You all know me by now I try to stay positive on this channel but I had so many things to say after watching this movie that a review had to be made. I also think making this has driven me insane because of how challenging it was but that’s ok we ball
I'm pretty open minded artistically when it comes to adaptations of fictional comic characters. As a comic fan we get new adaptations all the time in the comics and new versions of the established characters I get it that each director wants to put there style into these characters. I also liked Jared Letos Joker who was a new take as a modern crime boss something we had not seen before with Joker I also liked the first Joker movie didn't love it but found it a good movie that yes was a rip off of Martin Scorsese King of Comedy but it was a good movie effort for a grounded take on the Joker as if he was a real mentally ill guy. However this version of the Joker is not a super villian he's not a comic book character he isn't deep or interesting enough for multiple flicks so he didn't need a sequel. With that said I actually do appreciate that they wanted to artistically do something totally different from the 2019 film and make it a musical im open minded artistically to adaptations and I could have went with a good Joker Harley musical. All this flick needed to be was a story about how being a celebrity now as Joker effects Arthur and have Harley represent the women who idolize serial killers let her be a metaphor for that. Then end the film with Joker and Harley both dying together being killed and shot down together make the flick about there shared insanity. But if you went this direction it would be another grounded Joker movie just like the first and Todd Phillips simply did not want to make a Joker movie he wanted to make a film about a random mentally ill guy with some aspects of the comic Joker character. I get it I understand what he wanted to do but if you remove something to far it becomes something else to the point of just go make a different movie then about a random guy and not call it Joker. I also get the implications and idea of the ending that Arthur embraced his dark side and inspired angry mentally unstable people and him being killed at the end of the film by one of his own followers is the result of that it's meant to be ironic I get it. At the same time if your movies called Joker and you make 2 movies about a random guy who isn't Joker but just happens to inspire the real Joker it's like OK why am I watching 2 flicks called Joker that aren't even about the actual Joker. I suppose Phillips intention was to make the movies about the Joker persona and not the Joker himself I also get that but you risk becoming to pretentious with that direction. I'm fine with Todd Phillips wanting to do his own else world take on the character and even fine with him doing a grounded take on the character that is a metaphor for mental illness but at the same time you have to keep it somewhat in the spirit of the comics. What Todd Phillips has essentially made with Joker 2 now is two films about a mentally unstable depressed dude who goes crazy kills some people then gets killed lol. Still I do legit think the first Joker 2019 is a good movie nothing special or great and not a masterpiece but I do find it a good grounded take on Joker if he was a regular mentally ill guy.
Folie à Deux is a "comic book movie musical" that is really not a comic book movie nor a musical, not in any way that makes either of those two things compelling, worthwhile, or entertaining. .
It's hilarious how the movie makes a joke about Puddles being a ridiculous last name, yet they imply the name Harley is so stupid that they have to rename her "Lee".
I'm making a movie called "batman - le battu". It's about a mild mannered millionaire who gets beaten to d3ath with a baseball bat. It's half musical half black and white silent movie. Watch this space.
@@TheChadTI instead of a popcorn bucket, you get a cream pie square in the face with "thanks for the cash, sucker" printed on the special edition paper plate.
@@hunkahunka1488Yes but like all other versions of say Harley remind me of Harley. Even Harley in like the Gotham show u could show me just an image of and I can say hmm looks like Harley. I don't even know why Gaga was supposed to be Harley and not just a random inmate. I wouldn't know it was Harley unless I was told. There's multiple or new ways to write a character but why make a new take that's so boring or so unrecognizable for the character to the point they could just be an original character.
I think the “message” of it all was supposed to be something about how “we” worship violence/serial killers, in doing so it kinda just felt like a worse, boring version of natural born killers. It also tried to mention dissociative identity disorder for like ten minutes in a nonsense way and then completely ignored it,
@@WholeShebangYT same, I have no idea what they were getting at by it or how they concluded it. And with the first movie being about how society treats people with mental health issues, the whole DID thing almost felt like the antithesis of all of that, somehow was a worse depiction of DID than split I feel like lol.
Could have been interesting to understand if the disorder was explored more to provide information and understanding towards the disorder and by some extent understand people with it, but nope… 😭
@@ammomusic5319 I was diagnosed with DID in 2012 (before it was popular on Tick Tock😂) I didn't make that connection at all with the first one and not sure how dumb they approach it here but it seems silly af. I guess ill never know as i'll see this movie by ambush only.
