Sources ⬇️ Like most German laws, there there are exceptions, like preventatively disabled children, children who are too ill, and there are even work-arounds for circus children. Also, this is a very big cultural difference, so please be kind as we learn from each other in the comments.
“No, no, we don’t forbid homeschooling because we’re trying to indoctrinate them. Quite the opposite, we just want to make sure they have a ‘high quality’ education.” Uhhh…
Another positive vote for being a child in a German school, or indeed being an adult is that you’re not likely to be killed in a mass shooting by some deranged nutter acting out a cowboy fantasy.
@@kungfoochicken08 lol whats the alternative? obviously homeschooling will just result in the parents brainwashing their kid. at least in public school they have a chance to meet many people, most work relies on social skills over knowledge anyways.
Tbh at the university of Texas, the smartest student were pretty much always the home schooled kids. Especially in physics, chemistry, mathematics. If your parents are smart with discipline, they can teach you 10x faster than at a school can. But you need smart parents.....
For real though. I met one who would sleep til noon expecting others to care for her 7 year old who couldn't even wipe his own a$$ because she refused to parent him. Big surprise cps gave him to his dad not long after.
@@doing_BS what some call "child abuse" some might call Discipline. Not all homeschooling leads to becoming an abused Hill Billy, as they would want you to think here
@@oscarbear7498 First child abuse is child abuse as defined by those who are creditable professionals. The definition isn’t that hard to comprehend. It isn’t a matter of opinion. Second no one mentioned “hillbillies”. Child abuse isn’t a matter of geographical or economical circumstances.
As a Swiss, I must say I've mostly heard of homeschooling as something done mostly by religious fanatics, paranoïd people and others who want to control their child's life and often have something to hide (like various forms of abuse they fear would be reported by a teacher)
Most often it is not that. I have 5 kids. 2"normal," 1 autistic, 2 with adhd. They learn better with multiple methods. They're also free to do additional activities(my main reason), one is a gymnast, one became involved in politics, one dance & does art, one swims & surfs. They're all different and by homeschooling I can ensure their individual needs and styles are met!! I use an online curriculum for math and reading. Then we do hands on science and extras(my 3 younger kids are elementary aged....the 2 older have graduated, one went to college. One got married after being accepted to college & deciding against it-her choice) We're not religious, not paranoid, I just enjoy my kids learning from more than just a book!!
@@tammiehinkle2040 yes some parents may do no harm to their children by homeschooling and their children have a lesser chance of getting shot. But allowing for homeschooling means that quite a few children will suffer from bad education, because many parents will abuse it. Of course, the US educational system is already quite bad, so, not much to lose there...
@Andreas I actually believe that the worst of the worst folks will just hide it, keep the kids in the basement/hidden. Just as is done now. We have many homeschooling friends, across 3 states, I have not met a single one that did not have their child's best interests at heart. Some utilized methods that I didn't necessarily agree with or wouldnt choose for my kiddos, but so do some private schools-lol If you look at the statistics, overall homeschooled kids tend to perform better on tests(SAT/ACT), in college, in life. There truly is a benefit to hands on learning one on one with a single teacher. Although I believe that most of those children would have outperformed their peers had they gone to public/private school-just because their parents would be involved no matter what. My 2 older kiddos actually attended "real school" for several years(charter, private, public, and magnet), maybe we were just spoiled by our Charlotte Mason charter school in Texas, but after moving away from there, everything changed for the worse. The pay per day attendance model made the schools crazy about attendance, only a "little sick"-still send them, better bring them right back after a Dr's appt, no stopping for lunch or a bit of fun!! No taking "mental health days" or any vacation time during the school year-even for educational experiences. Well, unless your family is "connected." Most everything is political and involves layers of beuaracracy. Then we have corrupt administration, we actually had a school principal apply for special needs services for my son, then kept the resources for herself(iPad, iTunes gift cards to purchase educational resources, and more-which we didnt know until after "the investigation"). To "get back at me" for complaining to the school board about her friend(another teacher)who was swearing at 3rd graders and I had it on tape(my daughters classroom), she refused to allow my son special ed reading(he is dyslexic), then kept my son out of a field trip in the in-school suspension room all day-due to a bad grade in the "normal" reading class-without telling me(keep in mind this is 1st grade and my son was a 27wk preemie with cerebral palsy, he had seizures and several other issues-so me not knowing where he was all day was also a big deal). We actually filed a complaint with OCR(office of civil rights) against that school district-and won. The principal, superintendent, and 5 teachers were all fired in the fall out from the investigation, we were offered additional educational services that we would never use. The principal ended up getting a divorce and killed her husband-my life was like a movie for a minute(Fillis McGhee, Huntsville AL if you care to look it up...back 10/15yrs ago) Aaaaaand that's before we get to the bullying that is often ignored by the administration-because admitting to bullying is a red mark against the school. Our final straw with public school was a bullying incident that left my son with broken ribs and a concussion when he was attacked by 5 other children at a magnet school(Louisiana). Magically, noone saw a thing despite no less than 8 adults being right there, 2 helped him after, then denied it later. My son was the one called to the office, they tried to convince him it didn't happen how it happened and that he didn't want to report anything-threatening that the school might close if he said anything and I filed a report or "made a big deal of it," the school was concerned that the incident would attract negative attention and there were also racial issues to be concerned with-per the school(the attackers were black, my son is multiracial, and I am white), this was not only bullying, this was racial bullying....he was in 2nd grade. My daughter started the same school 3wks prior to standardized testing(it was a year round school, which I loved)-she had the highest score in the county and top 10 for the state. So I'm not sure how much they could teach her(she was getting worksheets from the middle school teacher, done in her free time, just to challenge her a bit) However after the bullying, we were done. We entered the wide world of homeschooling and never looked back!! Is it possible that my kiddos are a bit "behind" in certain areas? Absolutely!! Is it possible that they will graduate with "holes" in their education? For sure!! However I believe that is true for all kids, even public school kids. Yet I know they are safe!! They're not being harassed or bullied!! They can follow their hearts and deep dive any/all things that peek their interests. They have tons of friends, far more and a far more diverse group than they would have in any school setting. We belong to homeschooling groups, we go on field trips, and all my children participate in a wide variety of activities all over the city(we live in LA, CA)!! While this is not what I planned for my or my children's lives, it's been one heck of a fun ride!! P.S. My autistic daughter(11-1/2), trains gymnastics 30+hrs/wk, something she could never do in a traditional school setting. She is an olympic hopeful with elite/olympic coaches. She also didn't read until 9, but was doing college/pro level electronic circuitry by 10(had to enlist engineers from hubs work to help her and check her work(hubs is a DoD materials engineering expert)-I was lost...shes since moved on to programming & a bit of art). In public school she would likely be separated, put into special ed, at home she is thriving in many areas at her own pace!! Life is good!! Sorry that was so long, likely more information than you ever wanted, however it highlights the issues with our educational system! My story is far from unique!
Anecdotally, all the homeschooled kids I met growing up lived in very extremist and oppressive households and had very little outside contact so they had zero opportunities to get help if they needed it.
That seems so odd to me. However I am sure it can happen. My children(&most people I know) are homeschooled to ensure they can do other things. My oldest did archeology/paleontology, my son did scouts & civil air patrol, #3 is a gymnast(she trains 32+hrs/wk), #4 has dance and art, #5 does swimming & surfing. They would not have the opportunity to do so much without being homeschooled. I cannot imagine homeschooling with nothing else going on!!
@@tammiehinkle2040 well guess what, it's more common than you'd think, so many abusive and neglectful parents homeschool,i didn't learn to read until i was nine because of it. just because you aren't abusive or don't know any abusive homeschooling parents, which i doubt you don't to be fully honest, doesn't mean that no parents who decide to homeschool aren't abusive or neglectful. And it's really easy because there's not much legal protections for homeschooled children, and if they are abused they often go undiscovered because there's no one to report that abuse, in the US at least.
Anecdotally, most the home educated kids I've known are very vocal, liberal children who are the first volunteer and are regularly out in the community from a young age. Also, home educated kids who actively choose to become school educated tend to be happier at school in my experience than the kids who go through the entire thing with no other choice. I've run discussion groups with high schoolers and it's one of the few stark differences.
@@Larsen_illustrations It varies a lot by state, and sometimes even by district in the state to the point that those who trying to get around any oversight tend to congregate in certain areas, which can make them seem much more the majority. There are home educators and adults who were home educated who've been trying to change the law to add in more protections, but there are also politicians who seem to milk that 'parents choice' button so much or love to make a large divide between school and home education to get people arguing with each other rather than seeing their BS that it's hard to get there. We can get better safeguarding for both, but like so much, it's become a political and financial game along with the significant issue that in many areas, the school system wouldn't survive if all home school kids went into school at once.
@aubrey_animations there are actually MANY people to report the abuse, doctors, neighbors, extra curricular coaches/teachers, other homeschool parents, etc. For me personally, there's not much I can hide since one is in a leo & the other a leo/tutu combo regularly. One of my daughters didn't learn to read until 9 either. She is now 11-1/2 and close to grade level(she should be at a 5th grade level & is at a 4th grade level). I promise she will be all caught up by adulthood. Not to mention that she was also doing electronic circuitry at an advanced level and gymnastics at a high level at this point as well. You can only add so much to the brain at once!! I truly don't consider that abusive! We worked on letters, we tried several programs, but she wasn't ready & I didn't push. The rule of thumb is not to worry until age 10(that's when you hire the tutor if it's still not coming). My son was even older-and in school. He finally learned when we started homeschooling & hired a tutor(the school was not helping him at all). I learned to read at 4, but hated it, resisted it until I was in my 20s. My oldest learned at 6, in school, but she had to read out loud & reading comprehension SUCKED until 12/14 when we went back to basics(as I was teaching the littles). Now she is good. Thing is, there is no "right age" and kids all go at their own pace-so much better for the kids!!!
@@abbeyblalock4178 it was never about the education at school but always about the education AT HOME. look at universities in US. tens of thousands for people to get drugs & drunk and sleep around building terrible habits that's only ensure devorce followed by a life of loneliness and misery. You education you kids st home, the the father , giving wisdom down through generations. That wisdom never changed, only way it's lost IS IF YOU FEED YOU CHILDREN TO THE GOVERNMENT. You turn your kids to mindless slaves to a system. Goals us independents of ALL powers. If not.... slavery , and if your forsaken kids want to change it to get back their freedom.... lots and lots of killing, bloodshed, war, just to get a bit of freedom back thiet idiot parents gave up in fear for more security 🙄 Cycle never ends,
Some countries in Europe allow homeschooling, but homeschooled children have to pass exams euch semester to ensure, that they actually lern and are on the right knowledge level. There are schools that specialise in honeschooling studens and offer trips and holliday camps, so that homeschooled children can socialise.
@@lauravalle3766 Many kids in public school are not proficient in Math or Reading either, so it’s not like their education is better. It just depends where you live. The US is a big country.
@@loganleroy8622 that is likely due to a myriad of factors including passing students who should not be passed, poor state funding, the way our schools are set up based on property taxes, and having inequitable school districts. Our state has mandated state testing and passing rules.
I went to school in germany, my parents which are not native did not know many things about it. So one day I got sick and that I was for a while, my mom didnt know that you had to communicate that. the school couldnt reach her so a couple of days later my classroom teacher and a policeman show up at our door to check up if I am fine. Honestly I think that is so good for the security of children. I can see how homeschooling is charming but I believe socialisation is such an important part of it.
I love this story in particular because it shows that you couldn't get away with abusing or locking up your child for long. There is always more than one person looking out for the kid and that is so important in the rare cases where the primary guardian doesn't fulfill their role.
@@steffenjensen422 I'm happy that my parents treated me good, but for how many children is that not the case? way too many sadly... so I'm glad there is such a system, especially in elementary school. Children deserve protection, even if that means from their parents.
I can’t imagine homeschooling parents can teach ALL the different subject on the same level as schools do. That shit is flippin difficult. I live in Romania btw.
I was homeschooled in Australia until grade 7, and my older siblings were until grade 10. We were all actually above level and ahead of our classmates. My brother and I both graduated early, in fact. I was 15 in grade 12! There are programs that parents can sign up for, that will send curriculum level texts, exercises and standard level tests. My parents also took my siblings and I to yearly assessments to make sure we weren't falling behind. This is at least how it worked in Australia, and this was also the early 2000s so things might be different. The way homeschooling works, in my experience, is the parents don't actually teach. They do a job more akin to teacher aiding. It's a much more independent form of study. My parents would make sure I stayed on topic, and would grade all my tests. If I was doing really well, I could get the next booklet early. If I was doing poorly, I would get an extra one on the same level to work through with more guidance until I did. I also had a lot of educational games to help me with maths and such, and they helped me get a lot faster and solving puzzles, recognising patterns and recalling and applying information. Some digital, but often just games that we would play outside. My favourite was like a big board game. If we got the answer right in the time limit, we moved forward. If not, we stayed put. I can't remember much else from it, but I do remember it being really fun and getting prizes from my mum if I won. I personally really enjoyed that form of study. I got to pace myself, and pick which subject I did when, but still had to do them all in a day. I could take as many breaks as I wanted, but if my work was not done, consequences were clear. The school day didn't end at 3pm. It ended when I finished my work. On a great day that could be as early as noon. On bad days I would be sent back to continue after dinner, and remaining work would carry over to the next day if not done by the time I went to bed. If it wasn't done by the weekend, I was grounded. No tech, no books, no friends, not allowed out with my pets. I sat inside and either cleaned the house, or finished my work. So I rarely left my work to the weekend! So it's not so much about parents having to teach every subject to the kids. Sure some parents might, but if you do it through a program the kids are given all they need through books, audio files, instructions for games and activities, etc. the parents just have to give it to the kids and motivate them to engage and learn. Which is the job of a teacher aid, not a teacher.
I was homeschooled by an incredibly unwell schizophrenic woman for 12 years. I basically wasn't allowed to go outside or have any friends because she'd throw a tantrum or start getting super aggressive. By 12 I had a 3rd grade understanding of math and ended up having to teach myself to get caught up to my peers. Also couldn't read a single thing until I was 9
@@jan-lukas Actually moving public schools is not that easy. You would have to move as well. Secondly on avarage homeschooled people perform better at tests than publically schooled children. Obviously this only is true in the US UK Spain and the other places where homeschool is available.
Is it extreme to teach your daughters to keep their legs closed until they are married? Public school in the US encourages moral depravity and assists kids in lying to their parents. Parents are supposed to pay all the bills but have no right to teach morals to their kids and enforce house rules and standards of behavior. Homeschooling is almost the only option. If public schools stopped filling kids heads with filth, that would be great.
@@christinebutler7630 To answer your question. Yes! Your daughter's sexuality is her own and long as she is an adult NOONE should pass judgement. As for the "filth" in your schools I can't really comment but only guess that it has something to do with 'Acceptance' 'being empathetic', 'Feminism'maybe or 'Critical thinking' giving them the ability to Reason for themselves. Am I in the ballpark ?
Freedom is not the same thing as extremism. Also, innocent until proven guilty. And most of people that have religion in their lives AREN'T the people going around taking other people's lives.
@@staceyschmidt3149 "And most of people that have religion in their lives AREN'T the people going around taking other people's lives." 🤔😱 what are you talking about? Ever had History Class, News?
The homeschooling parents who fear indoctrination are the ones who completely isolate their children from exposure to the diversity of teachers, classmates, and ideas that come from a school system. When homeschoolers say "I don't want the school indoctrinating my children," what they're really saying is "I want complete control over what ideas my children are exposed to." There's some irony there.
You do understand most homeschoolers join co-ops right? Homeschooling is preferred usually on the grounds of the fact that parents believe the school systems teaching don't align with their beliefs (most commonly religious). Which I don't see the issue with.
This is the same thing the Nazis did to education in Germany. They made sure only the Government did the educating. But Oh! I'm sure what happened before can't happen again. Besides I'm sure the government has the best interest of the kids at heart more than the parents.
Totally agree. Keeping your kids isolated that way is abusive. Not developing social skills, having an actual curriculum, and being around mandated reporters (who can regularly see that a child is healthy), is dangerous. “Joining a co-op,” which not all do, doesn’t negate having an over-reliance on one’s parents. Spending the entire day in the company of just your parent and maybe a couple siblings, for years, sounds maddening. If your religion makes you want to shelter your kid from “normal” society, then don’t have kids or get a new religion, because we all live in a society and that’s reality. Aside from the those who homeschool because of bullying, accessibility, etc, homeschool parents almost exclusively show really concerning control issues.
As a European it is so confusing to me that the country that makes kids ‘pledge allegiance to the flag’ is concerned about indoctrination in European schools. To me, this practice seems like a very toxic form of indoctrination which would never be accepted where I live (Nl). I probably have a very limited perspective on American schools, but it aways seems the level of indoctrination is high in the USA..
Something that's probably important to know about American schools is that they're run on the state level, not federal. So there are big differences between different states depending on the regional culture and wealth of the area. A lot of Appalachian states (roughly in the Southeastern US, where the Appalachian mountains are) are very poor, and have worse quality of schools because of it. The level of dogmatic patriotism depends a lot on where you are. Some schools do the pledge throughout all of schooling, some don't bother with it ever. Where I grew up, it was something we did in elementary school (age 5-11) but went away in middle school (11-14) and high school (14-18)
Concern about indoctrination is legitimate. Schools glorify the history of some groups whilst demonising others, that’s not okay and it creates feelings of superiority and resentment.
That makes sense though, it’s projection. If you’ve grown up in a reality where schools perform nationalistic brainwashing on the daily of course you’re going to have the baseline assumption that schools are both capable and willing to indoctrinate kids. But then because of the nationalism coursing through your brain you also think that the Europeans are going to be indoctrinating kids into bad foreign world views. Hell, they even think not making kids do the pledge of allegiance anymore are indoctrinating kids into bad foreign world views. The only way they can imagine schools existing is as propaganda machines.
As someone who transferred from a public state funded American school to an online school, there is a **serious** difference in what they're teaching children in the US. I've always been very aware of the biases and issues in the American education system because of a brother I shared a history obsession with. That history interest led to us discovering and learning on our own about very **very** different and less biased history that actually occurred. The pure nationalism and strong biases (in some cases, indoctrination) are demonstrated in how the school's history classes are mainly USA-based even if you're taking World History. They barely speak about human rights violations and SERIOUS SERIOUS issues that actually occured and favor a more "America saved everyone" sort of mentality. I learned more about the American Revolutionary War in school than I did about the entire world in school and that's seriously upsetting and concerning.
As a former homeschool kid, there are a few cases where it's good for the child- when the child asks for it specifically, for mental or physical health needs or safety- but for the vast majority of us, even those of us who weren't indoctrinated and actually given a good education, suffered a lot from homeschooling. They kept us cooped up and under their control all our lives and me and my siblings only got out when the eldest was 25 and youngest 19. And most of my homeschooled friends fared far, far worse.
That sucks, I hope you're doing alright. I was also home-schooled but lucky that it was good for me, so I appreciate you noticing it's not always for the worse, but it's important to make sure children are safe and not trapped
Public schools in Germany are used to ensure that kids are fed and not being abused. If you see a child every day, you can see whether they are healthy.
As someone who was almost exclusively homeschooled in the midwest, I can confirm I experienced nothing short of child abuse. I had almost 2 years of public school between ages 4-6. There was nothing in place to make sure we were receiving proper education, and the only form of testing I experienced was when I applied for my GED in place of a high school diploma at age 18. The lack of socializing was extremely detrimental to my development, not to mention the amount of domestic violence taking place, and that the environment resembled something from TLC's Hoarders. I understand my experience was bizarre and extreme, and it blows my mind how it was allowed to happen. It makes me wonder how many more kids have slipped through the cracks. I'm grateful that I was able to escape and create a better life for myself.
I'm homeschooled and in a lot of cases it's just bad parenting. I feel so bad for you and what happened to you. The homeschool system just needs to improve.
