@@enderslayer162 Bracket 4 is going to be cEDH, landfall won't be the problem. The problem would be literally every other deck with green would still run this.
I can't believe people think Tinker can be unbanned in the cEDH bracket but not Emrakul. She would be unplayable in bracket 4, Tinker would be an auto include in every deck. People for some reason have this idea that they're going to unban actual OP cards but not cards that wouldn't even see play in the bracket they'd be unbanned in. Coalition Victory, Primetime, and Biorhythm are probablys, Gifts Ungiven and Sylvan are maybes, but Tinker and Fastbond would see play in every deck in cEDH that has access to the color, they will not be unbanned. It's like expecting Tolarian to be unbanned, it sounds almost reasonable at first because Gaea's and Serra's are not banned, then you realize that those 2 care about your deck archetype and Tolarian would go into every deck because every deck runs enough artifacts to make it worth.
i already bought my copy of gifts ungiven just in case. i also ordered a card that should be on this list: panoptic mirror. however, there is no way in hell sylvan primordial, fastbond and primeval titan are getting unbanned. primeval titan even less so, with the recent dockside ban.
I don't really get your logic comparing Fastbond and Exploration. A card that lets you play one extra land per turn being okay but not outstanding doesn't mean that a card that lets you play effectively infinite lands per turn won't be absolutely broken. It either sets you ahead massively, or straight up gives you a combo win off a bounce land and a landfall trigger.
What I’m seeing is a green players mindset towards the bans If you un ban them they just become auto includes in your decks I have a couple pages in my binder dedicated to my banned cards and tinker being unbanned would ruin decks in a few ways, basically just cheating out a hasty blightsteel colossus ideally then working through the pod isn’t fun
@dashkatae but one removal card is all you need to stop both situations. You either take out prophet, or take out seedborne and it stops them from having multiple turns.
@ ahh the whole dies to removal argument that everyone brings up but doesn’t tend to play out right. Prophet is blue green, so probably is loaded with counter spells as well. Have you ever played against a decent deck with prophet in it? It’s like they’re taking four turns every turn cycle.
Hullbreacher would be unbanned into cEDH only where Hullbreacher wheel is a non-deterministic "I probably win the game" combo. Doubtful we see him unbanned. Gifts Ungiven maybe.
@@cassioklein I don't understand the comparison. Orcish Bowmasters doesn't remove all cards from your opponents hands and give you 20ish treasures. The problem with Hullbreacher is that it doesn't win, it just makes your opponents have nothing while you wait to see if you can win. If Hullbreacher combo won the game, he'd be more likely to be unbanned. He'd be significantly stronger than Orcish but that's not the main problem.
all the "you win" cards will stay banned. Fastbond, sylvan primordial, primeval titan arent even that strong or have huge counterplay. LOL no at Tinker, what are you even smoking
primevil would be fine in commander now. they just printed a primeval type card in this new set or the last set. sylvan probably wont come off. destroy enemy lands then put that many on your own field is busted even today. they have a destroy 3 lands for 9 mana in green creature already that gets played. if they unban it then im putting it in my sylesnia blink deck instantly. free win destroying everyone's shit and ramping myself for free blinks everytime i do it.
@Masteroftheweb good ol prime time is still busted, but it's not that crazy in commander. My group allowed him and it didn't really go that crazy. But we were just getting colored mana with it not combing off with valakut or field of the dead or degenerate stuff like Grabbing depths and thespian stage.
@@Jrizzle7426 Your group showed restraint, if everyone could do that we wouldn't need a banlist at all. But you know HOW busted he still is, even in commander.
I 100% know what he is capable of. I played in standard when they were running around back in the day. He is still a creature and can be removed. He wouldn't destroy the format, but he would warp it.
If Unban Fast bond , I can win aesi and Ashaya turn 1 without mana crypt and jewel lotus 😂 at that point, mind as well unban channel and paradox engine 😂
Thanks for reminding me why each of these cards needs to stay banned and letting me know how little you understand these cards.
It is possible to be right and absolutely unsufferable at the same time. Congrats on being a douche.
Bruh, it makes me wonder if this guy even plays the game.
Dude, tinker, bolas citadel.................. NO, its one of the best things to do... IN VINTAGE
Fastbond is broken dude what
I don't see wotc unbanning reserve list cards because they can't make money on them.
Dude, Fastbond is broken. I think people forget wheels are a thing. You can very easily win the game on turn one.
Comparing fast bond to exploration... I'm like "What?! Do you not understand the game?!"
you forgot about bounce lands in a landfall deck allows you to win the game with 30 landfall triggers
@@enderslayer162 Bracket 4 is going to be cEDH, landfall won't be the problem. The problem would be literally every other deck with green would still run this.
I can't believe people think Tinker can be unbanned in the cEDH bracket but not Emrakul. She would be unplayable in bracket 4, Tinker would be an auto include in every deck. People for some reason have this idea that they're going to unban actual OP cards but not cards that wouldn't even see play in the bracket they'd be unbanned in. Coalition Victory, Primetime, and Biorhythm are probablys, Gifts Ungiven and Sylvan are maybes, but Tinker and Fastbond would see play in every deck in cEDH that has access to the color, they will not be unbanned. It's like expecting Tolarian to be unbanned, it sounds almost reasonable at first because Gaea's and Serra's are not banned, then you realize that those 2 care about your deck archetype and Tolarian would go into every deck because every deck runs enough artifacts to make it worth.
