Just a heads up. I have plans on making a best foods video and once I do this will make so much more sense to many of you who think you need the foods mentioned in the video. Also, go watch this video and you will see one example of how you don't th-cam.com/video/d2Z3m9XgYGE/w-d-xo.html And yes I know turnip stew is in that video but that's because it's about a different subject and the important thing to pay attention to is my hp and stam stats.
Looking forward to the best foods one. I've settled on Onion Soup, Bread and Fish Wraps. Two single-ingredient foods, one two-ingredient food, and you only need to produce two resources (Onions, Barley) and gather one (Fish) in order to sustain it. With tamed Lox all around my base, combat in Plains has become optional. I prefer just running around aggroing mobs and leading them to my Lox, who crush them like bugs. So high Stam is more beneficial than high Health for me. High Stam is also great for fishing. Another benefit of the tamed Lox is that they farm Stone and Wood for you. Their ground slam attack dislodges stones even if there are no boulders in the area. And they also destroy any trees and bushes, not just while attacking but also when running around frightened afterwards. One of my Lox wandered into a heavily wooded Meadows adjoining the Plains. Dear lord, the amount of wood this thing is gathering for me is just insane. It attacks everything - Greylings, Boars, Necks, Deer - and knocks down trees in the process. It often even smashes the felled trunks into planks for me. Dang but these things are useful. It takes nearly two days to tame them and you have to be in the vicinity the whole time. But after that it's just profit.
Actually, the turnip stew for me is still really good. Turnips are always easy to get, boar meat is useless in most other foods anyways, and the 55 stamina is great up until you get around the plains at least. Once your get onion soup it's infinitely more renewable and easier and better, and if you're going hard stamina the turnip stew is great till later game with barley. (I've got a chest half full of turnip stew because of house fast I can keep cooking them over time)
That said, I also understand this was purely done for 'efficiency', not just if you want hp/stamina and what stage of the game your are one. Most of these other ones are definitely pretty bad though for keeping up with sustainability
Agreed. Turnip stew + sausage give me 73 stat in both hp and stamina with the same duration of 25 min and a free slot for 1 more food depending on the situations. Definitely my go-to food combo for the swamp.
@@PhuongTran-hm4dy for real...I'm still in the mountains even though I I have maxed silver gear because I'm building a huge base, but I pretty much only farm turnips and onions now. Carrots definitely nerfed with this update for the soup, but I still keep a few around for backup stamina build if I dont wanna use the new desserts which take greydwarf eyes/ooze which are more limited to farm. But the turnip stew and onion soup give a ton of stamina together for mid game and aren't hard at all to come by
@@ScarryHarry93 True, and the more you play the game, the less scarce these veggies become thanks to farming. Just 1 harvest and I literally swim in turnips and onions 😂
Agreed. If you go for 1 health 2 stamina, until you get onions I'd say going for sausages, carrot soup and turnip stew is the easy combination. If you want to go for 2 health and 1 stamina you can still use all your turnips for the stew, and go for cooked fish or wolf meat as the second hp food and it's almost the same as black soup.
I love the change to Sausages. As it was, it used to drive me crazy that my Entrails were piling up in the storage but I could never keep up with Thistles. Four Thistles for Sausages was just insane. Swapping it around to be four Entrails and one Thistle for Sausages is sooooo much better. Although Thistles have gone from being one of the most-used to one of the least-used resources now. I'm actually running past Thistles now, something I never did before. They also need to revisit Honey. It was a staple in the old game due to the 5HP regen per tick. It was also useful to eat while pottering around your base, just a bit of Health and Stam so that you're not totally flat in case of a surprise attack. Now it's mainly used in the Jerky recipes and Black Soup which are fine for mid-game but peter out in end-game. It's fine to have crops like Carrots and Turnips also peter out because you can just stop planting them and turn your fields over to Onions and Barley instead. But it feels off to have a bunch of Beehives which you never harvest. I suppose one can demolish them but you just know that you're going to need Honey for something five minutes after you've done that.
@@jabberwocky9968 yeah I guess those who rely on meads will still use Honey. I don't use meads beyond one Poison Resistance for the Bonemass fight, a few Frost Resistance meads until I get my Wolf Cape or Chest, and then maybe a half-dozen healing potions. After crafting those, I could happily delete my Fermenter and never miss it.
honey is still great for stamina. you get 35 stamina and you just need to pick it up at home. It's the best stamina food until you get carrot soups, and if you normally use two stamina foods, you're going to keep it with you until you get turnip stews. And it's still going to be useful when you don't need to use your best foods
Hey firespark. Idk if you'll read this but your videos helped me a ton in my playthrough of Valheim. Sitting at about 400+ hours myself and I'm not ashamed to say that I wouldn't have made it this far without your help. Your videos and guides are a huge help and I only hope you have more success in the future. Been a follower for a while now and I always watch your videos about Valheim before everyone elses. Cheers!
I also very much appreciate the content. I've got tons of hours in this game too, and really enjoying the update. I have to say the food situation is not really the change I was hoping for. I love the new building items and the tar pits, but miss having both my health and stamina very high with little effort. It would be nice if they reworked some of these less efficient foods into "balanced foods" which give equal health and stamina, making them worth choosing at times. There are only 2 "balanced" foods I've seen and they don't give enough total point value to be worth eating unless you don't have options or are just building for a while. I would have liked to see something like a lead for animals, making it easy to guide tamed creatures into or out of pens. I don't really like having to harpoon them. Doesn't feel right for a creature you can pet and name.
The only thing in this video I disagree with is the Muckshake. I personally think the Muckshake is marginally better than the Queen's Jam and worth the extra 'cost' in materials. Don't underestimate what 10 stamina can do for you in a pinch. For starters, there are very few uses for Ooze in the game. Your options are 1: Poison Arrows (there's usually better options) 2: Ooze Bombs (useless) and 3: Muckshakes. So the way I'd counter-argue the point made in the video is, for just 2 more Blueberries and an Ooze you probably aren't using for anything else anyway, you're getting 10 more Stamina and 2 more health for one of your limited food slots. To me, that's well worth 2 extra Blueberries and an otherwise worthless Ooze. I'd even call it a bargain. Don't get me wrong, I think Queen's Jam is a great food, useful at all stages of the game. It's so comparable to Muckshakes that if you don't have any Ooze, I'd say you're just fine with Queen's Jam. However, if you have any Ooze in stock, there's just not much justification to save few extra blueberries in favor of an inferior food.
Not food related but a few ideas for Valheim: 1. Perk system with different perk trees (Examples: Combat, Farming, Sneaking, Sailing etc...) and to unlock perks you have to spend Runepoints which you get from reading the runestones around the world. Would incentivise you to actually go and read them once you spot one. Perks would be as simple as for example: - 25% less chance to get staggered when staggerbar gets full. - Sailing is now 25% faster. - Rolling requires 20% less stamina. etc... 2. Farming Hat made out of Barley and Flax. Wild animals stay calm around you for 30 seconds after you've approached them. Would be used for easier taming late game and seeing acclimization. 3. Rope ladder. Would introduce us to rope that can be used for other new things aswell. Rope would be made out of 10 linen thread so it doesn't just lay in the chest unused. Ropeladder once placed would fall down 3-4 wall lengths and could be folded/unfolded with Shift-E. Could also add in that it can't be folded/unfolded by other players if the owner has placed it in a warded area. 4. A Serpent Scale Cape that requires Linen Thread, Silver and Serpent Scales to craft. This cape would stop the player from getting the wetness debuff.
Muckshake isn't that bad. It gives you a way to use up extra ooze. "You don't notice 10 stam" is a bad argument. 10 stam could be another attack, or a roll to save you from a 1 shot. It's 25% more stamina for 33% more blueberries, the HP/tick is what hurts though. How Muckshake made the list and boar jerky didn't I dunno. Either way food needs another balancing pass to get it where it needs to be. If they're going to lower HP/tick on all the upgraded stam foods, we need more options to increase stamina regen. And there are too many clear best foods (I'm looking at you sausages), and too many very clear bad options like some mentioned in this video.
On top of that, muchshakes can be combined with jam for even higher stamina early game. And we got loads of berries and plenty of ooze in our playthrough with friends.
Boar jerky is a passive food for me to use when not fighting as it keeps my stats on an acceptable level to run around bases doing farming and building. The duration is 30m which is a lot so I don’t have to eat as often. So it’s not completely useless :D
I hate the food system, so confusing and time consuming. I want to have fun I don't want to think what to have for dinner, I do that enough in real life.
Different people have different tastes so take my opinion with a grain of salt. It’s funny to me how people complain about the food system being complicated while playing a survival game in which you always have to try not to starve. Of course a diet of just grilled meat and neck tails still help you survive but if you want to gain the upper hand in more brutal biomes you have to put more thought into the diet.
