Hi Mr.Simmons. My Name is David Cashe all the way from Trinidad. WI. I was viewing Bike Fest Videos s I love doing and saw that you had a youtube page in which I was very impressed with the way you conducted your sessions. I own a 2007 GSXR 1000 and a 2008 Suzuki Boulevard M109R. One thing you mentioned which is so important and is Practice, Practice, Practice. No rider is perfect. There are unguarded moments and practicing riding as often as possible helps you to avoid near misses. Stay bless and continue the fantastic work you're doing.
Retired California Highway Patrol saying hello to you from Sin City. Moved here last year. Came across your vid and I think it’s a good one. I sold my ‘07 Electraglide, FLHT in September of 2018 in preparation for my move to Vegas. For more than a year, I’ve been shopping for my next bike. I was torn between the Roadglide and the Goldwing. Well, six days ago I purchased the 2020 Roadglide Special in barracuda silver denim. I get what you’re saying about the amount of technology (or the lack of) and the amount of money H-D is demanding for their bikes. After checking my local H-D dealer’s website, I found that they got in the barracuda silver denim (coincidentally, they said it came from New York). I went in the same day and that’s all it took. After seeing that beautiful silver Roadglide sitting on the floor, I knew she was going home with me. I’m loving the ride and feel. It feels real good to be on a bike again! I’ll be leaving her mostly stock, except I’ll be adding the lower fairings as soon as they come in. Lol, I ordered them before I left the dealership. Well, I’m gonna check out your vid on riding techniques. I’m always down to learn from a pro 👍🏽 I’ll be looking forward to seeing some more of your vids. Take care and stay safe. 🇺🇸
Byron my brother, what’s up! C.H.iP.a in the house!! Nice to hear from you man! Thanks for your service and I hope you’re enjoying retirement. Congratulations and good luck on the new bike. It sounds like, just like my purchase, it was meant to be. You walked in the dealership, looked at the bike, and the bike “made IT move”. When a product “makes IT move”, even a little, there’s a very good chance a purchase will be made. 😂😂 Take care and be well brother.
I bought my first Harley recently. It's a much older model Electra glide. I like it, but the more u talk about the lack of features and issues with Harley definitely makes me consider not buying another. Thank you for your honesty in all your videos and for not kissing anyone's butt.
Frank: Police get great pensions. Time to sign up! Also, seilling a NY home and then moving from NY $$$$ to SC $$ is a great way to stretch a dollar. There's your plan. Go for it! :-)
Sounds like a whole lot of complaints and things you don't like for the amount of money that you are spending on that CVO. Maybe you should have stuck with the Indian since you seem to prefer that over the CVO. Me personally, I can't justify the cost of a CVO.
@@JN2130 I know it sounds that way, but it’s just me pointing out the things that need to be improved. All in all, I still like it much better than than the Indian.
Good luck Robert, because I did a stage4 on my brand new '17 cvo and it was one pile of shit.It stayed in the shop and I was very mild on it, even the pop uo gas tank cap would pop open and spray you down with gas. 4 gas caps later, the same thing wet balls..I did the opposite and got a stage 2 Indian Chieftain and couldn't be happier. Be safe my friend and great video work!
You're absolutely right. I have owned Indians and Harley's. Right now I have a roadking but I'm thinking about going back to Indian for that Challenger
Great videos. I enjoy the content. After watching this video though, from a former HD fan , new Indian Chieftain owner I think you will be back on an Indian by next year.
I appreciate the truth about the vibrating, not something to be bragged about and finding neutral or what gear you in, I found out my handle bars made me a better rider with being comfortable with being the boss of my motorcycle after I changed the position of how I make turns it made me feel like the boss of my motorcycle I originally did it for the looks it improved my slow speed technique, thanks Robert we appreciate your teaching and training from a Indian challenger rider
Robert, enjoyed hearing your commentary on your Harley. I laughed hearing you reference the vibration & finding neutral!!! Gee I thought it was just me & my heavy truck driving foot (18 wheeler) or my inexperience. I noticed this 1st with a used RoadKing Police version I owned before buying a used StreetGlide, so glad to hear someone with riding experience speak to that. Thanks for all that you do, learning your preloading technique & not touching my front brake under 20 mph has helped my slow riding skill. Still working on the maneuvers. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Robert, another thing about the CVO bikes. They are assembled in a building next to the main building at the York Factory. 2 guys start and complete the bike, so it is not like the old assembly line build. The factory doesn't even use and assembly line technique anymore either. The bikes are assembled on a cart that follows metal strips on then floor to each person that installs a different part on it.. Pretty cool how the plant works. Every time I tour the plant I see more and more robots doing the work. It's a worthwhile trip if you have never done the tour before.
Gorgeous bike Rob! I totally agree with the vibrating an gear indicator. It's awful that it's been this long, but everything else is so damn good with a Harley Touring bike.
Good ant true report. I own a 2020 RG CVO and can confirm what you say, the CVO bikes are simply of the highest quality level and good to ride. Greetings from Germany.
Take the heel shifter OFF. Every one of mine sport a classy spacer and an extended shift lever, and now I never worry about the back of my boot finding another gear I wasn't expecting.
Robert welcome to the Harley Davidson Family. I recently discovered your channel and enjoy it so far. Two items of advice out of you complaints. Change the transmission fluid to a heavier gear type, Bel Ray, Redline, or the newer H-D transmission fluid. Also check out some KST Mayhem Bars, 10 or 12 inch can be installed with your stock cables/lines. You are a tall guy and will feel much less crowded by the bars. Okay adding one more item, Legends Revo A rear shocks. FYI Apple CarPlay was a key reason I bought my 19 CVO Limited!!
Thanks a lot Joe. I appreciate the feedback and advice. The handlebars is an ongoing thing for me because although I do want to get raised bars, I don't want to move the mirrors. I've been told by many of my Preloaders to upgrade my suspension so that's definitely going to happen. When the Preloaders speak, I listen.😊👍🏾
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle KST does make some brackets to relocate the mirrors. Not sure if they are in your taste spectrum, but something to consider. Also your video on the Custom Dynamic Lights is gonna cost me a few overtime shifts.
@@josephpurcell1182 thanks Joe! And tell me about it!!! 😄Definitely going to set you back over a grand, but we’ll worth it! I might be looking at another light now that you mentioned that. Dammit Joe, now you’ve put that in my head!😂 You’re going to end up costing me money!😄
Great bike! I am glad I happened upon your channel. I am in the process of putting a stage 2 kit on my '99 ultra classic. It needed the cam tensioner replaced, as all TC88 motors do so I figured as long as I had the cam plate out I NEEDED some high torque cams.
I had a CVO limited with a 110 twin cam in it and I can tell you it had much more vibration than what the M8 motor has. They refined it quite a bit but left just enough in so it still feels like a bike. I had a Goldwing and it put me to sleep, (boring),but to each his own. I now own a 2019 CVO Road Glide with the 117 like yours, and a 2017 CVO Limited with the 114 M8, and love them both. I agree on the the gear indicator thing. The bike has to be moving for the gear position to show up. Enjoy you video's... Larry P.
Good stuff I just come across you.And I love your channel I have a 2012 street glide cvo love and your so right about everything on the bike lol.and I love your a cop for real I always back the blue. And congratulations on getting out of New York wish you had come to Texas but I guess Georgia is ok,) keep the vedios coming.
Hey Rich! Thanks for taking the time to visit my channel and for the feedback. It’s appreciated! Also thanks for backing the Blue! Congratulations on that CVO brother! Be well.
11:00 - This...this right here sums it all up. Not just for motorcycles and cell phones. But for every consumer choice. We've become a fast-paced, "show me the money" society. Technology is a strength and a weakness at the same time.
New sub. NYPD must have good retirement package, thanks for your service up there. Like the color scheme on the Harley but this video is more of an advertisement for Indian to me. I am looking at a Chieftan Limited but have trouble spending $23k for a toy much less the price you paid for the CVO but if you like and can afford, proud for you. Impressed by your slow riding video and look forward to see where you go on TH-cam and business ventures. Rubber side down.
