Thanks for the shout out, there was no need I learned a lot through your videos!!!! What annoys me a lot is that WF haven't got an OSS of their own to tie them with Diabelstar, it's literally the missing piece in Sinful/Azamina to WF. About the deck, I love Ogre this format because it is either a handtrap or a boardbreaker on demand. 2 has been my sweet spot but due to its versatility I wouldn't mind 3. Knightmare Phoenix is surprisingly good at dealing with Pain and followup in general (even a set Deception) when you can't close game and the easy climb to Selene makes it even better. My immediate placeholder for that spot was IP while I also played 1 Artemis to have SP's full effect more easily accessible (I found Azamina Erys a bit win more by assuming I won't get to that point when attempting to break a board) About Dinomorphia the trap set was dead until your own Main Phase so I wonder if you could win on their turn by abusing Deception's LP effect. They banished the trap used by Arias to fusion summon that had a anti-burn effect, so due to them not running any handtrap (you can identify this through delays here as well) you could use Deception early for Sacred, recover Wanted, use Wanted for Azamina and on removal burn. Then their fusion trap becomes useless because the anti-burn effect activates (and Silvera will negate it) while it sends monsters to the gy so they essentially are out of plays. If you placed monsters in DEF you could also bait with Toy Box secret effect, I can't tell you how many times this has saved me. About Fiendsmith Tear, I like it way more than the randomness of Horus and I believe they definitely played Grapha there since King of the Swamp has triple duty (Engraver for Desirae, Kit for Rulk, and Grapha). Zarc cooked you because of being a mandatory effect going before you, exactly the opposite of what you did with the rabbit trap on reino. The secret power of rogue decks; ygo players never reading them properly :) The new Blue Eyes is extremely good for Millennium. Searching Ankh early is very important to keep you LP up so that Exodia is more threatening but the deck is very weak to monster effects (they have no negation). Blue-eyes can bait Phantom, send a yubel without triggering it, hit synchros, force Flamberge out so that the boardwipe truly clears the board it has a lot of utility as a bonus to a searcher. Dogwood is not just used defensively but offensively as well making Exodia having even higher ATK to the point the entire gameplan is to survive (thanks to dogwood) then bait everything before a single attack ends the game. If the deck had something like "Mount of the Bount Creator" making Exodia more sticky it would be tier 2.
" WF haven't got an OSS of their own to tie them with Diabelstar" this.... it's the same freaking lore with 0 synergy cards.... how konami.... how... and the inevitable limitations on wanted (no chance it won't get limited soon) and maybe even diabellstar (happened in OCG already tho they always do consistency hits instead of straight bans) completely ends the decks it feels like...
the simpliest thing that could have happened was deception to say "tribute 1 WHITE FOREST monster to add a white forest or azamina card" and everything would have been fixed just like that... then if they wanted to kill snake eyes they could simply ban OSS with no hits to wanted package that will also kill azamina-WF decks.. but nah, it HAD to be made a full generic card for another full generic engine to be splashed into everything...
@@CrisRullz I have to disagree. If you look at "Tales of the White Forest" it's as if it was designed for Diabelstar to make it live, especially the effect. So this could have been "Sinful Spoils of the White Forest" in the exact same fashion as OSS, with banning either allowing the sinful spoils lore to continue getting support but excluding any problematic archetype (if for example WF became as oppressive as snakes) That way Diabel would search it, making both Wanted and Deception starters, it would work with Azamina and the White forest deck would focus on other criminally underutilized Sinful cards like the Silvera trap.
@@babrad tales definitely was meant to be like that with diabellstar or diabellze, but still wouldn't be any bridge or connection between the azamina and the WF cards. Mu rcielago for example now searches both sinful spoils and azamina cards, OSS straight up summons the lvl1s, there is nothing like that between azamina and WF and deception could have easily been this connection just by saying tribute white forest mon instead of completely generic and splashable in any random deck to get an omni within 5 summons
What would you take out for a fiendsmith core? Do you think hand traps will be better ROTA format than board breakers? Thanks for the top tier yugitube content! That Mellinium game was great!
the bare minimum FS engine is one engraver in main and that's it - then closed heaven, requiem, necroquip, w high king in the ED. with a larger fsmith engine i think you might be forced into breakers because of space not sure on hand traps vs breakers in rota because we havent seen the meta representation yet
i dont know if it was answered, but if something gets booked it "forgets" that it was negated so like soldier effect to add toybox, effect veiler, book of moon, effect veiler it DOES get negated, flipped down, "forgets", for the first used veiler "its a different monster?" so neither effect veiler happens and you get the search 🐔👍
I feel like playing against rogue decks is very good to see how the deck sequences, are you able to ramp it up a notch and show gameplay playing into Fiendsmith Azamina Snakes or Fiendsmith Yubel? I feel we would learn more from that as the next step as you're setting it up so we'll.
