$25000???? A working truck shouldn’t be more than $30000 But NTSB and the big 2 1/2 love when new regulations so they can charge way more for for a vehicle
Jb, you have lost your mind... This is the first time I believe you are sleeping behind the wheel. It's the cost of these trucks manufacturers need to go back to 2018 prices. The average person can NO longer afford... The higher trim are customer orders... Ram, Chevy, and GMC can't give them away as well. The party is coming to an end... I'm surprised you can't see that..
Totally, also something l'm seeing is the price of super clean, not screwed with, 7.3 Power strokes increasing in price, and being snapped up within days of being listed. And I'm talking about 150,000 miles and less variants, going for 27,000 to 39,000. I recently quit bidding on a F-250, 4 door, 89,000 miles, 7.3 manual transmission. It ended going for $41,000 🤯
And ram and gmc and literally every toyota sold was at an average 10,000 ABOVE sticker.. can't price gouge if somebody is willing to overpay. And millions of Americans overpayed, you can thank the price decreases on those of us that didn't at that time
Think they mostly stop selling because Ford dealerships have been really price gouging and overcharging their customers. Finally people are getting tired of it.
I think that dealers have figured out that if you can afford a 80 thousand dollar truck, you can afford the 10 thousand dollars extra. The pandemic proved it
True. I wouldn’t buy the 80k truck if the 100k truck was what I wanted. To me it seems prices are generally inflating faster than most wages or retirement accounts. A lot of folks had the disposable income to absorb some of the reduced buying power/real wealth, but that margin might be exhausted for many, leading to reduced discretionary spending. Also it seems to me luxury diesel pickups are often bought by older people who are established financially and want a comfy rv puller, or by younger people who are foolish enough to take on crippling debt. For an old boomer the era when say 32k would get you a loaded diesel truck doesn’t seem that long ago, and they just aren’t willing to pay 3x that. For the younger people who can’t write the check, rising interest rates, plus the realization that the pickup payment is going to torpedo what kind of house they might qualify for…
@@JeffinTDAll very true, with the exceptions of ALOT of Gen Z's WELL into their 20s are STILL living with mommy & daddy and spending everything they make (with help from said parents) on 50, 60, 70 grand vehicles. It's amazing how quickly these HD trucks sell !
Bought my new F250 in 17. I thought $56,000 was absolute bull shyt! Now you can't buy jack for $56k. I'm now building a 97 F150 and next is a 97 F350. No more new trucks ever.
They stopped because of people like me who tried and tried to buy a 2022 and then a 2023 and got tired of 20k over MSRP. I was a loyal Ford guy. Now I have a 2023 GMC 3500 Denali Dually. Nice truck. Ford can keep their 20k over MSRP trucks. It was a feeding frenzy and Ford just turned the dealers loose and let them do whatever they felt like doing. Eventually it will come back to bite them in the butt! Maybe that time is now!!!
when I tried to buy a 2022 maverick the full msrp was paid when it came in dealer place a dealers add on of 20k took my money back and told him to stick it up his butt...bought a new Santa Cruz instead
A buddy of mine bought a brand new F-350. Within a week it just stopped running. They took it back due to lemon law. He got into another F-350 with a higher trim level. Within days we noticed a puddle of power steering fluid under the truck. One week. Two trucks. Ugh. He got the power steering leak fixed and it's been good, but wow.
I believe it has to do with common sense. Even if you have a bag, ain’t nobody wanna have a $1000, 1,200 truck payment. It’s ridiculous. The truck market has priced out its customers unfortunately.
$1,200 a month is okay the problem is its $1,200 a month or 72 or 84 months.... people used to finance cars and trucks for 3 years.. so you'd take it hard for 36 months and then have a fully paid off low milage truck that was still worth some decent money..
the dude with 9% over 84 months will pay more for his 50k truck than another on his 70k truck on a 3 year note...... heard of people paying 16% over 84 months on a 35-40k car that will cost more than a truck in the end people that have a bag don't care.....they pay cash for 100k trucks, or there money is earning more in the market than the interest their paying on the vehicle get a 100% write off on my truck for business, so payment doesn't matter......paying the least amount of overall interest matters more......lots of ways to skin a cat
1:38 100K at 7,8,9% interest means you’re well over $1,000 a month for a truck that won’t be worth 10 in ten years. It’s just a real good way to get super upside down in a vehicle. I’d love to get a newer truck over instead of patching my 02 4 runner before every winter but not at these insane interest rates over something I own outright and only drive basically December through April ( mustang for the rest of the year at 3% interest).
The higher trim level trucks do not come with the options like 2 years ago. A lot of people like myself just went with the lariat. There is nothing more than panels and names above that. 😊
@@patbullard9276 Same, but XL. The STX and Sport package was all that was really necessary (gotta have the giant console and at least sport cloth not vinyl). The only feature I wish I had was keyless entry/push button start, but that wasn't worth the, what, 8 grand in multiple trim levels? Plus the Lariats come with the console shifter which sucks, column shifter all the way. Katzkin leather is cheaper and higher quality than Lariat leather, the "lane assist" and adaptive cruise control "features" are annoying af to me and so on. Not only do they cost more, and are annoying, but then there's more shit to break and cost money later, too. It's pretty easy to modify MOST things so they are exactly how you want them, cheaper, better quality, and so on. Just pick the basics that you want like engine, tow package, cab config, console, 4x4, and you're set.