I honestly think people are getting burnt out on comic book films and I have a feeling even if James Gunn Superman Legacy is a good movie that it will probably under perform or flop out right. I just get the feeling that the comic book film bubble might actually be getting ready to slow down and that we might be reaching the end of big crazy thats been going on for a while now. I have to disagree with the reviewer though in the sense that I actually prefer Letos Joker over Phoenix Joker in Joker 2. Letos Joker was meant to be a new adaptation of the source material that had not been done yet they wanted to reinvent the Joker for modern generations because in the comics he is a crime boss. With that said Jared Leto was wasted in Suicide Squad and not used properly or given a part that actually impacted the story. Now that can change if the Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad ever comes out and we see his real original dark abusive Joker role that was originally intended and film but until then I can only go by what I saw. With Joker each director wants to adapt the character into there own thing and I can appreciate that artistically the only difference with Letos Joker is he didn't feel of the same piece as the first 3 Live action adaptations before him he felt removed from them and felt like his own interpretation and own thing and not a continuation of what we were used to with the character in the other films.
Joker 2 never really justifies its own existence outside of "the first one made a billion dollars", and it's verrrrrry apparent that no one on set wanted to be there (except for maybe Brendan Gleeson). There aren't really any characters outside of Arthur, and even then, Arthur doesn't really get many chances to do...Anything, so he ends up feeling very flat too.
I love how every single political spectrum, filmbros, casuals, hate this film 😆 kinda expected if its was movie like morbius or madame webb but never expect a sequel to critically acclaimed movie would be flopped so hard. Its hilarious
I’ve never seen a comic book movie so universally panned like this it’s honestly wild, especially since the first is like the most profitable movie of all time. I’d still take it over Morbius every single day tho
2:20 you earned my like when you said this, if anything im kinda glad this movie is so hated as it was ,because of how hilariously overblown the first one was
I hope this is the end of the joker. The fans who are inspired by the 1st are the same people who think that Travis Bickle is the good guy. Edit: it makes me think it was bad on purpose
Are you going to make a video about the new John Stewart casting in the DCU? Unlike the casting for Hal, I think they nailed it with Aaron Pierre as John Stewart.
Honestly good question but probably not, I already said my piece in a previous video and this new one would be pretty short. Plus I’m behind on the next video so I gotta get to work on that
I didn't like the first one, and while I also didn't like this one, I actually found it more interesting that the first. It was definitely less cohesive and the musical numbers were ultimately unnecessary but I appreciate that it doubles down on what I have personally thought about this iteration of the character since the beginning which is that he is never and never was the Joker. As is both movies are totally worthless to me.
That’s very fair! The ideas in this movie are certainly more interesting than the first despite the terrible execution. If they had just locked in and told the story right we could’ve had something special bc the idea of him not being the Joker is fascinating. Now we’re just stuck with the most pointless duology of all time
My biggest takeaway from this movie is that I'm sick of Joker and Harley Quinn media. I would rather see a movie about Mister Freeze or the Scarecrow. Give me a revenge style thriller about Mister Freeze or a psychological style horror film about Scarecrow just anything else other than the Joker or Harley Quinn.
@@tylerbertram7065 I thought with the emphasis on domestic violence and unhealthy relationships, we'd have had a good Joker/Harley story, and yet. It's a shame. I'd love to have a good story on screen that'd explore their relationship in all its fucked-upedness, but if they keep screwing it up, yeah, better leave it alone.
I think the movie(s) is a good one, just not a good Joker movie. Joker is not a blank slate character, just because he's not got a set past. His lack of a set past and the inexistence of any logical reason to what he does *is* the basis of the character. If this had been 1. one movie and 2. an original story, it would have been great. Like, I can't write a story about a guy trading in illegal antiquities to fund his underground anarcho-communist group and create an uprising to topple the existing structure and make it an Indiana Jones movie because "oh, it's just a different iteration of the character".
@@WholeShebangYT The sad thing is, you can't make authentic auteur cinema with a ready audience and existing characters of active megafranchises. Todd Philipps unfortunately tried to combine both, it seems, and failed.
Makes me wonder if the director was trying to make a bunch of Jokers irl because of the movie driving them mad. The baby plotpoint was so pointless, the implied rape scene was pointless, everything in the movie was just pointless.