Hey Larry. Thank you for taking the time to visit my channel and for the feedback. It’s appreciated! Also, thank you for subscribing! The Chieftain Limited is a good buy, but I don’t blame you for not wanting to spend the money on it. It really just depends, in my opinion, how much you really want it, because usually, if we really want something, and it’s attainable, eventually we will get it. You only live once brother. 😊👍🏾
Hey Robert give it sometime and you will fall in love with that Harley-Davidson. After owning 3 GoldWings and a Victory Vision, I got my first HD in 2014 and never looked back. You will find not knowing what gear you in won’t matter because operation of the bike will tell you. I wish I had your low speed riding skills. I currently have a 2019 HD Limited and a 2019 Ram same color as yours. Also when I taken Indians on test rides I thought they vibrate and highway speed where as HD vibrates at idle but smooth as silk at highway speed. Keep the videos coming.
Good video. You can’t go wrong with either an Indian or HD as a bagger. Both have great attributes. My CDH is the 116 BBK as yours was, with Indian stage 1 pipes and air cleaner. I’m currently working on a few things to get the power numbers to the 115/145 range...I enjoy power and cruising! Enjoy that good weather...my girl is tucked in now!
I agree. Power and cruising are a perfect combination. Moving to South Georgia was definitely beneficial as it pertains to motorcycle riding. It’s always riding season!
Great video Mr Simmons! I agree with a lot of your points. I own a 2013 Harley CVO Road Gilde and a 2019 Indian chieftain dark horse (with upgrades). I needed the fairing bolts tightened after 1 week on the cvo. Nothing yet on the Indian. Pros and cons to both bikes. Indian rides better. Better center of gravity and suspension. Very powerful in engine sport mode. Harley has better overall response in throttle. But having bought a CVO I would not do so again. I would buy the stock model and add accessories as necessary. Cost would be about the same. Indian could use a IPOD feature. They have recently added apple play though. I love both bikes but Indian has a slight edge in my opinion.
Former 33 guy here, still on the job but not in NY. Love your instructional videos and just started looking back at the old ones when I found this video. Seems like you think the HD is worse in every way except how it looks. Seems strange to buy the bike if the Indian was a better made bike that performed better too. I ride a BMW and love it, but am tempted to get a Road King. Sat on a Super Chief the other day and it seems pretty compelling compared to the HD.
Lt. Great video, Merry Christmas and Happy new year. I have a ? for you. I am constantly looking for a comfortable non slip boot / motorcycle boot that is not clunky to be in all day. any suggestions? thank you.
Hey Rafael. Thanks! The only boot I can suggest is the ones I wear. They're comfortable and not clunky. "Bates SP 500"theuniformhub.com/product/bates-sp500-beltline/?v=7516fd43adaa
Beautiful bike, Robert - I agree about Harleys being overpriced, and I know because I have a 2017 Road Glide Special in the garage. I spent $3000 to custom fit it to me, but I haven't done much since. Even though I have complaints like you, I've never ridden a nicer road bike. Safe riding - looking forward to catching your other videos.
The Milwaukee 8 motor you have was so smooth they actually put vibration back in for the old timers. Lol. Do oil changes regularly 3000 miles because the M8 has oil starvation issues. I lost a 2018 ultra classic to oil starvation and went back in debt to a 2020 road glide special.
I own a 2014 victory cross country i find it annoying that when I shift it won't tell which gear I'm in until I release the clutch. But its nice compared to my softail classic.
I Totally Agree With You Rob As Far As The Gear Indicator On The Harley's... I Would Be Nice To Know What Grear You're In Without The Clutch Being Disengaged.💯
Beautiful bike, You should consider putting a Wilbers full self leveling suspension on it-Your wife will love it as well. Presently there is no Wilbers experienced dealer in GA, but that problem is easy to be solved.
Check out Brad the Wizard Wilbers on TH-cam, he does a perfect install with customer review at the end. Then contact me on instagram and we figure out where to install it properly.
@@stefansgarage3014 thanks man, but I’m going to hold off on that for now. I do keep hearing good things about updated suspension so it will definitely be in my future plans.
The M8 engines have a single balance shaft on the touring models. The Softtail models have a dual balance shaft engines. The customers wanted the shake so they compromised by only using one balance shaft instead of two. The Twin Cams shake even worse. I prefer a smoother engine but with my cam it has more shake at idle than a stock bike.
@@fabiors10 I like the rumble too ! Lol but it’s nothing compared to a TC ! Lol with my stage lll kit the bars and mirrors shake at idle but the trade off in HP 112 and Torque123 is worth it 😊
Never mind Rob. I just watched your light vid and got my answer. I bought all my blinker led’s from custom dynamics, I’ll have to check out that 7” adaptive. Looks great.
I am happy with the HD. I was simply addressing the things that I have a problem with. No matter what you get, there's always going to be something you're not 100% satisfied with. I will say that the HD felt to be in another class. When I looked at them side by side, the HD made "IT" move.😉 Plus the HD has more features.
Sign up for the rewards program at the dealership. You will save a lot of money. As for the shaking it's really part of the culture. They actually got yelled out for using counterbalancing to reduce the shaking.
Thanks for the information. I’m automatically entered in the rewards program with the purchase of the bike. I know it’s part of the culture, but I think it’s ridiculous.
Also, finding the "Neutral" can be challenging -- on my Roadking, I pulled the stock 5 speed and installed (myself) Bakers 6 speed trannie...talk about a great transmission--one of the best, and finding "Neutral" is NOT a issue.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle Neutral will become easier to find after you put some miles on it. I had the same problem with my 2018 Road King Special. Not sure whether that is because I got used to it, or the gears mesh better after they're run in. I'll probably find that out when I get my 2020 Road King Special. (The 2018 was stolen, just so you don't think I have enough money to buy a new bike every two years...)
Agree with everything you have just said, I bought my ltd after years on Bmw gs, What sold me was the comfort and the power (getting a bit older now)after my springer crossbones a decade ago. But after a while you notice these little issues, and the lack of gear indication drives me mad.
There has got to be a way to hack that “ no gear indicator with clutch in” feature! I hate that on my ultra. 35 years on my 82 aspencade before buying an ultra this year.
Great, constructive and very honest Video! Your CVO is a beauty!! ......A Chieftain 116 elite with the stage 2 kit ( roughly the same as a 111 with stage 3) or a Challenger limited could have been an alternative, both come with Apple Carplay too. Regards from a Springfield Rider out of Germany
Hi Robert, after getting a 2022 RGS and a 2023 breakout . Looking at the 2024 CVO street glide. Not sure on the handlebars. Are yours stock , how’s the feel riding with those. And maneuverability on slow speed drills. Your input is much appreciated.
I couldn't get passed how beautiful your home, garden, cars, street and even the side walk lawns are! They must pay you guys really well. Beautiful CVO. Thanks. ps you have it too good my friend judging by your very minor complaints!
Wow, 4 a min, I thought that CVO had reverse, I was about to go slap the hell out of my HD general manager lol. I have the 19 Wicked Red Denim & just like you, I thought HD was overpriced, not too reliable in my opinion from the history of knowing previous owners but after 6 crotch rockets and age at age 54, I had to have one. I'm totally satisfied, you know it came with the 114, I bumped up to stage 2 & it woke it up totally. I felt going up any further to me cost wise, I may as well look at that 131. Man that weather at the time of this video is like perfect weather. I'm in NC and we get great pretty much year-round riding, one thing I've grown to love is the highways, not so much the interstates, but those too, but I find myself disappearing SOLO on them any given day. Safe riding brother, and again, very nice bike, I never knew what CVO meant til today, I have a CMO, I'm not as blessed as you, but making great strides, CUSTOMIZED MY OWN damn bike lol. That gear indicator issue with me was often a complaint, MAKE IT BIG AND BOLD, not too many 20 yr olds are able to ride them so let's figure out something to assists us glasses wearing folks. Could you imagine a gear indicator that was projected on your windscreen?
Mr. Avery how’s it going? Thanks for sharing and visiting the channel and for the feedback. It’s appreciated! Enjoy that bike and show it who’s the boss!
I’ve got a 2021 Indian Springfield Vintage Dark Horse and I love it! Im partial to Indian over Harley at this point. Do you own any Indians now? In the future maybe?
