Sounds like an interesting idea. Someone was saying that the ladies suits ought to faster since they cover more area of the body. Since you like experimenting and you have collected a lot of data on men suits we were wondering if for the sake of science you could kindly try one!
Great idea, Sonny! If you do have the opportunity to test again under better conditions, I also recommend doing a additional day where you 15 reps in the same suit with the same rest as for your multi-suit test (ideally taking the suit on and off each time, though with it being wet, this might end up being an impossible amount of work). I think you should know (1) your expected time variability between repeat reps to know what time difference between suits is significant and (2) how neural fatigue affects things throughout the day (even with 30 minutes or so, I'm sure your nerves are getting roasted by going all out for 9-10 seconds many times).
Yes all great points. If I was to do in one day I was going to test in a brief again to compare to first rep and see how much drop off. The reality is you’ll never get a perfect test. I think the closest is to do over a day with 30 odd minds between reps for full recovery. I bet even with this video my stroke count won’t be the same on every 25 etc. Also my start was funky in the first pool as my the bars on blocks got in my head.
@@TheSwimsuitGuy oh, if you have access to enough suits, you could get a couple of your friends to do it with you, and you each have a different order for the suits.
How is this a real test?? It’s 25s, no repeated attempts, and it looks like it’s on the same day. The only true way to test this is with multiple swimmers, on multiple days. No posting of reaction times either, which could easily make or break this whole test. Why are you not going off a reaction pad? It would at least pull one of the biggest variables away. Dating myself now but I learned how to setup a basic science experiment in 6th grade, 20 years ago. Way too many variables here. This isn’t a test at all, it’s neat, but no.
@@Darkshift317 He’s trying to give us the best feedback possible in a small time, I agree that is not 100% perfect if you compare the first 25 with the last 25(in physical condition), but the sensation in the water, compression, buoyancy and etc…will be almost the same. You don’t need to be too smart to understand the aim of this video, Sonny never disappoint us showing the true.
@ then it should be titled “Tech suits that feel good to me” Shouldn’t be making it out to be any sort of “test” either. The times are irrelevant to say the least. He could easily just say that the sponsor that gave him the most money has the fastest suit. There’s nothing here.
Damn… getting changed into all those suits for 9s in the pool at a time 😂 😂 Need to start a stop watch next experiment for how long it takes to get each suit on ha . Bloody knuckles too. Effort level was top notch here. Class 😎
i actually did time every suit on day 1, but decided not to put in the video. Was massively impacted by if a brand new suit or not, and how much I had dried off as well.
Thanks a lot👍👍👍 You are helping not only pros but amateurs also to choose. Comfortable equipment helps a lot. I finally found my best cap based on your great cap review.
if you are going to do it again, you need to do more than 1 dive 25 per suit, and a much larger sample size for the brief. I suspect each of these would be within the variability of your times in the brief. I'm not arguing that tech suits do not provide a performance advantage, simply that there are so many other confounding factors to try and account for, that the path to improved times is paved with the small boring things (sleep, nutrition, mental ork etc.).
I must object…. 1. I am not used to yards and think the time being used to figure it out could have allowed me to get faster. 2. I was equally as fresh in the Primo day 2 and the pool was the same. 3. A lot of factors in these tests were not great but I don’t think me being physically fresh for rep 1 was the reason that shit was the fastest (was technically 2nd 25 of the day and the Primo day 2 was first so I was fresher)
Great video, but I think an even better way to get more reliable results would be to do three or five runs in each suit, and then compare the average times. I’d also personally love to see you do this test for triathlon swim skins, as I have no idea which ones are actually fast, and I don’t know if anyone else knows either. Plus it would be a great way to expand your channel by bridging over to the triathlon community 😉 a swim suit is a swim suit.
