We have to understand that agnosticism and theism are different things. Agnostic has it's opposite form, Gnosticism, which is to firmly believe something. So we should always use them hand-in-hand instead of separating the two terms. We can't say that someone's just agnostic, instead put if they're theist or not. In terms of belief we can use 4 terms to depict someone. Gnostic Theist- Which is what we usually call the Christians and Catholics. People who are firm believers and you can't prove things to be different than their own belief. "I believe in God and you can't tell me otherwise." Agnostic Theist- This is somehow how Mx. George presents himself, he believes that a higher being exist yet he still seeks that evidence that it is worthy to be worshipped. Can also be someone who thinks they can be stood corrected. "I believe in God but I can be wrong." Agnostic Atheist- Mx. Diza with the way she speaks on this video somehow exhibits this belief. Yes she believes that no higher being exists, though she can be stood corrected if presented evidence. "I don't believe in God but I can be wrong." Gnostic Atheist- People who firmly disagrees on the existence of a higher being and is not open to corrections even if presented with evidence. "I don't believe in God and you can't tell me otherwise." It is fine to disregard the Agnostic/Gnostic and classify yourself as simply A/Theist. But you can't say someone's agnostic without saying if they're A/Theist unless you specify that you truly do not lean on any of the two.
For this video, yes. You're right. But I wouldn't go right away to classify Diza in anything else other than what she, herself, classified as. Let's just respect that. But it would be more correct to say that she appears or seems or sounds more like (in this case) an agnostic atheist. Though, there's this another facet to consider about so-called “true agnostics” that doesn't lean either to theism or atheism while being agnostic. But George here, I don't think he seems to be a “true agnostic” anyway, as per his statements.
@@cjbaynas Yeah I may have used the wrong determiners here, I'll edit this immediately thanks for telling me. Also I have not wandered true agnosticism but I feel like it should be a very hard stand to exhibit but I will continue to study on it, thanks again :). Though I feel like it may not be a disrespect to Mx. Diza as she herself considers herself as an atheist and did not specify if she's gnostic or not. So I just based it on how she expressed herself and put the agnostic part which I think she has not explored yet. But if that in any way makes you think I disrespected her please educate me how, I am willing to listen.
I am the Catholic in this video. I might be breaching my NDA here, but as far as I'm concerned this is just a comment. I've been getting accusations that I'm not being "faithful" enough or being "Catholic" based on what's shown in this video. Not just on this comments section, but both in and outside of my circle. First of all, the entire footage of this, uncut, is around 60-80 minutes. They had to cut this down in editing, to make it digestible, more coherent. They picked the more interesting, more engaging and more cohesive parts of our discussion as to make it accessible to everyone, not just one audience or party. There's also the problem of the algorithm flagging possibly controversial topics. All of this is fine. I'm okay with this. What I'm not okay is with the accusations, from fellow Catholics and peers especially. The full extent of our discussion touched upon issues like abortion, questions like gay marriage, my stance on it despite being Catholic, lapsed and nominal Catholics, the importance (and neglect) of the Catechism, how, despite my personal agency and my own issues with the stance of the Catholic Church, I still believe and align myself to its dogma. I touched upon Kant's argument from morality. I cited the words of G.K. Chesterton, brought up St. Thomas Aquinas, even touched upon Carl Jung and synchronicity to put it in a secular context. I talked about, however brief it was, my gripes about Vatican II. I talked about how nominal of a character Christ is, operating off of Tom Holland's (historian, not the actor) quote about modern morality and society being shaped positively by the presence of Christianity, contrasted by the depictions in classical myth and antiquity. I think I mentioned venerable Fulton Sheen as well. There's a lot to cover, and I cannot recall each and everything. The only respite and testament I can give you regarding all this is if ReCreate releases the entire footage, or a follow-up to this video with that footage, at least some. Either way, what they do with the footage or their content is fine, and up to their discretion. Again, I emphasize more on the reactions of peers on my end of the spectrum. That said, I hate how people are attacking me for my struggles and doubts about my faith, as if one is allowed to not have such a thing. As if figures like Mother Teresa and Saint Faustina, did not go through times of spiritual dryness and feelings of abandonment, which is what I'm struggling through right now. It's disheartening, and though I continue to explore my faith to try and be a better believer, instances like this are the reason more people leave the Church - for showing vulnerability. Religious trauma is real, and with the way we conduct ourselves sometimes, we perpetuate this phenomenon instead of ecumenism, understanding, or conversion.
This is why non-believers have this presumption that firm believers are hypocritical (and one of the reasons why I chose to turn away from my religion), just to point it out. I'm not one to say but your comment translates your frustration and I cannot imagine how it is intensified lalo na at yung mga close pa sayo ang nagsasabi sayo nito. I commend you for keeping and believing in your faith even in times of doubt and question. I hope you find your enlightenment one day, but for now, you do you, so focus on yourself. If there's one thing I've learned in and out of the religion, it's that our relationship with God is somehow like any other. There're ups and downs, and we have the choice on how to go through it. No one can define better the relationship with God than yourself, so I hope you get through this and find your answers soon.
I think you have more knowledge of the Church dogma, history, catechism, and philosophy than your critics or the ordinary Catholic. Hoping they would study and understand these first before critizising. Curious. Have you studied St. Augustine and the early fathers, Plato, and Pascal's wager?
as an agnostic, I believe that nothing is known or can be known about the existence of higher beings; it is simply beyond our comprehension. hence, I do not subscribe to any religion and do not worship any gods (except on my birth certificate), but I am not opposed to changing my mind if evidence is presented to me. regardless, I agree with the atheist girl that people are indeed complicated. we are born and raised in different ways, and I believe it all boils down to respecting that context. it's fine to believe in what you believe in, but don't expect others to share your convictions. you do you. I genuinely believe there is nothing to be concerned about as long as the individual is not causing harm to anyone.
I have 10 billion in my savings account. Since you lack the knowledge about the truthfulness of the existence of my 10 billion, do you think it is reasonable for you to believe that I have a 10B in my account?
@@kleind4670 hi!! I think you just handed me an analogy for how my agnosticism works. I'm assuming that 10 billion of yours represents the higher being, and in my opinion, it is not reasonable for me to believe that you have that much money on your account if I haven't seen any evidence of its veracity. at the same time, I am unable to completely debunk that notion because, I, too, lack sufficient evidence to refute its truthfulness. I hope I'm making sense.
@@cindyloumacahilos5531 If you do not have the knowledge about the truthfulness of the claim (existence of a deity), I think that it is absurd to believe in its existence. The lack of knowledge about the existence of a deity is agnosticism, and the lack of belief is atheism. Knowledge and belief aren't the synonym of each other, yet knowledge, or the lack of it can help us to decide if a claim is convincing or not.
What made you believe that the existence of a higher being is unknowable? What if we could comprehend them in the future? This statement contradicts your stance that you need the evidence first before forming a belief.
@@kleind4670 I stand corrected on the first part of your argument because I, too, find it absurd to believe in the existence of something if you don't know whether or not the claim is true in the first place. however, I see flaws in what you're attempting to argue. I disagree with how you define and differentiate agnosticism and atheism because, as far as I know, agnosticism is the belief that higher beings are unknown and that humans are incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify their belief in their existence, whereas atheism is not a lack of belief but rather an absence of it. I find it offensive that you define those beliefs in such a derogatory way. I'm sorry to bring it up to you, sir, but agnostics are not oblivious to this matter; in fact, some of us have long been waiting for pieces of evidence to see what believers are attempting to prove. The same is true for atheists; their stance does not imply a lack of belief; rather, they have a strong conviction in their rejection of the belief. Please be mindful of your words. As far as I can tell, you're claiming the existence of a deity and accepting it as fact, justifying that we, nonbelievers, simply lack either knowledge or belief. Also, in response to your question, what made me believe that a higher being is unknowable and what if we can comprehend it in the future? The answer is simply because there is no sufficient reason to justify their existence or even their ability to be comprehended to this day. Thus, my stand remains.
As an atheist, the atheist girl described everything we believe in. We believe in goodness of people. We know what's right and wrong. Atheism is not equal to evilness. ❤️
"Walang pumipilit" "Walang magagalit sayo" Me an atheist almost always getting harrassed by my Christian family and getting blamed sa mga bagay na wala naman akong kinalaman (eg. My parents marriage, my younger brother's belief in abortion, faith, school etc.) Having always to justify why I am an atheist to almost every person i know 🙃. Answering questions like are you not afraid of hell? Are you not afraid god might test you?
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I wished parents would realize that raising a child meant that s/he would grow to have different mindsets and beliefs. That children shouldn't have to be a carbon copy of their parents.
this thinking of some catholic. also made me na hindi or ayako maging katoliko. kasi napakaraming nag sisimba pero hindi nila isinasabuhay ang pag sisimba o na tutunan nla. napakaraming hopokrito. tho marami akong friend na catholic na mababait. it's just that kung mabait ka. mabait ka. hindi ako mqbait dhil takot ako mapunta sa hell. mabait ako ksi gusto ko maging mabait sa iba. ung iba mabait kasi takot sa hell or mging makasalanan. mas marami pang hindi nag sisimba ang mas mabait pa sa nag sisimba. napakaraming hopokrito for me.
sa akin nmn po di nmn po ako hinaharassed ng pamilya ko mama or papa ko,,, kasi sina sabihan lang ako na paniwalaan ko kung ano gusto kong paniwalaan,,, kaya proud ako sa christian family ko,,, kahit ako ayy isang atheist.. vocal kasi ako sa kanila ,, na hindi na ako naniniwala sa mga bato at panginoon... kundi mismo sa tao lang talaga lahat ng gawa sa buhay...at kung anu anu pa..
@@jericogaviola9256 bcoz you dont need to believe in Fairytale being in order to become a Good Person! If you know how to be Rational and have Ethics value you can be a good guy!
I am an Agnostic person for almost 6 years now. I have a very strong morals and values in my life. And it doesn't mean that we're a person without knowing what is wrong or right. A person can still be good without religion.
You can't be good without religion. Religion is inevitable. It is not restricted to belief in God. Liberalism is a religion. Humanism is a religion. It's inevitable. No matter what you do, religion will always be there. It's one of the three cores of humanity. I don't want to undermine but please read more and criticize your very thoughts.
@martina Oh you will care. I couldnt care less of you not caring. I don't lose anything. You not caring despite of, I assume, a new information for you is I assume only a sign of your inability to explore new perspectives.
@martina I never said you disrespected my ideas. Taking in new information over and over again is one thing, but reflecting upon it is another thing. Maybe you havent done the second step? Also, how do you OBJECTIVELY know you're not losing anything? Do you just FEEL like it? Aren't there any negative emotional stimulations produced by the chemicals within you yet that makes you think your losing anything? Anyways, it's late. I tell myself not to engage in deep stuff like this at this hours. See ya later, if ever you reply.
Re last question: “What makes you think there is no higher power?” Personally, as an atheist, I consider religious belief as a social need. Meaning, if I think that this concept of higher being and religion does not apply to me and does not in anyway have an effect on how I see hopefulness or how I navigate life or how I develop as a person and how I deal with other folks, I would not bother myself thinking if there is really a higher power. For me, it’s not a question of “is there really a concrete evidence or not?”. Believe what you wanna believe, esp if it would help you go thru life. I was once a Catholic. Had some disappointments. I have encountered the term - Agnostic - I tagged myself that. Then, I asked myself, “What’s the point wondering if there’s a higher power or not”. Came to some reflections that: people are capable to do good even without religion or god, I don’t think any divine intervention would in anyway affect how I deal with my life. Hence, I decided to be an atheist.
The problem with your thinking though is that you, I assume did not experience other religions like Hinduism, Islam, and many others. You are generalizing how yoh perceive religion based on what you experienced from your once Christian/Catholic faith. Also your disbelief in subjective. Matters like these should be attended objectively. You don't just disbelieve in a higher power just because "you feel like it". There's bigger things beyond our selves.
@@kiloocal8763 How can you attend on these matters objectively? TBH, I tried that approach. That’s why I came from a mindset of: “Does it exist or not?”. And it led me to just discrediting the good experiences of others in their religion. Now here you are claiming that we should be objective yet you’re narrative is just a facade. If you think that we should be objective, you should have included: 1) Evidence that there is a higher being; 2) Which higher being claimed by the different religions is the true one?; 3) What are your supports to question 2? But the problem is that if we’re gonna discuss it that way, diverse narratives would then come in and the conversation would goi in circle. Now tell me more abt your concept of objectivity within this context. I say: I am for “understanding” - you do you. I am not for shoving what you believe in to other folks (esp to those that are different to yours).
@@kiloocal8763 Hindi nga kami naniniwala bakit kami magttry ng ibang religion? Bakit namin susubukan na iprove ourselves wrong? Hindi kami naniniwala kasi wala ngang evidence, at sabi sabi haka haka guni guni ay hindi evidence. Yung bible quran etc ay hindi rin evidence. Walang dahilan to try other religions na wala ngang evidence.
@@jgereaux Among evidence mo na walang evidence. Narinig mo dn sa haka hala Ng community mo? Look around you and look within yourself. These are evidence of The Creator. Myths are composed of real things. Fake stuff are made up of real stuff. If you combine a man and a donkey which are two real things, you get a mythical creature. But can you create the myth of The Creator? No you can't. Because He is the Creator. You cannot create the Creator for the very real things that humans use to create myths are created by God Himself. In other words, the knowledge of God is within ourselves. It's pure intuition. Why are you looking for a scientific evidence when our awareness of God is in the highest source of knowledge, pure intuition. And by the way, proving ourselves wrong is called critical thinking.
This video made me cry. Not in a negative way. More like a happy cry. I like how they're so chill talking to each other knowing that the topic is about their beliefs. We can live in diversity with understanding.
Hindi ko alam kung saan talaga ako naniniwala naman ako sa panginoon pero hindi ako relihiyosong tao hindi ako nagsisimba huling simba ko 4 years ago pa pero nagdadasal ako para humingi ng tawad at magpasalamat. Naniniwala rin ako sa science na nag evolve tayo
im a catholic girl with religious trauma- after a lighthearted question about what they thought about the lgbt community, i was threatened by my parents, saying that I'd be kicked out and sent to "therapy" if they found out i was gay. i was outed by my guidance counselor. i had numerous rumors and deepfakes about me, spread throughout the school grounds because they suspected i was gay. i left the church 2 years ago, but came back after studying church history, yet i still question my faith everyday. this was a wonderful vid hehe i learned a bit more about dif beliefs.
I'm sorry to hear that. But ang importante dito is your personal faith and beliefs. Yung mismong personal relationship with God. I'm a devout Catholic, but I focus on my own personal growth. Hindi ko minamind what others think about me, the Catholicism, etc. You cannot please everybody. So just do you!
@@saulgoodman5494 SPEAK THE TRUTH AND THAT IS THE TRUTH!! If it was a sin, then why is it that literally the whole Bible contradicts those verses about homosexuality? God said come unto me as you are, period. Love is pure according to the Bible. It's kinda weird how two girls or two guys being in love is a sin. If anything, the ORIGINAL verse talks about p3d0phillia which MAKES MORE SENSE obviously. The whole Bible talks about God's love and how much He loves us no matter what.