Hi I have a 2020 indian chieftain dark horse with the standard 116.that thing is fantastic straight out the box, fit and finish is absolutely superb. I suggest you go ride 1 if you haven't already. Don't get me wrong I love my harleys I my 1988 fxr that I've owned since 1989.anyway different strokes for different folks..cheers from new Zealand, kia ora🇳🇿
Like the color as well. Cvo is everything! But, the price. I'll stay with my 2015 Electra Glide ultra classic. My dream bike. I know, grandpa bike. Yet so like the esthetics of it. Yes, I had to add LED's to all but the headlight.
H-D EVos as with all their engines have a single Crank pivot - Indians, Ducatis etc are mostly opposed with two crank pivots. The law of physics says its going to vibrate, but gives that typical H-D sound. Make the engine larger, the vibes will increase. Enjoy your fabulous ride for what it is. The Indians is so perfect its like certain Japanese bikes, a lack of character for want of a better word. Ride safely....
So I'm a little confused, your deciding factor is the Apple carplay and it had most of what you would have added? From hearing your pros and cons, it seemed like there is much more to like about the Indian. I would like to know your thoughts on this: my research indicates that Harley's handle better, look better, and have more torque, but high maintenance. Indians seem to feel much better on the highway, more technology and rider friendly, much less maintenance.
Hey Tony. As I like to say, the Harley made “IT” move.😊 If it were a regular Street Glide, I would have kept my Indian. But compared to the CVO, it was an easy decision. It looks better and has more features. I can understand how the way I put it would be a little confusing.
I'll be honest, man, you've 'de-sold' me on HD's for real!! After hemming and hawing about 'em for years, I was actually okay with a number of the flaws. But when you got to the shaking of the handlebars, I was done. Had that experience on my CB500 hooptey while roaming a couple of the freeways in L.A. and it scared the crap outa me. It never happened before that and only one other time after. Admittedly, I was cruising 80, trying to stay with traffic and thought I'd get out of a couple o pockets. So I rolled the throttle, accelerated and the next thing I knew those bars started rattling and vibrating. If Harley's do that normally then it's a wrap. I stay with Honda or go for a Beemer. 500's are not fast or powerful bikes at all but they get me where I'm going with just enough of each. But I will say that HD's are some beautiful machines, like the one you own. I just respectfully decline. Go on though, and have fun with it!
I understand your position 100%. I will say that I don’t feel shaking while I’m riding. I feel it while stationary. If I felt it while riding, oh hell yeah that would have been a wrap for me too. 😄
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle I think I'm understanding better now. But I still have to wait til I get in a better financial place before even considering it. I do enjoy climbing on me Honda ever chance I get.
Finding neutral on my honda gold wing is tough too...Kawasaki has the positive neutral finder... flawless finding N at any stop. Harley is a great looking bike but damn, $38k for something you're still having to do stuff to (seat, tune, others) doesn't make sense to me.
Man I would have hated being pulled over by you my friend! 😂 Very informative video will definitely check out your others, clicked subscribe! Beautiful bike brother be safe and enjoy your retirement.
Bro my bike is a 2000 heritage and stock is 88cdi. I went stage 4 and it's a beast but I didn't stay strictly Harley. But being a Harley davidson technician and saving on all parts and labor I still 18,500 this year in it. But it's a new engine only thing used is the cases.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle it's now a 95cdi 4in stroke screaming eagle ported heads and intake mikuni 45mm Andrews tw60a cams dyna tech ignition with screaming eagle cam support plate and hi flow oil pump. Darkhorse flywheels welded and true. 120 horsepower and 105 ft lbs torque on 800
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle by the way you want rid of the vibration its expensive but have your bottom end sent to darkhorse crank works and get a bullet proof bottom end with true balance
I've got no hate for HD or Indian and I think that crap is for kids, however, I have to ask. The CVO has got to be more money than a fully upgraded Chieftain Limited I would expect by at least a couple of grand. You still don't get the adjustable windshield and I'm not sure about the rest that Indian throws in as stock instead of options. So did it come down to looks for you at the end? Just curious. Either way great looking bikes. God bless and stay safe.
Thanks man! Yes it came to looks and features. It just spoke to me more than the Indian. When I looked at both of them side by side, the HD is the one that made “IT” move. 😊
Nice bike. In regards to the vibrating; I have a Softail which have a balanced motor instead of rubber dampering bushings. Which is why the Softail models don't vibrate. Ride safe!
I have an 11 Softail Rocker C and 19 street glide. Definitely an accurate post. The rocker c does not vibrate. The street glide does. Any explanation for this would be lovely to hear!
Cvo top of the food chain with Harley... but harley was made to personalize... seat, Handel bars, exhaust... off the top I bought a few Harley’s and still own two before I committed on a cvo ... got tired of always looking at them lol
Dilemmas, dilemmas, dilemmas, oh to have these problems😊 I am looking at everything, but the motorcycle, I am looking at your house, which is quite literally a mansion, I am looking at your vehicles all four of them, I’m looking at how nice your garage is. You and I live on two completely different planets, I am 61 years old and couldn’t even begin to afford to purchase one of the CVO‘s my wife and I purchased a 2019 Road king and it doesn’t have CVO stickers on it but three years in we might as well I bought one because we have roughly $30,000 into it (w/ a simple stage 1 only I might add) and I’m glad we pulled the trigger when we did…. Frankly, because if we had waited two years, it would not of happened at all, because of the increase in cost these days one thing that that CVO does not have is a full legend, suspension front and rear that will always have to be added, dilemmas dilemmas dilemmas😅
This video plays a lot like the conversations I keep having in my head. Harley for the price does not offer what it could, and what it should. You are buying into the name and "tradition" Now - with that said. Indian offers a lot of tech in its new models. The suspension is something else. The fox monotube under the saddle is brilliant. The infotainment is more advanced. But the fit and finish look cheap. The clamshells look like cheap plastic. But more than that is the lack of dealerships available. I have a grand total of 1 here in Vegas compared to the 3 H-D dealerships. And the experience I had with that turned me off to the brand entirely. Condescending sales staff and employees who acted like they were doing me a favor by letting me buy an Indian. Anyways Love the bike, love the house and I subscribed to see more. Keep the shiny side up.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle Ten Four that's Awesome I live here in Charleston sc Beautiful ride across the Savannah river through Beaufort, I just sold my cruiser trying to upgrade to a bigger Touring machine, and I would like to practice with you guys when I get my new bike been riding all my life...👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Informative brother. I've owned nearly every make and model of Harley, from Ironhead, shovelhead, sportsters, Dynas, Electra Glides etc. I've liked and disliked features of each model. I'm considering purchasing my first Indian within the next couple months. Your thoughts after owning both Robert?
I think it really comes down to taste of the rider. The Indian is going to give you things that HD won’t and vice versa. So it really depends on which motorcycle “MAKES IT MOVE”.😁😉👍🏾
Cvo reminds me of the old ford SVO, whats funny everything you find wrong so do i(hence why i refused to buy a hd) but my die hard harly friends say we dont need these items or they are just small details but again when you pay so much for a bike many of these items should be stock.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle you are first person that I follow to trade an Indian in for a Harley, I like both. Road Glide is my favorite but that Challenger seems to be a better purchase and you don’t see many Indian’s on road here in Maryland. Great video sir!
@@kennethboone710 thank you. There are quite a few Indians here. In fact, the Indian dealership is directly across the street from the Harley Davidson dealership. Last year when they had their demo event where they featured all of their 2020 motorcycles, that was a fun weekend. I rode the entire Indian lineup on Saturday and the entire Harley Davidson lineup on Sunday.
People complain that Harleys don't have LED lights. Not one as you said. Then you since bought 2 CVOs WITH LEDs but you still changed them out to something you liked better. That's probably why Harley doesn't include them on all the rest of their bikes. Because people will still put what they want on them.
No that’s not why. And the fact that people are still out there riding with incandescent bulbs on their motorcycles proves not everyone will change LED’s if provided.
Wait, I have a '19 CVO SG (w/ 128ci build) in Black Forrest/Wine Berry as well as a white/black 18' G80 3.3T Sport htrac. Guess I'm going to have to sub.
