Why I Bought A Cirrus SR22. Dan
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Recently we checked out a Cirrus SR22 Generation 3. It was a 2012 model plane in immaculate condition.
Today we get to meet the owner of that aircraft Dan.
Dan started flying 8 years ago. He has since earned his private and instrument rating as a pilot. Like many pilots, Dan learned to fly in cessnas and pipers and eventually bough A Grumman tiger which he co-owns with several pilots.
Flight mission changed and Dan upgraded into the Cirrus SR22.
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They are beautiful, comfortable, newer, and fast Thanks for the info. I owned a Lance with a partnership for ten years in SW Florida and our gear was absolutely no expense. We made our own jacks and tail weight and swung the gear every year at annual. I'm glad the Cirrus is successful.
I know two Cirrus owners. One is a very talented and successful financial planner. The other is an airline pilot, married (two incomes) - no kids. I put three kids through college. If I don't build, it's Mooney for me.
Mooney is bankrupt.
Check again. Mooney isn’t bankrupt anymore.
We'd love to have a twin engine cirrus as an option for more security above water for example in case of an engine failure
Diamond
Cool to see Dan on your channel!
Damn bro, good for you! I love that plane
That is a pretty plane. I love the colors.
Going from the Grumman to that? It's like Geo Metro to Porsche Cayman.
Damn. I can dig on an SR22 for sure.
They are sexy, I wasn't really a fan of them until I saw one in real life and i was like dayummmmmm.
dude! I was just thinking of learning on the Cirrus! Also cant believe I coicidentally found you!
gotta get that lisence now that the parents are moving down to florida.
Mike I love your videos! Watching your videos motivated me to start filming my flights and making videos. How’s the Sling build going? I can’t wait to see it flying.
I can’t wait to see the Sling in action. I’ve always wanted and RV-10 but after seeing Mike talk about the Sling and post videos on them I’m pretty intrigued.
Chad Dossett I’ve never gotten to see a Sling in person but I have seen a Few RV’s and they’re sharp planes. Judging from the videos so far I have a feeling Mikes Sling is going to look pretty awesome too!
Me and you both. The build is coming along. Thanks for watching!
@@freelanceastronaut8692 An Experimental is not something to get into unless you want to take on the mess someone else made building the kit. AND want to suffer resale issues.
Another well done video. I enjoyed the owners comments and thought processes around why Cirrus is a great choice. I visited the center in Knoxville Tennessee where they deliver the planes and train new owners and it is a very high class facility. All the best
I started flying a piper Cherokee 6 in 1980 in the Amazon region in the state of Para Brasil, at that time there was no GPS and it was not easy, because the region is immense and very flat, so few references for navigation existed, today flying a Cirrus with parachute and all the electronics embedded in this explored aircraft, became much easier
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Sweet plane and smart owner.
AWESOME dude.. keep flying... AV8R
Ok Mike! Find that 22T and take it for a few spins around the pattern and tell us what's up with the extra pony's under the cowling compared to the 22:-) Maybe next time you are in Torrance. Hit up Steve (Ren Baron) and do a collab clip. He flys out of KSMO. He used to own a Sling 4 before the 22T. And he know the whole Sling family.
Beautiful airplane
Nice aircraft!
I wasn’t saying it was bad just the parachute has to be repacked every 10 years and costs a bundle the line cutters are due every 6 years and if not done by due date the airplane is grounded it can’t even be ferried to maintenance to get it done. I worked at a Cirrus service center and was flown quite q distance to do line cutters. An A&P cannot do these unless he has special training for it. The fiki system must be run often to keep the panels wetted if they dry out they won’t let fluid thru evenly and are a pain to get wetted again. On the annual inspection they are checked for even flow. I have seen these systems soak up a lot of shop time getting them working properly.
The repack and rocket replacement is about 2k to 4k. Over 10 years thats hardly a hit.
Nothing against SR22's. But I will prefer A36 turbo normaized any day over the Sr22 turbo any day, better usefull load with A36. Wish him safe flying, and fair weather.
