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That Renault 5 Turbo wasn't their only weird hot hatch, they made Clio V6 RS in the early 00s. Also mid mounted, also rear-wheel drive.
Was working in Southampton Docks at the time and off loaded a few of the V6's. With the low ground clearance and he angle of the ramps the first couple got their spoilers ripped off.
The Renault 5 Turbo was a road legal version of a rally car and central engine hatchbacks aren't proper hot hatches since they dont have the same practicality without rear seats and significant boot space. The hot hatch version of the Renault 5 and Clio are the R5 Alpine/Alpine Turbo (Gordini/Gordini Turbo in the UK), the Supercinq GT Turbo, and the Clio S16/Williams/RS.
@@chucku00 A mate had a Gordini rapid up to 70/80 but noisy.
@@dinger40 Yup, I had an Alpine Turbo (continental Europe name), it was a hoot but tiresome on long distances, heavy steering and its nonsensical longitudinal engine. As a consequence, you gotta have a specific spark plug wrench to change the last spark plug that was litteraly just under the front windscreen or have to remove the bonnet locking mechanism.
My following 205 GT had way better road handling and reliability, overall similar average speed capacity (not as quick on the 0 to 60mph, tho), long distance trips were a breeze BUT even if I'm nowadays an old "see you next tuesday" if I had to choose between the two I'd prefer to get another Renault 5 Alpine Turbo.
_L'amour a ses raisons que la raison ignore..._
Dont forget the williams clio
as an owner of a '89 205 gti in original condition, i approve.
Há, the GTI is a slug compared to the rallye lol ( the euro specked one 103 horse power ), jocking a side, the 205 was by far the most fun car i ever drove.
Nice 👍
Not dead yet? Kind of a performance by itself lol
@@guiguijol 240K on the clock today when i arrived home from work.
@@jmirsp4zas a kid born early 80's, I loved the 205 gti and renault 5 turbo. Still have the steel toy versions of those in the attic.
Outside UK that Vauxhall Astra GTE is Opel Kadett GSI.
And many many other badges
In the US it was the Pontiac LeMans.
Yeah , Vauxhall is GM . Same car gets different Badges in different Markets . Australia HOLDEN Astra .
@@RunePenrod and Asuna GT in Canada, and also Passport Optima and different name Daewoos too... 😄
But not sure is it offered as sportier GTE/GSI models in all of those brands.
My dad owned the 1300 model 😂 Hooked a caravan to it and went from the Netherlands to Austria... with minimal overheating during the summer 😂👌
Frenchman here, when was 20 in the end of 80's, i wanted 205 GTI or Golf GTI ... but i've got an old 2cv 😁
Which is actually better in terms of financial investment.
Io la R4,prima. Poi la 205Gti
might not have the fun factor of the 205 but that old 2cv is an icon!
Now that is considered just as cool just different :) so you're cooler with .. some lag :)
French Bug... 😂
Renault Turbo 5 has it's roots on mad days of the rallying on Group B. That's why it is mid engine, similar stuff were also Peugeot 205 - 205 T16. FIA homologation cars for group b.
yeah, the 205 T16 série 200, it was the homologation car for the group B, the few differences between the street legal and race car were the de-rated engine for reliability and meeting the pollution limits of the time, the mandatory security features that were absent from the race car and that was it, with next to no effort, you could have a 205 T16 rallye ready to race.
Nope, the Renault 5 Turbo has been developped as a Group 4 car just before the new Group B specs were released, that's why it's a two wheel drive car. However, Renault made this car evolve to try to keep up with Group B cars so the Maxi 5 Turbo arrived but aside of winning on dry tarmac roads (Tour de Corse) it never won any other WRC rally. _La messe était dite_ for the rally version but the road legal one became a surprising commercial success with the Renault 5 Turbo 2.
@@chucku00 Also some compromises were done on the Turbo 2 compared to the Turbo, as the 2's interior was pretty much the normal one, whereas the original one had a nearly bespoke one. But as the Turbo was the real homomlogation special, it was also much less produced to begin with, whereas the Turbo2 was not in such a limited run (but were still rare, and even rarer nowadays as a lot of those ended up crashing, thanks to the brutal power delivery of the 80's turbo on the rear wheels on such a short wheelbase)
The 205 GTi is considered the benchmark for hot hatches even 30 years after it was released. Recently voted the greatest hot hatch ever. Peugeot still use it to advertise their more recent cars but none have really come close
Yeah but never drove a MG Maestro Turbo. I had a 205 GTI 1.9, fantastic car, but the Maestro was insane.
The most valuable is the Renault R5 Turbo... They go from 100000 USD up to 300000 USD if they are in mint condition.
they missed the 205 T16 Série 200 in that list, that would be the most valuable and rare one, most of them has been wrecked or modified to race, there are less than 10 cars still in their original configuration, some people are trying to get a few modified T16 in their stock config, with parts that are still available (very difficult to find, but not impossible), I believe that only the chassis and engine are number matched, so if you have both and OG parts even from different cars, it should be as valuable as an unmodified one.
Yep sadly i would love to get one someday.
