Just done my first 'winter' rinseless wash, used warm/hot water and it was pleasure to do. very little water on the ground and it tackled the salt on the bottom half of the car really well. Aiming to continue my weekly washes over the winter. had it washed and dried (including wheels) in less that 30 mins.
@@liamneale1831 I do them last, I will spray them and the tyres with APC and then clean them with a brush and a cloth that have been sitting in my rinseless bucket, once clean I will spray them down with a pump sprayer filled with rinseless solution to rinse off the APC (any any splashes on the panels). I will normally have given them a spray of rinseless as I am spraying down the panels as a pre soak before I contact wash the car with my Rag Company sponge.
@liamneale1831 I just the leftover RW and since I always pre-treat each panel I've always got my pump sprayer, so I soak the tires, wheels and wheelwells and just wipe them down with designated mf towels👈
Thank you for another detailed and informative video Jon. I would never use a rinseless wash product, personally, but I still find it interesting watching.
Just washed a ford ranger today using this combo: Koch chemie vb diluted 1:15 in foam canon, rinsed off after 3 minutes. Then went to wash the car with RRW as you did, final result was great.
Just tried RRW yesterday and it's great. I used a lot of ECH2O, N914 and DIY so far, but after trying RRW, I think it will become my new favourite rinseless wash. Cheers :)
@@zustroy Not sure if it leaves something behind. Why its the best from all mentioned above? Well, it is slick, cleans well, releases dirt from wash media quite good and its price per liter is better than other mentioned. Nice, solid product.
I was funny about trying a rinseless, being a STjarnagloss user, but i love and use KCX RRW in winter when my hose is shut off because of cold, and i love it and trust it, it smells amazing, reminds me of a fine men's cologne, gets my car clean! Awesome stuff!
Preservation can simply mean cleaning… removing something that might damage. I.e chemicals or grit. It doesn’t mean leaving a coating (something) behind. 👍
hmm dunno its a bit of a stretch. but I get where your coming from. I think this product does leave something on the surface but just not perminent protection.
@@ForensicDetailingwhen restoring and preserving antique paintings etc, they only clean, they don’t ‘treat’ or coat them, where something like a fossil they my ‘varnish’ to preserve, or you might ‘pickle’ a vegetable or freeze a piece of meat, or something in a dust free or temperature controlled environment etc…. Preservation simply means ‘to keep’ 👍
yer but they say clean and preserve in the same sentence. If its to apply the same function it would be daft to repeat it. So for me preserve leans more towards protect. But yer I do get where your coming from. I think this has been through a language translator so it comes out a bit weird sometimes. I also sort of delve into label wording but theres nothing massivly wrong with the label. I do wish though brands would just tick the simple box about does this product leave anything behind. Its what most of the people that are into this want to no. So a statement like. "leaves nothing behind. leaves non durable layer of material. leaves bonding protection" something so we can instantly place it without any doubt in one of the 3 catagories would just be so easy and usefull but so few companies seem to be able to do it. Credit for mckees literally for being the only people that spot this and make it clear.
Also, I really like a hybrid rinse-less wash- Bilt Hamber touch-less snowfoamed on- jet wash off then use Labocosmetica Idrosave to do a spray bottle on the product wipe off with a noodle mit or my The Rag Company Wolfpack microfiber towel over the paintwork and drying off leaving the car washed (when it's a little too dirty to just rinse-less wash). Using rinseless in a hybrid setting takes away two extra steps away from the wash method. You've washed and sealed in one step. The sealant in Idrosave is pretty good and really conditions plastics on the car exceptionally well. However I feel the water evacuation from Idrosave not that great- it's slow and sticky leaving the panels, typically when its rained the raim water beads stick to the panels even at speed they cling on for dear life 😂. It's very beady though.
When I was a young teenager I used to wash cars at the weekend for extra spending money (£1 a car) I used to start on the roof,then windows,then boot and bonnet,upper part of doors wings and quarter panels, followed by lower doors and sills then finally door shuts and finish with tyres and wheels. A lot has changed since.then with different products but if I use a rinseless then I do revert to my washing regime from the 80’s. I’m sure other detailers will do things differently but that’s just the way I taught myself and to me it works best.