These prices are so crazy, I have to laugh. These trucks will sit on the lot until massive incentives are put in place or Ford sees reality on their sticker prices. How every CEO thought that the early pandemic markups would last forever is beyond me. Greed blinded them to reality. They will now pay the price as most people do not make the income to support these kind of truck prices.
The answer is quite simple as others have noted. All HD trucks cost too much for most people and interest rates are sky high. Unique to the West coast states, the high price of fuel also has people rethinking the purchase of these rigs.
in Canada the superduty have no Ford Credit so you get the banks 8.5-10% interest rates, couple that with the 10-20k markups and people will let them sit there
You can bet your bottom dollar that dually has a markup. I priced two trucks at Grapevine Texas Ford; 2023 Platinum Tremor, $15K markup; and, 2023 King Ranch, $10K markup.
Grapevine ford is the biggest POS dealer in the metroplex. Try 5 star in Lewisville. I ordered an f150 through them during the peak markup times and they didn’t charge a markup, even honored x plan pricing. Oh and didn’t require a deposit for the order. I’d go back to them in a heartbeat.
In May 2021 I ordered a 2022 F-350 XLT Regular Cab SRW 2 wheel drive, 7.3L Godzilla, Rapid Red that I later added white vinyl for the retro look. Got it 4 months later, MSRP was 45,900 and some change. The expense is the ultra trim levels, the Powerstroke engine, the 4WD, and crew/supercab options. My payload capacity is 4300 lbs, more than any other Super Duty outside of a dually. Paying 80,000 for a vehicle, any vehicle, is insane to me.
One reason is the 10.5 axle recall. Dealers can’t sell them until resolved. My dealer is sitting on a bunch of them , inspected, failed, and waiting on parts. There is also a recall for rear camera and Pro Trailer Assist that is a stop sale. I have a new F350 company vehicle they can’t release to me until the SW fix is available
These ridiculous prices are why I am still driving my 2001 F450 XLT V10 that has needed tires, brakes, batteries, hoses, 1 starter, 1 fuel pump, and a transmission rebuild at 160,000 miles.
Like said elsewhere.... Price gouging and recalls.... Would love to purchase a F250 Tremor with 7.3.... I can, but I refuse to pay what they are asking just msrp for a 3/4 truck. I refuse to pay any mark ups they all add (neighbor recently paid 110k for a F250 Tremor with Powerstroke). If I did pay what they want, they sure as heck better have the platform worked out. I buy a new vehicle because I don't want others hands in it. No way I'd even consider any manufacturers diesels today.
70k shouldn’t be “base/work model” pricing. Banks keep extending loans on trucks so they keep jacking the prices up and it’s gone beyond what the average person can comfortably afford. Not to mention, they still end up back at the shop due to stupid issues. My 22 Silverado has gone up 10-12k MSRP from the price I paid. I’ll be stuck with this truck for a long while at these prices.
Back in the 70s VERY few folks wanted trucks.....the 80s saw a few more purchased....the 90s a bit more....then it seems like in the early 2000s the "big" vehicle push really took off. Between women having to have Suburbans & other large SUVs & "car guys" all of a sudden having to have a big truck. I grew up with trucks (learned on an old 73 column stick shift) & naturally purchased one new once I could afford one. Prices now are insane but it's driven by corporate greed & demand.
Seems like there was a time people would buy these types of trucks simply for a commuter vehicle. Unless you had a specific purpose, I don't see most buying one of these.
Overpriced trucks, wages far from par on affording these kinds of prices. Interest rates are outgrowing take home pay. The average age of American vehicles will hit 20 year in no time at this rate.
Every single 2023 and 2024 Ford Super Duty truck that's the XL base models......If you see one sitting on the lot at any dealership it's not for sale to private individuals. All of those XL Super Duty's are Pre-Sold Fleet trucks..... If you are an individual and want an XL base model Super Duty from Ford you'll hafta order it and wait......
Have you looked at the price of diesel recently ? And OPEC is trying to drive it higher all the time. And the maintenance cost on a Ford diesel is insane. And they depreciate like crazy.
How much is maintenance on a Ford diesel compared to the others?? Depreciation?? That's funny, used Ford diesels have been over MSRP the last 4 model years ...by a LOT. The market may be adjusting, but it's been a windfall if you were smart enough to order one and had the patience..
The platinum, king ranch , tremor are selling great. I ordered a 24 xlt tremor HO because i did not want to wait for a platinum. The ford super duty tremor is best HD truck in my opinion. Gm/chevy, ram are loaded with trucks on lots too
Prices have gotten out of hand along with inflation of everything else. The used vehicle market has taken a beating lately. They are not worth the financial burden unless it is bought for a tax right off.