The Opel Kadett GSI and the Peugeot 205 GTi are getting very rare same for the Escort and Fiesta on this list.
Dont know about the Volvos i have to say but in my country germany you will find the Golf 2 GTi the most from this list but even the Golf 2 GTi is getting more rare and the prizes going up for all cars.
A 'normal' Renault R5 Alpine Turbo with frontengine is a good Hot Hatch too. And much cheaper.
@@Eytaris not realy this are Group B homoglations Cars and the most expansive ones are the Ferrari 288GTO and the Porsche959, all other group b cars are much cheaper becouse the companys had problems to sell there cars. Like the Ford RS200 at the end Ford sell the RS200 to his employes for 10000£ or the Lancia DeltaS4 later Lancia changed the interieur(to complet Alcantara) +the Gearbox for higher Topspeed from 205km/h to 215km/h.... a German Magazine write about the S4: you must have a very strong personality to pay 165.000German Mark for a car only to be slower as a 7 times cheaper MK2 Golf GTI 16V on the German Autobahn. A Porsche 911 Turbo(930) cost 100K at the same Time.
The Renault 5 Turbo was notoriously devious to drive. The turbo often broke traction on the rear wheels and sent even decent drivers off the road. I want one. 😁
Rear wheel drive, 80's turbo with a lag measured with calendar... When it kicks in, all the hell breaks loose. 🤣
The Renault 5 Alpine Turbo front wheel drive.I was a proud owner of a 84.110 HP and only 850 kilo. 0 to 100 Kph in 9,2 sec.
My dad drove for a car rental company at Wolfsburg and he told me that he was scared from Fiat Uno turbo I.E. 1.300 with 105 bhp 700 kilograms weight and 175 wheels at 130 kmh in fifth gear he pushed down his throttle foot and the frontwheels at 82 miles turned through and he was so scarred. 0 to 60 it went 8 seconds..
My 5 Turbo was chipped, rapid was an understatement...
Trouble with the turbo was inevitable though.
@@luudscheffers6988 Heavy steering, tiresome on long trips, nonsensical spark plugs (only the Citroën Visa Chrono 2 shared the same model), the last spark plug hidden under the windscreen so you'd need a special articulated sparkplug wrench if you didn't want to remove the bonnet locking mechanism when you needed to change the sparkplugs, the car stereo that was slowly cooked by the proximity of the engine, the 3 fragile wheel lugs that snapped like crystal if you locked them just a bit too much...
But if I had the opportunity to get another one I'll take it in a heartbeat. In French, we call this _l'amour vache._ It hurts but it feels good overall.
The Lotus Sunbeam should've been on that list.
Absolute "Turbo Nutter Bastard" car.
It wasn't a Turbo. Twin carbs, but it was Lotus.
My mum had a Sunbeam Ti in the late 70's, in Moonstone Blue with the black stripe down the side. She wasn't that into fast cars, but my Dad was (he had a series 2 XJ6, the 4.2). She* later swapped the Talbot for a Fiat 131 Sport, this time in yellow (but again with a black stripe down the side). Both of them'd be worth a fair bit these days, if they'd managed to survive this long (which I seriously doubt, given their propensity to turn into rust).
*well, she didn't, but my Dad did.
My cousin had a lotus sunbeam, in bright yellow, we referred to it as the flying banana. He had it about 6 mnths until someone robbed it and very smartly hid it in a field of rape seed (those bright yellow plants you fields of ) so cops couldnt see it with a helicopter. Then they stripped it for parts, even took the rubber floor mats and gear stick knob and just left an empty shell. Eventually it was found, insurance paid out and he got himself an old late 60's early 70's lotus elan.
Technically a 70s hot hatch although made into the 80s and could say pretty much the same for the very similar engined Chevette HS too 😆
Don't forget "fannymagnet roadshagger!"
I had a 1991 Fiat Uno Turbo, 1.4 liter Turbo Intercooled engine, five speed manual, curb weight under 2000 lbs with 122 raging ponies. It was a beast :)
Nicole, papa 🤣🤣🤣
Great shout, my friend had one and it was an animal. Had a MOMO steering wheel from factory
Before I get into it... I REALLY hope the Citroen AX GT is there. Underrated, fantastic, wee car!
Booooo!! ☹ No AX GT, no Saab 99 Turbo, no FIAT Uno Turbo and no Lancia Delta Integrale. This list is incomplete!
That one or the Visa GTI.
Also missing the VW Corrado.
Nova gte nova Sri. Honda prelude mk1 2.2 I. Xr2i. The list can go on.
Fiat punto turbo
@@chriscollins550 As nice a car as a Prelude is, it's not a hot hatch. Oh, and no Mk I Prelude came with a 2.2 litre engine - the Mk I only came with 1.6 or 1.75 engines. I'm pretty sure the 2.2 was only available in the Mk IV & Mk V.
I'm an Englishman in my 50's, first decent car I ever had was a Ford Escort XR3i, then had an Escort RS Turbo, and a Vauxhall Astra GTE 16 valve. Once I started working at a Private Bank, I moved up to Audi's and the like as company cars, but I still have rosy memories of those days in the early 90's, picking up your mates to go clubbing, then ragging the arse off the Astra on Saturday nights.........
