2020 Kawasaki Z650 | First Ride Review
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- 2020 Kawasaki Z650 | First Ride Review
My first Kawasaki on this channel! So join me as I take the 2020 Kawasaki Z650 for a First Ride Review.
Huge thanks to the people at Bournemouth Kawasaki for letting me out on this bike for a couple of hours. Their details below.
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Hi Dan I was really hoping to hear more about how the Z650 compares to your CB650R - if you had to choose again, stock for stock, which one would be the best choice for you and why?
@@feelthaflo82 Hey, as tempting as it is, I don't want every video to become a comparison to my bike. I like to test ride other bikes and just talk about them and what makes them good and/or bad. That being said, I may well do a comparison video between the CB650R, MT07, Z650 and SV650. If I had to buy again today, I'd buy the same bike. As for why, I'd probably need to do a video about that. Watch this space. :) Thanks for watching! EBD
what if i forget??
@@blejan2655 Hmm! Maybe write it on a post it note and pop it on your head? Then when you check the mirror you'll remember! 😁
best answer ever
Had mine two months and 2000 miles. Engine pulls strongly right across the rev range. Gearbox extremely precise. Superlight slipper assist clutch. Very light, accurate handling - helped by mass centralisation. Comfortable seat and riding position (very slight lean forward). Strong brakes. Dash extremely clear and informative.
Proper, direct riding experience with a bit of raw edge that keeps you connected and involved. Kawasaki have got this one right.
Thanks for sharing
Well put 👍😎.
Now this is the sort of comment on a bike I'd want to read every time. Thanks. I'll probably buy one when I can.
@@ellom8 I got one too, everything he said I agree with too. The torque on this bike with wide open throttle feels incredible. Forgiving if need be but can be enough to get your blood going. It looks awesome too everyone loves the way it looks when I'm at a light
@@Illness.og. do you think getting one used would be any good? The one I want has 20k kms already
If you push and hold the right button, the TFT will go inverse and be even better to see in the daytime. Also, you can turn the flashing off for gear indication. They set it at 4k RPM because that's what they recommend to stay below for the first phase of break-in. (but you can also set it to flash at whichever rev you want)
Good info, thanks!
Can wait to do my lessons on this bike. Need to upgrade from my 125 this year God willing and covid restrictions 👀👍🏿😂
Good luck mate 👊👍
Did you get your license yet mate?
Did my theory in April got my mod 2 done this Saturday, all on different cities along the way to beat the Covid queues haha!
@@vikmaynard8109 Well done, got my mod 1 in September.
@@leonhenry7165 best of luck Leon, I'm sure you'll smash it !
I am purchasing this bike as my first, and this review absolutely just sealed the deal, any doubts I had are gone. Hearing your little sounds of pure glee and joy made me love this bike even more.
Glad I could help!
Is that your new Z in your avatar photo? How are you liking it?
u got it?
@@Ryan-vg1ot funny story I did buy this bike back in August of 2020 however I am currently looking to switch to a cruiser so it is up for sale as of right now, 11 thousand amazing miles later
@@micalamorrison2162 ooh nice haha! Yeah im looking for a mt03 right now! So exited for it😊
I love the sound of this engine.
As a modern looking bike i admit that is has a nice design, I’m more into classic looks but this one looks nice. The TFT reminds me of the ones used on the triumphs, sounds nice and it looks to be more userfriendy than the MT07 when you get excited with the throttle.
Check out RS version. It is the same bike just with classic design.
@@Jurica-mtb yes I saw it, just released. they did a splendid job, a shame that it's with a 180 deg crank but nice nonetheless. I wish they do the same with the Z400.
@@ripmax333 I'd like to check out the Vulcan.
Got one. Best feature after the engine - power right across the rev range - and super light, agile handling is how manageable and easy to live with the bike is day to day - it's never annoying.
I tried the older version. The engine is exactly how you described it being "punchy" which made it a huge amount of fun and bought out the holligan in me. I did find in town at slower speeds it was a bit "jerky" though tbh. Good bike though and I would say its a very good price in my opinion. Especially with it being so upto date. Good work👍🍻
The only reason I mentioned price is because it's £350 less than the CB650R in this country, which has far superior suspension, brakes and about 20bhp more. It's not a bad bike but in a sector with the MT07 and the SV650 (which is cheaper) I feel the Z650 might get overlooked.
