Hi, can't wait the VMM install. I already went to that way and works very nicely under 2vCPU ;2GB RAM and 30GB storage, but unfortunately I'm very lame at SSH commands and VMM , so now I 'm scratching my head how to put pictures to www folder and create files in the VMM. If you can share a link about this and/or you can show this on your next video that would be awesome. Keep up the great work !
I'll cover that in video - there are couple of options. You can use samba share to map for ex. config folder from VM and allow access from remote machine. Second option is to use ssh addon with terminal from your PC. And third one is to use VMM to map one local host folder to your new VM and use that to copy files. Maybe there are more but can't remember now.
Awesome videos. I am working to get onto 'your level' but it looks like I am far behind. Can you point me to the right place if I am starting from the beginning? I am looking to install Home Assistant Supervised (Hass.io) on a Synology NAS through Docker if possible. I am a novice with Putty but have been learning this as well. I've been able to install and run the standard/stable version of Home Assistant from Docker without any issues but would like to upgrade to the Supervised version. Thanks and again, awesome video.
Thank you for your comment!! Unfortunately I don't know single place that holds everything. It's web surfing through tons on content. In regard to Supervised version - the only way to get it working on Synology (as supported setup and not hack) is to use Virtual Machine Manager on Synology. But not all Synology devices support that. In other words, it's impossible to get it running just in Docker.
@@BeardedTinker Thanks for the information. I will look into VMM to see what I can do. I am currently operating a DS918+ at this point. Attempting to lay the foundation for a decent Smart Home setup based primarily on Google. Therefore I will have to run Nest Integration at a later point.
@@WhiskeyBravo85 918+ is great box - you should also be able to add RAM (even more then officially supported, but be careful with this). VMM should run just fine on it and I would recommend it sincerely for HA.
Hey Bearded dude - long time viewer, first time commenter here. Are your statements about HA-Supervisor below still true - that the only way to get this working on a Synology is if you have the VMM option? Any hacks? Going to purchase a RPI if that is still the case. Keep on your excellent content - and love the fact you help newbies out in the comments, you rock.
Thank you Chris - really much appriciated! Yes, it is the only official/supported method. There are some really not recommended ways to try and get it, but you are out of luck if anything breaks or changes in future.
is it possible to install the file editor that is available in the supervisor addons? I cant see that being a separate docker image. Or is it ok to use the synology file editor from file station?
It will work just great with File station/text editor in Synology, but it is missing some options. Docker image for file editor from HA is in this repository and you can install it via docker. github.com/danielperna84/hass-configurator Link to old video I made on this is here th-cam.com/video/8opUjewL9rA/w-d-xo.html
Hi. I'm a bit lost. I came here from a previous video from you. I have installed and configured HA from Docker image "homeassistant/home-asssitant:latest" all working good bu I don't have Supervisor acces on lateral menu. How can I get It? What video sould I see? Thanks in advance for your help.
Thanks for the comment Clarence! OK - so there are two ways to get official supported Home Assistant on Synology - HA Core, that's the one running in Docker. And this version doesn't have Supervisor version. All has to be later installed by hand in Docker (same as you did with HA Core). Other option is to run Synology VMM and use official VM from Home Assistant. This will create virtual machine on Synology and you'll then have Supervisor. But your Synology has to support Virtual Machine Manager to be able to run it. You can check this video th-cam.com/video/MSDoCXrlr_Q/w-d-xo.html
@@BeardedTinker thanks for your answer. Do you have a tutorial on how to install it by hand on Docker? It's just like an add on or a full new installation and config?
@@clarenceg.7789 Supervisor? You can't - it's only available in VM - there is no way to install Supervisor in Docker by hand. You can install "add-ons" by hand in Docker - by installing each image individually.
So I just started a new Home Assistant install after not liking how it ran on a Raspberry Pi. I set up HA on Docker in Synology as a new install and I'm wondering how I get add on's installed (either manually or with some version of HACS). I watched your video about manually installing HACS in docker under custom components but it did not work. Being that this video is much newer than that I'm guessing that is an old method that no longer works. With all this being said, how do install apps into Home assistant?
