I like how Brahms refrains from writing stuff that is undiomatic in the piano writing and would not fit with the rest of the movement. Sure he does his own harmonic language, but in terms of technique he does not do more than Beethoven would have done. When you compare Alkan's cadenzas to Mozart's 20th Concerto you see the clear difference. Alkan uses his own technique and goes way above anything that Mozart could even have played on a piano.
As for candenze, is it an unwritten rule that all major motifs used in the candenza should be from the previous sections of the current movement? A quote of the Bach motif here is neutral and only arouses awe; quoting non-classical popular music is occational acceptable to me; but it would be another story if the pianist suddenly quotes a national anthem, or any melody with strong connection to political movements. Also a candenza cannot spoil important, especially unexpected climax moments in the uncoming movements or following works to be played at the same concert, I guess.
I don't know of any specific rules, in general from what I've seen there are many different opinions about what a cadenza should be. I'm just uploading the ones I'm finding regardless of their content, and whoever watches is welcome to share their opinions about the composition :) (In this case I personally find the Bach motif to be really cool, making the cadenza have elements of Bach Beethoven and Brahms, the 3 B's in one place)
Wow, this cadenza is really bad. I mean: REALLY. Almost Wilhelm Kempff atrocity level. Super disappointing from a genius like Brahms. I wish I hadn't heard this (the midi piano doesn't help either). Gotto clean my ears with Beethovens own cadenza played by Brendel now.
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ah yes, this old chestnut
i remember playing this when i was 3 months old without having seen the music or hearing it
3 Month? I was not even 3 weeks old.
Wow, Brahms did? 🎉🎉
I like how Brahms refrains from writing stuff that is undiomatic in the piano writing and would not fit with the rest of the movement. Sure he does his own harmonic language, but in terms of technique he does not do more than Beethoven would have done. When you compare Alkan's cadenzas to Mozart's 20th Concerto you see the clear difference. Alkan uses his own technique and goes way above anything that Mozart could even have played on a piano.
Bach quote was cursed af
Makes my belief more solid that the C-B-D-C# in the coda of his 4th symphony is no coincidence
so true
Idil Biret recorded it on a Bosendorfer
I heard it! Her interpretation helped me, a few things in my video are inspired by how she played the cadenza.
@@thelonesomepianist She.
As for candenze, is it an unwritten rule that all major motifs used in the candenza should be from the previous sections of the current movement?
A quote of the Bach motif here is neutral and only arouses awe; quoting non-classical popular music is occational acceptable to me; but it would be another story if the pianist suddenly quotes a national anthem, or any melody with strong connection to political movements.
Also a candenza cannot spoil important, especially unexpected climax moments in the uncoming movements or following works to be played at the same concert, I guess.
I don't know of any specific rules, in general from what I've seen there are many different opinions about what a cadenza should be. I'm just uploading the ones I'm finding regardless of their content, and whoever watches is welcome to share their opinions about the composition :)
(In this case I personally find the Bach motif to be really cool, making the cadenza have elements of Bach Beethoven and Brahms, the 3 B's in one place)
@@zhihuangxu6551 i quote amogus in my cadenza
Wow, this cadenza is really bad. I mean: REALLY. Almost Wilhelm Kempff atrocity level. Super disappointing from a genius like Brahms.
I wish I hadn't heard this (the midi piano doesn't help either). Gotto clean my ears with Beethovens own cadenza played by Brendel now.