@@Britishguydt8nf Now that's a load of bollocks, although the UK's electoral system sucks and perpetuates tactical voting, but this year the choice is fairly broad
its funny how Cameron is using the "youve had 13 years" line over and over just as Kier Starmer is now using the "youve had 14 years to do it" line in his TV debate over and over, nothing changes
Certainly doesn't. I find it really really weird that anyone over the age of 30 is super opinionated and invested in UK politics - by the time I reached 21 it was blindingly obvious it's a neverending cycle of crap
@@Lythgoemania I dunno, they've done a pretty good job of overseeing the biggest period of decline this country has seen since Britain started dissolving its empire
Who'd have thought a 45 second time limit and a moderator constantly interrupting their speakers would make for a terrible debate Nice to hear actual debate in this one, looks like over 14 years ITV has forgotten how to host an actual debate
Dont you love it when they dont shout over each other (and the host/announcer) constantly like big children? This is much better than the crap we had a few days ago
I was optimistic about Clegg but he was a massive let-down. The Lib Dems barely did anything in coalition, perhaps they wanted to but couldn't, regardless it was disappointing.
Good campaign, then proceeded to kill the lib dems electoral chances for decades. The frontbench mps who would be prepared to work with the tories had to come from the orange book wing rather than the likes of Kennedy who would never have went into government, destroyed the balance of the party and removed all the labour leaning voters who would vote lib dem tactically. Seats lime Brent Central, Sheffield Hallam, and Cambridge are never going to be won by the lib dems again
1:34 "The only choice you can make is between two old parties that have been running things for years!".... Still the same case Nick, unless something radical occurs in the election in just over two weeks time.
@@Da1DezI refuse to subscribe to mainstream media channels that have commenting turn off and I avoid watching their content if I can help it. I suggest others do the same.
This debate just proves that politicians just talk about and go round in circles on exactly the same issues but never actually achieve anything. They're literally talking about the exact same things that the parties are bringing up today. I refuse to vote for these loons anymore
Remember this so called frugal chancellor and his party left a childish note for the incoming Conservative government that read "Sorry. There's no money left." People who lived through these times don't forget.
@@earlofdrumer1851 Remember the chancellor that was going to fix the roof while the sun shinning, how that’s working out? Debt was at 0.5 trillion in 2008, after saving the economy after the crash it was 1 trillion in 2010. U.K. debt is now over 2 trillion and over 100% of GDP.
@@earlofdrumer1851We we’re still prosperous despite the crash and that note was a joke, not a serious commentary on the state of the UK’s finances. And by the way the UK is never “out of money”, a nation is not budgeted in the same way as a household. If there are still people then there is still money, but under the Tories so many were economically disenfranchised and dispossessed of their real human value through cuts to the welfare state and unemployment assistance.
I got sent here by tvtropes, the real life catchphrase page, it mentioned something about "I agree with Nick". I don't want to wait around for an hour and a half, can somebody sum this up?
- Alastair Stewart keeps pushing the fact it's the *first ever* one. - The opening statements come in - They all bicker, Cameron unusually sluggish and Brown failing to defend the Government until then in this *first ever* election debate - By the end of the *first ever* election debate, everyone's wasted an hour, except from Nick Clegg, who sees a massive poll bounce. (Oh, sorry, did I not mention it was the *first ever* election debate?)
@@danielhuelsman76That didn’t really explain anything… Gordon Brown (the Prime Minister) hoped to sort of “bear hug” Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg and blunt his impact by saying he was in agreement with him and his party on many issues. Unfortunately for him, in the heat of the moment Brown frequently resorted to just saying “I agree with Nick”, which became a rallying cry for Clegg in what was already a very good debate for him.
@@baron5747 That's not the reason at all. This is an original upload by the TV channel. I think it's more likely they simply chose as worse quality to reduce the upload time.
even though labour had come to their demise, and David cameron was a positive difference - at the time, gordon brown was probably the most ideal candidate for prime minister at the time. And lets not forgot would have not made a catastrophic decision to have a referendum. And as being chancellor for the better of 10 years + i think he understood the economy better than anyone else... anyway thats my opinion. the change was needed but was directed, later, in the wrong way. cameron looked positive for sure. Change was needed at the time but he made a catastrophic decision which was clearly down to his judgement of understanding the people. which obviously, tories always have a difficult time understanding what the working class want. Lesson 101 - you cant give the people too much power. thsts where cameron went wrong.