@@Englishbikerdan Dan have you tried out a 3rd gen SV 650? Out of the 3 twin 650's (Mt-07, SV 650, and this)
Which would you prefer?
@@BennyZ88 Not the new new one with upgraded brakes. It's on the cards though. 👍
@@Englishbikerdan Can't wait for that video! Next summer I'm upgrading from my cbr250r and I'm stuck between the new SV and the CB650R. I know the CB is a more premium bike but it's $2000 more expensive here in Canada so I'm not sure if it's worth paying that premium over the SV.
Thanks for the reply! Cheers
@@BennyZ88 Yeah it's a big chunk of money extra for sure! Watchout for the SV650 vid soonish!
That intro quality though...! You’ve been stepping up your game love it!
Appreciate it!
I rode the 2018 model as my first learner bike (before they switched up to F750GS). I found it really forgiving and nimble to ride, and that new TFT is pretty darn tasty.
This is the bike for me. Living in central central London, I love the small size, narrow width and manageable power.
Thanks for mentioning the throttle snatchiness in lower gear at lower speeds and the some what abrupt on off throttle. This is my pet peeve and what I am looking for in reviews. Most reviewers seem to miss this yet when I go on a test ride there it is. Also the front end diving and brake grabbing and how the suspension fairs with bumpy roads. Good details please keep it up.
I'll try! Sometimes I'm in a rush and I do miss certain things. Thanks for the feedback and for watching. Take care. EBD.
Finally! I was starting to believe it was just me.
Tuned versions of this parallel twin Kawasaki 650 engine powered many highly competitive racebikes in the American Flat Track series. They endured serious high rpm abuse and sounded fantastic while doing it!
the "we're gonna go for the overtake, you know its got a surprising amount of pickup,.... woooooooh!" made me giggle
Bikes are fun!
@@Englishbikerdan And these really do pick up don’t they!? 😁👍
I bought one now covered 3400 miles on it so feel I know it very well from a riding point of view. Bike has FAR exceeded expectation where fun is concerned having come from 30 years road riding and 10 years plus of Motocross from the age of seven this is a middleweight bike high skill riders can really enjoy suspension and engine perfect for hilarious b road fun and so so cheap to run the engine has a huge spread of willingness unlike my previous bike (Mt 07) which promises more up to 6000 odd rpm then just doesn't excite in higher rpms z650 keeps building ,it's also more comfortable better made handles better better brakes and truely joyfull when pushing on And taking it easy,critism stock tyres are a bit crap but then all OEM tyres on this segment are crap , just to be clear I have as much fun on this as anything else I"be owned ( for reference 23 plus road bikes from 50 cc to 1100 cc super sports 190 mph machines
Been riding for over 40 years, owned everything from 125's to 1100's. My 2017 Z650 is the most fun bike that I have owned. At 66 years old, I don't need a 700lb cruiser or a full liter sportbike. I stay off the main highways, have a lot of fun on secondary highways & backroads. Yes, the OEM tires suck, can't wait to put on a set of Pirellis.
This was a nice refreshing review, I like to see someone post a positive review of my bike, I have the 2022 version without ABS, and the guy I normally watch absolutely hates the Kawasaki 650 lineup. But as my first bike I absolutely love the Z650.
I was literally just hoping you’d do one of these!
UK roads look so fun to ride on
What a great review, I have a 2017 z650 and I've noticed it always gets bad reviews. It's good to see someone enjoy it as much as I do, it's a great looking bike and loads of fun to own.
Absolutely, great little bike. I feel people only get disappointed with it if they expect it to be something it's not. A cheap, simple yet fun bike.
Great review and totally confused me now, was looking very strongly at the SV650 for my first big bike but this looks and sounds fantastic.
John Innes I was also considering the Suzuki SV 650 but this Kawasaki Z650 looks great and the tft is very nice. Here in SW France the SV 650 is a little cheaper than the Kawasaki and the Yamaha Mt 07. The Honda CB650R is a fair bit more expensive. The SV 650 is a little heavier and perhaps needs an update although a lot people still love the traditional styling of the SV. There are some rumours that a new Suzuki SV 650 parallel twin is in the design stage!