I seriously want Panoptic Mirror, not for anything like infinite turns, only so I can cast Disrupt Decorum every turn in my goad deck.
Unbanning Fastbond... in a 40 life format no less... tell me another one
i already bought my copy of gifts ungiven just in case. i also ordered a card that should be on this list: panoptic mirror.
however, there is no way in hell sylvan primordial, fastbond and primeval titan are getting unbanned. primeval titan even less so, with the recent dockside ban.
I don't really get your logic comparing Fastbond and Exploration. A card that lets you play one extra land per turn being okay but not outstanding doesn't mean that a card that lets you play effectively infinite lands per turn won't be absolutely broken. It either sets you ahead massively, or straight up gives you a combo win off a bounce land and a landfall trigger.
I think a better point of comparison for Fastbond is that it's effectively a better Burgeoning.
Sylvan primordial was disgusting when it was legal. I hope to God it stays banned
-bans jeweled lotus cause it's too fast-.........-unbans fastbond-
Basically what I heard on this video….”these cards have a high chance of being POSSIBLY UNBANNED because they’re low in price”
What I’m seeing is a green players mindset towards the bans
If you un ban them they just become auto includes in your decks
I have a couple pages in my binder dedicated to my banned cards and tinker being unbanned would ruin decks in a few ways, basically just cheating out a hasty blightsteel colossus ideally then working through the pod isn’t fun
Tinker, bolas’s citadel in a format where you start with 40 life would be all too common and make the format so boring. Tinker needs to stay gone.
I don't see a problem with prophet of kruphix.
The person with prophet is basically getting three extra turns every turn cycle in probably the best color combination for card draw and ramp.
@dashkatae it's not like i can't do that with seedborne/leyline anyways.
@ two cards versus one is huge. Prophet would be an auto include in just about every blue green deck.
@dashkatae but one removal card is all you need to stop both situations. You either take out prophet, or take out seedborne and it stops them from having multiple turns.
@ ahh the whole dies to removal argument that everyone brings up but doesn’t tend to play out right. Prophet is blue green, so probably is loaded with counter spells as well. Have you ever played against a decent deck with prophet in it? It’s like they’re taking four turns every turn cycle.
I like your videos! Keep on it
primordial broken in blink and land destruction bad
They need to tell the rc to pound sand
What rc
Ain't. No. Way. They. Unban. #1
They should unban gifts ungiven and hullbreacher
Hullbreacher would be unbanned into cEDH only where Hullbreacher wheel is a non-deterministic "I probably win the game" combo. Doubtful we see him unbanned. Gifts Ungiven maybe.
@@thewheelsman29Then they should ban orcish Bowmasters too
@@cassioklein I don't understand the comparison. Orcish Bowmasters doesn't remove all cards from your opponents hands and give you 20ish treasures. The problem with Hullbreacher is that it doesn't win, it just makes your opponents have nothing while you wait to see if you can win. If Hullbreacher combo won the game, he'd be more likely to be unbanned. He'd be significantly stronger than Orcish but that's not the main problem.
all the "you win" cards will stay banned.
Fastbond, sylvan primordial, primeval titan arent even that strong or have huge counterplay.
LOL no at Tinker, what are you even smoking
Fastbond not strong? When you have 40 life? Okay lol.
primevil would be fine in commander now. they just printed a primeval type card in this new set or the last set. sylvan probably wont come off. destroy enemy lands then put that many on your own field is busted even today. they have a destroy 3 lands for 9 mana in green creature already that gets played. if they unban it then im putting it in my sylesnia blink deck instantly. free win destroying everyone's shit and ramping myself for free blinks everytime i do it.
If you mean that Lord of the wood, you don't understand what makes primeval broken. Those cards are not compatible at all.
Comparible*
@Masteroftheweb good ol prime time is still busted, but it's not that crazy in commander. My group allowed him and it didn't really go that crazy. But we were just getting colored mana with it not combing off with valakut or field of the dead or degenerate stuff like Grabbing depths and thespian stage.
@@Jrizzle7426 Your group showed restraint, if everyone could do that we wouldn't need a banlist at all. But you know HOW busted he still is, even in commander.
I 100% know what he is capable of. I played in standard when they were running around back in the day. He is still a creature and can be removed. He wouldn't destroy the format, but he would warp it.
Unban golos
... If we get an unban for Gaea's Cradle, that would be crazy. Bio Rhythm will be great.
Cradle isn't banned. Tolarian academy?
the only ones on here that look correct is biorhythm, gift's ungiven, and coalition victory
prim time is a coin flip
I would love to see these cards unbanned. I think it would be a ton of fun
Fastbond + Zuran Orb + anything that let's you play lands from the graveyard. Infinite mana, infinite life. Hard pass
Thassa’s Oracle + Demonic Consultation is way faster and easier. If we’re ranking combos
If Unban Fast bond , I can win aesi and Ashaya turn 1 without mana crypt and jewel lotus 😂 at that point, mind as well unban channel and paradox engine 😂