Slight correction: Kim Junwoo was the second place finisher in the 800 free NOT Kim Woomin who only swam the 400. Thanks to the commenters that pointed that out and props to Kim Junwoo for a GUTSY 800 swim with that quick opening.
Maybe one day Pan will say, "Oh, stuff it. I'll go by one name like Pele or Bono or Madonna. Call me PAN!" And he will likely have that international star power (if not already) to carry it off. Then again, I think even with "Pan" there is some debate whether it's more pronounced like "pawn" than the usual English variant of "pan."
In one of his interview he said that he used these 400 & 800 m races to improve his aerobic capacity & improve his turns. Another interview he said that he was not quite good at turns, diving off the blocks and the underwater kicks when comparing with other swimmer, which may explain why he wanted to improve his turns & not quite good at short corse yet.
To piggyback off of your sharing his relevations in recent interviews, I echo your highlights. He has always admitted that his flaws are his starts (though his reaction times are not bad - not the fastest but slowest either) and turns. Bobby Hurley, the swimming commentator for the Peacock livestream, noted his turns in the 100 were "sloppy," but on top of the water, he has the best technique among freestylers. He also kept mentioning about Pan "double-breathing" right off the turn in the 400 and 800, which I finally was able to see what he was referring to. Pan breathes on his right as soon as he pops out of the water and then breathes again on his normal side on the left stroke. Bobby said that Pan would lose about 3 strokes from that double-breathing, implying that it slows him down. Further, up to the short course World Cup series, he had only 2 weeks of training, as he had been sidetracked with China's organized interviews, media appearances and the tour through Hong Kong and Macau. So, he's basically treating the World Cup series as his training (which is likely one reason he's not bothered at all by the losses in his 100m free specialty). (Then again, he has a healthy attitude about imperfection and not always winning but simply doing his best then and there.) Winning is icing on the cake. With the 400 and 800, they were extensions of his aerobic training and perfecting his turns with the increased turns for those longer distances. He's always aware of flaws here and there that needs tweaking. As for Swim Scribe's questions, he does intend to compete seriously in the longer distances of 200 and 400 internationally (he competes in those distances in the domestic and Asian games). He didn't give a timeline, so we'll have to see on the upcoming World Championship next year. Yeah, it is exciting!
@@xoxofilia7986 Bobby calls swimming races for broadcasts from NBC, which Peacock is under. Peacock has the American rights to broadcast. He's very observant and comments like a coach, so he's insightful whether one is merely a fan or an amateur swimmer. He's always giving tips to swim better. I learned that he has/had worked as a coach with several swimmers under his tutelage. I believe he coaches in Singapore. He used to be a competitive swimmer, specializing in short course. Now you can catch uploads of the English broadcast commented by Bobby. Pan's fans have been uploading them, so just search for "Pan Zhanle" and click on "Recently Uploaded" to narrow the results. Then look for titles of "English" I can't post the link of the channels, as my earlier message has been hidden (basically blocked).
@@xoxofilia7986 Apparently youtube doesn't like my original reply to you. So the official and "legal" method is Peacock. Otherwise, just search around for Pan's videos. You should be able to see the races with Bobby commenting.
Pan just won the 100m freestyle at the Singapore meet, and it seems he’s been testing different strategies and events to get more comfortable with the short course. For his recent win, he shortened his underwater kicks and leaned into his powerful, efficient stroke to take the race. Hopefully, he’ll continue to improve on turns and underwater kicks, with an eye on breaking the short-course world record someday.
What do you think of his 200 free? I don't like the short course for him, as the ratio of underwater to surface does not showcase his strokes and kick above or on the surface of the water. Nevertheless, as he intended, the World Cup had allowed him good practice on his turns, so he can blow our minds for next summer's long course World Championship. It'll be interesting for this December's short course World Championship.
I don't think he will ever hold the short course record. His long course swimming is crazy, but you can clearly see there he's just better at swimming. He pulls away the second half of every 25. A bit like Pieter van den Hoogenband. He's a pure swimmer.