We had a Volvo 360 GLT in the family but just as sedan. It was real fun to drive, especially to chase BMWs! 🤪In the 80s about120 hp was a significant number here in Europe and the transaxle system (engine in front, transmission in the back) paid off.
Loved my 340s the best way to learn car control with the rear leaf suspension and rear wheel drive. Balancing the car sideways along a snowy road was always fun. Were very sought after as drift cars for a while.
Honda, Opel, Renault, VW etc... They were all legendary in the 90's.
When driving was fun 😊🚘
Now we are talking. I actually owned a few of these. You are right, with the narrow windy Euro roads these would smoke most American cars. That 5gt is beautiful.
The Vauxhall Astra was sold as a Pontiac LeMans and Daewoo LeMans in the U.S. In Europe it was known as the Opel Astra.
Opel Kadett.
Opel Kadett though, not Astra.
Astra name didn't come before the generation that came in the 90's.
@@brrebrresen1367 Yes, I meant Kadett, sorry. Don't know why I wrote Astra. haha. Cheers.
fast to skip in the heat xD
Opel Kadett GSI was sold in America as the Pontiac LeMans GSE Aerocoupe.
I had a 205 GTi as a replacement while my car was being serviced. It had the 1.9 litre injection engine and weighed NOTHING. The gas pedal was like a speed control with the acceleration being almost instantaneous. The whole time I drove it, I had a grin from ear to ear. Huge fun!
My Aunt had a Fiesta XR2 when I was a kid, it was a superb car and I eventually drove it when I got my driver's licence, loved it.
You should consider a video on the "flying coffins" or "coffins on wheels" of the 80s and 90s. There was a period in which the main manufacturers, to conquer the market of young lovers of sports driving, began to offer their small cars in the "on steroids" version. These small and very light little boxes were equipped with a more rigid suspension setup and turbo engines and caused the joy and misfortune of a couple of generations. Unfortunately, however, it was a rather difficult recipe to tame for inexperienced young people and often even for experts given that at the time the concept of safety was rather vague and tires and brakes were not those of today. For this reason they earned the name "flying coffins". Technically the Peugeot 205 GTI in this video falls into the category, but only partially because it wasn't turbo and had excellent suspension and brakes. The others were: Renault 5 turbo and later the Renault Clio 16 valve, the Fiat Uno turbo and later the Fiat Punto GT, the Lancia Y10 turbo, the Peugeot 205 and later the 106 (which both had various sports versions which still today monopolizes amateur or even high-level rally competitions, where, however, very large sums of money do not circulate) , the Ford Fiesta RS turbo and XR2, the Honda Civic VTI, the Citroën Saxo VTS, the Opel Corsa GSI 16 valves etc. It is absolutely worth discovering these crazy years that I was able to see but not experience firsthand and that a non-European has never even been able to see.
205 was known as the Sacred Number in France, Saved the Company from Bankruptcy an absolute piece of design perfection which still looks modern 40 years on.
We had a Ford Fiesta in the 80s as a family car. Took us over the Alps from Germany to Italy for a camping trip (3 people, luggage and our camping equipment).
We had one as well.
You where with 3...
We went with 5 on holidays in it...
We have 2 peugeot 205 T16
It is the road version of the rally legend originaly has 200 HP the rally version had about 400 and ours is tuned to 1000HP also won the GermanRaceWars twice
The grandpa of all GTIs is the VW Golf GTI. In my youth we never said the full name. Only GTI was needed and everybody knew what car it was. 110 HP were enough for that light and wonderful handling "Rennsemmel" (Racingbun 😜) and it left quite "bigger" cars in the dust. I remember a little struggle with a Camaro. In the end it was faster in a straight line, but on the track that Golf blew it away. That Camaro driver bited in his cap and we laughed and had some beers.
the fun with the Volvo was that it was rear wheel driven.. so it was a blast to drive, because it was quite easy to actually drift!.. there was also an Automatic version, with a CVT transmission because the DAF Car manufacture was taken over by Volvo.
The first way you said Peugeot sounded pretty good. Definitely the best pronunciation of any American I've heard
I´m a former owner of a 1990 Peugeot/Gutmann 205 GTI with 140bhp. It was a fun (fwd!!!) car that you could drift with in the roundabouts. I also owned a 1987 Opel(Vauxhall) Kadett GSI 115bhp. That cars claim to fame was that it very aerodynamic and could (barely) reach 200 km/h at redline. I also owned the rare 1985 Mitsubishi Colt Turbo with 125bhp.
6:43 to remind you about the 5 Turbo, in America as far as i know, was known as "Le Car" :D
The Le Car was the equivalent to the bog standard Renault 5 offered in Europe.
I don't think the US even got the Gordini version, let alone the wide body rear mounted fire breathing monster that was the 5 Turbo, a completely different animal.
Owned a MK1 Opel Kadett GTE in the 80's loved it to bits and so reliable.
