@@doombringer8214 true but Eddard was a far better soldier so he still got outdone by ned in nearly all regards. All jaime had on ned is his father, looks & skill with a sword while ned had better leadership skills, judgement & was generally a better man. I think this is why jaime looked up to ned in some strange way.
@@GuyNamedGrayI watched GOT very early in my life and I can guarantee you I spend the following years hating on the acting of basically most shows I’ve watched after that until I realized that GOT cast and acting is just one in a million…
He is a classic example showcased that it is what happens if you love a narcissistic person like Cersei. He could have done so much better but he destroyed himself completely, for her. "Things he did for love".
Cersei reminds me of “Narcissus” (lol) in which the Greek mythological figure was obsessed with his own appearance- Cersei being twins with Jaime Always remembered the story from being a kid to now, but was funny to find out that’s where the term narcissism comes from
@Somejaun Actually, everyone misunderstands this quote. Everything Jaime says that sounds narcissistic is actually meant to have a touch of self-loathing. So when Jaime says, "There are no men like me, ONLY ME", on the surface it comes off as egocentric and prideful, however he actually means it with disdain for himself. Catelyn is literally saying that evil exists in the world because of MEN LIKE HIM, and he's taking responsibility of the fact that there are probably no men as horrible as him. Jaime might be the most complex character that George has come up with and the average viewer or reader always fail to understand him. He has moments where he acts self-righteous and tries to make justifications for his sins by comparing his moral code with that of Ned, declaring himself as more honourable. However, he also has moments of self-reflection and guilt. I remember my favourite quote of jaime from the books was "That boy wanted to be Ser Arthur Dayne, but somewhere along the road he became the smiling knight instead." It's such a great quote because it sums up his character. In his youth, he was a proper knight, wanting to protect the innocents, punish the wrongdoers, keep the peace and be recognised as a paradigm of honor. However, somewhere along the road, the world and all its evil forced him to become the very thing he wanted to rid the realm of.
@@islipperyfellow6487 Jaime Lannister is the greatest. Glad someone else sees him the same way. I was sad the ending quote was cut from the video, but glad to come to the comments to see this.
@@bufongodemdabae308 That's a terrible argument regardless. First off, we don't have free will. We literally do not choose our desires. If you ask why you want to do *anything,* the answer is just that you do. Second, if an omniscient being exists that created everything, that means it literally planned your every move therefore revoking the possibility of free will. Third, if we ignore all the problems with free will then the definition still seems nonsensical. So it's not free if you can't do evil? Why? Could I not, using the same unexplained logic, argue that I don't have free will unless I'm omnipotent? If I cannot choose to do anything I want, including shaping reality to my whim, or even my existence, then it isn't free will. Fourth, an omnipotent god or gods by definition can create a world where evil doesn't exist and you still have free will. If they can't, they are not omnipotent. Also, it doesn't take much questioning either: if I feel attracted to men, desire to have children, or want to eat chocolate, how is that any different from me simply not having the capacity to do evil?
By far the most stupid thing anyone has ever done in thr series is lady stark releasing this dimwit from his imprisonment lmao. No guarantee, not even info on her kids lmao, just a straight up here you go and nothing lmao.
Tbf, she does smarter stuff throughout the series but yes, this was dumb. Rob fucked up royally(no pun intended) too and his entire was was pretty dumb tbh...
@@iateyursandwichesevery king needs a hand but instead he got his mother who proceeded to betray him and he was just 17 (in books atleast), before that he was willing to marry WFs daughter, you cant blame her either jamie was there solely to trade for her family which clearly wasnt working out plus what happened to Ned and how it seemed hopeless about Arya as well. His oath was the best chance she had for getting her daughters back. Even if Robb won there was no guarantee of getting Sansa back and considering what fate Melisandre met you can agree on the fact Caitlyn was right for not risking it.
They're both great characters in my opinion. I hated Catelyn up until that scene she had with Robb's wife. Jaime was the worst on the first season but of course we all know he got better
One moment he's raiding the shi* out of riverlands in fancy armor and well breed horse, the next he's a prisoner of war getting hit by ned Stark's widow with a stone sitting in mud and puddle wearing fancy clothes.
@deanmalto1386 but everyone knew at this point and to make it worse, he admits to being with[only cersei] later in this scene to mock Cat about Ned being unfaithful. So what is he covering at this point, really?
@@iateyursandwiches the thing is with medieval fantasy there is no way for them to DNA check those kids, so Jaime might have still be in relationship with cersei but that doesn't mean the children weren't Roberts either
I don't, he's kind of an asshole like most lannister, unfortunately. Still an intersection character though...I do find it crazy people find cat more hate worthy than Jaime just because she said a mean thing to Jon once lol.