Agree 100% on the deer stew; pretty underwhelming stuff when you get the Minced Meat Sauce right at the same time. But I gotta disagree on pretty much all the others. You seem to value stamina a lot less than I do at any rate. I've been settling on eating 1 health and 2 stamina foods when I'm planning on fighting, and a lot of these "second best" stamina foods you listed are some of my go to foods at certain points of the game. I also feel like some of these comparisons are right in line with each other even. The Queens Jam/ Muck Shake comparison for instance, you use 2 more blue berries and an ingredient that I almost always end up with way more than I know what to do with, and you get something that gives up very little (you do lose the one 1 hp per tick) for a pretty substantial stamina boost. And this can be important since now the stamina use for weapons goes up with their tier, so that 10 stamina could be the difference between getting that third hit in your combo off with your new weapon and stalling out mid combo. No disrespect by the way, I always watch your Valheim videos, just funny how different play styles can lead to very different opinions.
This, completely this. I don't know why this video has made a comparison of Sausages to Blood Pudding, but it's comparing a health food to a stamina food and i also value stamina way more than the poster seems to. You just don't need a big health bar for anything in the game, except perhaps taking on Yagluth. I will always run 2x Stamina foods and 1 Health food so Blood Pudding + Bread is the way to go. Furthermore, Bread requiring less ingredients to cook than Blood Pudding makes sense because Bread has the extra requirement of needing an Oven to craft. The alternative for a high stamina food would probably be Eyescream, but since you only get 1 frost gland per kill, and the slowing effect of Frost arrows being arguably better than the poisoning effect of a Needle arrow... i'd rather save my mats for arrows. Having said all this, Thistle is definitely a chore to farm and is the limiting ingredient on the Blood Pudding so 2 Thistle per 1 Blood Pudding is definitely Rough.
Interesting info, and nice comparisons. One that caught my eye was blood pudding compared to sausages. You mentioned how they compared in thistle usage, and the stat you dropped was a 4 to 1 ratio, when considering how many units of food produced for thistle used. But it is actually twice as bad as that. You spend 2 thistle to get one blood pudding, but you could produce 8 sausages with those same two thistle. That's an 8 to 1 ratio. Kinda eye popping. And thistle is a pain to collect for something consumed as much as food.
One variable you forgot is wether you play solo or on a server! When I first started, i though almost all foods were terrible to get, but once I played on a server i had fresh crops whenever I logged in. So turnips and carrots (and now onions and barley) aren't even a factor anymore. I value a single deer meat at about 100 turnips, in terms of effort
I totally agree with Deer Stew. It's the worst. And kinda agree with blood pudding cuz of the existence of bread kinda makes Blood Pudding irrelevant. But Turnip Stew is the best mid to late-game stamina food in terms of resources. ANd you compare it with HP foods. And that kinda show there ain't another alternative for Turnip Stew. It's the best Stamina food in mid to late game.
Personally, I think they could've added other stats to the various food to give better situational selections. Like have a certain food that gives a temporary running speed bonus, or carry strength bonus, or harvesting speed bonus, etc...
I guess their plan was to have players only make foods from a certain ‘basic food group’ in early game and early locations, and then as they progress, they will changed their menus to an ‘advance food group’ that use bloodbag, entrails,barley etc. to make the game more balance (no more 200+ hp/stam in early game), but the system are so broken that you got the same basic food stats with advance foods, only with insane quantity and harder to get materials. At the end of the game(period), we ended up with super low stats of high tier foods and the newly introduced foods(basic&advance) become pointless.
I agree and not agree with you :) For leveling you are absolutely right, but for end game i thing the foods are ok. For instance i have 3 blackmetal chests with foods -> "HP food", "Energy food" "Other food" On my "HP Food" chest i have (chest have 4 rows): 1. Serpent stew - 80hp 2. Lox meat pie - 75hp 3. Fish wraps - 70 hp 4. Wolf skewer - 65hp On my "Energy food" chest i have: 1. Bread - 75 stamina 2. Blood pudding - 70st 3. Eyescream - 65st 4. Onion soup - 60st On my "Other food" i have: Turnip Stew, Sausages (* i only cook them if i have extra resources) and everything else that is not requiring resources for the foods above. So if you look at the resources for this setup, you will find that the only resources that are repeated are Mushrooms and Barley Flour. For the end game both are very easy to obtain, so i don't think there is a problem. IMHO the problem is that energy food gives so little stamina :( Stamina in this patch is so nerfed, so i think they should add maybe like +10 stamina for all stamina foods.
So ... TLDR: Sausages, Bread and jam, and a bit of black soup when you need the extra iron in your diet? Sounds like the rustic foods will do you best, while the fancier "fine dining" options are all way more expensive for smaller portions. Pretty true to real life, I'd say.😁
I feel like gathering berries and mushrooms is now much easier there seem to be a increased amount of them spawning if you mark on your map when you find them and how many you can just run around and gather like literally 100's of these resources. Same works with flint and thistle, carrot and turnip seeds, dandelions and even yellow mushrooms(those respawn in the dungeons aswell(tip:put on map how many in dungeon)), they respawn in the same location. Also it appears that a workbench in the area does not block the respawning mechanics so you can have berry bushes quite literally next to your base.( I don't have anything build right next to them I have a wood floor size gap between them and my house and they respawn)
Even though the deer stew isn't the most resource efficient, it's still good as an extra good health food early game to put on top of other health foods so it might be worth it for boss fights.
@@nathanhuard6162 True, more often than not since we hunt a LOT of deer we have an excess of deer meat. Since we have lots of downtime in our base (building/smelting/farming/etc.) , we use Deer Stew as kind of the food for those periods where we just need some kind of health insurance in case of a sudden raid.
Yeah losing 5 or 10 of a stat per food adds up and can be the difference in a boss fight for sure. Been trying permadeath recently so I like to give myself the best odds of succeeding!
I've been using eyescream, wolf meat skewer and wolf jerky as my go to rations nowadays, mushrooms spawn easily and so long as I mark them on the map I know I can have a large supply indefinitely. Haven't gone to the plains yet but hopefully I'll find better rations there
I like the variety in the foods, as there's something useful to make with the random stuff you pick up while going to get other resources, and I think there are plenty of applications where Blood Pudding/Bread + Health Food will be solid in the plains for a stam build.
Yup like I stated at the top of the video not saying don't ever make these foods there are many cases in which you kinda have to use them. Just saying they shouldn't be your daily drivers. With the exception of deer stew just avoid that trash. Someone over there at Iron Gate dropped the ball on that one lol.
I just had the Queens jam/muckshake debate in my head this morning when I accidentally made Queens jam when I was going for Muckshake. I now see your point and will switch over. It is really annoying to have get lots of blueberrys and Ooze from blobs. So this makes tons of sense. I didn't even notice Deer stew was so dumb. I'm pretty much on strictly sausages, black soup, and now Queens jam for tanky stuff. I'll have to come up with another stam food for when I need to get around and avoid fights. No where near ready to get to plains for barley/bread.
Tbh that one made the least amount of sense to me from this video. You don't really don't use ooze for anything else so if you have alot just sitting there, you might as well use them.
@@marcelgolsteijn6047 yeah, had that same debate in my head. But sometimes it seems like I can't find any blueberries, so using those more efficiently also makes sense to me. I'll probably make a bit of both and see how things go.
You think exactly as I. I was completely baffled when i discovered the deer stew recipe. My first thought was to convinced myself it was an error when it was just a reality. Who in their right minds would not just eat the cooked deer meat but instead cook the deer stew ? Just this betrayed a little my expectations about the update and it seems to me there is not much thoughts behind the new food system. At last, the deer stew is pretty, i cooked it to put it on tables for my interior but that's the extent of it. I'm clearly not convinced with this new food system.
I'd just like to point out that you can feed boars almost anything -- including foraged mushrooms and raspberries, which I tend to have a surplus of being of the "always be gathering" mindset. I used to feed my boars farmed food but they're really not that picky!
true but as you cant farm those things they have much better uses now for some really good foods. But yes if you do have a ton of them then you can 100% use them to get more boar meat.
Thanks Spark! Haven't looked at all these values yet. And actually added some build pics on Discord, if you wanna see what I'm up to. See ya next stream ✌❤
I very much enjoy your video, been a avid player, since the game released and decided to start from scratch, new character, new world, to get the full a proper experience with the update and I have only just started to go into the mountains and I must say, the gameplay is overall harder and I enjoy that, but also somewhat annoyed, because you need to do a lot more farming and scavenging, just to get a continuous maintenance of a strong character. I understand the concept and fully agree with most of the changes, since the Scandinavians weren't all just vikings, most were farmers and ordinary people, but it just takes up so much time, playing alone has lost some of it's appeal. Not that I will stop playing, it just saddens me a bit, since I believe it could scare away alot of potential new players. Anyway that was a little rant, great video, looking forward to the next one. 🙂
Agreed, they could have just nerfed the foods a bit or a lot but this mix and match system is no good. It takes a long time to get a stable supply of turnips for example. By that time im allready in the next biome. Luckily modders fixed all of these problems.