Corrr its a hard task considering doing this again (which I need to do properly) but let alone 3-5x in each suit. To be honest the biggest issue in repeating and the reason I done in Flagstaff to begin with is that pools are not big fans of filming. In my local pool I have signed the permits to film etc but it is still dependent on what is happening in the pool (school lessons means no filming etc). On top of that I would have to hire a lane to be able to dive. Thats why somewhere like Gloria was a haven for me making videos. I hope to return there and if I do I will make sure i have every suit with me, maybe a brand new one for fairness. For triathlons you would ideally have to swim 1500 in each suit or at least a 100 ahah, but the longer you swim the more rest you would need and the more pacing variables would influence results. TBH i wanted to make a fun video, I think I achieved that but would love to make something a little more data driven which I am also a nerd for.
Yeah i completely get that with filming at pools, it would be literally impossible for me where i train, and I didn’t even think about the blocks. But also fair play to you, it was a very fun and entertaining video, I watched it the whole way through with a lot of interest in the times even though I’ve got no interest in buying a pair of these (those prices are also eye watering!). But half way through I couldn’t help but feel fatigue would be playing a factor in the results, and I also thought it was interesting that no one else on TH-cam has done anything like this before, and of course who better to do it than you. It’s a lot more common in cycling and running - people like to compare how much time a certain race wheel, or running shoe is going to save them over another. If you were to do this again - and I think you should ;) - I would suggest you test no more than two shorts per video, like a head to head, plus a third pair as a baseline which is your Arena Icon briefs, to see how much faster you are in the race shorts compared to the icons on that particular day. This way you could do 3-5 repeats in each shorts for a reliable average time, it wouldn’t take you anywhere near as long to test, you wouldn’t be so fatigued, and yet i guarantee people would be very interested in the results. You could essentially get another ten or so videos out of this one, with better results. As for the triathlon suits, I would do exactly the same, but with intervals of 100m, which would be more than enough to indicate which would be faster over longer distances, and by how much. Get to it lad, I’ll definitely be tuned in! 😉🍿
@@inntw4889 thanks for the comment, I like the head to head idea, always start with a base line brief 25, then day 1 Suit X starts, day 2 suit Y starts. I could have a knock out bracket going forward as well!
hey sonny. how come you don’t recommend warming up in your suit? I usually do a big warm up then go and suit up and then 15-20 minutes before my race do a small warm up in the suit just to get the muscles moving again or else i feel tight. is there a benefit to not warming up in the suit?
What is your size for the japanese arena aquaforce storm CP jammer? I’m wondering what would be my size. I wear size 30 for arena international tech suits.
There seems to be something fashion or aesthetic about men tech swim suits. I see many kids adults and even club swimmers ( not top level swimmers) wear them when they are actually training for an hour. As if they do not want to be seen wearing briefs. I understand that they make a difference in a race. They also last longer if only used for races. Do you find them comfortable for a full training session? In this respect girls are totally opposite. Hardly anyone wears one for training.
The suits you're seeing are standard textile jammers rather than tech suits. They can look similar to a tech suit, but they have way less compression, no buoyancy, no specialized taping to assist the glutes & hamstrings, and don't repel water or have special textures to reduce drag. They cost from about 1/6 to 1/10 the price of a tech suit. Where I live & train (East coast, US), I'd say jammers are most popular with men over 25 who swim on their own, especially if they didn't previously swim competitively. Briefs are more popular in masters groups, but some of the older guys will wear jammers. Some kids will use them early on in club swimming, but all wear briefs once they get more advanced.
@@dg5301 Thank you dg. I got it now. Appreciated the feedback. I do get funny comments from the youngsters “ he’s got his speedo on’ I am still stuck in the early 1980s and find the brief very comfortable.
How is this a real test?? It’s 25s, no repeated attempts, and it looks like it’s on the same day. The only true way to test this is with multiple swimmers, on multiple days. No posting of reaction times either, which could easily make or break this whole test. Why are you not going off a reaction pad? It would at least pull one of the biggest variables away. You’re even changing lanes… changed pools… how many variables are even here?! lol! Dating myself now but I learned how to setup a basic science experiment in 6th grade, 20 years ago. Way too many variables. This isn’t a test at all, it’s neat, but no.
Your right changing lanes makes a big difference 😂 Also did you watch the whole video, I clearly state this is obviously not a good test and how I do want to repeat without such variability. I also time everything electronically from foot leave so reaction time wasn’t a factor, again stated in video if you watched.
