It is definitely an improvement in the responsiveness. The added 3mm of stack height helps with the cushion and comfort. I really like this version as a successor to the Vanish Carbon.
I’ve been waiting for this review. I’m running a half marathon in the fall and this is the shoe I’m planning on running in. I wish there was a vanish tempo 2… but I guess I’ll have to wait longer for that one. Great review. Thanks for reviewing Altra shoes!
I love these so much, it makes all other shoes ive ran in (hoka clifton's and mach 5/altra torin 6 and 7/a few pairs of adidas shoes) like donkey ball shoes. I am on the look out to buy a few more discounted pairs so i can just do all my road running training and competition in these. Also want to pass a pair of these to my dad because i feel like he would absolutely love them, would be his first pair of altra's. Since they are 2 tot 3mm drop if you measure from different measure points than altra uses themselfs i feel this makes them a good introduction to a far lesser heeldrop shoe (first Altra) than 99 out of a 100 running shoes. Most breathable upper ive ever seen. This matters a lot to me, i think breathability is extremely important for long distance running. Hence these guys who do that 5000k 3000mileish run in New York cut out the toebox completly. Even read a website who wanted to give them more than 5 stars in that regard but couldnt. The ankle tongue thing i have 0 problems with, i wear a little bit taller than no shows, works perfectly. Even with some basic nike socks, no real need for some more specialised falke socks or whatever.
It’s already available here in the UK. Ran 18 miles in it today. Good improvements to comfort and energy return with the foam. The plate and rocker geometry made it want to go fast. They are getting closer to the rest of the super shoe market. On the sizing it is a touch long but personally I wouldn’t suggest sizing down because of where the rocker starts, you could end up past the tipping point and benefit less.
Thanks for watching. I also felt the 2 was a little bit long. However, my buddy Pat and one of my sales associates felt they were a little short on their feet, so take it with a grain of salt.
@@junglisttt No. And I’m intrigued by what it truly is as after that first run the way the exposed midsole is discolouring is similar to other PEBA based midsoles I have. Not exactly the same so maybe a blend
Thank you for this review. Seems i ordered the right shoe (has not arrived yet). Love my vanish carbon 1 but wouldn't mind a little more "altra-traditional" sizing. Also, looking to run longer and longer this shoe seems just right! A sigh of relief :)
Thank you for your great reviews. I was curious how the slim fit would factor into my purchase decision. I prefer the original fit for everything and hate how Altra has three widths instead of one standard fitting.
I was tempted to try these until you mentioned the back issues. Oddly enough, since my road rotation switched to Novablast 3 and Rebel 4, I've had zero back issues. I'll be curious to see your eval of the Hoka Speedgoat 6 vs. Timp 5.
For me, the zero drop doesn't work well with my body for running. It could just be a me thing but I always have had problems when running with zero drop. The Speedgoat 5 is one of my favorite trail shoes so I am excited for the 6's release.
How does the fit (slim/standard) compares to the Escalante (2.5 specifically)? I'm a bug fan of the 2.5 Is 36mm stack height too much? the full stack height trend is not suiting me well, I feel I can fall of the shoes...
While the Vanish Carbon 2 is categorized as a slim fit, I had no issues with the width. However, the Escalante will be noticeably wider. The stack height is significantly taller in the Carbon 2. 36mm from 24mm is a big jump for the cushioning underfoot. Especially with the responsiveness and bounce of the Vanish Carbon 2, it can feel a little flimsy compared to the Escalante.
Great review thanks ! I’m a hobbit with wide feet and am thinking about these for triathlon (half-iron distance) …what’s your view re running in them without socks and how easy they’d be to get on quickly ? (Any alternatives you’d consider if negative re no socks and easy to put on ?)
This show worries me. After running 600 miles on the Paradigm 5s with the stability pod and really bouncy, responsive and supportive rubber. I bought the Paradigms 6s and got injured in them right before a marathon. Got plantar fasciitis and injured my Achilles. I realized it was because I kept the same mileage and intense training as I had with the 5s and the 6 could not support this as they are not as supportive and although they feal softer because of a softer sole, the softer cushion feels less supportive, responsive and bouncy. I ended running the marathon injured with the Vanish carbon in desperation. I was amazed that my feet didn't hurt. They also protected my feet and Achilles so well that I was able to run all 26 miles. After watching this video, I'm afraid to try the Vanish carbon 2 after what I experienced with the Paradigm 6 due to the softer foamy soles.