The main problem for me was that he died before he did any Joker shit Like, he wasn't even the real joker, I guess? I just pretend this movie doesn't exist and make my own sequel up in my mind Part 1 was excellent
Whole Shebang, you should watch Transformers One. The trailers do NOT do this movie justice. It's a perfect starting point for anyone who isn't into Transformers, and it'll make up for the travesty you just watched lol
I would say I am the most casual Transformers fan possible (Bumblebee 2018 is my GOAT) so I’ll make sure to check it out soon! I need a pallet cleanser lmao
I think my love of Jazz carry the movie for me lol. I go out thinking the movie was fine even if pointless and yes, a lot of the time I felt like the "musical" took so dang long.
It doesn't matter how good the film looks if the film fell apart & left me with my most disappointing cinema experience ever!!! There was so many possibilities set up throughout the film & they pissed them all away plus they destroyed the first film in the process . DC & Warner Brothers should be ashamed of themselves for putting this garbage on screen.
I don't want to defend this sequel, but there's a point you're missing. Even before the first one came out it was stated that this wasn't Batman's Joker, instead he was the man who the original Joker idolized, somehow people forgot that fact
I dunno if we're in front of the worst movie of the year, but it's a disappointing movie as this is a sequel nobody wanted, until the own Joaquin Phoenix didn't like Joker 2 either, while chatting with Gaga at a film festival.
Wait a second. Why couldn't the Joker have a great singing voice? Even Arthur Fleck could have been a failed lounge singer as one of his jobs to try and survive. So maybe in his mind, in his fantasies he has a great voice. Now would Joaquin let them dub his voice like they did in the old days? That 's the question.
This movie made me not want to see ANY future warner bros dc movie. This movie is a disrespect to fans of dc comic fans and fans of the first movie..and imo completely undermine the first movie making it pointless.. all the bad guys in this movie especially the guards never got their just dessert. It was nothing but abuse fantasy film like passion of the christ except arthur fleck
The thing i cant quite get my head around is the budget for this film, the first film cost a quarter of what this film cost, the sequel cost $190 million dollars ! With only TWO locations, the courtroom and Arkham Asylum !...This is the craziest thing of all. Just imagine the film they could have made for that (or even two films) : Joker escapes from Arkham asylum and unleashes hell on the establishment becoming leader of the civil unrest group/rioters from the end of the first film and attacks those who have spawned/humiliated him while delving even deeper into his dark and twisted psychology and the meaning of his place in society. The social divide between those who follow and those who lead ; with Joker becoming a terrorist/freedom fighter paradox and cultural icon in the process. *What do we get* ? A monstrous F**K U to the fanbase of the original, an insult to audiences worldwide, a terrible script and film nobody wanted, lady ga ga, a pointless and needless musical, the Joker character raped and humiliated and he's NOT even the Joker anyway (possibly a symbol of what the film maker wanted to do to the audience). Its one of the worst sequels of all time from a film-maker who has committed commercial and career suicide. So " well done " Todd, I hope this crash and burn piss-weak excuse for a film was worth it.
am i the only one feeling like there is some kind of a tinge of "corrective rape" or something, like all Joker needed was to really get it handed to him and finally he'd know true pain... that's not how criminal minds work. if anything it makes them more steadfast in their rage and hatred of the world. i feel Joker would have doubled down, not renounced himself after such a thing. i really didn't like that element of the film
Yeah I had a section on that I cut out because I didn’t think I was doing it justice and it’s a serious subject, but they straight up have that in there. That whole segment at the end really cemented this movie as a disaster for me bc it comes out of nowhere and feels so weird for what it implies
@@ammomusic5319mb I made a reply and realized I replied to the wrong person I’m so sorry. I made my original comment in response to someone saying that the rape didn’t happen.
I don't understand how the first movie represented "incels"? Then again I really don't think incels are a thing. It's just a newer cheap insult for a male's lack of masculinity like "virgin" once was. It's an updated version of virgin, that's it lol the first joker seemed more about mental illness and being abandoned by general society but what does any of that have to do with sex?