@@TheSwimsuitGuy not watching or listening to every single word when it’s just a cash grab video. Cmon man. Get off your high horse. You really think changing lanes to the one that didn’t have a lane line in it doesn’t matter? There were swims where you had waves and ones where you didn’t. That alone matters. For you to brush that off shows me a lot. post the reaction times, that’s the basis for your entire video. You clearly have never swam at Irvine. That huge gutter on the side allows for flatter water. Some of the fastest swims are on the outside lanes in that pool.
@@TheSwimsuitGuy also you could easily just say that whoever gave you the biggest sponsor ship bonus has the fastest suit, cmon man. Have some integrity.
@@Darkshift317 I’ve never taken a suit sponsor in the name of integrity….. how is this is a cash grab video? I’ve made zero money (not put a sponsor on this video), it was a bit of fun and a challenge instead of an in depth test…
@@TheSwimsuitGuyyou get money from TH-cam and it’s views. (Cash grab) Plus we have no idea what you do behind the scenes and there’s no way for you to prove it either. By putting the times down someone, somewhere, will think that they should buy the “fastest” suit. That is morally wrong. We would not be having this discussion if you simply left out the times. This video is a simple test of your personal preferences and nothing else.
I'm sorry, but this is not a valid test. It's a fun video, but you can't compare suits like this. There's too much human involvement, and the condition of different pools makes it invalid. I wish there were a more mechanical way to test the suits under exact conditions.
@@TheSwimsuitGuyThank you for your reply! Your videos have been incredibly helpful in choosing suits. I've always appreciated your take on Mizuno suits over the years, so I was a bit disappointed they didn’t rank higher in your tests. That’s why I mentioned it and might be biased. :)
Find out which tech suit to buy - www.theswimsuitguy.co.uk/which-tech-suit-should-i-buy/wix-location/to
it's kind of cool and everything. But, have you tried women's tech suits?
I never have ahahha
Sounds like an interesting idea. Someone was saying that the ladies suits ought to faster since they cover more area of the body. Since you like experimenting and you have collected a lot of data on men suits we were wondering if for the sake of science you could kindly try one!
Call in a favour from Siobhan Haughey and get it done!
Great idea, Sonny!
If you do have the opportunity to test again under better conditions, I also recommend doing a additional day where you 15 reps in the same suit with the same rest as for your multi-suit test (ideally taking the suit on and off each time, though with it being wet, this might end up being an impossible amount of work). I think you should know (1) your expected time variability between repeat reps to know what time difference between suits is significant and (2) how neural fatigue affects things throughout the day (even with 30 minutes or so, I'm sure your nerves are getting roasted by going all out for 9-10 seconds many times).
Yes all great points. If I was to do in one day I was going to test in a brief again to compare to first rep and see how much drop off.
The reality is you’ll never get a perfect test. I think the closest is to do over a day with 30 odd minds between reps for full recovery.
I bet even with this video my stroke count won’t be the same on every 25 etc.
Also my start was funky in the first pool as my the bars on blocks got in my head.
@@TheSwimsuitGuy oh, if you have access to enough suits, you could get a couple of your friends to do it with you, and you each have a different order for the suits.
Thank you! ❤
We really appreciate your work 👍
Our pleasure!
Real test = Real results
Thanks Sonny 👊🏽
You bet
How is this a real test?? It’s 25s, no repeated attempts, and it looks like it’s on the same day.
The only true way to test this is with multiple swimmers, on multiple days. No posting of reaction times either, which could easily make or break this whole test. Why are you not going off a reaction pad? It would at least pull one of the biggest variables away.
Dating myself now but I learned how to setup a basic science experiment in 6th grade, 20 years ago. Way too many variables here.
This isn’t a test at all, it’s neat, but no.
@@Darkshift317 He’s trying to give us the best feedback possible in a small time, I agree that is not 100% perfect if you compare the first 25 with the last 25(in physical condition), but the sensation in the water, compression, buoyancy and etc…will be almost the same. You don’t need to be too smart to understand the aim of this video, Sonny never disappoint us showing the true.