Increased the stack and also the price… The cut outs in the sole reminds me of the Altra Duo which picked stones like nothing else, what about this one?
Mine felt fine in the width. The old one was definitely narrower. Lengthwise, I found my pair to run long on my foot. However, my friend Pat and one of my sales associates found them to fit short on their feet.
Yes, it's an expensive shoe. But it is in line with everyone else's carbon offerings. I agree that the whole category is way too expensive and it really can separate the haves from the have-nots at races.
I've done 2 runs in mine and like them. Coming back from surgery, I'm probably not really cut out for carbon plate shoes [pace wise] but felt I had to try them (albeit at great cost.) I sized up to UK10.5 because the innersoles are 5mm shorter than another Altra size 10 i.e. Mount Blanc Carbon. I use a Vanish Tempo for training and the only difference I detect is the lighter weight and feel (for the VC2) but not the carbon plate. I haven't had any problem with the heel counter. I didn't like the original Mount Blanc heel counter but this feels much better despite looking similar.
Yikes! 9 oz for a carbon racer? My Sky Paris is 6.7 oz. Zach Bitter will probably enjoy the Vanish Carbon 2 but it's too heavy for me. I hope it's PEBA.
It is heavy for a racing shoe. I also wear a larger size compared to the usual size 9 standard for weight measurements. There is no information on what Altra's EGO PRO midsole foam is made out of.
@@GTE_Channel It's my favorite long distance Altra. I have still unworn pairs of the torin 4.5 plush that I do for my everyday. That's my all time favorite running shoe.
I not understand how you can race fast in zero drop? I use altra for yers...ok for slow run with short strides and/ or high cadence ...but for speed run you do heel srtiking anyways
You are not supposed to heel strike when you run fast, to be more efficient with running you should strike your foot on the ball of your foot or flat footed BUT strike your leg underneath your body instead of in front of your body. It's how olympic track runners run, trust me. If you don't trust me, just look up "how to run correctly" and you will probably get something lol
@slavassa can you explain what you mean by running fast you have to heel strike, I’m pretty sure that must of the Kenyan’s land mid foot with their heels coming down after the ball of the foot.
I not understand the phisycs....plate works as swing, and rolling effect....with zero drop how it should work? You are on hard flat carbon plate, so you can take bricks under foot...not sure i understand purpose of plate at all in altra....imho you need to have rocker and some drop
It’s possible to have a dropped plate location in a zero drop shoe. Just because the sole is zero drop it doesn’t mean that the carbon plate is parallel to the soles surface.
@ashley1scott swing effect? The plate is just there to provide some structure to the super compliant foam... the curve helps a touch by taking pressure off the 1st MTP joint and intrinsics... just like any other super shoe except it's an asymmetrically bending plate so you can still dorsiflex the toes and corner properly.
Carbon is a rigid and snappy material that will try to snap back into place after deformation. When your shoe bends as you run, it bends the carbon fiber plate and the plate will naturally want to snap back into place giving you that bouncy, responsive, springy feel. It reduces some of the energy you would use to push off the ground as you run. The carbon plates that get put into running shoes are naturally curved which is how they help with the rolling process. It's not a flat plate that goes inside the foam, but one that is curved and helps promote your running form.
Have run in mine once so far. Really aggressive rocker compared to the first model, and way more energy return. Really comfortable as well.
It is definitely an improvement in the responsiveness. The added 3mm of stack height helps with the cushion and comfort. I really like this version as a successor to the Vanish Carbon.
I’ve been waiting for this review. I’m running a half marathon in the fall and this is the shoe I’m planning on running in. I wish there was a vanish tempo 2… but I guess I’ll have to wait longer for that one. Great review. Thanks for reviewing Altra shoes!
Not sure there will be a Tempo 2 sadly! I've stocked up in the meantime...
Thanks for watching our video! Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there are any plans for a Vanish Tempo 2.
I have multiple pairs of Tempos, A great do it all shoe for me.
I love these so much, it makes all other shoes ive ran in (hoka clifton's and mach 5/altra torin 6 and 7/a few pairs of adidas shoes) like donkey ball shoes. I am on the look out to buy a few more discounted pairs so i can just do all my road running training and competition in these. Also want to pass a pair of these to my dad because i feel like he would absolutely love them, would be his first pair of altra's. Since they are 2 tot 3mm drop if you measure from different measure points than altra uses themselfs i feel this makes them a good introduction to a far lesser heeldrop shoe (first Altra) than 99 out of a 100 running shoes.