@@BimYGO yeah that's to be expected. Have you thought about incorporating your community to play against so you can set up scenario based plays to portray the deck playing through certain scenarios and choke points? Organic is always better, but, I'd argue that as we learn the deck as a community it'd be useful to see those plays as we develop.
if you are gonna play link package i feel like dharc can be used, that way you can climb to selene and access without losing another body and get at least 2 destructions from access. phoenix and unicorn are cool but you will lose 1 body in the process of climbing. Lyna is an option but again a light so doesn't help much on that link climb result either
17:23 there's a dude at my locals who plays Dinomorphia and does that Z-ARC combo with Daruma Karma Cannon so that the field wipe resolves. I guess you unintentionally played into it with Silvera lol
Whelp i got spoiled for that but it's on me... Another funny interaction is negating your own Zarc then as soon as the opponent searches activate Trickstar Reincarnation and have Zarc's pendulum effect handloop the opponent.
Knightmare phoenix is goated, the other links i dont like but i dont know what to suggest(a lie i got some ideas while writing) , maybe an ip and a second sp? A cross ship can make sense so you dont have to play rabbit and its a usuful link to extend as you have fusions. Maybe even switch to a larger syncro package. If you really like climbing into access lyna is pretty good as Lights will be pretty poplar i suppose or dharc, charmers i feel can be really good as they are spellcasters for Selene and can revive a diabelstar while climbing About the zarc trap, i got hit by this combo xd, the zarc on summon destroys all cards of the opponent but its negated unless you play the actual pendulum stuff, BUT if you book him (usually in trap decks it will be done with daruma) on resolution the effect resolves and it wipes the whole field and then you flip him and its not easy to deal with zarc tbh
dharc and lyna are the charmer options cuz of the deck attributes. dharc can take their az silvia after it used its negate, but fitting in 2 more cards is harder than just 1. cross sheep is an interesting idea so i might test that, but i dont like that it requires you to have a fusion live for it to get value
it works if you only care about being able to summon a single monster, but the resource loop is better if you cycle through 2 in the combo. it might be that you play a deck or a line that needs the omninegate immediately and so you ddont care about the resource loop as much, but 2 is definitely better
If you play azamina without fiendsmith super poly can be very good. Its nice going first into most decks and when going second you can fuse sth. like elzette + enemies azamina omni into your one azamina omni.
Personally I would just cut the unicorn and phoenix for a charmer + I:P, any situation whenre you're making S:P going first you can just go I:P and have the S:P banish as an interupt
hmm charmer could be useful- would be dharc or lyna for sure. not sure if im sold on masq tho; its not part of the accesscode climb and going first i think id value rabbit over masq every time, esp if i can make sp under rabbit (but then unlikely to have an extra body to make masq+sp - and making sp with masq and rabbit isnt efficient)
going first you use the bodies for linking. going 2nd i do think it is an option. it is potentially a counter to spooky dogwood if people continue to play that. perhaps i would cut unicorn for it, but you should keep in either selene or unicorn for sure for the access line, and then selene is probably better
@@alainvandamme972 i havent found space for the kash engine, though it might be doable on breakers. the access line comes up once you draw azamine cards cuz then selene has spell fuel for the link climb. i definitely think access is good
i dont like it because it requires a bit too much set up for the 'when' effect. that said, the trap might make it worth it if everyone else is on azamina because the opponent's cards can also trigger regina
I feel like this variant is very discard hungry, it's like we're trying to force a synergy where there's none (or very little), specially when trying out the Millennium fiendsmith one which just forces so much with a single card