The Volvo 340/360 was actually built and developed in the Netherlands as an DAF 77. When Volvo bought DAF the design was almost finished and was slightly changed to look more like a Volvo. The smaller DAF 66 is also sold for a while as a Volvo 66. The Volvo 340/360 was an extremely popular car in Europe, you can still see them driving around here, although the 2.0 versions are very rare nowadays.
Fun fact; if you like crazy European car things, you should take a look at ‘Ter Land, Ter zee en in de Lucht’, it features a backwards racing on a real circuit. The DAF’s are the fastest cars to go backwards because of their special transmission (CVT), which can go as fast backwards as they can go forwards (around 110 km/h).
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The backwards racing❤
yeah looking at the uk for european hot hatches is like
looking for a burger in a steak house .
kinda similar but very different
The Renault 5 featured in a James Bond movie, and will be back on the market as an EV next month.
Yeees! It was a long chase scene, I remember
Was maybe grace jones driving?
Never Say Never Again was a weird James Bond movie that featured a cameo from Mr Bean (or was it Johnny English? 🤔) and Sean Connery coming back after 10 years, releasing the same year as the official Bond movie with Roger Moore in Octopussy. The new EV version of the Renault has already made its way to the Grand Theft Auto universe as the "Penaud La Coureuse"
@@ojjohnson-n6g Yes that is correct, well Grace Jones stunt double was driving.
The Renault 5 turbo 2 was also in never say never the film with Sean Connory and was driven by Barbara Bach l.
@@briangilbert4642That was in the movie itself, not in the video clip.
That Renault 5 GT turbo was also made front engine FWD with the 1.4 turbo. That one is more common, but still rare ofcourse. After that came the Renault Clio 16v.
Sort of.. The fwd hot version of THAT 5 Turbo and Turbo 2, was the Gordini.
The later GT Turbo was based on a redesigned Mk2 shell, totally different cars.
Wasn't the Gordini based on the group B car and is extremely rare. While the front engined version was the one which was sold to the public
@@pacplays848 The Turbo1 and 2 were Mk1 shells with rear mounted engine and rwd, with those massive arch extentions.
The Gordini was the "hot" version available to the public, Mk1 standard narrow shell, fwd with a tuned 1.4 but non turbo.
There was also the R5 Alpine Turbo. I had that one 1.4l and 108 bhp.
They didn't added the Autobianchu Y10 Turbo or the FIAT Uno Turbo i.e, they were like small monsters, very quick and fun to drive
The "bare su ruote" (coffin on wheels)
@@marco_grt4460 exactly, or another hot hatch could be the MK5, MK6 and MK7 Autobianchi A112 Abarth 70 HP (I own a MK6 one)
Or the Innocenti De Tomaso, Ritmo Abarth, and the Alfa 33 is a hatchback allthough 4 door, the Alfasud looks like it could have had a hatchback but only the Sprint coupe did, and just like the Civic CRX that apparently does not count as a hot hatch because it's too much a coupe.
@@DenUitvreter exactly, or even the Renault 5 GT Turbo too
@@Sceneemofemboy0666 I think most brands had one, but Fiat and Renault were among the more inspired ones. The Renault was a really pretty little car with the hot hatch package suiting it very well.
Pretty weird list. Not a single italian car (Fiat 127, Alfasud, Ritmo Abarth, the almighty Delta, etc.)? The Vauxhall is actually an Opel Kadett E. You might have seen those later on sold as Daewoo LeMans in the US. I don't think there was a hot version of that around though.
The Renault 5 Turbo is a totally different story than the rest of the cars shown. It's been a homologation car for the Group B rally R5. Peugeot had a mid-engined 205 for the same reason. Both cars were produced in limited numbers and had been way more expensive than the other cars shown here.
Good point my FIAT 105. TC would have gubbed most of those shown and those it couldn't there was always the FIAT 130TC
@@fuzielectron5172 there was in the netherlands a Fiat Ritmo Abarth 120 TC.
@@luudscheffers6988 never knew that, they were 130bhp here.
My father has bought a Fiat 127 in the past. When they opened the bonnet, they realize he got the Abarth version! (Those times, when communism ended here and the avarage dealers didnt know anything about western cars, he bought it for the normal 127 1.1 price) He loved that car so much, but they have to sell it a few months after I was born. My parents say, I always smiling and giggling, when they go for a ride with me in that 127. When my father revs it, I was giggling. So that was the moments, when I'm injected to love italian cars. In our family we got some french/german/japanese cars too, but always come back to our routes and use the italians :)
Italian rust rusted faster than any other country's rust, lol.
The R5 Turbo was in "Never say never again" the getaway car of the female villain, Fatima Blush... 😂
They are all common .... Wrap around trees. Many models are missing.. Clio Williams, Sierra Cosworth, Delta Integrale and Uno Turbo 😅
Very UK biased video it seems, that Vauxhall Astra G was ONLY in the UK, as in the rest of Europe that is an Opel Kadett E, as the Opel Astra G is an entirely different car.
The video caption is cut, the car in the picture is the Vauxhall Astra GTE. The Vauxhall Astra G is exactly the same as the Opel Astra G.
