@@mikev4755 Reserving a place for the possibility of something unknown to exist(God), doesn't mean it exists. extreme open mindedness. Our ignorance cannot be used to positively state the existence of something we cannot demonstrate, that's silly.
@@user-ci9te3yt6t 1) god does exist. In one form or another under the roof of your skull and there he should reside and be protected because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air 2) you never asked for evidence to belief in god to begin with so you can only care even less in proof of his non existence 3) disproving the existence of a non existing entity would be a nonsensical undertaking without a limit. You can’t ask me to disprove the existence of the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, Father Christmas, pixies, elves, trolls, goblins or god. 4) you believe in a celestial wizard so the burden of proof rest on your shoulders
@@elwoodsweetapple3269 logic itself cant be explained by science, does that mean its not real? obviously not. You have to simply believe that your logic is valid in order to do science.
Here's my argument against the Bible: The story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego form the book of Daniel 1. If your'e not familiar, the story depicts the three Jewish men being thrown into a fiery furnace by Nebuchadnezzar II, King of Babylon, for refusing to bow to the king's image. The three however are preserved from harm by God. Vs The Holocaust, which exterminated approx. 1,1 million Jews in the gas chambers (along with cripples, redheads, blacks, and other peoples the Nazis sought to exterminate). Same scenario, same religous belief and believers, yet the accredited story had no divine intervention. The only options are that the Jewish people weren't praying hard enough to save their lives, God was on vacation or ignored them, or God does not exist.
Funny ain't it, how the only time god intervenes is in unsubstantiated, unverifiable old stories yet fails to intervene in exactly the same cicumstances in an era when it could be accurately recorded and verified. "But he dosn;t intervene cos of free will!" they will cry. But that didn;t seem to bother god in the old stories.
Having seen all 6 videos in this debate, I have to say that the side who argued that "there is NOT a God" won by a landslide if you analyse the arguments from both sides. It was almost painful to watch at times because the difference in quality of the arguments was so clear and obvious.
Then you had to list all the contrasting arguments and mark right and false with your related perceptions. You had a mind-shift from only an aggression on the floor...
19:50 He's talking about the concept of 'immaterial soul' (which I think everyone agrees no one really knows exactly how it works) and says that there's no possible way this 'immaterial soul' can ever reconcile with the existence of a material world such as we know it. Hmmmm... and how does he come to this conclusion?
@Jubei Yang "How do you know that it is evidence when you have not seen?" I see a tree bending, leaves fluttering. That is the visible evidence of unseen wind blowing. It really is just that simple. The idea is that you probably do not see God, but you can see the *effects* of God. The problem of course is discerning God. For instance, someone might have a string tied to the tree making it move and flutter, and it wasn't the wind. Sometimes the *evidence* isn't entirely conclusive. In this context, one *hopes* for salvation or eternal life or even just a bit of happiness in this life, and the hope is sustained by some evidence which everyone can see but which you interpret as signifying the existence of God.
@Jubei Yang "Are you that stupid?" *NO* (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines ). Now if you were to quantify exactly what level of stupidity you mean I could give you a more nuanced answer. "you see the effects of the wind so the same applies to God?" yes, that is precisely so. At least you understand the analogy. You cannot see gravity, only its effects. You cannot see electricity, only its effects. You can see only a relatively narrow range of wavelengths, 400 to 600 nanometers (more or less) all other wavelengths are invisible to your eyes and senses but you can see their effects. Wind is moving air, its effect is manifest only when something *resists* the moving air and as a result energy is transferred from air to object, or in the case of a fan or blower, from object to air. So it is that God can presumably both accept and source energy; but how you *interpret* that energy is unpredictable to me. At any rate, it should be obvious that it is impossible to say that this is not so, that there is no God; for you have little or no idea what is the nature of that interaction, and if God chooses to not interact with you, then for you he does not exist or might as well not exist.
@Jubei Yang Contemplate for a moment two goldfish in a bowl or aquarium. One is trying to persuade the other of the existence of "water". The second says, "There is no such thing as water, prove it to me!" How is that to be done? It cannot be done; for both fish have been in water their entire lives and consequently don't even have a name for it. There is no boundary condition by which to detect it. But the first fish leaped out of the tank and was quickly rescued by something with five fingers, who the first fish named "god" but was Billy rescuing his pet goldfish. At any rate, the experience showed the fish the existence of NOT-water, by which the existence of water was bounded and defined. So it is that many people live in constant contact with God their entire lives not once realizing the nearly omni-presence, and if it was entirely omnipresent then nobody would detect it. But occasionally someone steps out of the light and perceives the darkness, and on perceiving darkness, also perceives light. Now between you and me, what exactly do you mean by stupid? I who see more things than you, or you who are blind? You are correct; my enhanced sight makes me more responsible for my decisions and actions; your limited vision somewhat excuses your choices because you cannot choose a thing you do not see. For that you are excused.
@Jubei Yang You must be one of the goldfish." Yes, and so are you. "You meant to say that God can be felt, touched, smelled and seen?" Yes, if he wishes it. you either have to go where he is, which is difficult to impossible, or he comes to you, which is possible but rare. "Even the goldfish see the water, feel it, smell it and swim in it." Water cannot be seen from the inside. I am a SCUBA diver among other things. What you see is not-water (dirt, fish, plants). You feel it but will not have named it "water". It simply *is* whatever it is and doesn't need a name. Have you named the baryons in which you swim right now? Probably not. "Where's your God?" Where ever he wishes to be. I am not his secretary to know where he is right now. "Can you feel him, touch him, see him, and smell him?" I can if he wishes it. Feeling is the easiest, next after that is seeing. Touching is extremely rare and I've never yet met anyone mention smelling him. That would probably be a sign of not-God. You have repeatedly failed to mention "hearing" which is the most common reportage regarding God. I shall include it for completeness. "You are even more stupid than your goldfish" Thank you for this opportunity to demonstrate my politeness as compared to your rudeness. "because the goldfish understand that they could not leave the water." So you are a "goldfish whisperer", knowing the thoughts of goldfish. That's interesting.
@Jubei Yang "You are more stupid than the goldfish." Seems like I've encountered those words before. Oh yes, your previous comment! It didn't work then. Perhaps it will work now. "When the water recedes and the goldfish cannot get oxygen from the water, it struggles to breathe." Ineed it does. "When its body is exposed to air, it knows that death is not far away and it will swim to deeper water." I think that *knowing* is an exaggeration but yes, it will instinctively seek out water more to its liking. "Goldfish are not stupid like you." Perhaps. But who are you conversing with and what does that make you? "Your God is omnipresent but you can't see, smell, or touch him." Well, mine isn't omnipresent. Your mileage obviously varies. "When I push your head understand water and you struggle to breathe, no God to help you!!!" I expect as much. He's more of a scientist; observes human beings, doesn't interfere much. "There's no God to save you." Agreed. I do not expect God to save me from assassins. What he is much more likely to do is to alert me to their presence. Gods do not save humans. Humans save humans. I should advise that I use the word "God" in a somewhat generic manner to mean any of many possible metaphysical agents that have the power to inform me of things. It is also likely that what you believe "God" means is different than what I mean by it; which is what makes these conversations so entertaining.
7:06 Peter Hitchens makes an interruption to draw a distinction between "knows" and "believes" at a point when Peter is discussing a point John Lennox made, "if you believe the resurrection is true, there's a God". Perhaps he should have interrupted John! But it is quite simply a fallacious argument as he proves by example. But quite simply knowing and believing are related. If you "know" something is unlikely, impossible or implausible then you don't believe it and if you feel you know something is true, then you believe it. So I think it is stupid unless it is a confession that he believes in spite of his knowledge to the contrary. We can have doubts about whether we know anything. So you could argue that "knowing" is really having a strong belief indistinguishable from certainty.
"If you know something is unlikely or implausible... then you don't believe it" Is the formation of a complex multidimensional expanding universe (possibly multi-verse) following laws of physics and containing an infinite amount of truth, beauty, and love to be discovered out of a formless void implausible or unlikely?
The fact you can doubt all of human knowledge is not evidence that humans don't know anything. It's an assumption one can make. Doesn't mean it will get you any closer to the truth, it will actually keep you in a perpetual state of doubt.
@TR13400 My argument was of you think something is implausible, you don't believe it by default. It is true of pink bananas, jackpot winning lottery tickets, expanding universes full of love and omni gods. The more implausible, the greater the corroborative evidence you should require to believe.
@@TR13400pretending to know things is not knowing things. We only know stuff by assuming we know nothing and then working from observations, experiments in the light of theories, which may or may not be disproved.
@psychologicalprojectionist I completely reject this entire comment. Just because you think something is implausible that doesn't mean it didn't happen or can't happen. I also reject Carl's Sagans slogan of extraordinary evidence. All truth claims have the same standard of evidence to me, proven beyond reasonable doubt. What I actually believe is different, because we have a subjective experince and we require faith to believe in anything. There it falls on what evidence you believe is most reliable.
How can anyone defend something that cannot be properly defined? Believers can not tell us what God is, they can only tell us what God is not. "God is invisible, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, and beyond human understanding". So why are you wasting your time by trying to understand God? Why even bring God up, if God, and nothing, look exactly the same?