@ I got to wash what are now considered classics. Golf GTI MK1, Scirocco GTI MK1, Triumph Stag, Vauxhall Victor, the original BMW 320i, Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 (which I thought I broke when I was washing the lady. It disappeared into the radiator 😂) so £1 was a pleasure to wash them.
A bit off topic but as this product is such a winner on price I thought I'd add some info Here in Australia the prices for a lot (not all) of detailing products is ridiculous, including Koch Chemie and one of your favourites, Bilt Hamber Examples: Koch Chemie PSS 1L $55.95 Koch Chemie GS 1L $29.95 Koch Chemie RRW when it eventually makes it here will be over $40 Bilt Hamber Surfex HD 1L $44.90 !! for 1L !! Bilt Hamber Touchless 5L $115.95 Bilt Hamber Korrosol 1L $64.90 Given that you often recommend Bilt Hamber for their value in particular amongst some Koch products, would your opinion change for someone living where the prices are ridiculous? I mean surfex hd can be had for around £9 for a 1L bottle but $45 here it's a joke Fortunately we get brands like Carpro, Gyeon and others like P&S at pretty reasonable prices comparatively, would you ever do a video where you base the test on prices in a particular region and make some recommendations accordingly? Sorry for the rant but it's frustrating down under for a whole range of things we buy
For all the same reasons we don’t mix wheel and bodywork buckets/wash media when using the traditional wash methods, does a rinseless solution bucket not require the same due care?
normally yes mate. it would be bad practise. mix up a proper bucket and do the wheels with seperate media. I would not recomend the little 5 litre tub either.
I love this stuff. The "care and preservation" aspect appears to be extremely light in nature. I've used it on unprotected vehicles and only noticed a few days worth of "protection." I also used it for several washes in a row side-by-side with a non-protective rinseless (DIY Detail) on my coated car. There was zero difference in water behavior or dirt attraction, so it isn't going to alter the performance of any coating. I've also used it to clean polishing pads with no problems. I have to ask though, why didn't you pre-soak this time? I never go in on a dry surface, I like to get the chemical on there first so it can start loosening that dirt off the surface so it gets picked up easier.
I too am becoming a fan of RRW and switched for the reasons you mentioned. I was using ONR and it definitely seemed to affect my coating after several washes. I tried this one and Absolute after some recommendations (including yours). Both are great on coated cars, but this seems to clean a little better for me. Thanks for all your insights in the comments. You should do your own top five 🙂
@@DriveTwistysno one needs to see me on video, but here's my current top 5 in no particular order. Absolute, Rrw, Hero, Hydra v3 and Clean Rinse-Less. DIY Detail V2, ONR and Detail Co Nemesis are right up there too, it just depends what job I'm doing and how I feel that day.
Just got it myself. Hard to beat that price. But what made me curious was the MSDS, specifically the first ingredient. CAS number doesn't match what is stated on the sheet. Was wondering whether is just me being not fluent enough in MSDS-jitsu ;)
Is there any concern about the acidity? AFAIK, this is the only acid rinseless, with the competitors neutral or alkaline prior to being diluted. Curious if this affects ppf or LSPs. Thanks.
@@ForensicDetailing at 256:1, it'll be around 6.3-6.5 give or take, depending on how much you go over/under lol So, VERY slightly acidic. For reference, your skin is typically somewhere in the 5ish range. EDIT: Calculation based on the information PDF on Koch Chemie's website. States that pH is 4. EDIT EDIT: Just realized/remembered - it's on the front of bottle too LOL whoops
PH is 4.5 on the SDS. I would guess that would mean usage ratio PIR would be like 6.9 maybe in the 7 with the water in the UK, ill take a reading. PH does not really mean too much the moment you blend chemicals with different PH it muddies the water. But people misunderstand the relevence of PH and you tubers are the worst people for spreading poor information about its relevence because they dont understand it. The industry doesnt always help when it states LSP's are resistent to materials PH 11 for example. I could put a PH7 material on clearcoat and damage it because of its chemical function (neat IPA for example PH7). So to really understand the impact of a chemical you need to know the exact material in it and how that chemical functions. That gets very complicated and requires you to have information thats not available to you on the materials but also a really good chemistry knowledge. Bottem line is brands like Koch have that and thats another reason I like them. A lot of brands know less about the raws in their products than I do and Im close to clueless in this department.