@@dkangelmichael : not everything is bad, I mean you can carry more iron scrap, it goes faster mining it. The changes to the look of the meat is great (albiet the deer stew is useless). Farming carrots and turnips takes to long, since you need it regularly, so getting a enough is tedious. The sailing has vastly improved and I love that, you feel more like the sea is real. I don't mind the changes of the food, so much as I hate that you need to spend so much time on the cooking, there should be an option to make more food with a single click, and it's just silly you need a knife to kill the domisticated boars. I know alvor complain about the weapons, but I seriously haven't had much issues, I even went a bit into the fields, before the mountains (which was dam hard, the deathsquito almost got me). I still haven't gotten to a lox riding and I really can't see why they just didn't make horses, would have been much more efficient and time saving, if you could plow a field and havest faster. As it is now, it seems they have made it much less single player friendly and that's a dam shame.
This is a great idea for a video. I also was a little underwhelmed by the deer stew and realized there probably are times to just not make certain foods.
That is a lot of HP. Is that what you use all the time or just when you are looking for a fight? In most cases 150hp will prevent stagger hits from everything with 175 looking to be the sweet spot before diminishing returns kick in. At least that is what I am seeing from early testing.
But... Health is not important, and Stamina is. It's more efficient to be running around with 240 stamina and 75 health than it is to have a bunch of health you'll never need, having to stop every 30 seconds to regen stamina. Queens Jam vs Muck Shake is a close call, the others are just bad advice
Surely it's situational isn't it? Seeing as health affects how much you can block and parry now I'd run at least one health food if I was farming black metal for example, and 3 stamina foods if I was out exploring.
@@HolyCodzta Yeah, this is fair, although I will always go Lox Pie/Bread/Onion Soup, then get killed by a 2** Fuling and have to eat the same foods twice. False economy?! Depends how good your combat is, ultimately.
unless you like to block. cuz health increase your stagger pool as a side note: if you have 101+ hp you can't die from a fall damage(no matter the height) cuz it's capped at 100
I usually decide based on rare or hard to get ressourced. That means stuff like blueberries, blood sacks, and of course, thistles! Amount of ressources is really secondary
turnip stew while it's costly its one of the mid game stam food that gives u 55 stam on top of 2 hp/tick heals. not even eyescream gives 2 hp/tick tho its super good. 55-40(queenjam) both 2 hp/tick. u are losing alot on stam n thisgame have been even more brutal with stam.
Make onion soup instead. Its cheaper and better. If you cant get into the mountains for some reason make carrot stew its only 10 stamina difference. 10 stamina is one weapon swing in most cases. Its not that big of a loss but then again if you don't mind the efficiency then make turnips lol
This patch is really not any harder than before. I would even argue it is easier. You just need to be prepared for what you are getting into and not running around end game in troll armor like before.
@@Firespark81 I cannot argue with that. I am just saying that when they split the food types (hp/stam) they've balanced the game (IMHO), but not the food it self. Best HP food for now is 80 hp and best stam food is 75. Best cheap food is Sausages and best cheap stam food is Onion soup (bang for the buck). These foods are midgame at best and again for me the Sausages are cheaper :(. I think that for balancing the food stamina should be cheaper and gives you more. Don't get me wrong, if they nerf hp so that the stam food gives you more i am still fine with that. BTW the only guy that i know of running in planes with troll armor is FireSpark81 :D I've never had the courage :D
@vechrogazwow oh yea I will not argue food is a disaster right now. I have a spreadsheet I'm gonna show you all soon breaking down all the food and when you see all the info laid out in front of you, you gonna be like "wow Iron Gate learn how to make a spreadsheet" lol. A great example is a raw onion has the same stamina as queens jam and cloud berries. Why the heck does an mid to late mid game berry have the same stats as a early game food? Why does a single farmable vegetable have the same stats as a food that takes 14 resources to make? Sure the onion only last 15 min but who cares you can just keep eating them. One would argue that its even better it only last 15 min that means you can eat more often keeping the stats higher more often. And don't even get me started on carrot soup and onion soup.
Yeah i have been moving through a rerun slowly and already noticed a few foods that are a complete waste of time.Boar jerky was the most recent one i noticed to be a waste of time.O would say the majority of players are going 2 HP and 1 Stam but even with 2 Stam 1 HP there are still foods that fall in between and not worth making.
Boar jerky is cheap and lasts 30 minutes. Also you get two pieces of boar jerky per one chunk of meat. I used it all the time before I switched to mountains and got wolf meat.
I thought the Deer Stew was a missed opportunity for them to make another balanced food item (meat + "sugar", similar to boar jerky). Completely agree about it being wasted resources. Minced Meat will never happen because neck tail is too valuable for poison resistance.
We get it sausage op. Now what else are you eating? Also most the time I’m only worried about stamina since I’m in easy biomes so the health options really aren’t options. And I think your really underestimating 10 stamina. That’s ~10% more regen which is 10% more activities. I’m not spending 10% of my time farming food so it’s way worth it to get the better food
Go through early game, mid game and so on foods and other items as you get them. Also, what does your safe room look like? Do a good build video on a new homestead building with all the new build items
Probably because turnips are farmable and raspberries are not. If your base is in meadows you can get plenty of berries, but if not, it's probably not worth using them as boar food when you can just farm a bunch of turnips or carrots.
yeah not to mention the fact that each deer gives you 2 pieces of meat so you can grilled one and make a stew with the other to bypass the rule of one kind of food per meal.
I am now in the plains, looking for Yagluth. I have lvl two padded armor currently. And I am more than good with lox meat, sausages, and wolf jerky. Those are super easily farmable and give good enough stats for easily surviving in plains. What about growing foods. I find it too tedious. First, you go and plant stuff and if you plant 100+ pieces it takes a long time, and then you wait a few days and go back and collect the stuff, then you spend part of the stuff just to sow to get seeds, then you go back collect and sow again to get food again. It's too tedious and long and boring. And many of the other foods are too inefficient as the author of the video said. I think the devs should either rebalance sophisticated foods as blood pudding and stuff or add various small buffs such as +1% movement speed, various small resistances, higher jumps, -5% of stamina usage, something of that kind. Because clearly, they should give us an incentive to use sophisticated foods.
Where’s the deer jerky? It could easily be 25 and 25 and slot right in between boar and wolf jerky. And maybe Lox jerky. Now the game is still in early access so don’t think this is definitely going to be the final version. The devs may watch videos like this and follow some of the reasoning and make changes. So please keep up the good work.
I don't agree on black soup being better than turnip stew. Blood bags can be annoying to get, with leaches being hard to see. Turnips are dead easy to farm hundreds of. For mid game, I've found that farming boar and turnip is easy and low maintenance. Add in a draugr spawner, and I can farm 3/4 ingredients required for both good health and stamina food. Picking a few passive thistles is enough for lots of sausages now.
I have to disagree with you on turnip stew and muckshake. They are both swamp tier stamina foods, and the ONLY swamp tier stamina foods. Forgoing both puts you down 20 stamina in the swamp. I do notice the loss of 20 stamina, regardless of your assertions to the contrary. Almost every action you take uses stamina: running, jumping, blocking, swimming, shooting and striking. Having the constant wet debuff in the swamp really does hammer home that lack of 20 stamina. I do think turnip stew and muckshake are expensive, but if I am clambering around the swamp in troll hide, I want two best stamina foods for that tier and the rested buff.
Onion soup and carrot soup gives you 105 stamina. If you can get into the swamp to get turnips you can also get into the mountains to get onions. Ill show you in a future video. Also if you just replace turnip stew with carrot soup is only a 10 stam and 4hp loss.
@@Firespark81 You want to go into the mountains with troll armor, bronze weapons and black forest tier food? Yeah, I'll pass, thanks. Far easier to farm turnips, blueberries and ooze. You still need bloodbags for frost resistance mead. Might as well bite the bullet and go with turnip stew and muckshakes while you mine iron.
No you go into the mountains with level 3 bronze armor and a level 3 bronze buckler. It's really not that hard. With that set up and the right food you can handle the swamp really easily as well.
Like the video but comparing a Stam food vs a HP food is kinda apples and oranges. Sure once might be better or more efficient, unless you need that type of food.
Yes but there are better options for that specific type. So yea use whatever resources for the hp food instead of the stam food but then just make better stam food instead. Like Onion Soup for example.
The food is so infuriating. They tried to make it more complex, but it's so haphazardly done, it's ridiculous. It's a work in progress so no biggie. Revise, reiterate, rerelease. There's definitely some potential. Just frustrating because there's new resource sinks. Never used to bother much with boar farming as you could get a ton of meat from deer, now deer meat is fairly useless and you need boar meat much more. Edit: Carrot Soup is still pretty great and better than Queens Jam. Carrots are simple to farm and mushrooms aren't used in other stuff. It's only .5 more resources compared to the Jam and blueberries are terrible to forage.