"God is omniscient, omnipotent, is love and is good...". That is not defining what God is, that is just telling us what he is capable of, and what kind of personality he has. Try again.
HAHAHAHA OK Try this on for size. Describe me any person without telling me their personality or what they're capable of. You can't. They're inextricably linked. You're just stupid.
There is a difference between, "What is a homo sapien?" and "Who is Mother Teresa?" The Question is "What is God?" If God is a person then, where is he, dipshit? Why can't we meet him?
LOL Because THIS particular person has attributes that a normal person doesn't. If that blows your damn mind, get off this thread you intellectual midget. Go read your skeptic magazines LOL
@@eliot451reade5 "Lots of dead people come back to life". You are surely joking, right? They're called zombies & it used to happen in the Caribbean. And why was death "more like a temporary disability" in "those days"? Why is death permanent now? And who got to be reincarnated & who stayed in the ground to rot & decay? What were the necessary requirements for reincarnation? You are either a troll or you're a seriously deluded person desperately trying to justify belief in your faith.
@@elroyfudbucker6806 no, he's being satirical by taking it literally, which isn't wrong. Jesus's resurrection was not unique since many people were making the same claims, thus it's a common and boring if it's all true. lol
The Resurrection of Jesus Christ IS the Proof of His Sonship of God the Father... It was Prophecied many times in the Old Testament that He would die and rise again... Jesus Himself, told His disciples 5 times, that He would rise again after 3 days... When this came to pass accurately, He showed Himself alive to over 90 people... Even Thomas one of His disciples, didn't believe He would rise again.. But, when Thomas saw Him, he fell down and worshipped Him... The Resurrection is an established fact of truth...
"For the time will come when men will no longer put up with sound doctrine instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to hear what their itching ears want to hear. . They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." 2Timothy 4:3=4:
@@rishadaltair3029 This brief life is our time of testing. The onus rests with each of us to seek the absolute truth.There is no excuse . "Just as man is destined to die and face Judgement" Hebrews 9:27 The truth is available to all who seek it with courage and honesty. The Bible reveals many prophesies many were fulfilled through Jesus others are being fulfilled even as we speak. See for yourself.
@@hardtobefirst God reveals clearly in the New Covenant throuigh jesus the Path we need to take which is based on these two commandments "Love the Lord your God with all your heasrt and love your neighbour as yourself" "Religions" that you describe as "tearing the Unoted States apart" are made up of evil based agenda. The same can be used to describe godless philosophy and so called science which refuses to accept empirical evidence that debunks many of their claims. We are responsible and accountable personally to God;s eternal judgement. God allows evil to run its course He does not interfere in our freedom of choice. However his warnings are clear and His Judgement is final
Have you ever read the bible? Just read and study the bible.. Don't assume things, so just read the bible. And your questions will be answered. Don't want to? Stay blinded...
@@LetsFollowGod123If you knew anything about the bible you would know that it teaches to “walk by faith not by sight”. Meaning to believe off of the “evidence provided” and to have faith in that-substituting evidence with faith instead.
@@LemonDani yeah but it's value can't be denied because believe it or not atheism only makes sense coming from Christianity because if let's say Christianity had never been a factor in the early stages of scientific discovery we would be limited In our knowledge of our universe, we would have had our current moral standards to judge things by for example did you know in Japan it used to be acceptable to kill babies because of their world view. You can deny the existence of God but the bible is undoubtably the single most influential piece of ancient literature in the history of the world.
If we had souls then why aren't we aware of anything or conscious when we are under anesthesia or in a coma? The answer is that our awareness, consciousness is directly connected to the activity of our brains.
that's because they have been interconnected.... it's clear there is a difference because our brain performs certain things subconsciously and certain things only consciously.
Every good action you do is the best definition of God.if whatever u sow u reap where is that fraud that someone visible or invisible is going to interfere. A WORD TO THE WISE. Thks.
Religion is mostly a coping mechanism for dealing with the brutality of being alive. Example...people in poor countries tend to be more religious than people in wealthy countries. Because religion is all they have to hold onto. It's literally the only thing that provides them with real hope/consolation. Take that away from them and they're left with nothing except starvation, suffering, disease, and death. Life is cruel and humans, especially desperate humans, need something to hold onto in order to cope with everyday life. I'm agnostic, but I have to admit that life can get really difficult when you lack belief in a God that is looking out for you.
I truly hope it is more than cope. That the believers will be vindicated. "Thou preparest a table for me in the presence of my enemies." Unbelievers laugh at the faith of others but will be silent forevermore once they come the lands of death.
Well God is not the problem nor his teaching. The people that use his name for their own merit. If you think you know what the problem is? the problem is us. Why you say about wealth, sickness, poverty, suffering, diseases, and death. Do you think this cannot be prevented if we have honest leaders, not selfish and bias? Do you think the teaching of my Lord Jesus Christ is false? Well, he is the only person who lived 100% accurate in this world and also his teachings promote true character and living. If you want a 100% accurate society, you can't find it in this world. You can find it in the next life.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -Marcus Aurelius
I've come to the conclusion that even if people are proven without a doubt that there is no God they would reject the evidence out of fear of the god that doesn't exist.
At the very best, one could come up with some series of thoughts that would reach to the conclusion that there is only a tiny chance that God does exist. It will always remain 100% certain that it is impossible to disprove the existence of God with 100% certainty, wether God exists or not. Just like most likely there will always be people, as long as there are people in this universe, who will deny any proof of God to be a true proof for God to exist. In short, I argue that the most rational decision one could make on this subject is never to accept any disproof of God as absolute truth, as such a proof could never be complete.
@@EdoTimmermans You missed the point of the video though. It is up to religions to prove the existence of their respective Gods. Its not the non believers's job to disprove them and of course you can't disprove something that doesn't exist just like you can't disprove the existence or non-existence of fairies and leprechauns
that relates to Pascual's Wager. Sadly, those people have consigned themselves to living in perpetual fear of millions of vindictive gods who just might (very improbably) exist. Unlike you, I think therefore the argument against making Pascual's Wager is strong, and that people are in fact courageous enough to conclude that there is no supernatural being and none of these gods exist. This does take courage and a good understanding of science, but it is a step being taken by increasing numbers of people.
I myself have come to the conclusion that if people are proven God exist without a doubt, they would still reject the evidence in fear of his judgment.
The fine tuning affects all organisms. Actually, it affects everything. If it was tuned differently then we also would be tuned differently but asking the same questions.
Natural Selection is a clever idea, but I cannot believe that if there were a personal Creator, it was _benevolent_ in choosing Death, disease, and Pain as the selection mechanism.
@@albertrogers2506 I dont know who said it but this is a pretty nice quote on the topic :"we do not survive thanks to our environement but despite it."
This is where the atheist argument ends: Luk 13:24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’
Oh no, not another section of a book taken out of context to prove the very book is accurate? Wow!!!!! Maybe that works in your world but not reality guy. Come with some real facts and not just more stories in a book created by unknown men.
This was great, but the objection to the teleological argument, as usual, missed the mark. The main problem with that argument is that is assumes the conclusion in the premise. One must assume that life was an intended feature of the universe for that to work at all. And if one assumes that, then they have already accepted the idea of an intentional agent as the cause of the universe. To claim that god is proved by our existence is no more rational than a Poker player being dealt a good hand and assuming that there was a god who made that happen. Our existence is valuable to us, therefore we see a universe capable of producing and supporting us as "fortuitous", but that is purely subjective. Even if there were a god, what if all he wanted to create was a machine that could make complex elements, and the unintended, and possibly unwanted byproduct was us? This argument for god is as weak as the ontological argument - it sucks.
Nevertheless, you will be judged by Him; and on present evidence, consigned to the Lake of Fire, and eternal oblivion, along with our esteemed professor.
+ timwebb1000 I see you as a victim and at the same time as a perpetrator of religious fear mongering. That's how many religions are handed down in peoples heads, like a kind of mental viruses. "an eternal lake of fire" in which humans should suffer for ever is such an absurd idea to believe in. And I feel real pity for you like I feel pity for women which live in a tradition where they think that genital mutilation of their daughters is a good thing.
19:03 correction; only 18 grams of water ( 1 mole of H20) has 30 times more water molecules than stars in entire estimated universe, not 6 million olympic swimming pools.. ( 6.02x10^23 water molecules in 1 mole, where as current estimate of stars is 2x10^22 ). so only 12 drops of water ( 0.6 ml water) matches number of stars in universe, not 6 million pools
*This is beautiful from Max Planck - founder of modern science, read it carefully:* _As a physicist, that is, a man who had devoted his whole life to a wholly prosaic science, the exploration of matter, no one would surely suspect me of being a fantast. And so, having studied the atom, I am telling you that there is no matter as such! All matter arises and persists only due to a force that causes the atomic particles to vibrate, holding them together in the tiniest of solar systems, the atom._ _Yet in the whole of the universe there is no force that is either intelligent or eternal, and we must therefore assume that behind this force there is a conscious, intelligent Mind or Spirit. This is the very origin of all matter_
A belief in god never seems to have prevented Peter Hitchens from being an odious, obnoxious, dissatisfied, and seemingly unhappy individual. Was living in the shadow of a vastly more celebrated (not always deserved) brother the root of his unpleasantness?
