Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.3 in Cm, Op.37 (Argerich)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2020
- Argerich never produces recordings that are anything less than excellent, but even by her atmospheric standards this recording is unbelievably good. The playing is mercurial and fiery - but there’s also a real sense of integrity to it, and in the middle movement the pianism reaches a trancelike level of concentration. It’s a very Argerich thing, actually, to play in a manner that sounds completely spontaneous while also having every musical decision also make total sense - consider how carefully she varies her trills, for instance: 5:41 (quiet, even), 8:30 (percussive), 14:27 (from forceful to wafer-thin pianissimo), and 26:59 (mechanical, rigid, even a bit frightening).
In the first movement, you’ve got the granite-hewn hardness of the piano’s entry put in violent contrast against the expressiveness of the rising chords at 3:28. And immediately after, the melodic lines at 3:37 and 4:17 are presented improvisationally, with dozens of dynamic dips/rises and microscopic changes in tempo. Even a simple thing like the falling arpeggio at 4:07 is given a steely brilliance that lifts it a notch above what you usually hear.
The second movement is taken at a really slow tempo, but this works wonders - the ending of the movement seems to stretch to musical infinity, and 20:09 becomes into a moving meditation between piano and winds. And I’ve not heard a better handling of the LH tremolo at 17:17, which here dissolves into a translucent haze of sound.
The last movement is taut and combative, filled with jabbing accent, and some surprisingly coy moments (e.g., 28:14, where Argerich plays the alternating high and low phrases very differently: the first rhythmically tight and detached, the second drowsily legato and noticeably slower, with a hair’s-breadth pause between the two). My favourite modulation in all the Beethoven concertos is also handled brilliantly here: the piano cuts off the orchestra mid-sentence at 31:17 by coming in very loud, and with these arrogant agogic accents. And needless to say, the coda is taken at a blistering, reckless speed: 34:24. - เพลง
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00:00 - I. Allegro con brio
16:10 - II. Largo
26:29 - III. Rondo, allegro
In your, as usual, amazing analysis, second paragraph, last sentence "simply" ; )
I am so grateful to you, listen/view/read all the time! Kudos
@@MichaelBrewick Thanks! Corrected.
12:07
I love the moment at 27:18 - beethoven straight up saying ABSOLUTELY NOT to the major
The cadenza of the 1st mov is one of the best cadenzas ever 😭
15:29 ‘till the end of the first mvt is just perfect
Totally agree
Whole concerto till it's end is just perfect
Hahhaha exactly 15:29 :)
We thought the same thing
I think this is one of Beethoven's most well-rounded compositions. It's approaching Mozart-like perfection in the sense that all phrases feel like they're natural laws that Beethoven just wrote down.
The cadenza starting at 12:07 is one of my favourites of any concerto ever (probably my favourite along with Prokofiev 2 and Rach 3). 13:57 onwards is so powerful.
Interesting! I think it's the weakest part of this concerto. Though, as the concerto is a most fine composition, I'm not saying it wouldn't be good, still.
@@WennAde 🤣🤣Lol this piano solo is musically one of the best parts ever written
@@stefanmueller6726 Each one of us may have an opinion. That's fine. No need to laugh to anyone. I personally found it interesting that what I as a trained musician and pianist regard as least valuable in this concerto, is so highly appreciated by someone else. Beethoven is one of my many favourite composers.
What about the cadenza of the 4th concerto? I like it even more, especially the arpeggios and then to the end of the 1st movement it's just pure magic.
@@makaan699 Yes, it is phenomenal. Beethoven's 4th concerto is in my opinion possibly the best concerto of all the concerto literature, being of course a highly individual work and not the stereotype of a grand concerto (which Beethoven may, in a way, fulfil most perfectly in his 5th concerto).
Today I literally had a dream where my teacher told me I was going to learn this. Dreams are dreams...
So what are you waiting for? It is hard to play and you have to start practise now, because it takes time. Do you have sheets? If you don't, first step is to get them. And remember, that you don't have to be Argerich to learn this piece.