i think the millennium cards are generally quite strong, but something like an ogre trades one for one unless youve drawn both golem and sengenjin. if you get to the point where you make closed heaven and requiem then you check for ash and nib because if they dont have nib they will ash req to not lose to high king. if they have nib but not ash they might hold ash and nib on necroquip engraver. if they have both ash and nib its possible they still ash requiem, in which case its probably the hardest to play around this engine does discard a lot, but it is not neg; meaning you always get back the cards you discard - through reset from grave or wanted draw or witch search. the main advantage isnt syngergy, its just that the cards are better than most other cards you could play. there are also other advantages in 'checking for' hand traps before committing to your other engines, which is a lot harder and high rolly in pure WF
@@BimYGO However WF is a deck that thrives on having very specific combinations of cards, Deception's discard and then Witch's discard as well that's already 2 unknowns that might've been crutial combo pieces. Getting Ogred on Deception is super hard since they trade 1 for 2. Id very much just combo off with a single card with the Millennium engine and check for handtraps that way. It just seems that the Azamina variant still loses to the same things and even adds more weaknesses with the discards for cost
@@MrWelsz i dont think youtube comments is the best place for a proper discussion on this, but if you follow roadoftheking youll see that white forest has extremely low representation overall, so we dont have any substantial ROTA data on which WF variants perform better than others post ROTA in the tcg its quite clear that pre rota wf is almost only successful as a runick variant i dont agree with your breakdown of the card economy on azamina in wf since the wanted engine works with toys the same way wf does, and the millennium cards in my opinion make FS MANDATORY in white forest (this particular video is because people requested azamina wf without fs) in fact, there is nothing better you can possibly make with millennium besides closed heaven, and if you get ashed on that you are at 4k lp with 4 cards in hand hoping to still be able to play throughh a 2nd or 3rd hand trap. if you instead opt for rabbit, e.g. going 1st, you make wf play into nib much harder when it normally doesnt play into nib that hard to beginwith i agree with you on deception being hit is bad though , and this will definitely matter if people are playing both ash and ogre if i had to bet, id say that runick will still be the best version next format, or wf toy with a very large fiendsmith package, though that does play into droll badly
based on the deck attributes the charmer has to be either lyna or dharc, and those work well with selene too. i think i would cut unicorn for it. but if everyone is on azamina post rota then dharc could take their az silvia and you can use the omni yourself. i feel like playing both lyna and dharc would really squeeze the ed space so im not sure what id cut for that
yeah, but then you forgot to give me a shout out. You don’t even like my comments and I’ve been pretty consistent too lol-but once a good good job on your content great video probably gonna run this this weekend at the pre-release tournament
its not very good card economy, but it is a very good card, and its not wrong to play it. depends on the kind of board youre going for and if you have to use your bodies all for rabbit or whatevre your main link is
yes - but then you have to be very careful with your resource management because WF wont have synergy with the sends besides their own tales/woes, which they usually search and dont draw the advantage would be more non engine space or potentially adding in a different engine
i think deception can be played at any count, thought maybe better at 1 in a powerspell build where you are lessl likely to have usable fodder for it. you could for example replace 2 deception with fuwalos, add a 3rd fuwalos and play at 42 total count. but dont go above 42
the version with FS plays around nib much better because you make silvia on summon 4 and then go directly into high king (or desirae) before committing any WF resources. the way you play around nib when youre not doing those things is the way you sequence your plays. for example, if youre just making gallant granite on summon 7 and the other stuff youve made before then was just climbing into rciela or diabell, most people will just hold nib because there is no negation threat. if youve (for example) searched nib and veiler with granite and rciela and then you make a little knight - not only should you have woes,nib,veiler at a bare minimum, but you can also just SP dodge the nib if they nib you earlier because they see that you are resource laddering, you will struggle more the purer the deck is, whereas having other engines usually gives you more extension
There is no Point to this, the engines dont bridge into each other in any way and dont synergize in any meaningful or consistent form, and Snake eyes is literally a cheaper Version of this and stronger since the engines actually bridge.