The sad thing is that Jaime pushed Bran out of the window on impulse, not intentional malice. Meanwhile, Tywin, Roose, and Walder were all planning a literal massacre with heaps of malice. Cat is not a big picture kind of person 😅
Haven’t listned to the overlord ost but I belive the song is a cover of ”le lecon particulier”. Its has the exact same melody from the clip but maybe they just share a melody
@@someperson9998 no he wouldnt Tywin would Just find a way to Release Jaime during the wedding The Second The Tyrells Allied with the Lannisters was game Over for Robb
Catelyn was so annoying during this... She's not a rookie dealing with enemy taunting, she's the wife of the Warden of the entire North. Once she started buying into Jaime's provocation the character kind of lost it's bright to me.
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Jaime is being a sadistic asshole making jokes about how he threw a child down a window, HER CHILD, worst of all, and you think she shouldn't be mad?
Wait when she know about that and did she find out why. Because i think as a man but for a mother at that time for what he did... You need twenty chapters extra.
I think she always suspected it had something to do with the lannisters. The boy climbs walls always, the lannisters & king robert come over and he suddenly falls. King robert would hardly be the one to suspect... Either all this or mother's instinct
Seven hells for seven gods. The “Seven” as they are most commonly called are the “new gods” and there are the old gods wich is where the weirwood trees come into play as a sort of shrine.
the thing i find most disingenuous about this show is how literally every main character who isnt a religious fanatic is an atheist (or distainful towards the gods). If this world is supposed to be an analog for medieval Europe, that really doesn’t make much sense does it?
You'll find that that's generally true of most people, genuinely most people don't really believe all that much, even when they're in organized religions, it turns into just a cultural thing a lot of the time
There r many characters who r not religious fanatics & also not atheists. Catelyn herself is not a fanatic. Ned wasn't a fanatic. Jon isn't a fanatic nor atheist. Brienne, king Robert, the Tyrells. Only the followers of the high sparrow & the cult of the god of light are fanatics
@@radioactivedetective6876I’ll agree with you about Ned and Catelyn, probably because they died off while the writing was still good, but I swear by the end of the series more than half the characters deny the existence of the gods, or refers to them as c*nts or something…mind you, I’m an atheist myself so its not like im offended. I just think it really pulls me out of the medieval vibes
@@zacklamotte6067 I can't vouch for whatever happens in the show season 5 onwards. But season 1-4 almost all characters believe in gods but r not fanatic. The religion/cult of the lord of light r fanatics.
Actually pretty easy to answer free will we are given the choice to do whatever we want in life lead a good life one of kindness and compassion or lead a life of cruelty and selflessness in the end it’s our choice and when we’re gone not only will we be judged in the afterlife but in life people will judge our legacy and decide if we are worthy of being remembered or forgotten
@@snow1546 The free will is unjust because of humans being created like this. Stop your bs. No god who's all good would create evil that can be accessed with free will and cause injustice and pain
@@devanshsaini1699 he created us and gave us free will to do with as we pleased and we created the evil and injustice blame men’s cruelty and start holding humans accountable for they’re own actions go take your horse shit somewhere else
You never truly get away with it at the end of day you have to answer to God not to mention the family of the ppl you hurt it may feel like you got away with it but look at prison a place full of toxic human behavior constantly having to watch your back otherwise you’ll be stabbed in it
@@Edis12121 Why don’t you go educate yourself on this? You have a question. Find the answer to it. I suspect the original commenter already found their answer and so have I.
@@NiceIndeed No evidence, logic, or reasoning involved within the belief of an unprovable, undefinable, omnipotent creator. Yeah, I'm sticking to reality, not fairytales.
Jamie always wants to see if he can perform better than ned stark in anything 🥶
😂
And he wasn't better than Ned in anything.
@@Rust_Cohle_Solos he was a better swordsman in terms of skill
@@doombringer8214probably but his soldier robbed us of ever knowing that
@@doombringer8214 true but Eddard was a far better soldier so he still got outdone by ned in nearly all regards. All jaime had on ned is his father, looks & skill with a sword while ned had better leadership skills, judgement & was generally a better man. I think this is why jaime looked up to ned in some strange way.
Bro became a fan favorite even after throwing a child out of a window in episode one
That's the point. It's a redemption arc
@@Delrin3030just seen last of the starks for the first time watching the show and they reversed his entire redemption arc in a matter of seconds 😢.