He said with SC, Chinese swimmers generally struggle with turns and underwaters. They don’t have enough practice or competition experience. And he is definitely not as fit as he was in Paris (note the belly in Shanghai 🙊). So this was more of a practice for him rather than trying to wow the world. He said specifically he wanted to work on his aerobic strength with the longer distances. Though with no intention to win, he still managed to do so in Incheon with the 400 and 800!
Yep... after paris he's been so busy with all the china schedule interview & media appearance everything... he maybe living his best life for a while after paris(noticed his belly too😅) too,maybe trying to enjoy himself after months of busy training & controlled what he cat eat before the olympics...he only train for two weeks before short course world cup...
He definitely was. Whether by plan, his 400m splits seem to indicate as such. He never truly ratcheted up any part of his swim, not even the last 50m which his 400m in Incheon was 13.27+12.31. His full splits for the Singapore 400m: 11.44/13.33/13.67/13.95/13.75/13.79/13.64/13.77 (200m)/13.61/13.87/13.64/13.91/13.97/14.27/14.20/13.98 (400m) His last 100m of Incheon's 400m: 13.77/13.91/13.27/12.31 Per @星星熠熠xingyi: "Final 50m today is 14.20+13.98. However, in Incheon, 400m final 50m is 13.27+12.31 and 800m final 50m is 13.27+12.53. Appears he wasn't giving Duncan a run for the money at all. Another practice run.
Like you said in previous videos, he used to be a distance swimmer (15:33 in the 1500 at 14 years old). 2:33 Correction, different Kim in this race (Kim Junwoo who is 17 years old as opposed to Kim Woomin who is 23 years old). Based on these results, it is possible that Pan could take the 200 free much more seriously instead of just bombing the heats on purpose. Based on his 7:59 in the 800, 3:45 in the 400, 1:44 in the 200, 46.4 in the 100, and 21.9 in the 50, the 200 seems like his best chance at a second event in his lineup (assuming he doesn't sandbag it). His technique doesn't seem suited for the 50 where not breathing is key (he's great at freestyle breathing, the complete opposite of Michael Andrew who is great at not breathing in freestyle but can't swim breathing freestyle). The 400 in LCM seems too long for him as a sprinter to challenge for the gold at major championships (recovery in between rounds where he would need a 3:45 or faster just to qualify for the final).
Yep, Shane Gould at the age of 14 and then 15 in the years 1971 and 1972 held every female freestyle long course world record AT THE SAME TIME at 100 m, 200 m, 400 m, 800 m and 1500 m. No one else comes close...Ian Thorpe was fairly close but he never really was a true 100 m sprinter nor attempted the 1500 m, but he held the long course world record in the 200 m, 400 m and the 800m....and used to anchor the 4 x 100 m relay, which he memorably did in the Sydney 2000 Olympics to overtake Gary Hall Jr and win gold for Australia..
@@BG-id2cv world record in 100m,200,400, 800, 1500m ... how was that humanly possible ??? Was australia that much advanced back then to develop advanced EPOS /PEDs
@@sint2548 Cause they're talking about the freestyle events, Phelps was only an elite freestyle swimmer in the 200m, do you even know the events Phelps was good at ?
He got noticed by the Chinese National Team in his junior days for his exploits in the 1500m. In an interview with the Chinese media after Shanghai meet, he said he didn't train for the 100m but rather for the 400m and 800m. I take it that he is experimenting with different courses.
😂😂No，It's impossible. I watched his interview in Singapore, and he said he only uses the 800m and 400m freestyle as aerobic training. He is still far from the top athletes in these events. In the interview, he mentioned that aerobic capacity plays a big role in the last 50 meters of the 100m. Besides 100mf，he said his biggest potential lies in the 200mf.
Never at elite levels. A 100m sprinter can be also very good at 400m max as it is still a sprint event, but the 800m would be mid distance. 800m runners usually also run 1500m, 3k, or even 5k. Swimming 800m is considered long distance rather than mid though, similar to running 3km at track.