@Justin Knox agreed, when done right it's far superior compared to any American schools. I was also homeschooled in the Midwest, and also grew up in a rather hoarded house, and my parents are far from perfect, however, between how bad public schools are in this country and how great the homeschool partnerships I was involved in were (which is what most people don't realize. There's homeschool partnerships full of other homeschool kids, it's like school but in a much healthier environment with adaptive teaching styles) I wouldn't have it any other way. I grew up years ahead in math and reading and had a lot of time on my hands to just be a kid. Had I been in school any abuse I may have suffered growing up would've been more difficult to heal from or even made worse. I also was given the option to enroll in school if I wanted, and I did give it a try for one semester of high school, and I was done with it before the semester was over. I wouldn't copy my parent's style exactly but unless public schools become exceptional my future kids will be homeschooled too. Homeschooling can potentially be problematic but it doesn't deserve its bad rep and I'm tired of people making harsh assumptions of me and my peers because of it.
@@Rusapix when done right it is totally superior. But in my anecdotal experience, most people do not do it right. I think if social workers checked in more often, and there were classes and qualifications that parents had to go through in order to be qualified to do home schooling like public school, teachers have to be qualified then it would prevent some of these abusers from falling through because it would be too much work for them or they’re too stupid to get qualified. The majority of the people that I have met that have been homeschooled we’re done so because their parents were religious extremist and only one couple that I have ever met in my life that homeschooled and did it correctly and their child is a prodigy at practically everything.
As a success of homeschooling(just because of how bad our school system is) I agree the social aspect is also a serious issue. I am going to high school because my mom realized she couldn’t teach at that level, her main concern was the bullying at junior high though. I have though by choice only a few friends. My grades are great but my social life is nonexistent, I have very little human contact outside of school and 1 DnD session a week. I also have 2 friends that come over often. My schooling was only so good because I have lucky genetics and just luck and my mother cared about education. Also the only test for how well I was learning was when I tried to get into high school. That was the only test from the state I ever had up to that point.
I just wanted to say I appreciate that you display the tone you're using. I have ADHD and sometimes have difficultly figuring out if someone is serious or sarcastic.
@@leviking564 people with adhd can sometimes have trouble picking up on social cues and understanding the tone. Similarly to autistic people, people with adhd can also take things too literally and struggle with understanding facial expressions. Furthermore, rejection sensitive dysphoria can make them interpret a non-hostile message as hostile, especially if it's said through text. Hope that helped!!! /nm /g
@@leviking564 People with ADHD can have a variety of social and pragmatic language deficits. Like difficulty understanding contextual clues, and intentions behind body language and facial cues. -Carol Westby (Recognizing Sarcasm by Students w ADHD, 2019) ADHD differs among people, but it is what it is, even if we don't know why🤷
formerly homeschooled american kid and tbh i completely agree. while homeschooling can be helpful for kids who need personalized teaching, there's no good way to actually verify that a kid is getting a good education, and not having access to peers and adults outside of the home can be hellish to your mental health. additionally, abuse is way more likely to go unnoticed.
Doing distance education (all school is done online) has made such a difference in my life. For the last three years of highschool I have been able to put so much more effort and time and energy not into my school work but also activities outside of school because that energy is no longer spent on me trying to survive in an on campus school environment. My disability made being on campus so difficult I ended up severely depressed. I understand culture is different here in Australia and in other different countries and that in Germany there are exceptions which is good, but just remember that there are now many forms of homeschooling and that for some kids like me it may just mean the difference between barely surviving and actually thriving. I knits get to enjoy the things that I love again which means I more actually socialise more now than when I physically went to school.
I’d argue that this isn’t really homeschooling in the traditional sense where your parents usually do all the teaching. You still had proper teachers teaching you. The problem in America is that it’s often moms from highly religious households who have a poor grip on the basics to begin with trying to teach their kids. It’s highly unregulated in most of America. While you do get exceptions, the norm means kids get left behind.
I was homeschooled most of my school career cause I kept getting abusive teachers who couldn't deal with my ADHD but here in South Africa there are homeschool groups that do activities together all the time so we where social it ended up being a way better experience for me
There's a law that allows you to pick your school. My parents had some problems with a teacher in the local school and my brother's and I went to a different one because of it. Here in the city there are schools that specializes in different needs and if all that is not an option (maybe because you live in a rural area) you can get a special aid paid for by the state that is with your kid during their school day. Also there are things like Vertrauenslehrer (trust teachers) and a student representative that can help with stuff like that (thou that's probably better with older students). I think they actually try to do it right. I'm not going to pretend bad stuff doesn't happen in our schools and some kids might have been better of being home schooled but I think the amount of kids worst of at home would have been bigger.
@@MrSophire It's my understanding that public schools in the us get their funding though the taxes payed by the people living close by. If I got that right I get why you can't just switch districts however it's problematic on so many levels, especially with how strong the financial and racele division in living areas is
Education is no excuse boo boo, you in your fat hand have the WORLDS KNOWLEDGE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS. Get some discipline and self worth and teach that to your kids, so their not idiots paying $50k for an education they could have gotten for free online in less than a year with discipline. Get some accountability, stop blaming the government 😤.
@@blair583 That's even more sad if it was true. Which means that parents without any education / experience as teachers , as you say perform better as teachers than your teachers. Ether your schools are so bad that everyone that just has children can do it better, or the standards are so low for the kids to perform "well" that if they learn *ANYTHING* useful it's better.
@@blair583 "That would make sense if children that are homeschooled did not our perform kids in public school and have a higher rate of completing college." Citations to the research showing please.
Wow that’s pretty interesting. I was lucky my parents found a good homeschooling curriculum that better prepared me for college than what was in the local public school offerings. but I can def see this being an issue. After I went off to college my mother went back to working and would get so het up about the “homeschooled” kids she met who were literally just filling out papers to make it look like they were studying because she feared they weren’t learning anything.
As an elementary schooler my family went on vacation from the US to Germany, and we met those airport police lol! They were very suspicious as to why I was traveling during a time that wasn’t a holiday break. Also, lots of people we met there were disapproving of us traveling during the school year haha!
I had to laugh so hard, "It's no joke here!" 😂😂 Yes, that's true, it isn't. And regarding "indoctrination": It's made sure students in Germany get taught (mostly even several times) about WW2 etc. during their school career. They often even visit old concentration camps. This is one of the topics taken very serious here. Same with environmental protection and sex education.
"Fun fact": The indoctrination during the National Socialist era was also specifically fueled by the school system. So there are always two sides of a coin. And still, our school system has an indoctrinating effect, especially regarding the religious part. This is why I think it should be replaced by ethics. Also, sex education is not really at it's best. Especially regarding "modern" paradigms, requirements and dangers.
@@amerubix185 but that's the whole point of it, that nowadays the indocrination doesn't happen anymore. As far as I know, you have a choice of wether or not to go to religion class, at least in Evangelical states. Dunno about the chatolic ones.
@@OperaticEnigmatic that's the same everywhere, because there are no evangelical or Catholic states. Well, legally not. You always have to attend some form of religious education, but you also always have the option to go for a general ethics course instead, with some states only offering ethics
@@OperaticEnigmatic The whole point is that enforced school education is always open for indoctrination. And indoctrination still takes place. All over the world. In some places it's political indoctrination, in others religious indoctrination and in some both. Also in many other aspects of life. No matter if it's work or finances or morals or all together. The whole point is that most of the people do not even recognise how indoctrinated they are from their school education. Some notice it at least in their professional life when they realise that hard work has nothing to do with making money. And believing that one will necessarily be rewarded for hard and good work is precisely one of these misindoctrinations fueled by school education. In truth, quite different factors play a much more significant role. But in school you were taught different. And surprise, surprise - if you trace the whole thing back to its origin - many of such misconceptions derive from religious believes. Even if you consider yourself an atheist. Religious concepts like the calvinist work ethic are so deeply engraved into our belief system that nobody recognises where our common world view concerning work and making money derives from. And by the way, that's all indoctrination is about. That it infiltrates your mind in a way that you do not question where your opinions and supposed truths stem from and if they are valid at all.
As a US homeschooling mom - I wish our schools were as well-funded and safe as German schools. Between school shootings, anti-intellectualism, and insufficient support for learning disabilities like ADHD, and even lack of flexibility for gifted kids... In our case, homeschooling is the better option. (Yes, my child gets outside social interaction through things like Cub Scouts.)
Also a homeschooling ND child with ADHD..public school setting was killing my child's spirit and I could already tell by 1st grade he was gonna be labeled the "bad child " bc it's hard for him to sit still, focus, complete assignments or finish tasks. And I wasn't gonna loose him to the system.
@@victorialafawn123 no, it's not a learning disability. but schools are loud and the sensory overload alone would left me utterly exhausted and without any energy for doing anything else except attending school. usually we are slow learners too. not because we lack some IQ points but because we have already forgot the question after reading them and have reread them multiple times before we are able to write down an answer and there are always missed parts if the question had multiple parts. this means also a lot of rereading the same page over and over again because you constantly space out and almost every noise will jerk you out from your focus flow and you will need longer to get back into the work flow compared to the folks without adhd. every interruption costs you more time to get things done but you still have the same amount of hours in the day. that's when we start falling behind. also another measure for IQ is how much work you can get done in a certain amount of time (the reason why exams are usually timed the way they are. some last 1.5 hours, some 2h, some 2.5 hours) and that's when it starts looking as if adhd people have a learning disability. being properly medicated means that our memory improves, our ability to initiate tasks/switch tasks/get back to an interrupted tasks improves too and the 'learning disability' improves too. that's why it's not a learning disability (because those don't improve with meds) but an adhd disability which needs accommodations too (medicated or not. meds don't cure all symptoms) and some schools don't provide any. If you have adhd and wanna aducate people on why adhd is not a learning disability, the reasons why it's not one are important instead of just saying 'it's not'. also it's important to explain why accommodations are still needed because if adhd isn't a learning disability, why do we need accommodations? like it sucks being viewed/treated as intellectually impaired because people assume adhd impacts your intelligence, but it also sucks when people don't understand/deny you accommodations because adhd people are normally distributed on the IQ spectrum, so why need them?
You sound like a great mom and your points are valid. However, I have seen many homeschooled, where they are ultra awkward and have limited social skills. They also tend to have extremely religious parents, who use homeschooling as a way to ensure their children aren’t exposed to alternate views. It really quite sad.
Bruh. School in Germany tends to be better than in the US in general. But it really depends on the Bundesland (kind of "State") and our school system is capitalistic and old-fashioned as fuck
Ah, the benefits of having an educational system, that doesn’t want to constantly screw you over, and that actually provides a beneficial educational environment.
As a teacher in germany i can say that sometimes we let children leave school a day or two befpre the official holiday starts so that they can fly to see family that lives far away etc. Having polica explicitly looking for children at the airport can't be true. I have never heard of that. Greetings, a primary school teacher from Berlin
I'm from Bavaria. I wasn't even allowed to miss one day of school to travel to the funeral of a good friend of my family in another Bundesland back in the days. My mum just wrote a note I was sick that day and they couldn't do anything, but Bavaria is really veeeeery strict.
I feel it's one extreme to another. In Australia, home schooling is just 'you're at home and qualified teachers are in contact with you at all times during that period.' The parents job is just to make sure the kids are logging on.
I'm Australian and this is not homeschooling. We have a legal and formal homeschooling system where parents register and submit reports each year. This is different to when our kids just attend regular school from home (virtually like via zoom). We also have other types of homeschooling systems like the old school of the air (via radio for kids on remote stations).
You mean like covid times? I mean it's an option if in person school is not accessible due to some reason, but it has a huge toll on the development of the child. Just look at the covid generation.
Remote schooling (by radio, plane, satellite, and internet) is not home schooling. Its enrolled education that had to be modified to fit exeptional remote locations. Then there is home schooling, which is also very regulated to ensure that children are receiving broard education in line with there peers. Neither one of these to be conflated with COVID education modifications.
I was homeschooled until 6th grade, at which point the recession got bad enough that my mom had to get a full time job along with my dad to make ends meet. I can say confidently that homeschooling is far from child abuse, and only becomes that if the parents are going to be abusive anyway. And I learned far better being homeschooled than I did in public school. We were part of a homeschool group, which allowed us to socialize very easily. Heck, the looser schedule meant we could go do things with friends at times and on days when it wasn’t possible to do so in public school. The homeschool group also involved extra curricular activities, group classes, both actual subjects and just general enrichment such as automotive care classes for teens about to get their license. Real homeschooling has regulations on it requiring that you teach certain curriculum. Most of the people’s stories here are their parents just lying to regulatory bodies about either not having kids or the quality of the education they are providing.
I was homeschooled for 5-6 years, and I would not give it up for the world. I am now a junior in college with a 4.0. that said, my mother was the exception, not the rule. She worked very hard to help us learn from all perspectives and had us participate in a number of outside activities/field trips. It is not right for all folxs, but I think it was right for me.
Actually that is honestly more the rule than the exception, at least from what I know as a homeschooling mama. Most of us are trying to make sure our kids have experiences & knowledge beyond ourselves
@@tammiehinkle2040 15% The percentage of students who scored Proficient or Advanced on the state standardized math exam. That was taken from the public school site in the city I am from Literally 85% of students in that school district are not proficient in math. Kudos to all home school families out there that won't do that to their child.
I decided to homeschool my kids (with professional tutors) because our local school system was dramatically underperforming. 2 weeks after pulling them out, there was a shooting in my eldest child's school with multiple fatalities. Having looked at German schools, I would 100% send my kids to a German public school. America does not take education of any kind seriously.
Its normal because US has Bad Weapon Rules ... welcome to the Land with many many many Dead Kids ... Come to Europe , your Kids will never been in Danger anymore
Oh we do but there is little we can do about it when the schools are corrupt. People who think homes school should be outlawed should have their kids shipped to school in someplace like the hood in Chicago, L.A.or any large city. They mostly are unable to educate at all and no amount of money or political effort can change that Most schools aren't bad but the rot flows down hill
Yes! It needs to be illegal in the US too. So many child death cases happen bc parents were allowed to pull their child out of school, no questions asked, when teachers started noticing abuse.
My friend who was home school in some way just decided to cram a lot of stuff into a few years and now she’s not even 18 and in college she’d still be in high school rn
I absolutely love that- I really wish the US adopted this attitude about children having equal access to a high quality education. I’ll never understand why it’s okay for the quality of a child’s education in the states to be solely determined by the income of their parents. But I’m happy for you and your son!
Equality of opportunity is indeed much better in Germany, but unfortunately that still does not mean equal access to high quality education. Exclusive private schools are still reserved for those with high income parents.
@@amerubix185 private schools. At least the kinds of private schools. Because the mental imagine I get from "private school" in Germany is either something like a Catholic private school, or something like monte sori that's... Interesting but doesn't exactly scream "super elite education" to me)
@@anna-flora999 At least that's not the picture I get from Phorms, St. Georges, Salem, WHU, Bucerius, ESCP etc. So they must be the other half. ;-) Not to mention parents who are financially well off enough to send their offspring to Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard or MIT. ;-)
As a mother who homeschools her old oldest son I can 100 percent see where homeschooling could go wrong. Although there are some cases where it must be down to ensure the safety of your children, my son that is homeschooled was very anxious all the time and said he was bullied and tried to hurt himself several times. I ether had to take him out or to risk it and potentially end up in the E.R with him. He had done much better being homeschooled and is much happier. I know the dangers of homeschool for some families like extremism and abuse.
I was once allowed to go on vacation early and it was such a cool experience. We had everything ready to show to the police that we had actually gotten permission and everything. It felt like we were in a movie lol
Oh ok I just assumed there were no exceptions there and thought that sounded ridiculously excessive. Like they were barring all families from taking vacations during the school year lol
Having to get your family vacation approved by the police is terrifying. We may have some issues to sort out in the American public education system, but that seems tyrannical and extreme.
@@virginianielsen3480 Well there are holidays, you're just not usually allowed to go outside of those times. After all, we do have a study obligation when we're underaged
@@aimeedouglas1584 It's not. Nothing bad will happen. If it's unapproved and you're skipping classes, you will simply be sent back home. It's like skipping work as an adult is prohibited. For children, school is obligated and I think that's a good thing🤷♀️
@@stormpetrel5645 law enforcement checking on a child who has been missing from school for an extended time or who has had frequent unexcused absences (no reason provided by parents, such as an extended illness or family emergency) is one thing, and is actually common in the US. Law enforcement stopping families at the airport who have chosen for their child to miss a day or two of school for a family trip, is something entirely different and should not be part of a free society.
As someone who was homeschooled for their 10th grade and 12th grade years I can say homeschooling was the much better option for me personally. School just caused my depression and anxiety to worsen and I was able to actually learn while homeschooling instead of mindless memorisation. Of course it isn't for everyone and thankfully my parents weren't trying to indoctrinat me or anything like thay but just genuinely cared for my mental wellbeing
I am glad that it worked out well for you and many others. However, any random parent is not likely to be as good at teaching ALL subjects at ALL schooling levels as a big team of trained professionals.
@@ignorasmus there is tons of help for homeschooling parents these days...we literally have the holy grail of knowledge at our finger tips as we speak.
@@ignorasmus as someone who was homeschooled you get the curriculum fully curated there are a few different places that do it but mine was through Cambridge. Here in South Africa we don't have teachers for the different subject your in the same class with the same teacher all day. I started homeschool around grade 3 and though at first I needed parental guidance the books are structured in a way that you can basically just teach yourself it tells you which subject to study on which days and the subject books will have pop quizzes and inform you when a big test is coming up my mom also had all of the answer books so she basically just oversaw our tests when we came to them and marked it from the book you don't need to be smart to homeschool you just need to get the right schooling system and be able to read also here in South Africa there are homeschooling groups with other moms who do it that come together to discuss how things are going and to let the kids socialise I'm not sure if it's different in America but I was able to complete school just fine without dealing with abusive teachers which I got 3 times in the time between preschool and grade three
I'm glad you got was worked for you. I would still recommend against it in most cases but If homeschooling was a rare option people in your position should get it
As someone who homeschools, I can definitely see both sides of the fence. We don't homeschool for religious but rather mental health reasons, when we noticed an uptick in my kid's mental health during lockdown. She has flourished and to quote "I don't feel stupid learning any more.". She's also more social, had more hands on experience, and in general a happier person so much so her ped. has even said he'd like her to continue. I can definitely see where homeschooling can lead to abuse and lack of education, in extreme instances, however, I feel it's less the norm, than the rule it is made out to be. I see more often where it leads to opportunities for those who falter in our US system, and often hear stories of kids falling through the cracks, being rushed through without comprehension, no or lacking accommodations, etc. In regard to getting a quality education, so far the college admissions staff have been great about giving us information about what their requirements are for homeschool kids and what they're looking for as far as students. It's definitely an option and the end goal for our kiddo, but it's much like every other kid graduating traditionally all about life choices and what you choose to work toward. I would imagine there are more opportunities for support for kids who struggle, have mental health needs, etc. In Germany opposed to the states as well.
Beautifully put. There are definitely families homeschooling for concerning reasons. That does not mean that all of us are. My 4 children are homeschooled and I’m so glad that I am able to take the time to make sure they truly understand what they are being taught so that they have a firm educational foundation to take into their adult lives. We also get to travel more, play outside more, make friends of all ages and cultures, learn important non-academic life skills, and spend more time together as a family. There are so many benefits and the drawbacks are easily dealt with by parents who care enough to see them and correct them. I do also support greater oversight of homeschooling families, to ensure safety and quality of education.