Man i think most of these foods in the video aren't nearly as worthless as the deer stew even though there situational at best. Bloodpudding got nerfed but its not completely worthless since bloodbags aren't used too much and its arguably one of the 3 best stamina foods in the game so it combines pretty well with Bread and Eyes cream. Muckshake and turntip soup are two foods that are definetly not the worst. Muckshake gives you greater stamina with equal amount of berries for queens jam and also ooze is kinda almost worthless item in this game. Meanwhile turntip soup is pretty great in swamp levels and its easier to get compare to onions. Its also a stamina food so its very handy for mountain exploration if you don't have a reliable stamina food. Also mentioning boars jerky which is pretty bad on mid to late game but its only handy in meadows and compare it to deer stew, its bareable.
I feel like the developers "rebalancing" food was a rabbits hole. They arent going to be able to balance properly and take into account the difficulty to gather, the complexity to craft and at what stage in the game you acquire the recipes easily. Should have kept it simple.
Agree with most except the muckshake... Not gonna notice 10 stamina?? Are you kidding me??? The progression of foods are usually in increments of 5... that means the next better food gives you addtl 5 health or stamina.. here , muchshake gives you 10 more. So when you say it's not gonna make much of a difference, thats a lie. But what actually doesnt make much of a difference is that 1 addtl tick! My goodness.
The food changes and added cauldron upgrades are quite useless. They didn't make the changes to balance things out they made them so things people collected and had no use for could be used for something. Its best to just to goto nexus mods and get the Valheim old foot mod and dont waste time on all the new non sense they added. Because thats what it is, non sense.
The new foods and cauldron upgrades are not useless. Not everyone has the same playstyle and appreciates the various options--for usage, for decoration, for whatever. Variety is good. I can see how combat becomes harder now but to be real, combat was easy in this game, really not a difficult thing especially when you're full up on overpowered foods. It's a balance which is still in progress (being Early Access). Plus we have a lot more options to mess around with. That's not a bad thing. Valheim doesn't need to be this simple, stream-lined thing. But if you're really against it then sure, mod away. That does make the game easier for anyone who just doesn't like the vanilla game options.
'Food did not get nerfed'? Dood, yes it did. Top end stam went down by almost 33%, that is a /HUGE/ nerf. I really do hate this change to the top end, and I've resorted to shooting every, single thing w/bow now, because swinging weapons takes way too much stam.
They also rebalanced all the weapons and how shields work. Sounds to me like you are just not eating the right combo of foods. This game has always been about stamina management. They just made it even more apparent in this update.
I'm in late game and usually roll around with serpent stew, lox meat pie and bread and I really dislike how much stam weapon swings use also how fast stamina depletes when running uphill now.
Gotta disagree about the Turnip Stew. Both of the resources are infinitely renewable. You said it yourself. So who cares if it costs a bit more than with other foods? Also it is the strongest stamina food until you get to the Mountains.
Farming Draugr on a Draugr spwner is not as easy if you arent geared properly. I have the feeling that 1 and 2 Star Draugr spawn way more frequently and in my t3 trollarmor and bronzebuckler they kill me realy fast.
I fully disagree with your turnip stew. My combo of onion soup, turnip stew, and sausages is solid. all but thistle is farmable and you can pick up thistle easily. Remember these are early/mid game foods. Also with your muckshake 1hp/tick and 10 stamina is the difference between dying and out running something. 10 stamina is enough to jump out of the way or get another swing with your weapon. Several of these you are saying not to craft one food and break it into two foods. Since you only get three slots at a time that eliminates efficiency. Thanks for the video.
I have to agree, 10 stamina can be a world of difference when you need it... Considering you get access to this in the swamp, which is notorious for the worse stamina problems of any biome (always wet, night is cold and wet) the 10 additional stamina is huge. I always build my first base in an abandoned village with a good amount of raspberries around. So the only issue to me is the blueberries. I don't know how you'd navigate the swamp and not end up with a million ooze anyway.
I hate the new food system. There's no combination that get's me good stamina and health. I made the best of the best and it's the same as before the update but with so much more work.
@@koxacbka Two HP is not enough stamina. I'm running out of stamina too quickly. I have Blood Pudding, Bread for stamina and Lox Pie for HP. This is a decent combo but there's nothing more. It's over. There's no best combo. This is the max and it's decent. In the previous version, I played with decent combo but couldn't wait to unlock Lox pie and serpent stew so get the best. Now with the new update, the best has become the decent and there's nothing better.
@@Tony-nl6pf let's say it's a personal preference then. for me 1 stamina food + rested buff (you should always have one cuz it's easy to re-get. just sit near fire) + occasional stamina and\or tasty mead are enough. the only times i use 2 stamina foods are when i'm building\gathering resources and when i'm fighting a boss as a dedicated archer.
@@Firespark81 it's 14% more expensive but gives 25% more stamina????? Also don't even bother fitting ooze into the equation, ooze has literally no other use.
@@zaptrap4802 but who has ooze ? it is the first thing i drop from my inventory. In none of my playthroughs will you find a single ooze in any of my bases. You said it yourself : it is useless, why would i waste a inventory slot for this ?
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Just a heads up. I have plans on making a best foods video and once I do this will make so much more sense to many of you who think you need the foods mentioned in the video. Also, go watch this video and you will see one example of how you don't th-cam.com/video/d2Z3m9XgYGE/w-d-xo.html And yes I know turnip stew is in that video but that's because it's about a different subject and the important thing to pay attention to is my hp and stam stats.
Would be really handy to have a food guide per biome. Thanks for all your input!
Looking forward to the best foods one. I've settled on Onion Soup, Bread and Fish Wraps. Two single-ingredient foods, one two-ingredient food, and you only need to produce two resources (Onions, Barley) and gather one (Fish) in order to sustain it. With tamed Lox all around my base, combat in Plains has become optional. I prefer just running around aggroing mobs and leading them to my Lox, who crush them like bugs. So high Stam is more beneficial than high Health for me. High Stam is also great for fishing. Another benefit of the tamed Lox is that they farm Stone and Wood for you. Their ground slam attack dislodges stones even if there are no boulders in the area. And they also destroy any trees and bushes, not just while attacking but also when running around frightened afterwards. One of my Lox wandered into a heavily wooded Meadows adjoining the Plains. Dear lord, the amount of wood this thing is gathering for me is just insane. It attacks everything - Greylings, Boars, Necks, Deer - and knocks down trees in the process. It often even smashes the felled trunks into planks for me. Dang but these things are useful. It takes nearly two days to tame them and you have to be in the vicinity the whole time. But after that it's just profit.
was literally about to comment to ask this, thanks Firespark, keep up the good work :)
Actually, the turnip stew for me is still really good. Turnips are always easy to get, boar meat is useless in most other foods anyways, and the 55 stamina is great up until you get around the plains at least. Once your get onion soup it's infinitely more renewable and easier and better, and if you're going hard stamina the turnip stew is great till later game with barley. (I've got a chest half full of turnip stew because of house fast I can keep cooking them over time)
That said, I also understand this was purely done for 'efficiency', not just if you want hp/stamina and what stage of the game your are one. Most of these other ones are definitely pretty bad though for keeping up with sustainability
Agreed. Turnip stew + sausage give me 73 stat in both hp and stamina with the same duration of 25 min and a free slot for 1 more food depending on the situations. Definitely my go-to food combo for the swamp.
@@PhuongTran-hm4dy for real...I'm still in the mountains even though I I have maxed silver gear because I'm building a huge base, but I pretty much only farm turnips and onions now. Carrots definitely nerfed with this update for the soup, but I still keep a few around for backup stamina build if I dont wanna use the new desserts which take greydwarf eyes/ooze which are more limited to farm. But the turnip stew and onion soup give a ton of stamina together for mid game and aren't hard at all to come by
@@ScarryHarry93 True, and the more you play the game, the less scarce these veggies become thanks to farming. Just 1 harvest and I literally swim in turnips and onions 😂
Agreed. If you go for 1 health 2 stamina, until you get onions I'd say going for sausages, carrot soup and turnip stew is the easy combination. If you want to go for 2 health and 1 stamina you can still use all your turnips for the stew, and go for cooked fish or wolf meat as the second hp food and it's almost the same as black soup.
I love the change to Sausages. As it was, it used to drive me crazy that my Entrails were piling up in the storage but I could never keep up with Thistles. Four Thistles for Sausages was just insane. Swapping it around to be four Entrails and one Thistle for Sausages is sooooo much better. Although Thistles have gone from being one of the most-used to one of the least-used resources now. I'm actually running past Thistles now, something I never did before.