Would Gordon Brown be through he did propose AV and lets not forget Brown didnt hold a referendum on Scottish independence in his term which led to the poltical situation in scotland we now have
@@kingthomasthehun8408 Yes we can always remember Cameron as Mr. Referendum. I think that ultimately where he got it wrong: being too democratic. By giving more power to people and allowing extreme idealistic politics (e.g. 'getting back our borders or getting back our waters') policies to radicalise the British people. In conclusion, the demise of Cameron and now we pay the price of not reaping the benefits of being in Europe.
RIP Cleggmania 2010 - 2010
The good old days.
Just shocking how high the quality of this debate compared to the one we had yesterday
Came here to comment the exact same thing, it’s so much more mature
@@jameshambis ...and boring, very scripted. Might as well all be the same party.
@@Britishguydt8nfAt least I can watch 30 seconds of it without it setting my teeth on edge
@@Britishguydt8nf Now that's a load of bollocks, although the UK's electoral system sucks and perpetuates tactical voting, but this year the choice is fairly broad
This format is so much better than the rushed 45 second answer format we had the other day.
My thoughts exactly
nick clegg swung hard, and david did his best to fight back. Gordon was there
Brown was terrible in this debate
31:13 Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton
Lmfao
its funny how Cameron is using the "youve had 13 years" line over and over just as Kier Starmer is now using the "youve had 14 years to do it" line in his TV debate over and over, nothing changes
Certainly doesn't. I find it really really weird that anyone over the age of 30 is super opinionated and invested in UK politics - by the time I reached 21 it was blindingly obvious it's a neverending cycle of crap
Except Labour actually achieved a lot in those 13 years. This Conservative oligarchy have achieved absolutely nothing
@@Lythgoemania I dunno, they've done a pretty good job of overseeing the biggest period of decline this country has seen since Britain started dissolving its empire
@@danielwarren3138All you seem to have is cynicism, but it’s lazy to be cynical.
@@jonathanmarkham1998 ok
This feels like a bygone age
It is.
Who'd have thought a 45 second time limit and a moderator constantly interrupting their speakers would make for a terrible debate
Nice to hear actual debate in this one, looks like over 14 years ITV has forgotten how to host an actual debate
Dont you love it when they dont shout over each other (and the host/announcer) constantly like big children? This is much better than the crap we had a few days ago
1:33:27 Rare Brown win. Shaking hands to people while the cameras were still rolling, in contrast to the hesitation of Cameron/Clegg
Deal was done there 😂
At the time it made Brown look desperate, that's why David said to Nick to hold back and let Brown get on with it.
Comments were disabled on this video until recently. I wonder why they did this?
Times have moved on perhaps?
@@Da1Dez maybe - It has been 13+ years!
13:09 30:28 I agree with Nick. Did I miss any? I could have sworn there were more, but maybe that was a different debate.
I was optimistic about Clegg but he was a massive let-down. The Lib Dems barely did anything in coalition, perhaps they wanted to but couldn't, regardless it was disappointing.
Good campaign, then proceeded to kill the lib dems electoral chances for decades. The frontbench mps who would be prepared to work with the tories had to come from the orange book wing rather than the likes of Kennedy who would never have went into government, destroyed the balance of the party and removed all the labour leaning voters who would vote lib dem tactically. Seats lime Brent Central, Sheffield Hallam, and Cambridge are never going to be won by the lib dems again
You should've voted Labour. Brown was a decent man.
1:34 "The only choice you can make is between two old parties that have been running things for years!"....
Still the same case Nick, unless something radical occurs in the election in just over two weeks time.
Of course the first question was about migration...
And the answers they gave have aged like ancient milk.
The UK has fallen so much since then
6:15 Well all of what you said here certainly worked out well didn't it Dave?..... No riots in site!
Take us back to "step one" please
Why are the comments unocked?
They've only just unlocked them
@@joecurran2811 ohh makes sense
Alistair needs to shut up
He has retired now
13 years on TH-cam and no comments?
weird how the algorithm is suggesting this video after 13 years
That's weird isn't it?
Because for a long time ITV blocked anyone from commenting on their videos but have now lifted it.... dunno why.
@@Da1DezI refuse to subscribe to mainstream media channels that have commenting turn off and I avoid watching their content if I can help it. I suggest others do the same.