Pity Dan has not yet reviewed the SV 650. I think he is too attached to his Honda!
I own the sv650x with OEM SV650 handlebars.
I've had lessons in both the CB650R and z650. I by far prefer the sv650x. The z650 feels a little bit smaller & cramped. I'm 184cm. For some reason the grip on the z650 feels worse as well and a bit of a spongy suspension. The clutch on the z650 is phenomenal though. Just perfect. Engine sound is somewhat boring. Low speed maneuvers are great on this machine, except for the snatchy on-off throttle
The CB650R is overall a great bike. It's just that the clutch is a little heavier and the powerband comes a little bit later in the RPM's. It feels very planted in corners and at the same time agile. The cb650r is a little more boring as in, you can't fully push the bike & feel extremely confident doing so. Although that online 4 exhaust note is very nice. Comfort is amazing. Low speed maneuvers are a little harder.
The sv650x has a low down powerful pull, very nice engine sound even with OEM exhaust. Feels planted in corners and has that goldilock zone of street cornering comfort. Soft suspension in a good way and the powerband seems to pull all the way to 8500RPM. The sv650x is able to be pushed hard and you'll love it. It's just the right amount of power to become very confident with the bike & ride a little bit aggressive. Low speed maneuvers are a bit of a middle of the road between z650 & CB650R but the Low RPM assist works wonders for u turns and such.
Waikit Choi Thank you for your reply. Nice to read your honest comments regarding all three bikes. The SV 650 certainly takes a lot of beating. Lovely engine sound with the stock exhaust, good torque throughout the entire rev range at an affordable price.
Ride Safe!
Passed my test on one of these beauties the other day. Stunning bike! Great review!
Congrats. 👍
great review! would love to see a comparison against the mt-07 and the cb650r!
I've already done one, please check my video from last year. 👍
I think MT 07 is still better thant this 2020 Z650. It just has fancy features
Which one is best of the 3 ?
@@gsat3364 MT-07 has less features actually tho, like no slip and assist clutch that the Z650 and the CB650R have.
This bikes are perfect for the average rider. Not too much or too little power. Good fuel economy, cheap maintenance, incredible reliability and super fun to ride due to being lightweight, uncomplicated and user friendly. I would have a big problem to decide between mt07, sv650 or this z650.
Btw I finally got my CB650R. I can relate when you said you like where the indicators are located. Have to say on the Honda the position is a bit awkward compared to other bikes.
My driving school has a pre-facelift Z650.
Coming from a CB125R I was surprised how much louder it is and it showed me how bad 125cc bikes actually sound...
But the ca. 60 minutes of driving I've done with it have left a good impression.
Though I needed a couple of minutes to get used to my bike afterwards. When I got on my CB125 afterwards I almost thought something was broken (the clutch on it grips unbelievably late, compared to the Z650), because it wouldn't move despite me twisting the throttle, then I realized that the clutch on my bike is completely different.
Had my 2020 z650 about 4 months now, done 860ish miles on it. Bloody love it. I’m around 5ft1 and it’s great bike for anyone my size. I had z750 before which is 100lbs heavier than the new z650... an extra 100lbs is big amount when you can only just get your toe down 🙈 so to lose that weight has been fantastic.
Really happy with it and it hasn’t missed a beat so far 👍👍
@april rose Harvey Hi, no it’s fine, just tuck down when you’re really shifting. Up to 70 is not a problem. I tuck right down for anything above that.
@april rose Harvey also you can get bigger screens for them if you want
Great review EBD, Cheers !
Thank you for the great review😁👍🏻, best one I've seen on this bike. I am looking into getting my motorcycle licence in a month or so, and I really like the styling of the Z650. In Australia the Z650 is learner approved bike 😅
Same 4 me.. had a er6n, have a Z900 now. Love both bikes
I’m from Australia too and am wondering if this would be a good first bike. Did you end up getting the z650?
Would be cool to see the Ninja 650 too!