Amen on the vibration! My CVO RG has me feeling like something was wrong with it while sitting at a light LOL From what I have read ... "it's normal" LOL
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle another one of what my friends call "Don-isims". "It doesn't matter how fast you get there, it's how good you look doing it!" :)
Love the cvo bikes, not worth 40k (current price near me) to me, no bike is, I'd never by a Harley new especially when there are bikes like the Indian like you said that already come with a lot of the features at less cost. Having said that, I've been riding for 20 years now, been on many different types of bikes from many manufactures and I always thought I'd never own a Harley partly because of how much they cost and just there reputation for reliability and the "Harley tax" but after befriending a Harley rider I started looking again. Found a 2016 SG Special that was too good to pass up. I loved my BMWs, Kawasakis, Yamahas, etc but there's something about that sound, that custom paint that just can't be beaten. While I love my SG I will be adding something to the mix next to it eventually, my wife just doesn't know it yet LOL. Stay safe and thank you for your service.
As I looked at that road king on the floor, I convinced myself that I wouldn’t have to do anything to it at all. That I could just ride it and enjoy it without a simple modification I was convinced at that time that Harley had made all the sweet changes and removed all the bugs out of it And my wife was convinced as well. That frame of thought lasted about 10 days after purchase.😂😂😂 then as I visited my local dealer, numerous times, discovered that this stock bike was everything, but finished. The brake pedal was just too high, those handlebars were just not going to work at all, the seat was uncomfortable, it was going to need road pegs, floorboard extensions, shifter extensions, some mechanical revision to make the clutch pull easier, the windshield, shortened, windshield, bag, added, highway pegs for the wife, back, rest for the wife and myself, luggage rack with all needed mounting hardware, new suspension, front and rear, then there is the trailer hitch, a cargo trailer with all the necessary camping gear for old people and the list goes on and on and on and on😂😂😂 my wife stopped, asking me ,”are we done yet?” about a year ago. You mentioned riding a road king for police duty, and one of the questions that I’ve always been curious about is what kind of modifications they allow each officer to make to that bike so that it’s more comfortable? For the individual I stopped a local cop here in my hometown and I asked him the very question and he said that they ride them totally stocked and they’re not allowed to do anything at all to make them more comfortable for the individual officer, and honestly he wasn’t really impressed with the overall comfort. It’s really funny because my local dealer wants me to come down and test ride new bikes all the time and I keep looking at them with one thought in mind “why would a person ever wanna ride a blank slate ever again?”……too funny please excuse my rambling😂
You mean to tell me that you didn't use a heel shifter on the NY Road King? That's just wrong. So you must of had scuffed up boots then. Unacceptable when riding the wheel. Also if your bike vibrates as bad as you say, there is something wrong with it. I have a 2020 CVO Limited and at idle, there are times I think its to smooth.
Yeah no heel to toe shifter on the Road Kings. I guess it was a safety thing. However, the boots were always on point just like the rest of the uniform. Ask around. Lt. Robert Simmons was always sharp like a #2 pencil ✏️! That’s what I always expected from my Cops and Sergeants and you have to lead from the front. 👍🏾
A lot of these things I don't get the gripe. You're upset Harleys don't come with LED lights. You get one that does come with LED lights, and you replace them anyway. So why would it upset you if it didn't have them? These M8 motorcycles come with a counterbalancer. They don't shake anymore. Everything is perfectly still when at idle. The gear indicator, yeah I'm with you on that one. Harley gear indicators calculate what gear you're in based on RPM and speed. If those don't match, it won't show what gear you're in, like when you've got the clutch pulled in, or the motor isn't running. I'm pretty sure they could show that if they put a sensor in there that reads the position of the gear selector. I've never ridden an Indian. I'd love to, but they're just very hard to find in Europe. The current Indian models I'm not a fan of. They look gaudy to me. The elegant lines and classic styling of Harleys is more my groove. If it's performance you want though, don't go with Harley's 122ci Stage III, but get something aftermarket like the S&S, Fuel Moto, or Zippers 128ci kit with a solid tuner like the ThunderMax or a Dynojet Powervision with Target Tune module. Even a Stage II with an aftermarket cam like the Wood WM8-22X-E, Zippers 468, or S&S 475 will perform much better than the 122ci. Also, replace that restrictive ventilator air cleaner with an Extreme Flow (ventilator, round, or heavy breather) from Harley or something aftermarket that will allow air to flow into the engine freely.
Old Brooklyn kid, here. Enjoy your bike, my friend. BE safe.
Hi Mr.Simmons. My Name is David Cashe all the way from Trinidad. WI. I was viewing Bike Fest Videos s I love doing and saw that you had a youtube page in which I was very impressed with the way you conducted your sessions. I own a 2007 GSXR 1000 and a 2008 Suzuki Boulevard M109R. One thing you mentioned which is so important and is Practice, Practice, Practice. No rider is perfect. There are unguarded moments and practicing riding as often as possible helps you to avoid near misses. Stay bless and continue the fantastic work you're doing.
Hey Dave. Thank you for watching and hopefully you’re subscribed!👍🏾😊 Also, thank you for the compliment!👍🏾😊
I'm an Indian fan boy and found your video straight up and honest ... nice job (and interesting commentary!).
Thank you for watching and hopefully you’re subscribed!👍🏾😊 Also, thank you for the compliment!
I agree, what gear you are in should always appear, not just when the clutch is out.
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Retired California Highway Patrol saying hello to you from Sin City. Moved here last year. Came across your vid and I think it’s a good one. I sold my ‘07 Electraglide, FLHT in September of 2018 in preparation for my move to Vegas. For more than a year, I’ve been shopping for my next bike. I was torn between the Roadglide and the Goldwing. Well, six days ago I purchased the 2020 Roadglide Special in barracuda silver denim. I get what you’re saying about the amount of technology (or the lack of) and the amount of money H-D is demanding for their bikes. After checking my local H-D dealer’s website, I found that they got in the barracuda silver denim (coincidentally, they said it came from New York). I went in the same day and that’s all it took. After seeing that beautiful silver Roadglide sitting on the floor, I knew she was going home with me. I’m loving the ride and feel. It feels real good to be on a bike again! I’ll be leaving her mostly stock, except I’ll be adding the lower fairings as soon as they come in. Lol, I ordered them before I left the dealership. Well, I’m gonna check out your vid on riding techniques. I’m always down to learn from a pro 👍🏽
I’ll be looking forward to seeing some more of your vids. Take care and stay safe. 🇺🇸
Byron my brother, what’s up! C.H.iP.a in the house!! Nice to hear from you man! Thanks for your service and I hope you’re enjoying retirement.
Congratulations and good luck on the new bike. It sounds like, just like my purchase, it was meant to be. You walked in the dealership, looked at the bike, and the bike “made IT move”. When a product “makes IT move”, even a little, there’s a very good chance a purchase will be made. 😂😂
Take care and be well brother.
I bought my first Harley recently. It's a much older model Electra glide. I like it, but the more u talk about the lack of features and issues with Harley definitely makes me consider not buying another. Thank you for your honesty in all your videos and for not kissing anyone's butt.
It’s my pleasure. 😊
Man, I hope I can retire like you one day, living the good life
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Hey Frank! Thanks!
Frank: Police get great pensions. Time to sign up! Also, seilling a NY home and then moving from NY $$$$ to SC $$ is a great way to stretch a dollar. There's your plan. Go for it! :-)
They must get 20x their working salaries.
“To make a long story longer”. Now that’s funny.
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Sounds like a whole lot of complaints and things you don't like for the amount of money that you are spending on that CVO. Maybe you should have stuck with the Indian since you seem to prefer that over the CVO. Me personally, I can't justify the cost of a CVO.
@@JN2130 I know it sounds that way, but it’s just me pointing out the things that need to be improved. All in all, I still like it much better than than the Indian.
Good info. Popo. I'm a retired Popo in Fla. and also ride a HD. Keep the videos coming and stay safe!
Thanks! Will do!
Good luck Robert, because I did a stage4 on my brand new '17 cvo and it was one pile of shit.It stayed in the shop and I was very mild on it, even the pop uo gas tank cap would pop open and spray you down with gas. 4 gas caps later, the same thing wet balls..I did the opposite and got a stage 2 Indian Chieftain and couldn't be happier. Be safe my friend and great video work!
Hey Brian. Wow that sounds like a nightmare! Thanks!
You're absolutely right. I have owned Indians and Harley's. Right now I have a roadking but I'm thinking about going back to Indian for that Challenger
I hear you.