They do not need to bridge, diabellstar, wanted and deception are starters to azamina plays, while astellar and elzette are starters for white forest, so most hands you will be able to play both lines, if one gets stopped you have the other available
@@msrodrigues2000 of course they need to bridge? at that point playing azamina in this deck is stupid, it costs more than snake eyes, is less consistent, needs more resources and is weaker
@@silpheed4346 if this is your first time seeing one of my videos you might not know this, but 99% of my videos are on WF, and that is the reason. to actually respond to your point: if you want to play the best deck then you should play the best deck. i think that's self evident and its not why i make videos
@@BimYGO no i actually am subscribed to you and watched a lot, I just believe azamina isnt good in this deck, the new centurion support is more useful, im just saxing that these two don Synergize well enough to warrant being the most expensive Deck in the format
@@BimYGO Also I dont play Snake eyes myself, my Point was mainly if you try playing other decks besides meta as actual contenders for events, you need to have a reason to, and making this deck worse snake eyes isnt the way for example. With centurion for example your endboard is almost completely unbreakable compared to other decks. With Runicks you can conpletely counter some strategies etc. Adding azamina is the same as just playing and Adventurer engine if all you want is an omni. Maybe if we get a sinful spoil that works eith WF then its great, currently its not worth all the space it takes imo. i wasnt saying your Video was bad, I watch all of them, i just think there are better variants
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“I don’t know what this does, Im gonna bring Silvera because Im confused and book the field” 😂😂 very relatable
Exactly what I do 😂
Thanks for the shout out, there was no need I learned a lot through your videos!!!! What annoys me a lot is that WF haven't got an OSS of their own to tie them with Diabelstar, it's literally the missing piece in Sinful/Azamina to WF.
About the deck, I love Ogre this format because it is either a handtrap or a boardbreaker on demand. 2 has been my sweet spot but due to its versatility I wouldn't mind 3. Knightmare Phoenix is surprisingly good at dealing with Pain and followup in general (even a set Deception) when you can't close game and the easy climb to Selene makes it even better. My immediate placeholder for that spot was IP while I also played 1 Artemis to have SP's full effect more easily accessible (I found Azamina Erys a bit win more by assuming I won't get to that point when attempting to break a board)
About Dinomorphia the trap set was dead until your own Main Phase so I wonder if you could win on their turn by abusing Deception's LP effect. They banished the trap used by Arias to fusion summon that had a anti-burn effect, so due to them not running any handtrap (you can identify this through delays here as well) you could use Deception early for Sacred, recover Wanted, use Wanted for Azamina and on removal burn.
Then their fusion trap becomes useless because the anti-burn effect activates (and Silvera will negate it) while it sends monsters to the gy so they essentially are out of plays. If you placed monsters in DEF you could also bait with Toy Box secret effect, I can't tell you how many times this has saved me.
About Fiendsmith Tear, I like it way more than the randomness of Horus and I believe they definitely played Grapha there since King of the Swamp has triple duty (Engraver for Desirae, Kit for Rulk, and Grapha).
Zarc cooked you because of being a mandatory effect going before you, exactly the opposite of what you did with the rabbit trap on reino. The secret power of rogue decks; ygo players never reading them properly :)
The new Blue Eyes is extremely good for Millennium. Searching Ankh early is very important to keep you LP up so that Exodia is more threatening but the deck is very weak to monster effects (they have no negation). Blue-eyes can bait Phantom, send a yubel without triggering it, hit synchros, force Flamberge out so that the boardwipe truly clears the board it has a lot of utility as a bonus to a searcher.
Dogwood is not just used defensively but offensively as well making Exodia having even higher ATK to the point the entire gameplan is to survive (thanks to dogwood) then bait everything before a single attack ends the game. If the deck had something like "Mount of the Bount Creator" making Exodia more sticky it would be tier 2.
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" WF haven't got an OSS of their own to tie them with Diabelstar" this.... it's the same freaking lore with 0 synergy cards.... how konami.... how... and the inevitable limitations on wanted (no chance it won't get limited soon) and maybe even diabellstar (happened in OCG already tho they always do consistency hits instead of straight bans) completely ends the decks it feels like...
the simpliest thing that could have happened was deception to say "tribute 1 WHITE FOREST monster to add a white forest or azamina card" and everything would have been fixed just like that... then if they wanted to kill snake eyes they could simply ban OSS with no hits to wanted package that will also kill azamina-WF decks.. but nah, it HAD to be made a full generic card for another full generic engine to be splashed into everything...
@@CrisRullz I have to disagree. If you look at "Tales of the White Forest" it's as if it was designed for Diabelstar to make it live, especially the effect. So this could have been "Sinful Spoils of the White Forest" in the exact same fashion as OSS, with banning either allowing the sinful spoils lore to continue getting support but excluding any problematic archetype (if for example WF became as oppressive as snakes)
That way Diabel would search it, making both Wanted and Deception starters, it would work with Azamina and the White forest deck would focus on other criminally underutilized Sinful cards like the Silvera trap.