The 20 second teaser we saw where Arthur's laughing in the rain is that in the film? This part.. i doubt Todd and Joaquin care if this failed, they received millions and it's out of their hands after filming wrapped..smh.. Gaga wanted yo be called Lee,i don't think it was Todd. I don't know. I haven't seen it. Good, video cheers mate 👍🏻 th-cam.com/video/_uJtAfNKpXY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1qzulZ_eluQMwKp3
So you hated the first one…. And you hate this one. Doesn’t this prove that this movie is for no one to enjoy Also if you want to see the “ Harley in power over joker” thing , play the telltale Batman games . They do it way better
I would like to be a little bit constructive and recommend Healthy alternative to this awful movie you could be watching inside transformers one is a really good jumping on point for new transformers fans can details the originals of Megatron and Optimus as well as the downfall of there friendship and the wild robot a movie i haven't seen yet but have heard nothing but good things about by DreamWorks please go watch these movies they could definitely use the support
At least the film was more narratively fulfilling than Deadpool and Wolverine, a film that was all over the place and felt like a parody of their own franchise, Joker 2 might be bad but it had something
What's bad about not embracing the fantastical nature of the world of DC? That was the point of the movie, to see how someone in a real grounded world would end up being that kind of figure like Joker, mentally. Not everything has to be a theme park for people who can only watch action movies. First one was great, it it wouldn't be it wouldn't have gotten so much love. Second one is bad, yes, but one can't truly rate or understand the second one without liking the first one
You can absolutely rate a sequel even if you didn’t like the first, that should never invalidate someone’s opinion. Understanding is another thing, but honestly he makes a pretty good assessment aside from that one comment, and that’s not even what this whole review is hanging on (there is the whole tanget about Gotham not looking like Gotham, not respecting it, but honestly that isn’t “fantastical nature” just, the basic setting)
I mean if I want to watch a real movie...id just watch one? Plenty of great non superhero movies and if anything outside of maybe The Dark Knight i find realism in these movies kinda dull most of the time often with nothing to say or any reason for realism being necessary. If you don't want a comic book movie maybe watch something else?
@@lepersonnage371 You said whats bad about not embracing fantastical elements? There are significantly better movies that display or do what Joker does but infinitely better. Parasite, King of Comedy, Taxi Driver. If I want a movie void of all fantastical elements then what am I doing paying to see a DC or Marvel movie for? I’d just watch a real movie at that point real meaning characters that are actually just actors or actresses playing normal characters with no supernatural elements to them or heightened realities.
You all know me by now I try to stay positive on this channel but I had so many things to say after watching this movie that a review had to be made. I also think making this has driven me insane because of how challenging it was but that’s ok we ball
I'm pretty open minded artistically when it comes to adaptations of fictional comic characters. As a comic fan we get new adaptations all the time in the comics and new versions of the established characters I get it that each director wants to put there style into these characters. I also liked Jared Letos Joker who was a new take as a modern crime boss something we had not seen before with Joker I also liked the first Joker movie didn't love it but found it a good movie that yes was a rip off of Martin Scorsese King of Comedy but it was a good movie effort for a grounded take on the Joker as if he was a real mentally ill guy. However this version of the Joker is not a super villian he's not a comic book character he isn't deep or interesting enough for multiple flicks so he didn't need a sequel.
With that said I actually do appreciate that they wanted to artistically do something totally different from the 2019 film and make it a musical im open minded artistically to adaptations and I could have went with a good Joker Harley musical. All this flick needed to be was a story about how being a celebrity now as Joker effects Arthur and have Harley represent the women who idolize serial killers let her be a metaphor for that. Then end the film with Joker and Harley both dying together being killed and shot down together make the flick about there shared insanity. But if you went this direction it would be another grounded Joker movie just like the first and Todd Phillips simply did not want to make a Joker movie he wanted to make a film about a random mentally ill guy with some aspects of the comic Joker character. I get it I understand what he wanted to do but if you remove something to far it becomes something else to the point of just go make a different movie then about a random guy and not call it Joker.
I also get the implications and idea of the ending that Arthur embraced his dark side and inspired angry mentally unstable people and him being killed at the end of the film by one of his own followers is the result of that it's meant to be ironic I get it. At the same time if your movies called Joker and you make 2 movies about a random guy who isn't Joker but just happens to inspire the real Joker it's like OK why am I watching 2 flicks called Joker that aren't even about the actual Joker. I suppose Phillips intention was to make the movies about the Joker persona and not the Joker himself I also get that but you risk becoming to pretentious with that direction. I'm fine with Todd Phillips wanting to do his own else world take on the character and even fine with him doing a grounded take on the character that is a metaphor for mental illness but at the same time you have to keep it somewhat in the spirit of the comics. What Todd Phillips has essentially made with Joker 2 now is two films about a mentally unstable depressed dude who goes crazy kills some people then gets killed lol. Still I do legit think the first Joker 2019 is a good movie nothing special or great and not a masterpiece but I do find it a good grounded take on Joker if he was a regular mentally ill guy.