Props to you Sir, hell of a plane. I love plane's that have SR in the name, because my all time favorite is the SR 71 Black Bird.
Just talked to a SR71 pilot yesterday in my restaurant. He graduated in 1958 in EE and ROTC. He developed the camera system and also took out the film after the flight. Seems it was pretty involved time wise like 3 days to harvest all the film. An honor to get to talk with him.
@@keithmantey1940 That is awesome Keith Mantey, I would love to have talked to the gentleman as well, I wonder what secrets he holds, maybe knows ET?
Finally down to two choices for next bird. Sr22 and Malibu
Good for you man! I don’t know your needs, but in my opinion, I would go for the SR22
@@auggith I want 200kts and 1000mi range also like the cabin class on the Malibu.
ENTP LIFE are the maintenance costs similar between the two? I know that the Malibu is pretty efficient on fuel. Of course, at these costs we are talking small cost differences. The cabin class is hard to beat. Pressurized cabin, no O2 masks needed.
@@jerem0621 MX on both are pretty high but more on the Malibu. Retractable gear and pressurized can bring annuals over 20k year.
A Malibu is a metal beast with retractable gear and is in the same niche as the SR22T. They cost more to insure (retractable gear) and seat six. AND the Malibus do not have a chute.
man this guy says um a lot.
$500,000 avg asking price. Crazy 18gph.
If I would buy a Cirrus it would be turbo normilized. FIKI in my opinion only makes sense when you can outclimb the icing. I would always choose a TTX or T240 over the Cirrus.
Is it weird using the one stick as opposed to the traditional yoke.
make a vid on piper archer DLX
Enjoy your videos. Correction The G3 does not have a third seat that is a Cirrus G5
Then why does the rear seat have three seatbelts ?
It does
Imagine the cirrus with retractable gears
No GA piston plane (unless old school rivets and metal beast) need retractable gear. And even then Cessna 172, and 182s have fixed gear. The insurance cost should keep you out of a plane with such equipment.
As of a few days ago it's now a reality: but it's called a Pipistrel Panthera :D
@@vin103 The Panthera is not certified yet. It is sold as a factory kit built in Europe...none are in the USA. It will compete against the Cirrus SR22. It has a chute, is carbon fiber...and won't sell many in the US because it has retractable gear which will make it uninsurable for most. Insurance carriers require 100 hrs with a CFI in a retractable plane just to get insurance, and then they charge a 40% premium on the airframe. That will keep its sales numbers very low indeed.
The Uuuuuuuummmsss are killing me Smalls!!!! Nervous much or is he just one of those Uuuuuuuuummmm guys... 😂
Dang, didn't notice til I read your comment. Now that is all I hear!!!
Careful with that third seat in the back, SR-22 useful load isn't that great
Its a nice plane
I noticed this plane is now for sale after less than 2 years. Any reason for that?
Silly to explain why to buy an SR22
The cost of maintaining retractable gear the is more than offset by the cost of maintaining the CAPS system and the Fiji system. You need to run
What other plane do you recommend with similar performance? Something like a twin Beech, Cessna or something like that?
As to alternative aircraft the Bonanza is hard to beat. The 210 is good even the 206 is worth a look. The Moonies are fast and efficient but small and crampted. The Saratoga is also a good choice. All these are single engine like the Cirrus. The twins are much more costly to operate and demanding to fly. The alternative to weeping wing device is inflatable boots these systems are not all fiki approved and can lull you into a false sense of safety. ice is a very real killer but happens seldom so is often discounted. I had a customer with a Beech twin die from ice 1 month after annual inspections where we tested his deice system and did repairs to it. all was working normally. Hot props hand boots. RIP
Absolutely not true. The delta to insure retractable gear, dependent on how many hours you have can be 40% uptick in annual fee. The major cost for CAPS is after 10 years of ownership and then you pay about 2k to 4k for a replacement of the rocket and repack. The FIKI system requires fluid and monthly use. But then you also are equipped to deal with icing having it.