Add fairings and lower grips and this is that video. Lol
I have the 2020 ninja 650 which ita the same bike with fairing its really fun just little of vibration on the handle bars but for the rest its amazing bike
Damn I love the video but also really like the intro!! Gg man
Thanks Stefan!
I am thinking about getting the A2 restricted version as my first motorcycle to practice my riding skills. I hope it's not going to be too powerful for myself, but it's not like i am going to be silly on it anyways.
I had a ride on one of these yesterday. Was my first time on a 650 (Just started my DAS) and i absolutely loved riding this bike!
Pretty cool dash, nice sound! Those mirrors are quite the eye sore IMO. Great work on your videos!
Got my license on this beauty. Before starting my license I never rode a bike. Very forgiving, in my opinion.
My fear is telling me to buy a smaller one, around 300cc as my first bike but I'm also debating on getting this Kawasaki, since I got to ride it for over 10 hours and passed the exam with it.
MT 03 is a great small bike. You will like it for sure.
Cracking bike, love it. Not seen one in the flesh as yet
As an American this almost a different language 😆
The prettiest Z650 thumbnail period. And great video as well mate :)
Cheers
Cheers mate, glad you like the pic! :D
I would suggest a little bigger windscreen for this bike because the stock one doesn't provide good wind protection at speeds higher than 100km/h.
Mine is a 2019 tourer version and it's surely a nice bike. Nothing much but it is a good choice for new riders.
If you're taller than 182cm and if you ride long distances you should go for a bigger bike. Sometimes I feel fatigue in lower legs becasue of such tight ergonomic.
Cool dash and great look! It’s truly the little sister of the z900 👍
Benelli now offers the 752s for 7500 euros that would be a good competitor
I don't understand MC pricing at all. In the US, this bike is a full $2000 less than the CB650R. In fact, the CB costs even more than the Z900.
Yep, very strange! In the UK they are almost the same price.
That engine sound was 'fun to listen' in my opinion. Actually, this bike doesn't come to Indonesia. If it does come to Indonesia, the tax will sky rocket
@Redrum yups! Especially when you got taxed 3 times the price of the bike. And yearly tax are excluded
Would you recommend the Z650 over the MT07 or a Triumph Trident?
That’s such a pleasing thumbnail😂
Have the Akropovic on my 2017, sounds brilliant :)
@Calamity it's has a nice depth to the sound and is truly enjoyable when you open it up with the intakes.
I had the ninja 400 before this one and it's sounds like a twin with testicular fortitude 👍
You could probably pay a lot more for a slight increase but it thrives nicely
I had a ninja 400 before it also...1 flip over the rear end of a car and enough scratches to right it off made stepping up to the torque both cheap and fun as hell
Another great video 👍 got a nice "burbble"sound 🌟
Really good looking bike. Also, it sounds so much better once it's moving, compared to the stand still "sound check"
Spot on, sounds amazing when on the go, this never gets a mention in most of the reviews.
Friends of mine: the 650 is a best beginner bike.
Me: why the hell do u even need a 650, the speed limits are childish anyway
Nice review, what's your camera and mic settup etc?
This bike was a real contender for me but I ended up with a CB650R and I'm pretty happy with the Honda but had the Honda not been available. I wouldn't have had any issues riding the Kawi.
great videos dan i just watched the video of the kawasaki z650 i own a zx6 r 2001 love it
One of my friends had one of these 🕊️❤️ fly high Connor ❤️🕊️
At the start of your video you mentioned you hadn’t ridden a Kawasaki for over 10 years and then later on you refer to the induction roar that you’re used to on all the Kawasaki bikes you’ve owned! I’m sure the induction roar on a 2020 bike is somewhat different to a bike you rode over 10 years ago
Not really. Kawasaki have always been known for their induction roar. I've owned 5 Kawasaki's and it's good to see they still have the same acoustic characteristics.
Indian Village roads are like this .Trees and trees I usually love to ride on my Zx10r with Racefit silencer... and this z650 is good really good i drive the full faring body nice ...
Great review and looks like a fine bike, I still prefer the CB650R though. Hbu Dan?
