My wife picked up a Ruger SR22 that, with cheap bulk ammo, rarely makes it through a full magazine. I will put 10 mags or so through this gun every time I go to the range for the tap-rack and general jam clearing practice.
Wow. Reminds me of tactical response Instructor going down range to take pictures when students were shooting a the targets... I just bought the cmmg .22lr conversion kit for the same reason you have the mp15-22. Great video John.
I've said this before, coming from both a martial arts background and military background. Just because you have the experience, does not make you a good teacher.
The same 'learning' can be achieved with a rope, pulleys, a cart, target stands and some cardboard targets. Set up the cart with a target (bad guy) to traverse left to right, parallel to the firing line. Place other (good guy) cardboard along the same path. Have someone pull the cart so the bad guy moves between the good guys. Teachable moment; not every downrange person is a target and should not be shot or muzzled.
I built a CMMG .22lr AR with their dedicated .22lr upper and a CMMG LPK on an Anderson lower. I love it and so does my wife, kid and all our friends. The nice thing about it is it's an AR15, so any standard AR upper can be swapped on it or the upper can go on any standard lower.
I have the CMMG conversion kit. It works, but gets my AR quite dirty and it's not accurate. The twist rate of my AR's is 1/7 while my 10/22 is 1/16. I am considering something like your upper because I can shoot rimfire in my backyard.
I've been instructing tactical courses for 10 years now and any instructor who thinks he knows everything is an utter fool. I enjoy being a student as well and attend as much training as I can. When I was first learning my craft, I threw down the Bullshit flag to several of my instructors. If the drill was unsafe, I refused to participate.
Every student there failed being the Safety Officer. EVERYONE is a Safety Officer. I have Army infantry training...I don't go out and 'certify' people. I pay others with the proper credentials to do that properly for me...legal issues in mind, people. Keep everything legal including your training if it should come into question.
They could have got the same effect by putting paper targets in between the firing line and the target line. At least then if you shoot a non-threat target, you learn a lesson without killing someone.
Ever see Vickers video with Russian Counter Terror? Blowing smoke about their war stories? Corey and Erika? The M&P 15-22 - the platform prohibited from Appleseed classes.
Bad training can happen any place. I'm a certified Simunitions instructor. A number of years ago I took a class at a very well known school. The instructor conducted an unstructured Simunitions class and violated all of the safety protocols we were taught. It was bad.
Had a Performance Center 15-22 many years ago. Was hoping to build a rimfire SPR type gun. Long and short of the story was the gun was a massive disappointment. The forend had plug surrounding the barrel that is just clipped in with very minor tabs. Removed to free float the barrel and got an swivel stud type adapter for a Harris. The rifle using the bipod made it erratic. Off a pack doing my best to minimize load on the forend still got occasional random fliers. Gun had fliers with and without forend plug. Used CCI SV even though manual said not to use subsonic ammo. CCI ammo functioned fine...no failures to feed, fire, or eject. Odd they put a match chamber but yet tell you not to use match ammo. I had a AAC Aviator suppressor on the factory threaded muzzle and a Leupold 6-24 40mm VX3 on it. Groups were poor with just about every ammo tried due to the erratic fliers. Seen video of Jerry Michulec running one...very little of the gun was S&W M&P 15-22...like just the shell.
Great show. There's no way I would have shot this drill. I would have told the instructor that I couldn't participate, because it always seems in the department there is someone who quals a little low or worse just barely....and no way is that person is walking back and forth up range from me.
I have a Sako Quad that i built for the purpose of training long range shooting and comp shooting. Its name is Rex because its got no reach..... What started as a cheaper way to train, ended up as an obsession. This rifle has now cost me slightly more than my centrefire to build. The Sako wears a McMillan A3-5 stock with the fully adjustable butt and cheek, a Vortex Razor Gen II scope and i even went to the effort of putting the EFR in the front of the stock to add weight. Yes, when i had the initial idea back in 2013 to buy a 22 for training it was to save money and i've failed compared to other 22 trainers out there. Whilst i may have struck out in the savings department now, i would still argue that i've had a win with my Quad. As the 22lr has less risks to consider (eg range ect) when its fired compared to a centrefire, ive been able to shoot the 22lr infinitely more than i would my Centrefire by increasing the amount of places i can shoot it. Also, as the thing is basically now the bigger brother to my comp rifle i'm getting all that sweet, sweet, quality training in....Swings and roundabouts i guess.... helps not to think too much about it and just enjoy shooting it.