What you don't know doesn't exist, according to your perception of reality. And if in fact God reveals himself to some and not to others, it is smart to understand this situation 😕
@@megamillion2461 No matter the result, it was only one debate and the following vote does not refute or assert the existence of God for all of eternity. One vote is not reliable.
I prayed to God today for an answer and I will let you know the results tomorrow, by the way I have been an atheist for some years now. My friend told me I needed to pray to the god in the sky as I am facing eviction and my life has been shit. Unemployed for months now. So I will let you know if a divine being will save me. I have 5 days to pay my rent which I have been looking for a job any job for awhile now and ran out of money. This will be proof to those who say miracles exist or God is real and merciful.
I prayed for that once and in a week had a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house and two jobs and a car so we'll see what happens to you. "You pray and do not recieve" is in the bible as well so this argument works for Atheists and is does Christians as well.
I just want to let you guys know that praying is not the same as wishing. God is not the same as a Genie. Not just because you pray that it will make things better for you. Not just because you strive to be a good person that you will never suffer. Faith in God is to suffer and still love HIM. To be thankful despite our sufferings. Not just because you don't get what you want that He does not love you. And sometimes, the things that will make you happy is not what you need or at least what you think you need. Everything happens for a reason. And overcoming all materialistic ideals and selfishness you will be able to experience miracle from Him.
Kamal Kukreja Haha I found a place. It was from looking and it is not what I want buy hey. I did it myself. No one helped me. I made that statement because my friend claims being atheist is a joke. I laughed and told him okay I did the praying thing for years a no results but okay to prove a point.
ARakaLordBrilliant Assumption is the only grounds of which atheism has to stand on this being a primary example. You decided what God was and when he wasn't that you denounced him. The difference between you and me is that I let God tell me who he is rather than me telling him who he is.
“Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second.” Professor John Lennox. mathematician
@@punnet2 Which begs the question who created the creator who created the creator ... Who created the creator...... and if you are an atheist you believe that the universe created you, which begs the question who created the universe? Who is responsible for creating this hypothetical creator Dawkins?
you should watch the debates of Dr Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational, analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
@@Lichtgeschwindigkeit196 ….the resurrection is almost a historical fact? Almost and fact are opposites! Your argument leaves doubt and with it no proof the story is true.
Actually,@Tim H Horatio's "philosophy" to which Hamlet refers is that which we call science, and Hamlet is wrong but it's a good play and couldn't exist without the "ghost" of Hamlet's father. Literally, philosophy is love of knowledge. The brilliant physicist William Thomson, who was knighted and then raised to the peerage as Lord Kelvin, was professor of "Natural Philosophy" at Glasgow University. Properly interpreted, Natural Philosophy is NOT some vague speculations that happen to occur to the holder. Horatio's "philosophy" was exactly that, the love of the knowledge of the nature of Nature.
@@SirPaynejust because it’s a quote from a fictional character does not mean it can’t be a truism. Literature throughout time has used fantasy and fiction to make truth and reason digestible to the reader.
People with Alzheimer’s or brain injuries that lose their memory. Will they regain that once their soul leaves the body? Or are they just screwed for eternity? Who you are is purely a physical construct. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
actually to say we're physical would be a reasonable argument before the discovery of atoms,cells and the dna... now we know that we are purely energy and information... to say were only physical would be insane and delusional
Jay Mo name anything real that’s not physical. Anything made of atoms are physical. Energy is physical. Feelings like love and thoughts are the brain / mind. The mind is just what the brain does. Everything real is physical.
"Why did god wait 13.8 Billion years to develop a species that have a relationship with him?" Right!! Also, the body language of the twits gives everything away, they know the jiggy is up. Can we all just get along without a god, it's time to move on.
Welcome to determinism and ultimately nihilism. You now have to label things like love, hate, good and evil as mere human conventions. Good luck with your humanism. Wouldnt it benefit humanity if we got rid of say 5 billion people? Why not? Maybe hitler was on to something with his eugenics, would'nt the human race benefit in the long run? Why should we take care of the sick? I mean they are the weak and should not survive according to your darwinian materialism. You want there to be no God, but benifit from a society built on the belief of a god. So next rime you use the word good or bad, think about what/whose standard you are using?
@@172ndStudios Society built on the belief of a god? What, that vindictive, psychopathic bastard of the book of ancient texts masquerading as divine wisdom?
@@cliffordchapman801 welcome to moral relativity, you are sawing off the branch you are standing on. Why would you care if something is vindictive? Why care about anything? In a chaotic universe with no purpose anything goes. The end of the road for you is nihilism. Ask yourself why you cant stop thinking about God?
Bible is product of human creativity. Talking snakes, talking donkeys, people surviving 3 days within the belly of a whale, giants, people living 900+ Years,... I mean aint it obvious
But still very accurate. It did foretell this current "pandemic" in couple of places, for example in the book of Revelation chapter 18 verse 23, keyword being greek FARMAKEIA. Also the mark of the beast 666 is getting revealed as banks want to get rid of the cash and bring their digital currency even unto the root level, rendering us normal people as a slaves receiving a citizen's salary while worshipping one world leader, originating from shia-islamic world. Most likely a Kurdistanian as God will wipe Himself that character out of the world when He comes back to set Jerusalem free from the attacking armies.
@@jounijussila9701 How and where did it foretell the current pandemic? Did it say in 2020 there will be a pandemic? I could reliably predict another pandemic
@@georgepierson4920 where did you get that misinformation? I am an atheist and know about atrocities world wide both religious and communist. So you needn’t get on your high horse about communists committing human rights abuses. Practically every Sth American catholic country has done so and Christianities record of violence goes back centuries. You would agree that America Is a religious country? Well in an ILLEGAL war against Vietnam America dropped Napalm on children, setting them on fire and Agent Orange on civilians the result of which is being felt to this day in the form of birth defects in babies. They dropped more bombs on civilians in Hanoi than were dropped in the whole of world war 2, while at the same time telling the American people they had stopped the bombing. Peace talks were arranged between the President and Ho Chi Minh but were scuppered by Richard Nixon resulting in the war continuing and the loss of many more young American lives. Both President Johnson and Nixon profess to be religious. I find that human behaviour doesn’t depend on whether you are religious or not or what politics you follow. The atomic bombs dropped on Japan during the war were blessed by a catholic priest who confessed that the bombing of civilians was forbidden in the Catholic Church. I could give further evidence about atrocities carried out in the name of religion, but it serves no purpose.
"It is only at the semantic level that we really have meaningful information; thus, we may establish the following theorem: Theorem 14: Any entity, to be accepted as information, must entail semantics; it must be meaningful. Semantics is an essential aspect of information because the meaning is the only invariant property. The statistical and syntactical properties can be altered appreciably when information is represented in another language (e.g., translated into Chinese), but the meaning does not change. Meanings always represent mental concepts; therefore, we have: Theorem 15: When its progress along the chain of transmission events is traced backward, every piece of information leads to a mental source, the mind of the sender." Dr. Werner Gitt (Former Head of the Department of Information Technology at Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, Germany)
When I stopped believing in Santa, I never went to go convince others kids he wasn’t real because I knew it for a fact! And didn’t care if others did or not!! The need to convince people is just the subconscious hope that if other people agree with you there’s a better chance that you are right. But to tell people that for a fact God does not exist at all because you just know so much is actually more bizarre than saying he does. God doesn’t want religion he only wants your LOVE ❤️ if you were staring death in the face and there were no others to convince , would you still believe it yourself that there is no God? Or would the fear of what’s after death be enough for you to realize that the feeling of Love that is a universal human language is in fact from GOD
@@Kaputnik11 *For several reasons. One of them is that one of your fellows has been trolling (in fact hijacking) this comment section and some others for 10+ years and I had to remove his s-t. Another one is that I like sharing the truth with people and the truth is opposite to the doctrine of Aronra's cult. For instance real science and all the greatest scientists of this planet pointed to an intelligent creator, while Aronra's disciples think and claim that their beliefs are "science".*
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻-c3rIt’s amazing to see how little you know about science if you think its a belief system, or that is has a “doctrine” Science is a tool for measuring reality…so far there are no scientific studies that show a case for a God or gods, but when there is, it will change…because actual real evidence will come out.
@quantum Regarding God, I have written the following in one of my Bengali books: "Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why that bastard God had to create such a bastard world? Why couldn't he stay alone?' Will you please explain the fear of what has compelled me to write the above about God?
@@udaybhanuchitrakar8812 Hello, It was no god that created this bastard world why? because no god exists! It's humans who pretend to like each other that is till the other human has something more than his neighbour.
@quantum In your OP you have presented a thesis that fear is the cause due to which man believes in God. I have contradicted that thesis by positing the existence of a God whom I have described as a bastard God. And I have also posed a question: what sort of fear has compelled me to posit the existence of such a God. Here it was expected that you would defend your thesis and so answer my question. Nobody wants to know whether there's a God or not. But they want to know how you will counter my challenge. And there you have failed miserably. If you do not know how to defend your thesis, then why have you presented it?