Great videos. I enjoy the content. After watching this video though, from a former HD fan , new Indian Chieftain owner I think you will be back on an Indian by next year.
😂Thanks John. Time will tell.
I appreciate the truth about the vibrating, not something to be bragged about and finding neutral or what gear you in, I found out my handle bars made me a better rider with being comfortable with being the boss of my motorcycle after I changed the position of how I make turns it made me feel like the boss of my motorcycle I originally did it for the looks it improved my slow speed technique, thanks Robert we appreciate your teaching and training from a Indian challenger rider
Thank you very much! It’s my pleasure. 😊
Robert, enjoyed hearing your commentary on your Harley. I laughed hearing you reference the vibration & finding neutral!!! Gee I thought it was just me & my heavy truck driving foot (18 wheeler) or my inexperience. I noticed this 1st with a used RoadKing Police version I owned before buying a used StreetGlide, so glad to hear someone with riding experience speak to that. Thanks for all that you do, learning your preloading technique & not touching my front brake under 20 mph has helped my slow riding skill. Still working on the maneuvers. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for watching and subscribing!👍🏾😁 I’m happy that my channel has been helpful to you! That makes all the time and effort that I put into this so worthwhile!
It’s my pleasure. 😊 Preload!!! And Keep It Loaded!!!! ©
Robert, another thing about the CVO bikes. They are assembled in a building next to the main building at the York Factory. 2 guys start and complete the bike, so it is not like the old assembly line build. The factory doesn't even use and assembly line technique anymore either. The bikes are assembled on a cart that follows metal strips on then floor to each person that installs a different part on it.. Pretty cool how the plant works. Every time I tour the plant I see more and more robots doing the work. It's a worthwhile trip if you have never done the tour before.
Thanks for sharing.
Gorgeous bike Rob! I totally agree with the vibrating an gear indicator. It's awful that it's been this long, but everything else is so damn good with a Harley Touring bike.
Thanks Wardo! Agreed!
My husband loves his CVO. He had the Suzuki Boulevard C90 before his Harley.
He now has the Rockford Fosgate stereo system. Plus a stage 2 exhaust.
Nice!!
Wow! He went from a Boulevard to a CVO! That's like going from a Taurus to a Rolls Royce in the bike world.
Good ant true report. I own a 2020 RG CVO and can confirm what you say, the CVO bikes are simply of the highest quality level and good to ride. Greetings from Germany.
Hey Markus. Thanks for watching and I hope your subscribed! Take care and ride safely. Practice!
I totally agree LT. I have a 16-SG and had to change every light over to LED’s. Sweet CVO! Ride safe.
Thanks Milton!
Use your heel shifter to find neutral bro
Thanks. That’s what I use.
Take the heel shifter OFF. Every one of mine sport a classy spacer and an extended shift lever, and now I never worry about the back of my boot finding another gear I wasn't expecting.
@@halbennett4491 I love my heel shifter but if you do want to do that I have a couple chrome caps for it
@@halbennett4491 thanks Hal but I don’t have any issues with the heel shifter.
I wish my 2008 GL1800 had a gear indicator. I am going to add one, don't know when yet. I have to find what I want first.
Hey Tim. I didn't even know that was possible to add one.
Robert welcome to the Harley Davidson Family. I recently discovered your channel and enjoy it so far. Two items of advice out of you complaints. Change the transmission fluid to a heavier gear type, Bel Ray, Redline, or the newer H-D transmission fluid. Also check out some KST Mayhem Bars, 10 or 12 inch can be installed with your stock cables/lines. You are a tall guy and will feel much less crowded by the bars. Okay adding one more item, Legends Revo A rear shocks. FYI Apple CarPlay was a key reason I bought my 19 CVO Limited!!
Thanks a lot Joe. I appreciate the feedback and advice. The handlebars is an ongoing thing for me because although I do want to get raised bars, I don't want to move the mirrors. I've been told by many of my Preloaders to upgrade my suspension so that's definitely going to happen. When the Preloaders speak, I listen.😊👍🏾
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle KST does make some brackets to relocate the mirrors. Not sure if they are in your taste spectrum, but something to consider. Also your video on the Custom Dynamic Lights is gonna cost me a few overtime shifts.
@@josephpurcell1182 thanks Joe! And tell me about it!!! 😄Definitely going to set you back over a grand, but we’ll worth it! I might be looking at another light now that you mentioned that. Dammit Joe, now you’ve put that in my head!😂 You’re going to end up costing me money!😄
Great bike! I am glad I happened upon your channel. I am in the process of putting a stage 2 kit on my '99 ultra classic. It needed the cam tensioner replaced, as all TC88 motors do so I figured as long as I had the cam plate out I NEEDED some high torque cams.
Thanks!
I had a CVO limited with a 110 twin cam in it and I can tell you it had much more vibration than what the M8 motor has. They refined it quite a bit but left just enough in so it still feels like a bike. I had a Goldwing and it put me to sleep, (boring),but to each his own. I now own a 2019 CVO Road Glide with the 117 like yours, and a 2017 CVO Limited with the 114 M8, and love them both. I agree on the the gear indicator thing. The bike has to be moving for the gear position to show up. Enjoy you video's... Larry P.
I agreed all the way with you,at that price everything should be better than the competition
Thanks Frank.
Thank you for the very informative video sir. I looked at one this past weekend.
Very welcome
Nice bike sir. I always tell my friends and kids, anyone can ride fast... It takes skill to ride slow!
Truer words have never been spoken. 😊
You need a BMW K 1600 B or k 1600GTL Rob! Try them out, you will discover a whole new world of what motorcycle riding is all about!
Thanks but it's too late now.😊
Good stuff I just come across you.And I love your channel I have a 2012 street glide cvo love and your so right about everything on the bike lol.and I love your a cop for real I always back the blue. And congratulations on getting out of New York wish you had come to Texas but I guess Georgia is ok,) keep the vedios coming.
Hey Rich! Thanks for taking the time to visit my channel and for the feedback. It’s appreciated! Also thanks for backing the Blue!
Congratulations on that CVO brother! Be well.
11:00 - This...this right here sums it all up. Not just for motorcycles and cell phones. But for every consumer choice. We've become a fast-paced, "show me the money" society. Technology is a strength and a weakness at the same time.
New sub. NYPD must have good retirement package, thanks for your service up there. Like the color scheme on the Harley but this video is more of an advertisement for Indian to me. I am looking at a Chieftan Limited but have trouble spending $23k for a toy much less the price you paid for the CVO but if you like and can afford, proud for you. Impressed by your slow riding video and look forward to see where you go on TH-cam and business ventures. Rubber side down.
Hey Larry. Thank you for taking the time to visit my channel and for the feedback. It’s appreciated! Also, thank you for subscribing!
The Chieftain Limited is a good buy, but I don’t blame you for not wanting to spend the money on it. It really just depends, in my opinion, how much you really want it, because usually, if we really want something, and it’s attainable, eventually we will get it. You only live once brother. 😊👍🏾
. . . And the other beauty of it is . . Your yard looks great 👍 Keep the videos coming
Thanks!😊
Hey Robert give it sometime and you will fall in love with that Harley-Davidson. After owning 3 GoldWings and a Victory Vision, I got my first HD in 2014 and never looked back. You will find not knowing what gear you in won’t matter because operation of the bike will tell you. I wish I had your low speed riding skills. I currently have a 2019 HD Limited and a 2019 Ram same color as yours. Also when I taken Indians on test rides I thought they vibrate and highway speed where as HD vibrates at idle but smooth as silk at highway speed. Keep the videos coming.
Hey Alfonso! I have to agree with you. I’m already liking it more and more everyday.
Nice neighborhood LT. Glad you’re enjoying retirement. All the best.
Thank you very much Gino!👍🏾
Good video. You can’t go wrong with either an Indian or HD as a bagger. Both have great attributes. My CDH is the 116 BBK as yours was, with Indian stage 1 pipes and air cleaner. I’m currently working on a few things to get the power numbers to the 115/145 range...I enjoy power and cruising! Enjoy that good weather...my girl is tucked in now!
I agree. Power and cruising are a perfect combination. Moving to South Georgia was definitely beneficial as it pertains to motorcycle riding. It’s always riding season!