@@WholeShebangYT bad content
Folie à Deux is a "comic book movie musical" that is really not a comic book movie nor a musical, not in any way that makes either of those two things compelling, worthwhile, or entertaining. .
This is EXACTLY it, much better wording than anything I said and a lot easier to digest than a thirty minute rant
its not even a movie, lol ;)
It's hilarious how the movie makes a joke about Puddles being a ridiculous last name, yet they imply the name Harley is so stupid that they have to rename her "Lee".
Oh my god I didn’t even consider that 😭
I'm making a movie called "batman - le battu". It's about a mild mannered millionaire who gets beaten to d3ath with a baseball bat. It's half musical half black and white silent movie. Watch this space.
What's the exclusive popcorn bucket look like?
@@TheChadTI instead of a popcorn bucket, you get a cream pie square in the face with "thanks for the cash, sucker" printed on the special edition paper plate.
Batman is probably a Billionaire I can't imagine a millionaire being able to afford their own space station
Better than joker foli a deux
The worst thing about these movies is that the people who made these movies don’t care about the character in general
Hollywood is too up their ass to care about comic books and video games
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I'm glad you made that plural.
@@aymaanrashid2033 there’s thousands of versions of joker and Harley why not do something different and interesting?
@@hunkahunka1488Yes but like all other versions of say Harley remind me of Harley. Even Harley in like the Gotham show u could show me just an image of and I can say hmm looks like Harley. I don't even know why Gaga was supposed to be Harley and not just a random inmate. I wouldn't know it was Harley unless I was told. There's multiple or new ways to write a character but why make a new take that's so boring or so unrecognizable for the character to the point they could just be an original character.
I think the “message” of it all was supposed to be something about how “we” worship violence/serial killers, in doing so it kinda just felt like a worse, boring version of natural born killers. It also tried to mention dissociative identity disorder for like ten minutes in a nonsense way and then completely ignored it,
God the whole DID subplot really pissed me off
@@WholeShebangYT same, I have no idea what they were getting at by it or how they concluded it. And with the first movie being about how society treats people with mental health issues, the whole DID thing almost felt like the antithesis of all of that, somehow was a worse depiction of DID than split I feel like lol.
Could have been interesting to understand if the disorder was explored more to provide information and understanding towards the disorder and by some extent understand people with it, but nope… 😭
@@ammomusic5319 I was diagnosed with DID in 2012 (before it was popular on Tick Tock😂) I didn't make that connection at all with the first one and not sure how dumb they approach it here but it seems silly af. I guess ill never know as i'll see this movie by ambush only.
@@TheChadTI it’s not mentioned/alluded to at all in the first movie, they just kinda brought it in to this one for basically no reason
This makes me look forward to Gunn and his team's DCU even more tbh
God it can’t come soon enough
Nobody cares about DCU and their 13th reboot already. Warner Bros is on a warpath to ruin every ip they have
I honestly think people are getting burnt out on comic book films and I have a feeling even if James Gunn Superman Legacy is a good movie that it will probably under perform or flop out right. I just get the feeling that the comic book film bubble might actually be getting ready to slow down and that we might be reaching the end of big crazy thats been going on for a while now. I have to disagree with the reviewer though in the sense that I actually prefer Letos Joker over Phoenix Joker in Joker 2. Letos Joker was meant to be a new adaptation of the source material that had not been done yet they wanted to reinvent the Joker for modern generations because in the comics he is a crime boss. With that said Jared Leto was wasted in Suicide Squad and not used properly or given a part that actually impacted the story. Now that can change if the Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad ever comes out and we see his real original dark abusive Joker role that was originally intended and film but until then I can only go by what I saw.
With Joker each director wants to adapt the character into there own thing and I can appreciate that artistically the only difference with Letos Joker is he didn't feel of the same piece as the first 3 Live action adaptations before him he felt removed from them and felt like his own interpretation and own thing and not a continuation of what we were used to with the character in the other films.
My brother in comics, this movie hurt me like hell. Lmao. Glad that we both see the potential that was wasted.
My brother in comics is my new favorite phrase
0:08 Joker: Flawlie à Deux
Joker 2 never really justifies its own existence outside of "the first one made a billion dollars", and it's verrrrrry apparent that no one on set wanted to be there (except for maybe Brendan Gleeson). There aren't really any characters outside of Arthur, and even then, Arthur doesn't really get many chances to do...Anything, so he ends up feeling very flat too.