Something about that CB650R round headlight and 4 cylinder that I really like. 😁
Well you know what I ride. 😎
@@Englishbikerdan Haha ofcourse, its just you seem to enjoy the bike and we would have to call you KawiBikerDan 🤣
@@Yoo_yuz It was a fun ride for sure but most bikes are fun! I wish I could buy them all! :D
i would have bought a CBR650R if they were easier to unrestrict. honda made them pretty lame here in Australia unfortunately
Passed my test one of these last week, think I’m gonna buy one
For me the 2 biggest things against it is price and sound.. for the price, the mt07 is calling my name.
But I still want to try it. Comfort and ease of handling is important to me
Yeah this bike is now at the bottom of the naked category sadly. It's still fun but hard to justify with all the fierce competition.
Heard that the 50th anniversary had inverted telescopic forks.. it doesn't seem that way in the pictures lol
Looks like it was worth the trip. Looking forward to whatever else you can get a ride on. I prefer the looks of the honda, the kawasaki has a very busy look.
Your video was waited for me so badly 🙌🏼👌🏼
Beautiful motorcycle ...and review is awesome..God bless you 🙏 love from 🇮🇳
Im getting the matt silver 2017 for my first bike the hopefully s1000r once insurance goes cheaper 😂
Good your back. Still waiting for the trip with CB650R video
It keeps getting flagged for copyright. Not sure why so I'm waiting too!
@@Englishbikerdan ok, we will wait. I actually got one based on your review he he he
@@experienceph7703 Nice one! It's a great bike. I still really love mine. :)
Few days ago I was researching about this one and maintenance on this one is ridiculously cheap since it uses just 1.8 liters of oil compared to the 2.7 the mt and cb so you save some cash there every oil change... wanted to ask you since you have owned the mt07 and the cb650 back to back with this one which would be the order you would choose? Does it feel a massive difference or gap between the 20Hp the cb has or the so famous mt fun cp engine?
what would you say down low torque? thanks
Passed my test on one of these yesterday, while they’re cool bikes for learning on, I wouldn’t want to own one. They’re just decent, reliable, low spec mile munchers.
Don't underestimate the appeal of reliable, cheap yet fun transport. :)
@@Englishbikerdan definitely true, I just feel like most people that can afford this can also afford one of a number of bikes which are better. But yeah, different strokes for different folks.
Hopefully you get to try the rest of the range, they have some cool bikes =)
The "gear shift" indicator can be set differently, it's set up for economical riding by default.
Hopefully ZH2 soon. 😁
i always own the bigger bikes , but after watching this (and being an old fart) i want to test one of these
It was suprisingly fun and I actually went there to ride the Z900 but they'd sold it that morning.
This bike look very mentally nice! Im looking for upgrading my bike and i think this z650 suit me
I'm looking for upgrading my bike and I also I think Z1000 suitable for me...
@@cuccitiniooiglesias187 z1000its too much for me but if Kawasaki redesign the looks,ill go for it
@@saifulfikri1723 ok my dear friend...
@@saifulfikri1723 I'm think two options of upgrade my bike.so I think CB 1000R suitable for me or Z1000 R
Hi biker Dan, I have a quick question, I notice most reviewers of this bike call it an entry level mid weight bike, and the question is, what makes it an entry level bike compared to other 650 motorbikes or any other cc for that matter. In my mind I class an entry level bike more like 300 To 400 cc. Now I know for any beginner motorcyclist getting a 1000cc isn't a wise choice. It just baffles me why the z650 is always classed as a beginner bike.
Wait, you guys have a Pizza Hut in the UK? Wow.
We've had them for years. Bloody awful though.
I used to have an ER6 which has the same engine, and while I found the performance really good, I found the engine note horrible. It needs the cross plane crank and I don’t know why Kawasaki don’t change it.
I think because it sells really well as it is. Why spend all that money money developing a new cross plane engine if what they have is already popular? Doesn't make business sense until sales start falling at least.
EnglishBikerDan yeah, true, fair enough.
@@mrnicktoyou Also look at the Honda 500 range of bikes. They sell really well but have that 180 degree crank. I do agree with you though, it would be great if they all had 270 cranks. Maybe one day! Thanks for watching!
the flashing indicates break in period
I know you owned the cb650 and more recently you bought the sv650. How would you compare this to those bikes?