There is no God, true, at least not that God, but there is a source, let's call it the consciousness behind all that exist. Well it's not perfect, that's why it morphed into the universe with all its dynamics, to observe itself silently. It's not so benevolent but it had to learn, couldn't do it by itself so yeah, life happened 🤗. We're all here to learn, why? Because you are God and God is you, US! Flaws sins strengths spirit ect ect
Now that I've watched the 3 speakers in the "God does NOT exist" camp, I can move onto another debate topic. It is clear the apologists here will have nothing convincing to offer.
If you're that sure then You should watch the debates of Dr Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational, analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
Thankfully, I'll never have to worry about a non-entity called 'God' not liking me and preventing my entrance to a silly non-existent place called 'Heaven'.
The only way to argue for an invisible, undetectable magic being that chooses to be hidden is by presupposition and at the expense of a desire for the truth. NO ONE has yet provided a convincing argument or any persuasive evidence for their god claims. Work on those things first before submitting more pointless comments.
0:59 I am in the same circumstance. I want to believe but there is just no clear evidence. People believe in god because it satisfies their desire for comfort and ease.
My fear is just disappearing and saying goodbye to everything I’ve ever loved and seen. I have an extreme fear and anxiety of going through life just counting my life away, developing my love for this world and the ability to live, only to give it up at the end.
@@BonQy you will not exist for a while, that's for sure. if reincarnation or whatever does happen it will happen in the blink of an eye because you have no concept of time when you'e dead. if there is a something it will occur quickly.
I deduce from the replies that there are two interpretations of your question. I took it to mean can other evolved organisms have consciousness. The way that any social animal behaves, looks like consciousness to me. Dogs in particular seem to display consciousness of humans.
Amazing speaker, really intelligent arguments and very funny at the same time. Even though I believe in God, I really like this guy and will surely listen to some more talks of him in the future!
You should watch the debates of Dr Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational, analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
@@iwilldefeattheguywithmusta6054 What convinces me not to leave Religion are the shocking supernatural cases in the religious experience, that is, the visions, prophecies, apparitions, all this defies science and makes me think that ultimately there is something supernatural in Religion and that tries to communicate with us through different religions perhaps.
@@iwilldefeattheguywithmusta6054 If there is no afterlife and all religions are false, then how to explain that in near-death experiences, and that after death the brain is still working (which in itself is questionable, since there are cases of people who last dead for hours) only explains "how" it happens, but does not explain "why" it happens, does not explain why the subjects experience going to a place that is repeated almost as constant, for example Heaven is almost always described in these experiences as a garden, field or forest, as well as that in hell in these experiences very frequently it is detailed that the body of the tortured is regenerated after suffering a lot of damage and prepared to be tortured again and this cycle is repeated indefinitely .
@@Lichtgeschwindigkeit196 the fact that we can't explain why certain things happen doesn't make your story true. The fact that the brain remains active for sometime after death doesn't prove that the 'afterlife' is real. The accounts of 'afterlife' are mere unverifiable dreams and dreams are greatly influenced by our daily experiences and thoughts. So, for example if a person keeps hearing about heaven and hell from preachers it's not unlikely for the person to dream about heaven and hell once in a while.
re: fine tuning, "Look!", said the puddle, "How perfectly the shape of the ground fits me. It could only have been made specifically for me! How glorious!"
I've been in a few of this religions and now I stop going cause it really was not doing nothing for me God was not no where, I use to sing Christian songs and they made me fill empty. So I stop and started taking responsibility for my own actions believing in myself and applying everything to believe in myself and I fill whole again n now that I believe in myself I believe in others n have a beautiful peace of mind
If you've bounced around religions, did you ever have any sincere convictions to begin with? And if you only subscribe to taking responsibility for your actions, according to your moral code, you can just as easily bend those morals to suit your agenda at that time. That is a fickle stance in my opinion.
There is no need to convince anyone outside of yourself that God is. The people calling themselves atheist will know that God is. It does not matter what anyone thinks outside of me, I know that God is, because I know that I Am. God is not separate from me, I am one with God. As I will not try to prove to anyone God is real by using books, I do not want anyone trying to disprove God by using books. I can only present myself as living proof that God is, because I Am. The proof of God is in you, and me, not outside of you, or me. If you can prove you are not, than you can prove that God is not. “I THINK! THEREFORE, I AM!” So because God is, therefore, I Am. God and me are one and the same. I dare not think that I Am separate from God, because I know that I am not separate from God, and God is not separate from me. There is no such thing as matter; everything we call matter, is: “Infinite Potential, Infinite Probability; Infinite Possibility; and Infinite Power” compressed into form, for a specific function. What we call death is the separation of the meta-physical me, from my temporal material body, the compressed functioning form of me that gave me an identity in the material world. Upon death I return to the anti-matter world where I can from, and in time the whole material Universe will decompress, and return to its purest form of infinite potential; infinite possibility; infinite probability; infinite power, and infinite promise, where everything is Light, Life, Alive, Love, and Living. I know all of these things to be true intuitively, I did not learn, know or understand these thing by anything outside of me, but by the eternal truth that is in me, and I am not blind, therefore I am free, and I can clearly see the truth. NO RELIGION NECESSARY!
You are so right. God does exist! Undoubtedly! Under the roof of your skull where he resides and should be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he’s bound to dissolve in thin air :)
*A very beautiful one from Lord Kelvin says the same thing as all other greatest scientists:* _If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God._
Unless you are 93% of the world’s top scientists. Neil DeGrass Tyson pointed this out in one of his lectures with statistics that, the more people know about science, the less they believe in a god.
@@Chickennuggie1498*All the greatest scientists of this planet acknowledged an intelligent creator, Eldridge. I know you are q ballet dancer who cannot really grasp reality, for obvious reasons.*
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻 who is Eldridge? Who are all these scientists you speak of? The claims you assert are a matter of clear biased opinion. Who is to say that your take is better than mine?
@@Chickennuggie1498I suggest the correct interpretation is "the more time people are marinated in the toxic stew of epistemological dysfunction that is modern atheist university science departments, the less they believe in God".
@@manuellayburr382 great question, but if indeed it was God who created this universe why would he have to limit himself to need the things (air, oxygen molecules) that HE created? Think of it this way, as 3 dimensional beings do we require anything from the second dimension? No!
@@yilamwong749 This is simply a non sequitur. Once you put God into the equation, everything else can be explained by, well not explaining it like you just did.
As a species, if humans were able to feel unconditional love towards all other humans, it would not be possible to worship an image of a judge-mental god.
If everyone were able to feel u conditional love, atheists would stop mocking people they deem “intellectually” inferior and start focusing on the little time we have left. But humans are still sinful, sadly. And we look on people different as stupid and delusional.
@@elchapo1049 i think perhaps you're right that people shouldn't "mock" people they consider less intelligent than them for that. but i think it's extremely important to challenge beliefs - such as religious beliefs - as i think that's how you develop understandings. i think beliefs should be considered, challenged, debated, evidence presented. i think they should NOT be left for the people who believe them to believe - perhaps it's fine if it only affects that person; but i think religions affect many other people and i think they often influence consideration of evidence, which i think is a problem. like i think many children of religious people may be indoctrinated, manipulated into a belief which they may later disagree with. and i think belief without evidence is a silly thing - perhaps many people find religions comforting, but i think they're very unlikely to be true. i think you're right that we should try to enjoy the little time we have left. i think that when we die, we'll very likely cease to exist, making this time we have alive very precious i think. so i think we should try to focus on our time in existence.
@Ricky Anthony Theists do that quite a lot, actually. It’s called missionary work. A lot of atheists mock them for it can and call them narcissistic though.
God created man and the earth if you don't believe me. If u have the courage check out the link. Your life without God is a ticking time bomb it is very dangerous to reject God th-cam.com/video/I11L71PD3Lw/w-d-xo.html
@@Wisdom24-7 damn your IQ is -100. Religions will all disappear soon once your generation will fade, its over bitch with your wack ass, yo bitch, feel used, thank you for these laughs
Did God create evil, violence, and everything that is wrong with society and people today? Can you ask a killer if God told him to kill and do violence? Can you ask a rapist whether God asked him to do it? It would really help if you asked those guys personally.
Did you asked the rapist why he raped that girl? Or did you ask why did the killer do it? Well, ask them if God did tell them to do it. Did you also ask the people who made themselves sick because of eating too much food that does not belong to their bodies? Even vices, well you can't because it is their choice. God did not create us to become robots. He gives us life and it is a gift. The problem is the world itself, not him, It is us.
Believers do tickle me. There are two stances when faced with a claim; belief until the claim is disproven, or disbelief until the claim is proven. Believers apply stance 2 to every other god, and every other supernatural entity, then apply stance 1 to their deity of choice, and invoke a bit of special pleading or appeals to faith.
The earth is just a speck of dust in comparison with the whole universe and we are living on it in partnership with other numerous species of life. What can our limited mind achieve in this vast creation in terms of knowledge? You need to be a God to understand and control the whole universe.