The lower trims are sitting mainly because that is what Ford has been producing. The higher trims were all going to people that pre ordered. Occasionally youll see one that the original buyer backed out on. I thibk we will cobtinue seeing more of the lariats and above on lots
I think, if you're paying $80,000+ for a Lariat then spend the extra money and get a platinum. Sadly the people that used to buy the Lariats have stopped because they're too expensive now and those that were already paying $80,000 for a truck before these massive prices hikes just accepted it and were able to afford the higher trim levels and go with that. I also think in the Lariats and below you're getting far less standard equipment than you did just a few years ago yet you're paying much more for the truck.
This is a good time for cash buyers. Trucks, houses, furniture, whatever. Those people can still get good deals. Everyone else is screwed. Let’s Go Brandon!
It’s the same reason all of the other slow selling vehicles are slow selling. Because they doubled the price. They’re out of touch thinking the average person can, buy or is willing to buy, a $100,000 vehicle
I had my 2006 F-250 6L Bullet Proofed, Had front seats recovered, had some dents removed, and Repainted original color … all for $10,000. That is why I did not and will NOT buy a new $100,000.00+ to buy the same trim level and HD Diesel truck …. No Thank You … I am NOT one of those have to have a New Truck every other year people in the first place …
So many potential sale items sitting around but they refuse to come down to reasonable prices so they will continue to sit. If the big 3 don't do something about dealer markups and overall cost soon, they won't be around much longer.
That XL needs to be closer to $55,000, not 70K. Ford made way too many XLT's, Lariats etc and not enough XL's and XL "STX" trims... dealer lots might have 50+ trucks sitting but very few will be XL's so you can't get a deal. I am sure these fully loaded trucks are nice to own but Ford needs to wake up and realize even 50K is at the top of a lot of peoples budgets. Ford needs to focus on value not luxury which would include making fewer diesel trucks and more of the affordable gas options... nobody actually needs a diesel engine in an F250 with singles on the rear axle.
Looks are subjective, I think they're pretty plain looking, jmo... However, overpriced and too many trips back to the mechanic will drop sales fairly quick.
Mechanic? What are you talking about? The 7.3 gas is probably the best gas ford has ever had and the 6.7 is the best diesel they ever had no issues for hundreds of thousands of miles
Makes you wonder how people can afford to buy a truck in this market. Are they financing up to their eyeballs? I consider myself an average consumer who makes a decent living. I absolutely cannot afford one of these trucks!
there are a ton of people with cash......these trucks were never intended for avg people, buy a base model F150........seen GMC elevations for 38k with 2.7 engine for sale....like 13k off there are trucks available for avg people problem is avg people want Denalis for 50k so they can afford them.......lets be real
I have been casually shopping for a diesel truck for months now. But prices are just ridiculous, granted a lot of the dealer markups have gone away now but interest rates have skyrocketed. So in the end it's still like paying a huge markup. I also can't believe Ford updated their trucks and are still using the CP4 pumps.
Let me.take a shot. They are 85,000 to 125,000 and within the first two years of owning it there's a good chance that it will be in the shop with the cab off. Go figure.
I got my ford 250 xl for around $67k ($80k with all the crap/tax they plastered on). Its the extra $15k-$20k of dealer prep etc that kills the sale. And you don't really need the stuff above the XL. Do you need retracting floor boards? Most of that junk is just a service call waiting to happen. Also don't buy any 2020-2021. Those are Covid trucks.
I don’t hardly see any new trucks and cars on the streets of late. People are growing smart and shutting it down. People are scared about everything such as the economy, banks, jobs, war, the list goes on. People if they have it are holding on to their money which is the smart move during this time. My paid off 2018 F-150 with 47,000 miles is doing just fine an I expect it to service my truck needs for many years to come.
@JB Review: The XL with STX package is the next value by far in the Super Duty line right now. I have to admit, I would want a Lariat with Ultimate and Sport packages.
If you owned a small construction company or any company where you’re hauling something that truck is a write off and that’s why they are so expensive. If you lose the tax write off, people would not be able to buy those trucks.
If you are in a situation that requires these super duty vehicles the only choice is which brand to purchase or lease. Equipment moving is a big part of construction.
I ordered an F350 2023 and as soon as I heard no one willing to even make a deal on the truck. I backed out. I got instead a used truck and very happy with it. Looking at that "special" order work truck F350 priced at 68k is just a joke. That's at best, a mid to high 40's value. That is why they are not being bought
I think the best deal right now overall is the XL 4x4 with the 6.8 gas , Off Road package , it comes with 3.73 or 4.10 locking axel and oversize off road tires. I speced one out in crew cab with 8ft bed it had a high payload and some other nice options for around 62k. There is a dealer in Iowa , Granger Ford that sells below suggested retail price on most ordered trucks. You can have that 6.8 V8 tuned and add headers and it will have more power than a stock Godzilla 7.3 gas motor. If you don't need carpeting and some other high-end options this is the way to go on a budget for a Superduty imo.