I try the best I can. The issue is that the way I learn most pronunciations is by listening to those commentating the race, however is seems most English speaking commentators pronounce his name slightly differently. I tried listening to this commentator to hopefully learn a more accurate pronunciation: th-cam.com/video/AcHrEPyJRno/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IP3F9NMjxJUmvUBm I realize now that I ended up saying it with a pretty harsh “O” sound at the end of the name which isn’t really how I intended it. That sometimes happens with some names whenever I say them while also recording a chunk of script. Some viewers know that I used to have a problem of pronouncing the G in Mollie O Callaghan, I 100% KNEW that the G is silent, but for whatever reason I kept accidentally saying it. If any native speakers would be kind enough to break down the proper pronunciation, or link a video that actually says it correctly, I would be greatly appreciative. I obviously want to be as accurate as possible, ESPECIALLY with a swimmer as high profile as Pan.
Pan - is pronounced as pun, similar to run, cut, but. Zhan - likewise, the a here carries the ah sound like run - so it is pronounced as z-ah-n. Le - the e is pronounced the same way as stronger, higher, without the r sound of course. Hope it helps.
Chinese swimmers had tested positive for TMZ, a powerful performance-enhancing heart drug. Nothing was made public at the time. The case was first publicised in April 2024 by the German TV station ARD and the New York Times, by which point many of those listed as affected had competed at Tokyo 2020. Eleven of those named in the reports were competing in Paris Olympics.
WADA has explained ad nauseum about the whole debacle. TMZ is a hormone is almost all meats we eat. Chinese swimmers were tested several times a day during the Paris Olympics because ignorance is hard to overcome. In any case, Pan was NOT part of the swimmers that tested positive, so unless you want to people to be just guilty by association like the good old racist days, then your comment has no reason to be here.
With this World Cup as Pan's practice run and training to improve his turns, it will pay dividends for his more naturally fitting long course (pool) competitions. It all tantalizes the imagination of how low he will bring 46.4 down to. My brain is dancing at the thought!!
![Pan Zhanle wins 800m freestyle and breaks the record! [EN/CH] The sky’s the limit for Pan Zhanle.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YVwTUALfoRI/mqdefault.jpg)
![Pan Zhanle wins 800m freestyle and breaks the record! [EN/CH] The sky’s the limit for Pan Zhanle.](/img/tr.png)
Slight correction: Kim Junwoo was the second place finisher in the 800 free NOT Kim Woomin who only swam the 400.
Thanks to the commenters that pointed that out and props to Kim Junwoo for a GUTSY 800 swim with that quick opening.
My favorite thing is that we get a new pronunciation of Zhanle each video
lol
Zhanloo
I know how racist right!?
Maybe one day Pan will say, "Oh, stuff it. I'll go by one name like Pele or Bono or Madonna. Call me PAN!" And he will likely have that international star power (if not already) to carry it off.
Then again, I think even with "Pan" there is some debate whether it's more pronounced like "pawn" than the usual English variant of "pan."
@@someone5002 Trust every English broadcaster and youtuber to butcher his name, but they'll get Antetokounmpo right.
"Humanly impossible! He should give his world record to the previous guy!"
*Check notes*
It's the same guy.
In one of his interview he said that he used these 400 & 800 m races to improve his aerobic capacity & improve his turns.
Another interview he said that he was not quite good at turns, diving off the blocks and the underwater kicks when comparing with other swimmer, which may explain why he wanted to improve his turns & not quite good at short corse yet.
To piggyback off of your sharing his relevations in recent interviews, I echo your highlights. He has always admitted that his flaws are his starts (though his reaction times are not bad - not the fastest but slowest either) and turns. Bobby Hurley, the swimming commentator for the Peacock livestream, noted his turns in the 100 were "sloppy," but on top of the water, he has the best technique among freestylers.
He also kept mentioning about Pan "double-breathing" right off the turn in the 400 and 800, which I finally was able to see what he was referring to. Pan breathes on his right as soon as he pops out of the water and then breathes again on his normal side on the left stroke. Bobby said that Pan would lose about 3 strokes from that double-breathing, implying that it slows him down.
Further, up to the short course World Cup series, he had only 2 weeks of training, as he had been sidetracked with China's organized interviews, media appearances and the tour through Hong Kong and Macau.