9:00 this view really makes me think, what if there is a new kind of physical object, which is atemporal, somethink so increadibly remarkable and different from everything we know, which was the reason behind the beggining of everything, maybe it could be a stronger generalization of the notion of a field, or maybe it could be a structure so different we would need a new Michael Faraday in order to reaveal it for us, and when humanity finaly discovers it, future generations of scientists would look at us and say "how they couldn't see it?", it could be something so different that perhaps not even the mathematical tools in order to describe it exist in our era
"are we supposed to accept" There is no WE. You are free to accept, or not, whatever you wish. I suggest at least pretending to subscribe to the ideals of your employer.
@@Chickennuggie1498 "wot?" Yes, absolutely. I could write it again or you could save me the time and simply read it again. But it seems some elaboration might be needed. "Supposed to" is a rule based statement. It implies the existence of an Authority that has issued Rules that you are Supposed To obey. Authorities exist in vast number and includes your spouse, your employer, your church leaders or in substitute your DNC (Democratic National Committee), AND IF you wish to curry favor with your favorite Authority, THEN you are "supposed to" do whatever that authority decrees.
@@Chickennuggie1498 "The whole biblical narrative is based on authority" Yes. Many authorities! The genius of some part of it is render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. I have many authorities in my life, well, several at least. When I was in the Navy long enough I became one of the authorities. I am also pedantic; I process words carefully. It is a useful skill for computer programming; sometimes less so in social settings where many people, maybe most, do not construct meaningful sentences. "are we supposed to accept the observations, conclusions of people who thought the world to be flat " Let us imagine a person named Tom. He lives near Fargo, North Dakota, and believes the world is flat, because at Fargo, North Dakota, it is so flat it doesn't even follow the curvature of the earth. This is because it is in the bottom of an extremely shallow bowl caused by the Red River valley. Anyway, he observes that summer is hot and winter is cold. Very cold. Indescribably cold. The question then becomes SHOULD you accept his observations? Oh, I misspoke; should WE accept his observation? I am a drone, a bee, a sheep; I do not think for myself in fact I have no idea what to think or do unless WE have decided it. Okay, well, I'm not actually a sheep or bee and I am not a we. But many people ARE we. I TENTATIVELY accept anyone's observations on any topic until and unless I have judged the observation to be false. Now, if the observation is within the realm of things I believe the person is in error about, I am less likely to even tentatively accept an observation. So, the person that believes the entire planet is a disk, and not a sphere, seems to be in error and is probably not a reliable source of information about geography, geology, astronomy, mathematics, navigation. But at the same time may well be expert in biology, genetics, computer science, electronics and so on; things that do not depend on correct understanding of the shape of the Earth.
This debate , in truth, begs the question.."Which God does the panel of "believers" choose to believe?" They didn't go there, no, it wasn't the question, but if it were, it would have led to a magical, mystical journey into mythologies and THERE is where the truth would be exposed. Throughout history man has been ruled by myths of their choosing albeit by a "god" or a ruling government (truly there is no difference!)
Every theist is an atheist except for the one god or group of gods they believe in. And wouldn't you know it, the religion they're born into is the one they believe in!
@@Oluwatobilobaotun If somebody is a muslim, the chances of them having been raised by muslim parents in a muslim country are extremely high. The same thing applies to every religion. The % of the global population that switches to another faith is very small, and the vast majority of the time the switch is made by way of marriage. Historically, it was often coercive, due to imperialism.
@@markrm16 Islam is very unlike Christianity which is the God in the debate. As opposed to Islam there are multiple Christian converts solely of their own volition. Many times through supernatural experiences or just reason and logic, not forced, not born. Some even renounced but later realized that there has to be GOD. And isn’t Atheism a Faith and yet multiple people switch to that? If you didn’t know, it takes much mor faith to be an Atheist, to believe that we all just came to be and we would just go without any purpose to our existence. It’s just a little more outrageous than actually believing that for something to be there has to be a creator.
There are many mysteries about God, like the famous "Problem of Evil" (how God being good can allow evil) and you can watch videos here on TH-cam about it and know the christian explanations; but the most important thing about God is the fact that he loves you and he gave Jesus as a sacrifice for you; you can find more in this blog called "EveryStudent", it helped me a lot to get many of my questions answered.
You should watch the debates of Dr Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational, analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
The news (all bad stuff) is défnitely not from God, as He addresses this wrong in James 4:1 Also, He Himself said, "learn from Me, for I Am soft at heart". Please, do not blame our loving Father for any negative thing, as all of that come from the devil - and the devil áfter His cross is that person, living from his carnal mind (where there is hardly any grace). Please, don't point a finger to a holy loving God and Father, as He is innocent.
Brodric Johnson: What's truly "more sinister" is indoctrinating young children with religious dogma before their minds have developed to the point at which they can think for themselves and see what they're being told for the BS that it is. Peter Millican wasn't trying to "convince others of a lie", he was just exposing the lies that so many believers refuse to question.
I can't stop looking at emo kid back there. But I do agree, I wanted to believe, I spent years studying and reading. I prayed. I begged. I went to CFNI. I finally came to the point where I realized, it just isn't true. My foundation was built on lies. Which was very difficult. I am in a better place now. I have never been more free and happy than I am today. There is freedom from religion.
@@quantumphysics4692 Yes, I do, he even speaks my native language fairly well. People who never visited a university get easily impressed by an academic title. A PhD doesn't stop you from saying and believing nonsense. Argument from personal incredulity by Lennox: th-cam.com/video/vXX9koKOkTs/w-d-xo.html
@@SirPayne Have you read his books? They’re very good. I watched that Lennox Dawkins debate a long time ago…I really honed in on how miserable and depressed Dawkins looks and how much happier Lennox seems. It’s not even up for debate though. God’s a fact. To assume Hitler received the same fate as Ghandi or Mother Theresa in eternal nothingness is incredibly simple minded. th-cam.com/users/shortsY2NhWkHifaA?feature=share
It's so hilarious how carnal men with there carnal finite minds try to ingnore the existence of a spiritual infinite God, it's like a speck of dirt floating around in a beautiful and intricately made house and says to its self there is no builder behind this house just because with it's carnal finite mind can't comprehend the existence of a spiritual infinite builder
We are almost blind, deaf, incapable to feel and we pretend to know it all, come on! We need more humility.... One skeptic guy was taken into a room once and there he was asked if there was a bloodstain on the wall, he turn around and laughed because he could see nothing resembling any kind of corporal fluid on the wall. Then the UV light was turned on and he was able to see beyond his very limited spectrum of visible light and the blood, urine, saliva and sweat remains suddenly appeared before his very eyes. After that he was asked another question "can you imagine your life can be in danger in this 'empty' room? And he said that there was nothing in the room that could harm him. Obviously he had no idea that the room was receiving ionizong radiation from an ambulatory X ray machine that could cause cancer and DNA mutation leading to death even in the next months. Then he was shown the radiation meter and was aware of his own exposure to harmful electromagnetic radiation. Later on he was asked to describe the sounds he could hear in the room and he replied that there were none. To prove him that there were imperceptible infrasound noises below 20 Hz in the room he had to see a sound level meter to be conscious that in fact he was unable to hear the existing noises in the house. Finally he was asked to turn the radio on and to touch, see, smell, feel if possible the FM radio waves and he was proved once that his perception was so limited as to conclude that only palpable, visible, audible things exist. So it might be correct for any skeptic to say that angels, demons and God don't exist in their visible light espectrum (380-700 nm), and they don't speak to them either (in 20-20,000 Hz) and cannot cause any damage (at least in the known or perceived forms of harmful electromagnetic radiation). Whatever knowledge that is claimed beyond our perception is mere bragging. We should just remain silent about the things we cannnot even perceive
So somebody brought the most ignorant, lowbrow, unintellectual skeptic into a room, asked them a few questions that they obviously didn’t think about for very long before answering, gave literally the worst answers they could think of(which would never happen yet conveniently fit your terrible argument) and you think this proves something? For fucks sake man🤦🏼♂️ Anyone who has been to a club or a rave, worked in a motel/hotel, seen any kind of cop show on tv, knows what UV light is and does. Anybody who has gotten hurt and needed to go to the doctor for an x-ray, and put on that big heavy lead vest, knows that x-rays, which you can’t see, are extremely dangerous. Anybody who has ever had a dog and used a dog whistle knows that there are sounds that our ears cannot hear. I don’t know where you found the skeptic guy in your argument, but he’s an idiot, and doesn’t sound very skeptical to me at all.
@@dorkception2012 exactly both of them are equally ignorant but pretend to know everything about this world, the afterlife, the universe, the metaverse, etc
@@martinbernal3161 Err, buddy, there are no skeptic that would consider the afterlife as a topic to discuss until it has been proven in any way. Skeptics are those who are absolutely never say 6that there is a 100% truth about something. Educate yourself and be less moronic.
you should watch the debates of Dr Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational, analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
@@Lichtgeschwindigkeit196 Dr William lane Craig is a phony. He has mentioned before that nothing could shake him out of his position no matter how much evidence you brought to the table against him.
Peter Hitchens reminds me of a Vorgon, just dying to recite 64 hours worth of poetry! Something tells me that he is just intensely jealous of his older, much more charismatic and smarter brother.