You're talking about water spots. I thought rinseless also encapsulates the minerals causing water spots. I think they're spots of rinseles which you should be able to wipe away if you apply rinseless again. This is at least what I understand from the DIY detail videos
I’m just not sure I could trust this unless the car was almost clean. In winter, with road film….not sure if this would even work for me on a coated car after every drive. Then again, with this demo and comments from others I think it has to be tried before being ruled out. It would certainly be nice to be able to clean the car inside during the winter…
I always rinse the car beforehand. Then I start my rinse-less wash, rinse, pre soak, contact wash, dry. Done. contrary to belief your still using water, your just not rinsing at the end. Rinse-less wash will easily remove road film during the contact stage. It’ll work great in the winter time too.
I want this for when I`ve recently washed my car and then rain happens, or some moron pours water from a balcony. Then again, you can make a proper prewash and rinse and then do this instead of shampoo and rinsing, (hybrid wash).
Was impressed by the price of this product but 2 things stop me buying it: 1) It's not clear whether it leaves protection, it kind of implies it but it's very ambiguous. I want 0 protection from a rinseless. 2) One of the benefits of rinseless to me is versatility, if I can't use it on interiors etc. then it's a last place product for me.
@@ForensicDetailing Yeh that would be a good option. I quite like the look of DIY Detail due to the superior dirt release. I know you can't count it in tests because it's not on the label explicitly but their videos make it clear there's nothing left behind and it can be used for basically anything. Nick even said he uses it for cleaning his house lol. I might even get the gallon offering which helps reduce the high price.
Did all these videos get released out of order out of interest? You released the best off first and now the individual tests whilst talking about the upcomming best of video. Dont care either way love your content and not complaining just checking im Not going mad!
For me, a rinseless wash goes against everything I’ve learnt about detailing. No pre wash, no grit guard, no 2 bucket, moving the dirt all over the panel...
Contrary to belief, rinse-less doesn’t mean you don’t rinse at all, it means you’re rinsing less, literally. The only time you don’t rinse is at the end because you can physically dry after you’ve contact washed. I always rinse the car beforehand with a hose or pressure washer. I then pre soak with an IK, contact wash, dry. Done. You can still have a grit guard and 2 buckets as well. The polymers trap the dirt on the surface, so ideally you aren’t moving dirt all over the panel either.
yer rinseless does not mean no pre wash or no grit guard or no 2 buckets. Its just an alternative material to use to perform the contact wash. you can use them however you like.
I disagree about Koch Chemie being one of the best brands. I've been using some of their products and feel they are mostly average IMO. I've spent over 25 years working with German companies and current work for one. German culture in business is profit over products. They actually make things at production to inhibit reliability either through poor engineering or over complication to enable profit further down the line. However when it comes to cars I am contradictive around Porsche- I absolutely adore the brand. Although they are not perfect. Anyway Koch is okay its not terrible it's slightly above average compared with other brands I've used, I've gone back to other brands and started to phase out some of Koch as I believe some other brands are doing better, I'm happy to spend one or two pounds more for a product that has to work better, in most cases. Price is important however. KC have got into bed with Colorlock and I cannot stand the main guy (say no name) behind this brand and I have first hand experience with him and think he's an absolute [expletive]. 😑
I sort of break them down into catagorys Cleaning/Decon/Polishing/Protection/Accessories. Koch are pretty strong with the cleaning catagory they have some popular trade products in this line that are highly regarded and cheap. Decon they dont reallly have anything too flag ship. Abrasives top draw. Protection some decent stuff but nothing iconic. Accessories nothing too iconinc. Some Koch things have been a bit average for sure, I thought the So.02 was a bit average but then someone else ranted at me saying it was amazing. Dunno though but I get a lot of confidence with certain brands when there is good value in basic chems. Trust me the industry does not want to sell you a litre of 1:100 APC for 6 quid. Because with national and then local resellers all having to take a cut you are literally making penuts and it means Koch are selling wholesale for about 3 quid so the margin for the reseller is literally like a quid (thats not enough to be profitable with it). The norm within the scene would be to take about 50ml from that APC bottle mix it down with 450ml water and put it in a spray bottle and sell it for 12 quid. So I gain trust when I can get an amazing deal. This rinseless is the same thing. I dont like the idea of paying 40 quid a litre if koch are charging 12.95.