@@DFOOSKING Damn the desert camo pattern from McMillan Looks cool bud'. I ended up going with the Forest Spectre Camo and McMillan did an amazing job on it. Looks sick, but when it goes back into the safe with everything else that's green and black, i must say i wish i did a Desert or Snow camo just for giggles.... especially after seeing yours there now. Whilst i added as much bling as i could, i never swapped from the factory barrel and after thousands of rounds she's still 1 holing at 50m with Match Ammo. What ammo are you running? I'm running SK Rifle Match for close range accuracy or RWS Match S for shooting long range but i'm finding something odd happening at about the 300m+ mark with regards to accuracy with the Match S and thinking of changing
There are some bad instructors out there. One Conceal Carry class in So. IL had students stand beside targets while other students shot. He didn't teach very long.
what disturbs me more than that training is that he got hired in the first places. I bet his idea was to put the shooter under that "adrenaline pressure " that many say is missing at the range "rolling eye" and the good old office failed back trust exercises into training "facepalm"
If I were in that class I would have shut that sh*t down. No way I would have gone through or let others go through that. I'm no expert, but I can recognize danger when I see it. Much safer and efficient to use cardboard silhouettes to act as innocent bystanders versus other students. That instructor should be fired and have his license pulled.
I picked up an M&P AR15-22 for my wife as an anniversary gift and she loves it. It was more for fun than training but it has pointed out a very large flinch I developed, how do I I fix that? I also use it when the range is snow covered and won't be able to recover brass.
lots of dry fire, snap caps loaded randomly into the mag with live rounds, and just shooting a lot honestly. it took me about 3000 rounds to stop flinching with my pistol
I bought the same S&W 15-22 as you have in the video and found it to be a bit too light and while very reliable for function the trigger was lacking, that was expected. I came across KRISS Defiance which their version of the same thing except the gun is all metal. The weight is very very close to my rifle and and after swapping out triggers it's a darn near duplicate of my main rifle. The Defiance is as close to the real gun in rimfire as it gets. If you ever get the chance to try one you won't be disappointed. I find when time is short as I can just shoot for a limited time I'll take the rimfire trainer because I can go through more rounds without heat build up in a shorter time period.
@@KJV1611AV I just called CZ USA and they are coming out with some awesome 22 rifles next year. I was going to buy their tacticool rifle soon, but will wait for the new ones. Nitride coatings, better triggers, match barrels, etc.
What is amazing is that the students went along with it. There is zero benefit in something as stupid as that and I would thing that at least one student would have put a stop to it. I know I would have gone ape shit over this. Absolutely reckless!!! Shame on every person present at this event
I cringed so hard... Have to be able to call bs, no matter what situation. " Yeah I just met you guys, but I trust you to not shoot me bc you know so much about firearms..."
Range theatrics crack me up & are dangerous. Most these classes i see on youtube are ridiculous. You shoot 2,000 rounds which is unnecessary, then stand in the open after you shoot looking around over your shoulders scanning, it's bad training. You don't stand in the open you will get shot the hell up if there is a threat. Shoot and move get cover get small if you don't have good cover.
if you dare disagree with rob pincus, larry vickers, or frank gali be prepared to not only be called an idiot and irrelevant by those people, but look forward to getting hate mail from their groupies for months. ask me how i know... lol.
wow that was a shit show on that video lol anyway I got the 15/22 when they first came out , got to say its still one of my favorite buys, the gun is so fun to shoot you don't even feel like you are training lol only draw back to mine is I think they are a little cheaper now lol
My wife picked up a Ruger SR22 that, with cheap bulk ammo, rarely makes it through a full magazine. I will put 10 mags or so through this gun every time I go to the range for the tap-rack and general jam clearing practice.
Wow. Reminds me of tactical response Instructor going down range to take pictures when students were shooting a the targets... I just bought the cmmg .22lr conversion kit for the same reason you have the mp15-22. Great video John.
Thanks for the advice about the class, i have been thinking about a pistol class for a while.
Great vid! Thankfully I live 15min from the Sig Academy and every instructor I’ve met there has been top notch.
I've said this before, coming from both a martial arts background and military background. Just because you have the experience, does not make you a good teacher.
Here, here brother!...Truer words were never spoken.!
Holy cow!
There's only a handful of people I would trust to fire a weapon anywhere close to behind me and that doesn't include a bunch of strangers in a class.
The same 'learning' can be achieved with a rope, pulleys, a cart, target stands and some cardboard targets. Set up the cart with a target (bad guy) to traverse left to right, parallel to the firing line. Place other (good guy) cardboard along the same path. Have someone pull the cart so the bad guy moves between the good guys. Teachable moment; not every downrange person is a target and should not be shot or muzzled.
I built a CMMG .22lr AR with their dedicated .22lr upper and a CMMG LPK on an Anderson lower. I love it and so does my wife, kid and all our friends. The nice thing about it is it's an AR15, so any standard AR upper can be swapped on it or the upper can go on any standard lower.
I have the CMMG conversion kit. It works, but gets my AR quite dirty and it's not accurate. The twist rate of my AR's is 1/7 while my 10/22 is 1/16.