It's true that ang mga usaping religion e di masyadong napapagusapan, kung napaguusapan man e laging nagkakaroon ng conflict at mas nagkakagalit yung mga naguusap. Kudos to this kind of content.
It's refreshing to see discussions about this. And I also find the comment section very interesting to read. Personally, I'm still confused about my belief so sometimes I find it uncomfortable being labeled. I don't usually talk very much about this because I also don't want to invalidate other people's faith. I don't believe in gods. I don't believe in religion. I think religion is just people's lazy alternative in explaining the existence of the universe and all its constituents. I strongly believe in science. And I acknowledge that even science only has its theories, but at least evidences are being presented systematically and in great detail. Can I consider myself an agnostic atheist?
You seem to confuse a theory with a scientific theory. "theory" means something very different in lay language than it does in science: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. Like evolution. Religious people like to claim that it is "just a theory" because of the name evolutionary theory. But will gladly accept gravitational theory, even though we have more evidence for the former. So we dont "only have our theories.", we have actual testable and provable facts :P
@@Uhdksurvhunter ohh yes I understand. But i guess how I understand them is even tho those 'theories' are testable and already somewhat proven, there are still room for improvement and further studies can still be made to fully grasp the different concepts in science. Those are based on calculations and different scientists also have different interpretations which could also prove or disprove these certain theories. Unlike those who firmly believe in the words of their sacred books. They seem to contradict all other explanations of things. Sorry if I can't really express things clearly I'm not very good at explaining when there's lots of stuff going on in my head hahahaha but yea
Atheist here and I am so happy to see this kind of content. Thank you Rec. Create for doing this. I've seen the first content (Catholic x Atheist). Nakakagaan sa pakiramdam to out yourself as an atheist. ❤️
I'am an agnostic person but on paper I'm Catholic cause you know my family members are religious. I personally believe in science and there are church sayings na I disagree on. But part of me still believes that there is God but my faith is more of personal than institutional. My faith is like Pi, in the movie Life of Pi, I influenced myself in the values of different religions. Honestly, I refer to God as God only, but I do not dedicate myself to any saints or any rediculous and outdated rules some religions imply. Sometimes, I see religion more of a tradition specially in a religous country like Philippines. I do not intend to bash on religions because without it morality wouldn't be as important as it is today. I'm just saying that being agnostic isn't something to be afraid or ashamed of. Respect my opinions na lang...
I respect you sister.. Currently hiding in the bushes din cause we are bit similar for being Roman Catholic in paper.. I am much of an some type of agnostic... I do not want to be part of a religious organization with proven records of pedophilia, abuse of authority, lying to the world about good works (mother teresa), corruption, etc...
Aaaaaahh same, I'm also an agnostic theist but I like to take account all the other religions in real life applications. I'm also a Roman Catholic by paper but yeaahh ... there's a lot of stuff that I don't agree on.
Did not intend to bash religion but branded the veneration of saints as "ridiculous", perhaps you need to read catechism because saints are rolemodels for being good, we get inspirational stories how they made their lives good so why not respect them. Also, science is very respected in Catholic Church, many scientists of history were clerics. Even big bang theory that most know today was created by a catholic priest.
@@jrvillanueva9773 it will depend on the perspective of the answers recipient. It doesn't matter what will I say if you have a preferred answer then my opinion will not matter.
@@jrvillanueva9773 where did you get this? Didn't you understand my reply? The fact that you threw your question surely proved my previous statement correct. Wala pa akong sinasabi but you assumed that what you are saying is what I am thinking.
I have seen my own body separate from my soul. I am not lying as I fear God and would not attempt to lie about my personal experience in the spirit realm. I am not the only one..even former intellectual atheists and medical doctors have had the same experience. You are eternal my friend, whether you believe it or not..that will be your reality when you die..it is up to you to decide where to spend your eternal life...in hell or in heaven? with the enemy who is hell-bent to destroy and torture your soul or with God who laid down His life for you so that you may have eternal life in heaven? Choose Jesus, and accept Him as your Messiah..do it for your soul's sake while there is time. Death can come knocking at your door anytime, no matter how healthy you are.
Been a Catholic my entire life, became an altar boy and a choir member but the teachings I have been learning inside the dogma is just too dense, or should I put it opaque. We have common sense and I highly agree with both atheist and agnostic that true believers are hypocritical. I grew up being named as an outcast, a deviant. As an agnostic, we do believe in a higher being but just focuses on what is NOW, the present. I (agnostic) started when I understand more about people, I studied psychology and practices my knowledge since then. I don't debunk people with their beliefs as long as they don't step on my own beliefs and principles. For Catholics, most people don't find comfort in praying 😊 and when you tell, "Magdasal ka lang" or "Iasa mo yan sa panginoon" is invalidating ones feelings. For Atheist, not that I agree that there's no God. There might be something or someone responsible for our existence. Overall, this topic is very good to endulge. Thanks again Recreate!
@@neiltristanyabut might... No definite, even scientific evidences that proves the existence of God. I'd rather put it into perspective that there is a higher being, responsible why we exist. 😊😊😊 Agnostics doesn't just guess but rely on proven evidences.
i am a catholic myself but that doesn’t mean I do not see the wrongs being thought to those who preach the church. also, I respect if someone would say they are agnostic or atheist. i wouldn’t ask why they became like thay because i think that it shouldn’t matter.
I'm a "confirmed" Catholic. I don't know where and who I would be if it wasn't for my faith and beliefs. I became more at peace with myself when I found Jesus. It gives me comfort knowing that there's a higher being who is in more control. Whether or not people believe in God, the idea of faith is a very powerful character one can have. You'll go far in life despite trials and tribulations.
When you think about worshipping. Don't we all worship someone or something? For some, it's money, an artist, material possessions, or self. When I was an atheist, I became conceited. There was nothing to humble me. Then one day I realized I was worshipping myself. And that's when I decided to try to bring back my faith. It was not easy because I believe in science more. One day, I asked myself how was time created. Then I had a revelation. It must be a being not bound by time, energy, or space. That being is living in a different dimension, that's why we can't see him.
As far as I know, agnoticism is just answering whether there is a god or not with a simple "maybe" and "not sure" it's not "believing in a higher power but not don't worship it" that's more like deism.
I think that agnostic and atheist are in a different categories, so basically there are 2 categories when it comes to labeling yourself so the first one is “gnostic and agnostic” gnostic means u have a strong conviction to ur beliefs whereas agnostic mindset doesnt have a strong belief meaning theyre not sure with the beliefs they hold. The Second category is “theism and atheism”. Theism beliefs that theres a higher power and atheism doenst believe in a higher power. So in conclusion you will label yourself in that 2 categories whether you are an “agnostic theist”, “gnostic atheist” etc etc
@@marcusjacobrances6291 This is exactly my thought, people are using "Agnostic" as an umbrella term for both theism and atheism, then still use theist and atheist just on their gnostic form
Every inuman with 2 of my close friends laging ganito. Me as the Christian "faithful",friend 1 as the atheist (although i don't believe that he really doesn't believe in God.. Nagtatampo lang), and friend 2 as the Agnostic. Ang astig lang din na di puro kalokohan ang pinaguusapan namin. Cheers to my bros!!!
I’m not sure why this was recommended on my feed but as someone who has been struggling for the past few weeks if there’s really god, i think i needed to see this and the comments. Sobrang confused ko to the point na one night before i go to sleep, i sincerely prayed na kung totoo sya sana magpakita sya in my dreams in any form as long as the message is clear and then i said cause if hindi, i will never ever pray again and believe that he is not real but then wala, there was NOTHING at all. Growing up as a christian, I personally think na hindi madali na basta nalang hindi maniwala or i give up ang beliefs mo. I even started to think na maybe i was just being “tested”. Almost every night nag iisip ako ng mga bagay bagay like i was trying to convince myself na he’s there pero habang tumatagal mas lumalamang yung thought na there is really no god but somehow (i’m just not sure yet), something or maybe someone is responsible for our existence.
Have you tried reading the Bible po? Hindi kasi basta basta masusubok ang Diyos by asking Him things like that. I've been on the verge of losing my faith as well but there's no really other way but to draw near to Him. I tell you, it's not too late to come back. Science says, "To see is to believe." When it comes to faith, it's "To believe is to see." God is waiting for you kapatid. I love you with the love of the Lord.
Thats the first stage of agnosticism " Denial " all your life your parents haved thought you that theres a god but theres a conflict between science and religion. tried to read the bible since i was a christian too before the more i read the more i can see the loop holes of the book. Second " Anger " because of this once you haved concluded that theres really no valid point or proof that the god in the bible is true or not you felt betrayed by the people around you ( you tried to convince or debate to other people about how they are wrong and you are right )and you start hating the church or any religion for misinformation using emotions as a very powerful weapon to control the mass just like the past nung panahon ng mga kastila accept and obey, submit to our god or i will kill you or enslave you in the name of our god. Thats why naging christian dominated yung pilipinas the spanish used the power of threats and emotions to control our ancestors. Third "acceptance" you accepted and realised that the people around you were also a victim of the blind faith. been played by religious people to submit by there emotions and been indoctrinized by there parents since they were young to believe in there own religion also thats why this religious people are having a hard time accepting that there's no god or if there's...really the truth is that we dont know who it is, what it is...so you just position in the middle ( Agnosticism ) since you cant really tell if theres a god or none you choose to be educated and reasonable person enough even though you dont have a religion, you can still know whats right from wrong based on humanities order ( if you dont follow the humans law then most likely you will end up in jail we dont want that ) and well of course you are educated. We cant really prove that there's really a god same as we cant proved that there's no god so how about we just follow the law of the land and just be a better human being not bitter. ( Punahin ang gobyerno pag may mali wag mag bulag bulagan ). Respect others beliefs and just trust the universe since we lived in a physical universe and were a part of the universe. Yung nag tatrabaho ka and you try to achieved most your goals na walang inaapakang ibang tao. Imagine most of the christians are afraid na if the die they will go to heaven or hell. man theres no heaven or hell and thats a mental torture and look this idea contradicts there discription of there god ( abrahamic god ) God of love, Mercy? and okay lang sayo torturin mo in hell yung creation mo? that doesnt makes sense Where's the god of love? mercy? And last accept " Death " theres nothing to be afraid of its part of the journey even the stars die and the universe is no exception so live with less guilt and just be a good succesful human being enjoy your life now YOLO! Also try to practice STOICISM thank me later.
@@noobmeister6652 Hello po. Some points in your comment: "the more i read the more i can see the loop holes of the book" - maybe you're reading the Bible just from the point of wanting to read an ordinary book. If you're just reading the Bible to get some information and not transformation, you won't be able to see the bigger picture. "you tried to convince or debate to other people about how they are wrong and you are right" - a true Christian is not self-righteous. He knows that he is just being made righteous through Jesus. "if you dont follow the humans law then most likely you will end up in jail we dont want that" - where do you think did the human law originate? "Do not murder", "Do not steal", "Do not commit adultery" etc.. sounds familiar? "just trust the universe since we lived in a physical universe and were a part of the universe" - isn't this what you really call a "blind faith" - trusting the creation to do something for you? This universe that we live in, do you think it really just came out of nothing? Or nothing made it? Can "nothing" make "something"? "Imagine most of the christians are afraid na if the die they will go to heaven or hell" - Are you sure about this? That Christians' faith is driven by fear? Definitely not. A true Christian relies on the love of God, puts his faith on God. "theres no heaven or hell and thats a mental torture and look this idea contradicts there discription of there god ( abrahamic god ) God of love, Mercy? and okay lang sayo torturin mo in hell yung creation mo?" - Man how sure are you that there's no heaven or hell? And to gaslight God? Akala ko ba nagbabasa ka noon ng Bible? Have you even saw that God is a God of Justice? Kung tutuusin because of all our sins He could just easily kill all of us, ALL OF US, in one snap. Pero ilang milyong tsansa ba ang binibigay Niya sa atin araw-araw? Going back to the law of the land you were talking about, yung batas ng tao pwede magkulong (magparusa) ng tao, pero ang batas ng Diyos wala lang ba? Na laging gagamitin yung "God of love and mercy" to justify na hindi dapat maparusahan ang mga makasalanan? Pero ito ang totoo, sobrang tama yung sinabi mo na God is a God of mercy and love and GRACE, to the point na yung bugtong na Anak Niya ay ibinigay to receive the punishment na dapat para sa atin. He substituted Himself for us. We just have to receive Him. We don't earn our salvation. We just plainly, simply receive it. God doesn't want to torture us. God doesn't send people to hell. People send themselves to hell. Read Romans 3. "just be a good succesful human being enjoy your life now YOLO" - I hope nabasa mo 'to: 'Sapagkat dahil sa kagandahang-loob ng Diyos kayo ay naligtas sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya; at ang kaligtasang ito'y kaloob ng Diyos at hindi sa pamamagitan ng inyong sarili; hindi ito bunga ng inyong mga gawa kaya't walang dapat ipagmalaki ang sinuman. ' Mga Taga-Efeso 2:8-9 YOLO? No, we don't only live once. YOU ONLY DIE ONCE. I'm not sure kung nabasa mo ito: Itinakda sa mga tao na minsan lamang mamatay at pagkatapos ay ang paghuhukom. Hebreo 9:27 To end, I hope you consider my points. Minsan mo nang nakilala ang Diyos. The fact na nakakapagcomment ka pa sa isang TH-cam video ay patunay na may chance ka pa to go back to Him. Concerned lang ako for you and I am speaking out of love here. I understand if you won't believe me, but it's true, I am speaking out of love. I'm not judging you in any way. Who am I to judge? I may not know what made you go away from the faith, but I would like to share a quote to end. It's better to die believing there is God but there isn't, than to die believing there is no God but there is. God bless you :)
Hello bro, I respect your opinion tho i dont want a debate regarding this matter, Absolutely not going back to any kind or form of religion. Been a christian once and ive'd met most hypocritical people in my life, I dont want to become like them ( Holy lang sa sunday but in the weekdays the stupidiest people you will ever know ) although i forgive them. And im sorry but ived lean on the idea of science more than religion. Im an agnostic for quite some years now and ive'd never felt free in my life as i was in my religion before. About trusting the universe ive'd mentioned above it has nothing to do with agnosticism, Its from stoic point of view since im practicing stoicism also (Stoicism is older than christianity). Again im just replying to bitesy since he's confused and about to lean in an early stage of agnosticism. Tho I have nothing against with the christians most of my friends and families are christians i get along with them but its just sad that some of them are uneducated enough to think that there's people that dont believe in there gods and then branded them as " Lost or in there mind evil " No were not lost and certainly were not evil since we dont even believe in bible which they qoute the word "evil" to brand someone who dont believe in their own beliefs, How about were just curious people who wants to know the truth because again there's no proof yet that there's a god (theist) and at the sametime there's really no proof as well claiming that there isn't any god (atheist) and even we found out in the end that there's a god then thats another thing since we have to evaluate what kind of god is that, If its hateful, malevolent? whilst claiming to be a god of love and peace and mercy then most likely were not gonna praise that. To end this, Theres nothing wrong with being christian or atheist or whatever you believed in as long as you are living in peace and with in accordance with the universe (stoic thing sorry) Peace out bro! Ughmm not god bless? but i hope you are doing fine in your life.✌ Since you quote me with bible verses here's my quote for you as a stoic "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." - Seneca
@@noobmeister6652 Okay, I don't mean to debate with you as well. But please don't generalize Christians as hypocrites. There are times we sound judgmental, but please know that we are just coming from a position of love and concern for other people. I hope you also find the truth. The real truth. :)
There are so many things to learn about Catholicism. Sadly marami rin tao na nag-stop na lang sa kung anong observations nila and never tried to explore/discover. :)
True, I was only able to understand the nature of God, not fully but some when I started attending a Christian church. May term nga sila na ‘Saradong Catholic.’ Ata yun. Which medyo nasaktan ako pero base sa mga na witness ko and being a Catholic myself madami nga nag a-attend, observe lang pero they don’t know why they do those things. Right now, i’m still a Catholic and is in a Catholic school but I attend at a Christian and Catholic church, which I am not sure if it’s wrong but I’m currently learning about Christian teachings and I would like to explore Catholic teachings also. Because there are differences.