23:19 TH-cam subtitles automatically captitlizing "The Narrative" now has me losing it LMAO
THEY WHAT 😭
I love how every single political spectrum, filmbros, casuals, hate this film 😆 kinda expected if its was movie like morbius or madame webb but never expect a sequel to critically acclaimed movie would be flopped so hard. Its hilarious
I’ve never seen a comic book movie so universally panned like this it’s honestly wild, especially since the first is like the most profitable movie of all time. I’d still take it over Morbius every single day tho
I Heath Ledger's Joker didn't exist This iteration of Joker would never succeed
@@stellviahohenheim yeah, and so does the greatest iteration of live action Joker ever: "i'm the Joker, baby"
On another note instead of seeing this movie you should watch Transformers One it was absolutely amazing
I genuinely regret not going to watch TF1 instead because I’ve heard only great things
It's not too late! It'll still be in most theatres for at least another week
Nah I'll just watch Parasite again
The chances of me ever seeing this movie became ZERO the second I heard the word musical! WTF were they thinking!!!?!!!
2:20 you earned my like when you said this, if anything im kinda glad this movie is so hated as it was ,because of how hilariously overblown the first one was
I feel like Todd phillips is so narcissistic he didnt want to give fans a movie they wanted even though we know best
I did like Joker but I’m kinda tired of Hollywood trying to make DC grounded.
I hope this is the end of the joker. The fans who are inspired by the 1st are the same people who think that Travis Bickle is the good guy. Edit: it makes me think it was bad on purpose
Are you going to make a video about the new John Stewart casting in the DCU? Unlike the casting for Hal, I think they nailed it with Aaron Pierre as John Stewart.
Honestly good question but probably not, I already said my piece in a previous video and this new one would be pretty short. Plus I’m behind on the next video so I gotta get to work on that
I didn't like the first one, and while I also didn't like this one, I actually found it more interesting that the first. It was definitely less cohesive and the musical numbers were ultimately unnecessary but I appreciate that it doubles down on what I have personally thought about this iteration of the character since the beginning which is that he is never and never was the Joker. As is both movies are totally worthless to me.
That’s very fair! The ideas in this movie are certainly more interesting than the first despite the terrible execution. If they had just locked in and told the story right we could’ve had something special bc the idea of him not being the Joker is fascinating. Now we’re just stuck with the most pointless duology of all time
Finally a tame comment involving the dislike towards the first person and giving SOME credit to the second
My biggest takeaway from this movie is that I'm sick of Joker and Harley Quinn media. I would rather see a movie about Mister Freeze or the Scarecrow. Give me a revenge style thriller about Mister Freeze or a psychological style horror film about Scarecrow just anything else other than the Joker or Harley Quinn.
@@tylerbertram7065 I thought with the emphasis on domestic violence and unhealthy relationships, we'd have had a good Joker/Harley story, and yet. It's a shame. I'd love to have a good story on screen that'd explore their relationship in all its fucked-upedness, but if they keep screwing it up, yeah, better leave it alone.
I think the movie(s) is a good one, just not a good Joker movie. Joker is not a blank slate character, just because he's not got a set past. His lack of a set past and the inexistence of any logical reason to what he does *is* the basis of the character. If this had been 1. one movie and 2. an original story, it would have been great. Like, I can't write a story about a guy trading in illegal antiquities to fund his underground anarcho-communist group and create an uprising to topple the existing structure and make it an Indiana Jones movie because "oh, it's just a different iteration of the character".
This is an incredibly valid take on the films that I completely understand! It's wild how they try and justify this as a movie about the Joker
@@WholeShebangYT The sad thing is, you can't make authentic auteur cinema with a ready audience and existing characters of active megafranchises. Todd Philipps unfortunately tried to combine both, it seems, and failed.
Exactly what I expected, since the day of the annoncement 🥂
Moving making as an art stops when the market testing starts...or when the movie's budget is over 100m so far that seems to hold a little truth
Makes me wonder if the director was trying to make a bunch of Jokers irl because of the movie driving them mad.
The baby plotpoint was so pointless, the implied rape scene was pointless, everything in the movie was just pointless.
The main problem for me was that he died before he did any Joker shit
Like, he wasn't even the real joker, I guess?