They also need to revisit Honey. It was a staple in the old game due to the 5HP regen per tick. It was also useful to eat while pottering around your base, just a bit of Health and Stam so that you're not totally flat in case of a surprise attack. Now it's mainly used in the Jerky recipes and Black Soup which are fine for mid-game but peter out in end-game. It's fine to have crops like Carrots and Turnips also peter out because you can just stop planting them and turn your fields over to Onions and Barley instead. But it feels off to have a bunch of Beehives which you never harvest. I suppose one can demolish them but you just know that you're going to need Honey for something five minutes after you've done that.
Do the mead recipes no longer require honey?
@@jabberwocky9968 yeah I guess those who rely on meads will still use Honey. I don't use meads beyond one Poison Resistance for the Bonemass fight, a few Frost Resistance meads until I get my Wolf Cape or Chest, and then maybe a half-dozen healing potions. After crafting those, I could happily delete my Fermenter and never miss it.
you still need honey for potions
I recommend wolf jerky. Not getting that 5 hp per tick but it’s abundant and perfect for just a daily driver.
honey is still great for stamina. you get 35 stamina and you just need to pick it up at home. It's the best stamina food until you get carrot soups, and if you normally use two stamina foods, you're going to keep it with you until you get turnip stews. And it's still going to be useful when you don't need to use your best foods
Hey firespark. Idk if you'll read this but your videos helped me a ton in my playthrough of Valheim. Sitting at about 400+ hours myself and I'm not ashamed to say that I wouldn't have made it this far without your help. Your videos and guides are a huge help and I only hope you have more success in the future. Been a follower for a while now and I always watch your videos about Valheim before everyone elses. Cheers!
That's cool to hear man
I also very much appreciate the content. I've got tons of hours in this game too, and really enjoying the update. I have to say the food situation is not really the change I was hoping for. I love the new building items and the tar pits, but miss having both my health and stamina very high with little effort. It would be nice if they reworked some of these less efficient foods into "balanced foods" which give equal health and stamina, making them worth choosing at times. There are only 2 "balanced" foods I've seen and they don't give enough total point value to be worth eating unless you don't have options or are just building for a while.
I would have liked to see something like a lead for animals, making it easy to guide tamed creatures into or out of pens. I don't really like having to harpoon them. Doesn't feel right for a creature you can pet and name.
EVERYONE: A game update has changed all of these stats
The only thing in this video I disagree with is the Muckshake. I personally think the Muckshake is marginally better than the Queen's Jam and worth the extra 'cost' in materials. Don't underestimate what 10 stamina can do for you in a pinch.
For starters, there are very few uses for Ooze in the game. Your options are 1: Poison Arrows (there's usually better options) 2: Ooze Bombs (useless) and 3: Muckshakes.
So the way I'd counter-argue the point made in the video is, for just 2 more Blueberries and an Ooze you probably aren't using for anything else anyway, you're getting 10 more Stamina and 2 more health for one of your limited food slots. To me, that's well worth 2 extra Blueberries and an otherwise worthless Ooze. I'd even call it a bargain.
Don't get me wrong, I think Queen's Jam is a great food, useful at all stages of the game. It's so comparable to Muckshakes that if you don't have any Ooze, I'd say you're just fine with Queen's Jam. However, if you have any Ooze in stock, there's just not much justification to save few extra blueberries in favor of an inferior food.
This video will be outdated next patch.
I agree on wasting the precious bloodbags. Medium health pots are too important, and I hate foraging the swamp for leeches
Not food related but a few ideas for Valheim:
1. Perk system with different perk trees (Examples: Combat, Farming, Sneaking, Sailing etc...) and to unlock perks you have to spend Runepoints which you get from reading the runestones around the world. Would incentivise you to actually go and read them once you spot one.
Perks would be as simple as for example:
- 25% less chance to get staggered when staggerbar gets full.
- Sailing is now 25% faster.
- Rolling requires 20% less stamina.
etc...
2. Farming Hat made out of Barley and Flax. Wild animals stay calm around you for 30 seconds after you've approached them. Would be used for easier taming late game and seeing acclimization.
3. Rope ladder. Would introduce us to rope that can be used for other new things aswell. Rope would be made out of 10 linen thread so it doesn't just lay in the chest unused. Ropeladder once placed would fall down 3-4 wall lengths and could be folded/unfolded with Shift-E. Could also add in that it can't be folded/unfolded by other players if the owner has placed it in a warded area.
4. A Serpent Scale Cape that requires Linen Thread, Silver and Serpent Scales to craft. This cape would stop the player from getting the wetness debuff.
Muckshake isn't that bad. It gives you a way to use up extra ooze. "You don't notice 10 stam" is a bad argument. 10 stam could be another attack, or a roll to save you from a 1 shot. It's 25% more stamina for 33% more blueberries, the HP/tick is what hurts though. How Muckshake made the list and boar jerky didn't I dunno.
Either way food needs another balancing pass to get it where it needs to be. If they're going to lower HP/tick on all the upgraded stam foods, we need more options to increase stamina regen. And there are too many clear best foods (I'm looking at you sausages), and too many very clear bad options like some mentioned in this video.
On top of that, muchshakes can be combined with jam for even higher stamina early game. And we got loads of berries and plenty of ooze in our playthrough with friends.
Boar jerky is a passive food for me to use when not fighting as it keeps my stats on an acceptable level to run around bases doing farming and building. The duration is 30m which is a lot so I don’t have to eat as often. So it’s not completely useless :D
I hate the food system, so confusing and time consuming. I want to have fun I don't want to think what to have for dinner, I do that enough in real life.
Different people have different tastes so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
It’s funny to me how people complain about the food system being complicated while playing a survival game in which you always have to try not to starve. Of course a diet of just grilled meat and neck tails still help you survive but if you want to gain the upper hand in more brutal biomes you have to put more thought into the diet.
Agree 100% on the deer stew; pretty underwhelming stuff when you get the Minced Meat Sauce right at the same time. But I gotta disagree on pretty much all the others. You seem to value stamina a lot less than I do at any rate. I've been settling on eating 1 health and 2 stamina foods when I'm planning on fighting, and a lot of these "second best" stamina foods you listed are some of my go to foods at certain points of the game. I also feel like some of these comparisons are right in line with each other even. The Queens Jam/ Muck Shake comparison for instance, you use 2 more blue berries and an ingredient that I almost always end up with way more than I know what to do with, and you get something that gives up very little (you do lose the one 1 hp per tick) for a pretty substantial stamina boost. And this can be important since now the stamina use for weapons goes up with their tier, so that 10 stamina could be the difference between getting that third hit in your combo off with your new weapon and stalling out mid combo.
No disrespect by the way, I always watch your Valheim videos, just funny how different play styles can lead to very different opinions.
This, completely this. I don't know why this video has made a comparison of Sausages to Blood Pudding, but it's comparing a health food to a stamina food and i also value stamina way more than the poster seems to. You just don't need a big health bar for anything in the game, except perhaps taking on Yagluth. I will always run 2x Stamina foods and 1 Health food so Blood Pudding + Bread is the way to go. Furthermore, Bread requiring less ingredients to cook than Blood Pudding makes sense because Bread has the extra requirement of needing an Oven to craft. The alternative for a high stamina food would probably be Eyescream, but since you only get 1 frost gland per kill, and the slowing effect of Frost arrows being arguably better than the poisoning effect of a Needle arrow... i'd rather save my mats for arrows. Having said all this, Thistle is definitely a chore to farm and is the limiting ingredient on the Blood Pudding so 2 Thistle per 1 Blood Pudding is definitely Rough.
Interesting info, and nice comparisons. One that caught my eye was blood pudding compared to sausages. You mentioned how they compared in thistle usage, and the stat you dropped was a 4 to 1 ratio, when considering how many units of food produced for thistle used. But it is actually twice as bad as that. You spend 2 thistle to get one blood pudding, but you could produce 8 sausages with those same two thistle. That's an 8 to 1 ratio. Kinda eye popping. And thistle is a pain to collect for something consumed as much as food.
Turnip Stew poor stats are somewhat easy to understand, as it can be made without foraging and without coming near Fuling settlements
One variable you forgot is wether you play solo or on a server!
When I first started, i though almost all foods were terrible to get, but once I played on a server i had fresh crops whenever I logged in. So turnips and carrots (and now onions and barley) aren't even a factor anymore. I value a single deer meat at about 100 turnips, in terms of effort
I totally agree with Deer Stew. It's the worst.
And kinda agree with blood pudding cuz of the existence of bread kinda makes Blood Pudding irrelevant.
But Turnip Stew is the best mid to late-game stamina food in terms of resources. ANd you compare it with HP foods. And that kinda show there ain't another alternative for Turnip Stew. It's the best Stamina food in mid to late game.
Personally, I think they could've added other stats to the various food to give better situational selections. Like have a certain food that gives a temporary running speed bonus, or carry strength bonus, or harvesting speed bonus, etc...
Shouldn't have been food. Could have been mead. Like tasty mead for stamina, sour mead for carry strength, etc.
Yes please
Yea I agree that would be freaking awesome! You should suggest that to them.