Hi Trevor! Just to first clear one thing - with Docker install, you can't install add-ons (mqtt, VSCode, zigbee2mqtt,...) from within Home Assistant. You can still use them or install them, it's just that procedure is almost the same as with installation of Home Assistant - installing it from terminal. HACS can allow you to install some community integrations and it can be easily installed with new procedure - once again, you need to use terminal. I don't have new video on how to install it (yet). You need to login to terminal and change to folder where your configuration files for home assistant are. (for ex. /volume1/docker/homeassistant) There just follow the steps to install it from HACS documentation.
@@BeardedTinker okay that makes sense, and I figured it would be that way. You say from terminal, in docker for synology as far as I know there isn’t a terminal per se. So what is the exact procedure you are talking about when you say terminal? Or is it the terminal within home assistant? If it is, is that a integration? Cause I also don’t have a terminal in home assistant on my HA docker install, not that I have found at least
@@BeardedTinker ahh okay, not exactly sure how to do it but going to try and stumble through it and work it out. How do you know if you have SSH enabled on the HA docker container?
Thank you for the video, but for me this is way to much manual work. Using it like this tends to become more like a hobby consuming a lot of time and this is nothing after working 9 or 10 hours and also taking care of a household. I mean, setting it up as a one time event is fine, but then always keeping an eye on updates and manually putting everything together is too much. The VM way is set up with just a couple of clicks and provides the environment I'm used to (coming from Fredrike's hass.io). So if VMs are working for smaller Synologys, the RPi4 (or similar mini PC) would be the device to use - IMHO. What still annoys me is the constantly running HDD. It would be nice to have the option to keep everything in memory and only flush values each hour to make them persistent in e.g. an Influx DB. Do you think this could be done somehow?
Sure, VM is much more simpler. If your device supports it and you are aware of differences, it's very easy to setup and work with it. Not one-click install, but can be done really easy. But a lot of people are using old Synology devices 5-7 or more years old and for them it's not an option. Even new ones that are officially not allowing VMM installation. But I can also bet you that I can get up HA Core and all the addons + import old configuration in same time or maybe even faster then it would take you to install VMM and create VM + import config ;) When you setup HA Core and other containers, you don't need special maintenance and updates can be as automatic as with Supervisor - at least that's what I had. When you set it up once, you don't need to do anything for update, or even type a single command to run latest version. Same as with Supervisor installation and using auto-update in addons. As for HDD's - why is this problem? I have WD RED disks that are 7+ years old and still running great, not getting hotter and not a single bed sector. Power usage is different story,... You could do that, but not with this HW - I had couple of projects like that that used memory banks specially made for this, but the cost was of a small used car.
@@BeardedTinker Yes, but if you always auto update to the newest version, would you like to run it like that? One big advantage of the supervisor is that I could double check, whether I would like to do the update or not. I get informed and I can decide. I mean, I'm normally to curious concerning what has changed, so most often I press the update button, but I guess it makes more sense to wait a couple of hours before doing the step. Just in case the update is screwing up the system and if you have your scripting set to get the newest versions, you might miss a hint in the change log telling you, that this step might be unhealthy. Concerning the HDD topic: I also have WD Reds and the problem is, I can hear those drives working. My Seagates are far more quite and you only hear them spinning up. Once they are running, they are totally quite. But the WDs are always noisy and this is less comfortable. I could position the Synology somewhere else, but currently it is placed in my living room and the constant noise is getting on my nerves. That's why I thought, maybe the RPi4 way would be nicer. Having everything set up without a mechanical drive would be pretty quite and yes, also the energy consumption would be less. Then I thought about what is actually written to the HDD all the time and is this needed? There are a couple of log/status files and of course, sensor and automation values. But having like 4GB of free RAM, it should be possible to keep all of this in the memory and only wake up the HDD a couple of times per day to actually store those values. Yes, there is a bigger chance to lose data, but I guess it would be fine for me to lose the temperature in my bathroom every now and then. Just wondering, whether this could be done. Have a nice Sunday, Tim
Hey i have watched some videos from you and you were helping me a lot i will follow you know :) Greetings from germany. One Question i dont know if you have made a video for that but can you show/tell me how i get statistics from my utility meter daily_energy example on feb 5 my photovoltaik produced 1,2kwh or similar. is that possible maybe in a table ?