Indeed beautifully put. I think there is even more than these two options. Why not have a more flexible education system in general. Ideally combined with some kind of child care. A lot of children suffer from struggles of all kind at home and often enough these are also the children that are bullied at school. So there has to be a third option. Why not a programme that takes individual needs into account. This is one reason why I would prefer a modular school system that allows children and young adults to have more options on their own. So, if you suffer from a certain illness that makes you tired until late in the morning, you can choose a later module or if your bully attends a certain module you can choose another one. Ideally, you could also reduce the number modules in stressful times and catch up later on without the need to repeat the whole year. I guess this is how it works in the US anyway, in Germany you have to repeat the whole year if you just fail in two subjects. Apart from the nonsensical fact that this way one has to repeat all subjects, even the successful ones, it is also highly stigmatising. All the worse when things are not exactly harmonious at home either.
Yes it's hard to know what we'd do in other countries. We're in the UK and the state funded schools are pretty terrible particularly if you have children with any kind of mental/physical issues or learning disabilities. They're failing kids and nothing is being done about it other than they get more prison like. I'm sure I would have made different choices in a different environment though.
It should probably be mentioned that there are special cases where a child can get homeschooling - if they‘re sick, for example or have severe mental health problems-but they still have to pass exams and there‘s a lot of regulation. I think it‘s less that people think that „bad“ homeschooling is the rule, and more that the few exceptions can end up really destroying children‘s lives, since it can be easier to hide abuse or just force your children to work in the family business instead of giving them the choice. So although I‘m not completely against it, I do think it should be regulated quite strictly, just to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Sadly not every school in Germany is prepared to deal with the mental health problems of its students adequately. In fact my old school seemed to be creating them. When I was in 10th grade it felt like half of my year was mentally ill and those of my friends who had been hospitalized for their mental health issues said, that even the therapists there said that students from our school were making up an abnormally large portion of their patients. There was a lot of pressure to perform on students and Covid only made things worse, because the school was not prepared for homeschooling at all and the quality of lessons we got during quarantine varied greatly. I don't think these issues are country-wide. I can't say if it's being in Saxony, being in our particular towns or just our extremely incompetent headmistress that made the school so shitty for the mental health of its students. I changed schools at the beginning of 11th grade and am now in 12th grade. I am still not sure if I made the right descision, because there were still things that were good about that school and of course a lot of my friends are still there. There is hope though: from what I've heard from a friend who still goes there things are finally changing for the better with more young teachers coming in and switching things up and the school FINALLY getting its own social worker.
Wow. Did not know this! I wish our public school system here in the US were better funded and more respected. It is the backbone of a civilized and educated society.
@@inigoromon1937 - Majority of children form the public school fail reading tests and math while home-schooled kids fair better, but at least they can tel you about all the genders.
Traditional schools in the US have proven to be extremely detrimental to a child's social skills due to clique culture and rampant bullying. Homeschooling (in the US, I don't know what it's like elsewhere but this is from studies in the US) has proven to actually improve social skills, because there are other ways to learn social skills other than school, plus the US school system is extremely behind in education standards, and homeschooled children here actually do a lot better, and have an Education plan geared towards their needs to they flourish. I think all of this says more about the US' failing school system than homeschooling as a whole
This is the one thing I'm not so into about Germany. I was homeschooled in the U.S., and the flexibility and freedom to develop love of learning and go at my own pace (which was quick), rather than being trapped in a public school was really good for my academic development as well as being more mentally and emotionally healthy and mature. My transition to college two years ago was much smoother than most of my peers. I realize my experience is rather unique, and others have had really bad homeschool experiences. It does seem a shame to totally prevent this opportunity, though. And not letting kids take a day off right before vacation? That's harsh
In Germany they have multiple 1-2 week school breaks in addition to 6 weeks in the summer meaning taking an extra day really isn‘t necessary. Honestly it never feels too long until a break anyhow. I went to school in both countries.
There are so called Waldorfschulen or “Gymnasium” that. Kids who need a free approach to learning can go to the walddorfschule (although it is a rather criticised topic in Germany, some schools are great, others indoctrinate) and the gymnasium allows for fast learner to receive a more complicated and advanced education that leads to a university career. So there are technically enough options that make home schooling obsolete.
In Europe, bullying is quite literally illegal. Like...it's a crime, you can sue your bullies, the parents will get fined a hefty amount and you'll be eligible for compensation.
@@pandamilkshake well yeah but most people don’t sue, in my school in the case that reached the furthest (not because its seriousness but because it became well known) they ALMOST sued, ALMOST. Whereas in literally all the other cases like mine, not even 1 teacher tried to help. You also need to take into account that, depending on the age of the children, they may not even know that suing is an option (or even not know what suing is, I surely didn’t) and if adults don’t help them then nothing happens. I’ve seen news articles about bullying cases that sadly end with suicide where the school says that it wasn’t a bullying case because they had 0 bullying reports about it, as if that mattered. (I’m European)
Yeah its actually illegal here in the US too, and it also almost never gets punished for the same reasons sexual assault doesnt. Most of the cases that end up with charges are ones where the victim actually commits suicide or other self harm that ends them in a hospital
Or all the kids and teachers that claim to be super woke and tolerant and accepting that in the same breath sit by and watch students get bullied to the point of suicide. Yea no thanks.
Exactly. My 2 homeschooled grandsons have never had to hide during a mass shooter drill. My daughter is not religious or political and both boys are ahead of their peers in public school. They also get sick less and have never had head lice....if they lived in Germany they may not be homeschooled, but they're not so....
I was homeschooled as achild, and while I DO know some people who did very well, it left me very unprepared for my chosen field in college :( I had to do a lot of extra work and studying to catch up to my peers and get where I am-I don’t disagree with homeschooling, I would gladly homeschool my children in the US school system (especially with MULTIPLE school shootings in my area just within the past year), but there MUST be stricter protocols for what you need to teach your children and to prevent them from being isolated.
Homeschooling can absolutely be misused, but it can also be life saving. My nuerodivergencies made school completely inaccessible (and often actively hostile) to me, and I don't know if I would have even survived this long if I had been made to keep going. There's got to be a way to regulate homeschooling that would maximize its advantages and minimize the potential for abuse.
Well in Germany we have special schools for a lot of things that are payed by the government and pretty big support opportunities in local schools. Also Doctors can ofcourse lift the mandatory school law.
Actually, when there is no way to go to school, I'm pretty sure homeschooling is allowed. But you have to show somehow that there is no way, your child can go to school.
As a neurodivergent person I also struggled with the same difficulties when I went to public school. I'm so glad that I had the experience of homeschooling and it really helped me thrive. It's not all bad
Honestly, as someone who grew up homeschooled-I’m all for this. I agree that homeschooling can be a form of child abuse. I think it’s disgusting how little regard the US holds for public education and how lax the homeschooling laws are. So many kids fall through the cracks. It’s scary.
I totally agree with your concerns. On the other hand as someone who grew up in the German system I am also not "all for this". As I mentioned before here in the comments, I think a mixture of both would be best since enforced state schooling can lead to abuse, too. This is why I think the German system should allow more flexibility as well as systems that allow home schooling should guarantee a minimum level of educational quality and ensure that no child is isolated, abused or indoctrinated at home.
Homeschooling needs a curriculum. If it doesn't have one, it's practically child abuse. But curriculum based homeschooling with opportunities of social interaction does quite well from my experience
@@teddysmith8725 This is possible in Czech Republic, homeschoolers have to follow the same curriculum as schools (there is a national overall concept and various sub-types with a bit different focuses and each school has to apply one of those), from what I remember each year they have to present what they were studying and every two years they have to prove they followed the curriculum by sort of exams in their schools. Also parents have to have a certain level of education themselves (or find a warrantor who has and is then legally responsible with them). Homeschooling has to be approved by the school (but there are known schools that are more welcoming and supporting homeschoolers than common schools, incl. materials and online or personal consultations). If you fail as a parent to present you taught them enough, the approval is cancelled and you cannot homeschool again.
@@carnifaxx I like this. It's seems much better than Germany's system. Some students just need the flexibility that homeschooling offers and it sounds like your system offers that without compromising learning. As an aside, does the Czech Republic offer gaming focused specialized schools? I believe Sweden does, so I was curious
@@teddysmith8725 probably not, is this even true in Sweden? (If so, I'm just quickly packing my children and moving to Sweden immediately :D ) There are only high schools focused on programming, as far as I know.
I was home schooled until middle school. In middle school I was heavily bullied, groped, sexually harassed and jumped and beat up. In high school I was so confused by the fact that all the focus was on social status and so little focus on learning. I got straight A’s all through college…despite the fact that everything I learned beforehand was during my home school years. I think I learned a little from one single AP writing class my junior year in high school, but most of my public school years were completely wasted. My parents only mistake was not continuing to home school me all the way thru twelfth.
I had a similar story, but backwords: I started in a public school, but from all the bulling and assult I had to be home-schooled. Othervise, I wouldn't make it. I understand that many use it for bad, but it could save lifes, like it did with mine, so...
I was homeschooled from 4th to 12th grade and I'm grateful I was. But my parents weren't fanatics or abusive, and I was responsible for my own education, so I was very fortunate.
Safety is the excuse people in the U.S. give for homeschooling, but it's really to ensure their children don't learn to think for themselves or get ideas that don't align with their parents.
Nope -it’s because public school is 90% wasted time and dealing with bullying. If you’re above average intelligence your talents are completely wasted in favor of the average. I went to public school through 7th grade and it was an absolute nightmare. My mom took me out to homeschool me, I graduated from High School at age 15 and years later I have a Masters of Science from the University of Michigan. American public school can suck it.
@@scottlemiere2024That’s a bit of an unfair argument. While it is obvious that many religious fanatics homeschool their children to indoctrinate their children, I can’t help but think of those doing it for other reasons. If I had a child right now, I would be very wary sending them to a public school, considering dozens of innocent children die from gun violence at public schools.
The local school growing up had gangs and a massive drug problem. I went to a private scbool on scholarship. All my childhood friends are dead, single mothers with multiple overdoses who's parents are taking care of their kids, absent fathers, drowning in gambling debts, 3 plus divorces, or some are homeless. The public school was the determining factor. The kids who didn't go avoided so much suffering. Public school is a way to promote culture and norms. Germany had to reprogram after WWII which is one of the reasons they pushed everyone going Public school. There would be more Nazis if they homeschooled their children and kept their ideas and never learned anything else.
I was home schooled because my mom didn't trust schools since she had friends kidnapped from school and experienced alot of bullying as a kid. I did online for all of high school but my middle schooling was done through her and a teacher she hired to do testing for us. I always had friends, I always was about a B average, I learned cursive for 3 years and absolutely love learning and reading despite not knowing I was dyslexic till after I graduated
@@anamm3351 You're saying that there's a difference between the experiences of different people? That's the difference between allowing individual choice, or mandating buy force of state that everybody have homeschooling. Oh, nobody is advocating that public school be banned? It turns out that she's advocating that despite some people have different experiences, that all homeschooling be banned, with the state's police force enforcing that the individual has no say in the matter.
@@just83542 Homeschooling more often then not doesn't have good results. Either children turn out extremist because the lack of outside views or often it's used to hide abuse in the household. Allowing homeschooling isn't the answer to a lot of these issues, it's to do more about bullying.
@@plzleavemealone9660 Please stop spewing myths regurgitated to create a false image of homeschooling. In my country homeschooling is regulated in that children must hit markers and milestones through provincial testing of their learning. My kids learned more in three months than they did in a year of wasting their day sitting at a desk, their three hours a day of actual education they received in conventional schooling was stretched out over seven hours to make sure the parents had a babysitter for their kids while they worked. That’s not what conventional schooling is meant to be, but that is one of the things it is used for. Our homeschooling association had more supports and opportunities for our kids than conventional schooling did, and the kids excelled. You pushing lies and generalizations - something you should have learned not to do if you were taught logical reasoning and how to research in school - does not help matters any and displays your ignorance.
In my semi-rural area of the US, homeschooling and co-ops are very common due to the poor quality of public schools. All the people I know who homeschool take it very seriously and have an educated parent stay home with the child for one-on-one teaching and support for their education. They are also part of a co-op for daily socialization with kids their own age, and have their child do regular exams overlooked by qualified teachers to ensure their child is progressing and on track with where they should be. I plan to homeschool my child when he's older since all the private schools are religious and the public schools are unsafe and of poor quality.
Yes, the comparison Germany - USA is not really fair in that respect. Germany is an extremely densely populated country, which makes it easier to provide better infrastructure and public school system. That is not directly translatable to US Geography
Outside of one friend, everyone I've known who's been homeschooled has been in an extremely religious or abusive household. The one friend was homeschooled bc they have very bad social anxiety and were bullied in elementary bc they're on the spectrum, their parents are great and did what they needed for my friend's safety. I was homeschooled my 8th grade year bc my mom found a journal where I discussed possibly being queer. She thought my friends were a bad influence. I was back in school by freshman year lmao my ass tried to kms like twice. Shits horrible!! So isolating if your parent isn't dedicated to getting you socialized and even worse if they're abusive. I had nobody for a whole year :/
Oh my god thats awful. Ik im just a random but im so sorry; thats also a particularly rough age to be isolated. And like, whether you are or arent, thats super normal to question that shit when your 13/14. My friend in HS had the axavt same thing where her mum found her diary where she talked about liking girls, and her mum made ger watch lez adult content screaming "is this what you want!!?". She was like yeah lol kinda. Mums who wanna control every aspect of their teen daughters lives are fkn nuts.
My best friend growing up in Germany was very ill, and it took nearly 6 months for us to help her get homeschooling approved access even then it was fine by teachers, not the parent.
In Germany education is mandatory between 6 and 16. There are a lot of countries, where a bit more education would not be a bad thing. There is channel of an US couple that moved to here. He is an engineer and was open-mouthed find his son making math stuff he first saw in college.
American homechool mom here: I actually homeschool so that my kids get a better education. My son is on the spectrum, so it allows for sensory breaks and a routine for him. It also allows for extra focus on things he struggles with and to let him work on the higher level things that he excels at. He also gets to do OT during the day (those are easier spots to take). My daughter is advanced. She will be starting running start this year. We do a lot of activities and a class for each of them at a private school for socializing. I'm not a religious extremist. I believe in evolution and science, etc. It was just what is best for us. A lot of the moms I know through homeschool are like me. Just doing what will work best for their kids. Some had been public schoolers until the lockdowns. The whole thing traumatized so many kids that they homeschool so that they can do therapy.
As an American working in Germany, there seems to be a loophole. A former church lady, who's German, seems to get away with homeschooling since she's married to an American. Her reason for homeschooling is because she "doesn't want her kids being influenced by the world." That's cryptic, hypocritical, indoctrinational talk for "I don't trust anybody." And yes, she did influence me in not wanting to stay in that church.
“Doesn’t want her kids being influenced by the world” = she want to isolate them so they’re easier to abuse Can’t you report her somewhere like police or educational office Being married to an American doesn’t mean she’s exempt from the law, UNLESS they live in an American embassy but I sincerely doubt that
I really like your content! I moved to Germany in 2012 for my parents' work. We still live here with no plans to go back for a lot of the reasons you talk about, and I have gotten dual US/DE citizenship. Being gone so long, this is my "normal" and it's almost jarring to be reminded of how real some of the differences, particularly ones that I personally prefer, are. In case it helps anyone: there is a loophole for dual citizenship that is based on the high cost of renouncing US citizenship and requires that you have a net income of less than $2,350 per month. There is a Toytown Germany post about it - that's where I found out.
A lot of people rag on homeschooling because of the awkward weird kids, but a lot of us actually received a quality education and thrive in society. My parents couldn't afford private school, and I lived in one of the worst school districts my state has. The best option was homeschooling, and I loved it.
Haha people only think of the bad examples since those are the ones you can identify. Those of us who blend in are just assumed to be public school kids.
But for all the children in that district , having better public schools would be far better than allowing those parents who have the time and knowledge to homeschool .
@@TheMaru666 you’re right but it’s the responsibility of the school education system to improve the quality of public education to entice homeschooled kids back.
I also live in Europe and where I live it isn’t forbidden but there are tests at the end of the year because if you get homeschooled you need to learn a certain amount of things each year and this test proves that Depending on where exactly you live you need to see certain subjects each year these also overlaps with what other kids get in school
If the US took public education seriously, I wouldn't have a problem. But with current issues, I've had no choice but to homeschool just so I can be assured that my kids are even getting a proper education. When the public schools here base read comprehension on how rapidly a child reads a passage and couldn't care less if they understood it, then I know they aren't actually educating my children to be functioning in the world.
Not only THIS Point in US it give many Shootings .... because off weapon laws ... yeah ... in Europe , U don't Pay for University, no Children Danger , Good Helfcare System (Netherlands are the Best by bunrnings and Cancer Therapie)
I had to the same to my son. He was bullied and made fun of. He became very anxious and at some points suicidal. So, I know about it and it sad that it gets such a bad rep
@@friendlyneigborhoodbean I would definitely agree. My son had a classmate whose parents were alcoholics and abused him. Anyways they pulled him out has never of him since. So, yeah some parents are just lazy and don’t care (the main problem), but there are also parents who just want the best.
Moderation and good judgement are key here. My sole concern is that the system always thinks it knows what is better for the individual but what you often get is one size fits all solutions, dispassionate unempathetic care, inefficient learning and lots of lost time due to a very corporate structure, and toxic environments where they are socialized by their peers with little to no supervision or moderation. What comes out the other side is a child completely unrecognizable from the one that went in. Good luck figuring out what is going on in your child's life because the school doesn't know and now neither does the parent.
I understand homeschooling in the sates to a point, if you look at their education system. If an education system is properly run and is made to be as unbiased and as accurate as it can be, then I feel that will always be the better option. On a side note though, having police at airports to stop you from taking your kids on vacation a day early seems absolutely insane and dystopian to me. There are levels of control that your government doesn't need to have over you and your family's lives, and that is crossing a line in my opinion.
Went to university in Germany and one day in a meeting it was sayed we have 1mil left in budged so everything gets aproved. We ended up with a huge spound system for our studies (we used them to party hard)
I sort of remember the flight thing. I went to a non public school in Germany, so our holiday dates were different. They once stopped us to ask me where I studied and asked me follow up questions to check that my mom wasn't kidnapping me.
The problem is not homeschooling itself. If you look at kids individually, they have different styles of learning and the abilities thereof. Some of them need to be homeschooled to have an optimal learning environment. It's the lack of accountability in the curriculum of homeschooling that is the issue. There should be some sort of tests or monthly check-ups with homeschooled kids to see how they're performing academically and extra-curricular wise
BUT, as others have said, it's not necessarily the level of the eduction that is a concern, there are also a bunch of other things, like actually getting along in a social environment, parents who only want their children to see a particular religious or political (or politico-religious) view of the world, or, even, parents who want their kids to work for them at home...
Monthly tests would defeat the purpose of homeschooling kids with different learning styles. Yearly tests happen though. All the time. And homeschool kids can take SATs and ACT tests.
@@anna-flora999 Homeschool parents test kids periodically whether it be quarterly or after a certain number of units etc. The only difference is that tests serve their actual purpose which is to show where a child is struggling and not how good of a tester they are. Many parents I know use it as a guide of where to improve their teaching style, what to review, or whether the kid has a learning disability or nuero-divergence that needs assessing. In public and private schools they are on a schedule. And I used to get horrendous grades in math. And guess what happened? Nothing. They would move onto the next item on the agenda without any sort of review, extra tutoring or anything else. Tests are not the end all be all. They are supposed to just be a guide. But they aren't used that way. And many kids get grounded, beat or otherwise shamed for not being good test takers which is ridiculous.
Where I grew up, each year one could pick between submitting a completed grade-appropriate test for math, reading comprehension, spelling, etc. or having an approved person visit the house and ask the kids some questions and look at a portfolio of educational activities from the past year.