I just pretend this movie doesn't exist and make my own sequel up in my mind
Part 1 was excellent
" . . . the magical lens that shot it is the mighty MasterBuilt ULTRA65 which is a dedicated glass to cover the enormous sensor of the Arri 65." imdm
Whole Shebang, you should watch Transformers One. The trailers do NOT do this movie justice. It's a perfect starting point for anyone who isn't into Transformers, and it'll make up for the travesty you just watched lol
I would say I am the most casual Transformers fan possible (Bumblebee 2018 is my GOAT) so I’ll make sure to check it out soon! I need a pallet cleanser lmao
@@WholeShebangYTYo Bumblebee 2018 is also my favorite Live Action Transformers movie lol.
I think my love of Jazz carry the movie for me lol. I go out thinking the movie was fine even if pointless and yes, a lot of the time I felt like the "musical" took so dang long.
Da comicbook king is back baby he neva miss we're eating good today y'all
It doesn't matter how good the film looks if the film fell apart & left me with my most disappointing cinema experience ever!!! There was so many possibilities set up throughout the film & they pissed them all away plus they destroyed the first film in the process . DC & Warner Brothers should be ashamed of themselves for putting this garbage on screen.
12:36 The newspaper in the movie shows Lee in a gcpd with a sign saying Harleen Francis Quinzel
Movie has a bit with Joker and Harley Show
Correct which means at one point they intended on calling her that, but it’s never spoken. They specifically avoid calling her by her name
I loved the animation at the start tbh. Best part of the movie, They could've just made that and nothing else.
YES I saw that and it tricked me into thinking I was about to see a classic for a second. Easily the best part that was so much fun
I don't want to defend this sequel, but there's a point you're missing. Even before the first one came out it was stated that this wasn't Batman's Joker, instead he was the man who the original Joker idolized, somehow people forgot that fact
I dunno if we're in front of the worst movie of the year, but it's a disappointing movie as this is a sequel nobody wanted, until the own Joaquin Phoenix didn't like Joker 2 either, while chatting with Gaga at a film festival.
Can't wait for the 4k 😊
Yep, it can F4K off ! lol
An erotic Joker would be wild 💀
Wait a second. Why couldn't the Joker have a great singing voice? Even Arthur Fleck could have been a failed lounge singer as one of his jobs to try and survive. So maybe in his mind, in his fantasies he has a great voice. Now would Joaquin let them dub his voice like they did in the old days? That 's the question.
Btw ... how is it that Aurhur Fleck can waltz like Fred Astair? But he can't sing?
This movie made me not want to see ANY future warner bros dc movie. This movie is a disrespect to fans of dc comic fans and fans of the first movie..and imo completely undermine the first movie making it pointless.. all the bad guys in this movie especially the guards never got their just dessert. It was nothing but abuse fantasy film like passion of the christ except arthur fleck
The jokier folie a deux is a equivalent on me on cocaine playing with my dc legos only for me to put the joker minifig in the shredder
Really enjoyed this video
The thing i cant quite get my head around is the budget for this film, the first film cost a quarter of what this film cost, the sequel cost $190 million dollars ! With only TWO locations, the courtroom and Arkham Asylum !...This is the craziest thing of all. Just imagine the film they could have made for that (or even two films) : Joker escapes from Arkham asylum and unleashes hell on the establishment becoming leader of the civil unrest group/rioters from the end of the first film and attacks those who have spawned/humiliated him while delving even deeper into his dark and twisted psychology and the meaning of his place in society. The social divide between those who follow and those who lead ; with Joker becoming a terrorist/freedom fighter paradox and cultural icon in the process. *What do we get* ? A monstrous F**K U to the fanbase of the original, an insult to audiences worldwide, a terrible script and film nobody wanted, lady ga ga, a pointless and needless musical, the Joker character raped and humiliated and he's NOT even the Joker anyway (possibly a symbol of what the film maker wanted to do to the audience). Its one of the worst sequels of all time from a film-maker who has committed commercial and career suicide. So " well done " Todd, I hope this crash and burn piss-weak excuse for a film was worth it.
For now this is the best review of this disappoint piece of cinema
The views about this movie is amazing. Most hate it but some think it's great. I haven seen either of them but now I'm. Really curious.