@@piikkikruunu i only have ABRSM piano grade 8 which is obviously shit for a 13-year old when everyone else has LTCL... do you think I can try this badass out
@@mkgaming8963 LTCL is very hard. And you are 13? C'mon, you have all the time in the world. If you can play ABRSM grade 8 at the age !13! you can play Beethoven when you are 23. Maybe earlier, you know it better. But it seems to me, you have enough talent in music. Do you have plans to play LTCL too? Try to pick one or two pieces. Schubert Impromptu op 142 no 1 for example.
@@piikkikruunu tysm!! Im planning to try out atcl next year~ cheers
What a coincidence that I had asked my piano teacher what other pieces I could learn other than the 2 or 3 choices I already had. My piano teacher said this Beethoven concerto or a Liszt piece.
It is interesting to note that this is one of the first compositions (if not the first) that breaks the upper range of F6 on the piano. Previously there had been many cases where Beethoven had to make some concessions.
In the first concerto Op.15, one would have to apply a 'cheat' in the exposition to get to the F#6. It was F6 as written, but the parallel passage clearly intended it to be a major third. Beethoven later wrote a cadenza that took advantage of extended keys not available when he first wrote the Op. 15 Concerto.
It's an interesting debate between those who would play Beethoven exactly as written versus those who stand by the 'uncurtailed form' (what Beethoven would have written, had he not been constrained by the tessitura). There isn't much debate from the Third Piano Concerto onwards though, the Concerto as written was already playable with the upgraded piano at that time.
The importance of Beethoven's music in helping to develop the modern piano we see today cannot be understated.
Haydn "English" Sonata in C - 1794, was probably the first. Goes up to A. In the sonatas of H and M one sees some ingenious steering round the limited range (HV37), and also some clear crashes (K332) which can now be updated.
You mean "can't be overstated" I think
This one reminds me a lot of Mozart no 24 concerto!
@@staalman1226What's your point? Can't is a contraction of cannot.
@@russelldeitch5765 He said "understated", not "overstated".
Bruh those trills are so perfectly executed
Man...I can't get tired of that first movement. It is as close to perfection as it can get.
"The score was incomplete at its first performance. Beethoven's friend, Ignaz von Seyfried, who turned the pages of the music for him that night, later wrote:
I saw almost nothing but empty pages; at the most, on one page or another a few Egyptian hieroglyphs wholly unintelligible to me were scribbled down to serve as clues for him; for he played nearly all the solo part from memory since, as was so often the case, he had not had time to set it all down on paper."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Concerto_No._3_(Beethoven)
That's remarkable! What an absolute legend
Just what I was waiting for! Thank you again for uploading another fabulous recording!
this performance by Argerich is riveting, she displays Beethoven with a passion, this is how beethoven is meant to be played
Thank you for posting a performance by the living Goddess.
I think that she looks even more like a Goddess now. I saw her with Mischa this year and I was in tears when she appeared
Nicolas Roques excuse me? People age. It happens. She still looks great.
@@nicolasroques1887 And since when is youth associated with godhood? Immortality is more like it, and Argerich has already achieved that with her playing
Omg Martha Argerich is in my opinion one of the best pianists! Her expressions are so colourful she surprises me every time 🥰
The 1st movement starts revolution in my heart.
I'm so grateful for you posting all these videos. You've got great taste in classical piano.
For a minor piece, I find it surprisingly light and pleasant. It's such a stunning work of music!
This concerto is everything 😍
Gosh! the second movement.....the first few bars are so simple and beautiful.
You are the most essential resource for a classical pianist.
The 3rd movement, The Rondo -
"It really feels like hearing another version of the Rondo, also 3rd mov. from Pathétique. Remarkble how simmilar and different at the same they can be."
beni tanrıya en yaklaştıran şey müziktir.
la musique est ce qui me rapproche le plus de Dieu.
Beethoven
Thank you for the description I love it
Took this for my music O levels. I will never forget this masterpiece.