@ForensicDetailing I agree with the price bang for buck. It is important to get a sweet spot for cleaning power vs. dilution, then working out the cost per wash is another angle, too Personally, I really like Surfex HD regardless of the price it's very, very powerful and nice to have that in your arsenal. Like most things with Bilt Hamber, they are unrivalled in potency using decent chemicals for ya buck! 😊. Maybe I'm a little bit tainted by German products overall. I just feel they [Germans] are too bloody greedy. Some slap 10% on price each year regardless. Surfex HD works better than Greenstar with my experience. Maybe I should do some more testing side by side with their chemicals vs. others, but I've never felt they are above and beyond like others. Maybe it's psychological through bad experiences, I don't know. I'm not knocking. I'm just being honest about how I feel about everything around KCx 🤷♂️. Perhaps I was a little harsh, they have to make some top tier products in their massive line-up and as good as most other brands- perhaps I've not discovered those products yet. There abrasives are good but you have either to be extra careful around black plastic trims- that DIY Detail gold standard Polish doesn't stain plastic trims and I most cases saves you time without the need to tape up areas (you need to have a steady hand not to touch the trim with your polisher). Kosh definitely seem to have buying power and agree on able to price very strongly. Kosh will always beat the US on price mainly because of that, I'm not sure how the import taxes work on both domestic areas whether US pay more then Europe for us- maybe that's something too?
@@ForensicDetailing I`m the one lol 😆 They have iconic things in decon category actually, FW, sil are top notch and stuff like tea etc. The other are all as you said.
Just done my first 'winter' rinseless wash, used warm/hot water and it was pleasure to do. very little water on the ground and it tackled the salt on the bottom half of the car really well. Aiming to continue my weekly washes over the winter. had it washed and dried (including wheels) in less that 30 mins.
How do you go about washing wheels when washing the car with a rinseless wash? Might seem a daft question but do you just wash them as normal?
@@liamneale1831 I do them last, I will spray them and the tyres with APC and then clean them with a brush and a cloth that have been sitting in my rinseless bucket, once clean I will spray them down with a pump sprayer filled with rinseless solution to rinse off the APC (any any splashes on the panels). I will normally have given them a spray of rinseless as I am spraying down the panels as a pre soak before I contact wash the car with my Rag Company sponge.
@liamneale1831 I just the leftover RW and since I always pre-treat each panel I've always got my pump sprayer, so I soak the tires, wheels and wheelwells and just wipe them down with designated mf towels👈
@@WolfAbarth I do the wheel arch tubs and backs of the sill lips using this same method and it always works well for me.
Thank you for another detailed and informative video Jon.
I would never use a rinseless wash product, personally, but I still find it interesting watching.
My man! Just finished your hero review and now we here! Love your vids pal
thank you
Just washed a ford ranger today using this combo: Koch chemie vb diluted 1:15 in foam canon, rinsed off after 3 minutes. Then went to wash the car with RRW as you did, final result was great.
that's a good approach when the car is really dirty.
Crotch Kemmy VB is very strong stuff. It's absolutely brilliant for blinging up engines.
Just tried RRW yesterday and it's great. I used a lot of ECH2O, N914 and DIY so far, but after trying RRW, I think it will become my new favourite rinseless wash. Cheers :)
Does RRW leave anything behind and what does it have to be the best among those you mentioned?