Where do you get 2 to 4 k for a repack and rocket motor replace it is more like 15 to 20 k
@@edwardhobelman6296 I just got a quote for it. Your number is way out of line.
How much would this plane cost?
Cool~~
Well are the wings are on your project yet? Get back to it! That’s what we are interested in. There are a few hundred videos on SR-22’s.
Accidents and incidents
Between 2001 and May 2014, 147 US-registered Cirrus SR22 aircraft crashed, resulting in 122 fatalities. In 2011, the accident record of the SR20/SR22 was examined by Aviation Consumer magazine.
And over 170 people have been saved by a chute pull in a Cirrus. Bring the stats on Piper, Cessna and RV now.
Looks like you gave it at pdk. Any interest in selling a share to being 2 partners?
How much can you pick one of these up for?
250k to 500k
The one he has you get for about $450k-$500k
My congratulation! I hoped that Russia will produce it with the license but......
may be one day :(
You know what's annoying? Yeah, asking me to hit the sub button right in the video of him saying, UHHMM.
Ummmm that's a nice plane umm. 😁
what do you mean
@@gmayachar8200 re-watch the interview and the phrase "umm" is used about 200 times and once you notice it you cant not fixate on it..
@@kylewoodfill9875 lol 😂 your correct
People use all sorts of odd filler words and pauses when speaking. Listen to athletes on TV sometime, they will drive you crazy with "you know", "like" etc. I once counted a basketball player use "I know" 32 times in a 5-minute interview - he was nearly unintelligible because of it. It's a bad habit and an example of a lazy speech habit that people pick up from others. It can be nerves too. The evolution of language is a fascinating thing. If you get a chance read up on English (or your language of choice) linguistics, it'll open your eyes. All of that said, I'm not dumping on the interviewee. He's well spoken and clearly is a smart guy.
@@Ddgi-u73 absolutely agree and catch myself doing it sometimes as well.
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Is the glide ratio on this thing trash or something? I don’t get all this hype about a parachute. Or is it a marketing thing?
You know what? He needs to really drag out those uhms to practice his Airline Pilot speech. "So that's why my wife and I uhhhhh...................................................................... decided on the uhhh.................................... Cirrus SR........... 22"
You seem like a really smart guy stop using ummmmmmm to fill in voids.
Doesn't want the ongoing cost of retractable gear.
Buys a plane that needs a $10,000 - $15,000 parachute repack every 10 years.
Safety doesn’t have a price my guy, especially when he takes his family on trips
Why should you buy it? Because you can.
Umm
I wish you had narrated the video Mike. This guys non-stop "ums" and "uhs" were a bit much.
ummmm I wish i didn't read this before ahhh, watching.. ahhh. that's all I could errr, ahhhh hear
I agree With you on that, I thought I was the only one that noticed all the "ums & "uhs"..
Fast aeroplanes are great. But when one ready the velocity never exceeds and the maximum manoeuvring speed. And the fine print structural cruise. One has to get on one bender and ask the man up above for some good weather.retired CPL
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I like the content, but stopped watching after (5) commercials. Really!?
Its NOT the content provider doing that.. Its youtube. They just did a massive policy change this week, making much harder for providers to have limited commercials, AND in conjunction with that, youtube has dramatically increased the number of commercial exposures in each video.
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Ha ha ha. Some folks don’t know how YT works. This stuff ain’t free.
I dont see any commercial. I run Linux + Chromium
I just pay for TH-cam Premium. I see no ads. Well worth the few bucks a month.
non pilots think a parachute is a good thing ,, its really not,,, it has to have the chute to be legal to fly because the wing is below par,,,, the chute descent rate is twice that of a plane under full stall,, diamond aircraft has a far better safety record than cirrus
DA62 uses less fuel even with two engines....would rather have two redundant engines than a chute
You are ignorant. Really nothing you texted is true and deserves no adult response. Btw. Diamond now puts a BRS chute in their planes. Same for Pipistrel, Mooney, Evololution, RV and half the SLSAs.