*Vogon. I'm embarrassed to report I thought exactly the same thing!. I agree re: Hitchens sibling rivalry. Weird how they both did a 180 switcheroo though: Peter from atheist to sniveling authoritarian, and Christopher (a hero figure for me) from socialist to pro-war neocon.
"What if you're wrong?" Then, I suppose I'll avoid the eternal prison where everything that makes me who I am is removed through an unknown supernatural consciousness labotomy. But, if I'm right, I'll be taking full advantage of the only opportunity I have to experience existence. That, and I won't have to persecute gays. I don't wanna persecute gays.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Yes, that’s what that says. This is about as useless as quoting the Harry Potter books to someone who doesn’t believe these books are literal history. Telling them that Dumbledore ate a magic tasting bean isn’t going to get them to believe in magic.
@@arcticpangolin3090 What does that God to do with people being saved You guys really need Jesus Christ Believe from your heart And seek him Because you will find him All you have to do is believe because you are just like everyone else a sinner look at the ten commandments.
@@mirandarogers3595 I’m pointing out the utter ridiculousness of simply quoting the bible in this context. No non Christian is gonna read that and go “you know what god does exist. As for the Ten Commandments, the only ones I would have broken I don’t consider moral guides in the first place. The ones I haven’t broken are not because of the existence of the commandments but rather the basic morality found in pretty much every culture to ever exist, including those which are entirely independent from Judaism or Christianity.
@@arcticpangolin3090 It don't matter believers tell people about God and God does the rest Believers plant that seed and God does the rest Romans 10:17 King James Version 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
you should watch the debates of Dr Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational, analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
One night my family and I gathered in the living room to discuss this same topic: “How can we be so sure that God exists and that we are worshipping the correct true God?” Well, we talked and reasoned about the topic for several hours until we all concluded in agreement that it is only by Faith that we decide to believe/trust in our conviction of believing in God. So, since we concluded that our belief in God was based on Faith, we all decided to just go to bed and leave it at that. When I woke up the next morning, I sat up on the edge of my bed, grabbed my Bible, and made a quick prayer to God. I said to God: “God, please speak to me through this Bible, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.” THAT’S ALL I PRAYED. Then, I opened up my Bible in no specific order/manner, and laid my eyes on the first words I saw on the page. What I read next had me feeling so scared that I almost threw the Bible on the ground as I was shocked of the fact that what I was reading, felt like God was literally talking to me in person. The passage I read is found in the New Testament, in the book of Galatians Chapter 1 verses 6 through 9 which read: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are following a different gospel - not that there really is another gospel, but there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!” That morning, I believe God himself directly gave me the answer to last night’s long discussion topic: “Is God real? Do I believe in the correct and true God?” The answer is YES. God is REAL! I’m a Christian since the age of around 10 so I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and that ONLY He is the path to SALVATION. That all who believe in Jesus Christ will not perish but live eternally with Him in Heaven. Jesus Christ said: “I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. Nobody comes to the Father but by me.” So, nobody can be with the Father(God) but ONLY through believing and accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. God bless you all and may God keep you safe from all of the devil’s lies and tactics to distract or push you away from the one TRUE GOD. AMEN!!!
Oh so you were traumatized into belief by a god who supposedly gave you the mind to question but will condemn you to hell if you do...sounds nice. If that is your God then I hope you do not open you mouth to condemn any other megalomaniac--Hitler, Putin, Mussolini...because yours is 10x worse. And darling, coincidences happen, especially when the bible is full of quotes like that,
"an experienced showman" Actually, he's an experiences and brilliant philosopher with over 200 articles published in peer-reviewed journals of philosophy, over 30 books collaborating with some of the best philosophers of the modern era and he's been praised as one of the great thinkers of our age by many top atheist philosophers like Quentin Smith. Alot of atheists seem to think Craig is just a "showman" or debating. Debating is just something he does on the side.
@@Southpaw88Name ONE single philosopher who was great BECAUSE he believed in God? And name one philosopher who should be of value if his intellect was not sufficient to allow him to question that which is patently ridiculous.
I just love how much Michael Shermer is enjoying this. His own speech and his presence here is really complementary, I’m glad he was invited.
He's a clown among clowns.
What's the difference between an invisible, all powerful being that exists outside space and time, and nothing at all? No difference at all.
wutt? if you don't know the difference then i pity your brain
Your inability to comprehend the existence of God does not disprove God. It only illustrates a lack of understanding on your part.
@@mikev4755 Reserving a place for the possibility of something unknown to exist(God), doesn't mean it exists. extreme open mindedness.
Our ignorance cannot be used to positively state the existence of something we cannot demonstrate, that's silly.
Here we have recognizable, measurable gullability, seriously gods in outerspace!
Ask religious people have they ever had a wet fart i.e. shit there pants by
accident. If so then why do they believe in an intelligent
designer?!
If god existed there would be no need to prove his existence
Prove me that God doesn't exist?.
@@user-ci9te3yt6t 1) god does exist. In one form or another under the roof of your skull and there he should reside and be protected because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air
2) you never asked for evidence to belief in god to begin with so you can only care even less in proof of his non existence
3) disproving the existence of a non existing entity would be a nonsensical undertaking without a limit. You can’t ask me to disprove the existence of the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, Father Christmas, pixies, elves, trolls, goblins or god.
4) you believe in a celestial wizard so the burden of proof rest on your shoulders
It's funny since this comment reminds me of many people who believe Earth is flat while trying to prove that it is.
@@thestruggler7926 be careful with your memories because they clearly lead to nonsensical conclusions
@@user-ci9te3yt6t
God of the Bible? Sure.
God as a supernatural being? Unfalsifiable. Moot point.
Guy in the Background: ”it’s not a phase mom ”
What I expected in the comment section: Religious debate
What I got: People complaining about the twat in the background.
+peronkop It's cause the debate was over before it began. This debates are for entertainment.
RG Yeah, bashing religion has really fallen out of fashion ever since feminism began going apeshit.
Hahaha he’s such a fat twat. I love him.
Well he is proof there is no god, so it's fairly relevant.
peronkop 😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The problem I have with these debates is that the opposing sides are addressing quite different topics.
Yeah, that's called logic versus belief.
@@elwoodsweetapple3269 logic itself cant be explained by science, does that mean its not real? obviously not. You have to simply believe that your logic is valid in order to do science.
Here's my argument against the Bible:
The story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego form the book of Daniel 1. If your'e not familiar, the story depicts the three Jewish men being thrown into a fiery furnace by Nebuchadnezzar II, King of Babylon, for refusing to bow to the king's image. The three however are preserved from harm by God.
Vs
The Holocaust, which exterminated approx. 1,1 million Jews in the gas chambers (along with cripples, redheads, blacks, and other peoples the Nazis sought to exterminate).
Same scenario, same religous belief and believers, yet the accredited story had no divine intervention. The only options are that the Jewish people weren't praying hard enough to save their lives, God was on vacation or ignored them, or God does not exist.
Funny ain't it, how the only time god intervenes is in unsubstantiated, unverifiable old stories yet fails to intervene in exactly the same cicumstances in an era when it could be accurately recorded and verified. "But he dosn;t intervene cos of free will!" they will cry. But that didn;t seem to bother god in the old stories.
@@richardgregory3684 Precisely!
@@andrewdowns3673 Wrong.
@@richardgregory3684 You're so ignorant.
Ah, we’re doing this again. Classic.
Having seen all 6 videos in this debate, I have to say that the side who argued that "there is NOT a God" won by a landslide if you analyse the arguments from both sides. It was almost painful to watch at times because the difference in quality of the arguments was so clear and obvious.
Then you had to list all the contrasting arguments and mark right and false with your related perceptions. You had a mind-shift from only an aggression on the floor...
@@WaqarAhmad1. wot?
Doubt it
@WaqarAhmad1. ?
@@WaqarAhmad1. Late answer here, but I didn't understand the last sentense of your original reply. Could you please clarify?
Peter Hitchens isn't a patch on his brother, who is sadly missed now.
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@AllSeeingEye ofGod god is the big gay
Chris England of course.
AllSeeingEye ofGod you are delusional my friend.
He's the polar opposite
@AllSeeingEye ofGod so where did he get the tigers from.
19:50 He's talking about the concept of 'immaterial soul' (which I think everyone agrees no one really knows exactly how it works) and says that there's no possible way this 'immaterial soul' can ever reconcile with the existence of a material world such as we know it. Hmmmm... and how does he come to this conclusion?
because it dosent have any proof at all
Mmm, that's a good question to think on..
Square pegs don’t fit into a round hole. Immaterial things can’t interact with material things. Ghosts don’t bump into walls-they go through them.
@@wollyworm5995Doesn't it? Look into the 45+ years and over 200+ published scientific studies on NDEs and ADEs. ( Near Death Experience research ).
HEBREWS 11:1,”FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR,THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN”.
@Jubei Yang "How do you know that it is evidence when you have not seen?" I see a tree bending, leaves fluttering. That is the visible evidence of unseen wind blowing. It really is just that simple. The idea is that you probably do not see God, but you can see the *effects* of God. The problem of course is discerning God. For instance, someone might have a string tied to the tree making it move and flutter, and it wasn't the wind. Sometimes the *evidence* isn't entirely conclusive. In this context, one *hopes* for salvation or eternal life or even just a bit of happiness in this life, and the hope is sustained by some evidence which everyone can see but which you interpret as signifying the existence of God.