Yep that was a Kadett here, we got the GSI as the top version of that.
@@module79l28 Ah! good! I was a bit confused why it was a Astra G. XD
Yes, this would be a Vauxhall Astra E. Continental Europe has the Opel Kadett E. The first Opel Astra is the F.
In the USA it was sold as the Pontiac LeMans.
A little data update.
Versions of the Opel Kadett E/Vauxhall Astra:
1984-1993 Opel Kadett (Europe)
1984-1992 Vauxhall Astra/1986-1991 Vauxhall Belmont (U.K.)
1986-1989 Bedford Astramax/Astravan (U.K. sistercompany of Vauxhall specialized in Utility vehicles.)
1986-1992 Daewoo LeMans
1986-1995 Daewoo Racer
1988-1991 Passport Optima/1991-1993 Asüna GT (Canada)
1988-1992 Pontiac LeMans (USA)
1989-1991 Chevrolet Kadett (Brasil)
1994-1998 Daewoo Cielo (facelift)
1994-2008 Daewoo Nexia (European version of the Cielo)
2008-2016 Daewoo Nexia (2nd facelift)
?-? Opel Astra (Afrika/Nairobi)
I owned a Peugeot 205 a decade ago. It was a 90hp diesel and it was pretty fast too.
Renault 5 Turbo always has been a dream car for (now 40-ish years old like me ^^) teenagers in the 1990s'.
Golf GTI, 205 GTI, Renault 5 Turbo, Renault 21 2.0 Turbo... all those were the cars we would dream about.
Vauxhall is just the name of OPEL in the UK. Anywhere else on the planet it's OPEL, except the UK.
Opel Astra had a short life in Australia, but a long life as a Holden Astra
Regarding to french cars i once heard someone say: "The French should stick to cheese, wine and underwear..." 🤣
The Austin Metro had a hot hatch version, too, which is missing from this list.
The Volvo 340/360 actually started their lives as DAF design. Sadly Dutch car manufacturer DAF were on their last leg when they designed the car. They had stuck to their rather extremely yet really good older designs a bit too long and missed the train into the Seventies. When they teamed up with Porsche to design this transaxle gearbox car with superb balance, superb turning circle and extremely good ergonomy and economy, they were basically bankrupt. Volvo bought the DAF company thus, and sold the design as the Volvo 340 with the 1.3 litre Renault 4 cylinder. An EXTREMELY good engine. Very reliably and tunable and LOOONG lasting. I know of several that easily made it to over 300000 Km with no worries whatsoever. Designed in the Sixties!
When Volvo wanted more power, they adapted the 3 series for the red four cylinder block known from the 444, 544, 144, P1800, Amazons, 244… The regular version comes with 2 litre 113 hp, but as the stronger versions of that engine block have exactly the same dimensions, fitting the 2.3 turbo is not much of an issue.
…if you want that. the 2.3 litre B23E and F have been tuned and beefed up to putting out well over 200hp by tuners without turbos. Someone had claimed to have gotten 280 hp out off his.The 360 can be made one of the best handling and fastest hot hatches out there. 😉
I occasionally see videos where people take the B23s out of Volvos and replace them with V8s. As the common V8 blocks are roughly twice as heavy as the Volvo blocks, they throw the balance of the cars right out off the window, make them heavier in the front and thus taking traction away from the rear wheels. All I can tell them: You f*cked the opportunity to get a fast Volvo.
I really love the V8s, but light fast cars are not the place for them.
Loved my 340s, great fun. Also missed the Metro's bigger brother the Maestro. The MG Maestro was actually a decent Golf GTI competitor. I remember the adverts with the tag line " The Golf GTI will be along in a second" . The MG Maestro was quicker 0-60 by a second over the Golf GTI
The standard Renault 5 was sold in North America as the Renault Le Car
It even featured on an episode of the A-team!
@@jean-fabl6187 and also a renault fuego turbo in magnum p.i 1982
Opel kadett (second car) on American market was called Pontiac lemans
Good point, I also found Daewoo Le Mans, Asuna GT, Guangdong GTX5010x.
Oh wow. I had a Ford Escort RS 1600i and also a Fiesta XR2. I’ll never forget them. Very cool cars and I spent a part of my best time in my life with these cars 🥰
I've a Mk1 Golf Gti that I've done a engine swap to 1.8 20V Turbo now running 230bhp and she flys
The first version of the Ford Fiesta XR2 with 84 hp and 1.6 l engine was a blast to drive.
750 Kg empty weight.
Which means it is freaking fast for the speeds below 100 kph.
A BMW 323i has no chance against it to win the race at a traffic light e.g. and a BMW 323i has 150 hp.
Specialty that only existed in this series of Fiestas was: The steering wheel was tilted about 10-15°.
Left side was further away than the right side from you.
Why was this so great?
Well, it is easier to use the steering wheel one-handed, when parking, because it ergonomically goes with the natural motion of your arm.
I miss this in any other car, because it was so great.
It's also better for driving straight, because your arm position is more natural that way.
The XR2 was my favourite car. Then I got a Sierra Sapphire, and then that was my favourite car. Too much tech in modern cars and not enough visibility out the back window.