Thank you for your comment and sorry for a late replay. It's not that easy out of box, but you can create what I did - each nigh at 23:59 I save in csv file statistics of the energy (usage) for that day. This allows me to import it later in Excel (for ex) and analyse. I use this to trigger save: github.com/BeardedTinker/Home-Assistant_Config/blob/master/automations/utilities/sunrise_sunset_tracking.yaml And this is platform integration that is used to create file: github.com/BeardedTinker/Home-Assistant_Config/blob/master/entities/notify/daily_energy_log.yaml
Hi Andrew! I'm not using OpenZ-Wave so can't be 100% sure, but it should be similar to Zigbee2MQTT - configuration files are if I'm not mistaken inside /docker/hass.io/addons/data/core_zwave/ozw/config folder. I presume that you have to copy all of them to new location, where you created folder for OpenYWave in Docker - for ex /volume1/docker/ozw COmmand to create is following: docker run -it --security-opt seccomp=unconfined --device=/dev/ttyUSB0 -v /volume1/docker/ozw:/opt/ozw/config -e MQTT_SERVER="10.100.200.102" -e USB_PATH=/dev/ttyUSB0 openzwave/ozwdaemon:latest
@@BeardedTinker Thank you for your quick reply. While I really appreciate your videos and they are what inspired my move to HA from Homeseer, I cant help but wonder if I should switch to running the supervised version on a Pi. Do you know if that can be done and then restore everything with a snapshot? Or am I too far down the rabbit hole.
@@andrewm5269 it shuold work. You just load image in Pi, start it and during install load snapshot. I did just few hours ago similar thing, loading hass.io snapshot in Synology VMM with official HA image.
Hi, can't wait the VMM install. I already went to that way and works very nicely under 2vCPU ;2GB RAM and 30GB storage, but unfortunately I'm very lame at SSH commands and VMM , so now I 'm scratching my head how to put pictures to www folder and create files in the VMM. If you can share a link about this and/or you can show this on your next video that would be awesome. Keep up the great work !
Agree, I do have the DS218+ with 10Gbyte of RAM. Would love to see the VMM install :-)
I'll cover that in video - there are couple of options. You can use samba share to map for ex. config folder from VM and allow access from remote machine. Second option is to use ssh addon with terminal from your PC. And third one is to use VMM to map one local host folder to your new VM and use that to copy files. Maybe there are more but can't remember now.
Here is a great explanation on how to do it with samba: th-cam.com/video/MSDoCXrlr_Q/w-d-xo.html
Awesome videos. I am working to get onto 'your level' but it looks like I am far behind. Can you point me to the right place if I am starting from the beginning? I am looking to install Home Assistant Supervised (Hass.io) on a Synology NAS through Docker if possible. I am a novice with Putty but have been learning this as well.
I've been able to install and run the standard/stable version of Home Assistant from Docker without any issues but would like to upgrade to the Supervised version. Thanks and again, awesome video.
Thank you for your comment!! Unfortunately I don't know single place that holds everything. It's web surfing through tons on content.
In regard to Supervised version - the only way to get it working on Synology (as supported setup and not hack) is to use Virtual Machine Manager on Synology. But not all Synology devices support that.
In other words, it's impossible to get it running just in Docker.
@@BeardedTinker Thanks for the information. I will look into VMM to see what I can do. I am currently operating a DS918+ at this point. Attempting to lay the foundation for a decent Smart Home setup based primarily on Google. Therefore I will have to run Nest Integration at a later point.
@@WhiskeyBravo85 918+ is great box - you should also be able to add RAM (even more then officially supported, but be careful with this). VMM should run just fine on it and I would recommend it sincerely for HA.
Hey Bearded dude - long time viewer, first time commenter here. Are your statements about HA-Supervisor below still true - that the only way to get this working on a Synology is if you have the VMM option? Any hacks? Going to purchase a RPI if that is still the case. Keep on your excellent content - and love the fact you help newbies out in the comments, you rock.
Thank you Chris - really much appriciated!
Yes, it is the only official/supported method. There are some really not recommended ways to try and get it, but you are out of luck if anything breaks or changes in future.
is it possible to install the file editor that is available in the supervisor addons? I cant see that being a separate docker image. Or is it ok to use the synology file editor from file station?
