I had a similar experience with a siezed shaft and pulley. Used an air impact hammer - less mushrooming of shaft and more localized impact. Just an FYI.
Bless you for repairing this old crap. I hate to give up on a repair. Thanks for the videos that help the rest of us to keep these old machines working.
50 years ago I bought an acetylene torch outfit from a guy who needed money. This outfit had numerous tips and rose buds it was made by Victor, plus the gauges. Like a dumbing i sold it to buy something else. Wish I had it now
Sometimes drilling a hole into/through the shaft then heating it and letting it cool will allow the shaft to shrink enough to come out too. Kind of like welding on an internal bearing race to shrink it. Love the tenacity you showed in getting that shaft out. Cheers from NB Hey, was that a Uniweld torch?
Once heated if you use candle was a touch it to the shaft the wax cools and lubricates the shaft. I used this all the time good for pipe pugs even bolt threads
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I deal with this kind of shit all the time on heavy equipment. Either heat it red hot and shock it with water, or run a weld bead down one side of the shaft housing, which expands just the metal on one side and breaks the rust bond. Only works if the shaft/pin is in thinner material, exactly like that situation. Also, you should get yourself an air hammer. Lots of smaller impacts does a better job knocking siezed pins loose than a couple big hits with a sledge. Take a drill bit and make a divot in the middle of the shaft to keep the air hammer bit from walking too much.
I gave up with mine. Plan was to remove impeller and hammer it straight and put back together. Mission failed but blower works anyway. Perhaps when replacing bearing next time I try harder.
I use my oxygen and settling torches, and I have a press you can buy one of them at Harbor freight really cheap and it will save you a lot of work. Great video.👍
...mmm perhaps drill it out by using smaller to larger sized bits until you are close to the size of the shaft - then hit it with the torch to heat it up then pound it out
Great Video - You almost need a hydraulic press for that level of stubbornness. Great Video. I wish you and your family a safe and joyful Holiday Season!
@@Look_What_You_Did As you have already shown on another video - snowblower wheel rims can seize onto drive shafts - after that video I have made pulling the wheel off and applying grease a yearly maintence ritual.
Great job Don, I also heat up with a torch and then spray lightly with water, the steam loosens corrosion inside shaft and hardens the shaft so it win't mushroom out while pounding as heating anneals shaft, thx for posting and keep up the great videos.
Nice job. A lot of the time I find quenching with water helpful, and sometimes a bunch of rapid small blows from an air hammer is more effective than big hits with a big hammer.
I would have left the bearing end of the shaft intact @1:22 because you could have used it to cool the shaft with wet rags or spray as you heated up the impeller.
Hi, you may have drilled the center of the shaft and then cool it down with water. The dilation difference between the shaft and the impeller would have been increased.
Been there and done that also Dony actually built up at least an inch on the forearm the first year. Now at EP we use the Induction Innovations Venom Mini Ductor heat gun with proper coil assembly to heat the outer metal. There are times when we water quench the heated metal to shock the rust loose. Jake and i both think the Induction Heat Guns are not only the safest and most effective tool to use for this work but also consider it the number one tool in our shop which eliminates issues with seized nuts and bolts.
Can’t let the shaft inside get red hot because it also expands with the housing, heat until the outer housing is red only and it “should😅” be easier to free. In theory the outer housing expands away from the shaft.
Plenty of armchair advice in the comments. He used his method, stelling it up as he met resistance untill the job was done & success rained down. Done still had a few more tricks up his sleeve but saved them for a future video. A win is a win
Taryls heat & quench trick may have done wonders with removing that shaft,I only wished I had an oxy acetylene torch when I rebuilt my dads Honda lawnmower engine because its flange was rusted on & it was a pain to remove like that !
Dony's been suggesting this for years before Taryl, same goes for the it's a lawn mower, not the shuttle. He, like other Canadians tend to get upstaged by Americans, for example, the incandescent light bulb was invented by two Canadians but they sold the patent to Edison, who himself has Canadian roots.
Wow Don, you finally got it off. In 4 years of watching and benefiting from your videos I've never seen you have this much trouble getting something unseized. Makes you wonder why a billion dollar company cant afford two swaps of antiseize on those shafts. Geez nice job.