@@gbigsangle3044 you are ignorant ,,, ya i guess facts to you are meaningless,,, diamond aircraft does not have chutes ,,, go look at the FAA crash reports then if you think i am wrong ,, what the descent rate under chute for a cirrus,, what the full stall descent rate of a da40? ,, come on smart guy ,, you tell the world if you can fool haha,,, so do tell us why the cirrus is not legal without a chute ??
When I was selling new airplanes I never lost a sale to Cirrus unless I could not get the customer a demo flight. When I found a new Cirrus owner I asked why they chose it. I got the same answers over and over. First were buyers who had not really been in the market, saw an ad or the old road show, and were sold the plane. Some of them didn’t even have a license. All of them got demos. Then some of those folks got smart and looked at other planes. Those people, plus the more traditional types who set out to compare a few planes fell into two categories. There were the ones who bought the parachute, usually because it solved the danger problem for their passengers who didn’t know any better. Then there were the ones for whom the competition would not provide a demonstration. Unbelievable, but since most planes are sold through dealers, they simply have a hard time affording the demonstration rides. Meanwhile Cirrus was flying potential customers by the dozens every weekend. Plane sales are toast because plane companies don’t believe people want their product. They don’t even try.
Cirrus is really a mediocre product in my opinion. Seriously look at Diamond and Mooney and the Columbia/Cessna models. All are better aircraft, IMO. If you don’t mind a Spam can, Beech is another better option. I will say that the Cirrus did seem to improve after they upgraded the wing which they did before the one shown here, but unless they have upgraded the composites then I would avoid them. But, I also stay away from semi monocoque aluminum, or Spam can planes, so your level of comfort may be different.
Why do you say the Cirrus is a mediocre product and what is it about the Cirrus composites that needs upgrading? What is it about Diamond, Mooney, Columbia and Beechcraft, save for retractable gear in 3 out of 4 of these, that makes them a superior aircraft?
Doesn't sound to me like you have a whole lot of hours (if any) flying the Cirrus, but rather have formulated your opinion simply from what you've seen, heard, and read - and the fact that you apparently were selling the "competition" suggests to me that you probably found bad-mouthing Cirrus as an effective way of preventing clients from looking that direction. And yes, I am a Cirrus CSIP and alot of hours in them, as well as the planes you used to sell, so I do speak from experience. Just wanted to keep things fair and balanced ....
Philip Galway-Cooper, My dislikes of the Cirrus are mostly on safety. The first wing was changed and apparently improved stall behavior though they never really gave a proper explanation. I did not get much time in them, but they seemed kind of top heavy or something. The avidyne equipped planes had lots of problems. If you are buying one with the later wing and Garmin that’s much better. Still you are left with the composite. Diamond and Columbia both used a very complex mix of different high quality composites which they laid up in their factories custom. This means they have structures that are strongest, lightest, most rigid and most flexible in just the places they need to be. Cirrus used sheets of pre preg. The benefit is cost. Period.
Mooneys have a steel tube frame which has become famous for its impact strength. The old joke goes that if you go to a plane wreck, and there is still a plane there, it’s a Mooney. I know tons of stories of Diamonds surviving and protecting the passengers and the statistics put everyone else to shame. I believe Columbia planes should have similar crash performance, but they are high performance aircraft and a small fleet. I have not seen numbers.
Retractable does not matter to me except for quality. Some planes are notorious for gear issues. Retracts are usually faster, but it’s just one aspect of a plane. Beech and Mooney gear are fine.
Cirrus has improved its safety over the years because the owners group made it happen with training programs. With all the advantages of a big fleet, training use, owners group, and CAPS they have moved their numbers into the same area as Mooney which is a much older design built purely for performance.
I will say that most people will say they are more comfortable with the Cirrus cabin. I’m long legged and am much more comfortable with the long body Mooney. Passengers often do not like the small windows in a Mooney, but there is actually more space in the R and later models than in a Cirrus.