@Jubei Yang "Are you that stupid?" *NO* (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines ). Now if you were to quantify exactly what level of stupidity you mean I could give you a more nuanced answer. "you see the effects of the wind so the same applies to God?" yes, that is precisely so. At least you understand the analogy. You cannot see gravity, only its effects. You cannot see electricity, only its effects. You can see only a relatively narrow range of wavelengths, 400 to 600 nanometers (more or less) all other wavelengths are invisible to your eyes and senses but you can see their effects. Wind is moving air, its effect is manifest only when something *resists* the moving air and as a result energy is transferred from air to object, or in the case of a fan or blower, from object to air. So it is that God can presumably both accept and source energy; but how you *interpret* that energy is unpredictable to me. At any rate, it should be obvious that it is impossible to say that this is not so, that there is no God; for you have little or no idea what is the nature of that interaction, and if God chooses to not interact with you, then for you he does not exist or might as well not exist.
@Jubei Yang Contemplate for a moment two goldfish in a bowl or aquarium. One is trying to persuade the other of the existence of "water". The second says, "There is no such thing as water, prove it to me!" How is that to be done? It cannot be done; for both fish have been in water their entire lives and consequently don't even have a name for it. There is no boundary condition by which to detect it. But the first fish leaped out of the tank and was quickly rescued by something with five fingers, who the first fish named "god" but was Billy rescuing his pet goldfish. At any rate, the experience showed the fish the existence of NOT-water, by which the existence of water was bounded and defined.
So it is that many people live in constant contact with God their entire lives not once realizing the nearly omni-presence, and if it was entirely omnipresent then nobody would detect it. But occasionally someone steps out of the light and perceives the darkness, and on perceiving darkness, also perceives light.
Now between you and me, what exactly do you mean by stupid? I who see more things than you, or you who are blind? You are correct; my enhanced sight makes me more responsible for my decisions and actions; your limited vision somewhat excuses your choices because you cannot choose a thing you do not see. For that you are excused.
@Jubei Yang You must be one of the goldfish."
Yes, and so are you.
"You meant to say that God can be felt, touched, smelled and seen?"
Yes, if he wishes it. you either have to go where he is, which is difficult to impossible, or he comes to you, which is possible but rare.
"Even the goldfish see the water, feel it, smell it and swim in it."
Water cannot be seen from the inside. I am a SCUBA diver among other things. What you see is not-water (dirt, fish, plants). You feel it but will not have named it "water". It simply *is* whatever it is and doesn't need a name. Have you named the baryons in which you swim right now? Probably not.
"Where's your God?"
Where ever he wishes to be. I am not his secretary to know where he is right now.
"Can you feel him, touch him, see him, and smell him?"
I can if he wishes it. Feeling is the easiest, next after that is seeing. Touching is extremely rare and I've never yet met anyone mention smelling him. That would probably be a sign of not-God.
You have repeatedly failed to mention "hearing" which is the most common reportage regarding God. I shall include it for completeness.
"You are even more stupid than your goldfish"
Thank you for this opportunity to demonstrate my politeness as compared to your rudeness.
"because the goldfish understand that they could not leave the water."
So you are a "goldfish whisperer", knowing the thoughts of goldfish. That's interesting.
@Jubei Yang "You are more stupid than the goldfish."
Seems like I've encountered those words before. Oh yes, your previous comment! It didn't work then. Perhaps it will work now.
"When the water recedes and the goldfish cannot get oxygen from the water, it struggles to breathe."
Ineed it does.
"When its body is exposed to air, it knows that death is not far away and it will swim to deeper water."
I think that *knowing* is an exaggeration but yes, it will instinctively seek out water more to its liking.
"Goldfish are not stupid like you."
Perhaps. But who are you conversing with and what does that make you?
"Your God is omnipresent but you can't see, smell, or touch him."
Well, mine isn't omnipresent. Your mileage obviously varies.
"When I push your head understand water and you struggle to breathe, no God to help you!!!"
I expect as much. He's more of a scientist; observes human beings, doesn't interfere much.
"There's no God to save you."
Agreed. I do not expect God to save me from assassins. What he is much more likely to do is to alert me to their presence. Gods do not save humans. Humans save humans. I should advise that I use the word "God" in a somewhat generic manner to mean any of many possible metaphysical agents that have the power to inform me of things. It is also likely that what you believe "God" means is different than what I mean by it; which is what makes these conversations so entertaining.
7:06 Peter Hitchens makes an interruption to draw a distinction between "knows" and "believes" at a point when Peter is discussing a point John Lennox made, "if you believe the resurrection is true, there's a God". Perhaps he should have interrupted John! But it is quite simply a fallacious argument as he proves by example.
But quite simply knowing and believing are related. If you "know" something is unlikely, impossible or implausible then you don't believe it and if you feel you know something is true, then you believe it. So I think it is stupid unless it is a confession that he believes in spite of his knowledge to the contrary.
We can have doubts about whether we know anything. So you could argue that "knowing" is really having a strong belief indistinguishable from certainty.
"If you know something is unlikely or implausible... then you don't believe it"
Is the formation of a complex multidimensional expanding universe (possibly multi-verse) following laws of physics and containing an infinite amount of truth, beauty, and love to be discovered out of a formless void implausible or unlikely?
The fact you can doubt all of human knowledge is not evidence that humans don't know anything. It's an assumption one can make. Doesn't mean it will get you any closer to the truth, it will actually keep you in a perpetual state of doubt.
@TR13400 My argument was of you think something is implausible, you don't believe it by default.
It is true of pink bananas, jackpot winning lottery tickets, expanding universes full of love and omni gods.
The more implausible, the greater the corroborative evidence you should require to believe.
@@TR13400pretending to know things is not knowing things.
We only know stuff by assuming we know nothing and then working from observations, experiments in the light of theories, which may or may not be disproved.
@psychologicalprojectionist I completely reject this entire comment.
Just because you think something is implausible that doesn't mean it didn't happen or can't happen.
I also reject Carl's Sagans slogan of extraordinary evidence. All truth claims have the same standard of evidence to me, proven beyond reasonable doubt.
What I actually believe is different, because we have a subjective experince and we require faith to believe in anything. There it falls on what evidence you believe is most reliable.
How can anyone defend something that cannot be properly defined? Believers can not tell us what God is, they can only tell us what God is not. "God is invisible, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, and beyond human understanding". So why are you wasting your time by trying to understand God? Why even bring God up, if God, and nothing, look exactly the same?
"God is omniscient, omnipotent, is love and is good...". That is not defining what God is, that is just telling us what he is capable of, and what kind of personality he has. Try again.
HAHAHAHA OK Try this on for size. Describe me any person without telling me their personality or what they're capable of. You can't. They're inextricably linked. You're just stupid.
LOL God is a person man that's the simplest definition ever... too bad you got hit on the head as a child stupid fool
There is a difference between, "What is a homo sapien?" and "Who is Mother Teresa?" The Question is "What is God?" If God is a person then, where is he, dipshit? Why can't we meet him?
LOL Because THIS particular person has attributes that a normal person doesn't. If that blows your damn mind, get off this thread you intellectual midget. Go read your skeptic magazines LOL
The resurrection didn’t even convince people who lived those days since they crucified him and they still think it’s a proof of god now.
Why hide the body? What prove to show he ever existed, then why go away? but never returned?
Lots of dead people came back to life. In those days death was more like a temporary disability than like a permanent state of affairs.
@@eliot451reade5 "Lots of dead people come back to life". You are surely joking, right? They're called zombies & it used to happen in the Caribbean. And why was death "more like a temporary disability" in "those days"? Why is death permanent now? And who got to be reincarnated & who stayed in the ground to rot & decay? What were the necessary requirements for reincarnation? You are either a troll or you're a seriously deluded person desperately trying to justify belief in your faith.
@@elroyfudbucker6806 no, he's being satirical by taking it literally, which isn't wrong. Jesus's resurrection was not unique since many people were making the same claims, thus it's a common and boring if it's all true. lol
The Resurrection of Jesus Christ IS the Proof of His Sonship of God the Father... It was Prophecied many times in the Old Testament that He would die and rise again...
Jesus Himself, told His disciples 5 times, that He would rise again after 3 days...
When this came to pass accurately, He showed Himself alive to over 90 people...
Even Thomas one of His disciples, didn't believe He would rise again..
But, when Thomas saw Him, he fell down and worshipped Him...
The Resurrection is an established fact of truth...
was this motion carried or not? where can I find that kind of info? not in the description
oxfordstudent.com/2012/11/16/union-debate-this-house-believes-in-god/
Dave - Thank you so much!
"For the time will come when men will no longer put up with sound doctrine instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to hear what their itching ears want to hear. . They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." 2Timothy 4:3=4:
So one guy saying without any evidence, you believes jesus is god what about other hundreds of religions
@@rishadaltair3029 This brief life is our time of testing. The onus rests with each of us to seek the absolute truth.There is no excuse . "Just as man is destined to die and face Judgement" Hebrews 9:27 The truth is available to all who seek it with courage and honesty. The Bible reveals many prophesies many were fulfilled through Jesus others are being fulfilled even as we speak. See for yourself.