I'll add something here, as someone who was homeschooled for most of my primary education ( along with my 7 siblings); we all went to high school though. There are different types of homeschool parents and different types of homeschool setups. "We learn holistically, we're out in nature all the time and we weave baskets", "I don't want my kids indoctrinated by the government system", "My child is special/sensitive/gets bullied/had autism/etc and they will be in a safer environment at home", to name a few. I had a friend who was also homeschooled through her entire schooling, because she couldn't get vaccinations due to autoimmune issues and constantly getting seriously sick. Honestly, she wasn't very socialized, outside of church and a few friends, and it shoes even today. She's sweet, very nice, and smart, but definitely struggles in social situations with not picking up on certain cues. I've never asked my mom why she chose to homeschool for the most part of our education, but she was a very smart woman, she was always hands-on with us and made sure that we had a varied education and plenty of social opportunities. Between at home work and weekly combined classes with other homeschooled kids in our charter, we had math, science, English, history, government, creative writing, theater, art, social and cultural studies, Latin, physical education, and those are just the subjects off the top of my head. I almost fully contribute my advanced math and science levels going into high school and college to my mom's encouragement to push my ability to progress as far as as fast as I wanted. Does work for everyone? No. Not all parents are willing to be hands on with their kids education, or to go out of their way to make sure they are socialized with other kids in many different situations. Not all parents should homeschool, for reasons of abuse, lack of concern for their kids education, not being educated in enough subjects themselves, or being close minded and wanting to keep science and culture out of their kids minds. There are negatives and positives to homeschooling, and I think parents should have the choice, with certain stipulations and requirements, but of course this is America and we don't like being forced to do anything... Long comment short, just wanted to make sure people understood that homeschoolers are not always ultra liberal/Conservative, crunchies, anti government, or religious fanatics. Many parents just feel they can provide a higher quality and more personalized education that covers a wider variety of topics and keeps their kids away from negative influences like drugs, alcohol, and sex for at least a little longer. They just need to do it right and consider what is needed to ensure their children will turn into effectively productive adults and members of society.
Yes, I homeschool my son in Germany (expat exemption) and we went to the airport just a few weeks ago and the police grilled me as to why my son was not in school. The American in me ruffled in defiance but I realize the rules here and why. I just explained our status and the officer was quite interested to realize there are other ways to school. I have always homeschooled my kids because I didn't want my kids being influenced by the dominant religion of the deep south where we lived. I also knew I could provide a better education as my children do have learning disabilitites
A german mother told my mum the german school system is not exatcly very accomodating to kids with SEN. Its basically catch-up or tough luck. Which is one of the reasons why they moved.
@friedrichrubinstein2346 I'm talking about support in mainstream schools. The problem is, SEN schools often only cater to severely disabled children, as apossed to mild SEN
true, but does not take into account the state of the education system. It might not be the worst but there are funds missing for renovation and many schools are understaffed
Both my husband and myself have learning disabilities: dyslexia, high functioning austim, ADHD and etc. We were heavily bullied in school and the teachers were not very accommodating of our learning disabilities. I wanted to home school our kids because we knew the tricks and techniques to learn the material. Both our families were against it and forced us to put our kids in an over crowded school (40 kids per 1 teacher per class). Our eldest child has slight learning disabilities and the teachers were not helpful - I ended up having to spend 2-3 hours re-teaching all the learning material every evening from kindergarten to grade 3. They are in grade 8 now with average grades. We mostly wanted to homeschool the primary grades to give them an solid grasp of the basics and go to public middle schools and public high school. I'm from Canada.
My first though was situations like these. I have a lot of trouble in school due to neurodivergence, and I'm now doing a fully online school which works better for me (not homeschoolong). School can be really aweful for a lot of ppl and sometimes the best option for ppl is homeschooling. The concerns about it are valid but then there need to be good and accesable alternatives for kids who normal school doesn't work for. I see a lot of ppl praising the idea of homeschooling but I doubt they've given much thought to the kids who school is a nightmare for. Im not even against banning homeschoolng, but like I said, there need to be good asseccable alternatives to normal school.
There are special schools for kids with learning disabilities or other things that prevent them from learning as fast as regular students in Germany. A neighbour’s daughter went to such a school cause she was very slow in learning and understanding. She did fine there.
@@danileopink that's good. We have those in the US too but they often aren't very good for quite a number of reasons, and usually aren't accessible to everyone (most people really) even when they are. Also often doesn't do much about the bullying situation, but that also has to do with the teachers and staff not doing shit. Hopefully it's different in Germany.
In Germany are not only special school for kids with learning problems or disabilities, but they can go on a regular school, and have a adult to go with them to help them. I know from a kid that is extremely aggressive, he has a adult that helps him learn and looks after him, so that the teacher can work with the other kids, but he still can have a "normal" childhood, and work on his problems, so that in the future he will have it easy.
My half British, half German cousin moved to London a few years ago. She got into trouble with her oldest daughter's school for dying her daughter's hair. She refused to do what the school asked for and so she homeschooled her child. She fucked up, cause she did nothing (!) with her for 2 years. Her daughter felt so emberased when she was allowed to go back to school, cause all her friends had been in grade 6 allready and she was forced to go back th grade 4 cause of how little my cousin cared for her child's education. Now her daughter is 17 and instead of grade 11 the girl is only in grade 9 right now.
In Italy we have homeschooling, in fact I know a family that started homeschooling their 3 children because of covid. It's not a common practice though and at the end of every school year the kids have to take exams to prove that their education reaches the standards required
Exposing myself, but I homeschool one of my kids. He is autistic and the best help I can get him is in home therapy that happens during school hours. He doesn't have violent meltdowns at school, so the school did not consider him in need of special help, which was incorrect. My goal is to get him ready for a 2nd grade classroom in a year or so. But right now, even with a fantastic teacher, he needs more than the school could provide. It has been a struggle finding comprehensive curriculum that isn't religious based for us. I managed to do it, but it's frustrating
I think that’s an example of where homeschooling is appropriate, although I hope you’re still able to take time and energy for yourself. Lots of schools just aren’t equipped to handle neurodivergent students unfortunately, it’s a huge failing. Classes in general are not developed with neuodivergent students in mind; with all the sitting staring at a chalk board for basically 9 hours all day, I think regular kids would get antsy even ne never mind the autism ADHD and OCD students. I have ADHD and OCD, and the only reason I was able to keep things basket together was because I was motivated by fear of punishment. Growing up, the first high support needs autistic person I met was in 4th grade, and although it’s not his fault of course he couldn’t control his emotions and was disrupting not only the class but also his own learning. If he had been able to learn an environment that was much more controlled and predictable, less on and off leaky window AC, less flickering lights, less sounds of everyone’s feet shuffling he may have had an easier time and had an easier time regulating his emotions because he wasn’t as overwhelmed by other things. This classmate eventually became very “normal” and didn’t need an aide anymore shortly after high school started. I hope your son figures out whatever her needs for him to learn best whatever that is.
Here (in Germany) he could get a helper (not provided by the school but from external organisations) who is with him at school, maybe even on his way, from and to school*. And this person would assist him with whatever he needs: organising his day, protecting him if he gets overwhelmed, helping him to focus on the lessons. *primary schools are ideally in comfy walking distance to the students' home, so kids walk, scoot or bike there every day, maybe not in grade one right away. But in grade three mommy taxi should not be needed anymore. We also don't have school busses picking up every child separately, only if they are visiting a special school for disabled children. But trying to integrate disabled children at the regular schools, if possible, is always preferred.
@@inkenhafner7187 Honestly, if I could move my family from the USA to Germany, I would in a heartbeat. But I don't have any money and I'm not in a highly sought after field of work
As a Brit who has been exposed to German kids at different levels of education (secondary to higher) I get it. They're so smart! And it almost seems effortless, because they actually value vocational education as much as classical academia. This means that all kids have essentially equal chances for success, whether they're more academic or not. I say this as the top 1-5 percentile of my graduating year at all levels in the UK. Anyone different in the UK pretty much has their socioeconomic level fixed below a certain level and it sucks. The number of friends I schooled with whom I could tell were soo smart in 'unconventional' and societally beneficial ways, but were essentially neglected by our educators and made to expect the least in themselves was shocking. It's practically class-coding in the education system!
@Kal17 ---- as a german with a highschool degree and the chance to go to college i can assure you who ever did this statistics never been at Germany 😄. There is even a government support to attend college/universuty (BAFÖG) if you or your parents couldn't affort your higher education. And you are not ending in a debt of some 100 thousands like in the US. I had guys from all backgrounds at my class. So tell me if we didn't had the same chances how was this possible. And i can also assure you it was not a Beverly Hills City i went to highschool. So if there are that much differences how was it possible that the "normal" guys got their degrees while the rich (dont give a f...) guys didn't? Money can help you but in terms of same chances whoever made this statistics had no idea about germany.
@@a.d.1563 Your experience doesn't cover the population level. Much of Europe gives significant help to study at university, but the social mobility has still crawled to a halt and in some places reversed with more falling down the socioeconomic ladder than climbing up. It's not just about the funding, it's about access, bias, community expectations, and many other factors just for going to university, and then there is whether you can get an actual graduate job afterwards.
@@dehn6581 ---- if you say so. You have your opinion or experiences and i do have mine. I am not having a tiring dialogue whose right. Have a good one.
I remember I went with my mom to the US because she was working there and we had to leave a day early, right before vacation time and I had to get a paper from the school that I was allowed to leave.
Personally, I'd homeschool my child only because school is ineffective and too slow, and the time which you are young at is really important. I would only let them go to school for the social aspect. Waiting for the state 6 whole years to start teaching your child basic algebra is honestly kinda dumb, when its the same time it takes to become a doctor, and even more comparing to accelerated programs.
Look, this is a good thing. I was homeschooled for 2 years. It was my mother's way of covering the fact that I was the black sheep in the "Golden child/ Black sheep" abuse dichotomy. It hid my behavioral problems, malnutrition, and bruises from the only people who could have reported it. I was also severely isolated. I'm still dealing with the effects of not interacting with people for 2 years. I'm 22, this was for three 6th and 7th grades.
I'm sorry for your experience, and I don't mean to minimise it, but I don't quite understand. Did you not receive abuse prior to the 6th grade? Why did your abusive family allow you to return for the 8th grade? Was your abuse only part of the homeschooling experience, or are you suffering from the effects of abuse generally? I don't intend to be too personally invasive, and I hope you're in a better place. But you presented your circumstance as an example, and I don't quite understand what you're suggesting.
We were going to homeschool so I joined a few groups on Facebook. The fear of religious extremism is legitimate. The amount of families in those groups that look for religious text books, including math books that center around religion or books about how the world is only 6k years old and ones that try to teach about vaccines being evil is astounding.
We had exactly the opposite problem with our criteria for homeschooling. My child had severe adhd, and the school district did not have the resources, or the want to, to make his education meaningful. Trying to find curriculum from a purely secular view is soooo hard! We wanted absolutely NO religion in our teaching.
There are plenty of secular homeschooling families. There are also a lot of fundies indoctrinating their kids. The fact that not all people do it for the right reasons does not mean that it’s bad or should be illegal. Better oversight is what is required.
@@peachybrie1006 So in your eyes parents should not be allowed to decide what morality they want their children to be raised with? You think that the state should be in charge of what morals are taught and what ideas the kids should be indoctrinated with? And yes, in the USA, at least, if you send kids to public school they will learn things some parents aren't ok with, and they will most likely be indoctrinated with ideas that some parents aren't ok with, and they will most likely, statistically, not learn to read well, not learn math well, not know how to spell well, etc. So really, how bad of a homeschool teacher do you have to be to do worse than the public school system?
@@staceyschmidt3149 I didn’t say any of that. I was pointing out that there are secular homeschoolers and fundamentalist Christians who send their kids to school. The two are not mutually exclusive. I also didn’t make a link between morality and religion, because those two things are also not mutually exclusive. I support homeschooling families. I am a homeschooling mom. I also support oversight to make sure that children are being given the education they deserve and living safe, healthy lives.
@@staceyschmidt3149 How about you let your child learn your morality at home and alternatives at school? That way they can (I know, that's not very Christian! 😉) form their own opinions!
The thing is that many public schools in the US are a steaming pile of crap (such as terrible grades but pushing to graduate anyways without the knowledge needed in life) More and more people are homeschooling their children.
This explains why my German friend got very angry at me for considering homeschooling. I am not religious, an extrovert who loves to socialize with my child and a doctor who wants to spend as much time as I can with my child. I like the choice to accelerate my child accamdeically and give them more one on one attention. . . I prefer having the choice in the US.
You have the only reasonable comment on here. Most of the other comments are either ignorant or double minded. By that I mean them saying that homeschooled kids are abused but ignore the fact that kids in public schools get abused too. They also ignore the fact that the woman in the video was going homeschool her kid. If home schooling is so bad why was she considering it? Having a choice equals freedom... they like rules in Germany not freedom.
@@bucknasty8001 and A. Parvati She said that she was considering it because she thought she could learn German with her child together. And that she was used to have that option coming from the US. I’m sure the child learned the language far better and faster in school. She would have held the child back and not being able to speak our language it would have been difficult to make friends without meeting kids at school! I understand that you want to spend as much time as possible with your child and can relate to you thinking you are the best teacher for your child. But being extrovert and loving to socialize with your child sounds a little bit selfish, too. So many people that could become friends for life! But then the dangers! Being parents is hard, isn’t it?❤
@@winterlinde5395 There are a lot of homeschooling groups in the USA, where different families that are homeschooled get together for outings like field trips and to socialize. It's possible for more than one way to be "right" at a time. Just because you had a good experience in public school doesn't mean it's the best option for everyone.
@@staceyschmidt3149 but that’s what I tried to express with on the one hand friends on the other danger in schools. On the one hand bad education on the one hand in the video she couldn’t have taught her child the foreign language. I really meant what I said: It’s hard to be parents and decide what is best for the child. Living in the US I most certainly would lean towards homeschooling,too.
Your family looks amazing and your circumstances in life seem to be great. Being an educator yourself and with your experiences in school, no wonder that you consider homeschooling! I want to apologize for the selfish-thing. I didn’t want to offended you. I was in my thought process at: is homeschooling good, over all. And then I thought keeping the children at home just because I love their company is not a sufficient reason to do so. If it is the only reason. But for people like you who can give their children everything the school can give them and more having fun doing that makes it even better. Homeschooling as a concept for everybody- everybody being free to not send their kids to school- that’s where I have doubts. Because these stereotypical parents exist. Cults, people with extrem ideologies, crude opinions about the country and the people around them. People with mental health issues. Parents who want to train their children to live the life they couldn’t achieve themselves. The list goes on. And most of them probably aren’t even aware of being harmful to the child. We do like our freedom (this is for Buck Nasty😉: if you don’t know how dearly we love freedom watch footage from East Berlin, Leipzig and other cities in 1989 where people are on the streets fighting for it) but children have their own rights (I’m referring to UNC rights of the child) and the country is responsible to make sure they get these rights. To see them regularly in school makes it easier to make sure, everything is ok. And yes, I think there should be a lot of rules to protect children if Germany decided to allow homeschooling. See? Your relatives who fit the stereotype are German, that’s why we need compulsory school attendance. 😃 Did they come recently to be free to homeschool (some people emigrate to Austria here, to do so), or are their ancestors german? In Germany for arts, ballet, learning to play an instrument, additional language courses etc. most children do that in the afternoons. Because mandatory school time ends at about noon. They really concentrate on core skills in school, in the afternoons they are free (well, homework exists 😖) That’s a difference to consider when comparing the two systems. You spend more time in school, right? Also from year 5 children are divided in three different schools. Those who prepare them for craftsmanship, those for working in a bank or insurance company for example and then the schools that prepare children for Uni. Teachers will give advice, which school to choose depending on the child’s abilities. But in most states parents are the ones to decide. That might be a better environment for parents who want to advance their children within the school system. This turned out to be an essay, sorry! But there is so much to say and I’m not done (I stop anyways, no worries!☺️) Btw.: I have been there! My school had an exchange program with a Highschool in Illinois (it exists 30 years now!) Flew in to Chicago, stayed two nights and then spent three weeks in host families and school. It was a great experience. And my host sister lives in Chicago, now. You are virtually neighbors! 🍪 for your patience 😊
Sources ⬇️ Like most German laws, there there are exceptions, like preventatively disabled children, children who are too ill, and there are even work-arounds for circus children. Also, this is a very big cultural difference, so please be kind as we learn from each other in the comments.
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"Let me protect my child from indoctrination by only teaching it my point of view" is such an American thing to do.
Very well put
Yea let’s let the state do it instead! The fact that Germany is brought up in this just adds ironic level to this.
“No, no, we don’t forbid homeschooling because we’re trying to indoctrinate them. Quite the opposite, we just want to make sure they have a ‘high quality’ education.”
Uhhh…
Another positive vote for being a child in a German school, or indeed being an adult is that you’re not likely to be killed in a mass shooting by some deranged nutter acting out a cowboy fantasy.
@@kungfoochicken08 lol whats the alternative? obviously homeschooling will just result in the parents brainwashing their kid. at least in public school they have a chance to meet many people, most work relies on social skills over knowledge anyways.
Homeschooling also makes child abuse harder to detect.
Tbh at the university of Texas, the smartest student were pretty much always the home schooled kids.
Especially in physics, chemistry, mathematics.
If your parents are smart with discipline, they can teach you 10x faster than at a school can.
But you need smart parents.....
@@oscarbear7498 doesn't relate to the op's comment
For real though. I met one who would sleep til noon expecting others to care for her 7 year old who couldn't even wipe his own a$$ because she refused to parent him. Big surprise cps gave him to his dad not long after.
@@doing_BS what some call "child abuse" some might call Discipline.
Not all homeschooling leads to becoming an abused Hill Billy, as they would want you to think here
@@oscarbear7498 First child abuse is child abuse as defined by those who are creditable professionals. The definition isn’t that hard to comprehend. It isn’t a matter of opinion. Second no one mentioned “hillbillies”. Child abuse isn’t a matter of geographical or economical circumstances.
As a Swiss, I must say I've mostly heard of homeschooling as something done mostly by religious fanatics, paranoïd people and others who want to control their child's life and often have something to hide (like various forms of abuse they fear would be reported by a teacher)
Most often it is not that.
I have 5 kids. 2"normal," 1 autistic, 2 with adhd.
They learn better with multiple methods.
They're also free to do additional activities(my main reason), one is a gymnast, one became involved in politics, one dance & does art, one swims & surfs.
They're all different and by homeschooling I can ensure their individual needs and styles are met!!
I use an online curriculum for math and reading. Then we do hands on science and extras(my 3 younger kids are elementary aged....the 2 older have graduated, one went to college. One got married after being accepted to college & deciding against it-her choice)
We're not religious, not paranoid, I just enjoy my kids learning from more than just a book!!
@@tammiehinkle2040 yes some parents may do no harm to their children by homeschooling and their children have a lesser chance of getting shot. But allowing for homeschooling means that quite a few children will suffer from bad education, because many parents will abuse it. Of course, the US educational system is already quite bad, so, not much to lose there...
In the US 10% of kids in public school experience some form of sexual abuse before graduation.
How wonderfully open minded of you. I can see you’ve done a lot of research and done a lot of self reflection.
@Andreas I actually believe that the worst of the worst folks will just hide it, keep the kids in the basement/hidden. Just as is done now.
We have many homeschooling friends, across 3 states, I have not met a single one that did not have their child's best interests at heart. Some utilized methods that I didn't necessarily agree with or wouldnt choose for my kiddos, but so do some private schools-lol
If you look at the statistics, overall homeschooled kids tend to perform better on tests(SAT/ACT), in college, in life. There truly is a benefit to hands on learning one on one with a single teacher.
Although I believe that most of those children would have outperformed their peers had they gone to public/private school-just because their parents would be involved no matter what.
My 2 older kiddos actually attended "real school" for several years(charter, private, public, and magnet), maybe we were just spoiled by our Charlotte Mason charter school in Texas, but after moving away from there, everything changed for the worse. The pay per day attendance model made the schools crazy about attendance, only a "little sick"-still send them, better bring them right back after a Dr's appt, no stopping for lunch or a bit of fun!! No taking "mental health days" or any vacation time during the school year-even for educational experiences. Well, unless your family is "connected." Most everything is political and involves layers of beuaracracy.