So, he's basically treating the World Cup series as his training (which is likely one reason he's not bothered at all by the losses in his 100m free specialty). (Then again, he has a healthy attitude about imperfection and not always winning but simply doing his best then and there.) Winning is icing on the cake.
With the 400 and 800, they were extensions of his aerobic training and perfecting his turns with the increased turns for those longer distances. He's always aware of flaws here and there that needs tweaking.
As for Swim Scribe's questions, he does intend to compete seriously in the longer distances of 200 and 400 internationally (he competes in those distances in the domestic and Asian games). He didn't give a timeline, so we'll have to see on the upcoming World Championship next year.
Yeah, it is exciting!
@@someone5002 wow, esse texto me prendeu, obrigada.
@@someone5002where can i see bobby hurley commented about him.
@@xoxofilia7986 Bobby calls swimming races for broadcasts from NBC, which Peacock is under. Peacock has the American rights to broadcast. He's very observant and comments like a coach, so he's insightful whether one is merely a fan or an amateur swimmer. He's always giving tips to swim better.
I learned that he has/had worked as a coach with several swimmers under his tutelage. I believe he coaches in Singapore. He used to be a competitive swimmer, specializing in short course.
Now you can catch uploads of the English broadcast commented by Bobby. Pan's fans have been uploading them, so just search for "Pan Zhanle" and click on "Recently Uploaded" to narrow the results. Then look for titles of "English"
I can't post the link of the channels, as my earlier message has been hidden (basically blocked).
@@xoxofilia7986 Apparently youtube doesn't like my original reply to you. So the official and "legal" method is Peacock.
Otherwise, just search around for Pan's videos. You should be able to see the races with Bobby commenting.
Solid analysis. His speed over the water is simply incredible.
Pan just won the 100m freestyle at the Singapore meet, and it seems he’s been testing different strategies and events to get more comfortable with the short course. For his recent win, he shortened his underwater kicks and leaned into his powerful, efficient stroke to take the race. Hopefully, he’ll continue to improve on turns and underwater kicks, with an eye on breaking the short-course world record someday.
What do you think of his 200 free?
I don't like the short course for him, as the ratio of underwater to surface does not showcase his strokes and kick above or on the surface of the water.
Nevertheless, as he intended, the World Cup had allowed him good practice on his turns, so he can blow our minds for next summer's long course World Championship.
It'll be interesting for this December's short course World Championship.
I don't think he will ever hold the short course record. His long course swimming is crazy, but you can clearly see there he's just better at swimming. He pulls away the second half of every 25. A bit like Pieter van den Hoogenband. He's a pure swimmer.
PAN JUST SHOWED US WHY IT IS HE CAN HAVE A CRAZY BACK 50 IN THE 100M RACE.
He said with SC, Chinese swimmers generally struggle with turns and underwaters. They don’t have enough practice or competition experience. And he is definitely not as fit as he was in Paris (note the belly in Shanghai 🙊). So this was more of a practice for him rather than trying to wow the world. He said specifically he wanted to work on his aerobic strength with the longer distances. Though with no intention to win, he still managed to do so in Incheon with the 400 and 800!
Yep... after paris he's been so busy with all the china schedule interview & media appearance everything... he maybe living his best life for a while after paris(noticed his belly too😅) too,maybe trying to enjoy himself after months of busy training & controlled what he cat eat before the olympics...he only train for two weeks before short course world cup...
he might have been pregnant
I know nothing about swimming competition n i'm not even know how to swim but watching pan zhanle swims quite a theraphy to me...he's like dolphin
He just won 100 and 200 in Singapore
A superfish from China. Congratulations !
Just saw Pan swim this morning in Singapore. He seems relatively slow in his underwater.
He definitely was. Whether by plan, his 400m splits seem to indicate as such. He never truly ratcheted up any part of his swim, not even the last 50m which his 400m in Incheon was 13.27+12.31. His full splits for the Singapore 400m:
11.44/13.33/13.67/13.95/13.75/13.79/13.64/13.77 (200m)/13.61/13.87/13.64/13.91/13.97/14.27/14.20/13.98 (400m)
His last 100m of Incheon's 400m:
13.77/13.91/13.27/12.31
Per @星星熠熠xingyi:
"Final 50m today is 14.20+13.98. However, in Incheon, 400m final 50m is 13.27+12.31 and 800m final 50m is 13.27+12.53.