I am considering something like your upper because I can shoot rimfire in my backyard.
@@marzcapone9939 primary arms is a good source, I love mine
22 trainer is great for everything from pistol, carbine, and long range. I usually warm up with 22 so it’s definitely a money saver for me.
I've been instructing tactical courses for 10 years now and any instructor who thinks he knows everything is an utter fool. I enjoy being a student as well and attend as much training as I can. When I was first learning my craft, I threw down the Bullshit flag to several of my instructors. If the drill was unsafe, I refused to participate.
I have to question RTG getting POI wrong; it means Program of Instruction NOT Points of Instruction.
Every student there failed being the Safety Officer. EVERYONE is a Safety Officer. I have Army infantry training...I don't go out and 'certify' people. I pay others with the proper credentials to do that properly for me...legal issues in mind, people. Keep everything legal including your training if it should come into question.
I am sure you heard that a student was shot this past Sunday at a Rockwell course..oh my....
They could have got the same effect by putting paper targets in between the firing line and the target line. At least then if you shoot a non-threat target, you learn a lesson without killing someone.
Students didn't have the "cojones" to question BS. .. best show .
Ever see Vickers video with Russian Counter Terror?
Blowing smoke about their war stories? Corey and Erika?
The M&P 15-22 - the platform prohibited from Appleseed classes.
I was not aware that the 15-22 is prohibited from Appleseed. I will have to check into that.
Bad training can happen any place. I'm a certified Simunitions instructor. A number of years ago I took a class at a very well known school. The instructor conducted an unstructured Simunitions class and violated all of the safety protocols we were taught. It was bad.
It is easy to get someone killed during simmunitions training. My instructor insurance won’t cover it right now although I am certified to teach it.
Had a Performance Center 15-22 many years ago. Was hoping to build a rimfire SPR type gun. Long and short of the story was the gun was a massive disappointment. The forend had plug surrounding the barrel that is just clipped in with very minor tabs. Removed to free float the barrel and got an swivel stud type adapter for a Harris. The rifle using the bipod made it erratic. Off a pack doing my best to minimize load on the forend still got occasional random fliers. Gun had fliers with and without forend plug. Used CCI SV even though manual said not to use subsonic ammo. CCI ammo functioned fine...no failures to feed, fire, or eject. Odd they put a match chamber but yet tell you not to use match ammo. I had a AAC Aviator suppressor on the factory threaded muzzle and a Leupold 6-24 40mm VX3 on it. Groups were poor with just about every ammo tried due to the erratic fliers. Seen video of Jerry Michulec running one...very little of the gun was S&W M&P 15-22...like just the shell.
Here's video of the initial purchase. This video was made 7yrs ago.
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I was lucky enough to find you last month & you really do a fantastic job, thanks very much John!
Wow, as an instructor I would have to say post the instructors name so others won't take a class from him. That instructor is dangerous!!
besides the bad trainer the M&P 22 is a good value for most people
Holy shit!
Just hard to imagine how people can be ok with that...
Also, I too like my Magpul bipods John!
Jesus christ! What's next? "To be tacticool you have to know how to take a bullet in the chest. So everyone put on that vest!"
What do you mean nothing to be gained from this drill?!
Some attorney could have made a boat load of money in a wrongful death suit!!
I guess I'll take the "William Tell" trust building drill out of my curriculum.
Great show.
There's no way I would have shot this drill. I would have told the instructor that I couldn't participate, because it always seems in the department there is someone who quals a little low or worse just barely....and no way is that person is walking back and forth up range from me.
I have a Sako Quad that i built for the purpose of training long range shooting and comp shooting. Its name is Rex because its got no reach..... What started as a cheaper way to train, ended up as an obsession. This rifle has now cost me slightly more than my centrefire to build. The Sako wears a McMillan A3-5 stock with the fully adjustable butt and cheek, a Vortex Razor Gen II scope and i even went to the effort of putting the EFR in the front of the stock to add weight. Yes, when i had the initial idea back in 2013 to buy a 22 for training it was to save money and i've failed compared to other 22 trainers out there. Whilst i may have struck out in the savings department now, i would still argue that i've had a win with my Quad. As the 22lr has less risks to consider (eg range ect) when its fired compared to a centrefire, ive been able to shoot the 22lr infinitely more than i would my Centrefire by increasing the amount of places i can shoot it. Also, as the thing is basically now the bigger brother to my comp rifle i'm getting all that sweet, sweet, quality training in....Swings and roundabouts i guess.... helps not to think too much about it and just enjoy shooting it.
Been in your shoes. Mine shot okay. Not great. Factory Sako barrels shot better.