It will work just great with File station/text editor in Synology, but it is missing some options.
Docker image for file editor from HA is in this repository and you can install it via docker. github.com/danielperna84/hass-configurator
Link to old video I made on this is here th-cam.com/video/8opUjewL9rA/w-d-xo.html
@@BeardedTinker Many thanks, worked like a charm, even reminded me to add my Node-Red instance to the links too.
@@RocketIIIman glad you got it working!!!!
Hi. I'm a bit lost. I came here from a previous video from you. I have installed and configured HA from Docker image "homeassistant/home-asssitant:latest" all working good bu I don't have Supervisor acces on lateral menu. How can I get It? What video sould I see? Thanks in advance for your help.
Thanks for the comment Clarence!
OK - so there are two ways to get official supported Home Assistant on Synology - HA Core, that's the one running in Docker. And this version doesn't have Supervisor version. All has to be later installed by hand in Docker (same as you did with HA Core).
Other option is to run Synology VMM and use official VM from Home Assistant. This will create virtual machine on Synology and you'll then have Supervisor. But your Synology has to support Virtual Machine Manager to be able to run it.
You can check this video th-cam.com/video/MSDoCXrlr_Q/w-d-xo.html
@@BeardedTinker thanks for your answer. Do you have a tutorial on how to install it by hand on Docker? It's just like an add on or a full new installation and config?
@@clarenceg.7789 Supervisor? You can't - it's only available in VM - there is no way to install Supervisor in Docker by hand. You can install "add-ons" by hand in Docker - by installing each image individually.
So I just started a new Home Assistant install after not liking how it ran on a Raspberry Pi. I set up HA on Docker in Synology as a new install and I'm wondering how I get add on's installed (either manually or with some version of HACS). I watched your video about manually installing HACS in docker under custom components but it did not work. Being that this video is much newer than that I'm guessing that is an old method that no longer works. With all this being said, how do install apps into Home assistant?
Hi Trevor! Just to first clear one thing - with Docker install, you can't install add-ons (mqtt, VSCode, zigbee2mqtt,...) from within Home Assistant. You can still use them or install them, it's just that procedure is almost the same as with installation of Home Assistant - installing it from terminal.
HACS can allow you to install some community integrations and it can be easily installed with new procedure - once again, you need to use terminal.
I don't have new video on how to install it (yet).
You need to login to terminal and change to folder where your configuration files for home assistant are. (for ex. /volume1/docker/homeassistant) There just follow the steps to install it from HACS documentation.
@@BeardedTinker okay that makes sense, and I figured it would be that way. You say from terminal, in docker for synology as far as I know there isn’t a terminal per se. So what is the exact procedure you are talking about when you say terminal? Or is it the terminal within home assistant? If it is, is that a integration? Cause I also don’t have a terminal in home assistant on my HA docker install, not that I have found at least
@@BeardedTinker okay so I actually found terminal in the docker GUI, now to figure out what commands I need to actually install🙈
@@tritz412 terminal as in ssh connection to the ip address of your Synology for example by using putty.
@@BeardedTinker ahh okay, not exactly sure how to do it but going to try and stumble through it and work it out. How do you know if you have SSH enabled on the HA docker container?
Thank you for the video, but for me this is way to much manual work. Using it like this tends to become more like a hobby consuming a lot of time and this is nothing after working 9 or 10 hours and also taking care of a household. I mean, setting it up as a one time event is fine, but then always keeping an eye on updates and manually putting everything together is too much.
The VM way is set up with just a couple of clicks and provides the environment I'm used to (coming from Fredrike's hass.io). So if VMs are working for smaller Synologys, the RPi4 (or similar mini PC) would be the device to use - IMHO.
What still annoys me is the constantly running HDD. It would be nice to have the option to keep everything in memory and only flush values each hour to make them persistent in e.g. an Influx DB. Do you think this could be done somehow?
Sure, VM is much more simpler. If your device supports it and you are aware of differences, it's very easy to setup and work with it. Not one-click install, but can be done really easy. But a lot of people are using old Synology devices 5-7 or more years old and for them it's not an option. Even new ones that are officially not allowing VMM installation.