I hope magkaroon ulit ng ganito pero yung mga minority religions (in the Philippines) naman. Muslim, Buddhist, Jew, Hindu, etc.. "What's it like to have an uncommon religion in the Philippines?"
Agnosticism is believing there is a higher power but does not subscribe to any religion bec the higher power can neither be proven nor disproven. Hindi siya 50-50 between Christianity and aethiesm.
Agnosticism is simply knowing a higher being is unknown. meaning nobody can prove na there's a higher being, but also nobody can prove that there's no higher being
Im an atheist one time i was asked to pray before the class starts hindi ako pumayag but I explained to our teacher na its my belief ewan ko lang kung matatawag bang belief . I explained to her na I dont pray po because im an atheist but i respect your religion .. at yun nagalit si mam instead na english time nilecturan nya ako about scriptures and such also her saying na if wala kang pinapaniwalaan mapupunta ka sa hell tapos pinapamukha nya sakin na masama ang hindi maniwala even reading bible verses to me tapos dun the bad part pa is nangchika pa sa co teacher na anti christ daw ako tapos di daw ako grateful sa binigay ni god hahahahaha
thats fucked up bro i am actually scared to really out myself as atheist as you've mentioned in an environment like that lalo na na nasa christian school ako right now i told few people about it but you're experience for sure... ill take not of it i dont want the outcomes and bad feedbacks about me
She’s a hard agnostic and he’s a very soft agnostic. Atheism is a solid conviction that god does not exist even though one will usually agree that there is no way to prove that a god does not exist. An agnostic inherently leans towards atheism. Being fifty/fifty is soft agnosticism if anything.
atheism is defined as lack of belief or disbelieves the existence of gods. hence, that "lack" is just the little amount that we can't DISPROVE the existence of a higher being (def not the xtian god) so she's definitely an atheist.
An agnostic don't inherently lean towards atheism. There is Agnostic Theism and Agnostic Atheism. Being agnostic means you need proof for someone to belief. If there is no proof, there is no claim if it exist or not hence agnostic can lean towards believing there is an existence of one or more gods or the absence of it. You should re-read the meaning of Hard and Soft Agnostic.
@@rational.skeptic you could define a cake as a sweet pastry made of wheat, eggs, sugar, salt, and milk or water but there are lots of other pastries made of these things. Atheism is defined as a lack of belief or disbelief in god but I am trying to highlight that not all people who don’t think that there is a god should be called Atheists. I might have called her atheistic in another context but I would not call her an Atheist and not because of the taxonomy of the word but because of how it is important to distinguish and label people thoughtfully and productively, especially when being deeply philosophical. That said; your idea of the word is valid in its own way.
@@allanjosephcandaroma1275 in the traditional, utilitarian, and academic sense of the word; an agnostic is someone who believes that no one can prove that a god exists. We add labels to give more breadth to this idea and the varying levels of the perceived possibility of gods or a god. The idea of agnosticism is based on a fundamental scientific principle and if you accept that something cannot be proven then it cannot also exist within an understanding of science based on the same principle, which is that if there is not proof for something it doesn’t exist. The scientific concept of infinity can prove that monkeys will write the complete works of Shakespeare (this thought about monkeys was based on an old saying if you didn’t know) but not that a god exist’s; or at least not as something most people would see as a god. Your understanding of agnosticism is similar to a misconception that Is taught to many Christian’s about people to make agnostics seem like confused people. If you are religious I would accept you not agreeing with everything I just said.
thankful this video exists because i never would've known about the term 'agnostic'. i've always been quite unsure about what i believed in. i tend to think that our lives are planned out (like fate) and that everything we go through has a purpose, or in some will all correlate with each other, but at the same time i don't believe in the need to worship something/someone for a better life; it kind of feels like people just pray to god to somewhat make themselves feel better and more optimistic. like a quote from a movie i had seen, "Other animals live in the present. Humans cannot, so they invented hope." it feels nice to know that there people out there who have the same beliefs as me. it was also really fun to hear from everyone's perspectives. hope to see more interesting videos in the future!
Ang Ganda ng Content na ito, mag kakaron ka ng Personal insight sa set of Beliefs ng Tao, honestly speaking kase minsan nag kakaron lang ng wall because of practice Culture, minsan rin may Judgement and harasment coming from Hypocrite People kaya nag kakaron ng Division between different beliefs like Religion, pero if you know how to get along with People and Educate them genuinely with the Word of God I think they would listen, not necessary would agree with everything pero all that matters is the Word and truth is shared and Preached.-Kuya Lo.
I become an atheist after being a victim of a cult. Nagising ako na nanghihinayang sa mga nawalang taon na dapat ag focus nalang ako sa career ko noon at siguro ngayon mas maganda buhay na mabibigay ko sa mga anak ko.
There is no religion made by God. Religions are made by people, that's why one religion mostly varies from the others in terms of the highlights of their faith and how it is to be showed according to their identifying principles. No religion owned God. God is free. God isn't isolated in human constructs.
@@pleasespeakkindlytoyoursel8275 The true religion is in which it doesn't own God. You are right. No religion owns God. God owns us. God owns everything. The true religion is in which we submit ourselves to The Creator. I believe Islam is a religion made by God not by men and an unbiased analysis of the Qur'an proves that. Get rid of all your presuppositions and biases and read and study the Qur'an. Use your mind and be critical just how the scripture wants you to be. Islam is submission to The Creator. It is not a religion of blind faith. We are obligated to use reason. It is unlike other religions in which they just indoctrinate you and punish you for questioning. Islam wants you to asks questions and seek answers sincerely and humbly. If you say you submit yourself to The Creator, by definition, you are a Muslim.
It is not about the sector/religion you belong but if you are a believer, we must have a relationship with God that is intimate and personal. Kaya mayron tayong sariling experiences na nagbibigay saten ng proof na mayroong Higher Being. Dahil na rin sa ina-acknowledge nating hindi sa sariling kakayahan natin nanggaling ang tagumpay, or may dahilan ang bawat pagsubok na nararanasan. Hindi rin naman natin pwedeng ipilit sa iba kung ayaw maniwala. Respeto lang sa ating kapwa at kapit lang sa paniniwala. 🤍
not to judge the content but the Catholic guy "struggles with his faith" ? dapat ang i-ninvite nila dito is more strong catholic, or siguro a priest na talaga para mas justified yung side ng catholic church? mas logical and firm ang basis of defense.
Something I like about being a religious person is that they have more wisdom than non-religious people. You might disagree with this, religion reinforces many good values in our lives, but people who don't believe in religion would think that it's all about the Bible and the straight-forward belief for God. At first thought, you would think that cheating against your partner depends on everyone, but many go through this path dahil hindi masyadong established yung kahalagahan ng marriage and being faithful to a person kung ikaw ay hindi ganoon ka-religious. I'm not saying they're more likely to cheat, my point is that religion reinforces some of these values more.
As an atheist, i’ll tell you this man: Children and babies ARE born with the capability to understand religion, though, can you expect a 7 month baby kneeling down and praying in latim to jesus christ? They’ll easily adapt and accept the religion once they grow, though they dont have a choice hence extremist families
I said to my relatives once (one of them is a nun) that I don't believe in God anymore and their immediate response was, “Nacoconsume ka na ba ng kasamaan?”“yung ibang religions, evil yan. Kita mo sinasabihan tayong mga katoliko ng mga masasamang salita? Therefore, tama tayo.”soon after my aunt was like, “hindi talaga nagustuhan ng tita mo (my nun aunt) yung sinabi mo, masama yun. Wag ka nang magsabi ng ganyan kasi bata ka pa.”That pissed me off. My whole life I've been trying to please people, seeking their validations and as I grew older, I want to do things what I think is right for me. That really broke me and made me drive away from being a Catholic. I really see beauty in everything and I think that some Catholics are too firm with their beliefs that they forgot to consider and understand others.
The nun's reaction is expected since she is a devout Catholic that she even offered her life into a God she believed truly exist.... This is why as a Agnostic, I hid behind the bushes and just blend in... Religion being a strong determinant of relationships is prominent kaya being the minority.. We have to be careful even with closest people..
We need more atheist and agnostist in the Philippines. I honestly think alot of Filipinos are just only catholic by convenience. Alot don't even go to mass or do proper religious activities. They are actually more agnostic than catholic. They say they have only personal faith in God but not really follow Christian dogma. So they really aren't good catholics but great agnostics.
Also religious institutions are a perfect place for breed of abuse to occur: emotionally, physically (mostly DV and sexual abuses towards minority (most) ) mentally and self-overview...
Well if thats the case, theyre are not Atheist. Atheists dont believe in god because they believe that there's no evidence of such. Hindi dahil sa masamang nakikita nila sa simbahan at sa mga tao sa loob nito. Or dahil sa sinasabi ng babae na wala daw siyang naramdman or whatsoever. Napakababaw lang.
to the atheist: is there an objective moral standard? to the agnostic: are all beliefs equal in value? is coherence important or not? to the catholic: is there a reasonable (logical) foundation as to why you believe what you bellieve, what is it?
1. Is there an objective moral standards? Yes & No, preservation of life is an innate moral standards of all living organism however it differs depending on your culture, government & belief 2. Are all beliefs equal in value & whether coherence is important? Value is very subjective, just because you value something doesn’t mean I value it too & belief is incoherent in nature, to trust on someone or something despite the lack of evidence is lunacy, therefore I’m incapable of quantifying ones beliefs let alone all 3. I’m agnostic
I have seen my soul separate from my body. I am not lying as I fear God and would not attempt to lie about my personal experience in the spirit realm. I am not the only one..even former intellectual atheists and medical doctors have had the same experience. You are eternal my friend, whether you believe it or not..that will be your reality when you die..it is up to you to decide where to spend your eternal life...in hell or in heaven? with the enemy who is hell-bent to destroy and torture your soul or with God who laid down His life for you so that you may have eternal life in heaven? Choose Jesus, and accept Him as your Messiah..do it for your soul's sake while there is time. Death can come knocking at your door anytime, no matter how healthy you are.
@@neiltristanyabut Going out of the body should not be done voluntarily. It is a mortal sin to do so. I am one of those people who can do so without even trying. The fact I resist since I was young. It just happens.. Some pay money to master it but it can lead you to places you would not want to be in. Once you are out, you will see entities you would not want to meet.. God is real..the afterlife is real..whether you believe it or not.. Many intellectual atheists saw and felt the spirit realm themselves which made them change their perception on God and the after life.
now i can actually say that i am an AGNOSTIC. Athiesm is an evidence based belief, but i believe that there are classified infos that are not meant for the masses in this period of time.
Maganda magkaroon din ng usapan about kung ano klase kang empleyado ka sa work mo.kung ikaw ba ay hard worker o ikaw ba yung klase na chill lang.ganun.
I hope next time kumuha sila ng Catholic that has a broad knowledge on his FAITH and CHURCH. Tulad ng mga pari or Catholic defender. Not to judge this page but I just want to be more emphasized the doctrines and faith of Catholic Church.
Ang lahat ng tao sa mundo ay pinakikilos ng kanyang paniniwala. We do what we believe. Ngunit ano ba ang resulta nito sa 'yo? Kasiyahan o kalumbayan? Kapayapaan o kabalisaan? Suriin nyo ang inyong sarili. Ang lahat sa inyo ay walang katahimikan.
I believe in God, rather than not to believe. Why because after all I've been through, I can say that I know Jesus. The real Him and not the teachings about Him. Not how people describe Him. Not how he's portrayed in pop culture. And the Bible? Some believe it's literally true. Catholics believe it's not but rather symbolically true. I believe the Bible is not God but a witness to Him. Therefore the Bible cannot own God. God cannot only be understood through the Bible. I believe no religion owns God. This is what Jesus said. "If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Now since I know Jesus I obey His command. And His command is as easy as this. "Love God above all(moral commands), Love yourself. And Love others as yourself." That's it! Whenever I do "bad" things. Spoke ill to others, I feel empty, and they might feel empty as well. Whenever I succumb to greediness, I feel it seep life through me. It prevents me to enjoy life as it is. Worst it pushes people I love away from me. Lust and porn addiction is only good at the beginning but it's harmful for me in the long run. I feel it's not lust and not even sex I need but love and affection. However when I encourage others, I feel good as well. When I share with others genuinely, I feel an unexplainable sense of fulfillment in me. Porn addiction seeps the life out of me. I feel bad for the actors as well now I know they might be depressed. Sex with anyone can be beguiling at the start but sex with someone you love is the best. And I believe that I don't have sex to get wasted, I have sex to enjoy it and to help my partner enjoy it as well. Many near death experiences see a being of love. People from different parts of the world. Japanese people claim seeing a being full of love. Indians see their god of death. Christian see Jesus. As written in 1 John 4:16 "God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." I wish the best for everyone , but I believe that reasons are enough for me to believe in God, rather than not to.
@Arzen You'll go to hell not because you didn't believe and love Christ, but because you are a sinner. Everyone is deserving of hell. That's why we need a saviour, we need Christ as a substitute for our sins. As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” Romans 3:10-12 NIV Read the bible for yourself, cut the ignorance. Kahit book of John muna, so that you may have eternal life. None of our good works will save us from the wrath of God. Salvation is a free gift from God through faith in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV Magrepent ka na habang may oras pa, humingi ng tawad sa Diyos ng may humble and contrite heart. Trust in Jesus alone, who is the way, the truth and the life. He is the only way to the Father. Di ka makakapasok sa kingdom ni Lord unless you're born again. Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. John 3:5-6 NIV “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. John 14:15-17 NIV Be a true Christian and get saved or Eternal damnation in hell?? Yun lang naman ang choice natin. You don't believe God exist?? Common sense lang. Bahay = builder Kotse = car manufacturer Painting = painter Alam mo sa sarili mo na may Diyos kasi ang lahat ng nakikita mo can't create themselves. So common sense na: Creation = Creator Nothing cannot create something. It's scientifically impossible. Common sense lang na may Diyos na lumikha sa lahat.