Handsome men get away with more shit
well, he's handsome , so yeah
@@jdawson01yeah show writers killed seasons 6-8 fr
Jaime Lannister: “There are no men like me.”
Old man from Avengers 1: “There are always men like you..”
Jeffrey: Look to your Elder Ned, let him be an Example
"you know, the last time I was in kings landing. I saw a man burning and slaughtering innocent people. We ended up disagreeing."
Bro 💀 @@edmundtrummer3182
@@007jayswinno captain America in that scene ☹️
😂
Where were the trees ?
They were watching and preparing Ned Starks children for whats coming
They are actually the villains in the story. The non humans.
😂 none of them where ready for what came to them so the trees fuck up there too
@@jonathanhirst5062in defense of the trees, there aren’t many weirwoods running around in the South, specially in King’s Landing
CAUSE HE WAS PIPING HIS SISTER 📢📢📢
🤫
Incest is everywhere. You never know what's really happening under one's roof.
Got caught rawdoggin that sussy
“Tryna strike a chord & it’s prolly his sisterrrrrr”
Both these actors were absolutely amazing. I didn't even saw the actors, I saw the characters.
Likewise with the story, they weren't written, but they were consequences of each character's actions. Unlike the later seasons.
Saw
@@milmoney😂😂
It's almost as if that's what you're supposed to be seeing when you watch a movie or tv show
@@GuyNamedGrayI watched GOT very early in my life and I can guarantee you I spend the following years hating on the acting of basically most shows I’ve watched after that until I realized that GOT cast and acting is just one in a million…
He is a classic example showcased that it is what happens if you love a narcissistic person like Cersei. He could have done so much better but he destroyed himself completely, for her. "Things he did for love".
Cersei reminds me of “Narcissus” (lol) in which the Greek mythological figure was obsessed with his own appearance- Cersei being twins with Jaime
Always remembered the story from being a kid to now, but was funny to find out that’s where the term narcissism comes from
Jaime is a male version of Cersei.
Was Jamie a child?? He is responsible for his own actions
“There are no men like me, only me”
Was giving childhood egocentrism
“There are always men like you”
@Somejaun Actually, everyone misunderstands this quote. Everything Jaime says that sounds narcissistic is actually meant to have a touch of self-loathing. So when Jaime says, "There are no men like me, ONLY ME", on the surface it comes off as egocentric and prideful, however he actually means it with disdain for himself. Catelyn is literally saying that evil exists in the world because of MEN LIKE HIM, and he's taking responsibility of the fact that there are probably no men as horrible as him. Jaime might be the most complex character that George has come up with and the average viewer or reader always fail to understand him. He has moments where he acts self-righteous and tries to make justifications for his sins by comparing his moral code with that of Ned, declaring himself as more honourable. However, he also has moments of self-reflection and guilt. I remember my favourite quote of jaime from the books was "That boy wanted to be Ser Arthur Dayne, but somewhere along the road he became the smiling knight instead." It's such a great quote because it sums up his character. In his youth, he was a proper knight, wanting to protect the innocents, punish the wrongdoers, keep the peace and be recognised as a paradigm of honor. However, somewhere along the road, the world and all its evil forced him to become the very thing he wanted to rid the realm of.
@@islipperyfellow6487
Jaime Lannister is the greatest. Glad someone else sees him the same way. I was sad the ending quote was cut from the video, but glad to come to the comments to see this.
@@CactusCowboyDan "Look to your elder, people. Let him be an example"
“Why do your Gods allow such injustice in the world?” “Because of men like you.” Goes hard
So her gods are weak. That’s not hard! Just sad.
@@G4MBITI must've missed the part where any of these gods did anything at all lmfao
It's a nonsensical argument. He asks why there's evil in the world and she just says evil men exist. Circular argument.
@@someperson9998 it’s more of an argument for free will. We are not people if we aren’t free to choose some people chose to be evil
@@bufongodemdabae308 That's a terrible argument regardless.
First off, we don't have free will. We literally do not choose our desires. If you ask why you want to do *anything,* the answer is just that you do.
Second, if an omniscient being exists that created everything, that means it literally planned your every move therefore revoking the possibility of free will.
Third, if we ignore all the problems with free will then the definition still seems nonsensical. So it's not free if you can't do evil? Why? Could I not, using the same unexplained logic, argue that I don't have free will unless I'm omnipotent? If I cannot choose to do anything I want, including shaping reality to my whim, or even my existence, then it isn't free will.