There is always one machine that will get ya. That's the way it goes, Thanks for your video's bud. Wishing you, your family and viewers a Merry Christmas. Looking forward to the new year for more video's .
If the shaft is soft enough to drill into, drill it well below the surface. When you go to knock it out the shaft has less thermal mass, the punch cant slip and youre almost pulling it out instead of applying all your force to the end. Good job! That was a difficult one.
4:00 Is that peanut butter on the ole workbench?🤔 Let us in on the peanut butter shop hack secret... Another great video Donyboy. The owner of that machine probably worked on that thing for days.👍🏻👍🏻
Let me give you a little tip. Heat both red hot which you almost had them anyway. Take a water hose right away and cool to the touch as quickly as possible. You will be shocked 😳 at how easy the piece of shaft comes out. Give it shot of penetrating spray first. If you’re stuck item will fit in a pail of cold water just drop it in. I’m 73 and an old welding shop taught me this trick when I was in my teens. I also have a 55 ton press 😂. Love your videos. Don’t be afraid to try the cold water trick! Paul V.
Hey Don. I had the same problem and I did the same thing with a little difference. Once red hot I put cold water on it and then used an impact hammer on it. Came apart on my second try. If people would give their tools and equipment a little care, it would never have happened. Great video.
@donyboy73 it works, as others have said, quenching after eed hot changes the size rapidly and breaks down the rust, turns it to powder. Also, instead of a hammer, use an air hammer, modify a bit to have a point so it won't drift.
Many ways of doing things. Air chisel with appropriate punch, heat first, or heat. Then use shop press, 20 ton. Heat and cool.... nice to have many arrows in the quiver. When one doesn't work, try another. Thats how tips and tricks are, one more thing in your arsenal. No need for defensiveness, a wise man acknowledges wisdom and isnt threatened by it...
This is the tormenting part about working on snow throwers. Persons not doing the actual work have no idea of just how difficult such removals are to perform. I have a small hydraulic press that is also helpful in some situations like this provided I can fit the piece in such a way that I can apply pressure.
Nice job Don as always. I was thinking if it wasn't going to come out. Possibility chucking it up in the lathe or milling it out? But then again, the shaft is most likely hardened steel.
I was surprised you didn't just grind/bevel the end of the mushroomed shaft. Is that shaft hardened? If not, drilling a hole in the middle will reduce tightness as well. Not easy, long hole to drill, but could be done from both ends, doesn't have to be perfectly centered and probably wouldn't have to go all the way through. Well done!
Not gonna say he did anything wrong because he didn’t. However, in an alternate approach I learned working on heavy equipment from my boss, on semi trailers, is in this scenario, make a narrow strip on the outside pipe lengthwise with the shaft hot versus heating the entire area. Try to avoid heating the shaft. In this manner you can expand the outside pipe sometimes while leaving the inner shaft the same size. Then of course there is the old put it in ice after you’re done heating it shock emergency contraction trick! The bad thing about snowblowers is those shafts every damn one of them in the machine is the softest steel I’ve ever seen. One hammer blow without a brass drift and it’s completely mushroomed and you have an emergency problem. I have never owned a decent hydraulic press but man oh man I wish I did.
sounds like one very stubborn shaft to remove from my view and yep Donny mate i know the good old oxyacetylene torch sure as anything saved your life for sure in that day and yep penetration oil sure does help including the old oil can from what i know too and a good outcome i reckon and a good tip for sure letting it cool down afterwards as that will be quite hot to handle and no kidding and i,d simple leave that impeller to cool itself for sure and cheers from Australia 🐨🐑🦘🌴🇦🇺 to your area in Canada 🇨🇦 🍁🍂 and have a Merry Christmas🎅 too.🧝🧝♂🧝♀🎄
Great video. I was almost leaning towards the fact that the shaft was never coming out. You proved me wrong. As an aside, how would you prevent that from happening in the future? Would you use anti-seize lube on the new shaft?
Great job Dony! A real tough one! What are your thoughts on a “Induction Innovations - Mini-Ductor Venom HP “ being capable of doing the job instead of an oxy acetylene torch? Just wondering. Thanks for all you’ve shared with everyone!