I had a ER6- n, was my first big bike, so safe! Love it! Sure this is the same! maybe i go and buy it... is enough for me
Same here, but now I have a Z900 😎
Good review Dan.
Thank you, Trev 👍
Hey mate, how’s the ergos & handling compare to cb 650?
I found it a bit more upright and comfortable than the CB650R.
im just starting on my journey to my motorcycle lisence, and have been looking into which bike to get. The z400 looks like a good starting point, but i think id get tired of it fast. i think i could handle a 650, as i have some experience riding lower cc bikes. Also im a little older then maybe the average new rider (30 years old) id also like to think i have decent throttle control.
how would you compare the z400 to a z650? is it a big jump in power, and how does the z400 feel compared to the heavier z650?
what i really want is an mt07, but prices here are kinda messed up and a used z650 is pretty cheap compared to the other 650 alternatives... i could get a used 2018 z650 with low milage for the same price as a new 2022/23 Z400, so thats also something i have to take into consideration
Would you recommend this as a 1st bike?
Removing price tag from the equation, this or the 2020 SV650?
SV for me.
I am taking delivery of my new Kawasaki Z650 tomorrow 😀
And even though I have Covid and feel like ive been trampled on by a heard of cows, Im so excited!!! I passed my test on this bike and can't wait to get out there asap 👍
Great review. 😎
Only reason to get this over the competition is a low sense of self worth
picking up a 300km demo 2020 z650 start of July for bombing around Japan,
Nice choice of words
Great video :D can you include a Z400 in your Kawasaki review list now ?:D
Sadly not, I cannot get hold of one for review.
In my country kawasaki 650 range has no competition. Every other bikes are more expensive than kawasaki. Actually bikes like mt 07 and cb650r are against Z900
Didn't you review your video? You show us something about the instruments but we can't see anything because of the reflections...!
Yeah but what could I do about it? Reflections are there, the surface of the dash is shiny. These are facts I can't change.
hi, racking my brains trying to decide between a RE Hunter and a Kawasaki Z650RS. like the price, looks and mpg of Hunter and wonder if the Kawasakis is £3k better? Will it be more reliable and better built? Im 62, just passed my test and will use the bike for some 12 mile commuting and the odd 60 mile journey into London via A roads. Slightly put off with Hunter servicing every 6 months, not sure if that would be an issue for you. As a beginner, would the Kawa be "too much"?. Obviously its all subjective but would value your advice. Ps the Z650rs is a looker as well and comes with 4 yr warranty.
Honestly, I think the Z650RS would be the one I chose.
A Kawasaki wouldn't have a crossplane as it's a Yamaha Pattent, plus it's only a twin. Clearly you've heard the term and know nothing
z650 or honda cb650r? searching for my first bike :) could you like give a quick summary of the main differences between them? Thank you so much, love your vids!
I had some real issues with vibrations, especially in the bars. Put my hands to sleep. Any one else have this issue?
I had that issue with my er6f
So here where I am in the US the Honda CBR500r is close in price to this bike also...any thoughts on this one and sv650 and mt-07? Unable to test ride any of these.
“I wouldn’t go off road with it”
:Every flat tracker running that engine screaming at once:
I still wouldn't go off road with it. But I would try flat tracking!
English rider using MPH? Is this peer pressure? Blink twice if you need help. Lol
Huh? You lost me I'm afraid. :)
The engine rpm flashing is programmable, probably the dealer or someone else set it too low
It's set to the break in rpm.
Hey Dan, can you tell me whats the jacket that you are using?
Hey, sure thing, it's an Oxford Delta 1.0.
@@Englishbikerdan Thanks!
Hey Dan, would like to hear your thoughts on Ninja 1000 SX
Hey Dan, love that bike but cannot make up my mind between that and the ninja 650. Kinda leaning towards the ninja. What is the name of the tune playing as the video started? Awesome tune!
Maybe the Kawi Ninja 650? Know its about the same as the z but I wonder how different they might really be? Also like to see EBD review on the z900rs.
Nice bike lods..ridesafe.. this is my dream bike.kawasaki z650.
Wat are opinion of Kawasaki... They have nice looking bikes.... Anyone comment please