Great video Mr Simmons! I agree with a lot of your points. I own a 2013 Harley CVO Road Gilde and a 2019 Indian chieftain dark horse (with upgrades). I needed the fairing bolts tightened after 1 week on the cvo. Nothing yet on the Indian. Pros and cons to both bikes. Indian rides better. Better center of gravity and suspension. Very powerful in engine sport mode. Harley has better overall response in throttle. But having bought a CVO I would not do so again. I would buy the stock model and add accessories as necessary. Cost would be about the same. Indian could use a IPOD feature. They have recently added apple play though. I love both bikes but Indian has a slight edge in my opinion.
Thank you very much! You won't get an argument from me.
Former 33 guy here, still on the job but not in NY. Love your instructional videos and just started looking back at the old ones when I found this video. Seems like you think the HD is worse in every way except how it looks. Seems strange to buy the bike if the Indian was a better made bike that performed better too. I ride a BMW and love it, but am tempted to get a Road King. Sat on a Super Chief the other day and it seems pretty compelling compared to the HD.
Lt. Great video, Merry Christmas and Happy new year. I have a ? for you. I am constantly looking for a comfortable non slip boot / motorcycle boot that is not clunky to be in all day. any suggestions? thank you.
Hey Rafael. Thanks! The only boot I can suggest is the ones I wear. They're comfortable and not clunky. "Bates SP 500"theuniformhub.com/product/bates-sp500-beltline/?v=7516fd43adaa
Beautiful bike, Robert - I agree about Harleys being overpriced, and I know because I have a 2017 Road Glide Special in the garage. I spent $3000 to custom fit it to me, but I haven't done much since. Even though I have complaints like you, I've never ridden a nicer road bike. Safe riding - looking forward to catching your other videos.
Thank you very much! 👍🏾😊
You hit all the good points about Harley I ride 2015 road king I agree with u
Thank you very much!
The Milwaukee 8 motor you have was so smooth they actually put vibration back in for the old timers. Lol. Do oil changes regularly 3000 miles because the M8 has oil starvation issues. I lost a 2018 ultra classic to oil starvation and went back in debt to a 2020 road glide special.
Thanks!
CVO bikes are definitely pretty. I would have a hard time justifying the money.. but when I'm at the dealer looking at one I start making the case.
Avert your eyes!!😂
I own a 2014 victory cross country i find it annoying that when I shift it won't tell which gear I'm in until I release the clutch. But its nice compared to my softail classic.
So annoying I know.
I Totally Agree With You Rob As Far As The Gear Indicator On The Harley's... I Would Be Nice To Know What Grear You're In Without The Clutch Being Disengaged.💯
Thanks!
Like all of your videos. Well done. I especially like you slow riding video's you sir are a master. Stay safe . nice bike as well
Thanks a lot Doug!!!
I looked at this same CVO, well same color scheme cvo street at the Tifton Dealer, just cant give my ultra limited yet
I hear you. Nothing wrong with looking.😊
Beautiful bike, You should consider putting a Wilbers full self leveling suspension on it-Your wife will love it as well. Presently there is no Wilbers experienced dealer in GA, but that problem is easy to be solved.
Thanks man and thanks for the information. I’ll consider it.
Check out Brad the Wizard Wilbers on TH-cam, he does a perfect install with customer review at the end. Then contact me on instagram and we figure out where to install it properly.
@@stefansgarage3014 thanks man, but I’m going to hold off on that for now. I do keep hearing good things about updated suspension so it will definitely be in my future plans.
The M8 engines have a single balance shaft on the touring models. The Softtail models have a dual balance shaft engines. The customers wanted the shake so they compromised by only using one balance shaft instead of two. The Twin Cams shake even worse. I prefer a smoother engine but with my cam it has more shake at idle than a stock bike.
Nice, I didn´t know that though I felt the touring tremble a little compared to the softails.
@@fabiors10 Thanks originally it was supposed to have the duals but in focus groups customers wanted some shake so Harley compromised.
@@KevinButler816 I like the rumble, it doesn´t shake close to the TC tourings, those shake a lot ahah
@@fabiors10 I like the rumble too ! Lol but it’s nothing compared to a TC ! Lol with my stage lll kit the bars and mirrors shake at idle but the trade off in HP 112 and Torque123 is worth it 😊
I NEED to know what Gear I'm in.... I'm always looking... Thanks for the Video... Some good info..
Thanks Mark!👍🏾
You said you replaced the daymaker. What headlight are you using now? I like the way it cycles when turning on.
Never mind Rob. I just watched your light vid and got my answer. I bought all my blinker led’s from custom dynamics, I’ll have to check out that 7” adaptive. Looks great.
@@OnDaCh1p I was just getting ready to send you a link to that video. 😂
you don't sound to thrilled with the HD generally so other than the look of the HD, why would you leave Indian?
I am happy with the HD. I was simply addressing the things that I have a problem with. No matter what you get, there's always going to be something you're not 100% satisfied with. I will say that the HD felt to be in another class. When I looked at them side by side, the HD made "IT" move.😉 Plus the HD has more features.
Sign up for the rewards program at the dealership. You will save a lot of money. As for the shaking it's really part of the culture. They actually got yelled out for using counterbalancing to reduce the shaking.
Thanks for the information. I’m automatically entered in the rewards program with the purchase of the bike.
I know it’s part of the culture, but I think it’s ridiculous.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle lol you know if they had their way it would still have a carb on them.
@@tax905972 yep.😄
Also, finding the "Neutral" can be challenging -- on my Roadking, I pulled the stock 5 speed and installed (myself) Bakers 6 speed trannie...talk about a great transmission--one of the best, and finding "Neutral" is NOT a issue.
Wow that’s awesome man! Yeah you have skills! Do you mind sending a pic of your bike to me?
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle Neutral will become easier to find after you put some miles on it. I had the same problem with my 2018 Road King Special. Not sure whether that is because I got used to it, or the gears mesh better after they're run in. I'll probably find that out when I get my 2020 Road King Special. (The 2018 was stolen, just so you don't think I have enough money to buy a new bike every two years...)
@@bloodymarvelous4790 thanks!
Agree with everything you have just said, I bought my ltd after years on Bmw gs,
What sold me was the comfort and the power (getting a bit older now)after my springer crossbones a decade ago.
But after a while you notice these little issues, and the lack of gear indication drives me mad.
Indeed!
There has got to be a way to hack that “ no gear indicator with clutch in” feature! I hate that on my ultra. 35 years on my 82 aspencade before buying an ultra this year.
Hey Bill. If there is, I don’t know it.
Great, constructive and very honest Video! Your CVO is a beauty!! ......A Chieftain 116 elite with the stage 2 kit ( roughly the same as a 111 with stage 3) or a Challenger limited could have been an alternative, both come with Apple Carplay too. Regards from a Springfield Rider out of Germany
Hey buddy! Thanks!
Glad to hear I’m not the only one to have a problem with neutral.
Not at all!
Hi Robert, after getting a 2022 RGS and a 2023 breakout . Looking at the 2024 CVO street glide. Not sure on the handlebars. Are yours stock , how’s the feel riding with those. And maneuverability on slow speed drills. Your input is much appreciated.
Now that was an informative video. Well done sir
Thanks Earl!
I couldn't get passed how beautiful your home, garden, cars, street and even the side walk lawns are! They must pay you guys really well. Beautiful CVO. Thanks. ps you have it too good my friend judging by your very minor complaints!
Thanks Mike!
Wow, 4 a min, I thought that CVO had reverse, I was about to go slap the hell out of my HD general manager lol. I have the 19 Wicked Red Denim & just like you, I thought HD was overpriced, not too reliable in my opinion from the history of knowing previous owners but after 6 crotch rockets and age at age 54, I had to have one. I'm totally satisfied, you know it came with the 114, I bumped up to stage 2 & it woke it up totally. I felt going up any further to me cost wise, I may as well look at that 131. Man that weather at the time of this video is like perfect weather. I'm in NC and we get great pretty much year-round riding, one thing I've grown to love is the highways, not so much the interstates, but those too, but I find myself disappearing SOLO on them any given day. Safe riding brother, and again, very nice bike, I never knew what CVO meant til today, I have a CMO, I'm not as blessed as you, but making great strides, CUSTOMIZED MY OWN damn bike lol. That gear indicator issue with me was often a complaint, MAKE IT BIG AND BOLD, not too many 20 yr olds are able to ride them so let's figure out something to assists us glasses wearing folks. Could you imagine a gear indicator that was projected on your windscreen?