@@RaZeyLWindBladE and a mead to increase mining speed or reduce the stamina cost for it like the elder buff would be great
I guess their plan was to have players only make foods from a certain ‘basic food group’ in early game and early locations, and then as they progress, they will changed their menus to an ‘advance food group’ that use bloodbag, entrails,barley etc. to make the game more balance (no more 200+ hp/stam in early game), but the system are so broken that you got the same basic food stats with advance foods, only with insane quantity and harder to get materials. At the end of the game(period), we ended up with super low stats of high tier foods and the newly introduced foods(basic&advance) become pointless.
I agree and not agree with you :)
For leveling you are absolutely right, but for end game i thing the foods are ok.
For instance i have 3 blackmetal chests with foods -> "HP food", "Energy food" "Other food"
On my "HP Food" chest i have (chest have 4 rows):
1. Serpent stew - 80hp
2. Lox meat pie - 75hp
3. Fish wraps - 70 hp
4. Wolf skewer - 65hp
On my "Energy food" chest i have:
1. Bread - 75 stamina
2. Blood pudding - 70st
3. Eyescream - 65st
4. Onion soup - 60st
On my "Other food" i have:
Turnip Stew, Sausages (* i only cook them if i have extra resources) and everything else that is not requiring resources for the foods above.
So if you look at the resources for this setup, you will find that the only resources that are repeated are Mushrooms and Barley Flour.
For the end game both are very easy to obtain, so i don't think there is a problem.
IMHO the problem is that energy food gives so little stamina :(
Stamina in this patch is so nerfed, so i think they should add maybe like +10 stamina for all stamina foods.
Muckshake for me is a way to spend ooze. Am I the only one who has shitload of it?
Exactly, I feel like I trip on full stacks of it just running through the swamp.
I mean you're free to use trash food if you want but black soup in Queens Jam are right there at the bottom with a deer stew
So ... TLDR: Sausages, Bread and jam, and a bit of black soup when you need the extra iron in your diet?
Sounds like the rustic foods will do you best, while the fancier "fine dining" options are all way more expensive for smaller portions. Pretty true to real life, I'd say.😁
Lol
Bread, wolf jerky, lox pie is my go to combo.
I feel like gathering berries and mushrooms is now much easier there seem to be a increased amount of them spawning if you mark on your map when you find them and how many you can just run around and gather like literally 100's of these resources. Same works with flint and thistle, carrot and turnip seeds, dandelions and even yellow mushrooms(those respawn in the dungeons aswell(tip:put on map how many in dungeon)), they respawn in the same location. Also it appears that a workbench in the area does not block the respawning mechanics so you can have berry bushes quite literally next to your base.( I don't have anything build right next to them I have a wood floor size gap between them and my house and they respawn)
Even though the deer stew isn't the most resource efficient, it's still good as an extra good health food early game to put on top of other health foods so it might be worth it for boss fights.
Yeah the deer meat is so easy to get, maybe we just don't farm boar properly.
Deer stew seemed so efficient at least for us, materiel wise
@@nathanhuard6162 True, more often than not since we hunt a LOT of deer we have an excess of deer meat. Since we have lots of downtime in our base (building/smelting/farming/etc.) , we use Deer Stew as kind of the food for those periods where we just need some kind of health insurance in case of a sudden raid.
@@nathanhuard6162 Yeah, it's really not bad. Only one carrot and one blueberry for a decently better version.
Also he says 5 health is not that big a deal but it is in the early game when you only have 50 health vs 55.
They may technically bad foods in terms of efficiency, however, if you are looking to min/max for a boss fight, they still have their use.
Yeah losing 5 or 10 of a stat per food adds up and can be the difference in a boss fight for sure. Been trying permadeath recently so I like to give myself the best odds of succeeding!
I've been using eyescream, wolf meat skewer and wolf jerky as my go to rations nowadays, mushrooms spawn easily and so long as I mark them on the map I know I can have a large supply indefinitely. Haven't gone to the plains yet but hopefully I'll find better rations there
I like the variety in the foods, as there's something useful to make with the random stuff you pick up while going to get other resources, and I think there are plenty of applications where Blood Pudding/Bread + Health Food will be solid in the plains for a stam build.
I agree but i think this video wanted to show that if you had to pick of food you would choose bread and not be scammed by blood pudding
Yup like I stated at the top of the video not saying don't ever make these foods there are many cases in which you kinda have to use them. Just saying they shouldn't be your daily drivers. With the exception of deer stew just avoid that trash. Someone over there at Iron Gate dropped the ball on that one lol.
I drank a muckshake, then vomited it all over my wolf fur cape.
Things still need balancing but alot of what you said is very subjective. For example I think queens jam is the worst thing in the game right now.
Whaaaaaat?!??!?!?!?!
Yep. I think Deer stew and Queens jam are the worst.
FTR Raspberries look NOTHING like Raspberries,they look like Strawberries ..lol.
I just had the Queens jam/muckshake debate in my head this morning when I accidentally made Queens jam when I was going for Muckshake. I now see your point and will switch over. It is really annoying to have get lots of blueberrys and Ooze from blobs. So this makes tons of sense. I didn't even notice Deer stew was so dumb. I'm pretty much on strictly sausages, black soup, and now Queens jam for tanky stuff. I'll have to come up with another stam food for when I need to get around and avoid fights. No where near ready to get to plains for barley/bread.
Tbh that one made the least amount of sense to me from this video. You don't really don't use ooze for anything else so if you have alot just sitting there, you might as well use them.
@@marcelgolsteijn6047 yeah, had that same debate in my head. But sometimes it seems like I can't find any blueberries, so using those more efficiently also makes sense to me. I'll probably make a bit of both and see how things go.
You think exactly as I. I was completely baffled when i discovered the deer stew recipe. My first thought was to convinced myself it was an error when it was just a reality. Who in their right minds would not just eat the cooked deer meat but instead cook the deer stew ? Just this betrayed a little my expectations about the update and it seems to me there is not much thoughts behind the new food system. At last, the deer stew is pretty, i cooked it to put it on tables for my interior but that's the extent of it. I'm clearly not convinced with this new food system.
Yeah, more refined food should at least have +10
I'd just like to point out that you can feed boars almost anything -- including foraged mushrooms and raspberries, which I tend to have a surplus of being of the "always be gathering" mindset. I used to feed my boars farmed food but they're really not that picky!
true but as you cant farm those things they have much better uses now for some really good foods. But yes if you do have a ton of them then you can 100% use them to get more boar meat.
Thanks Spark! Haven't looked at all these values yet. And actually added some build pics on Discord, if you wanna see what I'm up to. See ya next stream ✌❤
Awesome video, thanks! Im still in the Bronze Age. I still haven’t killed the Elder yet.
I very much enjoy your video, been a avid player, since the game released and decided to start from scratch, new character, new world, to get the full a proper experience with the update and I have only just started to go into the mountains and I must say, the gameplay is overall harder and I enjoy that, but also somewhat annoyed, because you need to do a lot more farming and scavenging, just to get a continuous maintenance of a strong character. I understand the concept and fully agree with most of the changes, since the Scandinavians weren't all just vikings, most were farmers and ordinary people, but it just takes up so much time, playing alone has lost some of it's appeal. Not that I will stop playing, it just saddens me a bit, since I believe it could scare away alot of potential new players.
Anyway that was a little rant, great video, looking forward to the next one. 🙂
Agreed, they could have just nerfed the foods a bit or a lot but this mix and match system is no good. It takes a long time to get a stable supply of turnips for example. By that time im allready in the next biome. Luckily modders fixed all of these problems.
@@dkangelmichael : not everything is bad, I mean you can carry more iron scrap, it goes faster mining it. The changes to the look of the meat is great (albiet the deer stew is useless). Farming carrots and turnips takes to long, since you need it regularly, so getting a enough is tedious. The sailing has vastly improved and I love that, you feel more like the sea is real.
I don't mind the changes of the food, so much as I hate that you need to spend so much time on the cooking, there should be an option to make more food with a single click, and it's just silly you need a knife to kill the domisticated boars.
I know alvor complain about the weapons, but I seriously haven't had much issues, I even went a bit into the fields, before the mountains (which was dam hard, the deathsquito almost got me).
I still haven't gotten to a lox riding and I really can't see why they just didn't make horses, would have been much more efficient and time saving, if you could plow a field and havest faster.
As it is now, it seems they have made it much less single player friendly and that's a dam shame.
@@angel666oflight You can kill your boars with any AOE weapon. Just turn friendly fire on ;)
@@vechrogazwow Great, thanks for the information, didn't think of that playing alone :-D
@@angel666oflight I didn't know it either. Saw it in a youtube clip. Maybe even here :P Btw just to claryfy not ONLY AOE weapons.
F in chat for old blood pudding =(
good to see you back FireSpark, great content as always
They made stamina massively worse with H&H. They listened to criticism and tweaked it slightly.
Standing around doing nothing waiting for a stamina bar to regen is not my idea of fun.