Fourth, an omnipotent god or gods by definition can create a world where evil doesn't exist and you still have free will. If they can't, they are not omnipotent. Also, it doesn't take much questioning either: if I feel attracted to men, desire to have children, or want to eat chocolate, how is that any different from me simply not having the capacity to do evil?
"..... The things I do for love"
“I seldom fling children from towers to improve their health. Yes, I meant for him to die.” Jaime Lannister.
By far the most stupid thing anyone has ever done in thr series is lady stark releasing this dimwit from his imprisonment lmao. No guarantee, not even info on her kids lmao, just a straight up here you go and nothing lmao.
Now we know where Sansa got her wits from
@@kiairahopkins1529 Lmao
Tbf, she does smarter stuff throughout the series but yes, this was dumb.
Rob fucked up royally(no pun intended) too and his entire was was pretty dumb tbh...
@@iateyursandwichesevery king needs a hand but instead he got his mother who proceeded to betray him and he was just 17 (in books atleast), before that he was willing to marry WFs daughter, you cant blame her either jamie was there solely to trade for her family which clearly wasnt working out plus what happened to Ned and how it seemed hopeless about Arya as well. His oath was the best chance she had for getting her daughters back. Even if Robb won there was no guarantee of getting Sansa back and considering what fate Melisandre met you can agree on the fact Caitlyn was right for not risking it.
They're both great characters in my opinion. I hated Catelyn up until that scene she had with Robb's wife. Jaime was the worst on the first season but of course we all know he got better
And then got worse rapidly
@@fireblizard8366they destroyed his character arc. He should have turned on Cercei.
He's still an asshole in the books though. Threatens to throw edmures baby to him via a catapult when he took over the seiged at riverrun
“ there will always be men like you”
One moment he's raiding the shi* out of riverlands in fancy armor and well breed horse, the next he's a prisoner of war getting hit by ned Stark's widow with a stone sitting in mud and puddle wearing fancy clothes.
Jaime doesnt have a problem for confessing throwing a boy but having a problem of why he did it😅
Well it would ruin his family's royal position.
It would ruin the legitimacy of the throne now that the rumours are not rumours anymore
@deanmalto1386 but everyone knew at this point and to make it worse, he admits to being with[only cersei] later in this scene to mock Cat about Ned being unfaithful. So what is he covering at this point, really?
@@iateyursandwiches the thing is with medieval fantasy there is no way for them to DNA check those kids, so Jaime might have still be in relationship with cersei but that doesn't mean the children weren't Roberts either
Well I actually believe Jamie was just teasing and tolling cat in this scene. He didn't meant it, rather he respects unwantedly her.
I don't, he's kind of an asshole like most lannister, unfortunately. Still an intersection character though...I do find it crazy people find cat more hate worthy than Jaime just because she said a mean thing to Jon once lol.
Why?
Obviously he was doing something that required no witnesses.
I know they turned him face and all but when he gets his hand chopped off, still one of my favorite scenes
The sad thing is that Jaime pushed Bran out of the window on impulse, not intentional malice. Meanwhile, Tywin, Roose, and Walder were all planning a literal massacre with heaps of malice. Cat is not a big picture kind of person 😅
The things we do for love....
he was so right
SHE was so right
Because her son saw the truth
Did he ever tell her that he was " with " his sister ? 😏
No I think he abruptly changed the topic by talking about his chains or something
Who didn't know? Did they sell tickets? Jamie and Cersei just had no shame and didn't seem to GAF who knew at times. ;-)
He definitely showed character development toward the end, but I never got past him pushing Bran out of that tower.never
Music?
Song ??
What’s crazy is he king Slade, and almost future king Slade
He "future Queen Regent" LAID too
Music name
Era that had been shining, it's music from the anime called overlord
@@average_rite thank you and may be you are not so average
@@ArjeulHaque ahahaha
Haven’t listned to the overlord ost but I belive the song is a cover of ”le lecon particulier”. Its has the exact same melody from the clip but maybe they just share a melody
@@davidrislund1135 yeah they sound very similar
Kat fucked it up, if she didnt realease Jaime maybe Rob couldve lived
He would have died regardless
Robb was never going to trade Jaime for Sansa
@@alphagamer9505 So? If he kept Jamie then he would've been able to prevent a red wedding and even keep his men.
@@someperson9998 no he wouldnt
Tywin would Just find a way to Release Jaime during the wedding
The Second The Tyrells Allied with the Lannisters was game Over for Robb
Rob fucked it up.