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@@DFOOSKING Damn the desert camo pattern from McMillan Looks cool bud'. I ended up going with the Forest Spectre Camo and McMillan did an amazing job on it. Looks sick, but when it goes back into the safe with everything else that's green and black, i must say i wish i did a Desert or Snow camo just for giggles.... especially after seeing yours there now. Whilst i added as much bling as i could, i never swapped from the factory barrel and after thousands of rounds she's still 1 holing at 50m with Match Ammo. What ammo are you running? I'm running SK Rifle Match for close range accuracy or RWS Match S for shooting long range but i'm finding something odd happening at about the 300m+ mark with regards to accuracy with the Match S and thinking of changing
Do you consider your 10/22 a trainer? I like using the same reticle scopes on my center fires along with my 22LRs.
You could tell the last guy wasn't comfortable he was watching the shooter coming up behind him
There are some bad instructors out there. One Conceal Carry class in So. IL had students stand beside targets while other students shot. He didn't teach very long.
what disturbs me more than that training is that he got hired in the first places.
I bet his idea was to put the shooter under that "adrenaline pressure " that many say is missing at the range "rolling eye" and the good old office failed back trust exercises into training "facepalm"
If I were in that class I would have shut that sh*t down. No way I would have gone through or let others go through that. I'm no expert, but I can recognize danger when I see it. Much safer and efficient to use cardboard silhouettes to act as innocent bystanders versus other students. That instructor should be fired and have his license pulled.
I picked up an M&P AR15-22 for my wife as an anniversary gift and she loves it. It was more for fun than training but it has pointed out a very large flinch I developed, how do I I fix that? I also use it when the range is snow covered and won't be able to recover brass.
lots of dry fire, snap caps loaded randomly into the mag with live rounds, and just shooting a lot honestly. it took me about 3000 rounds to stop flinching with my pistol
I bought the same S&W 15-22 as you have in the video and found it to be a bit too light and while very reliable for function the trigger was lacking, that was expected. I came across KRISS Defiance which their version of the same thing except the gun is all metal. The weight is very very close to my rifle and and after swapping out triggers it's a darn near duplicate of my main rifle. The Defiance is as close to the real gun in rimfire as it gets. If you ever get the chance to try one you won't be disappointed. I find when time is short as I can just shoot for a limited time I'll take the rimfire trainer because I can go through more rounds without heat build up in a shorter time period.
Im looking to get a CMMG Bravo 22lr conversion for my ar. Its a new bcg and mags to allow you to shoot 22lr from your standard ar
I looked up that guy and the training company. The classes are $40...still way too expensive.
Wow! That was a scary vid.
I was expecting the to be James Yeager.
I'd love another video on 22 trainers.
@@KJV1611AV I just called CZ USA and they are coming out with some awesome 22 rifles next year. I was going to buy their tacticool rifle soon, but will wait for the new ones. Nitride coatings, better triggers, match barrels, etc.
Who would be willing to stand down range?!
What is amazing is that the students went along with it. There is zero benefit in something as stupid as that and I would thing that at least one student would have put a stop to it. I know I would have gone ape shit over this. Absolutely reckless!!! Shame on every person present at this event
My dude, your rifle has no mag in it...
That video is crazy just “Russian roulette” on a range. If the instructor cannot see this then the trainee should leave. Thx for your videos.
I cringed so hard... Have to be able to call bs, no matter what situation. " Yeah I just met you guys, but I trust you to not shoot me bc you know so much about firearms..."
Wow. I would never trust another human to shoot by me like that. That’s crazy. Dont care who it was
You will never see this old soldier shooting and moving next to a rookie stranger
Was that a triggertech I saw on the ultimatum deadline? If so, which model and how's it compare to a Timney?
That is the Triggertech Diamond. It is an excellent trigger. It goes neck and neck with the Calvin Elite.
@@8541tactical thanks for the reply. I've been meaning to try one.
Natural selection
Range theatrics crack me up & are dangerous. Most these classes i see on youtube are ridiculous. You shoot 2,000 rounds which is unnecessary, then stand in the open after you shoot looking around over your shoulders scanning, it's bad training. You don't stand in the open you will get shot the hell up if there is a threat. Shoot and move get cover get small if you don't have good cover.
if you dare disagree with rob pincus, larry vickers, or frank gali be prepared to not only be called an idiot and irrelevant by those people, but look forward to getting hate mail from their groupies for months. ask me how i know... lol.
How to maximize your team kill possibility
No....hell no.
instructors name?
Not confirmed at the time of this video.
Please be voda...
wow that was a shit show on that video lol anyway I got the 15/22 when they first came out , got to say its still one of my favorite buys, the gun is so fun to shoot you don't even feel like you are training lol only draw back to mine is I think they are a little cheaper now lol
That training is just a clusterfuck.
Need to have as safe of a range as possible. So whack.
Darwinism at it's best 3:48
wtf!
Reckless Endangerment: ............
Oxygen thief 😂
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