Beginning of the end
Cameron- Faith and trust in Politics! Laughable
This debate just proves that politicians just talk about and go round in circles on exactly the same issues but never actually achieve anything. They're literally talking about the exact same things that the parties are bringing up today. I refuse to vote for these loons anymore
You must be thick. Are you comparing labour back then to the destruction the Tories have caused since then?
Labour have been pro-mass immigration since 1997.
There's more parties than just two cheeks of the same backside for itv debate 2024.
0:55 is that david evans
Simpletons will come along and chant their mantra from the daily mail "he sold our gold"
Vey few comments
Oh
Brown's best pitch was to say that he wouldn't fuck the economy? Lmao, no wonder he lost
Because the Tories have done so much better.
Remember this so called frugal chancellor and his party left a childish note for the incoming Conservative government that read "Sorry. There's no money left."
People who lived through these times don't forget.
@@earlofdrumer1851 Remember the chancellor that was going to fix the roof while the sun shinning, how that’s working out?
Debt was at 0.5 trillion in 2008, after saving the economy after the crash it was 1 trillion in 2010. U.K. debt is now over 2 trillion and over 100% of GDP.
@nicksimmons7234 that's a running joke that all outgoing chancellors leave 🤦♂️
@@earlofdrumer1851We we’re still prosperous despite the crash and that note was a joke, not a serious commentary on the state of the UK’s finances. And by the way the UK is never “out of money”, a nation is not budgeted in the same way as a household. If there are still people then there is still money, but under the Tories so many were economically disenfranchised and dispossessed of their real human value through cuts to the welfare state and unemployment assistance.
I got sent here by tvtropes, the real life catchphrase page, it mentioned something about "I agree with Nick". I don't want to wait around for an hour and a half, can somebody sum this up?
- Alastair Stewart keeps pushing the fact it's the *first ever* one.
- The opening statements come in
- They all bicker, Cameron unusually sluggish and Brown failing to defend the Government until then in this *first ever* election debate
- By the end of the *first ever* election debate, everyone's wasted an hour, except from Nick Clegg, who sees a massive poll bounce.
(Oh, sorry, did I not mention it was the *first ever* election debate?)
@@admiralsven576 Thank you so much for the summary, dude. Your 90 minutes might have saved countless hours in the future of many tvtropers.
@@danielhuelsman76That didn’t really explain anything… Gordon Brown (the Prime Minister) hoped to sort of “bear hug” Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg and blunt his impact by saying he was in agreement with him and his party on many issues. Unfortunately for him, in the heat of the moment Brown frequently resorted to just saying “I agree with Nick”, which became a rallying cry for Clegg in what was already a very good debate for him.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Cameron was absolutely right
😂😂😂
A right bellend, yes.
And they’re still having the same arguments now
He did nothing like he said he would about immigration.... Border control!?.... Don't make me laugh.
why do old videos always become low quality and fuzzy as hell, 14 years ago wasnt that long ago they had HD back then
TH-cam compression, and a series of downloads, and reuploads. It ruins the quality over time.
@@baron5747 That's not the reason at all. This is an original upload by the TV channel. I think it's more likely they simply chose as worse quality to reduce the upload time.
even though labour had come to their demise, and David cameron was a positive difference - at the time, gordon brown was probably the most ideal candidate for prime minister at the time. And lets not forgot would have not made a catastrophic decision to have a referendum. And as being chancellor for the better of 10 years + i think he understood the economy better than anyone else... anyway thats my opinion. the change was needed but was directed, later, in the wrong way. cameron looked positive for sure. Change was needed at the time but he made a catastrophic decision which was clearly down to his judgement of understanding the people. which obviously, tories always have a difficult time understanding what the working class want. Lesson 101 - you cant give the people too much power. thsts where cameron went wrong.
Would Gordon Brown be through he did propose AV and lets not forget Brown didnt hold a referendum on Scottish independence in his term which led to the poltical situation in scotland we now have
@@kingthomasthehun8408 Yes we can always remember Cameron as Mr. Referendum. I think that ultimately where he got it wrong: being too democratic. By giving more power to people and allowing extreme idealistic politics (e.g. 'getting back our borders or getting back our waters') policies to radicalise the British people. In conclusion, the demise of Cameron and now we pay the price of not reaping the benefits of being in Europe.
Is this the 3 clnts concert?
Criticised the status quo in order to join the status quo. Bravo Clegg.