Hey Donyboy...you don't have a hydraulic press..best tool i ever bought ..may not use it everyday but when i need it there it is...now there's you're Dinner..lol...merry Christmas 🤪🤪🤪
Keep in mind you can use too much heat expanding both the shaft and the housing. You want to concentrate the majority of the heat to the housing and not the shaft. maintaing a different expansion rate between the shaft and theurrounding metal. If you over heat it causes seizure.
@@Spiritof_76 You don't heat the whole outside of the collar. The whole idea is to expand the collar just enough so it grows in diameter enough to release from the shaft. If you heat both to the same temperature they will expand at the same rate.
@@certified68crazy3 Okay, wise one. How are you going to heat the collar with a torch and not heat the shaft inside it? It has to be glowing red hot. I've done this kind of work and am not describing a hypothetical.
@@Spiritof_76 I am a retireed engineer and I have done this work for almost 40 plus years. I am not here to argue with any one all I am saying is heat the the out side and be QUICK before the heat transfers to the shaft and increases its expansion. Yes if you OVER heat it to the point that its all red hot you will not do anything but seize the shaft.
@@certified68crazy3 You couldn't have done a better job with the tools he had available. The shaft was already seized. I would have tried an air hammer. What kind of engineer, a train engineer?
Mery Christmas to all, this happens due to lak of maintenance, use never niese, and it is not the spaceshuttle, if the mdtai break, the snowblower dont falll from outer space, stil on mppther earth
As of my posting, 96 views and ONLY 35 thumbs up??? Come on folks, doesn't cost anything to hit that thumb, I don't even have a Snow machine but I'll help him out
Once red hot, quench it with ice water. Works every time . The heat expanded the metal, and then the cold shrinks it, breaking the bond of the rust
But it might change the metal as if you were forging it, changing its properties, I think, or wouldn't it? Which may be irrelevant or may not.
Looks like you to remember Taryls videos :)
Correct easiest way done on my bikes and sleds
@@fadetounforgivenIt won't change the metal at all. It is completely harmless to the metal.
Itll harden the metal if its red hot like in the vid@@patrickpoulard24
I agree with the last post that is how you free something stuck
I had a similar experience with a siezed shaft and pulley. Used an air impact hammer - less mushrooming of shaft and more localized impact. Just an FYI.
Bless you for repairing this old crap. I hate to give up on a repair. Thanks for the videos that help the rest of us to keep these old machines working.
Dam right never give up on the old engines built well last 100 years
50 years ago I bought an acetylene torch outfit from a guy who needed money. This outfit had numerous tips and rose buds it was made by Victor, plus the gauges. Like a dumbing i sold it to buy something else. Wish I had it now
Sometimes drilling a hole into/through the shaft then heating it and letting it cool will allow the shaft to shrink enough to come out too. Kind of like welding on an internal bearing race to shrink it.
Love the tenacity you showed in getting that shaft out.
Cheers from NB
Hey, was that a Uniweld torch?
If it's not a rush job, or too severe, I like to soak seized parts in diesel. But this is your way of life and have many repairs to do, time is money.
Love the old turkey pan. Very seasonal!
Once heated if you use candle was a touch it to the shaft the wax cools and lubricates the shaft. I used this all the time good for pipe pugs even bolt threads
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From Argentina, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have learned a lot from your videos and I will continue to truly learn. Thank you very much.
Try using a candle touch it on the shaft when it's hot and it sucks in. I do it for break lines and it works great
When it’s cherry red, try quenching it with cold water. It has worked for me in the past. Wort a try
Wishing you a Healthy and Happy Christmas Don.
Beating on a shaft to hard just swells it tighter . Press if you have one . Or lots of heat . Sometimes both .
Kindest regards to you and your family this Christmas. Sunshine Coast,BC 🇨🇦🇨🇦
After I cut the shaft flush with the impeller, I drill a dimple in each end and use an air hammer with a 3/8" tip instead of manual linear impacts.
I'll try that!
Excellent sir…. I use map torch and melt a candle into the bolt … Has always worked so far.
Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année. Santé, santé et santé. Joyeuses Fêtes à vous et votre épouse.🎉🎉🎉
I deal with this kind of shit all the time on heavy equipment. Either heat it red hot and shock it with water, or run a weld bead down one side of the shaft housing, which expands just the metal on one side and breaks the rust bond. Only works if the shaft/pin is in thinner material, exactly like that situation.
Also, you should get yourself an air hammer. Lots of smaller impacts does a better job knocking siezed pins loose than a couple big hits with a sledge. Take a drill bit and make a divot in the middle of the shaft to keep the air hammer bit from walking too much.
I gave up with mine. Plan was to remove impeller and hammer it straight and put back together. Mission failed but blower works anyway. Perhaps when replacing bearing next time I try harder.
Great job Donnie you did it all right good mechanic is in your head😊
Heat and quench and a ton of patience
I use my oxygen and settling torches, and I have a press you can buy one of them at Harbor freight really cheap and it will save you a lot of work. Great video.👍
'Settling' HAHAHA
Good job Don, Thanks. Merry Christmas.
Lots of heat and careful drifting. A few heat/cool cycles between hammer and drift work, always worked for me in my shop.
Tough one. Persistence paid off.
...mmm perhaps drill it out by using smaller to larger sized bits until you are close to the size of the shaft - then hit it with the torch to heat it up then pound it out
I don't have tha gas setup just Mapp Bernzomatic but I'd try with PB blaster and just like you did it. Probably take alot longer if it worked
Great Video - You almost need a hydraulic press for that level of stubbornness. Great Video. I wish you and your family a safe and joyful Holiday Season!
@@Look_What_You_Did As you have already shown on another video - snowblower wheel rims can seize onto drive shafts - after that video I have made pulling the wheel off and applying grease a yearly maintence ritual.
Great job Don, I also heat up with a torch and then spray lightly with water, the steam loosens corrosion inside shaft and hardens the shaft so it win't mushroom out while pounding as heating anneals shaft, thx for posting and keep up the great videos.
I always had great successes, with quenching red hot metal with water, or penetrating oil.
Joyeux Noël Dony & famille.
I like to heat and rapid cool them a few times. Then soak with penetrating oil and then I put it in my 20 ton press and I’ve had good luck doing that.
Nice job. A lot of the time I find quenching with water helpful, and sometimes a bunch of rapid small blows from an air hammer is more effective than big hits with a big hammer.
Well done Dony. Do you ever use the cold quench process after heating.
Hydraulic press?
I would have left the bearing end of the shaft intact @1:22 because you could have used it to cool the shaft with wet rags or spray as you heated up the impeller.
Hi, you may have drilled the center of the shaft and then cool it down with water. The dilation difference between the shaft and the impeller would have been increased.
I'll try that!
I use a press, seams to work well.
Been there and done that also Dony actually built up at least an inch on the forearm the first year. Now at EP we use the Induction Innovations Venom Mini Ductor heat gun with proper coil assembly to heat the outer metal. There are times when we water quench the heated metal to shock the rust loose. Jake and i both think the Induction Heat Guns are not only the safest and most effective tool to use for this work but also consider it the number one tool in our shop which eliminates issues with seized nuts and bolts.
Can’t let the shaft inside get red hot because it also expands with the housing, heat until the outer housing is red only and it “should😅” be easier to free. In theory the outer housing expands away from the shaft.
Plenty of armchair advice in the comments. He used his method, stelling it up as he met resistance untill the job was done & success rained down. Done still had a few more tricks up his sleeve but saved them for a future video. A win is a win
Taryls heat & quench trick may have done wonders with removing that shaft,I only wished I had an oxy acetylene torch when I rebuilt my dads Honda lawnmower engine because its flange was rusted on & it was a pain to remove like that !
Dony's been suggesting this for years before Taryl, same goes for the it's a lawn mower, not the shuttle. He, like other Canadians tend to get upstaged by Americans, for example, the incandescent light bulb was invented by two Canadians but they sold the patent to Edison, who himself has Canadian roots.
Wow Don, you finally got it off. In 4 years of watching and benefiting from your videos I've never seen you have this much trouble getting something unseized. Makes you wonder why a billion dollar company cant afford two swaps of antiseize on those shafts. Geez nice job.
There is always one machine that will get ya. That's the way it goes, Thanks for your video's bud. Wishing you, your family and viewers a Merry Christmas. Looking forward to the new year for more video's .