Appears he wasn't giving Duncan a run for the money at all. Another practice run.
If he wins 100m and 1500m free in Olympic, he will be a legend
He's already a legend.
Like you said in previous videos, he used to be a distance swimmer (15:33 in the 1500 at 14 years old). 2:33 Correction, different Kim in this race (Kim Junwoo who is 17 years old as opposed to Kim Woomin who is 23 years old). Based on these results, it is possible that Pan could take the 200 free much more seriously instead of just bombing the heats on purpose. Based on his 7:59 in the 800, 3:45 in the 400, 1:44 in the 200, 46.4 in the 100, and 21.9 in the 50, the 200 seems like his best chance at a second event in his lineup (assuming he doesn't sandbag it). His technique doesn't seem suited for the 50 where not breathing is key (he's great at freestyle breathing, the complete opposite of Michael Andrew who is great at not breathing in freestyle but can't swim breathing freestyle). The 400 in LCM seems too long for him as a sprinter to challenge for the gold at major championships (recovery in between rounds where he would need a 3:45 or faster just to qualify for the final).
A nitpick: It's Pan Zhan "Le" as in the Chinese phrase for happy, "kuai le". It's not "Lu".
That’s not gonna help him to improve his pronunciation. Le as Le in Le Pen, or La in La Mar.
Has there been any freestyle swimmer who can swim from 100m to 800m, possibly even 1,500m?
Sun Yang ... gold medal in 200m, 400m, 800m, 1500m
Yep, Shane Gould at the age of 14 and then 15 in the years 1971 and 1972 held every female freestyle long course world record AT THE SAME TIME at 100 m, 200 m, 400 m, 800 m and 1500 m. No one else comes close...Ian Thorpe was fairly close but he never really was a true 100 m sprinter nor attempted the 1500 m, but he held the long course world record in the 200 m, 400 m and the 800m....and used to anchor the 4 x 100 m relay, which he memorably did in the Sydney 2000 Olympics to overtake Gary Hall Jr and win gold for Australia..
@@BG-id2cv world record in 100m,200,400, 800, 1500m ... how was that humanly possible ??? Was australia that much advanced back then to develop advanced EPOS /PEDs
Why Michael Phelps is not compared and mentioned in this discussion?
@@sint2548 Cause they're talking about the freestyle events, Phelps was only an elite freestyle swimmer in the 200m, do you even know the events Phelps was good at ?
Pan is not just a great swimmer, a well-respected individual too who is a lot more humble when compared to the American swimmers.
So basically Pan is a long course kind of guy.
He got noticed by the Chinese National Team in his junior days for his exploits in the 1500m. In an interview with the Chinese media after Shanghai meet, he said he didn't train for the 100m but rather for the 400m and 800m. I take it that he is experimenting with different courses.
@@calvinang1
他的意思是潘是个长池选手，不是在说长距离。😂
No, he is only 20, plenty of potential as he is improving his turns
You’re gonna ignore his 100m ?
The real Peter Pan
Great analysis
where can i watch replays of these races?
KIM Junwoo in the 800, not Kim Woomin.
Do you expect him to beat Zhang Lin in LCM in the next quad?
😂😂No，It's impossible. I watched his interview in Singapore, and he said he only uses the 800m and 400m freestyle as aerobic training. He is still far from the top athletes in these events.
In the interview, he mentioned that aerobic capacity plays a big role in the last 50 meters of the 100m. Besides 100mf，he said his biggest potential lies in the 200mf.
@@MollyW-swimming But he never said 'it's impossible'.
lol, that’s a funny fact being a new Chinese record, considering the LC equivalent record
He is like rocket man ...the best horse in Singapore. Fyi
What Pan said these 400 & 800. It's using these for Competition training. His main goal still will be 100.
I think Pan is trying to break world records for all lengths. he already broke the world record for the 100m. no need to do it again.