Then we have corrupt administration, we actually had a school principal apply for special needs services for my son, then kept the resources for herself(iPad, iTunes gift cards to purchase educational resources, and more-which we didnt know until after "the investigation"). To "get back at me" for complaining to the school board about her friend(another teacher)who was swearing at 3rd graders and I had it on tape(my daughters classroom), she refused to allow my son special ed reading(he is dyslexic), then kept my son out of a field trip in the in-school suspension room all day-due to a bad grade in the "normal" reading class-without telling me(keep in mind this is 1st grade and my son was a 27wk preemie with cerebral palsy, he had seizures and several other issues-so me not knowing where he was all day was also a big deal). We actually filed a complaint with OCR(office of civil rights) against that school district-and won. The principal, superintendent, and 5 teachers were all fired in the fall out from the investigation, we were offered additional educational services that we would never use. The principal ended up getting a divorce and killed her husband-my life was like a movie for a minute(Fillis McGhee, Huntsville AL if you care to look it up...back 10/15yrs ago)
Aaaaaand that's before we get to the bullying that is often ignored by the administration-because admitting to bullying is a red mark against the school.
Our final straw with public school was a bullying incident that left my son with broken ribs and a concussion when he was attacked by 5 other children at a magnet school(Louisiana). Magically, noone saw a thing despite no less than 8 adults being right there, 2 helped him after, then denied it later. My son was the one called to the office, they tried to convince him it didn't happen how it happened and that he didn't want to report anything-threatening that the school might close if he said anything and I filed a report or "made a big deal of it," the school was concerned that the incident would attract negative attention and there were also racial issues to be concerned with-per the school(the attackers were black, my son is multiracial, and I am white), this was not only bullying, this was racial bullying....he was in 2nd grade.
My daughter started the same school 3wks prior to standardized testing(it was a year round school, which I loved)-she had the highest score in the county and top 10 for the state. So I'm not sure how much they could teach her(she was getting worksheets from the middle school teacher, done in her free time, just to challenge her a bit)
However after the bullying, we were done. We entered the wide world of homeschooling and never looked back!!
Is it possible that my kiddos are a bit "behind" in certain areas? Absolutely!! Is it possible that they will graduate with "holes" in their education? For sure!! However I believe that is true for all kids, even public school kids. Yet I know they are safe!! They're not being harassed or bullied!! They can follow their hearts and deep dive any/all things that peek their interests. They have tons of friends, far more and a far more diverse group than they would have in any school setting. We belong to homeschooling groups, we go on field trips, and all my children participate in a wide variety of activities all over the city(we live in LA, CA)!!
While this is not what I planned for my or my children's lives, it's been one heck of a fun ride!!
P.S. My autistic daughter(11-1/2), trains gymnastics 30+hrs/wk, something she could never do in a traditional school setting. She is an olympic hopeful with elite/olympic coaches. She also didn't read until 9, but was doing college/pro level electronic circuitry by 10(had to enlist engineers from hubs work to help her and check her work(hubs is a DoD materials engineering expert)-I was lost...shes since moved on to programming & a bit of art). In public school she would likely be separated, put into special ed, at home she is thriving in many areas at her own pace!! Life is good!!
Sorry that was so long, likely more information than you ever wanted, however it highlights the issues with our educational system! My story is far from unique!
Anecdotally, all the homeschooled kids I met growing up lived in very extremist and oppressive households and had very little outside contact so they had zero opportunities to get help if they needed it.
That seems so odd to me. However I am sure it can happen.
My children(&most people I know) are homeschooled to ensure they can do other things.
My oldest did archeology/paleontology, my son did scouts & civil air patrol, #3 is a gymnast(she trains 32+hrs/wk), #4 has dance and art, #5 does swimming & surfing.
They would not have the opportunity to do so much without being homeschooled.
I cannot imagine homeschooling with nothing else going on!!
@@tammiehinkle2040 well guess what, it's more common than you'd think, so many abusive and neglectful parents homeschool,i didn't learn to read until i was nine because of it.
just because you aren't abusive or don't know any abusive homeschooling parents, which i doubt you don't to be fully honest, doesn't mean that no parents who decide to homeschool aren't abusive or neglectful.
And it's really easy because there's not much legal protections for homeschooled children, and if they are abused they often go undiscovered because there's no one to report that abuse, in the US at least.
Anecdotally, most the home educated kids I've known are very vocal, liberal children who are the first volunteer and are regularly out in the community from a young age.
Also, home educated kids who actively choose to become school educated tend to be happier at school in my experience than the kids who go through the entire thing with no other choice. I've run discussion groups with high schoolers and it's one of the few stark differences.
@@Larsen_illustrations It varies a lot by state, and sometimes even by district in the state to the point that those who trying to get around any oversight tend to congregate in certain areas, which can make them seem much more the majority.
There are home educators and adults who were home educated who've been trying to change the law to add in more protections, but there are also politicians who seem to milk that 'parents choice' button so much or love to make a large divide between school and home education to get people arguing with each other rather than seeing their BS that it's hard to get there. We can get better safeguarding for both, but like so much, it's become a political and financial game along with the significant issue that in many areas, the school system wouldn't survive if all home school kids went into school at once.
@aubrey_animations there are actually MANY people to report the abuse, doctors, neighbors, extra curricular coaches/teachers, other homeschool parents, etc. For me personally, there's not much I can hide since one is in a leo & the other a leo/tutu combo regularly.
One of my daughters didn't learn to read until 9 either. She is now 11-1/2 and close to grade level(she should be at a 5th grade level & is at a 4th grade level). I promise she will be all caught up by adulthood. Not to mention that she was also doing electronic circuitry at an advanced level and gymnastics at a high level at this point as well. You can only add so much to the brain at once!!
I truly don't consider that abusive! We worked on letters, we tried several programs, but she wasn't ready & I didn't push. The rule of thumb is not to worry until age 10(that's when you hire the tutor if it's still not coming).
My son was even older-and in school. He finally learned when we started homeschooling & hired a tutor(the school was not helping him at all).
I learned to read at 4, but hated it, resisted it until I was in my 20s. My oldest learned at 6, in school, but she had to read out loud & reading comprehension SUCKED until 12/14 when we went back to basics(as I was teaching the littles). Now she is good.
Thing is, there is no "right age" and kids all go at their own pace-so much better for the kids!!!
One important key difference though is that public schools in Germany actually get proper funding from their government.
Your a women aren't you
@@oscarbear7498 I can spot your grammar from a mile away.
Lol. Our government spends about $10,000 per kid. How much would it really take. Seems like that should enough.
@@abbeyblalock4178 it was never about the education at school but always about the education AT HOME.
look at universities in US. tens of thousands for people to get drugs & drunk and sleep around building terrible habits that's only ensure devorce followed by a life of loneliness and misery.
You education you kids st home, the the father , giving wisdom down through generations.
That wisdom never changed, only way it's lost IS IF YOU FEED YOU CHILDREN TO THE GOVERNMENT. You turn your kids to mindless slaves to a system.
Goals us independents of ALL powers.
If not.... slavery , and if your forsaken kids want to change it to get back their freedom.... lots and lots of killing, bloodshed, war, just to get a bit of freedom back thiet idiot parents gave up in fear for more security 🙄
Cycle never ends,
@@dingbop963 bet your terrible at math & science
Some countries in Europe allow homeschooling, but homeschooled children have to pass exams euch semester to ensure, that they actually lern and are on the right knowledge level. There are schools that specialise in honeschooling studens and offer trips and holliday camps, so that homeschooled children can socialise.
Only in the UK it's allowed to home school the children the rest of Europa the children are going to school just Googled it
Wish that was the case for the US. There’s no standardization and sadly many kids are not on par with their grade level.
@@lauravalle3766 Many kids in public school are not proficient in Math or Reading either, so it’s not like their education is better. It just depends where you live. The US is a big country.
@@loganleroy8622 that is likely due to a myriad of factors including passing students who should not be passed, poor state funding, the way our schools are set up based on property taxes, and having inequitable school districts. Our state has mandated state testing and passing rules.
@@loganleroy8622 that would mean you have shit schools :) maybe try to fix it
I went to school in germany, my parents which are not native did not know many things about it. So one day I got sick and that I was for a while, my mom didnt know that you had to communicate that. the school couldnt reach her so a couple of days later my classroom teacher and a policeman show up at our door to check up if I am fine. Honestly I think that is so good for the security of children. I can see how homeschooling is charming but I believe socialisation is such an important part of it.
I love this story in particular because it shows that you couldn't get away with abusing or locking up your child for long. There is always more than one person looking out for the kid and that is so important in the rare cases where the primary guardian doesn't fulfill their role.
@@steffenjensen422 I'm happy that my parents treated me good, but for how many children is that not the case? way too many sadly... so I'm glad there is such a system, especially in elementary school. Children deserve protection, even if that means from their parents.
So what about the teachers that are molesting children? Is that the type of protection needed?
@@steffenjensen422the implications of this are terrifying… the only people comfortable with stories like this have no children….
@@thewayteacheras a mother i"m Happy they are checking after the Kids. At least one positive Thing about our education system 🤷
I can’t imagine homeschooling parents can teach ALL the different subject on the same level as schools do. That shit is flippin difficult. I live in Romania btw.
We have vast resources for home schooling here . Everything you'd need is on line most of it is free.
I was homeschooled in Australia until grade 7, and my older siblings were until grade 10. We were all actually above level and ahead of our classmates. My brother and I both graduated early, in fact. I was 15 in grade 12!
There are programs that parents can sign up for, that will send curriculum level texts, exercises and standard level tests. My parents also took my siblings and I to yearly assessments to make sure we weren't falling behind. This is at least how it worked in Australia, and this was also the early 2000s so things might be different.
The way homeschooling works, in my experience, is the parents don't actually teach. They do a job more akin to teacher aiding. It's a much more independent form of study. My parents would make sure I stayed on topic, and would grade all my tests. If I was doing really well, I could get the next booklet early. If I was doing poorly, I would get an extra one on the same level to work through with more guidance until I did. I also had a lot of educational games to help me with maths and such, and they helped me get a lot faster and solving puzzles, recognising patterns and recalling and applying information. Some digital, but often just games that we would play outside. My favourite was like a big board game. If we got the answer right in the time limit, we moved forward. If not, we stayed put. I can't remember much else from it, but I do remember it being really fun and getting prizes from my mum if I won.
I personally really enjoyed that form of study. I got to pace myself, and pick which subject I did when, but still had to do them all in a day. I could take as many breaks as I wanted, but if my work was not done, consequences were clear.
The school day didn't end at 3pm. It ended when I finished my work. On a great day that could be as early as noon. On bad days I would be sent back to continue after dinner, and remaining work would carry over to the next day if not done by the time I went to bed. If it wasn't done by the weekend, I was grounded. No tech, no books, no friends, not allowed out with my pets. I sat inside and either cleaned the house, or finished my work. So I rarely left my work to the weekend!
So it's not so much about parents having to teach every subject to the kids. Sure some parents might, but if you do it through a program the kids are given all they need through books, audio files, instructions for games and activities, etc. the parents just have to give it to the kids and motivate them to engage and learn. Which is the job of a teacher aid, not a teacher.
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I was homeschooled by an incredibly unwell schizophrenic woman for 12 years. I basically wasn't allowed to go outside or have any friends because she'd throw a tantrum or start getting super aggressive. By 12 I had a 3rd grade understanding of math and ended up having to teach myself to get caught up to my peers. Also couldn't read a single thing until I was 9
Damn that sucks. However most homeschooled people do not experience The Hell you did.
Where was the family?? Your father, aunts uncles cousins grandparents???
It takes a village is more than just a saying!
@@jirieskelinen5607but no one in public school would have that treatment. Even if you're bullied you have the option of changing schools
@@jan-lukas Actually moving public schools is not that easy. You would have to move as well. Secondly on avarage homeschooled people perform better at tests than publically schooled children. Obviously this only is true in the US UK Spain and the other places where homeschool is available.
@@jirieskelinen5607 that's a pretty loaded generalization
In Germany it's outlawed to avoid Religious extremism.
In the U.S they homeschool to ensure Religious extremism.
Exactly
Is it extreme to teach your daughters to keep their legs closed until they are married? Public school in the US encourages moral depravity and assists kids in lying to their parents. Parents are supposed to pay all the bills but have no right to teach morals to their kids and enforce house rules and standards of behavior. Homeschooling is almost the only option. If public schools stopped filling kids heads with filth, that would be great.
@@christinebutler7630 To answer your question. Yes! Your daughter's sexuality is her own and long as she is an adult NOONE should pass judgement.
As for the "filth" in your schools I can't really comment but only guess that it has something to do with 'Acceptance' 'being empathetic', 'Feminism'maybe or 'Critical thinking' giving them the ability to Reason for themselves. Am I in the ballpark ?
Freedom is not the same thing as extremism.
Also, innocent until proven guilty.
And most of people that have religion in their lives AREN'T the people going around taking other people's lives.
@@staceyschmidt3149 "And most of people that have religion in their lives AREN'T the people going around taking other people's lives." 🤔😱 what are you talking about? Ever had History Class, News?
It *is* child abuse and home schooling should be banned.
Nah
Yep… same in Italy. Education is a serious topic AND it’s free 😊
Yeah, joining the Hitler Youth was free too...
The homeschooling parents who fear indoctrination are the ones who completely isolate their children from exposure to the diversity of teachers, classmates, and ideas that come from a school system.
When homeschoolers say "I don't want the school indoctrinating my children," what they're really saying is "I want complete control over what ideas my children are exposed to."
There's some irony there.
You do understand most homeschoolers join co-ops right? Homeschooling is preferred usually on the grounds of the fact that parents believe the school systems teaching don't align with their beliefs (most commonly religious). Which I don't see the issue with.
that way of thinking is the same you accuse the others Kasey.
Its a very sad and narrow minded world view.
This is the same thing the Nazis did to education in Germany. They made sure only the Government did the educating. But Oh! I'm sure what happened before can't happen again. Besides I'm sure the government has the best interest of the kids at heart more than the parents.
Exactly! And the rest of the comments to your comment are a fine example of that!
Totally agree. Keeping your kids isolated that way is abusive. Not developing social skills, having an actual curriculum, and being around mandated reporters (who can regularly see that a child is healthy), is dangerous.
“Joining a co-op,” which not all do, doesn’t negate having an over-reliance on one’s parents. Spending the entire day in the company of just your parent and maybe a couple siblings, for years, sounds maddening.
If your religion makes you want to shelter your kid from “normal” society, then don’t have kids or get a new religion, because we all live in a society and that’s reality. Aside from the those who homeschool because of bullying, accessibility, etc, homeschool parents almost exclusively show really concerning control issues.
As a European it is so confusing to me that the country that makes kids ‘pledge allegiance to the flag’ is concerned about indoctrination in European schools. To me, this practice seems like a very toxic form of indoctrination which would never be accepted where I live (Nl). I probably have a very limited perspective on American schools, but it aways seems the level of indoctrination is high in the USA..
Something that's probably important to know about American schools is that they're run on the state level, not federal. So there are big differences between different states depending on the regional culture and wealth of the area. A lot of Appalachian states (roughly in the Southeastern US, where the Appalachian mountains are) are very poor, and have worse quality of schools because of it. The level of dogmatic patriotism depends a lot on where you are. Some schools do the pledge throughout all of schooling, some don't bother with it ever. Where I grew up, it was something we did in elementary school (age 5-11) but went away in middle school (11-14) and high school (14-18)
Concern about indoctrination is legitimate. Schools glorify the history of some groups whilst demonising others, that’s not okay and it creates feelings of superiority and resentment.
That makes sense though, it’s projection. If you’ve grown up in a reality where schools perform nationalistic brainwashing on the daily of course you’re going to have the baseline assumption that schools are both capable and willing to indoctrinate kids. But then because of the nationalism coursing through your brain you also think that the Europeans are going to be indoctrinating kids into bad foreign world views. Hell, they even think not making kids do the pledge of allegiance anymore are indoctrinating kids into bad foreign world views. The only way they can imagine schools existing is as propaganda machines.
As someone who transferred from a public state funded American school to an online school, there is a **serious** difference in what they're teaching children in the US. I've always been very aware of the biases and issues in the American education system because of a brother I shared a history obsession with. That history interest led to us discovering and learning on our own about very **very** different and less biased history that actually occurred. The pure nationalism and strong biases (in some cases, indoctrination) are demonstrated in how the school's history classes are mainly USA-based even if you're taking World History. They barely speak about human rights violations and SERIOUS SERIOUS issues that actually occured and favor a more "America saved everyone" sort of mentality. I learned more about the American Revolutionary War in school than I did about the entire world in school and that's seriously upsetting and concerning.
@@ashwoods2334 you can sleep better knowing most countries do the same
As a former homeschool kid, there are a few cases where it's good for the child- when the child asks for it specifically, for mental or physical health needs or safety- but for the vast majority of us, even those of us who weren't indoctrinated and actually given a good education, suffered a lot from homeschooling. They kept us cooped up and under their control all our lives and me and my siblings only got out when the eldest was 25 and youngest 19.
And most of my homeschooled friends fared far, far worse.
That sucks, I hope you're doing alright. I was also home-schooled but lucky that it was good for me, so I appreciate you noticing it's not always for the worse, but it's important to make sure children are safe and not trapped
Same, and then schooled kids act like it was such a wonderful things and our parents suggest homeschooling OUR children, should we have any.
Public schools in Germany are used to ensure that kids are fed and not being abused.
If you see a child every day, you can see whether they are healthy.
As someone who was almost exclusively homeschooled in the midwest, I can confirm I experienced nothing short of child abuse. I had almost 2 years of public school between ages 4-6. There was nothing in place to make sure we were receiving proper education, and the only form of testing I experienced was when I applied for my GED in place of a high school diploma at age 18. The lack of socializing was extremely detrimental to my development, not to mention the amount of domestic violence taking place, and that the environment resembled something from TLC's Hoarders. I understand my experience was bizarre and extreme, and it blows my mind how it was allowed to happen. It makes me wonder how many more kids have slipped through the cracks. I'm grateful that I was able to escape and create a better life for myself.
I'm homeschooled and in a lot of cases it's just bad parenting. I feel so bad for you and what happened to you. The homeschool system just needs to improve.
@Justin Knox agreed, when done right it's far superior compared to any American schools. I was also homeschooled in the Midwest, and also grew up in a rather hoarded house, and my parents are far from perfect, however, between how bad public schools are in this country and how great the homeschool partnerships I was involved in were (which is what most people don't realize. There's homeschool partnerships full of other homeschool kids, it's like school but in a much healthier environment with adaptive teaching styles) I wouldn't have it any other way. I grew up years ahead in math and reading and had a lot of time on my hands to just be a kid. Had I been in school any abuse I may have suffered growing up would've been more difficult to heal from or even made worse. I also was given the option to enroll in school if I wanted, and I did give it a try for one semester of high school, and I was done with it before the semester was over. I wouldn't copy my parent's style exactly but unless public schools become exceptional my future kids will be homeschooled too. Homeschooling can potentially be problematic but it doesn't deserve its bad rep and I'm tired of people making harsh assumptions of me and my peers because of it.
@@Rusapix when done right it is totally superior. But in my anecdotal experience, most people do not do it right. I think if social workers checked in more often, and there were classes and qualifications that parents had to go through in order to be qualified to do home schooling like public school, teachers have to be qualified then it would prevent some of these abusers from falling through because it would be too much work for them or they’re too stupid to get qualified. The majority of the people that I have met that have been homeschooled we’re done so because their parents were religious extremist and only one couple that I have ever met in my life that homeschooled and did it correctly and their child is a prodigy at practically everything.
As a success of homeschooling(just because of how bad our school system is) I agree the social aspect is also a serious issue. I am going to high school because my mom realized she couldn’t teach at that level, her main concern was the bullying at junior high though.