I'm a Catholic and been a lector/commentator for 10 years, but I am open to all the possibilities. Arguing about the "true" religion or if there is or there's no God is a waste of time, when you can just a be a good person regardless of the possibilities.
I think the agnostic guy is more of a deist rather than "skeptical" agnostic. Sabi nya naniniwala siya na may higher power, it's just that hindi niya sinasamba. Hence, deism.
@@velikovkaayatan9258 may point na ang sinabi ni mark pero ang pinaka main point about deism is yung diyos na yun walang pake alam sa mundo sa lahat ng kinikilos mo o kung ano man ang mangyayari sayo wala siyang pake walang divine intervention kung baga
As an Agnostic who once believed in him, I like that religion can make people feel hope and stuff but the idea of believing in something that is we haven't seen at all is just weird, but i don't understand why some people believes in him so much that they rely on him. This "God" is something that can help our mental states and I acknowledge religion for that. I don't hate them, i like that religion can be great for other people, but if i think if a agnostic like me will see him in my own eyes or proven scientifically i would definitely believe his real indeed but still not convert to that religion fully A wise man said Respect the Gods, without relying on their help -Miyamoto Masashi if you believe in any religion or an atheist keep this in mind, Its very important that you're own life's journey and power resides within yourself not just in Gods. God only helps those who help themselves and only those who are willing to take that step forward on their journey that are rewarded. But you need to understand that the only way to truly bring change about in your life is to actively take positive action towards what you want. Religion can be great but relying too much on God don't change your life actions. God built you this way to have freedom per se. Im not trying offending anyone but please do keep this in mind. I understand both sides of atheist and theist people. I hope you are able to understand me.
As an Atheist, the bible for me was like a fairytale or a fiction book. If there is higher being why can't he just write the story in the bible on his own to be literally accurate. I believe that writers/authors of the bible were mere humans born on that era and have no knowledge of the future. They thought slavery was good but today we thought slavery was bad. Our conscience was our moral compass evolving throughout the years, the bible was just an old legend with no evidence of higher being until now.
He did write the Moral law on the clay tablet Himself and gave it to Moses. It was then written in papers by men along with Israel's History. In other words, when it comes to History, it has to be men that should write and not God. Also Slavery was never Proposed by God. It was the People of Israel who asked God to have slaves, so God permitted them but they should follow the rules which few of them are; 1. Love the slaves as urself 2. Treat them as native born 3. Don't treat them as slaves but as hired workers In short, slaves in the Bible were voluntary labor either to pay debt, to acquire land or because of poverty not forced and kidnapped as how people with less knowledge tends to demonize the Bible.
@@jonsart5643 You're right according to your bible, but based on my logical thinking, Moses could be the one who wrote those laws on the clay tablet, cause you won't dare to destroy the writings made by the fingers of your god (exodus 32:19). Slavery was never proposed by your god but also never prohibited by him. Also there are countries with different religions/beliefs but have the same moral compass.
@@EerieTalesUnleashed U can't say that because according to the Bible, the people themselves heard the voice of God at the top of the Mountain which made them very terrified. And in addition, after Moses broke the tablet out of anger, God gave Him another one in the later chapters.
@@EerieTalesUnleashed It was never prohibited because that was another way of earning money. People sell themselves for labor voluntarily in exchange for something and I don't see anything wrong with that. It still happens to this day.
Dapat ang mga Filipino ay maging Atheist na lang, kasi puro mga ipokrito naman. Kunwari simba simba, nove-novena, para-parada pero puro kasamaan pa din ang kultura. Highly accepted ang premarital sex, drinking, gambling, revelling, bullying and other despicable acts. Nagsisimba kapag linggo pero iba ang buhay mula Lunes hanggang Sabado. Puro pakunwari, kunwari banal banalan pero ang puso puro kasamaan naman. What I admire about atheists is that they are authentic. What you see is what you get. Walang mga pakunwari o pagpapanggap.
Finally, I found a smart guy, I agree with you, I have my own reason why I don't believe on God of the Bible anymore cuz of contradictions, Bible even promotes genocide and slavery which is nuts.
To all believers watching: 1. please never ever end your friendships or any kind of fruitful relationship with us agnostics and Atheist because of our beliefs.... We are still people that respect you as who you are, whatever god you may believe in.. 2. Please stop to persecute us in socials and real life.. We are just people like you.. I never forget what happened to Atheist Joy Philippines of why he suddenly stopped his YT channel.. It is because of death threats to him and his family by Theist.... As I knew of this.. I am much more aware of hiding and living amongst the hidden wolves...
Honestly, I can respect an atheist ideology and agnosticism. However, I can't deny na matakot or will feel negativity towards the person. Like I believe kasi, a faith is a very foundation of someone's moral values. So if you don't believe in God, there's a possibility you will not fear to harm someone kasi nga no God will persecute you whatever things you do. Diba nga po, the concept of KARMA was originate from Buddhism which is a form of Faith and an organized religion. Opinion ko lang po. Tho I never met someone na Atheist or Agnostic yet. Perhaps if ever makakilala ako, maybe magbago ang perception ko about them. 🙂 I'm open din naman to have a conversation.
@@the_f.24 We have history of religious group persecuting other groups that don't align with their belief. Religion itself doesn't deter someone to commit acts of violence.
Next EPISODE can you try a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, ATHEIST, and AGNOSTIC meet and talk ...... because I think Catholics are also some what on Agnostic sides.....
i relate to the agnostic person. i was raised catholic but sadly i find catholics as hypocrites and superficial. they make it seem like going to church makes u a good person, yet they do a lot of questionable things. i think theres an entity out there with a higher power, something/someone bigger than tangible things, even bigger than science (maybe theyre multidimensional beings, maybe its god, maybe both haha) but we do not have the comprehension to define it fully. i also agree with the atheist when she said that people can be complex. i think it's really important we do not cling to labels so much, because i feel like u arent 100% this and that, our minds are capable of pondering upon stuff like religion andscience and all that shit. we need to be more tolerant and less judgmental so that we may understand each other rather than just jump to a conclusion and reduce a person to a stereotype jut because they have different opinions and perspectives from yours.
Yeah higher and greater than science which is our creator God. God is greater than science, because he literally created the universe. Religion is not just a set of rules, God was the one who created those rules. Not forcing you just informing you about our faitj
Her saying that catholics only believe because we felt something thats why we believe, spits on the face of all the martyrs throughout the 2000 years of church history. Especially those who faced the most horrible of deaths in the 1st century. They attest with their lives the life, resurrection amd divinity of Christ. If she wants proofs, i recommend studying church history and philosophy, both studies that use reasoning and logic akin to the scientific approach. Some may ask that, why not do an indepth study of every religion? Why study the christian faith, especially catholic faith? An answer here would not suffice, nor should it. A brief introduction into first century christian life should be a great place to get an understanding why this religion and not others, and in the end, only the holy spirit can convict you. Great figures of the first century to look at would be Saints Paul and Peter. These men were extraordinary leaders of the Church and their testimony would shake you to your core.
Honestly, I think religion shouldn’t really matter that much. As long as you have a basic concept of right from wrong and whether or not you are hurting someone, you can live a very prosperous life. Religious people tend to be the most horrible people anyway. Just do what makes you happy but doesn’t result in you stepping on other people and enjoy life. Do not worry too much about what will happen after you die.
@Anonymous Dummy I’m sorry but, am I missing something here? Do you really need a book to tell you that taking something that isn’t yours is wrong? Or that having sex with someone when you’re in a relationship is considered a bad thing? Do you really need someone like God to tell you that taking someone’s life can land you in jail? The concept is very easy to understand. Live your life without hurting others. There are so many people out there who is living a good life without worrying about God or the Bible and what it says. It’s really up to you whether or not you think your purpose is to follow the so called words of God or just live. I’m just saying that religion can be irrelevant to someone and they don’t feel like something is missing from their life.
@@zambee1219 @Arzen You'll go to hell not because you didn't believe and love Christ, but because you are a sinner. Everyone is deserving of hell. That's why we need a saviour, we need Christ as a substitute for our sins. As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” Romans 3:10-12 NIV Read the bible for yourself, cut the ignorance. Kahit book of John muna, so that you may have eternal life. None of our good works will save us from the wrath of God. Salvation is a free gift from God through faith in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV Magrepent ka na habang may oras pa, humingi ng tawad sa Diyos ng may humble and contrite heart. Trust in Jesus alone, who is the way, the truth and the life. He is the only way to the Father. Di ka makakapasok sa kingdom ni Lord unless you're born again. Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. John 3:5-6 NIV “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. John 14:15-17 NIV Be a true Christian and get saved or Eternal damnation in hell?? Yun lang naman ang choice natin.
@@zambee1219 Common sense lang na may Diyos. Pag nakita mo ang kotse, common sense na may gumawa nyan, pag may nakita kang bahay, common sense na may gumawa. Kasi alam mong they cannot create themselves. Kapag nakita mo ang creation?? Ang kalikasan, ibon, halaman, sky, etc. so common sense na may creator. Nothing cannot create something. Common sense lang po. Creation = Creator
After watching this Im doubting myself whether Im really an athiest or Agnostic or maybe both? But being 50/50 is impossible mahirap mamangka sa dalawang ilog. I don't believe in god but I also think na merong higher being that guide us to become what we are now, kase even an animal cub can't live alone and grow up without its parents or guardian. At isapa kung iisipin mashado tayung naging matalino without a guardian? I do believe in evolution but the knowledge that we possessed is beyond comprehention.
John 1:14 The Word became a human and lived among us. We saw his glory-the glory that belongs to the only Son of the Father-and he was full of grace and truth.
I've been a Theist, and Atheist but I ended up being an Agnostic tho I have different views compared to the agnostic guy from what he said , I think he is a Deist or Agnostic Theist, on the other hand I consider myself as an Agnostic Atheist.
Allah means God. When you say you believe in God, youre basically saying you believe in Allah. Muslims don't worship OUR god. We worship GOD. Muslims don't just believe in another "g"od among the millions that men have created, we believe in God Himself. It's that simple. And we do not have a monopoly on Him, He has the monopoly on humanity. If you know what I mean. He owns us.
We have to understand that agnosticism and theism are different things. Agnostic has it's opposite form, Gnosticism, which is to firmly believe something. So we should always use them hand-in-hand instead of separating the two terms. We can't say that someone's just agnostic, instead put if they're theist or not. In terms of belief we can use 4 terms to depict someone.
Gnostic Theist- Which is what we usually call the Christians and Catholics. People who are firm believers and you can't prove things to be different than their own belief. "I believe in God and you can't tell me otherwise."
Agnostic Theist- This is somehow how Mx. George presents himself, he believes that a higher being exist yet he still seeks that evidence that it is worthy to be worshipped. Can also be someone who thinks they can be stood corrected. "I believe in God but I can be wrong."
Agnostic Atheist- Mx. Diza with the way she speaks on this video somehow exhibits this belief. Yes she believes that no higher being exists, though she can be stood corrected if presented evidence. "I don't believe in God but I can be wrong."
Gnostic Atheist- People who firmly disagrees on the existence of a higher being and is not open to corrections even if presented with evidence. "I don't believe in God and you can't tell me otherwise."
It is fine to disregard the Agnostic/Gnostic and classify yourself as simply A/Theist. But you can't say someone's agnostic without saying if they're A/Theist unless you specify that you truly do not lean on any of the two.
AGREE!
For this video, yes. You're right. But I wouldn't go right away to classify Diza in anything else other than what she, herself, classified as. Let's just respect that. But it would be more correct to say that she appears or seems or sounds more like (in this case) an agnostic atheist.
Though, there's this another facet to consider about so-called “true agnostics” that doesn't lean either to theism or atheism while being agnostic. But George here, I don't think he seems to be a “true agnostic” anyway, as per his statements.
new learningz for today. thanks for this
@@cjbaynas Yeah I may have used the wrong determiners here, I'll edit this immediately thanks for telling me. Also I have not wandered true agnosticism but I feel like it should be a very hard stand to exhibit but I will continue to study on it, thanks again :).
Though I feel like it may not be a disrespect to Mx. Diza as she herself considers herself as an atheist and did not specify if she's gnostic or not. So I just based it on how she expressed herself and put the agnostic part which I think she has not explored yet. But if that in any way makes you think I disrespected her please educate me how, I am willing to listen.
thank you for this omg ang informative!!
Wow, usually these type of videos just feature an atheist and a Christian. Thanks for the representation for us agnostics.
Yaaaas
Gnosticism is related to knowledge, not belief. The "agnostic" in this video is actually a deist; all three of them appear to be agnostic.
LOL. The "agnostic" dude doesn't even understand what agnosticism is. He is just a confused theist. Elitist daw ang atheist? What? Hahaha
Next they should feature a secularist, a communist and a zionist christian filipino. It would be interesting lol.
@@johayrmacatanong6231 yun ba zionist christian filipino in your mind is also a messianic Judaist filipino?
I am the Catholic in this video.
I might be breaching my NDA here, but as far as I'm concerned this is just a comment. I've been getting accusations that I'm not being "faithful" enough or being "Catholic" based on what's shown in this video. Not just on this comments section, but both in and outside of my circle.
First of all, the entire footage of this, uncut, is around 60-80 minutes. They had to cut this down in editing, to make it digestible, more coherent. They picked the more interesting, more engaging and more cohesive parts of our discussion as to make it accessible to everyone, not just one audience or party. There's also the problem of the algorithm flagging possibly controversial topics. All of this is fine. I'm okay with this.
What I'm not okay is with the accusations, from fellow Catholics and peers especially.
The full extent of our discussion touched upon issues like abortion, questions like gay marriage, my stance on it despite being Catholic, lapsed and nominal Catholics, the importance (and neglect) of the Catechism, how, despite my personal agency and my own issues with the stance of the Catholic Church, I still believe and align myself to its dogma. I touched upon Kant's argument from morality. I cited the words of G.K. Chesterton, brought up St. Thomas Aquinas, even touched upon Carl Jung and synchronicity to put it in a secular context. I talked about, however brief it was, my gripes about Vatican II. I talked about how nominal of a character Christ is, operating off of Tom Holland's (historian, not the actor) quote about modern morality and society being shaped positively by the presence of Christianity, contrasted by the depictions in classical myth and antiquity. I think I mentioned venerable Fulton Sheen as well. There's a lot to cover, and I cannot recall each and everything. The only respite and testament I can give you regarding all this is if ReCreate releases the entire footage, or a follow-up to this video with that footage, at least some. Either way, what they do with the footage or their content is fine, and up to their discretion. Again, I emphasize more on the reactions of peers on my end of the spectrum.
That said, I hate how people are attacking me for my struggles and doubts about my faith, as if one is allowed to not have such a thing. As if figures like Mother Teresa and Saint Faustina, did not go through times of spiritual dryness and feelings of abandonment, which is what I'm struggling through right now. It's disheartening, and though I continue to explore my faith to try and be a better believer, instances like this are the reason more people leave the Church - for showing vulnerability. Religious trauma is real, and with the way we conduct ourselves sometimes, we perpetuate this phenomenon instead of ecumenism, understanding, or conversion.