This is a great idea for a video. I also was a little underwhelmed by the deer stew and realized there probably are times to just not make certain foods.
Next will be foods you should be making. Basically most efficient foods list.
I agree about blood pudding. They literally nerfed it so bad.
I changed my food to Serpent Stew + Lox Pie + Bread.
That is a lot of HP. Is that what you use all the time or just when you are looking for a fight? In most cases 150hp will prevent stagger hits from everything with 175 looking to be the sweet spot before diminishing returns kick in. At least that is what I am seeing from early testing.
@@Firespark81 I use this food combo primarily when I travel into Plains. Two star fulings are no joke.
Wolf Skewers are really nice
I wish I wasn't hopeless with fishing that I could make Fish Wraps
Sausages always MVF
But... Health is not important, and Stamina is. It's more efficient to be running around with 240 stamina and 75 health than it is to have a bunch of health you'll never need, having to stop every 30 seconds to regen stamina. Queens Jam vs Muck Shake is a close call, the others are just bad advice
Surely it's situational isn't it? Seeing as health affects how much you can block and parry now I'd run at least one health food if I was farming black metal for example, and 3 stamina foods if I was out exploring.
@@HolyCodzta Yeah, this is fair, although I will always go Lox Pie/Bread/Onion Soup, then get killed by a 2** Fuling and have to eat the same foods twice. False economy?! Depends how good your combat is, ultimately.
unless you like to block. cuz health increase your stagger pool
as a side note: if you have 101+ hp you can't die from a fall damage(no matter the height) cuz it's capped at 100
I usually decide based on rare or hard to get ressourced.
That means stuff like blueberries, blood sacks, and of course, thistles!
Amount of ressources is really secondary
turnip stew while it's costly its one of the mid game stam food that gives u 55 stam on top of 2 hp/tick heals. not even eyescream gives 2 hp/tick tho its super good. 55-40(queenjam) both 2 hp/tick. u are losing alot on stam n thisgame have been even more brutal with stam.
Make onion soup instead. Its cheaper and better. If you cant get into the mountains for some reason make carrot stew its only 10 stamina difference. 10 stamina is one weapon swing in most cases. Its not that big of a loss but then again if you don't mind the efficiency then make turnips lol
@@Firespark81 Yes but on this patch every swing counts :(
This patch is really not any harder than before. I would even argue it is easier. You just need to be prepared for what you are getting into and not running around end game in troll armor like before.
@@Firespark81 I cannot argue with that. I am just saying that when they split the food types (hp/stam) they've balanced the game (IMHO), but not the food it self. Best HP food for now is 80 hp and best stam food is 75. Best cheap food is Sausages and best cheap stam food is Onion soup (bang for the buck). These foods are midgame at best and again for me the Sausages are cheaper :(. I think that for balancing the food stamina should be cheaper and gives you more. Don't get me wrong, if they nerf hp so that the stam food gives you more i am still fine with that.
BTW the only guy that i know of running in planes with troll armor is FireSpark81 :D I've never had the courage :D
@vechrogazwow oh yea I will not argue food is a disaster right now. I have a spreadsheet I'm gonna show you all soon breaking down all the food and when you see all the info laid out in front of you, you gonna be like "wow Iron Gate learn how to make a spreadsheet" lol. A great example is a raw onion has the same stamina as queens jam and cloud berries. Why the heck does an mid to late mid game berry have the same stats as a early game food? Why does a single farmable vegetable have the same stats as a food that takes 14 resources to make? Sure the onion only last 15 min but who cares you can just keep eating them.
One would argue that its even better it only last 15 min that means you can eat more often keeping the stats higher more often. And don't even get me started on carrot soup and onion soup.
Yeah i have been moving through a rerun slowly and already noticed a few foods that are a complete waste of time.Boar jerky was the most recent one i noticed to be a waste of time.O would say the majority of players are going 2 HP and 1 Stam but even with 2 Stam 1 HP there are still foods that fall in between and not worth making.
Boar jerky is cheap and lasts 30 minutes. Also you get two pieces of boar jerky per one chunk of meat. I used it all the time before I switched to mountains and got wolf meat.
I thought the Deer Stew was a missed opportunity for them to make another balanced food item (meat + "sugar", similar to boar jerky). Completely agree about it being wasted resources. Minced Meat will never happen because neck tail is too valuable for poison resistance.
In summary, make sausages, black soup, and jam
Bread, sausages and fishwraps
Newer player here. This was very helpful. Thanks
We get it sausage op. Now what else are you eating? Also most the time I’m only worried about stamina since I’m in easy biomes so the health options really aren’t options. And I think your really underestimating 10 stamina. That’s ~10% more regen which is 10% more activities. I’m not spending 10% of my time farming food so it’s way worth it to get the better food
Go through early game, mid game and so on foods and other items as you get them. Also, what does your safe room look like? Do a good build video on a new homestead building with all the new build items
Why do you feed your turnip to boars? I have always given them raspberries.
Probably because turnips are farmable and raspberries are not. If your base is in meadows you can get plenty of berries, but if not, it's probably not worth using them as boar food when you can just farm a bunch of turnips or carrots.
Oh also awesome video as always FS, love your Valheim (and other) content
blood puddings use for more building for high stam really the only effective
Nice surprise from the devs today, went to move my maypole and it's now gone....😲
It was only craftable during the midsummer.
Yeah go figure... During the “Hearth and Home” update they made a furniture item limited time...
I dislike what they did to the health/stamina food system.
for my i had a problem where i had much more deer spawns than pigs.. and i had to use deer stew alot
yeah not to mention the fact that each deer gives you 2 pieces of meat so you can grilled one and make a stew with the other to bypass the rule of one kind of food per meal.
I am now in the plains, looking for Yagluth. I have lvl two padded armor currently. And I am more than good with lox meat, sausages, and wolf jerky. Those are super easily farmable and give good enough stats for easily surviving in plains.
What about growing foods. I find it too tedious. First, you go and plant stuff and if you plant 100+ pieces it takes a long time, and then you wait a few days and go back and collect the stuff, then you spend part of the stuff just to sow to get seeds, then you go back collect and sow again to get food again. It's too tedious and long and boring.
And many of the other foods are too inefficient as the author of the video said. I think the devs should either rebalance sophisticated foods as blood pudding and stuff or add various small buffs such as +1% movement speed, various small resistances, higher jumps, -5% of stamina usage, something of that kind. Because clearly, they should give us an incentive to use sophisticated foods.
I would never use raspberries in food, too valuable for health potions.
Where’s the deer jerky? It could easily be 25 and 25 and slot right in between boar and wolf jerky. And maybe Lox jerky.
Now the game is still in early access so don’t think this is definitely going to be the final version. The devs may watch videos like this and follow some of the reasoning and make changes. So please keep up the good work.
Right!! They totally screwed the pooch on that one.
I don't agree on black soup being better than turnip stew. Blood bags can be annoying to get, with leaches being hard to see. Turnips are dead easy to farm hundreds of. For mid game, I've found that farming boar and turnip is easy and low maintenance. Add in a draugr spawner, and I can farm 3/4 ingredients required for both good health and stamina food. Picking a few passive thistles is enough for lots of sausages now.
I have to disagree with you on turnip stew and muckshake. They are both swamp tier stamina foods, and the ONLY swamp tier stamina foods. Forgoing both puts you down 20 stamina in the swamp. I do notice the loss of 20 stamina, regardless of your assertions to the contrary. Almost every action you take uses stamina: running, jumping, blocking, swimming, shooting and striking. Having the constant wet debuff in the swamp really does hammer home that lack of 20 stamina.
I do think turnip stew and muckshake are expensive, but if I am clambering around the swamp in troll hide, I want two best stamina foods for that tier and the rested buff.
Onion soup and carrot soup gives you 105 stamina. If you can get into the swamp to get turnips you can also get into the mountains to get onions. Ill show you in a future video. Also if you just replace turnip stew with carrot soup is only a 10 stam and 4hp loss.
@@Firespark81 You want to go into the mountains with troll armor, bronze weapons and black forest tier food? Yeah, I'll pass, thanks. Far easier to farm turnips, blueberries and ooze. You still need bloodbags for frost resistance mead. Might as well bite the bullet and go with turnip stew and muckshakes while you mine iron.
No you go into the mountains with level 3 bronze armor and a level 3 bronze buckler. It's really not that hard. With that set up and the right food you can handle the swamp really easily as well.
Like the video but comparing a Stam food vs a HP food is kinda apples and oranges. Sure once might be better or more efficient, unless you need that type of food.
Yes but there are better options for that specific type. So yea use whatever resources for the hp food instead of the stam food but then just make better stam food instead. Like Onion Soup for example.
The food is so infuriating. They tried to make it more complex, but it's so haphazardly done, it's ridiculous. It's a work in progress so no biggie. Revise, reiterate, rerelease. There's definitely some potential. Just frustrating because there's new resource sinks. Never used to bother much with boar farming as you could get a ton of meat from deer, now deer meat is fairly useless and you need boar meat much more.