Same here, I prefer rrw to onr, n914, diy v1/v2, Armour detail supply and absolute. I love the smell too
@@zustroy Not sure if it leaves something behind. Why its the best from all mentioned above? Well, it is slick, cleans well, releases dirt from wash media quite good and its price per liter is better than other mentioned. Nice, solid product.
I was funny about trying a rinseless, being a STjarnagloss user, but i love and use KCX RRW in winter when my hose is shut off because of cold, and i love it and trust it, it smells amazing, reminds me of a fine men's cologne, gets my car clean! Awesome stuff!
Preservation can simply mean cleaning… removing something that might damage. I.e chemicals or grit. It doesn’t mean leaving a coating (something) behind. 👍
hmm dunno its a bit of a stretch. but I get where your coming from. I think this product does leave something on the surface but just not perminent protection.
@@ForensicDetailingwhen restoring and preserving antique paintings etc, they only clean, they don’t ‘treat’ or coat them, where something like a fossil they my ‘varnish’ to preserve, or you might ‘pickle’ a vegetable or freeze a piece of meat, or something in a dust free or temperature controlled environment etc…. Preservation simply means ‘to keep’ 👍
yer but they say clean and preserve in the same sentence. If its to apply the same function it would be daft to repeat it. So for me preserve leans more towards protect. But yer I do get where your coming from. I think this has been through a language translator so it comes out a bit weird sometimes. I also sort of delve into label wording but theres nothing massivly wrong with the label. I do wish though brands would just tick the simple box about does this product leave anything behind. Its what most of the people that are into this want to no. So a statement like. "leaves nothing behind. leaves non durable layer of material. leaves bonding protection" something so we can instantly place it without any doubt in one of the 3 catagories would just be so easy and usefull but so few companies seem to be able to do it. Credit for mckees literally for being the only people that spot this and make it clear.
Also, I really like a hybrid rinse-less wash- Bilt Hamber touch-less snowfoamed on- jet wash off then use Labocosmetica Idrosave to do a spray bottle on the product wipe off with a noodle mit or my The Rag Company Wolfpack microfiber towel over the paintwork and drying off leaving the car washed (when it's a little too dirty to just rinse-less wash). Using rinseless in a hybrid setting takes away two extra steps away from the wash method. You've washed and sealed in one step. The sealant in Idrosave is pretty good and really conditions plastics on the car exceptionally well. However I feel the water evacuation from Idrosave not that great- it's slow and sticky leaving the panels, typically when its rained the raim water beads stick to the panels even at speed they cling on for dear life 😂. It's very beady though.
When I was a young teenager I used to wash cars at the weekend for extra spending money (£1 a car)
I used to start on the roof,then windows,then boot and bonnet,upper part of doors wings and quarter panels, followed by lower doors and sills then finally door shuts and finish with tyres and wheels. A lot has changed since.then with different products but if I use a rinseless then I do revert to my washing regime from the 80’s. I’m sure other detailers will do things differently but that’s just the way I taught myself and to me it works best.
A quid 😎 u too cheap!
@ I got to wash what are now considered classics. Golf GTI MK1, Scirocco GTI MK1, Triumph Stag, Vauxhall Victor, the original BMW 320i, Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 (which I thought I broke when I was washing the lady. It disappeared into the radiator 😂) so £1 was a pleasure to wash them.
Ahhh - my favourite youtube detailer back with another excellent video - happy Fri Jon 👌
happy friday mate
With such price to performance ratio Koch only need to be 80% as good as other top 10 products to take my money. I completely get your point.
Great comment. I'm not sure that everyone will agree with you, but I certainly do.
Just bought my rrw from gold label car care, they are very good on price's as well. Give them a go, they have a very extensive range for by
Another smashing video!! Great Product.
Never mind I now see you’re going to back and forth between Chenille mitt and the The Big Red sponge👀
It's a shame not many online shops actually sell it.
there should be a few m8. CYC, in2d, slims, ult finish, C&S etc...