This is why non-believers have this presumption that firm believers are hypocritical (and one of the reasons why I chose to turn away from my religion), just to point it out. I'm not one to say but your comment translates your frustration and I cannot imagine how it is intensified lalo na at yung mga close pa sayo ang nagsasabi sayo nito. I commend you for keeping and believing in your faith even in times of doubt and question. I hope you find your enlightenment one day, but for now, you do you, so focus on yourself. If there's one thing I've learned in and out of the religion, it's that our relationship with God is somehow like any other. There're ups and downs, and we have the choice on how to go through it. No one can define better the relationship with God than yourself, so I hope you get through this and find your answers soon.
The topics you have mentioned that they did not include sound really interesting. Hope they make another video out of those.
I think you have more knowledge of the Church dogma, history, catechism, and philosophy than your critics or the ordinary Catholic. Hoping they would study and understand these first before critizising. Curious. Have you studied St. Augustine and the early fathers, Plato, and Pascal's wager?
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Kahit nga si Jesus struggled to follow yun will of his Father on the night bago siya mamatay sa krus. Gee . . .
as an agnostic, I believe that nothing is known or can be known about the existence of higher beings; it is simply beyond our comprehension. hence, I do not subscribe to any religion and do not worship any gods (except on my birth certificate), but I am not opposed to changing my mind if evidence is presented to me. regardless, I agree with the atheist girl that people are indeed complicated. we are born and raised in different ways, and I believe it all boils down to respecting that context. it's fine to believe in what you believe in, but don't expect others to share your convictions. you do you. I genuinely believe there is nothing to be concerned about as long as the individual is not causing harm to anyone.
I have 10 billion in my savings account. Since you lack the knowledge about the truthfulness of the existence of my 10 billion, do you think it is reasonable for you to believe that I have a 10B in my account?
@@kleind4670 hi!! I think you just handed me an analogy for how my agnosticism works. I'm assuming that 10 billion of yours represents the higher being, and in my opinion, it is not reasonable for me to believe that you have that much money on your account if I haven't seen any evidence of its veracity. at the same time, I am unable to completely debunk that notion because, I, too, lack sufficient evidence to refute its truthfulness. I hope I'm making sense.
@@cindyloumacahilos5531 If you do not have the knowledge about the truthfulness of the claim (existence of a deity), I think that it is absurd to believe in its existence. The lack of knowledge about the existence of a deity is agnosticism, and the lack of belief is atheism. Knowledge and belief aren't the synonym of each other, yet knowledge, or the lack of it can help us to decide if a claim is convincing or not.
What made you believe that the existence of a higher being is unknowable? What if we could comprehend them in the future? This statement contradicts your stance that you need the evidence first before forming a belief.
@@kleind4670 I stand corrected on the first part of your argument because I, too, find it absurd to believe in the existence of something if you don't know whether or not the claim is true in the first place. however, I see flaws in what you're attempting to argue. I disagree with how you define and differentiate agnosticism and atheism because, as far as I know, agnosticism is the belief that higher beings are unknown and that humans are incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify their belief in their existence, whereas atheism is not a lack of belief but rather an absence of it.
I find it offensive that you define those beliefs in such a derogatory way. I'm sorry to bring it up to you, sir, but agnostics are not oblivious to this matter; in fact, some of us have long been waiting for pieces of evidence to see what believers are attempting to prove. The same is true for atheists; their stance does not imply a lack of belief; rather, they have a strong conviction in their rejection of the belief. Please be mindful of your words.
As far as I can tell, you're claiming the existence of a deity and accepting it as fact, justifying that we, nonbelievers, simply lack either knowledge or belief.
Also, in response to your question, what made me believe that a higher being is unknowable and what if we can comprehend it in the future? The answer is simply because there is no sufficient reason to justify their existence or even their ability to be comprehended to this day. Thus, my stand remains.
As an atheist, the atheist girl described everything we believe in. We believe in goodness of people. We know what's right and wrong. Atheism is not equal to evilness. ❤️
How can we justify po what's right or wrong w/o God? curious lang po.
Do you need a god to tell you that it's wrong to kill people?
humanism
@@jrvillanueva9773 empathy bro. you dont need the bible or any gods to be moral.
kailangan pa ba may magsabi sa atin ng kung anong tama at mali.
@@reiserrana so ang morality po ba is based on feelings ,emotions and experiences? Then is it subjective po ba?.
"Walang pumipilit" "Walang magagalit sayo"
Me an atheist almost always getting harrassed by my Christian family and getting blamed sa mga bagay na wala naman akong kinalaman (eg. My parents marriage, my younger brother's belief in abortion, faith, school etc.)
Having always to justify why I am an atheist to almost every person i know 🙃. Answering questions like are you not afraid of hell? Are you not afraid god might test you?
It because a lot of people who's believe in God are buch of Hypocrites
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I wished parents would realize that raising a child meant that s/he would grow to have different mindsets and beliefs. That children shouldn't have to be a carbon copy of their parents.
this thinking of some catholic. also made me na hindi or ayako maging katoliko. kasi napakaraming nag sisimba pero hindi nila isinasabuhay ang pag sisimba o na tutunan nla. napakaraming hopokrito. tho marami akong friend na catholic na mababait. it's just that kung mabait ka. mabait ka. hindi ako mqbait dhil takot ako mapunta sa hell. mabait ako ksi gusto ko maging mabait sa iba. ung iba mabait kasi takot sa hell or mging makasalanan. mas marami pang hindi nag sisimba ang mas mabait pa sa nag sisimba. napakaraming hopokrito for me.
sa akin nmn po di nmn po ako hinaharassed ng pamilya ko mama or papa ko,,, kasi sina sabihan lang ako na paniwalaan ko kung ano gusto kong paniwalaan,,, kaya proud ako sa christian family ko,,, kahit ako ayy isang atheist.. vocal kasi ako sa kanila ,, na hindi na ako naniniwala sa mga bato at panginoon... kundi mismo sa tao lang talaga lahat ng gawa sa buhay...at kung anu anu pa..
@@jericogaviola9256 bcoz you dont need to believe in Fairytale being in order to become a Good Person! If you know how to be Rational and have Ethics value you can be a good guy!
I am an Agnostic person for almost 6 years now. I have a very strong morals and values in my life. And it doesn't mean that we're a person without knowing what is wrong or right. A person can still be good without religion.
Well said .morals come from common sense not religion .
Same
You can't be good without religion. Religion is inevitable. It is not restricted to belief in God. Liberalism is a religion. Humanism is a religion. It's inevitable. No matter what you do, religion will always be there. It's one of the three cores of humanity. I don't want to undermine but please read more and criticize your very thoughts.
@martina Oh you will care. I couldnt care less of you not caring. I don't lose anything. You not caring despite of, I assume, a new information for you is I assume only a sign of your inability to explore new perspectives.
@martina I never said you disrespected my ideas. Taking in new information over and over again is one thing, but reflecting upon it is another thing. Maybe you havent done the second step?
Also, how do you OBJECTIVELY know you're not losing anything? Do you just FEEL like it? Aren't there any negative emotional stimulations produced by the chemicals within you yet that makes you think your losing anything?
Anyways, it's late. I tell myself not to engage in deep stuff like this at this hours. See ya later, if ever you reply.
we need this episode to be longer. nothing has been discussed thoroughly enough so make a point on each sides
+1 Recreate beke nemen, 😀
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Re last question: “What makes you think there is no higher power?”
Personally, as an atheist, I consider religious belief as a social need. Meaning, if I think that this concept of higher being and religion does not apply to me and does not in anyway have an effect on how I see hopefulness or how I navigate life or how I develop as a person and how I deal with other folks, I would not bother myself thinking if there is really a higher power. For me, it’s not a question of “is there really a concrete evidence or not?”. Believe what you wanna believe, esp if it would help you go thru life.
I was once a Catholic. Had some disappointments. I have encountered the term - Agnostic - I tagged myself that. Then, I asked myself, “What’s the point wondering if there’s a higher power or not”. Came to some reflections that: people are capable to do good even without religion or god, I don’t think any divine intervention would in anyway affect how I deal with my life. Hence, I decided to be an atheist.
Good decision bro
The problem with your thinking though is that you, I assume did not experience other religions like Hinduism, Islam, and many others. You are generalizing how yoh perceive religion based on what you experienced from your once Christian/Catholic faith. Also your disbelief in subjective. Matters like these should be attended objectively. You don't just disbelieve in a higher power just because "you feel like it". There's bigger things beyond our selves.
@@kiloocal8763 How can you attend on these matters objectively? TBH, I tried that approach. That’s why I came from a mindset of: “Does it exist or not?”. And it led me to just discrediting the good experiences of others in their religion.
Now here you are claiming that we should be objective yet you’re narrative is just a facade. If you think that we should be objective, you should have included: 1) Evidence that there is a higher being; 2) Which higher being claimed by the different religions is the true one?; 3) What are your supports to question 2? But the problem is that if we’re gonna discuss it that way, diverse narratives would then come in and the conversation would goi in circle. Now tell me more abt your concept of objectivity within this context.
I say: I am for “understanding” - you do you. I am not for shoving what you believe in to other folks (esp to those that are different to yours).
@@kiloocal8763 Hindi nga kami naniniwala bakit kami magttry ng ibang religion? Bakit namin susubukan na iprove ourselves wrong? Hindi kami naniniwala kasi wala ngang evidence, at sabi sabi haka haka guni guni ay hindi evidence. Yung bible quran etc ay hindi rin evidence. Walang dahilan to try other religions na wala ngang evidence.
@@jgereaux Among evidence mo na walang evidence. Narinig mo dn sa haka hala Ng community mo? Look around you and look within yourself. These are evidence of The Creator. Myths are composed of real things. Fake stuff are made up of real stuff. If you combine a man and a donkey which are two real things, you get a mythical creature. But can you create the myth of The Creator? No you can't. Because He is the Creator. You cannot create the Creator for the very real things that humans use to create myths are created by God Himself. In other words, the knowledge of God is within ourselves. It's pure intuition. Why are you looking for a scientific evidence when our awareness of God is in the highest source of knowledge, pure intuition.
And by the way, proving ourselves wrong is called critical thinking.
This video made me cry. Not in a negative way. More like a happy cry. I like how they're so chill talking to each other knowing that the topic is about their beliefs. We can live in diversity with understanding.
Diversity will never happen.
"Just as no one can be forced into belief, so no one can be forced into unbelief."
-Sigmund Freud
christians, muslims, and other religions throughout history: have you met 'convert or die'?
Ex Muslim and now I am a Atheist. Atheists and Agnostics are growing in Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Western countries and Latin America countries.
Hindi ko alam kung saan talaga ako naniniwala naman ako sa panginoon pero hindi ako relihiyosong tao hindi ako nagsisimba huling simba ko 4 years ago pa pero nagdadasal ako para humingi ng tawad at magpasalamat. Naniniwala rin ako sa science na nag evolve tayo
as an agnostic he represented us very well. ✨
im a catholic girl with religious trauma- after a lighthearted question about what they thought about the lgbt community, i was threatened by my parents, saying that I'd be kicked out and sent to "therapy" if they found out i was gay. i was outed by my guidance counselor. i had numerous rumors and deepfakes about me, spread throughout the school grounds because they suspected i was gay. i left the church 2 years ago, but came back after studying church history, yet i still question my faith everyday. this was a wonderful vid hehe i learned a bit more about dif beliefs.
Oh my god. I'm so sorry you had to go through that, especially the rumors and the deepfakes. You didn't deserve to go through such a thing.
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I'm sorry to hear that. But ang importante dito is your personal faith and beliefs. Yung mismong personal relationship with God. I'm a devout Catholic, but I focus on my own personal growth. Hindi ko minamind what others think about me, the Catholicism, etc. You cannot please everybody. So just do you!
You gotta tell them that neither the LORD nor Jesus mentioned anything about homosexuality. It's all a fucked up misconception.
@@saulgoodman5494 SPEAK THE TRUTH AND THAT IS THE TRUTH!! If it was a sin, then why is it that literally the whole Bible contradicts those verses about homosexuality? God said come unto me as you are, period. Love is pure according to the Bible. It's kinda weird how two girls or two guys being in love is a sin. If anything, the ORIGINAL verse talks about p3d0phillia which MAKES MORE SENSE obviously. The whole Bible talks about God's love and how much He loves us no matter what.
It's true that ang mga usaping religion e di masyadong napapagusapan, kung napaguusapan man e laging nagkakaroon ng conflict at mas nagkakagalit yung mga naguusap. Kudos to this kind of content.
It's refreshing to see discussions about this. And I also find the comment section very interesting to read. Personally, I'm still confused about my belief so sometimes I find it uncomfortable being labeled. I don't usually talk very much about this because I also don't want to invalidate other people's faith. I don't believe in gods. I don't believe in religion. I think religion is just people's lazy alternative in explaining the existence of the universe and all its constituents. I strongly believe in science. And I acknowledge that even science only has its theories, but at least evidences are being presented systematically and in great detail. Can I consider myself an agnostic atheist?
Yes.
This is actually my stance as well tho im not confused abt my beliefs anymore. I consider myself as agnostic atheist ♡
You seem to confuse a theory with a scientific theory.
"theory" means something very different in lay language than it does in science: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing.
Like evolution. Religious people like to claim that it is "just a theory" because of the name evolutionary theory. But will gladly accept gravitational theory, even though we have more evidence for the former.
So we dont "only have our theories.", we have actual testable and provable facts :P
@@Uhdksurvhunter ohh yes I understand. But i guess how I understand them is even tho those 'theories' are testable and already somewhat proven, there are still room for improvement and further studies can still be made to fully grasp the different concepts in science. Those are based on calculations and different scientists also have different interpretations which could also prove or disprove these certain theories. Unlike those who firmly believe in the words of their sacred books. They seem to contradict all other explanations of things. Sorry if I can't really express things clearly I'm not very good at explaining when there's lots of stuff going on in my head hahahaha but yea
More likely, as though you don't believe on any god as there's no solid evidence, yet you're open to the possibility if may solid evidence.
Atheist here and I am so happy to see this kind of content. Thank you Rec. Create for doing this. I've seen the first content (Catholic x Atheist). Nakakagaan sa pakiramdam to out yourself as an atheist. ❤️
Ikr, kung marami lang sanang open minded sa country natin edi sana masaya ang buhay 😅
I'am an agnostic person but on paper I'm Catholic cause you know my family members are religious. I personally believe in science and there are church sayings na I disagree on. But part of me still believes that there is God but my faith is more of personal than institutional. My faith is like Pi, in the movie Life of Pi, I influenced myself in the values of different religions.
Honestly, I refer to God as God only, but I do not dedicate myself to any saints or any rediculous and outdated rules some religions imply. Sometimes, I see religion more of a tradition specially in a religous country like Philippines.
I do not intend to bash on religions because without it morality wouldn't be as important as it is today. I'm just saying that being agnostic isn't something to be afraid or ashamed of.
Respect my opinions na lang...
I respect you sister..
Currently hiding in the bushes din cause we are bit similar for being Roman Catholic in paper.. I am much of an some type of agnostic...