I was able to get a 2024 Chevy 3500 LT with the new interior, power rear window, Z71 off road package, power folding mirrors, multi-flex tailgate, painted door handles, HD surround, center console, etc..for just over $70k. Similar priced Ford was an XL and it didn’t even have a spray in bed liner much less a 13 inch display. You get way more for the money with a Chevy LT.
@@billysprague6219Ford still uses the CP4. If that goes out, it’s an $18k repair. My Chevy 2024 3500 with independent front suspension rides like a Cadillac compared to a Ford. Now if it was a Lariet with the Tremor and Black appearance package, then maybe. But that would be a $93k truck vs my $73k Chevy. No way a Ford is worth $20k more.
@@billysprague6219Both Chevy and GMC trucks are identical with only aesthetics separating them. GM sells 550k HD trucks to Ford’s 467k. So GM sells far more trucks than Ford.
@@gregoire8376 The fuel millage on a diesel is negated by the cost of diesel... its not like a diesel gets 35 MPG and the gas gets 10.. the gas motor obviously burns more but gas is way cheaper than diesel... of course it used to be the other way around because diesel is actually easier to produce than gas, but we live in a clown world.
Once they start to lower work truck trim levels to 40K ish MSRP and they start offering 8-10K off again then we will start buying again. 55K for a work truck gas engine is a Joke.
What's super common is they are priced 25,000 over what they should be !
$25000???? A working truck shouldn’t be more than $30000
But NTSB and the big 2 1/2 love when new regulations so they can charge way more for for a vehicle
More like 90,000
Jb, you have lost your mind... This is the first time I believe you are sleeping behind the wheel. It's the cost of these trucks manufacturers need to go back to 2018 prices. The average person can NO longer afford... The higher trim are customer orders... Ram, Chevy, and GMC can't give them away as well. The party is coming to an end... I'm surprised you can't see that..
100 Percent
You are the fool here because you are talking with a broke person attitude.
Totally, also something l'm seeing is the price of super clean, not screwed with, 7.3 Power strokes increasing in price, and being snapped up within days of being listed.
And I'm talking about 150,000 miles and less variants, going for 27,000 to 39,000. I recently quit bidding on a F-250, 4 door, 89,000 miles, 7.3 manual transmission. It ended going for $41,000 🤯
I agree the cost of owning a power stroke also cost more than most want to pay. If they can afford the truck in the first place.
Yes, but it's also the number of factory recalls for engine, transmission, and electrical issues that plague all the manufacturers.
They quit selling because of price and recalls
Because if you can afford a lower trim you can afford a higher trim. That market that bought base models got priced out with inflation😂
Yep
Exactly, the working common sense family is priced out of even lower trim models.
@@idaho_7407I agree
Because they jacked up prices 30% the past 3 years. Now rates are over 6%. Not many normal people can afford $1000 a month
And ram and gmc and literally every toyota sold was at an average 10,000 ABOVE sticker.. can't price gouge if somebody is willing to overpay. And millions of Americans overpayed, you can thank the price decreases on those of us that didn't at that time
Think they mostly stop selling because Ford dealerships have been really price gouging and overcharging their customers. Finally people are getting tired of it.
$100k price tag with 10% interest. I was at a CJDR and a GM dealership yesterday. Both had plenty of HD trucks sitting on their lots.
I’m hoping 1-2 years gets us back to the old days of incentives and steep discounts up to $10K off MSRP near the end of the model year.
You already see it at Ram now.
But if the msrp is in the neighborhood of $100,000 that 10k off doesn’t do it for me.
I think that dealers have figured out that if you can afford a 80 thousand dollar truck, you can afford the 10 thousand dollars extra. The pandemic proved it
True. I wouldn’t buy the 80k truck if the 100k truck was what I wanted. To me it seems prices are generally inflating faster than most wages or retirement accounts. A lot of folks had the disposable income to absorb some of the reduced buying power/real wealth, but that margin might be exhausted for many, leading to reduced discretionary spending.
Also it seems to me luxury diesel pickups are often bought by older people who are established financially and want a comfy rv puller, or by younger people who are foolish enough to take on crippling debt.
For an old boomer the era when say 32k would get you a loaded diesel truck doesn’t seem that long ago, and they just aren’t willing to pay 3x that. For the younger people who can’t write the check, rising interest rates, plus the realization that the pickup payment is going to torpedo what kind of house they might qualify for…
@@JeffinTDAll very true, with the exceptions of ALOT of Gen Z's WELL into their 20s are STILL living with mommy & daddy and spending everything they make (with help from said parents) on 50, 60, 70 grand vehicles. It's amazing how quickly these HD trucks sell !
When pickup trucks cost more than a semi truck that's when you know they're taking you for a ride.
What are semi trucks prices?
I don’t know. I think it’s more to do with interest rates and the shear pricing increases over the past 2-3 years. It’s insane.
True, interest rates are insane too…
Bought my new F250 in 17. I thought $56,000 was absolute bull shyt! Now you can't buy jack for $56k. I'm now building a 97 F150 and next is a 97 F350. No more new trucks ever.