Catelyn was so annoying during this... She's not a rookie dealing with enemy taunting, she's the wife of the Warden of the entire North. Once she started buying into Jaime's provocation the character kind of lost it's bright to me.
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Jaime is being a sadistic asshole making jokes about how he threw a child down a window, HER CHILD, worst of all, and you think she shouldn't be mad?
Jamie has a very similar arch (and looks) to Sawyer from LOST
The trees dont give a f about them all 😂😂😂.
Nahh, Jaime a better swordsman, but Ned probably fcks better
Wait when she know about that and did she find out why. Because i think as a man but for a mother at that time for what he did... You need twenty chapters extra.
CAITLYN NED WAS NEVER UNFAITHFUL I NEED U TO KNOW BEFORE THEY CUT YOUR THROAT 😭
i think i’ve never hated a character more than catelyn stark😂😂😂
Deep!
By Asmodeus, there are 9 Hells, not 7....
It's a fictional world, weirdo.
@@someperson9998 and it's humor, weirdo...
Which episode is this ?? When did this scene happened
Woher wusste sie, das er etwas mit brans Fall zu tun hatte??
I think she always suspected it had something to do with the lannisters. The boy climbs walls always, the lannisters & king robert come over and he suddenly falls. King robert would hardly be the one to suspect... Either all this or mother's instinct
They believe in seven hells? Or seven layers of hell?
Seven hells for seven gods. The “Seven” as they are most commonly called are the “new gods” and there are the old gods wich is where the weirwood trees come into play as a sort of shrine.
Sure but they don't exist.
Best got character
Did he tell her?
the thing i find most disingenuous about this show is how literally every main character who isnt a religious fanatic is an atheist (or distainful towards the gods). If this world is supposed to be an analog for medieval Europe, that really doesn’t make much sense does it?
You know they all worship satan right?
You'll find that that's generally true of most people, genuinely most people don't really believe all that much, even when they're in organized religions, it turns into just a cultural thing a lot of the time
There r many characters who r not religious fanatics & also not atheists. Catelyn herself is not a fanatic. Ned wasn't a fanatic. Jon isn't a fanatic nor atheist. Brienne, king Robert, the Tyrells. Only the followers of the high sparrow & the cult of the god of light are fanatics
@@radioactivedetective6876I’ll agree with you about Ned and Catelyn, probably because they died off while the writing was still good, but I swear by the end of the series more than half the characters deny the existence of the gods, or refers to them as c*nts or something…mind you, I’m an atheist myself so its not like im offended. I just think it really pulls me out of the medieval vibes
@@zacklamotte6067 I can't vouch for whatever happens in the show season 5 onwards. But season 1-4 almost all characters believe in gods but r not fanatic. The religion/cult of the lord of light r fanatics.
badass
Which one
Obviously not her😅
@@gavinmcconnell1219 Jaime
"WHY IS THE WORLD SO FULL OF INJUSTICE?"
THAT'S A QUESTION THAT NO BELIEVER WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
Actually pretty easy to answer free will we are given the choice to do whatever we want in life lead a good life one of kindness and compassion or lead a life of cruelty and selflessness in the end it’s our choice and when we’re gone not only will we be judged in the afterlife but in life people will judge our legacy and decide if we are worthy of being remembered or forgotten
Thats the question that only the believers would be able to answer. Cause yk, they believe in afterlife
@@snow1546 The free will is unjust because of humans being created like this. Stop your bs. No god who's all good would create evil that can be accessed with free will and cause injustice and pain
@@devanshsaini1699 he created us and gave us free will to do with as we pleased and we created the evil and injustice blame men’s cruelty and start holding humans accountable for they’re own actions go take your horse shit somewhere else
Because the existense of free will create balance of good and evil.
he was absolutely intolerable after season 4
You never truly get away with it at the end of day you have to answer to God not to mention the family of the ppl you hurt it may feel like you got away with it but look at prison a place full of toxic human behavior constantly having to watch your back otherwise you’ll be stabbed in it
Which God ? And how you know its the right one?
@@Edis12121
Why don’t you go educate yourself on this? You have a question. Find the answer to it. I suspect the original commenter already found their answer and so have I.
@@Edis12121 There's only 1 God
@roman8197 historically the leading causes of death have been wars over politics and wars over religions.
@@NiceIndeed No evidence, logic, or reasoning involved within the belief of an unprovable, undefinable, omnipotent creator.
Yeah, I'm sticking to reality, not fairytales.
i always hated this woman same like cercei, they are the same
She had little to lose so she should have stabbed his heart. but I understand wanting to preserve the last chance of saving your child
Song?