UK; vauxhall astra GTE. EU: opel kadett GSI. USA : daewoo lemans / pontiac lemans 1987
The are all the same car made by GM
You seen the Renault 5 in previous rally clips….you mentioned the big wide ass…you said at the time you didn’t know what it was 👍🏻
In the UK we pronounce it ‘Perj oh’ or ‘per zhow’ (it’s difficult to spell phonetically as we don’t have a letter for that sound really)… but I think we may say it incorrectly 💁♂️
I had the 1.9 GTi
Is a strange selection.
Renault 5 Turbo and Turbo 2 should not be on the list, IMHO; they were rally cerification builds of really really few units (also and quite older than the rest.)
I guess this video is really UK centric and it shows:
Vauxhalll is Opel in the UK.
Also that volvo.... yeah, nice car, but i don't think it was particularly famous nor "a hatch". The SAAB 900 Turbo WAS really famous and mythical, not this one.
THe good Peugeot 205 and the one that made it famous was the 1.9 GTi. It was not sold on some places, seems UK was one of them. It was a completelly different beast.
If you can call it a hot hatch for the time. the Volvo 480 Turbo or Citroen BX19 GTi are the one's for me (not in the list). its just so weird and cool. You often see all of these cars particularly at shows but occasionally driving about.
Agree with you.
I think the 205 stole the light from the bx and 309 gti 16v
Wich are a litte more grown up and realy fast.
Visa 1.6 GTi
Or one of the first hot batches the Fiat Strada Abarth. Would doubt any of them are left, the early ones could rust in a desert!
The Renault 5 turbo is an insane car. When the turbo kicked in it sent the entire cars spinning into the nearest hedge.
The 205 GTI actually had an 1.9 liter 8 valve with 130 horses. Then came the 1.6 also with 8v but less power. No clue why this happened tho, maybe displacement or emission tax or something...
Later on when the Saxo VTS came, since the 1.6s where similar bottom ends with different heads, people started making hybrids or fully swaping those engines into the 205s, at least I've seen a bunch of them swapped in Portugal and France as a kid.
EDIT: Yep I did confirm and indeed the 1.6 came for the first few years, but quickly replaced 2 years later with the 1.9. Always learning I guess lol
The 1.6 (1984) predated the 1.9 which was introduced in 1986.
@@jinxvrswas just about to say the same.
the Astra actually was sold in the US under the name Pontiac LeMans in the late 80's. I don't believe there was a performance version of it though and it was largely ignored.
The Volvo was a surprise!
Peugeot 306 GTi was what I wanted, but ended up with a MG Maestro EFi 2.0.
Most manufacturers had a Hot Hatch at the top of the range
Great fun!
Yes the MG’s were brilliant, especially in turbo guise, MG metro turbo would have gone nicely in this list
My first car was 1986 1.3l Toyota Corolla DX. I loved that car. I have sedan now but i still have soft spot in my heart for the hatchbacks. In the 80's and 90's most young people i know had hatchback and GTI Golf was most wanted one of them all.
4:05 - Opel Kadett GSI in Germany !
All over Europe actually. It's only the Brits (and their Australian friends) who renamed / rebranded it Vauxhall.
@@dnocturn84wouldn’t it be Holden in Australia?
Same in South Africa.
Pontiac LeMans GSE Aerocoupe in the States!
Opel Monza in South Africa.
I had two Peugeot 205 GTi s I tried so many before choosing the first a red 1.9 GTi was quick and stuck to the road like a gokart, even on short journeys I would always arrive with a smile on my face, great car until someone decided to trash one side with a 4x4 truck and uneconomical write off so bought a white 205 1.6 GTi with nice body kit fitted, but drive wise the 1.6 was way slower than the 1.9, Some people even fitted the 2.0 16v engine out of the Peugeot 405 Mi6 .
the renault 5 turbo was also used in many rallies
I think the only reason to sell the Renault 5 Turbo was to be able to use it in rallies. 😄
All of these cars except Ford Escort still have modern day successor and/or spiritual successor.
Renault now makes 5 E-Tech EV that looks retro like the old 5 (not this one but more pedestrian version) and Alpine A290 which is more performance orianted version
I love how he calls Mk2 Golf rare car. Meanwhile it's probably every 15th car on the road still in the Balkans especially in Bosnia and Herzegovina
What!? No Lotus Talbot Sunbeam? Absolute beast of a road car, and a very very capable rallycar.
This is a bad ass car. I drove one in the Washington DC area with the Lotus eng. Rwd. Hard suspension. Owned by a rally driver whose name I forget. Fast and furious!!
Simca, Peugeot et Talbot! j'ai eu une Horizon! le nom en France de la Sunbean!
@@marc9080 mon francais n’est pas bon mais c’est tres awesome 😎
They were very rare, and rusted.
No denying they are a great hothatch, but it's not an 80's hatch, the Ti was released in 78 and the Lotus in 79.
My dad had 3 escort xr3i’s when he was younger, sadly wasn’t alive to see any of them. Was alive for his fiesta si and his golf gti 180 25th anniversary edition. Sadly he’s stopped getting cool cars now and just goes for normal ones.