They stopped because of people like me who tried and tried to buy a 2022 and then a 2023 and got tired of 20k over MSRP. I was a loyal Ford guy. Now I have a 2023 GMC 3500 Denali Dually. Nice truck. Ford can keep their 20k over MSRP trucks. It was a feeding frenzy and Ford just turned the dealers loose and let them do whatever they felt like doing. Eventually it will come back to bite them in the butt! Maybe that time is now!!!
You went from 1 junk v8 diesel to the next....
when I tried to buy a 2022 maverick the full msrp was paid when it came in dealer place a dealers add on of 20k took my money back and told him to stick it up his butt...bought a new Santa Cruz instead
I’ll never own a GM product after the bailout. I’m just concerned how to keep my ‘07 Cummins going for the rest of my life.
A buddy of mine bought a brand new F-350. Within a week it just stopped running. They took it back due to lemon law. He got into another F-350 with a higher trim level. Within days we noticed a puddle of power steering fluid under the truck. One week. Two trucks. Ugh. He got the power steering leak fixed and it's been good, but wow.
The prices are absolutely insane on all of these trucks - that's why they're setting on the lot. $70k for an XL work truck?!?! No thanks.
I believe it has to do with common sense. Even if you have a bag, ain’t nobody wanna have a $1000, 1,200 truck payment. It’s ridiculous.
The truck market has priced out its customers unfortunately.
$1,200 a month is okay the problem is its $1,200 a month or 72 or 84 months.... people used to finance cars and trucks for 3 years.. so you'd take it hard for 36 months and then have a fully paid off low milage truck that was still worth some decent money..
the dude with 9% over 84 months will pay more for his 50k truck than another on his 70k truck on a 3 year note......
heard of people paying 16% over 84 months on a 35-40k car that will cost more than a truck in the end
people that have a bag don't care.....they pay cash for 100k trucks, or there money is earning more in the market than the interest their paying on the vehicle
get a 100% write off on my truck for business, so payment doesn't matter......paying the least amount of overall interest matters more......lots of ways to skin a cat
@@jonathantaylor6926 exactly, its the term and rate that matters
Better to bank the 1200 a month in a High Yield 5% Savings account 😜👍
1:38 100K at 7,8,9% interest means you’re well over $1,000 a month for a truck that won’t be worth 10 in ten years. It’s just a real good way to get super upside down in a vehicle. I’d love to get a newer truck over instead of patching my 02 4 runner before every winter but not at these insane interest rates over something I own outright and only drive basically December through April ( mustang for the rest of the year at 3% interest).
I get what your saying but don't be over dramatic. Show me a decent 2014 f250 powerstroke under 10k LMAO
Yup just add a warenty payment plan and interest, and inflated insurance cost onto that depreciating asset and you got a real winner. Lol.
Price, price, price!!! I just can’t justify that kind of money for a vehicle that will plummet in value within the first few years of ownership.
The higher trim level trucks do not come with the options like 2 years ago. A lot of people like myself just went with the lariat. There is nothing more than panels and names above that. 😊
Can you give me some examples of the mission options you're talking about?
I went even further than you. I’m content with the XLT.
@@patbullard9276 Same, but XL. The STX and Sport package was all that was really necessary (gotta have the giant console and at least sport cloth not vinyl).
The only feature I wish I had was keyless entry/push button start, but that wasn't worth the, what, 8 grand in multiple trim levels? Plus the Lariats come with the console shifter which sucks, column shifter all the way.
Katzkin leather is cheaper and higher quality than Lariat leather, the "lane assist" and adaptive cruise control "features" are annoying af to me and so on. Not only do they cost more, and are annoying, but then there's more shit to break and cost money later, too.
It's pretty easy to modify MOST things so they are exactly how you want them, cheaper, better quality, and so on. Just pick the basics that you want like engine, tow package, cab config, console, 4x4, and you're set.
Sixty eight thousand for what you described as bare bones xl is outrageous. Even is you dropped the diesel option it’s still insane.
@@patbullard9276 ???
Too Expensive. I was looking at one earlier this year, but the prices have just gone nuts.
Diego at that dealer is a Legal thief assistant.
These prices are so crazy, I have to laugh. These trucks will sit on the lot until massive incentives are put in place or Ford sees reality on their sticker prices. How every CEO thought that the early pandemic markups would last forever is beyond me. Greed blinded them to reality. They will now pay the price as most people do not make the income to support these kind of truck prices.
The answer is quite simple as others have noted. All HD trucks cost too much for most people and interest rates are sky high. Unique to the West coast states, the high price of fuel also has people rethinking the purchase of these rigs.
in Canada the superduty have no Ford Credit so you get the banks 8.5-10% interest rates, couple that with the 10-20k markups and people will let them sit there
Because they’re $100,000 ? Did I get it right? You bet I did.
You can bet your bottom dollar that dually has a markup. I priced two trucks at Grapevine Texas Ford; 2023 Platinum Tremor, $15K markup; and, 2023 King Ranch, $10K markup.