@@babrad tales definitely was meant to be like that with diabellstar or diabellze, but still wouldn't be any bridge or connection between the azamina and the WF cards. Mu rcielago for example now searches both sinful spoils and azamina cards, OSS straight up summons the lvl1s, there is nothing like that between azamina and WF and deception could have easily been this connection just by saying tribute white forest mon instead of completely generic and splashable in any random deck to get an omni within 5 summons
Thanks for the awesome deck profile and explanations. Very helpful, sensei!
Hi bro, thanks for this videos, really appreciate them. I am currently trying Scourge of the White Forest, it's a cool card to keep an eye on
Thanks bro for the vids
What is more important playset diabbel or diception?
deception, but if you dont play the wanted engine you wont see deception nearly as often cuz youll have to hard draw it
I requested this like 3 times so thank you for making this video
The Zarc trap is pretty much meant to summon Brave eyes Pendulum dragon which essentially becomes a Floodgate for Monsters with 0 atk.
It also summons a s/t negate
What would you take out for a fiendsmith core? Do you think hand traps will be better ROTA format than board breakers? Thanks for the top tier yugitube content! That Mellinium game was great!
the bare minimum FS engine is one engraver in main and that's it - then closed heaven, requiem, necroquip, w high king in the ED. with a larger fsmith engine i think you might be forced into breakers because of space
not sure on hand traps vs breakers in rota because we havent seen the meta representation yet
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You mean you and your dogs will be sharing canned food for the next 5 months?
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i dont know if it was answered, but
if something gets booked it "forgets" that it was negated
so like soldier effect to add toybox, effect veiler, book of moon, effect veiler
it DOES get negated, flipped down, "forgets", for the first used veiler "its a different monster?" so neither effect veiler happens and you get the search 🐔👍
I feel like playing against rogue decks is very good to see how the deck sequences, are you able to ramp it up a notch and show gameplay playing into Fiendsmith Azamina Snakes or Fiendsmith Yubel? I feel we would learn more from that as the next step as you're setting it up so we'll.
on omega there will be much more meta and better quality gameplay once rota is legal in ranked, and i will upload then
@@BimYGO yeah that's to be expected. Have you thought about incorporating your community to play against so you can set up scenario based plays to portray the deck playing through certain scenarios and choke points? Organic is always better, but, I'd argue that as we learn the deck as a community it'd be useful to see those plays as we develop.
@@alexandercole4336 id like to do a tournament but dont have time to organize it yet
if you are gonna play link package i feel like dharc can be used, that way you can climb to selene and access without losing another body and get at least 2 destructions from access. phoenix and unicorn are cool but you will lose 1 body in the process of climbing. Lyna is an option but again a light so doesn't help much on that link climb result either
Here we are!!
did z-arc effect go through because it was booked lmao?😂
Yes
Yup trigger effects can resolve in situations like this because the card isn't 'negated' while it's fd
17:23 there's a dude at my locals who plays Dinomorphia and does that Z-ARC combo with Daruma Karma Cannon so that the field wipe resolves. I guess you unintentionally played into it with Silvera lol
Whelp i got spoiled for that but it's on me... Another funny interaction is negating your own Zarc then as soon as the opponent searches activate Trickstar Reincarnation and have Zarc's pendulum effect handloop the opponent.
Dogwood: 1. Offset the LP loss due to costs. 2. Help Boost Exodia Fusion Atk. 3. End of Match Time rules
So you think this deck (without Fiendsmith) not worth on a competitive level?
Why isnt there a Single azamina white forest runick deck WITHOUT diabellstar engine?
Knightmare phoenix is goated, the other links i dont like but i dont know what to suggest(a lie i got some ideas while writing) , maybe an ip and a second sp? A cross ship can make sense so you dont have to play rabbit and its a usuful link to extend as you have fusions. Maybe even switch to a larger syncro package. If you really like climbing into access lyna is pretty good as Lights will be pretty poplar i suppose or dharc, charmers i feel can be really good as they are spellcasters for Selene and can revive a diabelstar while climbing
About the zarc trap, i got hit by this combo xd, the zarc on summon destroys all cards of the opponent but its negated unless you play the actual pendulum stuff, BUT if you book him (usually in trap decks it will be done with daruma) on resolution the effect resolves and it wipes the whole field and then you flip him and its not easy to deal with zarc tbh
Yeah i paused 5 seconds before zarc actually wiped the field to comment lmao
dharc and lyna are the charmer options cuz of the deck attributes. dharc can take their az silvia after it used its negate, but fitting in 2 more cards is harder than just 1. cross sheep is an interesting idea so i might test that, but i dont like that it requires you to have a fusion live for it to get value
Can the azamina engine work with 1 deception? 3x black and 3x wanted seem like enough tbh.