100%
@ then it should be titled “Tech suits that feel good to me”
Shouldn’t be making it out to be any sort of “test” either. The times are irrelevant to say the least.
He could easily just say that the sponsor that gave him the most money has the fastest suit. There’s nothing here.
Damn… getting changed into all those suits for 9s in the pool at a time 😂 😂
Need to start a stop watch next experiment for how long it takes to get each suit on ha .
Bloody knuckles too. Effort level was top notch here. Class 😎
i actually did time every suit on day 1, but decided not to put in the video. Was massively impacted by if a brand new suit or not, and how much I had dried off as well.
Thanks a lot👍👍👍
You are helping not only pros but amateurs also to choose.
Comfortable equipment helps a lot.
I finally found my best cap based on your great cap review.
respect the time you suited these techsuits up and took video for us man!
Was way harder than I thought
@ if i was you, my thigh got rib for sure, cause i’m racing in 2 size down techsuit 😅
Could you please provide the size info for each suit? It would be great to compare different suit brands and their size.
arena brief - 32
Aquaforce CP and MF - L
arena Carbon Air, Glide, Primo - 28
Mizunos - L
Speedos - 24
TYRs - 25
Finis - 22
You're a true rockstar. I want to get a Mizuno so bad
Looking forward to the new full test at Gloria .. I would imagine the results will be very different
Awesome video,Shane the conditions are not the same for every suit but oh well thanks for this
Circumstances were unforeseen 🤦
Mizuno take a lot of beating.
if you are going to do it again, you need to do more than 1 dive 25 per suit, and a much larger sample size for the brief.
I suspect each of these would be within the variability of your times in the brief.
I'm not arguing that tech suits do not provide a performance advantage, simply that there are so many other confounding factors to try and account for, that the path to improved times is paved with the small boring things (sleep, nutrition, mental ork etc.).
Agree on the points ie testing but…..
I think the 0.3 per 25 for tech suit vs brief is easily on the lower end if anything…
Right when he showed all of the tech suits from all of the companies I knew it was going to be a good video.
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Ripping suits and ripping yards 🔥
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can you do a test/review of all of the different dome caps that are offered by each brand? I feel like that would be a good video to watch
I have two videos comparing multiple swim caps. The TLDR is buy this…
www.theswimsuitguy.co.uk/product-page/arena-x-theswimsuitguy-aquaforce-wave-cap
what a surprise the one you wore first when u were fresh won
I must object….
1. I am not used to yards and think the time being used to figure it out could have allowed me to get faster.
2. I was equally as fresh in the Primo day 2 and the pool was the same.
3. A lot of factors in these tests were not great but I don’t think me being physically fresh for rep 1 was the reason that shit was the fastest (was technically 2nd 25 of the day and the Primo day 2 was first so I was fresher)
Where do the Mizuno neo sl and ag fit amongst these for compression?
AG at bottom end. SL low/middle
Great video, but I think an even better way to get more reliable results would be to do three or five runs in each suit, and then compare the average times.
I’d also personally love to see you do this test for triathlon swim skins, as I have no idea which ones are actually fast, and I don’t know if anyone else knows either.
Plus it would be a great way to expand your channel by bridging over to the triathlon community 😉 a swim suit is a swim suit.
Corrr its a hard task considering doing this again (which I need to do properly) but let alone 3-5x in each suit. To be honest the biggest issue in repeating and the reason I done in Flagstaff to begin with is that pools are not big fans of filming.
In my local pool I have signed the permits to film etc but it is still dependent on what is happening in the pool (school lessons means no filming etc). On top of that I would have to hire a lane to be able to dive. Thats why somewhere like Gloria was a haven for me making videos. I hope to return there and if I do I will make sure i have every suit with me, maybe a brand new one for fairness.
For triathlons you would ideally have to swim 1500 in each suit or at least a 100 ahah, but the longer you swim the more rest you would need and the more pacing variables would influence results.
TBH i wanted to make a fun video, I think I achieved that but would love to make something a little more data driven which I am also a nerd for.