Grapevine ford is the biggest POS dealer in the metroplex. Try 5 star in Lewisville. I ordered an f150 through them during the peak markup times and they didn’t charge a markup, even honored x plan pricing. Oh and didn’t require a deposit for the order. I’d go back to them in a heartbeat.
@gdub350 My dealer allowed x plan and cash back incentive. Got the truck for 13k off msrp.
They stopped selling when the price went over $100,000. Nobody is going to pay that.
Maybe not many people can afford a $125,000 pick ups.
In May 2021 I ordered a 2022 F-350 XLT Regular Cab SRW 2 wheel drive, 7.3L Godzilla, Rapid Red that I later added white vinyl for the retro look. Got it 4 months later, MSRP was 45,900 and some change. The expense is the ultra trim levels, the Powerstroke engine, the 4WD, and crew/supercab options. My payload capacity is 4300 lbs, more than any other Super Duty outside of a dually. Paying 80,000 for a vehicle, any vehicle, is insane to me.
One reason is the 10.5 axle recall. Dealers can’t sell them until resolved. My dealer is sitting on a bunch of them , inspected, failed, and waiting on parts. There is also a recall for rear camera and Pro Trailer Assist that is a stop sale. I have a new F350 company vehicle they can’t release to me until the SW fix is available
100% correct. I went in to buy one off the lot and they couldn't sell it for that exact reason.
A Platinum Without Multi-contour seats, IS NOT A PLATINUM 🫤.
I’ll be in as soon as they take 15% off MSRP
I will be in when they improve the quality
Local Ford dealer just went out of business. They received a load of XLT and up truck inventory. 3 months later they closed the doors.
Wanted to buy an F-350 but camshaft failures just out of warranty and 10 speed automatic transmission failures at 150 k keep me away
Because they are the price of a 2/2 block construction home in Florida from 2019.
Holding onto my 2003 7.3 as long as I can keep getting parts for it.
What do you mean 100k for a dually isn’t terrible? It’s horrendous.
I’m a landscaper that plows snow I’m not paying $100k or even $70k for a work truck. We bought trucks in 17&18 for $45k w plows
These ridiculous prices are why I am still driving my 2001 F450 XLT V10 that has needed tires, brakes, batteries, hoses, 1 starter, 1 fuel pump, and a transmission rebuild at 160,000 miles.
Like said elsewhere.... Price gouging and recalls.... Would love to purchase a F250 Tremor with 7.3.... I can, but I refuse to pay what they are asking just msrp for a 3/4 truck. I refuse to pay any mark ups they all add (neighbor recently paid 110k for a F250 Tremor with Powerstroke).
If I did pay what they want, they sure as heck better have the platform worked out. I buy a new vehicle because I don't want others hands in it. No way I'd even consider any manufacturers diesels today.
No brainer there price of cars is outrageous
70k shouldn’t be “base/work model” pricing. Banks keep extending loans on trucks so they keep jacking the prices up and it’s gone beyond what the average person can comfortably afford. Not to mention, they still end up back at the shop due to stupid issues. My 22 Silverado has gone up 10-12k MSRP from the price I paid. I’ll be stuck with this truck for a long while at these prices.
Those Lariat prices are what I paid for my Duramax LTZ Chev 3500 dually! That could be one reason.
people finally came to their sences.its NOT supposed to be a lincon or a peterbilt.but an AFFORDABLE RELIABLE light duty truck.right now its NEITHER.
Back in the 70s VERY few folks wanted trucks.....the 80s saw a few more purchased....the 90s a bit more....then it seems like in the early 2000s the "big" vehicle push really took off. Between women having to have Suburbans & other large SUVs & "car guys" all of a sudden having to have a big truck. I grew up with trucks (learned on an old 73 column stick shift) & naturally purchased one new once I could afford one. Prices now are insane but it's driven by corporate greed & demand.
No one needs anything over an xlt. But profit is on higher trim. Guess what they only make now.
I’ll blame it on how ugly the new body style looks and how expensive they are.
It’s not ugly, it’s just tough looking 🧌
You misspelled *rough* 😂😂
The front end of the 2024 looks absolutely horrible. I have a 2017 and love the chiseled look. By smoothing the lines out they made it look ugly……
Seems like there was a time people would buy these types of trucks simply for a commuter vehicle. Unless you had a specific purpose, I don't see most buying one of these.
Overpriced trucks, wages far from par on affording these kinds of prices. Interest rates are outgrowing take home pay. The average age of American vehicles will hit 20 year in no time at this rate.
All dealerships from all 3 are sitting. Without incentives they will sit.
My old 2016 f250 diesel crew cab 4wd is a bargain for the $50k new I paid for it. Only has 80k miles on it.
Every single 2023 and 2024 Ford Super Duty truck that's the XL base models......If you see one sitting on the lot at any dealership it's not for sale to private individuals. All of those XL Super Duty's are Pre-Sold Fleet trucks.....
If you are an individual and want an XL base model Super Duty from Ford you'll hafta order it and wait......