I do not want to be part of a religious organization with proven records of pedophilia, abuse of authority, lying to the world about good works (mother teresa), corruption, etc...
Aaaaaahh same, I'm also an agnostic theist but I like to take account all the other religions in real life applications. I'm also a Roman Catholic by paper but yeaahh ... there's a lot of stuff that I don't agree on.
Did not intend to bash religion but branded the veneration of saints as "ridiculous", perhaps you need to read catechism because saints are rolemodels for being good, we get inspirational stories how they made their lives good so why not respect them. Also, science is very respected in Catholic Church, many scientists of history were clerics. Even big bang theory that most know today was created by a catholic priest.
I see
Science only explains the creation of God, so science doesn't contradict God. Search more! Marami ka pang hindi alam..
I'm an Atheist. To me, no judgement and respecting everyone's opinion and belief as long as its ethical is commendable.
I have a question. Is hitler a bad person for trying to kill all jews?
@@jrvillanueva9773 it will depend on the perspective of the answers recipient. It doesn't matter what will I say if you have a preferred answer then my opinion will not matter.
@@DevOpsPinas Then are u saying that it is not objectively true that trying to murder a race is wrong?
@@jrvillanueva9773 where did you get this? Didn't you understand my reply? The fact that you threw your question surely proved my previous statement correct. Wala pa akong sinasabi but you assumed that what you are saying is what I am thinking.
@@jrvillanueva9773 in addition, kindly check the thread. The word "ethical" is present. From there, you can answer your own question. Thank you.
as an atheist living in PH im really glad that such shows exist for more awareness. the lady is just spilling out my mind.good job guys
I have seen my own body separate from my soul. I am not lying as I fear God and would not attempt to lie about my personal experience in the spirit realm. I am not the only one..even former intellectual atheists and medical doctors have had the same experience. You are eternal my friend, whether you believe it or not..that will be your reality when you die..it is up to you to decide where to spend your eternal life...in hell or in heaven? with the enemy who is hell-bent to destroy and torture your soul or with God who laid down His life for you so that you may have eternal life in heaven? Choose Jesus, and accept Him as your Messiah..do it for your soul's sake while there is time. Death can come knocking at your door anytime, no matter how healthy you are.
Been a Catholic my entire life, became an altar boy and a choir member but the teachings I have been learning inside the dogma is just too dense, or should I put it opaque. We have common sense and I highly agree with both atheist and agnostic that true believers are hypocritical. I grew up being named as an outcast, a deviant. As an agnostic, we do believe in a higher being but just focuses on what is NOW, the present.
I (agnostic) started when I understand more about people, I studied psychology and practices my knowledge since then. I don't debunk people with their beliefs as long as they don't step on my own beliefs and principles.
For Catholics, most people don't find comfort in praying 😊 and when you tell, "Magdasal ka lang" or "Iasa mo yan sa panginoon" is invalidating ones feelings.
For Atheist, not that I agree that there's no God. There might be something or someone responsible for our existence.
Overall, this topic is very good to endulge.
Thanks again Recreate!
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Kaway kaway sa mga altar boys jan na tumiwalag na paglaki hahaha
might. so you're just guessing
@@neiltristanyabut might...
No definite, even scientific evidences that proves the existence of God.
I'd rather put it into perspective that there is a higher being, responsible why we exist.
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Agnostics doesn't just guess but rely on proven evidences.
@@pringpring7550 'there is', but you don't bother waiting for a proof before believing in it
putting the cart before the horse
"Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence."
-Carl Sagan
As an agnostic I'm so happy na may ganitong content na naririnig din ang side ng agnostic and magkaiba sa Atheist
i am a catholic myself but that doesn’t mean I do not see the wrongs being thought to those who preach the church.
also, I respect if someone would say they are agnostic or atheist. i wouldn’t ask why they became like thay because i think that it shouldn’t matter.
I'm a "confirmed" Catholic. I don't know where and who I would be if it wasn't for my faith and beliefs. I became more at peace with myself when I found Jesus. It gives me comfort knowing that there's a higher being who is in more control. Whether or not people believe in God, the idea of faith is a very powerful character one can have. You'll go far in life despite trials and tribulations.
When you think about worshipping. Don't we all worship someone or something? For some, it's money, an artist, material possessions, or self.
When I was an atheist, I became conceited. There was nothing to humble me. Then one day I realized I was worshipping myself. And that's when I decided to try to bring back my faith. It was not easy because I believe in science more.
One day, I asked myself how was time created. Then I had a revelation. It must be a being not bound by time, energy, or space. That being is living in a different dimension, that's why we can't see him.
Indeed.
As far as I know, agnoticism is just answering whether there is a god or not with a simple "maybe" and "not sure" it's not "believing in a higher power but not don't worship it" that's more like deism.
i was thinking the same way actually kase that's how i view myself as an agnostic too baka iba din sa kanya idk 😁
Respect and love is what we need. Always choose to be kind
lukewarm christians
and yet christians trying to enforce christian rules through state law
so pwede ba?
I love this video. A very healthy representation of each others belief. Without judgement, just pure respect. No ignorance. Good job!
Pssh pure respect daw
I think the agnostic is actually a deist. He believes in a higher power but does not worship it. That can be a form of deism.
Agnostic guy: "I believe in a higher deity but I don't worship it".
WTF really? Is he an agnostic for real? 🤡
Same
right finally someone said it
To see is to believe, just simple be naturalism👍😁
I think that agnostic and atheist are in a different categories, so basically there are 2 categories when it comes to labeling yourself so the first one is “gnostic and agnostic” gnostic means u have a strong conviction to ur beliefs whereas agnostic mindset doesnt have a strong belief meaning theyre not sure with the beliefs they hold. The Second category is “theism and atheism”. Theism beliefs that theres a higher power and atheism doenst believe in a higher power. So in conclusion you will label yourself in that 2 categories whether you are an “agnostic theist”, “gnostic atheist” etc etc
So the agnostic guy is probably agnostic theist because he still believes in a higher power though his beliefs are null thats why its called agnostic
I personally am an “agnostic atheist” meaning I dont believe in any higher power BUT Im not sure if my beliefs are true
@@marcusjacobrances6291 This is exactly my thought, people are using "Agnostic" as an umbrella term for both theism and atheism, then still use theist and atheist just on their gnostic form
Wow finally like Jubilee's Middle ground segment here in the Philippines. Hopefully I could be part of this huhu. Fingers crossed.
Every inuman with 2 of my close friends laging ganito. Me as the Christian "faithful",friend 1 as the atheist (although i don't believe that he really doesn't believe in God.. Nagtatampo lang), and friend 2 as the Agnostic. Ang astig lang din na di puro kalokohan ang pinaguusapan namin. Cheers to my bros!!!
Whether you believe on something or not, basta makaTao ka, walang sinasaktan na iba, that's totally fine ❤
I’m not sure why this was recommended on my feed but as someone who has been struggling for the past few weeks if there’s really god, i think i needed to see this and the comments. Sobrang confused ko to the point na one night before i go to sleep, i sincerely prayed na kung totoo sya sana magpakita sya in my dreams in any form as long as the message is clear and then i said cause if hindi, i will never ever pray again and believe that he is not real but then wala, there was NOTHING at all. Growing up as a christian, I personally think na hindi madali na basta nalang hindi maniwala or i give up ang beliefs mo. I even started to think na maybe i was just being “tested”. Almost every night nag iisip ako ng mga bagay bagay like i was trying to convince myself na he’s there pero habang tumatagal mas lumalamang yung thought na there is really no god but somehow (i’m just not sure yet), something or maybe someone is responsible for our existence.
Have you tried reading the Bible po? Hindi kasi basta basta masusubok ang Diyos by asking Him things like that. I've been on the verge of losing my faith as well but there's no really other way but to draw near to Him. I tell you, it's not too late to come back.
Science says, "To see is to believe."
When it comes to faith, it's "To believe is to see."
God is waiting for you kapatid. I love you with the love of the Lord.
Thats the first stage of agnosticism " Denial " all your life your parents haved thought you that theres a god but theres a conflict between science and religion. tried to read the bible since i was a christian too before the more i read the more i can see the loop holes of the book. Second " Anger " because of this once you haved concluded that theres really no valid point or proof that the god in the bible is true or not you felt betrayed by the people around you ( you tried to convince or debate to other people about how they are wrong and you are right )and you start hating the church or any religion for misinformation using emotions as a very powerful weapon to control the mass just like the past nung panahon ng mga kastila accept and obey, submit to our god or i will kill you or enslave you in the name of our god. Thats why naging christian dominated yung pilipinas the spanish used the power of threats and emotions to control our ancestors. Third "acceptance" you accepted and realised that the people around you were also a victim of the blind faith. been played by religious people to submit by there emotions and been indoctrinized by there parents since they were young to believe in there own religion also thats why this religious people are having a hard time accepting that there's no god or if there's...really the truth is that we dont know who it is, what it is...so you just position in the middle ( Agnosticism ) since you cant really tell if theres a god or none you choose to be educated and reasonable person enough even though you dont have a religion, you can still know whats right from wrong based on humanities order ( if you dont follow the humans law then most likely you will end up in jail we dont want that ) and well of course you are educated. We cant really prove that there's really a god same as we cant proved that there's no god so how about we just follow the law of the land and just be a better human being not bitter. ( Punahin ang gobyerno pag may mali wag mag bulag bulagan ). Respect others beliefs and just trust the universe since we lived in a physical universe and were a part of the universe. Yung nag tatrabaho ka and you try to achieved most your goals na walang inaapakang ibang tao. Imagine most of the christians are afraid na if the die they will go to heaven or hell. man theres no heaven or hell and thats a mental torture and look this idea contradicts there discription of there god ( abrahamic god ) God of love, Mercy? and okay lang sayo torturin mo in hell yung creation mo? that doesnt makes sense Where's the god of love? mercy? And last accept " Death " theres nothing to be afraid of its part of the journey even the stars die and the universe is no exception so live with less guilt and just be a good succesful human being enjoy your life now YOLO! Also try to practice STOICISM thank me later.
@@noobmeister6652 Hello po.
Some points in your comment:
"the more i read the more i can see the loop holes of the book" - maybe you're reading the Bible just from the point of wanting to read an ordinary book. If you're just reading the Bible to get some information and not transformation, you won't be able to see the bigger picture.
"you tried to convince or debate to other people about how they are wrong and you are right" - a true Christian is not self-righteous. He knows that he is just being made righteous through Jesus.
"if you dont follow the humans law then most likely you will end up in jail we dont want that" - where do you think did the human law originate? "Do not murder", "Do not steal", "Do not commit adultery" etc.. sounds familiar?
"just trust the universe since we lived in a physical universe and were a part of the universe" - isn't this what you really call a "blind faith" - trusting the creation to do something for you? This universe that we live in, do you think it really just came out of nothing? Or nothing made it? Can "nothing" make "something"?
"Imagine most of the christians are afraid na if the die they will go to heaven or hell" - Are you sure about this? That Christians' faith is driven by fear? Definitely not. A true Christian relies on the love of God, puts his faith on God.
"theres no heaven or hell and thats a mental torture and look this idea contradicts there discription of there god ( abrahamic god ) God of love, Mercy? and okay lang sayo torturin mo in hell yung creation mo?" - Man how sure are you that there's no heaven or hell? And to gaslight God? Akala ko ba nagbabasa ka noon ng Bible? Have you even saw that God is a God of Justice? Kung tutuusin because of all our sins He could just easily kill all of us, ALL OF US, in one snap. Pero ilang milyong tsansa ba ang binibigay Niya sa atin araw-araw? Going back to the law of the land you were talking about, yung batas ng tao pwede magkulong (magparusa) ng tao, pero ang batas ng Diyos wala lang ba? Na laging gagamitin yung "God of love and mercy" to justify na hindi dapat maparusahan ang mga makasalanan? Pero ito ang totoo, sobrang tama yung sinabi mo na God is a God of mercy and love and GRACE, to the point na yung bugtong na Anak Niya ay ibinigay to receive the punishment na dapat para sa atin. He substituted Himself for us. We just have to receive Him. We don't earn our salvation. We just plainly, simply receive it. God doesn't want to torture us. God doesn't send people to hell. People send themselves to hell. Read Romans 3.
"just be a good succesful human being enjoy your life now YOLO" -
I hope nabasa mo 'to: 'Sapagkat dahil sa kagandahang-loob ng Diyos kayo ay naligtas sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya; at ang kaligtasang ito'y kaloob ng Diyos at hindi sa pamamagitan ng inyong sarili; hindi ito bunga ng inyong mga gawa kaya't walang dapat ipagmalaki ang sinuman. '
Mga Taga-Efeso 2:8-9
YOLO? No, we don't only live once. YOU ONLY DIE ONCE.
I'm not sure kung nabasa mo ito:
Itinakda sa mga tao na minsan lamang mamatay at pagkatapos ay ang paghuhukom. Hebreo 9:27
To end, I hope you consider my points. Minsan mo nang nakilala ang Diyos. The fact na nakakapagcomment ka pa sa isang TH-cam video ay patunay na may chance ka pa to go back to Him. Concerned lang ako for you and I am speaking out of love here. I understand if you won't believe me, but it's true, I am speaking out of love. I'm not judging you in any way. Who am I to judge? I may not know what made you go away from the faith, but I would like to share a quote to end.
It's better to die believing there is God but there isn't, than to die believing there is no God but there is.
God bless you :)
Hello bro,
I respect your opinion tho i dont want a debate regarding this matter, Absolutely not going back to any kind or form of religion. Been a christian once and ive'd met most hypocritical people in my life, I dont want to become like them ( Holy lang sa sunday but in the weekdays the stupidiest people you will ever know ) although i forgive them. And im sorry but ived lean on the idea of science more than religion. Im an agnostic for quite some years now and ive'd never felt free in my life as i was in my religion before.
About trusting the universe ive'd mentioned above it has nothing to do with agnosticism, Its from stoic point of view since im practicing stoicism also (Stoicism is older than christianity). Again im just replying to bitesy since he's confused and about to lean in an early stage of agnosticism. Tho I have nothing against with the christians most of my friends and families are christians i get along with them but its just sad that some of them are uneducated enough to think that there's people that dont believe in there gods and then branded them as " Lost or in there mind evil " No were not lost and certainly were not evil since we dont even believe in bible which they qoute the word "evil" to brand someone who dont believe in their own beliefs, How about were just curious people who wants to know the truth because again there's no proof yet that there's a god (theist) and at the sametime there's really no proof as well claiming that there isn't any god (atheist) and even we found out in the end that there's a god then thats another thing since we have to evaluate what kind of god is that, If its hateful, malevolent? whilst claiming to be a god of love and peace and mercy then most likely were not gonna praise that.
To end this, Theres nothing wrong with being christian or atheist or whatever you believed in as long as you are living in peace and with in accordance with the universe (stoic thing sorry) Peace out bro! Ughmm not god bless? but i hope you are doing fine in your life.✌
Since you quote me with bible verses here's my quote for you as a stoic
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." - Seneca
@@noobmeister6652 Okay, I don't mean to debate with you as well.