it works if you only care about being able to summon a single monster, but the resource loop is better if you cycle through 2 in the combo. it might be that you play a deck or a line that needs the omninegate immediately and so you ddont care about the resource loop as much, but 2 is definitely better
@@BimYGO for sure thanks for the explanation, keep up the great content 👌👌👌
If you play azamina without fiendsmith super poly can be very good. Its nice going first into most decks and when going second you can fuse sth. like elzette + enemies azamina omni into your one azamina omni.
i would like to test it in a breaker version but its hard to settle on breakers before the format settles a bit after rota release
Personally I would just cut the unicorn and phoenix for a charmer + I:P, any situation whenre you're making S:P going first you can just go I:P and have the S:P banish as an interupt
hmm charmer could be useful- would be dharc or lyna for sure. not sure if im sold on masq tho; its not part of the accesscode climb and going first i think id value rabbit over masq every time, esp if i can make sp under rabbit (but then unlikely to have an extra body to make masq+sp - and making sp with masq and rabbit isnt efficient)
Is psychic end punisher not good for diabel?
Chaos angel is close enough and more versatile + easier to make since it doesn’t require a tuner
going first you use the bodies for linking. going 2nd i do think it is an option. it is potentially a counter to spooky dogwood if people continue to play that. perhaps i would cut unicorn for it, but you should keep in either selene or unicorn for sure for the access line, and then selene is probably better
@@marvisgraves1192that is true! I was thinking more for the 7+ 4 synchro
@@BimYGOdid the access line came up a lot? The synchro 6 is almost otk right with diabel is gg? Have you also tried it with a small kash engine?
@@alainvandamme972 i havent found space for the kash engine, though it might be doable on breakers. the access line comes up once you draw azamine cards cuz then selene has spell fuel for the link climb. i definitely think access is good
u have cardcluster link?
Moa regina is better at cleaning the board since it can send 2 cards to the GY, you can get it easier on the field using the azamina trap
i dont like it because it requires a bit too much set up for the 'when' effect. that said, the trap might make it worth it if everyone else is on azamina because the opponent's cards can also trigger regina
I feel like this variant is very discard hungry, it's like we're trying to force a synergy where there's none (or very little), specially when trying out the Millennium fiendsmith one which just forces so much with a single card
i think the millennium cards are generally quite strong, but something like an ogre trades one for one unless youve drawn both golem and sengenjin. if you get to the point where you make closed heaven and requiem then you check for ash and nib because if they dont have nib they will ash req to not lose to high king. if they have nib but not ash they might hold ash and nib on necroquip engraver. if they have both ash and nib its possible they still ash requiem, in which case its probably the hardest to play around
this engine does discard a lot, but it is not neg; meaning you always get back the cards you discard - through reset from grave or wanted draw or witch search.
the main advantage isnt syngergy, its just that the cards are better than most other cards you could play. there are also other advantages in 'checking for' hand traps before committing to your other engines, which is a lot harder and high rolly in pure WF
@@BimYGO However WF is a deck that thrives on having very specific combinations of cards, Deception's discard and then Witch's discard as well that's already 2 unknowns that might've been crutial combo pieces. Getting Ogred on Deception is super hard since they trade 1 for 2. Id very much just combo off with a single card with the Millennium engine and check for handtraps that way.