Makes no sense to pay all that money for a truck unless it can pay for itself by being on the job.
I wish my local ford dealer have all those trucks lol. They bring like 1 every two months
Cuz no one in there right mind is going to pay 60k for a basic work truck. 😂😂
Have you looked at the price of diesel recently ? And OPEC is trying to drive it higher all the time. And the maintenance cost on a Ford diesel is insane. And they depreciate like crazy.
Not all of them are diesel
How much is maintenance on a Ford diesel compared to the others??
Depreciation??
That's funny, used Ford diesels have been over MSRP the last 4 model years ...by a LOT.
The market may be adjusting, but it's been a windfall if you were smart enough to order one and had the patience..
The cost is the main reason and the mark ups
The price of diesel is approaching $5.00 a gallon plus DEF & the sales price are all close to $100K who wants that burden
The platinum, king ranch , tremor are selling great. I ordered a 24 xlt tremor HO because i did not want to wait for a platinum. The ford super duty tremor is best HD truck in my opinion. Gm/chevy, ram are loaded with trucks on lots too
Prices have gotten out of hand along with inflation of everything else. The used vehicle market has taken a beating lately. They are not worth the financial burden unless it is bought for a tax right off.
The lower trims are sitting mainly because that is what Ford has been producing. The higher trims were all going to people that pre ordered. Occasionally youll see one that the original buyer backed out on. I thibk we will cobtinue seeing more of the lariats and above on lots
People are backing out of all trims but the KR and up trims have 2-3 buyers lined up if someone decides not to take it
@@JB_WhoWork yep ive seen that. My dad actually got his 250 7.3 lariat ultimate that way. Love the channel JB
I think, if you're paying $80,000+ for a Lariat then spend the extra money and get a platinum. Sadly the people that used to buy the Lariats have stopped because they're too expensive now and those that were already paying $80,000 for a truck before these massive prices hikes just accepted it and were able to afford the higher trim levels and go with that. I also think in the Lariats and below you're getting far less standard equipment than you did just a few years ago yet you're paying much more for the truck.
I have always purchased trucks, but i cant justify that purchase anymore. They have gotten way too expensive. Theyre just not worth it anymore.
perhaps rising interest rates are a factor. People who have that much liquidity or businesses are buying the higher levels.
This is a good time for cash buyers. Trucks, houses, furniture, whatever. Those people can still get good deals. Everyone else is screwed. Let’s Go Brandon!
Not even
It’s the same reason all of the other slow selling vehicles are slow selling. Because they doubled the price. They’re out of touch thinking the average person can, buy or is willing to buy, a $100,000 vehicle
Shoot, I'll take an XLT with a lift-up center console any day of the week!
I had my 2006 F-250 6L Bullet Proofed, Had front seats recovered, had some dents removed, and Repainted original color … all for $10,000. That is why I did not and will NOT buy a new $100,000.00+ to buy the same trim level and HD Diesel truck …. No Thank You … I am NOT one of those have to have a New Truck every other year people in the first place …
$100K is downright stupid. People, please stop paying these prices. That’s the only way to slow down or stop this crazy train
So many potential sale items sitting around but they refuse to come down to reasonable prices so they will continue to sit. If the big 3 don't do something about dealer markups and overall cost soon, they won't be around much longer.
That XL needs to be closer to $55,000, not 70K. Ford made way too many XLT's, Lariats etc and not enough XL's and XL "STX" trims... dealer lots might have 50+ trucks sitting but very few will be XL's so you can't get a deal. I am sure these fully loaded trucks are nice to own but Ford needs to wake up and realize even 50K is at the top of a lot of peoples budgets. Ford needs to focus on value not luxury which would include making fewer diesel trucks and more of the affordable gas options... nobody actually needs a diesel engine in an F250 with singles on the rear axle.
Looks are subjective, I think they're pretty plain looking, jmo... However, overpriced and too many trips back to the mechanic will drop sales fairly quick.
Mechanic? What are you talking about? The 7.3 gas is probably the best gas ford has ever had and the 6.7 is the best diesel they ever had no issues for hundreds of thousands of miles
Too many other trucks to choose from that’s better😅
2023’s you re buying a 1 year old truck....it’s good if you drive a lot but if you don’t you better wait for 2024.
Makes you wonder how people can afford to buy a truck in this market. Are they financing up to their eyeballs? I consider myself an average consumer who makes a decent living. I absolutely cannot afford one of these trucks!
No just paying cash.
there are a ton of people with cash......these trucks were never intended for avg people, buy a base model F150........seen GMC elevations for 38k with 2.7 engine for sale....like 13k off
there are trucks available for avg people problem is avg people want Denalis for 50k so they can afford them.......lets be real
I have been casually shopping for a diesel truck for months now. But prices are just ridiculous, granted a lot of the dealer markups have gone away now but interest rates have skyrocketed. So in the end it's still like paying a huge markup.
I also can't believe Ford updated their trucks and are still using the CP4 pumps.
The big 3 pumped out as much inventory as possible before the strike. Interest rates went up and over stock created inventory.