I have though by choice only a few friends. My grades are great but my social life is nonexistent, I have very little human contact outside of school and 1 DnD session a week. I also have 2 friends that come over often.
My schooling was only so good because I have lucky genetics and just luck and my mother cared about education.
Also the only test for how well I was learning was when I tried to get into high school. That was the only test from the state I ever had up to that point.
I just wanted to say I appreciate that you display the tone you're using. I have ADHD and sometimes have difficultly figuring out if someone is serious or sarcastic.
ADHD or Asperger's?
I have adhd too and I just realized this! It’s very helpful ❤️
how in the world does adhd affect your ability to distinguish between sarcasm and seriousness?
@@leviking564 people with adhd can sometimes have trouble picking up on social cues and understanding the tone. Similarly to autistic people, people with adhd can also take things too literally and struggle with understanding facial expressions. Furthermore, rejection sensitive dysphoria can make them interpret a non-hostile message as hostile, especially if it's said through text. Hope that helped!!! /nm /g
@@leviking564 People with ADHD can have a variety of social and pragmatic language deficits. Like difficulty understanding contextual clues, and intentions behind body language and facial cues. -Carol Westby (Recognizing Sarcasm by Students w ADHD, 2019)
ADHD differs among people, but it is what it is, even if we don't know why🤷
formerly homeschooled american kid and tbh i completely agree. while homeschooling can be helpful for kids who need personalized teaching, there's no good way to actually verify that a kid is getting a good education, and not having access to peers and adults outside of the home can be hellish to your mental health. additionally, abuse is way more likely to go unnoticed.
Doing distance education (all school is done online) has made such a difference in my life. For the last three years of highschool I have been able to put so much more effort and time and energy not into my school work but also activities outside of school because that energy is no longer spent on me trying to survive in an on campus school environment. My disability made being on campus so difficult I ended up severely depressed. I understand culture is different here in Australia and in other different countries and that in Germany there are exceptions which is good, but just remember that there are now many forms of homeschooling and that for some kids like me it may just mean the difference between barely surviving and actually thriving. I knits get to enjoy the things that I love again which means I more actually socialise more now than when I physically went to school.
I’d argue that this isn’t really homeschooling in the traditional sense where your parents usually do all the teaching. You still had proper teachers teaching you. The problem in America is that it’s often moms from highly religious households who have a poor grip on the basics to begin with trying to teach their kids. It’s highly unregulated in most of America. While you do get exceptions, the norm means kids get left behind.
I was homeschooled most of my school career cause I kept getting abusive teachers who couldn't deal with my ADHD but here in South Africa there are homeschool groups that do activities together all the time so we where social it ended up being a way better experience for me
Here in Germany are special schools for disabled kids in small classes with teachers who have a special education how to teach them
We call homeschool umbrellas in the states. After watching teachers of libs of tictak I don’t think I can send my kid to public schools.
There's a law that allows you to pick your school. My parents had some problems with a teacher in the local school and my brother's and I went to a different one because of it. Here in the city there are schools that specializes in different needs and if all that is not an option (maybe because you live in a rural area) you can get a special aid paid for by the state that is with your kid during their school day. Also there are things like Vertrauenslehrer (trust teachers) and a student representative that can help with stuff like that (thou that's probably better with older students). I think they actually try to do it right. I'm not going to pretend bad stuff doesn't happen in our schools and some kids might have been better of being home schooled but I think the amount of kids worst of at home would have been bigger.
@@Rin-oo9pf not in the states, We are trying to get school choose but for whatever reason the Libs thinks its racist.
@@MrSophire It's my understanding that public schools in the us get their funding though the taxes payed by the people living close by. If I got that right I get why you can't just switch districts however it's problematic on so many levels, especially with how strong the financial and racele division in living areas is
Germany:Takes education seriously
USA:👁️👄👁️
Education is no excuse boo boo, you in your fat hand have the WORLDS KNOWLEDGE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.
Get some discipline and self worth and teach that to your kids, so their not idiots paying $50k for an education they could have gotten for free online in less than a year with discipline.
Get some accountability, stop blaming the government 😤.
That would make sense if children that are homeschooled did not our perform kids in public school and have a higher rate of completing college.
They take indoctrination seriously that's for sure
@@blair583 That's even more sad if it was true. Which means that parents without any education / experience as teachers , as you say perform better as teachers than your teachers. Ether your schools are so bad that everyone that just has children can do it better, or the standards are so low for the kids to perform "well" that if they learn *ANYTHING* useful it's better.
@@blair583 "That would make sense if children that are homeschooled did not our perform kids in public school and have a higher rate of completing college."
Citations to the research showing please.
Wow that’s pretty interesting. I was lucky my parents found a good homeschooling curriculum that better prepared me for college than what was in the local public school offerings. but I can def see this being an issue. After I went off to college my mother went back to working and would get so het up about the “homeschooled” kids she met who were literally just filling out papers to make it look like they were studying because she feared they weren’t learning anything.
As an elementary schooler my family went on vacation from the US to Germany, and we met those airport police lol! They were very suspicious as to why I was traveling during a time that wasn’t a holiday break. Also, lots of people we met there were disapproving of us traveling during the school year haha!
I had to laugh so hard, "It's no joke here!" 😂😂
Yes, that's true, it isn't.
And regarding "indoctrination": It's made sure students in Germany get taught (mostly even several times) about WW2 etc. during their school career. They often even visit old concentration camps.
This is one of the topics taken very serious here.
Same with environmental protection and sex education.
"Fun fact": The indoctrination during the National Socialist era was also specifically fueled by the school system. So there are always two sides of a coin. And still, our school system has an indoctrinating effect, especially regarding the religious part. This is why I think it should be replaced by ethics. Also, sex education is not really at it's best. Especially regarding "modern" paradigms, requirements and dangers.
@@amerubix185 but that's the whole point of it, that nowadays the indocrination doesn't happen anymore. As far as I know, you have a choice of wether or not to go to religion class, at least in Evangelical states. Dunno about the chatolic ones.
@@OperaticEnigmatic that's the same everywhere, because there are no evangelical or Catholic states. Well, legally not.
You always have to attend some form of religious education, but you also always have the option to go for a general ethics course instead, with some states only offering ethics
@@OperaticEnigmatic evangelical does not translate to evangelisch! Evangelical are the extremist christians in the US. You should use protestant.
@@OperaticEnigmatic The whole point is that enforced school education is always open for indoctrination. And indoctrination still takes place. All over the world. In some places it's political indoctrination, in others religious indoctrination and in some both. Also in many other aspects of life. No matter if it's work or finances or morals or all together. The whole point is that most of the people do not even recognise how indoctrinated they are from their school education. Some notice it at least in their professional life when they realise that hard work has nothing to do with making money. And believing that one will necessarily be rewarded for hard and good work is precisely one of these misindoctrinations fueled by school education. In truth, quite different factors play a much more significant role. But in school you were taught different. And surprise, surprise - if you trace the whole thing back to its origin - many of such misconceptions derive from religious believes. Even if you consider yourself an atheist. Religious concepts like the calvinist work ethic are so deeply engraved into our belief system that nobody recognises where our common world view concerning work and making money derives from. And by the way, that's all indoctrination is about. That it infiltrates your mind in a way that you do not question where your opinions and supposed truths stem from and if they are valid at all.
As a US homeschooling mom - I wish our schools were as well-funded and safe as German schools. Between school shootings, anti-intellectualism, and insufficient support for learning disabilities like ADHD, and even lack of flexibility for gifted kids... In our case, homeschooling is the better option.
(Yes, my child gets outside social interaction through things like Cub Scouts.)
Also a homeschooling ND child with ADHD..public school setting was killing my child's spirit and I could already tell by 1st grade he was gonna be labeled the "bad child " bc it's hard for him to sit still, focus, complete assignments or finish tasks. And I wasn't gonna loose him to the system.
ADHD isn’t a learning disability
@@victorialafawn123 no, it's not a learning disability. but schools are loud and the sensory overload alone would left me utterly exhausted and without any energy for doing anything else except attending school.
usually we are slow learners too. not because we lack some IQ points but because we have already forgot the question after reading them and have reread them multiple times before we are able to write down an answer and there are always missed parts if the question had multiple parts.
this means also a lot of rereading the same page over and over again because you constantly space out and almost every noise will jerk you out from your focus flow and you will need longer to get back into the work flow compared to the folks without adhd. every interruption costs you more time to get things done but you still have the same amount of hours in the day. that's when we start falling behind.
also another measure for IQ is how much work you can get done in a certain amount of time (the reason why exams are usually timed the way they are. some last 1.5 hours, some 2h, some 2.5 hours) and that's when it starts looking as if adhd people have a learning disability. being properly medicated means that our memory improves, our ability to initiate tasks/switch tasks/get back to an interrupted tasks improves too and the 'learning disability' improves too. that's why it's not a learning disability (because those don't improve with meds) but an adhd disability which needs accommodations too (medicated or not. meds don't cure all symptoms) and some schools don't provide any.
If you have adhd and wanna aducate people on why adhd is not a learning disability, the reasons why it's not one are important instead of just saying 'it's not'. also it's important to explain why accommodations are still needed because if adhd isn't a learning disability, why do we need accommodations? like it sucks being viewed/treated as intellectually impaired because people assume adhd impacts your intelligence, but it also sucks when people don't understand/deny you accommodations because adhd people are normally distributed on the IQ spectrum, so why need them?
Not interested in having the government co-parenting my children.
Thanks.
You sound like a great mom and your points are valid. However, I have seen many homeschooled, where they are ultra awkward and have limited social skills. They also tend to have extremely religious parents, who use homeschooling as a way to ensure their children aren’t exposed to alternate views. It really quite sad.
Bruh. School in Germany tends to be better than in the US in general. But it really depends on the Bundesland (kind of "State") and our school system is capitalistic and old-fashioned as fuck
Ah, the benefits of having an educational system, that doesn’t want to constantly screw you over, and that actually provides a beneficial educational environment.
You are aware this is forced legalised indoctrination right?
As a teacher in germany i can say that sometimes we let children leave school a day or two befpre the official holiday starts so that they can fly to see family that lives far away etc. Having polica explicitly looking for children at the airport can't be true. I have never heard of that. Greetings, a primary school teacher from Berlin
I can tell you that it does happen in Bavaria.
It also happened in Ba-Wü. As far as I know you can still travel with the permission of your school.
It does happen- so if the school allowed it, the parents should carry a written permission.
You Berlin hippies! *shakes fist* 😉
I'm from Bavaria. I wasn't even allowed to miss one day of school to travel to the funeral of a good friend of my family in another Bundesland back in the days. My mum just wrote a note I was sick that day and they couldn't do anything, but Bavaria is really veeeeery strict.
I feel it's one extreme to another. In Australia, home schooling is just 'you're at home and qualified teachers are in contact with you at all times during that period.' The parents job is just to make sure the kids are logging on.
I'm Australian and this is not homeschooling. We have a legal and formal homeschooling system where parents register and submit reports each year. This is different to when our kids just attend regular school from home (virtually like via zoom). We also have other types of homeschooling systems like the old school of the air (via radio for kids on remote stations).
@@annarush7176 Yeah, was a home-schooler in Australia and I was going to say this
You mean like covid times? I mean it's an option if in person school is not accessible due to some reason, but it has a huge toll on the development of the child. Just look at the covid generation.
Remote schooling (by radio, plane, satellite, and internet) is not home schooling. Its enrolled education that had to be modified to fit exeptional remote locations. Then there is home schooling, which is also very regulated to ensure that children are receiving broard education in line with there peers. Neither one of these to be conflated with COVID education modifications.
I was homeschooled until 6th grade, at which point the recession got bad enough that my mom had to get a full time job along with my dad to make ends meet. I can say confidently that homeschooling is far from child abuse, and only becomes that if the parents are going to be abusive anyway. And I learned far better being homeschooled than I did in public school. We were part of a homeschool group, which allowed us to socialize very easily. Heck, the looser schedule meant we could go do things with friends at times and on days when it wasn’t possible to do so in public school. The homeschool group also involved extra curricular activities, group classes, both actual subjects and just general enrichment such as automotive care classes for teens about to get their license. Real homeschooling has regulations on it requiring that you teach certain curriculum. Most of the people’s stories here are their parents just lying to regulatory bodies about either not having kids or the quality of the education they are providing.
I was homeschooled for 5-6 years, and I would not give it up for the world. I am now a junior in college with a 4.0. that said, my mother was the exception, not the rule. She worked very hard to help us learn from all perspectives and had us participate in a number of outside activities/field trips. It is not right for all folxs, but I think it was right for me.
I think you misspelled folks
@@jetaddict420probably a typo
Man I’m so glad to come down here and see SOMEONE else who shared my positive experience with home schooling.
Actually that is honestly more the rule than the exception, at least from what I know as a homeschooling mama.
Most of us are trying to make sure our kids have experiences & knowledge beyond ourselves
@@tammiehinkle2040
15%
The percentage of students who scored Proficient or Advanced on the state standardized math exam.
That was taken from the public school site in the city I am from Literally 85% of students in that school district are not proficient in math. Kudos to all home school families out there that won't do that to their child.
I decided to homeschool my kids (with professional tutors) because our local school system was dramatically underperforming. 2 weeks after pulling them out, there was a shooting in my eldest child's school with multiple fatalities. Having looked at German schools, I would 100% send my kids to a German public school. America does not take education of any kind seriously.
Its normal because US has Bad Weapon Rules ... welcome to the Land with many many many Dead Kids ...
Come to Europe , your Kids will never been in Danger anymore
Oh we do but there is little we can do about it when the schools are corrupt. People who think homes school should be outlawed should have their kids shipped to school in someplace like the hood in Chicago, L.A.or any large city. They mostly are unable to educate at all and no amount of money or political effort can change that
Most schools aren't bad but the rot flows down hill
Yes! It needs to be illegal in the US too. So many child death cases happen bc parents were allowed to pull their child out of school, no questions asked, when teachers started noticing abuse.
My friend who was home school in some way just decided to cram a lot of stuff into a few years and now she’s not even 18 and in college she’d still be in high school rn
I absolutely love that- I really wish the US adopted this attitude about children having equal access to a high quality education. I’ll never understand why it’s okay for the quality of a child’s education in the states to be solely determined by the income of their parents. But I’m happy for you and your son!
Equality of opportunity is indeed much better in Germany, but unfortunately that still does not mean equal access to high quality education. Exclusive private schools are still reserved for those with high income parents.
@@amerubix185 and half of them are looked down on as lesser
@@anna-flora999 Which half do you mean? Private schools? Or mere mortals? ;-)
@@amerubix185 private schools. At least the kinds of private schools. Because the mental imagine I get from "private school" in Germany is either something like a Catholic private school, or something like monte sori that's... Interesting but doesn't exactly scream "super elite education" to me)
@@anna-flora999 At least that's not the picture I get from Phorms, St. Georges, Salem, WHU, Bucerius, ESCP etc. So they must be the other half. ;-) Not to mention parents who are financially well off enough to send their offspring to Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard or MIT. ;-)
Living in the US, I was homeschool, which pretty much consisted of my mom yelling at me that I should just do the work.
As a mother who homeschools her old oldest son I can 100 percent see where homeschooling could go wrong. Although there are some cases where it must be down to ensure the safety of your children, my son that is homeschooled was very anxious all the time and said he was bullied and tried to hurt himself several times. I ether had to take him out or to risk it and potentially end up in the E.R with him. He had done much better being homeschooled and is much happier. I know the dangers of homeschool for some families like extremism and abuse.
I was homeschooled in the US and I strongly agree with the German reasoning.
I was once allowed to go on vacation early and it was such a cool experience. We had everything ready to show to the police that we had actually gotten permission and everything. It felt like we were in a movie lol
Oh ok I just assumed there were no exceptions there and thought that sounded ridiculously excessive. Like they were barring all families from taking vacations during the school year lol
Having to get your family vacation approved by the police is terrifying. We may have some issues to sort out in the American public education system, but that seems tyrannical and extreme.
@@virginianielsen3480 Well there are holidays, you're just not usually allowed to go outside of those times. After all, we do have a study obligation when we're underaged
@@aimeedouglas1584 It's not. Nothing bad will happen. If it's unapproved and you're skipping classes, you will simply be sent back home. It's like skipping work as an adult is prohibited. For children, school is obligated and I think that's a good thing🤷♀️
@@stormpetrel5645 law enforcement checking on a child who has been missing from school for an extended time or who has had frequent unexcused absences (no reason provided by parents, such as an extended illness or family emergency) is one thing, and is actually common in the US. Law enforcement stopping families at the airport who have chosen for their child to miss a day or two of school for a family trip, is something entirely different and should not be part of a free society.
As someone who was homeschooled for their 10th grade and 12th grade years I can say homeschooling was the much better option for me personally. School just caused my depression and anxiety to worsen and I was able to actually learn while homeschooling instead of mindless memorisation.
Of course it isn't for everyone and thankfully my parents weren't trying to indoctrinat me or anything like thay but just genuinely cared for my mental wellbeing
I am glad that it worked out well for you and many others.
However, any random parent is not likely to be as good at teaching ALL subjects at ALL schooling levels as a big team of trained professionals.
@@ignorasmus there is tons of help for homeschooling parents these days...we literally have the holy grail of knowledge at our finger tips as we speak.
@@ignorasmus as someone who was homeschooled you get the curriculum fully curated there are a few different places that do it but mine was through Cambridge. Here in South Africa we don't have teachers for the different subject your in the same class with the same teacher all day. I started homeschool around grade 3 and though at first I needed parental guidance the books are structured in a way that you can basically just teach yourself it tells you which subject to study on which days and the subject books will have pop quizzes and inform you when a big test is coming up my mom also had all of the answer books so she basically just oversaw our tests when we came to them and marked it from the book you don't need to be smart to homeschool you just need to get the right schooling system and be able to read also here in South Africa there are homeschooling groups with other moms who do it that come together to discuss how things are going and to let the kids socialise I'm not sure if it's different in America but I was able to complete school just fine without dealing with abusive teachers which I got 3 times in the time between preschool and grade three
I'm glad you got was worked for you. I would still recommend against it in most cases but If homeschooling was a rare option people in your position should get it
also your parents sound great. I'm happy you had them!
I deeply appreciate the tone indicators you blink at the start. It makes a big difference, thank you
Actually, I‘ve had lots of friends fly successfully a few days early in Germany as kids.
As someone who homeschools, I can definitely see both sides of the fence. We don't homeschool for religious but rather mental health reasons, when we noticed an uptick in my kid's mental health during lockdown. She has flourished and to quote "I don't feel stupid learning any more.". She's also more social, had more hands on experience, and in general a happier person so much so her ped. has even said he'd like her to continue.
I can definitely see where homeschooling can lead to abuse and lack of education, in extreme instances, however, I feel it's less the norm, than the rule it is made out to be.
I see more often where it leads to opportunities for those who falter in our US system, and often hear stories of kids falling through the cracks, being rushed through without comprehension, no or lacking accommodations, etc.
In regard to getting a quality education, so far the college admissions staff have been great about giving us information about what their requirements are for homeschool kids and what they're looking for as far as students. It's definitely an option and the end goal for our kiddo, but it's much like every other kid graduating traditionally all about life choices and what you choose to work toward.
I would imagine there are more opportunities for support for kids who struggle, have mental health needs, etc. In Germany opposed to the states as well.
Beautifully put. There are definitely families homeschooling for concerning reasons. That does not mean that all of us are. My 4 children are homeschooled and I’m so glad that I am able to take the time to make sure they truly understand what they are being taught so that they have a firm educational foundation to take into their adult lives. We also get to travel more, play outside more, make friends of all ages and cultures, learn important non-academic life skills, and spend more time together as a family. There are so many benefits and the drawbacks are easily dealt with by parents who care enough to see them and correct them.
I do also support greater oversight of homeschooling families, to ensure safety and quality of education.