Yeah i completely get that with filming at pools, it would be literally impossible for me where i train, and I didn’t even think about the blocks. But also fair play to you, it was a very fun and entertaining video, I watched it the whole way through with a lot of interest in the times even though I’ve got no interest in buying a pair of these (those prices are also eye watering!). But half way through I couldn’t help but feel fatigue would be playing a factor in the results, and I also thought it was interesting that no one else on TH-cam has done anything like this before, and of course who better to do it than you. It’s a lot more common in cycling and running - people like to compare how much time a certain race wheel, or running shoe is going to save them over another. If you were to do this again - and I think you should ;) - I would suggest you test no more than two shorts per video, like a head to head, plus a third pair as a baseline which is your Arena Icon briefs, to see how much faster you are in the race shorts compared to the icons on that particular day. This way you could do 3-5 repeats in each shorts for a reliable average time, it wouldn’t take you anywhere near as long to test, you wouldn’t be so fatigued, and yet i guarantee people would be very interested in the results. You could essentially get another ten or so videos out of this one, with better results. As for the triathlon suits, I would do exactly the same, but with intervals of 100m, which would be more than enough to indicate which would be faster over longer distances, and by how much. Get to it lad, I’ll definitely be tuned in! 😉🍿
@@inntw4889 thanks for the comment, I like the head to head idea, always start with a base line brief 25, then day 1 Suit X starts, day 2 suit Y starts. I could have a knock out bracket going forward as well!
There you go, that sounds sick! I’m already waiting to see which ones make it into the finals ;)
Then for series 2, triathlon skins! Lool ;)
was thinking about getting a primo; do you think the compression would be too much to use it with fins because i also do lifesaving competitions
Not at all try it
Good effort!! Great idea!
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thanks！i love your video!!
I'm so glad!
Hello, I need your help, because I don't know which swimsuit to buy. Could you help me?
Sonny cheers mate
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hey sonny. how come you don’t recommend warming up in your suit? I usually do a big warm up then go and suit up and then 15-20 minutes before my race do a small warm up in the suit just to get the muscles moving again or else i feel tight. is there a benefit to not warming up in the suit?
wet suits on your muscles dot optimise performance, do your second warm up then put a suit on after a quick dry?
How much more do you like the sonic 6 nv than the aquaforce cp for 50 free?
Very interesting testing
Interesting ahahah
Stellar vid
Would love to see this in a meter pool
You gotta review the arena CP now
its uploading as we comment
What is your size for the japanese arena aquaforce storm CP jammer? I’m wondering what would be my size. I wear size 30 for arena international tech suits.
I’m a L and wear 28 in international.
Can you modify the altitude experiment and swim in treacle please?
Not sure I could swim a 25 in treacle ahah
U had the worst starts for the Speedo suits, someone’s a bit biased
I really hope this is a joke comment 😂😂😂
@ it’s not, you entered sideways u tart
Sonny mate where can you buy the arena aquaforce storm cp?
Buyee
@ cheers mate
I can not find it on buyee
@@thatcdm go yahoo shopping and the search it
There seems to be something fashion or aesthetic about men tech swim suits. I see many kids adults and even club swimmers ( not top level swimmers) wear them when they are actually training for an hour. As if they do not want to be seen wearing briefs. I understand that they make a difference in a race. They also last longer if only used for races. Do you find them comfortable for a full training session? In this respect girls are totally opposite. Hardly anyone wears one for training.
The suits you're seeing are standard textile jammers rather than tech suits. They can look similar to a tech suit, but they have way less compression, no buoyancy, no specialized taping to assist the glutes & hamstrings, and don't repel water or have special textures to reduce drag. They cost from about 1/6 to 1/10 the price of a tech suit.
Where I live & train (East coast, US), I'd say jammers are most popular with men over 25 who swim on their own, especially if they didn't previously swim competitively. Briefs are more popular in masters groups, but some of the older guys will wear jammers. Some kids will use them early on in club swimming, but all wear briefs once they get more advanced.
Men wear jammers but not tech suits. They can be long lasting and mostly for swimmers not liking the look of briefs.
@ thank Sir. Now I know what you mean.