Let me.take a shot. They are 85,000 to 125,000 and within the first two years of owning it there's a good chance that it will be in the shop with the cab off. Go figure.
I got my ford 250 xl for around $67k ($80k with all the crap/tax they plastered on). Its the extra $15k-$20k of dealer prep etc that kills the sale. And you don't really need the stuff above the XL. Do you need retracting floor boards? Most of that junk is just a service call waiting to happen. Also don't buy any 2020-2021. Those are Covid trucks.
I don’t hardly see any new trucks and cars on the streets of late. People are growing smart and shutting it down. People are scared about everything such as the economy, banks, jobs, war, the list goes on. People if they have it are holding on to their money which is the smart move during this time. My paid off 2018 F-150 with 47,000 miles is doing just fine an I expect it to service my truck needs for many years to come.
$80 k that’s why. They can keep them
@JB Review: The XL with STX package is the next value by far in the Super Duty line right now. I have to admit, I would want a Lariat with Ultimate and Sport packages.
At an average of 68K. They are way out if range of the normal pickup driver
If you owned a small construction company or any company where you’re hauling something that truck is a write off and that’s why they are so expensive. If you lose the tax write off, people would not be able to buy those trucks.
If you are in a situation that requires these super duty vehicles the only choice is which brand to purchase or lease. Equipment moving is a big part of construction.
Loose cheap money breeds expensive toys and necessities. Vote to the left for more expenive freebies
Ford styling for the super duties is horrible. It’s gone backwards.
It’s actually better you just haven’t noticed yet. I used to think the same till I learned.
I ordered an F350 2023 and as soon as I heard no one willing to even make a deal on the truck. I backed out. I got instead a used truck and very happy with it.
Looking at that "special" order work truck F350 priced at 68k is just a joke. That's at best, a mid to high 40's value. That is why they are not being bought
and not only are they buying the 100k trucks but they’re financing them at insane high interest rates!
I think the best deal right now overall is the XL 4x4 with the 6.8 gas , Off Road package , it comes with 3.73 or 4.10 locking axel and oversize off road tires. I speced one out in crew cab with 8ft bed it had a high payload and some other nice options for around 62k. There is a dealer in Iowa , Granger Ford that sells below suggested retail price on most ordered trucks.
You can have that 6.8 V8 tuned and add headers and it will have more power than a stock Godzilla 7.3 gas motor. If you don't need carpeting and some other high-end options this is the way to go on a budget for a Superduty imo.
One thing to consider, the dealers ordered what they could get fast, to build up stock, in case they could get nothing during strike by uaw .
why would the work truck be almost 70k? chevy with the duramax will be way less. probably still in the 50s for a W/T. low 60s for a custom.
Higher trim levels are special order only and they only build a set amount during the year when the order banks are filled.
I was able to get a 2024 Chevy 3500 LT with the new interior, power rear window, Z71 off road package, power folding mirrors, multi-flex tailgate, painted door handles, HD surround, center console, etc..for just over $70k. Similar priced Ford was an XL and it didn’t even have a spray in bed liner much less a 13 inch display. You get way more for the money with a Chevy LT.
True perhaps, but there’s a reason for that. Compared to Ford, no one wants a Chevy.
@@billysprague6219Ford still uses the CP4. If that goes out, it’s an $18k repair. My Chevy 2024 3500 with independent front suspension rides like a Cadillac compared to a Ford. Now if it was a Lariet with the Tremor and Black appearance package, then maybe. But that would be a $93k truck vs my $73k Chevy. No way a Ford is worth $20k more.
@@jayb7675 I hear you but it seems like most people disagree because Ford sells far more trucks than Chevy.
@@billysprague6219Both Chevy and GMC trucks are identical with only aesthetics separating them. GM sells 550k HD trucks to Ford’s 467k. So GM sells far more trucks than Ford.
@@billysprague6219 hmm is that why GM has been outselling Ford for years?? Ford also has the worst quality of them all 🤦♂️
I’d take the 7:3
I might have taken that engine in the old days .... But then I got tired of whining about fuel mileage and power. Diesel it is.
@@gregoire8376 The fuel millage on a diesel is negated by the cost of diesel... its not like a diesel gets 35 MPG and the gas gets 10.. the gas motor obviously burns more but gas is way cheaper than diesel... of course it used to be the other way around because diesel is actually easier to produce than gas, but we live in a clown world.
99K that is insane, would buy it for 50K from them
Once they start to lower work truck trim levels to 40K ish MSRP and they start offering 8-10K off again then we will start buying again. 55K for a work truck gas engine is a Joke.
.seen GMC elevations for 38k with 2.7 engine for sale.... 13k off
People just don’t care anymore. If they are going down they figure they might as well go down big.
They have become outrageously expensive. Couple that with high interest rates and crazy bidenflation. Nobody can afford them.
I can only hope. I'm waiting for March to get serious. XLT 7.3
The company tells it all. They say the f series is their biggest profit maker. Huge profits.
What ever the market will bare.
Yup. I want what I want. I usually order a truck vs off the lot.