@ForensicDetailing I buy stuff at ultimate finish and c&s and they don't even have it on their website
A bit off topic but as this product is such a winner on price I thought I'd add some info
Here in Australia the prices for a lot (not all) of detailing products is ridiculous, including Koch Chemie and one of your favourites, Bilt Hamber
Examples:
Koch Chemie PSS 1L $55.95
Koch Chemie GS 1L $29.95
Koch Chemie RRW when it eventually makes it here will be over $40
Bilt Hamber Surfex HD 1L $44.90 !! for 1L !!
Bilt Hamber Touchless 5L $115.95
Bilt Hamber Korrosol 1L $64.90
Given that you often recommend Bilt Hamber for their value in particular amongst some Koch products, would your opinion change for someone living where the prices are ridiculous? I mean surfex hd can be had for around £9 for a 1L bottle but $45 here it's a joke
Fortunately we get brands like Carpro, Gyeon and others like P&S at pretty reasonable prices comparatively, would you ever do a video where you base the test on prices in a particular region and make some recommendations accordingly?
Sorry for the rant but it's frustrating down under for a whole range of things we buy
Yes I won't pay big money for car cleaning chems. I would find a brand that sells good bulk offerings for good value.
I have used this a couple of times. It leaves streaks everywhere if you don't wipe it bone dry.
not for me it doesnt but I dont know what your doing or whats on your car type thing.
@ForensicDetailing ok
For all the same reasons we don’t mix wheel and bodywork buckets/wash media when using the traditional wash methods, does a rinseless solution bucket not require the same due care?
normally yes mate. it would be bad practise. mix up a proper bucket and do the wheels with seperate media. I would not recomend the little 5 litre tub either.
@@ForensicDetailingthank you Jon, appreciate all the effort you go through with these videos.
I love this stuff. The "care and preservation" aspect appears to be extremely light in nature. I've used it on unprotected vehicles and only noticed a few days worth of "protection." I also used it for several washes in a row side-by-side with a non-protective rinseless (DIY Detail) on my coated car. There was zero difference in water behavior or dirt attraction, so it isn't going to alter the performance of any coating. I've also used it to clean polishing pads with no problems.
I have to ask though, why didn't you pre-soak this time? I never go in on a dry surface, I like to get the chemical on there first so it can start loosening that dirt off the surface so it gets picked up easier.
I too am becoming a fan of RRW and switched for the reasons you mentioned. I was using ONR and it definitely seemed to affect my coating after several washes. I tried this one and Absolute after some recommendations (including yours). Both are great on coated cars, but this seems to clean a little better for me. Thanks for all your insights in the comments. You should do your own top five 🙂
@jeffc6832 - what are your top 3 rinse less washes?
@@DriveTwistysno one needs to see me on video, but here's my current top 5 in no particular order. Absolute, Rrw, Hero, Hydra v3 and Clean Rinse-Less.
DIY Detail V2, ONR and Detail Co Nemesis are right up there too, it just depends what job I'm doing and how I feel that day.
Just got it myself. Hard to beat that price. But what made me curious was the MSDS, specifically the first ingredient. CAS number doesn't match what is stated on the sheet. Was wondering whether is just me being not fluent enough in MSDS-jitsu ;)
1st product 64365-23-7 shows to me as polysiloxane which sounds right.
commonchemistry.cas.org/detail?cas_rn=64365-23-7
Dang, that had to be a mistake on my side. Thanks for checking that for me.
Hey Jon - Can You use it as a Quick Detailer / Drying aid?
Greetings from 🇩🇪
Yes I think but I'm not sure it's as good a quick detailer as a quick detailer . Sounds a bit weird I know
Is there any concern about the acidity? AFAIK, this is the only acid rinseless, with the competitors neutral or alkaline prior to being diluted. Curious if this affects ppf or LSPs. Thanks.
whatever PH it is its going to be diluted at 1:251 with water. So I would guess its gonna be close to PH neutral on the panel.