The smaller Volvo was developed by DAF before the car factory was sold to Volvo. The truck department continued as DAF. Most of these Volvo's had DAF Variomatic gearing, which made them extremely fast in taking off at traffic lights.
The variomatic was mated mostly with the Renault engine 1.400 cc and 72 bhp or so. It could go as fast rearward as frontward..
The 360 was using Volvo engines it was superseded by the 460 series from 1987 on which was superseded by the first V40/S40 series in 1998 produced parallel with the Mitsubishi Carisma in the Nederland Car factory..
The early models has variomatic, but after a few years they were also available with a manual gearbox, and I think that was the most common setup in the end, at least here in Sweden.
Back in the 70's and 80's it was extremely common for European manufacturers to take their small family cars and breath some sportiness into them. The intention of course was to entice people into the showrooms and perhaps sell them a family car from lower down the range. Fitting a more powerful engine, better suspension and brakes, bucket seats with red pinstriping, a front air-dam and rear spoiler, go faster graphics and an exclusive paint scheme became commonplace.
Several took it further and developed rally cars - think Peugeot 205, Renault 5, Escort Mexico and so on. It's surprising that cars like the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, Toyota Corolla, Ford Sierra Cosworth and Lancia Delta Integrale weren't on the list
Please react to Nicole Johnson's detour video on the "French fury " Renault 5 turbo 2
It would have been nice to also see the Lancia Delta Evo, in the 80s it was a rally legend, as well as still having a modern and current line today. Some time ago I wanted to buy one, but the prices have skyrocketed.
They got all much more rare and expensive because its the faster versions of the models. The Renault 5 Turbo is very rare and expensive.
The Vauxhall or as a Opel Kadett GSI you find some if them and even more Golf 2 GTis. The Peugeot 205 GTI is also gotten rare and the prizes are going up.
The Renault 5 Turbo is the dream for me but it will be a bigger chance that i buy a Golf 2 GTi sometime its way cheaper and you find more units of the Golf 2 GTi than the Renault.
The Vauxhall Astra was sold in the US as the Pontiac Lemans.
I was missing the Talbot Simca Sunbeam Lotus,
a french car like Peugeot, Renault with a 150 HP 2 litre Lotus engine.
It ouitperformed all of these cars except the R5 Turbo!
The Vauxhall Astra was also sold as Opel Astra and Daewoo Racer in Europe and as Pontiac LeMans in North America
Opel Kadett E in Europe. And Daewoo Nexia in Europe when the Opel Astra E became the Opel Astra F.
Obviously, can't read all the comments - so probably doubling up: but
Volvo 360 GLT is connected to their Dutch collaboration with DAF. Gearbox and diff are a transaxle at the rear, like many Alfas. Great for rallying.
Renault's 5 was available with a V6 mid engine, from Alpine ( pronounced Al - peen ), Renault engine - also used in the DeLorean. Known as the PVR engine. Standing for Peugeot, Volvo, Renault - to combine together to have a 6 cylinder engine, in the compact V6 format. I think it was also known as the Douvrin ? engine ?.
Also there is actually a Renault 5 twin engine V6. Yes, x2 V6 engines.
Astra GTE is the car to have in my opinion, still a very popular rally car in the UK as is the 205, the "red top" engine out of the Astra is a very popular motor to dump in a MK2 Escort
Peugeot 205 Gti and Renault 5 turbo 2 are Iconic in France, check them out 😉👍
I had a Cosworth-engined 16v Astra GTE and it was a seriously impressive bit of kit. Until it was stolen, and found on its roof and on fire in a field about 3 miles from my house.
The lack of (Citroën) AX GTi is ... Sad.
Dude who picked this video?? This was sooo bad, it actually made me sad as a car guy. You need to re-do this one with a better video for sure.
So many great hot hatches in the 80's and 90's, the Renault 5 turbo 1 and turbo 2 is probably the most expensive one on this list.
There is also the Renault 5 GT Turbo, great little hot hatch too and direct competitor to the Peugeot 205 GTI.
My Renault 19 16v Phase 2 (face lift version) is probably the most underrated hot hatch Renault made, the biggest downside is that the 1.8 16v should have been a 2.0 16v.
Took care of that by putting in a 2.0 16v (engine code F7R) and did a turbo conversion it.
I would suggest the Honda was influenced by the european hot hatches
At 22 years old i bought a 205 1.9 gti and in an isurance they told me " sorry we don't insure hearses " i spent an all afternoon to find an insurance in a city of 15000 people 😅
Pretty much all of these are classics, the MK2 Golf GTI, Escort 1600 and Peugeot 205 GTI have cult followings here in the UK. Might be a contentious thing I’m about to say, but I’ve always preferred the MK1 Golf GTI instead of the MK2
That particular Renault Turbo was a mid engine homologation special, was a real handful
The Renault 5 Turbo or R5 Turbo is a sport hatchback automobile launched by the French manufacturer Renault at the Brussels Motor Show in January 1980. The car was primarily designed for rallying, but was also sold in a street version.