But please don't generalize Christians as hypocrites. There are times we sound judgmental, but please know that we are just coming from a position of love and concern for other people.
I hope you also find the truth. The real truth. :)
There are so many things to learn about Catholicism. Sadly marami rin tao na nag-stop na lang sa kung anong observations nila and never tried to explore/discover. :)
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True, I was only able to understand the nature of God, not fully but some when I started attending a Christian church. May term nga sila na ‘Saradong Catholic.’ Ata yun. Which medyo nasaktan ako pero base sa mga na witness ko and being a Catholic myself madami nga nag a-attend, observe lang pero they don’t know why they do those things.
Right now, i’m still a Catholic and is in a Catholic school but I attend at a Christian and Catholic church, which I am not sure if it’s wrong but I’m currently learning about Christian teachings and I would like to explore Catholic teachings also. Because there are differences.
Discovering inquisition is enough for me to stop. Sorry no thanks
True. There's more to Catholicism than what meets the eye. It's sad because they're missing out on its beauty 🙁
@@lovelyloaabeauty for fearing an imaginary imported colonial cult god? No thank you. It's beautified gas lighting pseudo pagan religion.
I hope magkaroon ulit ng ganito pero yung mga minority religions (in the Philippines) naman. Muslim, Buddhist, Jew, Hindu, etc..
"What's it like to have an uncommon religion in the Philippines?"
Predictable especially atheist that they will just think they're exactly the same so it's pointless
tapos may Iglesia din. lol
Interestingly Islam is one of the biggest religion in the world but most people in the Philippines consider Muslims as minority 🤔
Ganyan nga dapat yung nag dedebate kasi sila yung may ibat ibang klase nang higher being😂
Add those with animistic belief in the mix 😉
Agnosticism is believing there is a higher power but does not subscribe to any religion bec the higher power can neither be proven nor disproven. Hindi siya 50-50 between Christianity and aethiesm.
Incorrect. Believing in a god is either theism or deism. There's no room for agnosticism in that picture.
Agnosticism is simply knowing a higher being is unknown. meaning nobody can prove na there's a higher being, but also nobody can prove that there's no higher being
I believe you're referring to deism.
@@kabaliwan13 that's deism
Im an atheist one time i was asked to pray before the class starts hindi ako pumayag but I explained to our teacher na its my belief ewan ko lang kung matatawag bang belief . I explained to her na I dont pray po because im an atheist but i respect your religion .. at yun nagalit si mam instead na english time nilecturan nya ako about scriptures and such also her saying na if wala kang pinapaniwalaan mapupunta ka sa hell tapos pinapamukha nya sakin na masama ang hindi maniwala even reading bible verses to me tapos dun the bad part pa is nangchika pa sa co teacher na anti christ daw ako tapos di daw ako grateful sa binigay ni god hahahahaha
thats fucked up bro i am actually scared to really out myself as atheist as you've mentioned in an environment like that lalo na na nasa christian school ako right now i told few people about it but you're experience for sure... ill take not of it i dont want the outcomes and bad feedbacks about me
What the fck hahaha, if I were you maglelead nalang ako, pang iwas nalang gulo ganun, napakarelihiyoso kasi ng bansa natin puro naman hipokrito.
agnostic is similar on being hindu and buddhism we only care the right or wrong of the world and be consistent of being stoic in your situation
She’s a hard agnostic and he’s a very soft agnostic. Atheism is a solid conviction that god does not exist even though one will usually agree that there is no way to prove that a god does not exist. An agnostic inherently leans towards atheism. Being fifty/fifty is soft agnosticism if anything.
atheism is defined as lack of belief or disbelieves the existence of gods. hence, that "lack" is just the little amount that we can't DISPROVE the existence of a higher being (def not the xtian god) so she's definitely an atheist.
An agnostic don't inherently lean towards atheism. There is Agnostic Theism and Agnostic Atheism. Being agnostic means you need proof for someone to belief. If there is no proof, there is no claim if it exist or not hence agnostic can lean towards believing there is an existence of one or more gods or the absence of it. You should re-read the meaning of Hard and Soft Agnostic.
@@rational.skeptic you could define a cake as a sweet pastry made of wheat, eggs, sugar, salt, and milk or water but there are lots of other pastries made of these things. Atheism is defined as a lack of belief or disbelief in god but I am trying to highlight that not all people who don’t think that there is a god should be called Atheists. I might have called her atheistic in another context but I would not call her an Atheist and not because of the taxonomy of the word but because of how it is important to distinguish and label people thoughtfully and productively, especially when being deeply philosophical.
That said; your idea of the word is valid in its own way.
@@allanjosephcandaroma1275 in the traditional, utilitarian, and academic sense of the word; an agnostic is someone who believes that no one can prove that a god exists. We add labels to give more breadth to this idea and the varying levels of the perceived possibility of gods or a god. The idea of agnosticism is based on a fundamental scientific principle and if you accept that something cannot be proven then it cannot also exist within an understanding of science based on the same principle, which is that if there is not proof for something it doesn’t exist. The scientific concept of infinity can prove that monkeys will write the complete works of Shakespeare (this thought about monkeys was based on an old saying if you didn’t know) but not that a god exist’s; or at least not as something most people would see as a god. Your understanding of agnosticism is similar to a misconception that Is taught to many Christian’s about people to make agnostics seem like confused people.
If you are religious I would accept you not agreeing with everything I just said.
thankful this video exists because i never would've known about the term 'agnostic'. i've always been quite unsure about what i believed in. i tend to think that our lives are planned out (like fate) and that everything we go through has a purpose, or in some will all correlate with each other, but at the same time i don't believe in the need to worship something/someone for a better life; it kind of feels like people just pray to god to somewhat make themselves feel better and more optimistic. like a quote from a movie i had seen, "Other animals live in the present. Humans cannot, so they invented hope."
it feels nice to know that there people out there who have the same beliefs as me. it was also really fun to hear from everyone's perspectives. hope to see more interesting videos in the future!
Very healthy conversation, kudos sa channel nato.
Ang Ganda ng Content na ito, mag kakaron ka ng Personal insight sa set of Beliefs ng Tao, honestly speaking kase minsan nag kakaron lang ng wall because of practice Culture, minsan rin may Judgement and harasment coming from Hypocrite People kaya nag kakaron ng Division between different beliefs like Religion, pero if you know how to get along with People and Educate them genuinely with the Word of God I think they would listen, not necessary would agree with everything pero all that matters is the Word and truth is shared and Preached.-Kuya Lo.
do pro life and pro choice next vid
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I become an atheist after being a victim of a cult. Nagising ako na nanghihinayang sa mga nawalang taon na dapat ag focus nalang ako sa career ko noon at siguro ngayon mas maganda buhay na mabibigay ko sa mga anak ko.
“Religion is flawed, but only because man is flawed.” ― Dan Brown, Angels & Demons
True. What if you find a religion made by God? Will that quote apply then?
There is no religion made by God. Religions are made by people, that's why one religion mostly varies from the others in terms of the highlights of their faith and how it is to be showed according to their identifying principles.
No religion owned God. God is free. God isn't isolated in human constructs.
@@pleasespeakkindlytoyoursel8275
The true religion is in which it doesn't own God. You are right. No religion owns God. God owns us. God owns everything. The true religion is in which we submit ourselves to The Creator.
I believe Islam is a religion made by God not by men and an unbiased analysis of the Qur'an proves that. Get rid of all your presuppositions and biases and read and study the Qur'an. Use your mind and be critical just how the scripture wants you to be.
Islam is submission to The Creator. It is not a religion of blind faith. We are obligated to use reason. It is unlike other religions in which they just indoctrinate you and punish you for questioning. Islam wants you to asks questions and seek answers sincerely and humbly. If you say you submit yourself to The Creator, by definition, you are a Muslim.
so where's an all-powerful god when you need one?
@@neiltristanyabut LOL dumb question. He will not spoon-feed you, God is not your servant.
It’s like part 2 kase meron ng part 1 nito dati sa channel to. RESPECT US
I like this kind of content, I think I'm also an Agnostic.
It is not about the sector/religion you belong but if you are a believer, we must have a relationship with God that is intimate and personal. Kaya mayron tayong sariling experiences na nagbibigay saten ng proof na mayroong Higher Being. Dahil na rin sa ina-acknowledge nating hindi sa sariling kakayahan natin nanggaling ang tagumpay, or may dahilan ang bawat pagsubok na nararanasan. Hindi rin naman natin pwedeng ipilit sa iba kung ayaw maniwala. Respeto lang sa ating kapwa at kapit lang sa paniniwala. 🤍
not to judge the content but the Catholic guy "struggles with his faith" ? dapat ang i-ninvite nila dito is more strong catholic, or siguro a priest na talaga para mas justified yung side ng catholic church? mas logical and firm ang basis of defense.
I think parehas lang sila, yung dalawa ganon din na not strong enough so equal lang.
cut ata yong entire vid
The Catholic guy commented, look for it. He kinda answered your baseless sentiments
@@oompaloompa344 can't see itttt
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yan hinihintay ko talaga.... sana makakita pa ako nang mas mahuhusay na freethinkers na mas magaling pa sakin .. at mas matalino..
Something I like about being a religious person is that they have more wisdom than non-religious people.
You might disagree with this, religion reinforces many good values in our lives, but people who don't believe in religion would think that it's all about the Bible and the straight-forward belief for God.
At first thought, you would think that cheating against your partner depends on everyone, but many go through this path dahil hindi masyadong established yung kahalagahan ng marriage and being faithful to a person kung ikaw ay hindi ganoon ka-religious. I'm not saying they're more likely to cheat, my point is that religion reinforces some of these values more.
Napakasensitibong paksa, pagbati REC•CREATE 👏☺️ mahusay!
Everybody was born without the belief of the existence of a "God". It's the society that planted that concept in your mind.
As an atheist, i’ll tell you this man: Children and babies ARE born with the capability to understand religion, though, can you expect a 7 month baby kneeling down and praying in latim to jesus christ? They’ll easily adapt and accept the religion once they grow, though they dont have a choice hence extremist families
Love this but I think Rec-Create should release the uncut version too. I'd love to listen in on the full conversation.
I said to my relatives once (one of them is a nun) that I don't believe in God anymore and their immediate response was, “Nacoconsume ka na ba ng kasamaan?”“yung ibang religions, evil yan. Kita mo sinasabihan tayong mga katoliko ng mga masasamang salita? Therefore, tama tayo.”soon after my aunt was like, “hindi talaga nagustuhan ng tita mo (my nun aunt) yung sinabi mo, masama yun. Wag ka nang magsabi ng ganyan kasi bata ka pa.”That pissed me off. My whole life I've been trying to please people, seeking their validations and as I grew older, I want to do things what I think is right for me.
That really broke me and made me drive away from being a Catholic. I really see beauty in everything and I think that some Catholics are too firm with their beliefs that they forgot to consider and understand others.
The nun's reaction is expected since she is a devout Catholic that she even offered her life into a God she believed truly exist....
This is why as a Agnostic, I hid behind the bushes and just blend in... Religion being a strong determinant of relationships is prominent kaya being the minority.. We have to be careful even with closest people..
@@yachishairclips2250 Yes I totally agree, at that time I was also not aware of my words but now I just gave up and also blend in with them
@@dazzle.y Keep holding on.. I believe, both of us somedays could find poeple close to us that do have same beliefs as us
Understanding and respect is the key here! Kudos sa video na nato!
" I believe that there's a higher power, but I don't worship that higher power"- he's not an agnostic, he's a Deist.
he is agnostic theist
It's still in the agnostic spectrum.
We need more atheist and agnostist in the Philippines. I honestly think alot of Filipinos are just only catholic by convenience. Alot don't even go to mass or do proper religious activities. They are actually more agnostic than catholic. They say they have only personal faith in God but not really follow Christian dogma. So they really aren't good catholics but great agnostics.
Atheists and Agnostics separates from man-made religions due to disappointment🤷. Religions nowadays are both faith and business at the same time.
a lot of disappointments: the community, the dogma, the lack of evidence, the fallacies, the hate.
Mostly business my friend .its all about the money
Also religious institutions are a perfect place for breed of abuse to occur: emotionally, physically (mostly DV and sexual abuses towards minority (most) ) mentally and self-overview...
Well if thats the case, theyre are not Atheist.
Atheists dont believe in god because they believe that there's no evidence of such.
Hindi dahil sa masamang nakikita nila sa simbahan at sa mga tao sa loob nito.
Or dahil sa sinasabi ng babae na wala daw siyang naramdman or whatsoever. Napakababaw lang.
@@janpepbenosa8810 Well that's how faith works. If you don't believe anymore, what's the point then?
I love this type of conversation being open minded
to the atheist: is there an objective moral standard? to the agnostic: are all beliefs equal in value? is coherence important or not? to the catholic: is there a reasonable (logical) foundation as to why you believe what you bellieve, what is it?
1. Is there an objective moral standards? Yes & No, preservation of life is an innate moral standards of all living organism however it differs depending on your culture, government & belief
2. Are all beliefs equal in value & whether coherence is important? Value is very subjective, just because you value something doesn’t mean I value it too & belief is incoherent in nature, to trust on someone or something despite the lack of evidence is lunacy, therefore I’m incapable of quantifying ones beliefs let alone all
3. I’m agnostic
1. then how do you account for predation? disinfection? self-defense?
I have seen my soul separate from my body. I am not lying as I fear God and would not attempt to lie about my personal experience in the spirit realm. I am not the only one..even former intellectual atheists and medical doctors have had the same experience. You are eternal my friend, whether you believe it or not..that will be your reality when you die..it is up to you to decide where to spend your eternal life...in hell or in heaven? with the enemy who is hell-bent to destroy and torture your soul or with God who laid down His life for you so that you may have eternal life in heaven? Choose Jesus, and accept Him as your Messiah..do it for your soul's sake while there is time. Death can come knocking at your door anytime, no matter how healthy you are.
@@angmulingpagbabalik are you willing to make a live demonstration?
@@neiltristanyabut Going out of the body should not be done voluntarily. It is a mortal sin to do so. I am one of those people who can do so without even trying. The fact I resist since I was young. It just happens.. Some pay money to master it but it can lead you to places you would not want to be in. Once you are out, you will see entities you would not want to meet.. God is real..the afterlife is real..whether you believe it or not.. Many intellectual atheists saw and felt the spirit realm themselves which made them change their perception on God and the after life.
nabitin ako MORE of this topic please!!!
now i can actually say that i am an AGNOSTIC. Athiesm is an evidence based belief, but i believe that there are classified infos that are not meant for the masses in this period of time.
sobrang ganda ng episode nito next naman muslim and catholic
0:53 "I believe there's a higher power however I do not worship that higher power." That makes him a Deist not an Agnostic.
Maganda magkaroon din ng usapan about kung ano klase kang empleyado ka sa work mo.kung ikaw ba ay hard worker o ikaw ba yung klase na chill lang.ganun.
As a HR, gusto kooo tooo
I hope next time kumuha sila ng Catholic that has a broad knowledge on his FAITH and CHURCH. Tulad ng mga pari or Catholic defender. Not to judge this page but I just want to be more emphasized the doctrines and faith of Catholic Church.