Indeed beautifully put. I think there is even more than these two options. Why not have a more flexible education system in general. Ideally combined with some kind of child care. A lot of children suffer from struggles of all kind at home and often enough these are also the children that are bullied at school. So there has to be a third option. Why not a programme that takes individual needs into account. This is one reason why I would prefer a modular school system that allows children and young adults to have more options on their own. So, if you suffer from a certain illness that makes you tired until late in the morning, you can choose a later module or if your bully attends a certain module you can choose another one. Ideally, you could also reduce the number modules in stressful times and catch up later on without the need to repeat the whole year. I guess this is how it works in the US anyway, in Germany you have to repeat the whole year if you just fail in two subjects. Apart from the nonsensical fact that this way one has to repeat all subjects, even the successful ones, it is also highly stigmatising. All the worse when things are not exactly harmonious at home either.
Yes it's hard to know what we'd do in other countries. We're in the UK and the state funded schools are pretty terrible particularly if you have children with any kind of mental/physical issues or learning disabilities. They're failing kids and nothing is being done about it other than they get more prison like. I'm sure I would have made different choices in a different environment though.
It should probably be mentioned that there are special cases where a child can get homeschooling - if they‘re sick, for example or have severe mental health problems-but they still have to pass exams and there‘s a lot of regulation. I think it‘s less that people think that „bad“ homeschooling is the rule, and more that the few exceptions can end up really destroying children‘s lives, since it can be easier to hide abuse or just force your children to work in the family business instead of giving them the choice. So although I‘m not completely against it, I do think it should be regulated quite strictly, just to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Sadly not every school in Germany is prepared to deal with the mental health problems of its students adequately. In fact my old school seemed to be creating them. When I was in 10th grade it felt like half of my year was mentally ill and those of my friends who had been hospitalized for their mental health issues said, that even the therapists there said that students from our school were making up an abnormally large portion of their patients. There was a lot of pressure to perform on students and Covid only made things worse, because the school was not prepared for homeschooling at all and the quality of lessons we got during quarantine varied greatly.
I don't think these issues are country-wide.
I can't say if it's being in Saxony, being in our particular towns or just our extremely incompetent headmistress that made the school so shitty for the mental health of its students. I changed schools at the beginning of 11th grade and am now in 12th grade. I am still not sure if I made the right descision, because there were still things that were good about that school and of course a lot of my friends are still there.
There is hope though: from what I've heard from a friend who still goes there things are finally changing for the better with more young teachers coming in and switching things up and the school FINALLY getting its own social worker.
Wow. Did not know this! I wish our public school system here in the US were better funded and more respected. It is the backbone of a civilized and educated society.
true that
So what? Instead of improving It (more taxes and higher standards), you Who are NOT an educator home school them??? That kind of crazy only in USA 🙄
@@inigoromon1937 - Majority of children form the public school fail reading tests and math while home-schooled kids fair better, but at least they can tel you about all the genders.
@@inigoromon1937 Who are you taking to? I am advocating FOR public schools and against home schooling as is the creator of this video.
@@namelessking8905 you must be one of those kids who failed the reading test considering your reply and what you replied to lol
As someone who moved to Germany fro a third world religious country I absolutely appreciate the laws here. I have never felt safer or happier
After seeing tour vídeos... I noticed Brazil Works a LOT like Germany
Traditional schools in the US have proven to be extremely detrimental to a child's social skills due to clique culture and rampant bullying. Homeschooling (in the US, I don't know what it's like elsewhere but this is from studies in the US) has proven to actually improve social skills, because there are other ways to learn social skills other than school, plus the US school system is extremely behind in education standards, and homeschooled children here actually do a lot better, and have an Education plan geared towards their needs to they flourish. I think all of this says more about the US' failing school system than homeschooling as a whole
Homeschooling can be actually ethical and a high quality well rounded education, but it sadly rarely is.
I love your tone tags in the start of videos
This is the one thing I'm not so into about Germany. I was homeschooled in the U.S., and the flexibility and freedom to develop love of learning and go at my own pace (which was quick), rather than being trapped in a public school was really good for my academic development as well as being more mentally and emotionally healthy and mature. My transition to college two years ago was much smoother than most of my peers. I realize my experience is rather unique, and others have had really bad homeschool experiences. It does seem a shame to totally prevent this opportunity, though. And not letting kids take a day off right before vacation? That's harsh
In Germany they have multiple 1-2 week school breaks in addition to 6 weeks in the summer meaning taking an extra day really isn‘t necessary. Honestly it never feels too long until a break anyhow. I went to school in both countries.
There are so called Waldorfschulen or “Gymnasium” that. Kids who need a free approach to learning can go to the walddorfschule (although it is a rather criticised topic in Germany, some schools are great, others indoctrinate) and the gymnasium allows for fast learner to receive a more complicated and advanced education that leads to a university career. So there are technically enough options that make home schooling obsolete.
Nah, we have lots of holidays in Germany, unlike in the US. Kids get time off roughly every couple of months.
As someone who was bullied to the point of wanting to commit suicide, homeschooling and online school quite literally saved my life. 😊
Well according to her your parents only did that to abuse you and indoctrinate you into a religious cult 😂
In Europe, bullying is quite literally illegal. Like...it's a crime, you can sue your bullies, the parents will get fined a hefty amount and you'll be eligible for compensation.
@@pandamilkshake well yeah but most people don’t sue, in my school in the case that reached the furthest (not because its seriousness but because it became well known) they ALMOST sued, ALMOST. Whereas in literally all the other cases like mine, not even 1 teacher tried to help. You also need to take into account that, depending on the age of the children, they may not even know that suing is an option (or even not know what suing is, I surely didn’t) and if adults don’t help them then nothing happens. I’ve seen news articles about bullying cases that sadly end with suicide where the school says that it wasn’t a bullying case because they had 0 bullying reports about it, as if that mattered. (I’m European)
@@pandamilkshake welp all the schools I went to in Germany didn't give a shit about bullying
Yeah its actually illegal here in the US too, and it also almost never gets punished for the same reasons sexual assault doesnt. Most of the cases that end up with charges are ones where the victim actually commits suicide or other self harm that ends them in a hospital
Yeah, if you live in a country where your kid is in risk of getting shot and killed in their classroom, then homeschooling might be an option.
THIS
Oof. Fair.
Yes and the kwality of schools/ curriculum varies wildly
Or all the kids and teachers that claim to be super woke and tolerant and accepting that in the same breath sit by and watch students get bullied to the point of suicide. Yea no thanks.
Exactly. My 2 homeschooled grandsons have never had to hide during a mass shooter drill. My daughter is not religious or political and both boys are ahead of their peers in public school. They also get sick less and have never had head lice....if they lived in Germany they may not be homeschooled, but they're not so....
I was homeschooled as achild, and while I DO know some people who did very well, it left me very unprepared for my chosen field in college :( I had to do a lot of extra work and studying to catch up to my peers and get where I am-I don’t disagree with homeschooling, I would gladly homeschool my children in the US school system (especially with MULTIPLE school shootings in my area just within the past year), but there MUST be stricter protocols for what you need to teach your children and to prevent them from being isolated.
I was homeschooled all the way to year 12 and now I'm a teacher and firmly against homeschooling for those very reasons
Homeschooling can absolutely be misused, but it can also be life saving.
My nuerodivergencies made school completely inaccessible (and often actively hostile) to me, and I don't know if I would have even survived this long if I had been made to keep going.
There's got to be a way to regulate homeschooling that would maximize its advantages and minimize the potential for abuse.
Well in Germany we have special schools for a lot of things that are payed by the government and pretty big support opportunities in local schools. Also Doctors can ofcourse lift the mandatory school law.
@@twindexxx nothing is paid for by the government.
Actually, when there is no way to go to school, I'm pretty sure homeschooling is allowed. But you have to show somehow that there is no way, your child can go to school.
Or uhh...just make programs within schools for neurodivergent kids. Like Germany does.
As a neurodivergent person I also struggled with the same difficulties when I went to public school. I'm so glad that I had the experience of homeschooling and it really helped me thrive. It's not all bad
Honestly, as someone who grew up homeschooled-I’m all for this. I agree that homeschooling can be a form of child abuse. I think it’s disgusting how little regard the US holds for public education and how lax the homeschooling laws are. So many kids fall through the cracks. It’s scary.
I totally agree with your concerns. On the other hand as someone who grew up in the German system I am also not "all for this". As I mentioned before here in the comments, I think a mixture of both would be best since enforced state schooling can lead to abuse, too. This is why I think the German system should allow more flexibility as well as systems that allow home schooling should guarantee a minimum level of educational quality and ensure that no child is isolated, abused or indoctrinated at home.
Homeschooling needs a curriculum. If it doesn't have one, it's practically child abuse. But curriculum based homeschooling with opportunities of social interaction does quite well from my experience
@@teddysmith8725 This is possible in Czech Republic, homeschoolers have to follow the same curriculum as schools (there is a national overall concept and various sub-types with a bit different focuses and each school has to apply one of those), from what I remember each year they have to present what they were studying and every two years they have to prove they followed the curriculum by sort of exams in their schools. Also parents have to have a certain level of education themselves (or find a warrantor who has and is then legally responsible with them). Homeschooling has to be approved by the school (but there are known schools that are more welcoming and supporting homeschoolers than common schools, incl. materials and online or personal consultations). If you fail as a parent to present you taught them enough, the approval is cancelled and you cannot homeschool again.
@@carnifaxx I like this. It's seems much better than Germany's system. Some students just need the flexibility that homeschooling offers and it sounds like your system offers that without compromising learning.
As an aside, does the Czech Republic offer gaming focused specialized schools? I believe Sweden does, so I was curious
@@teddysmith8725 probably not, is this even true in Sweden? (If so, I'm just quickly packing my children and moving to Sweden immediately :D ) There are only high schools focused on programming, as far as I know.
I was home schooled until middle school. In middle school I was heavily bullied, groped, sexually harassed and jumped and beat up. In high school I was so confused by the fact that all the focus was on social status and so little focus on learning. I got straight A’s all through college…despite the fact that everything I learned beforehand was during my home school years. I think I learned a little from one single AP writing class my junior year in high school, but most of my public school years were completely wasted.
My parents only mistake was not continuing to home school me all the way thru twelfth.
I had a similar story, but backwords: I started in a public school, but from all the bulling and assult I had to be home-schooled. Othervise, I wouldn't make it.
I understand that many use it for bad, but it could save lifes, like it did with mine, so...
I was homeschooled from 4th to 12th grade and I'm grateful I was. But my parents weren't fanatics or abusive, and I was responsible for my own education, so I was very fortunate.
Safety is the excuse people in the U.S. give for homeschooling, but it's really to ensure their children don't learn to think for themselves or get ideas that don't align with their parents.
No it’s safety. I’m terrified of my child being killed or being provided drugs.
Nope -it’s because public school is 90% wasted time and dealing with bullying. If you’re above average intelligence your talents are completely wasted in favor of the average. I went to public school through 7th grade and it was an absolute nightmare. My mom took me out to homeschool me, I graduated from High School at age 15 and years later I have a Masters of Science from the University of Michigan. American public school can suck it.
@@mentak2593 keep telling yourself that: home schooling exists so parents can indoctrinate their children. Everything else is just rationalization.
@@scottlemiere2024That’s a bit of an unfair argument. While it is obvious that many religious fanatics homeschool their children to indoctrinate their children, I can’t help but think of those doing it for other reasons. If I had a child right now, I would be very wary sending them to a public school, considering dozens of innocent children die from gun violence at public schools.
The local school growing up had gangs and a massive drug problem. I went to a private scbool on scholarship. All my childhood friends are dead, single mothers with multiple overdoses who's parents are taking care of their kids, absent fathers, drowning in gambling debts, 3 plus divorces, or some are homeless. The public school was the determining factor. The kids who didn't go avoided so much suffering.
Public school is a way to promote culture and norms. Germany had to reprogram after WWII which is one of the reasons they pushed everyone going Public school. There would be more Nazis if they homeschooled their children and kept their ideas and never learned anything else.
I was home schooled because my mom didn't trust schools since she had friends kidnapped from school and experienced alot of bullying as a kid. I did online for all of high school but my middle schooling was done through her and a teacher she hired to do testing for us. I always had friends, I always was about a B average, I learned cursive for 3 years and absolutely love learning and reading despite not knowing I was dyslexic till after I graduated
You did but not all children
@@anamm3351 You're saying that there's a difference between the experiences of different people?
That's the difference between allowing individual choice, or mandating buy force of state that everybody have homeschooling.
Oh, nobody is advocating that public school be banned? It turns out that she's advocating that despite some people have different experiences, that all homeschooling be banned, with the state's police force enforcing that the individual has no say in the matter.
@@just83542
Homeschooling more often then not doesn't have good results. Either children turn out extremist because the lack of outside views or often it's used to hide abuse in the household.
Allowing homeschooling isn't the answer to a lot of these issues, it's to do more about bullying.
@@plzleavemealone9660 Please stop spewing myths regurgitated to create a false image of homeschooling. In my country homeschooling is regulated in that children must hit markers and milestones through provincial testing of their learning. My kids learned more in three months than they did in a year of wasting their day sitting at a desk, their three hours a day of actual education they received in conventional schooling was stretched out over seven hours to make sure the parents had a babysitter for their kids while they worked. That’s not what conventional schooling is meant to be, but that is one of the things it is used for.
Our homeschooling association had more supports and opportunities for our kids than conventional schooling did, and the kids excelled. You pushing lies and generalizations - something you should have learned not to do if you were taught logical reasoning and how to research in school - does not help matters any and displays your ignorance.
@@plzleavemealone9660Source?
All data seems to suggest the opposite.
In my semi-rural area of the US, homeschooling and co-ops are very common due to the poor quality of public schools. All the people I know who homeschool take it very seriously and have an educated parent stay home with the child for one-on-one teaching and support for their education. They are also part of a co-op for daily socialization with kids their own age, and have their child do regular exams overlooked by qualified teachers to ensure their child is progressing and on track with where they should be. I plan to homeschool my child when he's older since all the private schools are religious and the public schools are unsafe and of poor quality.
Yes, the comparison Germany - USA is not really fair in that respect. Germany is an extremely densely populated country, which makes it easier to provide better infrastructure and public school system. That is not directly translatable to US Geography
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Outside of one friend, everyone I've known who's been homeschooled has been in an extremely religious or abusive household. The one friend was homeschooled bc they have very bad social anxiety and were bullied in elementary bc they're on the spectrum, their parents are great and did what they needed for my friend's safety.
I was homeschooled my 8th grade year bc my mom found a journal where I discussed possibly being queer. She thought my friends were a bad influence. I was back in school by freshman year lmao my ass tried to kms like twice. Shits horrible!! So isolating if your parent isn't dedicated to getting you socialized and even worse if they're abusive. I had nobody for a whole year :/
Oh my god thats awful. Ik im just a random but im so sorry; thats also a particularly rough age to be isolated. And like, whether you are or arent, thats super normal to question that shit when your 13/14. My friend in HS had the axavt same thing where her mum found her diary where she talked about liking girls, and her mum made ger watch lez adult content screaming "is this what you want!!?". She was like yeah lol kinda. Mums who wanna control every aspect of their teen daughters lives are fkn nuts.
My best friend growing up in Germany was very ill, and it took nearly 6 months for us to help her get homeschooling approved access even then it was fine by teachers, not the parent.
In Germany education is mandatory between 6 and 16. There are a lot of countries, where a bit more education would not be a bad thing.
There is channel of an US couple that moved to here. He is an engineer and was open-mouthed find his son making math stuff he first saw in college.
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It's mandatory up to 18 years and some kids go to school when they're 7.
American homechool mom here:
I actually homeschool so that my kids get a better education.
My son is on the spectrum, so it allows for sensory breaks and a routine for him. It also allows for extra focus on things he struggles with and to let him work on the higher level things that he excels at. He also gets to do OT during the day (those are easier spots to take).
My daughter is advanced. She will be starting running start this year.
We do a lot of activities and a class for each of them at a private school for socializing.
I'm not a religious extremist. I believe in evolution and science, etc. It was just what is best for us.
A lot of the moms I know through homeschool are like me. Just doing what will work best for their kids.
Some had been public schoolers until the lockdowns. The whole thing traumatized so many kids that they homeschool so that they can do therapy.
"We're still authoritarian for your own good"
We love your content, I love the silver starting to manifest in your hair. I think it is going to look amazing.
I cover it up regularly 😂 But thank you!
Damn, weird way to compliment someone
Kind of a backhanded compliment don’t you think?
As an American working in Germany, there seems to be a loophole. A former church lady, who's German, seems to get away with homeschooling since she's married to an American. Her reason for homeschooling is because she "doesn't want her kids being influenced by the world." That's cryptic, hypocritical, indoctrinational talk for "I don't trust anybody." And yes, she did influence me in not wanting to stay in that church.
“Doesn’t want her kids being influenced by the world” = she want to isolate them so they’re easier to abuse
Can’t you report her somewhere like police or educational office
Being married to an American doesn’t mean she’s exempt from the law, UNLESS they live in an American embassy but I sincerely doubt that
real question is if its a loophole or if she somehow managed to avoid law enforcement
@@scourgeface She's probably raising the equivalent of the anti-christ or something in hiding ;)
off topic, but i appreciate how you put a tone indicator. It is very useful to me and my autistic brain 🙈
That last bit is particularly interesting, in the US like 60% of the school leaves the day before a break starts
1-2 days is also no problem in Germany. If it is more, you need a permit from the school.
I really like your content! I moved to Germany in 2012 for my parents' work. We still live here with no plans to go back for a lot of the reasons you talk about, and I have gotten dual US/DE citizenship. Being gone so long, this is my "normal" and it's almost jarring to be reminded of how real some of the differences, particularly ones that I personally prefer, are.
In case it helps anyone: there is a loophole for dual citizenship that is based on the high cost of renouncing US citizenship and requires that you have a net income of less than $2,350 per month. There is a Toytown Germany post about it - that's where I found out.
A lot of people rag on homeschooling because of the awkward weird kids, but a lot of us actually received a quality education and thrive in society. My parents couldn't afford private school, and I lived in one of the worst school districts my state has. The best option was homeschooling, and I loved it.
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Haha people only think of the bad examples since those are the ones you can identify. Those of us who blend in are just assumed to be public school kids.
Kids from public school these days are jittery, over thinking, weirdos riddled with mental illness. Hardly the more well adjusted group.
But for all the children in that district , having better public schools would be far better than allowing those parents who have the time and knowledge to homeschool .
@@TheMaru666 you’re right but it’s the responsibility of the school education system to improve the quality of public education to entice homeschooled kids back.
I also live in Europe and where I live it isn’t forbidden but there are tests at the end of the year because if you get homeschooled you need to learn a certain amount of things each year and this test proves that
Depending on where exactly you live you need to see certain subjects each year these also overlaps with what other kids get in school
Interesting, where is it ? (I'm in France, France homeschooling is illegal in most cases and heavily regulated with regular inspections)
If the US took public education seriously, I wouldn't have a problem. But with current issues, I've had no choice but to homeschool just so I can be assured that my kids are even getting a proper education. When the public schools here base read comprehension on how rapidly a child reads a passage and couldn't care less if they understood it, then I know they aren't actually educating my children to be functioning in the world.
Not only THIS Point in US it give many Shootings .... because off weapon laws ... yeah ... in Europe , U don't Pay for University, no Children Danger , Good Helfcare System (Netherlands are the Best by bunrnings and Cancer Therapie)
I think homeschooling truly gets a terrible rep. I literally HAD to be taken out of school and start online/home schooling
I had to the same to my son. He was bullied and made fun of. He became very anxious and at some points suicidal. So, I know about it and it sad that it gets such a bad rep
@@emilyfoote851 Yeah. I think moms who take their kids out to homeschool them then don't properly educate them are the problem
@@friendlyneigborhoodbean I would definitely agree. My son had a classmate whose parents were alcoholics and abused him. Anyways they pulled him out has never of him since. So, yeah some parents are just lazy and don’t care (the main problem), but there are also parents who just want the best.
