The survivability is a big one for M+. I think that the passive 20% stamina that all strength specs were given with Dragonflight talent trees plays a huuge role when comparing them with the agility ones. Regardless of defensives, strength dps are threatened by waaaay less things. Up to a point they can even eat frontals. The only agility spec that is holding up survivability-wise is rogue. The rest ones are just a burden that the group has to keep alive with externals
Pretty accepted fact that tww has atrocious spec balance. Idc how cool undermine is, if things don't improve for havoc in S2 I'm just gonna drop the game for a while.
Such a depressing spot for havoc. Poor defensives, not a lot of team utility (darkness is a joke + 5 minutes for a chance to proc yikes), had our leech butchered, squishy, not enough dmg to compensate to be taken over a tankiner class who does similar/more dmg, doesn't really fit in melee only comp, can't do dmg while in nether unlike other classes etc. Depressing times to try and pug. Raider io must've forgotten about us like the devs..
Would a legion shadow priest play style be an effective remedy for havocs downtime? Trying to keep in meta as long as possible I know cycle of hatred is a thing but like outside of meta having fading dps buffs and stuff that you can try and maintain into your next meta
@@concretecountertop could be one avenue for fel scarred but I worry it’ll just devolve into uptime chasing like Aldrachi. Maybe as a “lasts X longer for every y fury spent in meta) kinda thing
people at blizz don't how to read these charts man. Make a guide from them " Read the freakin charts and numbers for dummies" maybe they will buff us before many of us leave the fukin game an unsub. spending 1h in Q .. tryin to get into a key .. for it to just fail (11-12+) .. yea I dont wanna pay 13 euros for that man. I SHOULD play the class that I enjoy the most and feel most comfortable playing, I don''t wanna roll to a meta class to enjoy doing dungeons.
Sigils suck, momentum gameplay sucks, Demon hunter kinda just sucks right now. Yeah they bring a useful debuff that makes sure you will bring one to raid night but PLAYING Demon Hunter is NOT fun right now. Blizz need to make some serious changes. an overhaul perhaps.
@@trollonme Im topping meters as havoc like every +12 key, doing 14s now, so i dont see your point. Doesnt change the fact you dont get any invites but thats another story.
Double the damage? But that just means that you arent very good at playing DH. He even shows the logs the difference is there but its like 15% more not 100%.
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Essence break is a total boner kill.
The survivability is a big one for M+. I think that the passive 20% stamina that all strength specs were given with Dragonflight talent trees plays a huuge role when comparing them with the agility ones. Regardless of defensives, strength dps are threatened by waaaay less things. Up to a point they can even eat frontals. The only agility spec that is holding up survivability-wise is rogue. The rest ones are just a burden that the group has to keep alive with externals
really like your analytic view about this. let's do a round table with blizzard DPS tuning leader ;)
Make demon slaying great again
@@Rabanthebrain yes
Pretty accepted fact that tww has atrocious spec balance. Idc how cool undermine is, if things don't improve for havoc in S2 I'm just gonna drop the game for a while.
Such a depressing spot for havoc. Poor defensives, not a lot of team utility (darkness is a joke + 5 minutes for a chance to proc yikes), had our leech butchered, squishy, not enough dmg to compensate to be taken over a tankiner class who does similar/more dmg, doesn't really fit in melee only comp, can't do dmg while in nether unlike other classes etc. Depressing times to try and pug. Raider io must've forgotten about us like the devs..
Would a legion shadow priest play style be an effective remedy for havocs downtime? Trying to keep in meta as long as possible I know cycle of hatred is a thing but like outside of meta having fading dps buffs and stuff that you can try and maintain into your next meta
@@concretecountertop could be one avenue for fel scarred but I worry it’ll just devolve into uptime chasing like Aldrachi. Maybe as a “lasts X longer for every y fury spent in meta) kinda thing
But our 3% chaos brand ...
just rolling class, i think blizz didnt care other class
people at blizz don't how to read these charts man. Make a guide from them " Read the freakin charts and numbers for dummies" maybe they will buff us before many of us leave the fukin game an unsub. spending 1h in Q .. tryin to get into a key .. for it to just fail (11-12+) .. yea I dont wanna pay 13 euros for that man. I SHOULD play the class that I enjoy the most and feel most comfortable playing, I don''t wanna roll to a meta class to enjoy doing dungeons.
Sigils suck, momentum gameplay sucks, Demon hunter kinda just sucks right now. Yeah they bring a useful debuff that makes sure you will bring one to raid night but PLAYING Demon Hunter is NOT fun right now. Blizz need to make some serious changes. an overhaul perhaps.
I'm not touching the game until they fix uhdk and havoc
Same there ! :)
The problem is u already subscribed for this month and that is what matters for blizzard
@@yasinaiden6588 actually not anymore and if things dosnt change not for the next season also.
we not doing good right now.
I'm not touching the game until they fix fdk and havoc
Whats there to fix for fdk?
According to m+ tier list one of the worst but yeah
Sad
playing survival instead of my havoc now, and im doing almost double the dps at a lower ilvl. lmfao.
@@trollonme do be like that
@VooDooSaurus once havoc is fixed I'll surely go back. Still my favorite class. Just can't bare to be at the bottom of all charts :(
@@trollonme Im topping meters as havoc like every +12 key, doing 14s now, so i dont see your point. Doesnt change the fact you dont get any invites but thats another story.
Double the damage? But that just means that you arent very good at playing DH. He even shows the logs the difference is there but its like 15% more not 100%.