Most breathable upper ive ever seen. This matters a lot to me, i think breathability is extremely important for long distance running. Hence these guys who do that 5000k 3000mileish run in New York cut out the toebox completly. Even read a website who wanted to give them more than 5 stars in that regard but couldnt.
The ankle tongue thing i have 0 problems with, i wear a little bit taller than no shows, works perfectly. Even with some basic nike socks, no real need for some more specialised falke socks or whatever.
It’s already available here in the UK. Ran 18 miles in it today. Good improvements to comfort and energy return with the foam. The plate and rocker geometry made it want to go fast. They are getting closer to the rest of the super shoe market. On the sizing it is a touch long but personally I wouldn’t suggest sizing down because of where the rocker starts, you could end up past the tipping point and benefit less.
Same foam as the first?
Thanks for watching. I also felt the 2 was a little bit long. However, my buddy Pat and one of my sales associates felt they were a little short on their feet, so take it with a grain of salt.
@@junglisttt It has the same EGO PRO midsole foam as the first. However, it does appear to have been modified slightly for the 2.
@@junglisttt No. And I’m intrigued by what it truly is as after that first run the way the exposed midsole is discolouring is similar to other PEBA based midsoles I have. Not exactly the same so maybe a blend
@@junglistttno, the foam is much softer on this new version.
Been looking for a review for this shoe all week. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this review. Seems i ordered the right shoe (has not arrived yet). Love my vanish carbon 1 but wouldn't mind a little more "altra-traditional" sizing. Also, looking to run longer and longer this shoe seems just right! A sigh of relief :)
Thank you for your great reviews. I was curious how the slim fit would factor into my purchase decision. I prefer the original fit for everything and hate how Altra has three widths instead of one standard fitting.
I was tempted to try these until you mentioned the back issues. Oddly enough, since my road rotation switched to Novablast 3 and Rebel 4, I've had zero back issues. I'll be curious to see your eval of the Hoka Speedgoat 6 vs. Timp 5.
For me, the zero drop doesn't work well with my body for running. It could just be a me thing but I always have had problems when running with zero drop. The Speedgoat 5 is one of my favorite trail shoes so I am excited for the 6's release.
How does the fit (slim/standard) compares to the Escalante (2.5 specifically)? I'm a bug fan of the 2.5
Is 36mm stack height too much? the full stack height trend is not suiting me well, I feel I can fall of the shoes...
While the Vanish Carbon 2 is categorized as a slim fit, I had no issues with the width. However, the Escalante will be noticeably wider. The stack height is significantly taller in the Carbon 2. 36mm from 24mm is a big jump for the cushioning underfoot. Especially with the responsiveness and bounce of the Vanish Carbon 2, it can feel a little flimsy compared to the Escalante.
Great review thanks ! I’m a hobbit with wide feet and am thinking about these for triathlon (half-iron distance) …what’s your view re running in them without socks and how easy they’d be to get on quickly ? (Any alternatives you’d consider if negative re no socks and easy to put on ?)
I need more colors damn it !!!!!!
This show worries me. After running 600 miles on the Paradigm 5s with the stability pod and really bouncy, responsive and supportive rubber. I bought the Paradigms 6s and got injured in them right before a marathon. Got plantar fasciitis and injured my Achilles. I realized it was because I kept the same mileage and intense training as I had with the 5s and the 6 could not support this as they are not as supportive and although they feal softer because of a softer sole, the softer cushion feels less supportive, responsive and bouncy. I ended running the marathon injured with the Vanish carbon in desperation. I was amazed that my feet didn't hurt. They also protected my feet and Achilles so well that I was able to run all 26 miles. After watching this video, I'm afraid to try the Vanish carbon 2 after what I experienced with the Paradigm 6 due to the softer foamy soles.
Increased the stack and also the price… The cut outs in the sole reminds me of the Altra Duo which picked stones like nothing else, what about this one?
I only ran with these on track so I can't say anything about getting rocks stuck in the outsole.
Waiting for the tempo 2
Unfortunately, it appears that there will be no Vanish Tempo 2.
@@RunMoore WHAT?! That sucks. I guess I'll stock up on the vanish when they are on sale.
The meta-endurance reviewer seems to like it more than any of the other super shoes. Best shoe at mile 20 for sure...
I also really like this shoe compared to a few of the other super-shoes I have tried.
Did you have any heel slip? The 1 was bad in this regard
Is it true to size? The reason I ask is that on the first version, my U.S. mens 10 1/2 was a little snug.