It just seems that the Azamina variant still loses to the same things and even adds more weaknesses with the discards for cost
@@MrWelsz i dont think youtube comments is the best place for a proper discussion on this, but if you follow roadoftheking youll see that white forest has extremely low representation overall, so we dont have any substantial ROTA data on which WF variants perform better than others post ROTA
in the tcg its quite clear that pre rota wf is almost only successful as a runick variant
i dont agree with your breakdown of the card economy on azamina in wf since the wanted engine works with toys the same way wf does, and the millennium cards in my opinion make FS MANDATORY in white forest (this particular video is because people requested azamina wf without fs)
in fact, there is nothing better you can possibly make with millennium besides closed heaven, and if you get ashed on that you are at 4k lp with 4 cards in hand hoping to still be able to play throughh a 2nd or 3rd hand trap. if you instead opt for rabbit, e.g. going 1st, you make wf play into nib much harder when it normally doesnt play into nib that hard to beginwith
i agree with you on deception being hit is bad though , and this will definitely matter if people are playing both ash and ogre
if i had to bet, id say that runick will still be the best version next format, or wf toy with a very large fiendsmith package, though that does play into droll badly
@@BimYGO that actually makes sense ! Thanks for the insight and engaging in the discussion !
Should definitely be Lyna in that link package so you can take FS from gy to help cut off follow up
based on the deck attributes the charmer has to be either lyna or dharc, and those work well with selene too. i think i would cut unicorn for it. but if everyone is on azamina post rota then dharc could take their az silvia and you can use the omni yourself. i feel like playing both lyna and dharc would really squeeze the ed space so im not sure what id cut for that
yeah, but then you forgot to give me a shout out. You don’t even like my comments and I’ve been pretty consistent too lol-but once a good good job on your content great video probably gonna run this this weekend at the pre-release tournament
Sees the giant Oblisk monster with "?" Attack. Naw i dont need to read it😂. Lol
is there any reason to not playing I:P ?
its not very good card economy, but it is a very good card, and its not wrong to play it. depends on the kind of board youre going for and if you have to use your bodies all for rabbit or whatevre your main link is
Is it possible to play the deck without the toy package?
yes - but then you have to be very careful with your resource management because WF wont have synergy with the sends besides their own tales/woes, which they usually search and dont draw
the advantage would be more non engine space or potentially adding in a different engine
My more wallet is going to hurt this month😂😂😂
Where does Fuwalos fit in this list? @bimYGO
i think deception can be played at any count, thought maybe better at 1 in a powerspell build where you are lessl likely to have usable fodder for it. you could for example replace 2 deception with fuwalos, add a 3rd fuwalos and play at 42 total count. but dont go above 42
This deck is still playing into nib hard, WF does too much & takes too long to set at least one omni negate.
the version with FS plays around nib much better because you make silvia on summon 4 and then go directly into high king (or desirae) before committing any WF resources. the way you play around nib when youre not doing those things is the way you sequence your plays. for example, if youre just making gallant granite on summon 7 and the other stuff youve made before then was just climbing into rciela or diabell, most people will just hold nib because there is no negation threat. if youve (for example) searched nib and veiler with granite and rciela and then you make a little knight - not only should you have woes,nib,veiler at a bare minimum, but you can also just SP dodge the nib
if they nib you earlier because they see that you are resource laddering, you will struggle more the purer the deck is, whereas having other engines usually gives you more extension
There is no Point to this, the engines dont bridge into each other in any way and dont synergize in any meaningful or consistent form, and Snake eyes is literally a cheaper Version of this and stronger since the engines actually bridge.
They do not need to bridge, diabellstar, wanted and deception are starters to azamina plays, while astellar and elzette are starters for white forest, so most hands you will be able to play both lines, if one gets stopped you have the other available
@@msrodrigues2000 of course they need to bridge? at that point playing azamina in this deck is stupid, it costs more than snake eyes, is less consistent, needs more resources and is weaker
@@silpheed4346 if this is your first time seeing one of my videos you might not know this, but 99% of my videos are on WF, and that is the reason. to actually respond to your point: if you want to play the best deck then you should play the best deck. i think that's self evident and its not why i make videos
@@BimYGO no i actually am subscribed to you and watched a lot, I just believe azamina isnt good in this deck, the new centurion support is more useful, im just saxing that these two don Synergize well enough to warrant being the most expensive Deck in the format
@@BimYGO Also I dont play Snake eyes myself, my Point was mainly if you try playing other decks besides meta as actual contenders for events, you need to have a reason to, and making this deck worse snake eyes isnt the way for example. With centurion for example your endboard is almost completely unbreakable compared to other decks. With Runicks you can conpletely counter some strategies etc. Adding azamina is the same as just playing and Adventurer engine if all you want is an omni. Maybe if we get a sinful spoil that works eith WF then its great, currently its not worth all the space it takes imo. i wasnt saying your Video was bad, I watch all of them, i just think there are better variants