Mr. Avery how’s it going? Thanks for sharing and visiting the channel and for the feedback. It’s appreciated!
Enjoy that bike and show it who’s the boss!
First impression, that thing is awesome
Thanks Craig!
I’ve got a 2021 Indian Springfield Vintage Dark Horse and I love it! Im partial to Indian over Harley at this point. Do you own any Indians now? In the future maybe?
I don’t own one now. Who knows what the future holds.
Great video big man,very informative 💯👊🏾
Thank you very much!
Hi I have a 2020 indian chieftain dark horse with the standard 116.that thing is fantastic straight out the box, fit and finish is absolutely superb. I suggest you go ride 1 if you haven't already. Don't get me wrong I love my harleys I my 1988 fxr that I've owned since 1989.anyway different strokes for different folks..cheers from new Zealand, kia ora🇳🇿
Thanks Stu!
I have to say that u turn you did in front of your driveway was mighty impressive. Keep your videos coming I enjoy them very much👍
@@stuwhyte479 thank you! Will do!
Like the color as well. Cvo is everything! But, the price. I'll stay with my 2015 Electra Glide ultra classic. My dream bike. I know, grandpa bike. Yet so like the esthetics of it. Yes, I had to add LED's to all but the headlight.
Thank you very much!
H-D EVos as with all their engines have a single Crank pivot - Indians, Ducatis etc are mostly opposed with two crank pivots. The law of physics says its going to vibrate, but gives that typical H-D sound. Make the engine larger, the vibes will increase. Enjoy your fabulous ride for what it is. The Indians is so perfect its like certain Japanese bikes, a lack of character for want of a better word. Ride safely....
Thanks Phil!
So I'm a little confused, your deciding factor is the Apple carplay and it had most of what you would have added? From hearing your pros and cons, it seemed like there is much more to like about the Indian. I would like to know your thoughts on this: my research indicates that Harley's handle better, look better, and have more torque, but high maintenance. Indians seem to feel much better on the highway, more technology and rider friendly, much less maintenance.
Hey Tony. As I like to say, the Harley made “IT” move.😊 If it were a regular Street Glide, I would have kept my Indian. But compared to the CVO, it was an easy decision. It looks better and has more features. I can understand how the way I put it would be a little confusing.
I'll be honest, man, you've 'de-sold' me on HD's for real!! After hemming and hawing about 'em for years, I was actually okay with a number of the flaws. But when you got to the shaking of the handlebars, I was done. Had that experience on my CB500 hooptey while roaming a couple of the freeways in L.A. and it scared the crap outa me. It never happened before that and only one other time after. Admittedly, I was cruising 80, trying to stay with traffic and thought I'd get out of a couple o pockets. So I rolled the throttle, accelerated and the next thing I knew those bars started rattling and vibrating. If Harley's do that normally then it's a wrap. I stay with Honda or go for a Beemer. 500's are not fast or powerful bikes at all but they get me where I'm going with just enough of each. But I will say that HD's are some beautiful machines, like the one you own. I just respectfully decline. Go on though, and have fun with it!
I understand your position 100%. I will say that I don’t feel shaking while I’m riding. I feel it while stationary. If I felt it while riding, oh hell yeah that would have been a wrap for me too. 😄
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I think I'm understanding better now. But I still have to wait til I get in a better financial place before even considering it. I do enjoy climbing on me Honda ever chance I get.
@@slimdudeDJC I hear you buddy. Practice on that Honda. The techniques are the same. 👍🏾
Finding neutral on my honda gold wing is tough too...Kawasaki has the positive neutral finder... flawless finding N at any stop. Harley is a great looking bike but damn, $38k for something you're still having to do stuff to (seat, tune, others) doesn't make sense to me.
I hear you Brian.
Man I would have hated being pulled over by you my friend! 😂 Very informative video will definitely check out your others, clicked subscribe! Beautiful bike brother be safe and enjoy your retirement.
You're funny!😂 Thank you for watching and subscribing! and thank you for the compliments!
Bro my bike is a 2000 heritage and stock is 88cdi. I went stage 4 and it's a beast but I didn't stay strictly Harley. But being a Harley davidson technician and saving on all parts and labor I still 18,500 this year in it. But it's a new engine only thing used is the cases.
Nice brother!!👍🏾
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle it's now a 95cdi 4in stroke screaming eagle ported heads and intake mikuni 45mm Andrews tw60a cams dyna tech ignition with screaming eagle cam support plate and hi flow oil pump. Darkhorse flywheels welded and true. 120 horsepower and 105 ft lbs torque on 800
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle by the way you want rid of the vibration its expensive but have your bottom end sent to darkhorse crank works and get a bullet proof bottom end with true balance
@@jacjlandis2743 😮Damn!!!!!
@@jacjlandis2743 thanks brother! Appreciate it!
Awwwww man you go out to the playground too. Good info on all your videos.
Thanks!
I've got no hate for HD or Indian and I think that crap is for kids, however, I have to ask. The CVO has got to be more money than a fully upgraded Chieftain Limited I would expect by at least a couple of grand. You still don't get the adjustable windshield and I'm not sure about the rest that Indian throws in as stock instead of options. So did it come down to looks for you at the end? Just curious. Either way great looking bikes. God bless and stay safe.
Thanks man! Yes it came to looks and features. It just spoke to me more than the Indian. When I looked at both of them side by side, the HD is the one that made “IT” move. 😊
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle Understood brother and thanks for the reply. Good luck with her, she's a sweet ride no doubt. God bless.
@@UnApologeticPatriot thanks!
I love the looks of that bike! Was curious about the Indians. Figured you always used a heel-toe shifter on your police bike. Don’t know why.
Thanks! I wish I did have a heal to toe shifter on my police bike.
Nice bike. In regards to the vibrating; I have a Softail which have a balanced motor instead of rubber dampering bushings. Which is why the Softail models don't vibrate. Ride safe!
Hey buddy! Interesting 🤔Thanks for sharing and you ride safe as well.
I have an 11 Softail Rocker C and 19 street glide. Definitely an accurate post. The rocker c does not vibrate. The street glide does. Any explanation for this would be lovely to hear!
Silver is my color of choice also. Nice!
Thank you very much! Thank you for watching and hopefully you’re subscribed to my TH-cam channel!👍🏾😊 th-cam.com/users/BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle
How about not having reverse as an option!
What has reverse?
You can get a gearbox with reverse gear from Baker. Why you would want one though, I'm not sure.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 I don’t want one.
Cvo top of the food chain with Harley... but harley was made to personalize... seat, Handel bars, exhaust... off the top
I bought a few Harley’s and still own two before I committed on a cvo ... got tired of always looking at them lol
Hey Spanky! I hear you. The CVO thing is all new to me.
Dilemmas, dilemmas, dilemmas, oh to have these problems😊 I am looking at everything, but the motorcycle, I am looking at your house, which is quite literally a mansion, I am looking at your vehicles all four of them, I’m looking at how nice your garage is. You and I live on two completely different planets, I am 61 years old and couldn’t even begin to afford to purchase one of the CVO‘s my wife and I purchased a 2019 Road king and it doesn’t have CVO stickers on it but three years in we might as well I bought one because we have roughly $30,000 into it (w/ a simple stage 1 only I might add) and I’m glad we pulled the trigger when we did…. Frankly, because if we had waited two years, it would not of happened at all, because of the increase in cost these days one thing that that CVO does not have is a full legend, suspension front and rear that will always have to be added, dilemmas dilemmas dilemmas😅
Yeah brother.
I am new to your channel loving your content brother!
Thanks and welcome!👍🏾😊
This video plays a lot like the conversations I keep having in my head.
Harley for the price does not offer what it could, and what it should. You are buying into the name and "tradition"
Now - with that said.
Indian offers a lot of tech in its new models. The suspension is something else. The fox monotube under the saddle is brilliant. The infotainment is more advanced. But the fit and finish look cheap. The clamshells look like cheap plastic. But more than that is the lack of dealerships available.