Wow and that was live ..... Incredible
The last note of the 1st movement was awesome
7:49 just magic🌌
Fantástico. Elegante, simple, a la vez enérgico y conmovedor.
The similarities with the 24th Mozart Concerto are striking especially the 1st and 3rd movements!
3rd mov. of this concerto its very similar with the four mov. of the string quintet No.2 in C minor kv.406 by Mozart.
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Sturm und Drang
I love this piano concerto so much!! I'm learning it right now...but that cadenza is scaring me a lot 😳
wait till the third movement… some annoying parts there 🤦♂️
Mr Kumar, thank you so much for the 10 jewels (twice each Beethoven' s concert) you have offered us. Hope you are fine in Singapure
I don't know what makes me like this piano concerto. Maybe it's because it has much in common with Beethoven's famous 5th Symphony. The way the third movement ends is really amazing!
Nobody can even be close to Argerich's level. Simply magnificent !!
Have you heard Leon Fleischer’s recording? I believe it’s the best one and although this one is also amazing Fleischer is even better IMO. Check it out if you want to hear great pianism
Beethoven ou la conquête de la liberté. Ça fait du bien, là. Je ne l'avais pas écouté depuis longtemps. Pour moi un des plus beaux concertos qui soit. Interprétation magnifique.
I was waiting for a recording from Martha. I asked what your feelings about Argerich were in a previous (deleted) comment, but of course you have an amazing analysis in your description as always, hehe..
This is a beautiful recording and many thanks. As a pianist myself, I have to say however that there are many parts I would have played very differently. My version would have been riddled with mistakes. Cheers from Sydney, Aust - Dave
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Grazie per lo spartito!!!❤️
That opening orchestral ritornello is Beethoven at his best.
And she dares to say she doesn’t play this concerto very well...
emperor
I know right!!!!
I know! Lol I actually saw her playing this in Buenos Aires many years ago
@@pablomarqueez The 'Emperor Concerto' is Beethoven's 5th Piano Concerto.
I suppose also that she does not find her playing of Beethoven's piano sonatas good enough, and it is why she will never record them. A pity!
Grandiosa música con una maravillosa pianista
Bravo bravo bravo genial grandiose music concerto super
28:01
That chromatics along the melody are really good
Terrific performance. Thank-you.
Amazing as always! Could you possibly do a video on the Goldberg Variations? Great videos again much appreciation!!
Bravo!!!
Superb.
Op. 2 no. 1 and 2, Op. 10 no. 2, Op. 13 (Pathetique), Op. 14 no. 2, Op. 27 no. 2 (Moonlight)... I hear them all in this concerto, like Beethoven did kind of summary of his piano works in one concerto!
And here she is, and my looking for a reference recording of the 3rd comes to an ending (had already listen to this recording many many times, but went looking for other options). Have yet to hear Minnar.
Incroyable.
Has someone else noticed how the beginning of the 2nd mvt is so similar to the Adagio con espressione in Sonata No. 13?
This was my first piano piece I tried to learn, I had been fiddling around for years without making a repetoire, I learned parts of it that's how to practice is find playable parts of virtuoso pieces
THANKS
7:28 is so lovely!
More Beethoven!
I love reading your comments!
13:47 Always reminds me of the recapitulation to the last movement of the patheituqe sonata.
Narrowing down each concerto to just 2 recordings couldn't have been easy. Were there any near-misses that you considered but eventually chose to go without? The obligatory honourable mentions category, essentially.
Voyager Ooh that’s a great question I’d like to know that too
Amazing question! As far as I can recall (and I'm a bit fuzzy now on the individual PCs, but I think this is about right) --
All-round great sets (so every recording in these could be considered a runner-up, so to speak):
1. Brendel (the set with Rattle)
2. Minnaar
3. Helmchen (he’s not released the 3rd, but I’m pretty sure it’ll be excellent - he is nothing if not consistent)
4. Barnatan with ASMF - want to give a special shoutout to this one, as Barnatan does not seem that well-known. It really kind of creeps up on you how very good these recordings are. They’ll seem rather understated at first, but brim with a lot of really intelligent, sensitive, take-nothing-for-granted musicianship. I’m probably going to feature his Triple Concerto or Choral Fantasy (or both, who knows!).