@@dg5301 Thank you dg. I got it now. Appreciated the feedback. I do get funny comments from the youngsters “ he’s got his speedo on’ I am still stuck in the early 1980s and find the brief very comfortable.
What do you think is the best arena that is not the primo
Air2
Arena Carbon Air 2 it's €260.00 and now at the moment its at €182.00
That’s a great deal!
Wedge is worth .30 drop in my experience
Carbon FX is missed!!
Don’t think it’s a relevant suit anymore
@ Why so ?? Is it slower than Aquaforce and Carbon air2 ?
Is there really a difference in speed with different suits ❓
Yes
Hey mate lovely to see how much did this whole video cost
Fortunately I got provided the suits but you can add up all the costs.
Goat 🐐
Your too kind
No carbon core fx? Aren’t they still make that suit?
How can I find the size of the suits 😂
arena brief - 32
Aquaforce CP and MF - L
arena Carbon Air, Glide, Primo - 28
Mizunos - L
Speedos - 24
TYRs - 25
Finis - 22
Your a legend cheers
Can you do the same in breaststroke❤
Would take twice as long with my breaststroke ahahah.
But i do want to repeat this one day! Maybe with another stroke!
@@TheSwimsuitGuy 🤣 sound good 😊
@@TheSwimsuitGuy end stil wit " your breaststroke" you have a British record in the with your friends
If I am not wrong
@@swimnerd-s9q your not, I forget this agahah
@@TheSwimsuitGuy I am just a kid (14 yr) so I will probably won't get it but what is stopping you from doing another video like this ?
How is this a real test?? It’s 25s, no repeated attempts, and it looks like it’s on the same day.
The only true way to test this is with multiple swimmers, on multiple days. No posting of reaction times either, which could easily make or break this whole test. Why are you not going off a reaction pad? It would at least pull one of the biggest variables away.
You’re even changing lanes… changed pools… how many variables are even here?! lol!
Dating myself now but I learned how to setup a basic science experiment in 6th grade, 20 years ago. Way too many variables.
This isn’t a test at all, it’s neat, but no.
Your right changing lanes makes a big difference 😂
Also did you watch the whole video, I clearly state this is obviously not a good test and how I do want to repeat without such variability.
I also time everything electronically from foot leave so reaction time wasn’t a factor, again stated in video if you watched.
@@TheSwimsuitGuy not watching or listening to every single word when it’s just a cash grab video. Cmon man. Get off your high horse.
You really think changing lanes to the one that didn’t have a lane line in it doesn’t matter? There were swims where you had waves and ones where you didn’t.
That alone matters. For you to brush that off shows me a lot.
post the reaction times, that’s the basis for your entire video.
You clearly have never swam at Irvine. That huge gutter on the side allows for flatter water. Some of the fastest swims are on the outside lanes in that pool.
@@TheSwimsuitGuy also you could easily just say that whoever gave you the biggest sponsor ship bonus has the fastest suit, cmon man.
Have some integrity.
@@Darkshift317 I’ve never taken a suit sponsor in the name of integrity….. how is this is a cash grab video? I’ve made zero money (not put a sponsor on this video), it was a bit of fun and a challenge instead of an in depth test…
@@TheSwimsuitGuyyou get money from TH-cam and it’s views. (Cash grab) Plus we have no idea what you do behind the scenes and there’s no way for you to prove it either.
By putting the times down someone, somewhere, will think that they should buy the “fastest” suit.
That is morally wrong.
We would not be having this discussion if you simply left out the times.
This video is a simple test of your personal preferences and nothing else.
earlyyyy
I'm sorry, but this is not a valid test. It's a fun video, but you can't compare suits like this. There's too much human involvement, and the condition of different pools makes it invalid. I wish there were a more mechanical way to test the suits under exact conditions.
There is, swim Netherlands have a great system but won’t publish results as they have sponsors, it’s very cool
@@TheSwimsuitGuyThank you for your reply! Your videos have been incredibly helpful in choosing suits. I've always appreciated your take on Mizuno suits over the years, so I was a bit disappointed they didn’t rank higher in your tests. That’s why I mentioned it and might be biased. :)
😮 first=📌?