I have a grand total of 1 here in Vegas compared to the 3 H-D dealerships. And the experience I had with that turned me off to the brand entirely. Condescending sales staff and employees who acted like they were doing me a favor by letting me buy an Indian.
Anyways
Love the bike, love the house and I subscribed to see more.
Keep the shiny side up.
I couldn’t have said it better myself! I wish I had you there with me when I made this video. 😄
Thanks for watching and subscribing! It’s appreciated!
Are you guys near Savannah GA
Yes we are. Approximately 10 minutes from Savannah airport.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle Ten Four that's Awesome I live here in Charleston sc Beautiful ride across the Savannah river through Beaufort, I just sold my cruiser trying to upgrade to a bigger Touring machine, and I would like to practice with you guys when I get my new bike been riding all my life...👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@tsimmons1974ts that sounds like a plan to me!
Informative brother. I've owned nearly every make and model of Harley, from Ironhead, shovelhead, sportsters, Dynas, Electra Glides etc. I've liked and disliked features of each model. I'm considering purchasing my first Indian within the next couple months. Your thoughts after owning both Robert?
I think it really comes down to taste of the rider. The Indian is going to give you things that HD won’t and vice versa. So it really depends on which motorcycle “MAKES IT MOVE”.😁😉👍🏾
Cvo reminds me of the old ford SVO, whats funny everything you find wrong so do i(hence why i refused to buy a hd) but my die hard harly friends say we dont need these items or they are just small details but again when you pay so much for a bike many of these items should be stock.
Nice bike! It’s a blessing to have both.
Thanks Ken. Indeed it is. I only have one now because I traded the Indian in for the CVO. And thank you for watching.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle you are first person that I follow to trade an Indian in for a Harley, I like both. Road Glide is my favorite but that Challenger seems to be a better purchase and you don’t see many Indian’s on road here in Maryland. Great video sir!
@@kennethboone710 thank you. There are quite a few Indians here. In fact, the Indian dealership is directly across the street from the Harley Davidson dealership. Last year when they had their demo event where they featured all of their 2020 motorcycles, that was a fun weekend. I rode the entire Indian lineup on Saturday and the entire Harley Davidson lineup on Sunday.
Yes Rob, my girlfriend is Indian and I always know what “gear I’m in” by what time it is 🤣🤣 fiery. Love her though (I case she reads this) 👀
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People complain that Harleys don't have LED lights. Not one as you said. Then you since bought 2 CVOs WITH LEDs but you still changed them out to something you liked better. That's probably why Harley doesn't include them on all the rest of their bikes. Because people will still put what they want on them.
No that’s not why. And the fact that people are still out there riding with incandescent bulbs on their motorcycles proves not everyone will change LED’s if provided.
Wait, I have a '19 CVO SG (w/ 128ci build) in Black Forrest/Wine Berry as well as a white/black 18' G80 3.3T Sport htrac. Guess I'm going to have to sub.
Get the hell out of here!!! Pictures please!!😁
Amen on the vibration! My CVO RG has me feeling like something was wrong with it while sitting at a light LOL From what I have read ... "it's normal" LOL
Yes sir Damon. But she still looks good though, right.😊
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle another one of what my friends call "Don-isims". "It doesn't matter how fast you get there, it's how good you look doing it!" :)
@@donsvideos1985 yep!😊
Love the cvo bikes, not worth 40k (current price near me) to me, no bike is, I'd never by a Harley new especially when there are bikes like the Indian like you said that already come with a lot of the features at less cost. Having said that, I've been riding for 20 years now, been on many different types of bikes from many manufactures and I always thought I'd never own a Harley partly because of how much they cost and just there reputation for reliability and the "Harley tax" but after befriending a Harley rider I started looking again. Found a 2016 SG Special that was too good to pass up. I loved my BMWs, Kawasakis, Yamahas, etc but there's something about that sound, that custom paint that just can't be beaten. While I love my SG I will be adding something to the mix next to it eventually, my wife just doesn't know it yet LOL. Stay safe and thank you for your service.
Hey Paul. We are definitely on the same page. Thanks!
2018 CVO Road Glide and I don't notice crazy vibration. What borough did you work in ?
Bronx and Manhattan
As I looked at that road king on the floor, I convinced myself that I wouldn’t have to do anything to it at all. That I could just ride it and enjoy it without a simple modification I was convinced at that time that Harley had made all the sweet changes and removed all the bugs out of it And my wife was convinced as well. That frame of thought lasted about 10 days after purchase.😂😂😂 then as I visited my local dealer, numerous times, discovered that this stock bike was everything, but finished. The brake pedal was just too high, those handlebars were just not going to work at all, the seat was uncomfortable, it was going to need road pegs, floorboard extensions, shifter extensions, some mechanical revision to make the clutch pull easier, the windshield, shortened, windshield, bag, added, highway pegs for the wife, back, rest for the wife and myself, luggage rack with all needed mounting hardware, new suspension, front and rear, then there is the trailer hitch, a cargo trailer with all the necessary camping gear for old people and the list goes on and on and on and on😂😂😂 my wife stopped, asking me ,”are we done yet?” about a year ago.
You mentioned riding a road king for police duty, and one of the questions that I’ve always been curious about is what kind of modifications they allow each officer to make to that bike so that it’s more comfortable? For the individual I stopped a local cop here in my hometown and I asked him the very question and he said that they ride them totally stocked and they’re not allowed to do anything at all to make them more comfortable for the individual officer, and honestly he wasn’t really impressed with the overall comfort. It’s really funny because my local dealer wants me to come down and test ride new bikes all the time and I keep looking at them with one thought in mind “why would a person ever wanna ride a blank slate ever again?”……too funny please excuse my rambling😂
Oh yeah absolutely… So much has to be changed. And it’s the same with my department. You’re not allowed to modify the motorcycles.
You going to sell that CVO seat?
Most likely.
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle let me know of you want to sell the seat
@@kj8779 ok
Hey brother how you doing enjoy your Harley-Davidson I will be getting mines real soon 2012 Cvo
Hey Glenn! Thanks man. Make sure you let me know when you get yours so you can tell me if you’re showing it who’s the boss!😊
You mean to tell me that you didn't use a heel shifter on the NY Road King? That's just wrong. So you must of had scuffed up boots then. Unacceptable when riding the wheel. Also if your bike vibrates as bad as you say, there is something wrong with it. I have a 2020 CVO Limited and at idle, there are times I think its to smooth.
Yeah no heel to toe shifter on the Road Kings. I guess it was a safety thing. However, the boots were always on point just like the rest of the uniform. Ask around. Lt. Robert Simmons was always sharp like a #2 pencil ✏️! That’s what I always expected from my Cops and Sergeants and you have to lead from the front. 👍🏾
Hey brother I'm with you as far as that DAMN NEUTRAL and the gears. But using Loctite got me lol
I know right...😊
A lot of these things I don't get the gripe.
You're upset Harleys don't come with LED lights. You get one that does come with LED lights, and you replace them anyway. So why would it upset you if it didn't have them?
These M8 motorcycles come with a counterbalancer. They don't shake anymore. Everything is perfectly still when at idle.
The gear indicator, yeah I'm with you on that one. Harley gear indicators calculate what gear you're in based on RPM and speed. If those don't match, it won't show what gear you're in, like when you've got the clutch pulled in, or the motor isn't running. I'm pretty sure they could show that if they put a sensor in there that reads the position of the gear selector.
I've never ridden an Indian. I'd love to, but they're just very hard to find in Europe. The current Indian models I'm not a fan of. They look gaudy to me. The elegant lines and classic styling of Harleys is more my groove.
If it's performance you want though, don't go with Harley's 122ci Stage III, but get something aftermarket like the S&S, Fuel Moto, or Zippers 128ci kit with a solid tuner like the ThunderMax or a Dynojet Powervision with Target Tune module. Even a Stage II with an aftermarket cam like the Wood WM8-22X-E, Zippers 468, or S&S 475 will perform much better than the 122ci. Also, replace that restrictive ventilator air cleaner with an Extreme Flow (ventilator, round, or heavy breather) from Harley or something aftermarket that will allow air to flow into the engine freely.
Thanks man! That’s a lot of good information!
Nice much appreciated 👍 the truth
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If it didn’t vibrate I wouldn’t own one. May as well have a Honda. That bike is a beauty.
Thanks buddy! I hear you.