If you have a bit of cash, you can get the CDs here: bit.ly/2zKQGMz
Some sets I was kind of disappointed by (highlighting these because there were at least some very laudatory reviews):
1. Perahia - Really pretty, but I don’t think I wanted pretty in these concertos.
2. Andsnes - Was really looking forward to this, but it was a real letdown. The playing was stiff and reserved to a fault (though the cadenzas were great).
3. Lisiecki - Playing was surprisingly fiery and dry, but the interaction with the orchestra was not good and the miking was bad, bad, bad - far too much weight on the piano, which ended up sounding relentlessly clattery.
For individual PCs:
No.1 - Emanuel Ax had a really melting performance. Schwizgebel was excellent too.
No.2 - Argerich, plus the *very* perverse Mustonen (check out his complete set if you want a heavy dose of psychedelic weirdness)
No.3 - Quite liked Kissin, Goode, Lewis.
No.4 - Fellner and Pires were excellent, Uchida also very good.
No.5 - Fellner again, also Kissin.
@@AshishXiangyiKumar Thanks! This response was far more thorough than I could have hoped for. I'll be sure to make my way through them all. :D
On the note of Helmchen, however, his PC1 is the first time I heard someone combine the 2nd and 3rd cadenzas in the first movement. I do this to bypass the technical challenge that is the 3rd cadenza while still wanting to hit that FAT C chord at the end, but it really does sound quite good to combine the light brevity of the 2nd cadenza with the fireworks of the 3rd after the trill. I'm wondering if anyone else does this?
Ashish Xiangyi Kumar ohh wow i'm surprised you didn't like Andsnes he is one of my favourites! But what is your thoughts on Zimermans recordings with Bernstein?
@@AshishXiangyiKumar Apparently Pletnev and Mustonen are off the radar for you?
May I suggest, please, that you name the conductor and orchestra when you post these excellent score-videos? This would be greatly appreciated, since many performers have recorded these works multiple times, and the information under "Listen ad-free with TH-cam Premium" is very often of different recordings being promoted by TH-cam and its advertising customers. Thanks!
34:12 Normal people: "Ritardando calando"
Me: "Ricatarlandandodo"
My first Piano Concerto! I just finished learning the rondo yesterday! For anyone attempting to learn this one, it takes great patience, and even greater care. It's my favorite Beethoven Piano Concerto, and one of my favorite concertos of all time. If you'd like, I played the 1st movement at a concert at my school, Macphail Center for Music: th-cam.com/video/3pxRJCGVDV8/w-d-xo.html
(My performance starts at 16:20)
my first concerto as well! a hard piece of work even for someone who plays virtuoso prokofiev/ liszt repertoire etc… definitely a very big challenge musically ( not really to make music but more to make the interpretation stand out from others). not a piece of a cake technically either, awkward and deceiving. nonetheless… beautiful.
listened to you! Bravo!
Either this or Mendelssohn concerto in D minor will be my first concerto! Wish me luck
What an exquisite performance. A bucket list item: see Martha Argerich, live, in concert. Not that that is so key, since you and others make her astounding work available at our fingertips. Thank you!
Ashish xiangyi kumar, you need to know how much I love you. There are so many quality pieces from amazing players. I discovered your channel and had another classical music renaissance. I don’t play. I only knew beethoven, mozart, and bach. Now I know so many more and can say my favorites are ravel, debussy, and chopin. Thank you, from the deepest parts of my heart. Have my babies.
“HAVE YOUR BABIES” EWWW GROSS! 😷
@@leo32190 I can't hear you.
It was so wholesome until the last part
Not demeriting MArgerich it is actually Abbado who propitiates the atmosphere and interpretive quality here ... Marvelous music making!