Finally, the big lie that helps Cirrus and Beech the most are their small tanks. It amazes me, but many pilots with much more skill and experience than me seem to only ever fill their tanks then fill the plane. Every buyer needs to plan very carefully for his known missions. I saw very few buyers really do this, but many who did wanted more range rather than more load. Coast to coast with four adults just isn’t what people really do. Trips with four adults are actually VERY rare.
Sorry for the rant, but hope it helps.
It is unfortunate that some aircraft manufacturers still don't know how to sell airplanes in a new age. If Cirrus does a great job marketing their planes, then kudos to them. You'd be surprised how many airplane shops I've tried to get on Mojogrip and they didn't see the value. Practically getting free advertising that would have cost them thousands of dollars otherwise. If only they saw the receipts of airplanes being purchased through the channel.
Mark E, sorry if you think I’m calling your baby ugly. I can tell you that badmouthing the guys selling the most planes would not have been a good tactic. As someone who got into the business after buying a new aircraft, I had my opinion set before I started selling. Nothing I’ve said here is at all hyperbole or even questionable and is mostly noted as my opinion. I’ll note that you didn’t contradict any of it. If you want to hear me badmouth someone, it would be Cessna. Yet here, I compliment their product. I did sell a brand I have not mentioned. I was not then, nor am I now a fan.
So, as you admit, one of us has a financial stake in this game, and it is not me. Instead of throwing shade, how about you make some good refutations or point out some positives?
Uhmm
Cirrus ummm sr22
It's a half decent plane, modern ish. nice features like deice. But it's increasingly ridiculously priced and surprisingly heavy for a composite plane. They should do a much lighter turbo pressurized with RG. If they can't match the Lancair IV-P they are doing it wrong. And if they really want to lead they should do a pressurized car seater with 2 small turbofan jets. You have no idea what revolution that would be. 700km/h, ocean crossing. Carbon cub pricing. Real mobility.
I think the issue is that Cirrus gave up on ever eclipsing Lancair 4p sales...
@@israelkozlik7554 yeah no volume pricing opportunities for a small business like Cirrus.
I think cirrus is doing pretty well with their business model.
@@docflyer4001 until someone makes an actually good plane for a reasonable price. you lack vision
Doc Flyer yah think?? 😂
um...um...ah...um...ah...ah...um...
If I had a dollar for every time he said Um
well perhaps you had enough money to buy also a Cirrus SR22
Who can help me to buy cirrus 22.. Please guys
We all need an SR22T GoFundMe campaign
Holy fuck so many ummmmms
Ummm
Nice aircraft. Wish the CCP weren't involved.
What you mean? The Chinese communist party?
tomar5e115 it’s Chinese owned.
Why? They own so many other things -why not Cirrus ?
@@TheReadBaron91 30% of the US is owned by China
@@sammalone7352 Why? Because they are an oppressive dictatorship. One need only ask those in HK.
Um um um um um unwatchable...
ummmmwatchable
hehehhehehe
ill go now
Great video but um, um, um, um, um. Tough to listen to. Um
No way would I want to purchase a plane that has a parachute installed by design. To me that just screams, "i think the wings will fold up at any moment". Talk about a lack of "confidence" of your plane build to hold together. Build me a plane that strong, and that will hold together, then if need be I'll pick a landing spot in the event of the engine out. Even with a chute the plane is trashed on touchdown, and souls on board usually are injured.
Um, so, um I flew a plane, um, then I got, um, instrument, um rated, um........ Geez, this guy needs speech therapy.
as long as one can buy a plane and enjoy flying it one doesn't need a speech therapy
It’s a requirement for getting on the radios in General Aviation. Ummm where Am I??? Ummmm Denver traffic, this is ahhhh Cirrus November ahhh...,three two seven Tango Foxtrot, ahh.... ummmm..... - can’t pass your Checkride unless you try to sound like that.
@@alexs3187 Gigitty!
The rich buy planes while the plebs go homeless and hungry. Winning!
Nice beard: walking stereotype douchebag.