I miss the Citroen Visa GTi and AX GT/Sport/GTi, the R5 Turbo (not "fat ass" but regular version), the Talbot Samba Rallye, Fiat Uno Turbo, Autobianchi A112, Opel/Vauxhall Corsa GSi, Seat Ibiza GTi and others.
I had a Mk2 Ford Fiesta 1.4S. Not as much oomph as the XR2, but basically the same chassis, and looked very similar. A complete hoot to drive, very much a road legal gokart.
Renault made a Clio with a mid-mounted 3.2 V6, around 250bhp in a car that tiny, do the math..
What no ALFAsud or Fiat Uno Turbo or Lancia Delta 🙃🙃🙃
And we forgot Citroën. Many cars too: Visa or AX was crazy hatchback from this period of end of 70's and start of 80's. Alfa Romeo had too with alfasud.
🤔the "Astra GTE" was a Opel Kadett E (GSI) ,a Pontiac LeMans, a Chevrolet Kadett,a Daewoo Nexia,and perhaps a Holden something in Australia, quite a famous car...
France, Italy, and Germany were the leader in the 80's of the hottest tiny rockets on the market. Golf 1 GTi VS 205 Gti VS Ritmo Abbarth were the pinnacle for me ^^
The hot hatch turm came Europe, it was the Germans who started the ball rolling with the mk1 golf gti followed by the 205gti, after that all the manufacturers were playing catch up. The 205 in my eyes was the best.
It’s pronounced Pur-Joe so 10/10 for effort
The Fiesta is the Escorts younger brother
You should check : The Camel Trophy.🎉
The Red Opel was called Kadett GSI in Germany...and the GSI 16 V got 150 PS...a real agil...fast Car...!!!❤😊😊
If you go back to 1991ish the models to have that were mentioned on the vid would be, 205Gti 1.6 115bhp, 1.9 130bhp... Also check out the 309Gti 8v 130bhp and the 309 Gti 16s around 160bhp.
The Astra top model was the 2.0l 16v. There was an 8v GTE and a 1.8Sri.
Escort. The Rs Turbo, Rs1600i 'not so popular' & XR3i.
The Renaul 5 Turbo 2 Didnt have the Mid engine.
Golf Gti16v then the 8v.
Fiesta had moved on to the Mk3 'Mk2 in the vid' and shared similar engines to the Escort.
I woukdnt even know where to start with Volvo.
Exciting time to be a 20 year old lol.
All ranged between 115 - 150bhp and averaged around 900kg.
Yeah... That list is very, very incomplete. But these Renault 5's were rockets back in the day...
The Renault had a less wide body version of the 5 I believe it shared the engine architecture with the Volvo 360
There was a lot of hot hatches missing still.
The xr2i was a decent car was roughly a similar size to the 205 and golf
12:22: My first car at the age of 18 in the summer of 1988 was a used Volvo 343 DL with 71 HP / 52 kW. (Series 300, 4 cylinders, 3 doors) in the color dark blue with light stripes on the sides. It had leafsprings (Blattfedern) like in a carriage. (I hope the translater does a good job) I was very proud of my first car!
11:10: Around 1993 I had a used Ford Fiesta in red with yellow and turquoise stripes. It had a 4-speed manual transmission and unfortunately an engine failure at some point. A friend had installed a replacement engine for 700DM and it had more power and 5 gears! That was fun! Unfortunately I don't know the engine data and model exactly. But it was like the one in the video, only not as a sports version...but probably later with the sporty engine🚗😉🆒.
9:20 : Around 2000 I had a black, 3-door VW Golf 2 with 75 HP with a 4-speed gearbox. I couldn't have afforded a GTI. They were very popular in Germany.
There were, and still are, clubs where GTI drivers met, tinkered with cars, tuned them and so on. They were the “opponents” or "rivals" of the Opel Manta drivers. Also a very interesting car by the way! There is also a German comedy film with actor Till Schweiger. The Movie called 'Manta Manta'. Or 'Manta - Der Film'
Maybe it'll be interesting and funny to look at! You will see lots of cars, car racing and some german (flat) humour and good music ...😎
I'm glad that you, as an American, like our European cars that we drove when we were young!!
Keep it up! 🍻Cheers!
Greetings from Northern Germany 🇩🇪♥️
back in the day the fiesta xr2 was the car every boy racer wanted
A lesser known car but for me a hot hatch for sure, is the Citroen AX. I had a relatively base model with 60 hp and only 680 kg of weight. it was extreme fun.
Volvo 340/360 was produced in the Netherlands and not in Sweden. Volvo bought Daf and produced the volvo/daf 66 in Born in the Netherlands. the successor were these smaller 3 series Volvos, which were different from the 7 series that were produced in Sweden. the 4 series like the 440 were the last Volvos produced in the Netherlands, with the cherry, the famous Volvo 480 turbo, which in my eyes is the sexiest hot hatch of the 80s/ early 90s. It came on the market in 1986 and was produced until 1995. You can still see its features of its "butt" in the later produced c30. But you could also say the 480 turbo design was reminiscient of the old P1800 stationwagon.