Top notch!!
the back and forth its like a dance of good and evil but the darkness is so sad .......maybe even love vs ?? great jam all should enjoy.. know how dumb i must sound but ...feel
This helps me boost my drawing levels
@Adolf Hitler oh no, you again.
I know you haven't posted in a while, but I'd love to see what your favorite recording of the Brahms 1st PC is. Or one that you think is amazing. Miss ya man :)
as soon as i see Argerich i click
Ottima esecuzione
5:21 - 5:36 this is one of my favorite parts
How true it is that at the premier of this piece in 1803, Beethoven was playing an unfinished piano part and only had sketches of the piece on paper.....hmmm
Don't know about this for sure, but it always seems to me amazing that these great works were ever written down in their entirety, especially given the need for multiple copies one for each member of the orchestra.
Dan Ordel I don’t know, but I do know that Beethoven was the first composer to write down the cadenzas of not only his concertos, but also Mozart’s concertos.
18:39 I'd marry with this melody if I could
29:55 for me
올려주셔서 감삼당
I remember playing this when I was 13, ahh, brings back memories
6:56 sounds like first mvt of k.466
34:26 Argerich be like “yeah it’s B then C, I’m not hiding it”
Final Boss: Piano
Hello, great work :) i suggest you to give a listen to Irakly Avaliani in Brahms, Jean Claude Vanden Eynden in Ravel, Eduardo del Pueyo and Ethery Djakeli, these are great pianists that are not well-know from public but they equal pianists such as lipatti in my opinion :)
One must take into account that MA and CA know each other musically very well!....in the 60's they recorded an epoch making Ravel and Prokofiev.
Richard willner is the best there’s ever bean
Hello Ashish, I have spent hours upon hours watching your videos and reading the analyses and gave me an exquisite introspection into the world of Beethoven's piano works. I would like to render some financial donation to you. Is there a way?
I see a lot of the first movement of Pathetique in the score of the first movement of this concerto. Is it just me?
Am I misreading that or the time-signature is 4/4 in the first movement?
I wish the next video is Choral et Fugue.
How does she play the first movement cadenza so fast
Lol the final "A" theme (before the coda) in the finale appears in Db major
14:52 my favorite episode ❤
누가 이렇게 맛깔나게 치나 했더니 역시
13:44
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Beste 2. Satz in the World
I hope His Royal Highness Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia was grateful!
3:16
What is your opinion of the Zimerman/Bernstien recording?
Nicolas Roques it means “in my honest opinion”
why do people insist in the 2 or 3 recordings available on youtube? there are dozens of recordings out there.
@@markito3311 Not insisting, just asking for an opinion on something
@@dapperdecidueye247 ashish even makes jokes about ppl asking for zimerman. Sry, no bm
@@markito3311 That's because Zimerman is a fookin legend.
30:32
Nel complesso è una interpretazione che non mi fa scattare la scintilla
35:11 BRAVOOO *clapclapclapclapclap*
26:29 I really wonder why Beethoven doesn't use Alla Breve here. The tempo and feeling of the piece really matches Alla Breve, doesn't it?
It might be something to do with the pulse of the movement
@@Trooman20 But if he uses Alla Breve with quarter notes it would be the same pulse. The main theme is similar to the 3rd movement of Sonata Pathetique, where he also uses Alla breve
@@tarikeld11 true
Touch
The First theme of the Rondo seems familiar... Did he use it in an other sonata or something Like that?
I have often wondered the same. Not directly in any one of his sonatas, but I think one could compare it to 3rd movement of his 5th sonata and the 2rd movement of his 8th piano sonata (Pathetique) seem quite similar. Also the 1st movement of Mozart's 14 sonata, though that might have rather been an inspiration for the 1st movement of the piano concerto than the last. These are all in C minor. Of these I think the Pathetique is the closest one
The 2nd theme from the 1st movement in his Piano Sonata No. 19 in G minor is very similar to this Rondo theme!