Good video. Merry Christmas and a Happy Healthy New Year. Good Luck, Rick
If the shaft is soft enough to drill into, drill it well below the surface.
When you go to knock it out the shaft has less thermal mass, the punch cant slip and youre almost pulling it out instead of applying all your force to the end.
Good job! That was a difficult one.
Great perseverance on that one.
Needless to say though, you got the shaft.👍👍
4:00 Is that peanut butter on the ole workbench?🤔 Let us in on the peanut butter shop hack secret...
Another great video Donyboy. The owner of that machine probably worked on that thing for days.👍🏻👍🏻
Let me give you a little tip. Heat both red hot which you almost had them anyway. Take a water hose right away and cool to the touch as quickly as possible. You will be shocked 😳 at how easy the piece of shaft comes out. Give it shot of penetrating spray first.
If you’re stuck item will fit in a pail of cold water just drop it in. I’m 73 and an old welding shop taught me this trick when I was in my teens.
I also have a 55 ton press 😂.
Love your videos.
Don’t be afraid to try the cold water trick!
Paul V.
Great video! WOW! on the shaft not wanting to come out.
Hey Don. I had the same problem and I did the same thing with a little difference. Once red hot I put cold water on it and then used an impact hammer on it. Came apart on my second try. If people would give their tools and equipment a little care, it would never have happened. Great video.
Yes, I would have tried Taryl's Heat and Quench method at least twice!
I'll try it next time!
@donyboy73 it works, as others have said, quenching after eed hot changes the size rapidly and breaks down the rust, turns it to powder.
Also, instead of a hammer, use an air hammer, modify a bit to have a point so it won't drift.
nice job Donnie, i would have trued an air hammer instead of a punch.
Thanks Dony
Wow ! Good job Dony !
Merry Christmas to you and the family
I would drill both ends of the shaft. Tap one side and put a puller on the bolt.😂😂😂. Mushroom rivets are counter productive❤
Good job buddy it definitely was stuck in where for sure take care Merry Christmas
Good job brother 👍Happy Holidays to you and your family
I hope you have a merry Christmas 🎄 & a happy new year 🎆 Don😀😀
That was tight!
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Heat it beat it, heat it beat it and so on, my record is 6x to get it to come out, same process as those seized on wheels….
Wow! Amazing!
Congratulations in winning the Battle. Great job, Don. I wonder if you'll repaint it, too, for looks if not to help prevent rust.
Ever consider putting it in a shop press??? 10 ton or larger ???
Great info as always. Have a great Christmas
Happy holidays Don!
Good job.
Good job thanks!😊
Many ways of doing things. Air chisel with appropriate punch, heat first, or heat. Then use shop press, 20 ton. Heat and cool.... nice to have many arrows in the quiver. When one doesn't work, try another. Thats how tips and tricks are, one more thing in your arsenal. No need for defensiveness, a wise man acknowledges wisdom and isnt threatened by it...
I definitely need a press!
That was a real nice job Donnie I was wondering how you were going to get that out
This is the tormenting part about working on snow throwers. Persons not doing the actual work have no idea of just how difficult such removals are to perform. I have a small hydraulic press that is also helpful in some situations like this provided I can fit the piece in such a way that I can apply pressure.
What a battle!!!
Hi D.B., are you going to replace the shaft? A follow up video would be cool. Will you grease it with nickel Teflon anti-seize?
Nice job Don as always. I was thinking if it wasn't going to come out. Possibility chucking it up in the lathe or milling it out? But then again, the shaft is most likely hardened steel.
I was surprised you didn't just grind/bevel the end of the mushroomed shaft. Is that shaft hardened? If not, drilling a hole in the middle will reduce tightness as well. Not easy, long hole to drill, but could be done from both ends, doesn't have to be perfectly centered and probably wouldn't have to go all the way through. Well done!
Hey Don, à chance 4 u that if it's too long, you have a full peanut butter's jar on your working bench !😂 Merry Christmas Donyboy !!!
yeah you should cool it off fast after heating it
Brutal!!! Good job!
I can see Aaron shop press in Dony's future.