Ang lahat ng tao sa mundo ay pinakikilos ng kanyang paniniwala. We do what we believe. Ngunit ano ba ang resulta nito sa 'yo? Kasiyahan o kalumbayan? Kapayapaan o kabalisaan? Suriin nyo ang inyong sarili. Ang lahat sa inyo ay walang katahimikan.
An ATHEIST here. I'm freeier than I was in church. YOu don't need to be threatened with hell or a promise of heaven to be a good and a better person.
Good decision brother .finally u r free 💪💪💪
I believe in God, rather than not to believe.
Why because after all I've been through, I can say that I know Jesus. The real Him and not the teachings about Him. Not how people describe Him. Not how he's portrayed in pop culture. And the Bible? Some believe it's literally true. Catholics believe it's not but rather symbolically true.
I believe the Bible is not God but a witness to Him. Therefore the Bible cannot own God. God cannot only be understood through the Bible. I believe no religion owns God.
This is what Jesus said.
"If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Now since I know Jesus I obey His command. And His command is as easy as this.
"Love God above all(moral commands), Love yourself. And Love others as yourself."
That's it!
Whenever I do "bad" things. Spoke ill to others, I feel empty, and they might feel empty as well. Whenever I succumb to greediness, I feel it seep life through me. It prevents me to enjoy life as it is. Worst it pushes people I love away from me. Lust and porn addiction is only good at the beginning but it's harmful for me in the long run. I feel it's not lust and not even sex I need but love and affection.
However when I encourage others, I feel good as well.
When I share with others genuinely, I feel an unexplainable sense of fulfillment in me. Porn addiction seeps the life out of me. I feel bad for the actors as well now I know they might be depressed. Sex with anyone can be beguiling at the start but sex with someone you love is the best. And I believe that I don't have sex to get wasted, I have sex to enjoy it and to help my partner enjoy it as well.
Many near death experiences see a being of love. People from different parts of the world. Japanese people claim seeing a being full of love. Indians see their god of death. Christian see Jesus.
As written in 1 John 4:16
"God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him."
I wish the best for everyone , but I believe that reasons are enough for me to believe in God, rather than not to.
I have a question po. What is your concept of death like where will you go after you die.
@Arzen You'll go to hell not because you didn't believe and love Christ, but because you are a sinner. Everyone is deserving of hell. That's why we need a saviour, we need Christ as a substitute for our sins.
As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”
Romans 3:10-12 NIV
Read the bible for yourself, cut the ignorance. Kahit book of John muna, so that you may have eternal life. None of our good works will save us from the wrath of God. Salvation is a free gift from God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV
Magrepent ka na habang may oras pa, humingi ng tawad sa Diyos ng may humble and contrite heart. Trust in Jesus alone, who is the way, the truth and the life. He is the only way to the Father. Di ka makakapasok sa kingdom ni Lord unless you're born again.
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
John 3:5-6 NIV
“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
John 14:15-17 NIV
Be a true Christian and get saved or Eternal damnation in hell?? Yun lang naman ang choice natin.
You don't believe God exist??
Common sense lang.
Bahay = builder
Kotse = car manufacturer
Painting = painter
Alam mo sa sarili mo na may Diyos kasi ang lahat ng nakikita mo can't create themselves. So common sense na:
Creation = Creator
Nothing cannot create something. It's scientifically impossible. Common sense lang na may Diyos na lumikha sa lahat.
@@JLC698 Bilang agnostic hindi ko alam pupuntahan ko pag namatay ako. Kasi hindi naman ako sure kung may hell or heaven ba.
I'm a Catholic and been a lector/commentator for 10 years, but I am open to all the possibilities. Arguing about the "true" religion or if there is or there's no God is a waste of time, when you can just a be a good person regardless of the possibilities.
Im atheist and im proud of that
I love this video. I love the people from the comment section. I love the discussion. Now I am enlightened. 💕
I think the agnostic guy is more of a deist rather than "skeptical" agnostic. Sabi nya naniniwala siya na may higher power, it's just that hindi niya sinasamba. Hence, deism.
iba din ang deism kung yan lang ang info na binigay mo
@@velikovkaayatan9258 may point na ang sinabi ni mark pero ang pinaka main point about deism is yung diyos na yun walang pake alam sa mundo sa lahat ng kinikilos mo o kung ano man ang mangyayari sayo wala siyang pake walang divine intervention kung baga
As an Agnostic who once believed in him, I like that religion can make people feel hope and stuff but the idea of believing in something that is we haven't seen at all is just weird, but i don't understand why some people believes in him so much that they rely on him. This "God" is something that can help our mental states and I acknowledge religion for that. I don't hate them, i like that religion can be great for other people, but if i think if a agnostic like me will see him in my own eyes or proven scientifically i would definitely believe his real indeed but still not convert to that religion fully
A wise man said
Respect the Gods, without relying on their help
-Miyamoto Masashi
if you believe in any religion or an atheist keep this in mind, Its very important that you're own life's journey and power resides within yourself not just in Gods. God only helps those who help themselves and only those who are willing to take that step forward on their journey that are rewarded. But you need to understand that the only way to truly bring change about in your life is to actively take positive action towards what you want.
Religion can be great but relying too much on God don't change your life actions. God built you this way to have freedom per se. Im not trying offending anyone but please do keep this in mind. I understand both sides of atheist and theist people. I hope you are able to understand me.
As an Atheist, the bible for me was like a fairytale or a fiction book. If there is higher being why can't he just write the story in the bible on his own to be literally accurate. I believe that writers/authors of the bible were mere humans born on that era and have no knowledge of the future. They thought slavery was good but today we thought slavery was bad. Our conscience was our moral compass evolving throughout the years, the bible was just an old legend with no evidence of higher being until now.
He did write the Moral law on the clay tablet Himself and gave it to Moses. It was then written in papers by men along with Israel's History. In other words, when it comes to History, it has to be men that should write and not God.
Also Slavery was never Proposed by God. It was the People of Israel who asked God to have slaves, so God permitted them but they should follow the rules which few of them are;
1. Love the slaves as urself
2. Treat them as native born
3. Don't treat them as slaves but as hired workers
In short, slaves in the Bible were voluntary labor either to pay debt, to acquire land or because of poverty not forced and kidnapped as how people with less knowledge tends to demonize the Bible.
@@jonsart5643 You're right according to your bible, but based on my logical thinking, Moses could be the one who wrote those laws on the clay tablet, cause you won't dare to destroy the writings made by the fingers of your god (exodus 32:19).
Slavery was never proposed by your god but also never prohibited by him. Also there are countries with different religions/beliefs but have the same moral compass.
@@EerieTalesUnleashed
U can't say that because according to the Bible, the people themselves heard the voice of God at the top of the Mountain which made them very terrified. And in addition, after Moses broke the tablet out of anger, God gave Him another one in the later chapters.
@@EerieTalesUnleashed
It was never prohibited because that was another way of earning money. People sell themselves for labor voluntarily in exchange for something and I don't see anything wrong with that. It still happens to this day.
@@jonsart5643 That's true according to your bible. But for me it's logically incorrect.
Waiting for this. Saw this before and I want when it comes to Filipino outlook.
Dapat ang mga Filipino ay maging Atheist na lang, kasi puro mga ipokrito naman. Kunwari simba simba, nove-novena, para-parada pero puro kasamaan pa din ang kultura. Highly accepted ang premarital sex, drinking, gambling, revelling, bullying and other despicable acts. Nagsisimba kapag linggo pero iba ang buhay mula Lunes hanggang Sabado. Puro pakunwari, kunwari banal banalan pero ang puso puro kasamaan naman. What I admire about atheists is that they are authentic. What you see is what you get. Walang mga pakunwari o pagpapanggap.
Finally, I found a smart guy, I agree with you, I have my own reason why I don't believe on God of the Bible anymore cuz of contradictions, Bible even promotes genocide and slavery which is nuts.
Yan din yung pananaw ko pero Agnostic ako, obvious na accepted ang premarital sex at pag lilive-in, how ironic diba??
would love to see a future video with Filipino muslims and their take for further discussion! :)
To all believers watching:
1. please never ever end your friendships or any kind of fruitful relationship with us agnostics and Atheist because of our beliefs.... We are still people that respect you as who you are, whatever god you may believe in..
2. Please stop to persecute us in socials and real life.. We are just people like you..
I never forget what happened to Atheist Joy Philippines of why he suddenly stopped his YT channel.. It is because of death threats to him and his family by Theist.... As I knew of this.. I am much more aware of hiding and living amongst the hidden wolves...
Honestly, I can respect an atheist ideology and agnosticism. However, I can't deny na matakot or will feel negativity towards the person. Like I believe kasi, a faith is a very foundation of someone's moral values. So if you don't believe in God, there's a possibility you will not fear to harm someone kasi nga no God will persecute you whatever things you do. Diba nga po, the concept of KARMA was originate from Buddhism which is a form of Faith and an organized religion. Opinion ko lang po. Tho I never met someone na Atheist or Agnostic yet. Perhaps if ever makakilala ako, maybe magbago ang perception ko about them. 🙂 I'm open din naman to have a conversation.
@@the_f.24 We have history of religious group persecuting other groups that don't align with their belief. Religion itself doesn't deter someone to commit acts of violence.
Next EPISODE can you try a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, ATHEIST, and AGNOSTIC meet and talk ...... because I think Catholics are also some what on Agnostic sides.....
Read your Bible if you really wanna know and obey the TRUTH.
He’s agnostic daw pero he believe in a higher power.
The atheist representative is an agnostic actually.
Mabuhay Atheist Philippines! hardcore here
Cheers to your religion! 🍸
Answers are always found in the end.
For the Catholics just do good
For the Agnostic just do good
For the Atheist Just do good
i relate to the agnostic person. i was raised catholic but sadly i find catholics as hypocrites and superficial. they make it seem like going to church makes u a good person, yet they do a lot of questionable things. i think theres an entity out there with a higher power, something/someone bigger than tangible things, even bigger than science (maybe theyre multidimensional beings, maybe its god, maybe both haha) but we do not have the comprehension to define it fully. i also agree with the atheist when she said that people can be complex. i think it's really important we do not cling to labels so much, because i feel like u arent 100% this and that, our minds are capable of pondering upon stuff like religion andscience and all that shit. we need to be more tolerant and less judgmental so that we may understand each other rather than just jump to a conclusion and reduce a person to a stereotype jut because they have different opinions and perspectives from yours.
*nods*
Yeah higher and greater than science which is our creator God. God is greater than science, because he literally created the universe. Religion is not just a set of rules, God was the one who created those rules. Not forcing you just informing you about our faitj
ang tapang ng content! kudos
The agnostic sounds more like a deist than an agnostic
Her saying that catholics only believe because we felt something thats why we believe, spits on the face of all the martyrs throughout the 2000 years of church history. Especially those who faced the most horrible of deaths in the 1st century. They attest with their lives the life, resurrection amd divinity of Christ.
If she wants proofs, i recommend studying church history and philosophy, both studies that use reasoning and logic akin to the scientific approach.
Some may ask that, why not do an indepth study of every religion? Why study the christian faith, especially catholic faith? An answer here would not suffice, nor should it. A brief introduction into first century christian life should be a great place to get an understanding why this religion and not others, and in the end, only the holy spirit can convict you. Great figures of the first century to look at would be Saints Paul and Peter. These men were extraordinary leaders of the Church and their testimony would shake you to your core.
Honestly, I think religion shouldn’t really matter that much. As long as you have a basic concept of right from wrong and whether or not you are hurting someone, you can live a very prosperous life. Religious people tend to be the most horrible people anyway. Just do what makes you happy but doesn’t result in you stepping on other people and enjoy life. Do not worry too much about what will happen after you die.
But they believe something because they believe that life has a purpose
Yeah... I agree, religious people are the most horrible people, for they hide their inner demons by claiming to be faithful
@Anonymous Dummy I’m sorry but, am I missing something here? Do you really need a book to tell you that taking something that isn’t yours is wrong? Or that having sex with someone when you’re in a relationship is considered a bad thing? Do you really need someone like God to tell you that taking someone’s life can land you in jail? The concept is very easy to understand. Live your life without hurting others. There are so many people out there who is living a good life without worrying about God or the Bible and what it says. It’s really up to you whether or not you think your purpose is to follow the so called words of God or just live. I’m just saying that religion can be irrelevant to someone and they don’t feel like something is missing from their life.
@@zambee1219 @Arzen You'll go to hell not because you didn't believe and love Christ, but because you are a sinner. Everyone is deserving of hell. That's why we need a saviour, we need Christ as a substitute for our sins.
As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”
Romans 3:10-12 NIV
Read the bible for yourself, cut the ignorance. Kahit book of John muna, so that you may have eternal life. None of our good works will save us from the wrath of God. Salvation is a free gift from God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV
Magrepent ka na habang may oras pa, humingi ng tawad sa Diyos ng may humble and contrite heart. Trust in Jesus alone, who is the way, the truth and the life. He is the only way to the Father. Di ka makakapasok sa kingdom ni Lord unless you're born again.
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
John 3:5-6 NIV
“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
John 14:15-17 NIV
Be a true Christian and get saved or Eternal damnation in hell?? Yun lang naman ang choice natin.
@@zambee1219 Common sense lang na may Diyos. Pag nakita mo ang kotse, common sense na may gumawa nyan, pag may nakita kang bahay, common sense na may gumawa. Kasi alam mong they cannot create themselves. Kapag nakita mo ang creation?? Ang kalikasan, ibon, halaman, sky, etc. so common sense na may creator.
Nothing cannot create something.
Common sense lang po.
Creation = Creator
Medyo similar tong ganitong segment sa Jubilee hehe
Atheists are the best.
After watching this Im doubting myself whether Im really an athiest or Agnostic or maybe both? But being 50/50 is impossible mahirap mamangka sa dalawang ilog. I don't believe in god but I also think na merong higher being that guide us to become what we are now, kase even an animal cub can't live alone and grow up without its parents or guardian. At isapa kung iisipin mashado tayung naging matalino without a guardian? I do believe in evolution but the knowledge that we possessed is beyond comprehention.
John 1:14 The Word became a human and lived among us. We saw his glory-the glory that belongs to the only Son of the Father-and he was full of grace and truth.
I've been a Theist, and Atheist but I ended up being an Agnostic tho I have different views compared to the agnostic guy from what he said , I think he is a Deist or Agnostic Theist, on the other hand I consider myself as an Agnostic Atheist.
As an agnostic, I also believe in higher power but we never really know if its “god” or “allah” or “buddha”
Allah means God. When you say you believe in God, youre basically saying you believe in Allah. Muslims don't worship OUR god. We worship GOD. Muslims don't just believe in another "g"od among the millions that men have created, we believe in God Himself. It's that simple. And we do not have a monopoly on Him, He has the monopoly on humanity. If you know what I mean. He owns us.
@Yonix Rubio buddha isn't a prophet lol, a prophet is someone who delivers a message from a divine
@@ali40589 Agree, Buddha was a teacher.
That's my girl, Ang galing mo baby, and ofcourse beautiful pa... Viva Atheist !!!