But I can also bet you that I can get up HA Core and all the addons + import old configuration in same time or maybe even faster then it would take you to install VMM and create VM + import config ;) When you setup HA Core and other containers, you don't need special maintenance and updates can be as automatic as with Supervisor - at least that's what I had.
When you set it up once, you don't need to do anything for update, or even type a single command to run latest version. Same as with Supervisor installation and using auto-update in addons.
As for HDD's - why is this problem? I have WD RED disks that are 7+ years old and still running great, not getting hotter and not a single bed sector. Power usage is different story,...
You could do that, but not with this HW - I had couple of projects like that that used memory banks specially made for this, but the cost was of a small used car.
@@BeardedTinker Yes, but if you always auto update to the newest version, would you like to run it like that? One big advantage of the supervisor is that I could double check, whether I would like to do the update or not. I get informed and I can decide. I mean, I'm normally to curious concerning what has changed, so most often I press the update button, but I guess it makes more sense to wait a couple of hours before doing the step. Just in case the update is screwing up the system and if you have your scripting set to get the newest versions, you might miss a hint in the change log telling you, that this step might be unhealthy.
Concerning the HDD topic: I also have WD Reds and the problem is, I can hear those drives working. My Seagates are far more quite and you only hear them spinning up. Once they are running, they are totally quite. But the WDs are always noisy and this is less comfortable. I could position the Synology somewhere else, but currently it is placed in my living room and the constant noise is getting on my nerves. That's why I thought, maybe the RPi4 way would be nicer. Having everything set up without a mechanical drive would be pretty quite and yes, also the energy consumption would be less. Then I thought about what is actually written to the HDD all the time and is this needed? There are a couple of log/status files and of course, sensor and automation values. But having like 4GB of free RAM, it should be possible to keep all of this in the memory and only wake up the HDD a couple of times per day to actually store those values. Yes, there is a bigger chance to lose data, but I guess it would be fine for me to lose the temperature in my bathroom every now and then. Just wondering, whether this could be done.
Have a nice Sunday,
Tim
Hey i have watched some videos from you and you were helping me a lot i will follow you know :) Greetings from germany. One Question i dont know if you have made a video for that but can you show/tell me how i get statistics from my utility meter daily_energy example on feb 5 my photovoltaik produced 1,2kwh or similar. is that possible maybe in a table ?
Thank you for your comment and sorry for a late replay.
It's not that easy out of box, but you can create what I did - each nigh at 23:59 I save in csv file statistics of the energy (usage) for that day. This allows me to import it later in Excel (for ex) and analyse.
I use this to trigger save:
github.com/BeardedTinker/Home-Assistant_Config/blob/master/automations/utilities/sunrise_sunset_tracking.yaml
And this is platform integration that is used to create file:
github.com/BeardedTinker/Home-Assistant_Config/blob/master/entities/notify/daily_energy_log.yaml
What's different core or gui home assistant?
Ther is no GUI home assistant or both HA Core and HA Supervised use Web UI. Depends on what you consider GUI
Any guidance on migrating OpenZWave?
Hi Andrew! I'm not using OpenZ-Wave so can't be 100% sure, but it should be similar to Zigbee2MQTT - configuration files are if I'm not mistaken inside /docker/hass.io/addons/data/core_zwave/ozw/config folder.
I presume that you have to copy all of them to new location, where you created folder for OpenYWave in Docker - for ex /volume1/docker/ozw
COmmand to create is following: docker run -it --security-opt seccomp=unconfined --device=/dev/ttyUSB0 -v /volume1/docker/ozw:/opt/ozw/config -e MQTT_SERVER="10.100.200.102" -e USB_PATH=/dev/ttyUSB0 openzwave/ozwdaemon:latest
@@BeardedTinker Thank you for your quick reply. While I really appreciate your videos and they are what inspired my move to HA from Homeseer, I cant help but wonder if I should switch to running the supervised version on a Pi. Do you know if that can be done and then restore everything with a snapshot? Or am I too far down the rabbit hole.
@@andrewm5269 it shuold work. You just load image in Pi, start it and during install load snapshot.
I did just few hours ago similar thing, loading hass.io snapshot in Synology VMM with official HA image.
It really is a shame that we have to go backwards from what we had =(
Yes, if you can run VMM, I would recommend that, but I can't so I'm on docker too 😉