Extracción dificultosa, pero con paciencia y el buen hacer salió el bulón 😅. Buen video como siempre.
Felices Fiestas Navideñas y prospero año 2024.
Gracias amigo!
Learn how to quench, it will save you a lot of time. I enjoy you videos, thanks for everything you do.
Not gonna say he did anything wrong because he didn’t. However, in an alternate approach I learned working on heavy equipment from my boss, on semi trailers, is in this scenario, make a narrow strip on the outside pipe lengthwise with the shaft hot versus heating the entire area. Try to avoid heating the shaft. In this manner you can expand the outside pipe sometimes while leaving the inner shaft the same size. Then of course there is the old put it in ice after you’re done heating it shock emergency contraction trick! The bad thing about snowblowers is those shafts every damn one of them in the machine is the softest steel I’ve ever seen. One hammer blow without a brass drift and it’s completely mushroomed and you have an emergency problem. I have never owned a decent hydraulic press but man oh man I wish I did.
I see someone else mentioned the quenching method... usually works ✊
You've used a lathe in the shop previously, using it with a drill bit might have been an effective method to remove the shaft?
sounds like one very stubborn shaft to remove from my view and yep Donny mate i know the good old oxyacetylene torch sure as anything saved your life for sure in that day and yep penetration oil sure does help including the old oil can from what i know too and a good outcome i reckon and a good tip for sure letting it cool down afterwards as that will be quite hot to handle and no kidding and i,d simple leave that impeller to cool itself for sure and cheers from Australia 🐨🐑🦘🌴🇦🇺 to your area in Canada 🇨🇦 🍁🍂 and have a Merry Christmas🎅 too.🧝🧝♂🧝♀🎄
Great video. I was almost leaning towards the fact that the shaft was never coming out. You proved me wrong. As an aside, how would you prevent that from happening in the future? Would you use anti-seize lube on the new shaft?
Great job Dony! A real tough one! What are your thoughts on a “Induction Innovations - Mini-Ductor Venom HP “ being capable of doing the job instead of an oxy acetylene torch? Just wondering. Thanks for all you’ve shared with everyone!
They do work good but very expensive!
What do you set the acetylene and Oxygen gauges at?
Nice job! I would have tried my 5X rivet gun with a small flush set. I would have also likely destroyed the impeller!
Hey Donyboy...you don't have a hydraulic press..best tool i ever bought ..may not use it everyday but when i need it there it is...now there's you're Dinner..lol...merry Christmas 🤪🤪🤪
Yes I need one!
Hope this wasn’t your Christmas turkey pan! Merry Christmas and Happy New Years
Keep in mind you can use too much heat expanding both the shaft and the housing. You want to concentrate the majority of the heat to the housing and not the shaft. maintaing a different expansion rate between the shaft and theurrounding metal. If you over heat it causes seizure.
How do you propose to do that with a shaft inside a collar?
@@Spiritof_76 You don't heat the whole outside of the collar. The whole idea is to expand the collar just enough so it grows in diameter enough to release from the shaft. If you heat both to the same temperature they will expand at the same rate.
@@certified68crazy3 Okay, wise one. How are you going to heat the collar with a torch and not heat the shaft inside it? It has to be glowing red hot. I've done this kind of work and am not describing a hypothetical.
@@Spiritof_76 I am a retireed engineer and I have done this work for almost 40 plus years. I am not here to argue with any one all I am saying is heat the the out side and be QUICK before the heat transfers to the shaft and increases its expansion. Yes if you OVER heat it to the point that its all red hot you will not do anything but seize the shaft.
@@certified68crazy3 You couldn't have done a better job with the tools he had available. The shaft was already seized. I would have tried an air hammer. What kind of engineer, a train engineer?
PB blaster
Great video
👍👍👍.Thanks
I could feel the frustration in your voice when the shaft wasn't budging. How long did it take you approximately?
That is one seized on shaft 😮
Mery Christmas to all, this happens due to lak of maintenance, use never niese, and it is not the spaceshuttle, if the mdtai break, the snowblower dont falll from outer space, stil on mppther earth
As of my posting, 96 views and ONLY 35 thumbs up??? Come on folks, doesn't cost anything to hit that thumb, I don't even have a Snow machine but I'll help him out