Moderation and good judgement are key here. My sole concern is that the system always thinks it knows what is better for the individual but what you often get is one size fits all solutions, dispassionate unempathetic care, inefficient learning and lots of lost time due to a very corporate structure, and toxic environments where they are socialized by their peers with little to no supervision or moderation. What comes out the other side is a child completely unrecognizable from the one that went in. Good luck figuring out what is going on in your child's life because the school doesn't know and now neither does the parent.
I agree, the public education system in the US is terrible.
I understand homeschooling in the sates to a point, if you look at their education system. If an education system is properly run and is made to be as unbiased and as accurate as it can be, then I feel that will always be the better option.
On a side note though, having police at airports to stop you from taking your kids on vacation a day early seems absolutely insane and dystopian to me. There are levels of control that your government doesn't need to have over you and your family's lives, and that is crossing a line in my opinion.
I was homeschooled up until college. It was a very good way for my parents to hide their abuse.
I’m so sorry
Lived & worked in Germany for 19 yrs. This is all true. School & education is a top priority, taken very seriously. Teachers are well paid.
Sometimes I need to be remembered in what a great country im living. Germany rulez!
Went to university in Germany and one day in a meeting it was sayed we have 1mil left in budged so everything gets aproved. We ended up with a huge spound system for our studies (we used them to party hard)
I sort of remember the flight thing. I went to a non public school in Germany, so our holiday dates were different. They once stopped us to ask me where I studied and asked me follow up questions to check that my mom wasn't kidnapping me.
The problem is not homeschooling itself. If you look at kids individually, they have different styles of learning and the abilities thereof. Some of them need to be homeschooled to have an optimal learning environment.
It's the lack of accountability in the curriculum of homeschooling that is the issue. There should be some sort of tests or monthly check-ups with homeschooled kids to see how they're performing academically and extra-curricular wise
BUT, as others have said, it's not necessarily the level of the eduction that is a concern, there are also a bunch of other things, like actually getting along in a social environment, parents who only want their children to see a particular religious or political (or politico-religious) view of the world, or, even, parents who want their kids to work for them at home...
Monthly tests would defeat the purpose of homeschooling kids with different learning styles. Yearly tests happen though. All the time. And homeschool kids can take SATs and ACT tests.
@@jbeck1234so they're only tested using the worst kind of test. Great
@@anna-flora999 Homeschool parents test kids periodically whether it be quarterly or after a certain number of units etc. The only difference is that tests serve their actual purpose which is to show where a child is struggling and not how good of a tester they are. Many parents I know use it as a guide of where to improve their teaching style, what to review, or whether the kid has a learning disability or nuero-divergence that needs assessing.
In public and private schools they are on a schedule. And I used to get horrendous grades in math. And guess what happened? Nothing. They would move onto the next item on the agenda without any sort of review, extra tutoring or anything else.
Tests are not the end all be all. They are supposed to just be a guide. But they aren't used that way. And many kids get grounded, beat or otherwise shamed for not being good test takers which is ridiculous.
Where I grew up, each year one could pick between submitting a completed grade-appropriate test for math, reading comprehension, spelling, etc. or having an approved person visit the house and ask the kids some questions and look at a portfolio of educational activities from the past year.
I'll add something here, as someone who was homeschooled for most of my primary education ( along with my 7 siblings); we all went to high school though. There are different types of homeschool parents and different types of homeschool setups. "We learn holistically, we're out in nature all the time and we weave baskets", "I don't want my kids indoctrinated by the government system", "My child is special/sensitive/gets bullied/had autism/etc and they will be in a safer environment at home", to name a few. I had a friend who was also homeschooled through her entire schooling, because she couldn't get vaccinations due to autoimmune issues and constantly getting seriously sick. Honestly, she wasn't very socialized, outside of church and a few friends, and it shoes even today. She's sweet, very nice, and smart, but definitely struggles in social situations with not picking up on certain cues.
I've never asked my mom why she chose to homeschool for the most part of our education, but she was a very smart woman, she was always hands-on with us and made sure that we had a varied education and plenty of social opportunities. Between at home work and weekly combined classes with other homeschooled kids in our charter, we had math, science, English, history, government, creative writing, theater, art, social and cultural studies, Latin, physical education, and those are just the subjects off the top of my head. I almost fully contribute my advanced math and science levels going into high school and college to my mom's encouragement to push my ability to progress as far as as fast as I wanted.
Does work for everyone? No. Not all parents are willing to be hands on with their kids education, or to go out of their way to make sure they are socialized with other kids in many different situations. Not all parents should homeschool, for reasons of abuse, lack of concern for their kids education, not being educated in enough subjects themselves, or being close minded and wanting to keep science and culture out of their kids minds.
There are negatives and positives to homeschooling, and I think parents should have the choice, with certain stipulations and requirements, but of course this is America and we don't like being forced to do anything...
Long comment short, just wanted to make sure people understood that homeschoolers are not always ultra liberal/Conservative, crunchies, anti government, or religious fanatics. Many parents just feel they can provide a higher quality and more personalized education that covers a wider variety of topics and keeps their kids away from negative influences like drugs, alcohol, and sex for at least a little longer. They just need to do it right and consider what is needed to ensure their children will turn into effectively productive adults and members of society.
Yes, I homeschool my son in Germany (expat exemption) and we went to the airport just a few weeks ago and the police grilled me as to why my son was not in school. The American in me ruffled in defiance but I realize the rules here and why. I just explained our status and the officer was quite interested to realize there are other ways to school.
I have always homeschooled my kids because I didn't want my kids being influenced by the dominant religion of the deep south where we lived. I also knew I could provide a better education as my children do have learning disabilitites
A german mother told my mum the german school system is not exatcly very accomodating to kids with SEN. Its basically catch-up or tough luck. Which is one of the reasons why they moved.
@@liammeech3702 Quite a weird take, considering there are special schools in Germany _just_ for children with SEN. They're called _Sonderschule._
@friedrichrubinstein2346 I'm talking about support in mainstream schools. The problem is, SEN schools often only cater to severely disabled children, as apossed to mild SEN
@@liammeech3702you can also have someone helping you in a regular school. Integrationshilfen are a thing.
true, but does not take into account the state of the education system. It might not be the worst but there are funds missing for renovation and many schools are understaffed
Both my husband and myself have learning disabilities: dyslexia, high functioning austim, ADHD and etc. We were heavily bullied in school and the teachers were not very accommodating of our learning disabilities. I wanted to home school our kids because we knew the tricks and techniques to learn the material. Both our families were against it and forced us to put our kids in an over crowded school (40 kids per 1 teacher per class). Our eldest child has slight learning disabilities and the teachers were not helpful - I ended up having to spend 2-3 hours re-teaching all the learning material every evening from kindergarten to grade 3. They are in grade 8 now with average grades. We mostly wanted to homeschool the primary grades to give them an solid grasp of the basics and go to public middle schools and public high school. I'm from Canada.
My first though was situations like these. I have a lot of trouble in school due to neurodivergence, and I'm now doing a fully online school which works better for me (not homeschoolong). School can be really aweful for a lot of ppl and sometimes the best option for ppl is homeschooling. The concerns about it are valid but then there need to be good and accesable alternatives for kids who normal school doesn't work for. I see a lot of ppl praising the idea of homeschooling but I doubt they've given much thought to the kids who school is a nightmare for. Im not even against banning homeschoolng, but like I said, there need to be good asseccable alternatives to normal school.
There are special schools for kids with learning disabilities or other things that prevent them from learning as fast as regular students in Germany. A neighbour’s daughter went to such a school cause she was very slow in learning and understanding. She did fine there.
@@danileopink that's good. We have those in the US too but they often aren't very good for quite a number of reasons, and usually aren't accessible to everyone (most people really) even when they are. Also often doesn't do much about the bullying situation, but that also has to do with the teachers and staff not doing shit. Hopefully it's different in Germany.
In Germany are not only special school for kids with learning problems or disabilities, but they can go on a regular school, and have a adult to go with them to help them. I know from a kid that is extremely aggressive, he has a adult that helps him learn and looks after him, so that the teacher can work with the other kids, but he still can have a "normal" childhood, and work on his problems, so that in the future he will have it easy.
My half British, half German cousin moved to London a few years ago. She got into trouble with her oldest daughter's school for dying her daughter's hair. She refused to do what the school asked for and so she homeschooled her child. She fucked up, cause she did nothing (!) with her for 2 years. Her daughter felt so emberased when she was allowed to go back to school, cause all her friends had been in grade 6 allready and she was forced to go back th grade 4 cause of how little my cousin cared for her child's education. Now her daughter is 17 and instead of grade 11 the girl is only in grade 9 right now.
In Italy we have homeschooling, in fact I know a family that started homeschooling their 3 children because of covid.
It's not a common practice though and at the end of every school year the kids have to take exams to prove that their education reaches the standards required
Exposing myself, but I homeschool one of my kids. He is autistic and the best help I can get him is in home therapy that happens during school hours. He doesn't have violent meltdowns at school, so the school did not consider him in need of special help, which was incorrect. My goal is to get him ready for a 2nd grade classroom in a year or so. But right now, even with a fantastic teacher, he needs more than the school could provide. It has been a struggle finding comprehensive curriculum that isn't religious based for us. I managed to do it, but it's frustrating
I think that’s an example of where homeschooling is appropriate, although I hope you’re still able to take time and energy for yourself. Lots of schools just aren’t equipped to handle neurodivergent students unfortunately, it’s a huge failing. Classes in general are not developed with neuodivergent students in mind; with all the sitting staring at a chalk board for basically 9 hours all day, I think regular kids would get antsy even ne never mind the autism ADHD and OCD students. I have ADHD and OCD, and the only reason I was able to keep things basket together was because I was motivated by fear of punishment. Growing up, the first high support needs autistic person I met was in 4th grade, and although it’s not his fault of course he couldn’t control his emotions and was disrupting not only the class but also his own learning. If he had been able to learn an environment that was much more controlled and predictable, less on and off leaky window AC, less flickering lights, less sounds of everyone’s feet shuffling he may have had an easier time and had an easier time regulating his emotions because he wasn’t as overwhelmed by other things. This classmate eventually became very “normal” and didn’t need an aide anymore shortly after high school started. I hope your son figures out whatever her needs for him to learn best whatever that is.
Here (in Germany) he could get a helper (not provided by the school but from external organisations) who is with him at school, maybe even on his way, from and to school*. And this person would assist him with whatever he needs: organising his day, protecting him if he gets overwhelmed, helping him to focus on the lessons.
*primary schools are ideally in comfy walking distance to the students' home, so kids walk, scoot or bike there every day, maybe not in grade one right away. But in grade three mommy taxi should not be needed anymore.
We also don't have school busses picking up every child separately, only if they are visiting a special school for disabled children.
But trying to integrate disabled children at the regular schools, if possible, is always preferred.
@@inkenhafner7187 Honestly, if I could move my family from the USA to Germany, I would in a heartbeat. But I don't have any money and I'm not in a highly sought after field of work
As a Brit who has been exposed to German kids at different levels of education (secondary to higher) I get it. They're so smart! And it almost seems effortless, because they actually value vocational education as much as classical academia. This means that all kids have essentially equal chances for success, whether they're more academic or not. I say this as the top 1-5 percentile of my graduating year at all levels in the UK. Anyone different in the UK pretty much has their socioeconomic level fixed below a certain level and it sucks. The number of friends I schooled with whom I could tell were soo smart in 'unconventional' and societally beneficial ways, but were essentially neglected by our educators and made to expect the least in themselves was shocking. It's practically class-coding in the education system!
But brits are very smart too.
And for real some of the nicest people in the World 😊
@Kal17 ---- as a german with a highschool degree and the chance to go to college i can assure you who ever did this statistics never been at Germany 😄.
There is even a government support to attend college/universuty (BAFÖG) if you or your parents couldn't affort your higher education.
And you are not ending in a debt of some 100 thousands like in the US.
I had guys from all backgrounds at my class.
So tell me if we didn't had the same chances how was this possible.
And i can also assure you it was not a Beverly Hills City i went to highschool.
So if there are that much differences how was it possible that the "normal" guys got their degrees while the rich (dont give a f...) guys didn't?
Money can help you but in terms of same chances whoever made this statistics had no idea about germany.
@@a.d.1563 Your experience doesn't cover the population level. Much of Europe gives significant help to study at university, but the social mobility has still crawled to a halt and in some places reversed with more falling down the socioeconomic ladder than climbing up. It's not just about the funding, it's about access, bias, community expectations, and many other factors just for going to university, and then there is whether you can get an actual graduate job afterwards.
@@dehn6581 ---- if you say so.
You have your opinion or experiences and i do have mine.
I am not having a tiring dialogue whose right.
Have a good one.
I remember I went with my mom to the US because she was working there and we had to leave a day early, right before vacation time and I had to get a paper from the school that I was allowed to leave.
Personally, I'd homeschool my child only because school is ineffective and too slow, and the time which you are young at is really important. I would only let them go to school for the social aspect.
Waiting for the state 6 whole years to start teaching your child basic algebra is honestly kinda dumb, when its the same time it takes to become a doctor, and even more comparing to accelerated programs.
Look, this is a good thing. I was homeschooled for 2 years. It was my mother's way of covering the fact that I was the black sheep in the "Golden child/ Black sheep" abuse dichotomy. It hid my behavioral problems, malnutrition, and bruises from the only people who could have reported it. I was also severely isolated. I'm still dealing with the effects of not interacting with people for 2 years. I'm 22, this was for three 6th and 7th grades.
I'm sorry for your experience, and I don't mean to minimise it, but I don't quite understand. Did you not receive abuse prior to the 6th grade? Why did your abusive family allow you to return for the 8th grade?
Was your abuse only part of the homeschooling experience, or are you suffering from the effects of abuse generally?
I don't intend to be too personally invasive, and I hope you're in a better place. But you presented your circumstance as an example, and I don't quite understand what you're suggesting.
We were going to homeschool so I joined a few groups on Facebook. The fear of religious extremism is legitimate. The amount of families in those groups that look for religious text books, including math books that center around religion or books about how the world is only 6k years old and ones that try to teach about vaccines being evil is astounding.
We had exactly the opposite problem with our criteria for homeschooling. My child had severe adhd, and the school district did not have the resources, or the want to, to make his education meaningful. Trying to find curriculum from a purely secular view is soooo hard! We wanted absolutely NO religion in our teaching.
There are plenty of secular homeschooling families. There are also a lot of fundies indoctrinating their kids. The fact that not all people do it for the right reasons does not mean that it’s bad or should be illegal. Better oversight is what is required.
@@peachybrie1006 So in your eyes parents should not be allowed to decide what morality they want their children to be raised with? You think that the state should be in charge of what morals are taught and what ideas the kids should be indoctrinated with?
And yes, in the USA, at least, if you send kids to public school they will learn things some parents aren't ok with, and they will most likely be indoctrinated with ideas that some parents aren't ok with, and they will most likely, statistically, not learn to read well, not learn math well, not know how to spell well, etc. So really, how bad of a homeschool teacher do you have to be to do worse than the public school system?
@@staceyschmidt3149 I didn’t say any of that. I was pointing out that there are secular homeschoolers and fundamentalist Christians who send their kids to school. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I also didn’t make a link between morality and religion, because those two things are also not mutually exclusive.
I support homeschooling families. I am a homeschooling mom. I also support oversight to make sure that children are being given the education they deserve and living safe, healthy lives.
@@staceyschmidt3149 How about you let your child learn your morality at home and alternatives at school? That way they can (I know, that's not very Christian! 😉) form their own opinions!
Same in Spain. And it's free of course.
The thing is that many public schools in the US are a steaming pile of crap (such as terrible grades but pushing to graduate anyways without the knowledge needed in life) More and more people are homeschooling their children.
This explains why my German friend got very angry at me for considering homeschooling. I am not religious, an extrovert who loves to socialize with my child and a doctor who wants to spend as much time as I can with my child. I like the choice to accelerate my child accamdeically and give them more one on one attention. . . I prefer having the choice in the US.
You have the only reasonable comment on here. Most of the other comments are either ignorant or double minded. By that I mean them saying that homeschooled kids are abused but ignore the fact that kids in public schools get abused too. They also ignore the fact that the woman in the video was going homeschool her kid. If home schooling is so bad why was she considering it? Having a choice equals freedom... they like rules in Germany not freedom.
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She said that she was considering it because she thought she could learn German with her child together. And that she was used to have that option coming from the US.
I’m sure the child learned the language far better and faster in school. She would have held the child back and not being able to speak our language it would have been difficult to make friends without meeting kids at school!
I understand that you want to spend as much time as possible with your child and can relate to you thinking you are the best teacher for your child. But being extrovert and loving to socialize with your child sounds a little bit selfish, too. So many people that could become friends for life! But then the dangers! Being parents is hard, isn’t it?❤
@@winterlinde5395 There are a lot of homeschooling groups in the USA, where different families that are homeschooled get together for outings like field trips and to socialize. It's possible for more than one way to be "right" at a time. Just because you had a good experience in public school doesn't mean it's the best option for everyone.
@@staceyschmidt3149 but that’s what I tried to express with on the one hand friends on the other danger in schools. On the one hand bad education on the one hand in the video she couldn’t have taught her child the foreign language. I really meant what I said: It’s hard to be parents and decide what is best for the child. Living in the US I most certainly would lean towards homeschooling,too.
Your family looks amazing and your circumstances in life seem to be great. Being an educator yourself and with your experiences in school, no wonder that you consider homeschooling!
I want to apologize for the selfish-thing. I didn’t want to offended you. I was in my thought process at: is homeschooling good, over all. And then I thought keeping the children at home just because I love their company is not a sufficient reason to do so. If it is the only reason. But for people like you who can give their children everything the school can give them and more having fun doing that makes it even better.
Homeschooling as a concept for everybody- everybody being free to not send their kids to school- that’s where I have doubts.
Because these stereotypical parents exist. Cults, people with extrem ideologies, crude opinions about the country and the people around them. People with mental health issues. Parents who want to train their children to live the life they couldn’t achieve themselves. The list goes on. And most of them probably aren’t even aware of being harmful to the child.
We do like our freedom (this is for Buck Nasty😉: if you don’t know how dearly we love freedom watch footage from East Berlin, Leipzig and other cities in 1989 where people are on the streets fighting for it) but children have their own rights (I’m referring to UNC rights of the child) and the country is responsible to make sure they get these rights. To see them regularly in school makes it easier to make sure, everything is ok. And yes, I think there should be a lot of rules to protect children if Germany decided to allow homeschooling.
See? Your relatives who fit the stereotype are German, that’s why we need compulsory school attendance. 😃 Did they come recently to be free to homeschool (some people emigrate to Austria here, to do so), or are their ancestors german?
In Germany for arts, ballet, learning to play an instrument, additional language courses etc. most children do that in the afternoons. Because mandatory school time ends at about noon. They really concentrate on core skills in school, in the afternoons they are free (well, homework exists 😖) That’s a difference to consider when comparing the two systems. You spend more time in school, right?
Also from year 5 children are divided in three different schools. Those who prepare them for craftsmanship, those for working in a bank or insurance company for example and then the schools that prepare children for Uni. Teachers will give advice, which school to choose depending on the child’s abilities. But in most states parents are the ones to decide. That might be a better environment for parents who want to advance their children within the school system.
This turned out to be an essay, sorry! But there is so much to say and I’m not done (I stop anyways, no worries!☺️)
Btw.: I have been there! My school had an exchange program with a Highschool in Illinois (it exists 30 years now!) Flew in to Chicago, stayed two nights and then spent three weeks in host families and school. It was a great experience. And my host sister lives in Chicago, now. You are virtually neighbors!
🍪 for your patience 😊