Wow, the humanly impossible keep improving on his record.
It’s not humanly possible
I don't understand swimming. Can a 100m runner win the 800m event??
Never at elite levels. A 100m sprinter can be also very good at 400m max as it is still a sprint event, but the 800m would be mid distance. 800m runners usually also run 1500m, 3k, or even 5k. Swimming 800m is considered long distance rather than mid though, similar to running 3km at track.
It is different, it is old school training, volume and long distance at the beginning of the season. You won’t see him swimming this in a major event.
Australia, UK, and America exit the pool*
Dam first time seeing an American mentioning fina points.
Please learn to pronounce his name correctly.
It's Pan Zhan 'LER'... not Pan Zhan 'LU'.
May be he get bore to sluggish swimmer!!🤔🤔
He is not good at turns
Yooo
First
Dude can pronounce every name correctly but don't have the heart to pronounce Pan ZhanLe's name correctly. 🤔
I try the best I can. The issue is that the way I learn most pronunciations is by listening to those commentating the race, however is seems most English speaking commentators pronounce his name slightly differently.
I tried listening to this commentator to hopefully learn a more accurate pronunciation: th-cam.com/video/AcHrEPyJRno/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IP3F9NMjxJUmvUBm
I realize now that I ended up saying it with a pretty harsh “O” sound at the end of the name which isn’t really how I intended it.
That sometimes happens with some names whenever I say them while also recording a chunk of script. Some viewers know that I used to have a problem of pronouncing the G in Mollie O Callaghan, I 100% KNEW that the G is silent, but for whatever reason I kept accidentally saying it.
If any native speakers would be kind enough to break down the proper pronunciation, or link a video that actually says it correctly, I would be greatly appreciative. I obviously want to be as accurate as possible, ESPECIALLY with a swimmer as high profile as Pan.
@@TheSwimScribeis Pam Zhan Ler
@@TheSwimScribe The "e" in his name is like the sound of "er" in words like "teacher", so you can try to treat his name as if it was "Zhanler".
Pan - is pronounced as pun, similar to run, cut, but.
Zhan - likewise, the a here carries the ah sound like run - so it is pronounced as z-ah-n.
Le - the e is pronounced the same way as stronger, higher, without the r sound of course.
Hope it helps.
@@TheSwimScribeAs a Chinese, it’s pronounced Pan Zhan LUH
Didn't Adam Peaty say he cheats?
I think we all know what’s up with Pan
You mean his face hasn't turned purple yet?
Looks like China has much superior pharmaceutical technology, it doesn't show up on the face at all.
@@dennisly9933
OUCH!
(US Blueberry diet?)
Chinese swimmers had tested positive for TMZ, a powerful performance-enhancing heart drug. Nothing was made public at the time. The case was first publicised in April 2024 by the German TV station ARD and the New York Times, by which point many of those listed as affected had competed at Tokyo 2020. Eleven of those named in the reports were competing in Paris Olympics.
WADA has explained ad nauseum about the whole debacle. TMZ is a hormone is almost all meats we eat. Chinese swimmers were tested several times a day during the Paris Olympics because ignorance is hard to overcome. In any case, Pan was NOT part of the swimmers that tested positive, so unless you want to people to be just guilty by association like the good old racist days, then your comment has no reason to be here.
@jules263 get lost mate!
PAN IS MAKING THE CASE THAT HE IS AN FREESTYLE ALL-ROUNDER, THE G.O.A.T FREESTYLER.
That's humanly impossible!!!!!
EPO instead of HGH?
I hope blood/bio passports are checked for this meet.
Guessing it’s whatever Michael Phelps was on
@@ChuckNorrizzed he didn’t cheat, unlike the Chinese that have been caught many times LMAO
@@carterholt4806 when you own the testing agencies, you can get any results you want
Asthma medication
45: ... - 100 free - soon ... VITS - quicker swim quicker win 😎 - .... quicker all distances
With this World Cup as Pan's practice run and training to improve his turns, it will pay dividends for his more naturally fitting long course (pool) competitions.
It all tantalizes the imagination of how low he will bring 46.4 down to. My brain is dancing at the thought!!