Thanks very much. Great work on this whole series of rinseless
@@ForensicDetailing at 256:1, it'll be around 6.3-6.5 give or take, depending on how much you go over/under lol
So, VERY slightly acidic.
For reference, your skin is typically somewhere in the 5ish range.
EDIT: Calculation based on the information PDF on Koch Chemie's website.
States that pH is 4.
EDIT EDIT: Just realized/remembered - it's on the front of bottle too LOL whoops
PH is 4.5 on the SDS. I would guess that would mean usage ratio PIR would be like 6.9 maybe in the 7 with the water in the UK, ill take a reading. PH does not really mean too much the moment you blend chemicals with different PH it muddies the water. But people misunderstand the relevence of PH and you tubers are the worst people for spreading poor information about its relevence because they dont understand it. The industry doesnt always help when it states LSP's are resistent to materials PH 11 for example. I could put a PH7 material on clearcoat and damage it because of its chemical function (neat IPA for example PH7). So to really understand the impact of a chemical you need to know the exact material in it and how that chemical functions. That gets very complicated and requires you to have information thats not available to you on the materials but also a really good chemistry knowledge. Bottem line is brands like Koch have that and thats another reason I like them. A lot of brands know less about the raws in their products than I do and Im close to clueless in this department.
Added benefit!
You're talking about water spots. I thought rinseless also encapsulates the minerals causing water spots. I think they're spots of rinseles which you should be able to wipe away if you apply rinseless again. This is at least what I understand from the DIY detail videos
I’m just not sure I could trust this unless the car was almost clean. In winter, with road film….not sure if this would even work for me on a coated car after every drive. Then again, with this demo and comments from others I think it has to be tried before being ruled out. It would certainly be nice to be able to clean the car inside during the winter…
I always rinse the car beforehand. Then I start my rinse-less wash, rinse, pre soak, contact wash, dry. Done. contrary to belief your still using water, your just not rinsing at the end. Rinse-less wash will easily remove road film during the contact stage. It’ll work great in the winter time too.
I want this for when I`ve recently washed my car and then rain happens, or some moron pours water from a balcony.
Then again, you can make a proper prewash and rinse and then do this instead of shampoo and rinsing, (hybrid wash).
Jon any reason why you didn’t choose a Rinseless designed Sponge? You know the one’s with the Cross Hatched cuts in them👀🤔
this is one of those mate its the BRS.
@ ok the Big Red Sponge from the ONR brand. Got it👍
$15.99 for 1000ml is the cheapest I've seen before tax or shipping. Amazon is $25+
Was impressed by the price of this product but 2 things stop me buying it:
1) It's not clear whether it leaves protection, it kind of implies it but it's very ambiguous. I want 0 protection from a rinseless.
2) One of the benefits of rinseless to me is versatility, if I can't use it on interiors etc. then it's a last place product for me.
Mckees might be for your requirements. It's only one that states nothing behind
@@ForensicDetailing Yeh that would be a good option. I quite like the look of DIY Detail due to the superior dirt release. I know you can't count it in tests because it's not on the label explicitly but their videos make it clear there's nothing left behind and it can be used for basically anything. Nick even said he uses it for cleaning his house lol.
I might even get the gallon offering which helps reduce the high price.
@@Burtannia It's amazing for cleaning in the house. Tested it.
@@victoryensured7137 The Koch Chemie or the Mckees?
@@Burtannia DIY Detail
Did all these videos get released out of order out of interest? You released the best off first and now the individual tests whilst talking about the upcomming best of video. Dont care either way love your content and not complaining just checking im
Not going mad!
yer the rinseless stuff is all done now but Ive just got a few of these kicking around for various products.
For me, a rinseless wash goes against everything I’ve learnt about detailing. No pre wash, no grit guard, no 2 bucket, moving the dirt all over the panel...