Mine felt fine in the width. The old one was definitely narrower. Lengthwise, I found my pair to run long on my foot. However, my friend Pat and one of my sales associates found them to fit short on their feet.
The first version definitely ran small for me. At least a size smaller than the Escalante.
I think this would be great at $180, but not $260.
Yes, it's an expensive shoe. But it is in line with everyone else's carbon offerings. I agree that the whole category is way too expensive and it really can separate the haves from the have-nots at races.
I've done 2 runs in mine and like them. Coming back from surgery, I'm probably not really cut out for carbon plate shoes [pace wise] but felt I had to try them (albeit at great cost.) I sized up to UK10.5 because the innersoles are 5mm shorter than another Altra size 10 i.e. Mount Blanc Carbon. I use a Vanish Tempo for training and the only difference I detect is the lighter weight and feel (for the VC2) but not the carbon plate. I haven't had any problem with the heel counter. I didn't like the original Mount Blanc heel counter but this feels much better despite looking similar.
Thanks for watching the video! Glad to hear you like how they feel.
Yikes! 9 oz for a carbon racer? My Sky Paris is 6.7 oz. Zach Bitter will probably enjoy the Vanish Carbon 2 but it's too heavy for me. I hope it's PEBA.
It is heavy for a racing shoe. I also wear a larger size compared to the usual size 9 standard for weight measurements. There is no information on what Altra's EGO PRO midsole foam is made out of.
@@RunMoore Thank you
@@RunMooresuper critical TPE is what they say.
Super critical TPEE they mentioned on doctors of running podcast. Aka PEBA
@@charles-h9e TPEE is thermopolyester elastomer (what adidas uses in lightstrike pro)... this is peba, a nitro TPE (thermoplastic elastomer)
When is the altra vanish 2 (sans plate or maybe with a plastic plate?) Coming?
Probably never.
The Vanish Tempo appears to be a one-and-done model. There are no plans for a Vanish Tempo 2.
I hope altra reads these comments. I, and many others, have asked when the vanish 2's are coming. Insane they aren't releasing a version 2.
@@wking8 the Vanish Tempo is an amazing shoe, i think overall my favourite do it all roadshoe from Altra
@@GTE_Channel It's my favorite long distance Altra. I have still unworn pairs of the torin 4.5 plush that I do for my everyday. That's my all time favorite running shoe.
I not understand how you can race fast in zero drop? I use altra for yers...ok for slow run with short strides and/ or high cadence ...but for speed run you do heel srtiking anyways
As much as I loved these shoes, I also had some lower back issues after 5 miles because of the zero drop.
You are not supposed to heel strike when you run fast, to be more efficient with running you should strike your foot on the ball of your foot or flat footed BUT strike your leg underneath your body instead of in front of your body. It's how olympic track runners run, trust me. If you don't trust me, just look up "how to run correctly" and you will probably get something lol
@slavassa can you explain what you mean by running fast you have to heel strike, I’m pretty sure that must of the Kenyan’s land mid foot with their heels coming down after the ball of the foot.
@@ashley1scott but majority of marathoners are heel strikers😅
@@slavasss2189 trust me, this shoe pushes you towards mid/forefoot running.
I not understand the phisycs....plate works as swing, and rolling effect....with zero drop how it should work? You are on hard flat carbon plate, so you can take bricks under foot...not sure i understand purpose of plate at all in altra....imho you need to have rocker and some drop
It’s possible to have a dropped plate location in a zero drop shoe. Just because the sole is zero drop it doesn’t mean that the carbon plate is parallel to the soles surface.
@@ashley1scott ok i see what u mean....probably swing effect will be not so pronounced
@ashley1scott swing effect? The plate is just there to provide some structure to the super compliant foam... the curve helps a touch by taking pressure off the 1st MTP joint and intrinsics... just like any other super shoe except it's an asymmetrically bending plate so you can still dorsiflex the toes and corner properly.
Carbon is a rigid and snappy material that will try to snap back into place after deformation. When your shoe bends as you run, it bends the carbon fiber plate and the plate will naturally want to snap back into place giving you that bouncy, responsive, springy feel. It reduces some of the energy you would use to push off the ground as you run. The carbon plates that get put into running shoes are naturally curved which is how they help with the rolling process. It's not a flat plate that goes inside the foam, but one that is curved and helps promote your running form.
@@RunMoore does it mean that the best technique with carbon plated shoes- for max effect- if HEEL striking?