But BBC Orchestra has all the brass I need. And it was free, too.
That's totally me when a new sample library drops!
Marc which monitor is that you are using , I really loved it ?
It's the LG 43UD79.
It's BIG. But it's not as wide as it seems. (the wide lens distorts its shape a bit)
I love it for DAW work. True 4k and lots of space.
It's a little bit too big. Too "tall" in my opinion! LOL Especially if you've got on the top level on your desk. That's why I literally cut the top level of my Output desk LOL
I love it though. Great for sequencing.
I'm not a big fan of its colors for video editing but I don't do too much of that :)
@@CinematicComposing yeah it looks really big and great haha
Great review
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HAHAHA , intro I love it!!
One of the best reviews I have seen Marc. You really go into detail and compare against alternatives. I would love to see more reviews like this as you then know what you are buying.
What library is the cinebrass from?
Almost smashed that Moog! 😂
hi, may i know which device u using to capture on screen video? thanks
OBS
for a good library,when you change layers you should here a big change in timbre,i dont hear it in this library,it is even possible to create a simulated increase in timbre on a one layer instrument by means of a filter wich opens when you get louder
I believe you can on certain instruments but not brass which has so many articulations and dynamic layers which makes it impossible unless is physical modelling and just a solo instrument. Look for SWAM libraries as reference.
I can do swells and sforzando in any length i like using a breath controller and sample modelling brass. Oh, and the legato is just mad. Most underrated brass library out there imo....
In abby road one... the tightness knob actually effects the timing of the swell articulation it is most noteable on the " swells short."
I guess you're a former metal guitarist 😝
Always needs the aggression 🤣
Hola Marc, algún vídeo en español o subtitulados al español podrías hacer. Un saludo!!
On the normal LONGS articulation (not the soaring one) I hear THREE patches. A piano one. Then a mezzo piano one. Then a mf - f one.
The mf - f one sounds just like the mp one but with a HIGH PASS filter opened up. [Edit: as for the "soaring legato" I could do without that one. It sounds all cello to me. Disappointing really I thought I was getting a real brass library. 😖]
I bet the dropping of the phone wasn't planned :-) Great video!
I just realized he uses the SpongeBob SquarePants font and he sounds a bit like the narrator from the show. Clever.
Also the review was fantastic, I learned everything that i wanted o learn.
Amazing
You're intro was literally me on the day of this release, haha! As for the library itself - I wasn't impressed as I usually am with Spitfire.
Ah I can imagine the Doctor Strange theme on this library
Hahahhaha, best intro ever !!!
I love spitfire abbey road librairies, great sounds and good price!
Mans almost knocked over his synth
LOL!
Yea the SpitFire libraries do lack the bang tbh
Muchas gracias por la review,yo no se que hace spitfire con los metales pero los destruye todos,parece como si le metieran un filtro aposta para destruir la dinámica
Why u throwing shade because it's 50. If it was 250 . Would u feel better?
cinebrass vs chrishein stuff?
Good cinema composer...sukses alwqys
best intro ever lol
0:18 lol
Personally speaking, aside from the AWESOME swells and staccato horns that this Brass Ensemble has to offer in its affordable price range, my biggest put-off's would be the absence of the trumpet section and layering of the cello into horns & tuba - WHAT THE HECK is this idea all about?
Agreed, some odd design choices with the ARO Libraries. I wish they would have just gone ahead, made a proper library within Abbey Road (with Legatos, the arguably most important articulations) and then taking elements from that and selling them for people who are beginning (the Foundation part) or just need some smaller complementary elements (the addons). Would have made way more sense to me.
I like only staccato, the other articulations sounds not good for me
Thz
the CineBrass definitely sounds better!
But this cost 40$ cinebrass 400$ I think it's amazing for it's price
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If there's one thing Spitfire Audio can't do, it's powerful brass! It's a mystery to me why Spitfire Audio just can't do it. The strongest they have to offer is somewhere between mezzoforte and forte. Where is the blaring brass? When will Spitfire Audio finally blow my hair back? Probably never... Fortunately, there are other developers of libraries, such as Orchestral Tools.
Hope the moog is OK
Good
Duuuude. The Mooooog
As a women watching this-Yes! bringing your son down to be with you was the right thing to do : ) (Now to get on with the rest of the review....)
I used to do that with my kids too. As they’ve grown, they’ve always felt comfortable and happy being in my home studio, and seem to be happy to spend time making music. I doubt that either of them will become professional musicians, but I love that they will have music in their lives. Plus, the time we’ve spent together there has built so many good memories!
Personally, I think that big loud top end distortion on brass is overused. Everyone is seeking that Hans Zimmer blast, but a lot the time smooth is a better choice for melodies rather than hits. That guttural farting brass sound has its place, but this library just isn't trying to cater for that, and at £49 it's got to pick its battles.
spitfire brass samples are very subdued... I bought 8dio century brass to supplement my BBCSO core...
10 minutes on layers everyone listen, not so much, maybe you could insist. But thank you for comparing libraries (but there are others than cinebrass)
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This clicbait in particular is kind of non diplomatic!
You still have to read the numbers off your card? Lol, rookie!
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5:30 The (rich) dynamic layers of my roland lx 17 got killed by BBC Discover. And Labs is just a bunch of FX with some good samples for here and there. Also dynamics are unreliable or inexistent there.This was my first impression of this company. Second impression: Christian Hanson is a cool friend, but looks not that smart and well educated composer for this function, sorry. Anyway he did what others failed to try. Maybe he is inspiring because he show how far one can go without compositional skills, relying 80% in production skills. Resume: of course everything can be good in some composition, just buy if you have money raining outside. It will always give you reference, even if you don’t use the sounds.
I don't know but I think your perspective on things are quite uninformed, or you have no ear for sounds in general. You based your opinion on what, free libraries you got from them and out of the box sounds? Discover has no mic positions and has only very basic articulations and missing functions compared with the paid stuff. And if you don't know how to program them, even the free ones, with velocities/dynamics/expression and mix them properly, I can tell you no other library is going to sound good to you, because Discover can sound very good if used properly. And what more dynamics do you expect in sound fx, as you called them?
Spitfire has some libraries that are not for everything or for everyone and can be disappointing in some parts for musicians who want something else, like these limited but cheap Abby Road libraries, as people expect all purpose libraries and what not, but Spitfire is still leading in sample libraries. From Hans Zimmer to many other film composers, many have bought and used them from Spitfire and recommended. Sounds are sounds, from all different companies and have different purposes and timbers and such. Tons of famous composers have brought libraries from Spitfire, libraries like Eric Whitacre, Olafur, Hans Zimmer libraries, Albion libraries, chamber libraries and more. You just can't say they don't do good libraries.
But I guess it's expected. I heard lots of new composers using good and expensive libraries and their music sounds crappier than what I can do with free sounds. And most importantly, they are meant to be layered, yet people don't know the very basic things of them. And lastly, samples are still mostly used for mockups and not to replace a real orchestra.
Sorry mate. But that was drivel. Your resume compared to Henson?
It's so out of tune. Awful
Patches with multiple instruments in them are useless. You are telling yourself "it's just $50" but if you buy 2 more of these, now you need to spend $5000 on a new computer. Lucky if you use this exact instrument combination once a year. I would more likely never use it. Orchestration is composition, I don't like virtual instruments that force my hand. I want to compose, not be composed by them. Horns plus cellos is a tremendous cliché, but if you are going to do it, now you'll miss the fortissimo layer that Spitfire NEVER records... and adding other brass libraries on top does NOT sound good, it sounds totally fake.