Contrary to belief, rinse-less doesn’t mean you don’t rinse at all, it means you’re rinsing less, literally. The only time you don’t rinse is at the end because you can physically dry after you’ve contact washed. I always rinse the car beforehand with a hose or pressure washer. I then pre soak with an IK, contact wash, dry. Done. You can still have a grit guard and 2 buckets as well. The polymers trap the dirt on the surface, so ideally you aren’t moving dirt all over the panel either.
yer rinseless does not mean no pre wash or no grit guard or no 2 buckets. Its just an alternative material to use to perform the contact wash. you can use them however you like.
i care about price!
me 2 :)
19:40 rinse that thing a bit
I am upset Jon, you ask us to comment…. I don’t know why I am upset, just am…. Nothing to do with this video 😂
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I disagree about Koch Chemie being one of the best brands. I've been using some of their products and feel they are mostly average IMO. I've spent over 25 years working with German companies and current work for one. German culture in business is profit over products. They actually make things at production to inhibit reliability either through poor engineering or over complication to enable profit further down the line. However when it comes to cars I am contradictive around Porsche- I absolutely adore the brand. Although they are not perfect. Anyway Koch is okay its not terrible it's slightly above average compared with other brands I've used, I've gone back to other brands and started to phase out some of Koch as I believe some other brands are doing better, I'm happy to spend one or two pounds more for a product that has to work better, in most cases. Price is important however. KC have got into bed with Colorlock and I cannot stand the main guy (say no name) behind this brand and I have first hand experience with him and think he's an absolute [expletive]. 😑
I sort of break them down into catagorys Cleaning/Decon/Polishing/Protection/Accessories. Koch are pretty strong with the cleaning catagory they have some popular trade products in this line that are highly regarded and cheap. Decon they dont reallly have anything too flag ship. Abrasives top draw. Protection some decent stuff but nothing iconic. Accessories nothing too iconinc. Some Koch things have been a bit average for sure, I thought the So.02 was a bit average but then someone else ranted at me saying it was amazing. Dunno though but I get a lot of confidence with certain brands when there is good value in basic chems. Trust me the industry does not want to sell you a litre of 1:100 APC for 6 quid. Because with national and then local resellers all having to take a cut you are literally making penuts and it means Koch are selling wholesale for about 3 quid so the margin for the reseller is literally like a quid (thats not enough to be profitable with it). The norm within the scene would be to take about 50ml from that APC bottle mix it down with 450ml water and put it in a spray bottle and sell it for 12 quid. So I gain trust when I can get an amazing deal. This rinseless is the same thing. I dont like the idea of paying 40 quid a litre if koch are charging 12.95.
@ForensicDetailing I agree with the price bang for buck. It is important to get a sweet spot for cleaning power vs. dilution, then working out the cost per wash is another angle, too Personally, I really like Surfex HD regardless of the price it's very, very powerful and nice to have that in your arsenal. Like most things with Bilt Hamber, they are unrivalled in potency using decent chemicals for ya buck! 😊. Maybe I'm a little bit tainted by German products overall. I just feel they [Germans] are too bloody greedy. Some slap 10% on price each year regardless. Surfex HD works better than Greenstar with my experience. Maybe I should do some more testing side by side with their chemicals vs. others, but I've never felt they are above and beyond like others. Maybe it's psychological through bad experiences, I don't know. I'm not knocking. I'm just being honest about how I feel about everything around KCx 🤷♂️. Perhaps I was a little harsh, they have to make some top tier products in their massive line-up and as good as most other brands- perhaps I've not discovered those products yet. There abrasives are good but you have either to be extra careful around black plastic trims- that DIY Detail gold standard Polish doesn't stain plastic trims and I most cases saves you time without the need to tape up areas (you need to have a steady hand not to touch the trim with your polisher). Kosh definitely seem to have buying power and agree on able to price very strongly. Kosh will always beat the US on price mainly because of that, I'm not sure how the import taxes work on both domestic areas whether US pay more then Europe for us- maybe that's something too?
@@ForensicDetailing I`m the one lol 😆
They have iconic things in decon category actually, FW, sil are top notch and stuff like tea etc. The other are all as you said.
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Rinseless wash is pure bs.
Many viewers probably aren’t aware but I know you’re the Pink Panther of Auomobile Detailing 👀👌🫡