Edit: Carrot Soup is still pretty great and better than Queens Jam. Carrots are simple to farm and mushrooms aren't used in other stuff. It's only .5 more resources compared to the Jam and blueberries are terrible to forage.
Firespark, are you going to do New World vids once it goes live next week?
Thanks for the breakdown!
Man i think most of these foods in the video aren't nearly as worthless as the deer stew even though there situational at best.
Bloodpudding got nerfed but its not completely worthless since bloodbags aren't used too much and its arguably one of the 3 best stamina foods in the game so it combines pretty well with Bread and Eyes cream.
Muckshake and turntip soup are two foods that are definetly not the worst. Muckshake gives you greater stamina with equal amount of berries for queens jam and also ooze is kinda almost worthless item in this game. Meanwhile turntip soup is pretty great in swamp levels and its easier to get compare to onions. Its also a stamina food so its very handy for mountain exploration if you don't have a reliable stamina food.
Also mentioning boars jerky which is pretty bad on mid to late game but its only handy in meadows and compare it to deer stew, its bareable.
I feel like the developers "rebalancing" food was a rabbits hole. They arent going to be able to balance properly and take into account the difficulty to gather, the complexity to craft and at what stage in the game you acquire the recipes easily. Should have kept it simple.
Agree with most except the muckshake... Not gonna notice 10 stamina?? Are you kidding me??? The progression of foods are usually in increments of 5... that means the next better food gives you addtl 5 health or stamina.. here , muchshake gives you 10 more. So when you say it's not gonna make much of a difference, thats a lie. But what actually doesnt make much of a difference is that 1 addtl tick! My goodness.
He literally said in the beginning as a disclaimer that you may or may not use these and it’s fine if you do? So stop complaining
@@Perfectard yeah stop complaining... I'm just giving a comment in the comment section... You stop complaining, "perfectard"
@@aduntoridas010 not complaining, literally pointing out that it’s pointless after he said what he did.
Informational video ftw! 💜
yeaa but neck tails are exponentially harder to get then the deer meet blue berries and carrots
jo, they really added a woodlog to sit on? :D this is what i wanted to add with a mod, havent figured out how to create a mod myself yet tho.
I still feel they need another balance pass at food and return on investment with ingredients.
The food changes and added cauldron upgrades are quite useless. They didn't make the changes to balance things out they made them so things people collected and had no use for could be used for something. Its best to just to goto nexus mods and get the Valheim old foot mod and dont waste time on all the new non sense they added. Because thats what it is, non sense.
I think they did it to make the combat harder.
The new foods and cauldron upgrades are not useless. Not everyone has the same playstyle and appreciates the various options--for usage, for decoration, for whatever. Variety is good. I can see how combat becomes harder now but to be real, combat was easy in this game, really not a difficult thing especially when you're full up on overpowered foods. It's a balance which is still in progress (being Early Access). Plus we have a lot more options to mess around with. That's not a bad thing. Valheim doesn't need to be this simple, stream-lined thing. But if you're really against it then sure, mod away. That does make the game easier for anyone who just doesn't like the vanilla game options.
The next minor update change any of this?
Funny to see someone else's brain work in a similar way xd
Bread I just Think bread is better is a little better but you get 2 bread
But my Viking is Vegan, and also a cyclist.
TurnUP... TurnUP... TurnUP.... xD
What other food is ooze use for?
What about sandwiches?
Nothing wrong with deer stew. When you foraging the dark forest you get lots of deer, blueberries, and carrots.
Smoke em if you got em~
This was before balance changes. Deer stew went from 40 to 45 hp and 13 to 15 stamina. Much more worthwhile now.
Great video, you sound like you're from Baltimore or Philly.
In most cases I am building or gathering and stamina is all I need
You don't want to eat your soup i see !! :D
they altered Boars to east berries so no more using those carrots and turnips
You could feed them berries before Hearth and Home.
@@crystalising they retconned it in a patch after hearth and home because of a backlash from players read it in the patch notes
How about a best food guide?
'Food did not get nerfed'? Dood, yes it did. Top end stam went down by almost 33%, that is a /HUGE/ nerf. I really do hate this change to the top end, and I've resorted to shooting every, single thing w/bow now, because swinging weapons takes way too much stam.
polearms are actually quite good now, on both damage and stamina useage. i main them now
They also rebalanced all the weapons and how shields work. Sounds to me like you are just not eating the right combo of foods. This game has always been about stamina management. They just made it even more apparent in this update.
I'm in late game and usually roll around with serpent stew, lox meat pie and bread and I really dislike how much stam weapon swings use also how fast stamina depletes when running uphill now.
Gotta disagree about the Turnip Stew. Both of the resources are infinitely renewable. You said it yourself. So who cares if it costs a bit more than with other foods? Also it is the strongest stamina food until you get to the Mountains.
Farming Draugr on a Draugr spwner is not as easy if you arent geared properly. I have the feeling that 1 and 2 Star Draugr spawn way more frequently and in my t3 trollarmor and bronzebuckler they kill me realy fast.
If you back away and only attack after they swing and miss, you should be fine.
Git gud
Get some iron armor. Who is in the swamp with troll armor.
@@poka8517 The guy who doesn't need iron armour. Troll is good up until wolf armour. If you really want it's fine for the plains as well.
@@gringadoor5385 but it would take only one or two graves to build a solid iron armor.i don't get y you would skip it.
I feel like the more complicated food should make up the sum of it's parts
They spended how long on this update, its typical swedish guys to do the cooking wrong, but where is my Surstrømming
What's that ?
Lol
I fully disagree with your turnip stew. My combo of onion soup, turnip stew, and sausages is solid. all but thistle is farmable and you can pick up thistle easily. Remember these are early/mid game foods.
Also with your muckshake 1hp/tick and 10 stamina is the difference between dying and out running something. 10 stamina is enough to jump out of the way or get another swing with your weapon. Several of these you are saying not to craft one food and break it into two foods. Since you only get three slots at a time that eliminates efficiency.
Thanks for the video.
I have to agree, 10 stamina can be a world of difference when you need it... Considering you get access to this in the swamp, which is notorious for the worse stamina problems of any biome (always wet, night is cold and wet) the 10 additional stamina is huge. I always build my first base in an abandoned village with a good amount of raspberries around. So the only issue to me is the blueberries. I don't know how you'd navigate the swamp and not end up with a million ooze anyway.
You say Blood Pudding isn’t good but yet you have it eaten the entire video…
Lmao you think I'm actually playing. Its a guide in which I am in god mode and only care about max stamina.
Fire spark if you care about Max stamina and you are using blood pudding doesn't that mean it is good for stamina
Turn Ups!
Thank you
I hate the new food system. There's no combination that get's me good stamina and health. I made the best of the best and it's the same as before the update but with so much more work.
lox pie + serpent stew + bread. pretty nice 200 hp and a lot of stamina to kill anything (especially with tasy\stamina meads)
@@koxacbka Two HP is not enough stamina. I'm running out of stamina too quickly. I have Blood Pudding, Bread for stamina and Lox Pie for HP. This is a decent combo but there's nothing more. It's over. There's no best combo. This is the max and it's decent. In the previous version, I played with decent combo but couldn't wait to unlock Lox pie and serpent stew so get the best. Now with the new update, the best has become the decent and there's nothing better.
@@Tony-nl6pf let's say it's a personal preference then.
for me 1 stamina food + rested buff (you should always have one cuz it's easy to re-get. just sit near fire) + occasional stamina and\or tasty mead are enough.
the only times i use 2 stamina foods are when i'm building\gathering resources and when i'm fighting a boss as a dedicated archer.
@@koxacbka That's not the point I was making, that was the first sentence I wrote. The rest is the problem with the update.
Try using one stamina, one health, and a jerky (low level jerky being mushrooms) the idea is you have to sacrifice one stat for the other, I like it
If you only het 1x food for all the ingredients, it should add up all the ingredients' stats
I highly disagree with most of these, gonna move on
yea this video is out dated. Sorry I forgot to put it in the title.
@@Firespark81 all good man. :) no hard feelings
Nah, muckshake better
^ This dude don't math lol
@@Firespark81 it's 14% more expensive but gives 25% more stamina????? Also don't even bother fitting ooze into the equation, ooze has literally no other use.
@@zaptrap4802 but who has ooze ? it is the first thing i drop from my inventory. In none of my playthroughs will you find a single ooze in any of my bases. You said it yourself : it is useless, why would i waste a inventory slot for this ?
Ooze is used for ooze bombs which got a buff in this patch and is great for fulling camps and Tar pits. Also, 25% more stamina compared to what?
Deer stew and blood pudding are bad deals, the rest of what you said I disagree with.
Yo
I don't really like how they are making valheim into a cooking/eating simulator instead of a fun viking game.