Yeah this movie was bad and garbage
I didn't even feel like watching this movie because I barely even liked the first one and judging by this review I made the right choice
Don't simp her character is pointless her moives are boring.
am i the only one feeling like there is some kind of a tinge of "corrective rape" or something, like all Joker needed was to really get it handed to him and finally he'd know true pain... that's not how criminal minds work. if anything it makes them more steadfast in their rage and hatred of the world. i feel Joker would have doubled down, not renounced himself after such a thing. i really didn't like that element of the film
Yeah I had a section on that I cut out because I didn’t think I was doing it justice and it’s a serious subject, but they straight up have that in there. That whole segment at the end really cemented this movie as a disaster for me bc it comes out of nowhere and feels so weird for what it implies
I've practically blocked that scene out of my mind, that was actually nuts, I have no idea what the purpose of it was
People keep saying there's rape,that's not what I saw at all
It just didn't happen wtf
@@mysryuza im pretty sure his pants were at his ankles too when they dragged him back to his cell
@@ammomusic5319mb I made a reply and realized I replied to the wrong person I’m so sorry. I made my original comment in response to someone saying that the rape didn’t happen.
It was the 2 joker follower that plan the bomb you know the one that help Arthur to escape
That's what I thought too *BUT* the dialogue in the scene upon a very legal rewatch makes it seem like he's shocked to see Arthur
I don't understand how the first movie represented "incels"? Then again I really don't think incels are a thing. It's just a newer cheap insult for a male's lack of masculinity like "virgin" once was. It's an updated version of virgin, that's it lol the first joker seemed more about mental illness and being abandoned by general society but what does any of that have to do with sex?
The 20 second teaser we saw where Arthur's laughing in the rain is that in the film? This part.. i doubt Todd and Joaquin care if this failed, they received millions and it's out of their hands after filming wrapped..smh.. Gaga wanted yo be called Lee,i don't think it was Todd. I don't know. I haven't seen it. Good, video cheers mate 👍🏻
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Thank you! Also that scene is in the movie for MUCH shorter, it's basically used as a transition for like 4 seconds
Yeah, sadly...
So you hated the first one…. And you hate this one. Doesn’t this prove that this movie is for no one to enjoy
Also if you want to see the “ Harley in power over joker” thing , play the telltale Batman games . They do it way better
You know that saying "Who was this made for?"...well we all know who this movie was made for WB ! $$$
#Cashgrab
I would like to be a little bit constructive and recommend Healthy alternative to this awful movie you could be watching inside transformers one is a really good jumping on point for new transformers fans can details the originals of Megatron and Optimus as well as the downfall of there friendship and the wild robot a movie i haven't seen yet but have heard nothing but good things about by DreamWorks please go watch these movies they could definitely use the support
Agreed this movie sucks 2/10
Its a great movie may I forgive your sins for being braindead.
At least the film was more narratively fulfilling than Deadpool and Wolverine, a film that was all over the place and felt like a parody of their own franchise, Joker 2 might be bad but it had something
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Was this your Joker moment
@@WholeShebangYT no, your content is just not good
@@westerling8436 If you think his "content is just not good" then why were you subbed to him in the first place lol?
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 I was getting a bj and not thinking straight
It's okay, I'm gonna subscribe because his content is very good.
Wahhh
anti incel rant definitely helped me picture how you look
Thank you?
@@WholeShebangYT soy wojack
@@Neet_loser and ur comment helped me picture how u look
What's bad about not embracing the fantastical nature of the world of DC? That was the point of the movie, to see how someone in a real grounded world would end up being that kind of figure like Joker, mentally. Not everything has to be a theme park for people who can only watch action movies. First one was great, it it wouldn't be it wouldn't have gotten so much love. Second one is bad, yes, but one can't truly rate or understand the second one without liking the first one
sure hun
You can absolutely rate a sequel even if you didn’t like the first, that should never invalidate someone’s opinion. Understanding is another thing, but honestly he makes a pretty good assessment aside from that one comment, and that’s not even what this whole review is hanging on (there is the whole tanget about Gotham not looking like Gotham, not respecting it, but honestly that isn’t “fantastical nature” just, the basic setting)
I mean if I want to watch a real movie...id just watch one? Plenty of great non superhero movies and if anything outside of maybe The Dark Knight i find realism in these movies kinda dull most of the time often with nothing to say or any reason for realism being necessary. If you don't want a comic book movie maybe watch something else?
@@IndecisiveJR what
@@lepersonnage371 You said whats bad about not embracing fantastical elements? There are significantly better movies that display or do what Joker does but infinitely better. Parasite, King of Comedy, Taxi Driver. If I want a movie void of all fantastical elements then what am I doing paying to see a DC or Marvel movie for? I’d just watch a real movie at that point real meaning characters that are actually just actors or actresses playing normal characters with no supernatural elements to them or heightened realities.
YOU Need to keep your opinions to yourself.i stop tell very body.let them find out for them selfs.daaaa.🥱🥱