Nice writing but so what? Religion is tearing the United States apart.
@@hardtobefirst God reveals clearly in the New Covenant throuigh jesus the Path we need to take which is based on these two commandments "Love the Lord your God with all your heasrt and love your neighbour as yourself" "Religions" that you describe as "tearing the Unoted States apart" are made up of evil based agenda. The same can be used to describe godless philosophy and so called science which refuses to accept empirical evidence that debunks many of their claims. We are responsible and accountable personally to God;s eternal judgement. God allows evil to run its course He does not interfere in our freedom of choice. However his warnings are clear and His Judgement is final
My biggest question, if god was allknowing and almighty....why he didn’t just gave us all physical constants etc.?
Have you ever read the bible? Just read and study the bible.. Don't assume things, so just read the bible. And your questions will be answered. Don't want to? Stay blinded...
@@LetsFollowGod123 jeez. All he did was not read a fairy tale
@@LetsFollowGod123If you knew anything about the bible you would know that it teaches to “walk by faith not by sight”. Meaning to believe off of the “evidence provided” and to have faith in that-substituting evidence with faith instead.
@@LemonDani yeah but it's value can't be denied because believe it or not atheism only makes sense coming from Christianity because if let's say Christianity had never been a factor in the early stages of scientific discovery we would be limited In our knowledge of our universe, we would have had our current moral standards to judge things by for example did you know in Japan it used to be acceptable to kill babies because of their world view.
You can deny the existence of God but the bible is undoubtably the single most influential piece of ancient literature in the history of the world.
@@Chickennuggie1498 bro you're taking this way out of context
If we had souls then why aren't we aware of anything or conscious when we are under anesthesia or in a coma? The answer is that our awareness, consciousness is directly connected to the activity of our brains.
I suggest you look into NDEs. Especially those by Dr. Eban Alexander & Dr. Bruce Greyson
The answer is you don’t know and are too stupid to admit it.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 And you have the answer?
that's because they have been interconnected.... it's clear there is a difference because our brain performs certain things subconsciously and certain things only consciously.
I like how the ads are for Christian based programming lmao
The adds in your country maybe but advertisers in Britain realise that the market they are aiming their adds at are not influenced by fairy stories.
Thought that was only me seeing that. I was like WTF, don't need none of that 😂😂😂
Exactly!
Rather than spend money on the poor they advertise. Disgusting. Look how much money the Vatican has and they're doing nothing to advance mankind.
Every good action you do is the best definition of God.if whatever u sow u reap where is that fraud that someone visible or invisible is going to interfere. A WORD TO THE WISE. Thks.
Religion is mostly a coping mechanism for dealing with the brutality of being alive. Example...people in poor countries tend to be more religious than people in wealthy countries. Because religion is all they have to hold onto. It's literally the only thing that provides them with real hope/consolation. Take that away from them and they're left with nothing except starvation, suffering, disease, and death. Life is cruel and humans, especially desperate humans, need something to hold onto in order to cope with everyday life. I'm agnostic, but I have to admit that life can get really difficult when you lack belief in a God that is looking out for you.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
I truly hope it is more than cope. That the believers will be vindicated. "Thou preparest a table for me in the presence of my enemies." Unbelievers laugh at the faith of others but will be silent forevermore once they come the lands of death.
@@johntessier8064 I think there’s something beyond this life, but I also don’t subscribe to any particular religion
Well God is not the problem nor his teaching. The people that use his name for their own merit. If you think you know what the problem is? the problem is us. Why you say about wealth, sickness, poverty, suffering, diseases, and death. Do you think this cannot be prevented if we have honest leaders, not selfish and bias? Do you think the teaching of my Lord Jesus Christ is false? Well, he is the only person who lived 100% accurate in this world and also his teachings promote true character and living. If you want a 100% accurate society, you can't find it in this world. You can find it in the next life.
Plenty of rich and well doing people believe in God. I could say there are more well to do theists than well to do atheists.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
-Marcus Aurelius
If God is a jealous God, then of what is he jealous?
people giving worship to anything other than Himself, He created us so He's jealous when we take away what is rightly His, namely His worship
Husbands usually get jealous when their wives cheat on them with another man.
Why he? Power of the Pussy much stronger!! Flying Spaghetti Monster
That you worship other gods. Like limited science, your ego, and exchanging Him for internet time.
SL///// God is perfection of all things. The bible is full of contradiction, discrepancy and error. Pitch it.
lol That emo kid
/r/iamverysmart
His diety is awesome! haircare products
Jo//// Have AIDS yet?
Kosmon Not if wears a condom protection is key
Moth//// Abstinence works even better.
I've come to the conclusion that even if people are proven without a doubt that there is no God they would reject the evidence out of fear of the god that doesn't exist.
At the very best, one could come up with some series of thoughts that would reach to the conclusion that there is only a tiny chance that God does exist. It will always remain 100% certain that it is impossible to disprove the existence of God with 100% certainty, wether God exists or not. Just like most likely there will always be people, as long as there are people in this universe, who will deny any proof of God to be a true proof for God to exist. In short, I argue that the most rational decision one could make on this subject is never to accept any disproof of God as absolute truth, as such a proof could never be complete.
@@EdoTimmermans You missed the point of the video though. It is up to religions to prove the existence of their respective Gods. Its not the non believers's job to disprove them and of course you can't disprove something that doesn't exist just like you can't disprove the existence or non-existence of fairies and leprechauns
Don't try to shift the burden of proof!
that relates to Pascual's Wager. Sadly, those people have consigned themselves to living in perpetual fear of millions of vindictive gods who just might (very improbably) exist. Unlike you, I think therefore the argument against making Pascual's Wager is strong, and that people are in fact courageous enough to conclude that there is no supernatural being and none of these gods exist. This does take courage and a good understanding of science, but it is a step being taken by increasing numbers of people.
I myself have come to the conclusion that if people are proven God exist without a doubt, they would still reject the evidence in fear of his judgment.
If We are so very much fine tuned why there are like a 100 thousand known diseases?
Thanks to science we can fight these diseases, while a pope cant do shit
The fine tuning affects all organisms. Actually, it affects everything. If it was tuned differently then we also would be tuned differently but asking the same questions.
Corona
Natural Selection is a clever idea, but I cannot believe that if there were a personal Creator, it was _benevolent_ in choosing Death, disease, and Pain as the selection mechanism.
@@albertrogers2506 I dont know who said it but this is a pretty nice quote on the topic :"we do not survive thanks to our environement but despite it."
This is where the atheist argument ends:
Luk 13:24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’
Oh no, not another section of a book taken out of context to prove the very book is accurate? Wow!!!!! Maybe that works in your world but not reality guy. Come with some real facts and not just more stories in a book created by unknown men.
This was great, but the objection to the teleological argument, as usual, missed the mark. The main problem with that argument is that is assumes the conclusion in the premise. One must assume that life was an intended feature of the universe for that to work at all. And if one assumes that, then they have already accepted the idea of an intentional agent as the cause of the universe.
To claim that god is proved by our existence is no more rational than a Poker player being dealt a good hand and assuming that there was a god who made that happen. Our existence is valuable to us, therefore we see a universe capable of producing and supporting us as "fortuitous", but that is purely subjective. Even if there were a god, what if all he wanted to create was a machine that could make complex elements, and the unintended, and possibly unwanted byproduct was us?
This argument for god is as weak as the ontological argument - it sucks.
Is it "begging the question"?
davidgafo
Most certainly. I am surprised - I usually note that in my comments, but I did not.
Nevertheless, you will be judged by Him; and on present evidence, consigned to the Lake of Fire, and eternal oblivion, along with our esteemed professor.
timwebb1000
Take your lies and fear mongering elsewhere. Nobody is buying it here.
+ timwebb1000 I see you as a victim and at the same time as a perpetrator of religious fear mongering. That's how many religions are handed down in peoples heads, like a kind of mental viruses. "an eternal lake of fire" in which humans should suffer for ever is such an absurd idea to believe in. And I feel real pity for you like I feel pity for women which live in a tradition where they think that genital mutilation of their daughters is a good thing.
19:03 correction; only 18 grams of water ( 1 mole of H20) has 30 times more water molecules than stars in entire estimated universe, not 6 million olympic swimming pools.. ( 6.02x10^23 water molecules in 1 mole, where as current estimate of stars is 2x10^22 ). so only 12 drops of water ( 0.6 ml water) matches number of stars in universe, not 6 million pools
I believe the "6 million pools" analogy is based on the volume of the universe, not the number of stars.
so what was the end vote result???
54% for atheists and 46% for theists
Atheists won! Lol
*This is beautiful from Max Planck - founder of modern science, read it carefully:* _As a physicist, that is, a man who had devoted his whole life to a wholly prosaic science, the exploration of matter, no one would surely suspect me of being a fantast. And so, having studied the atom, I am telling you that there is no matter as such! All matter arises and persists only due to a force that causes the atomic particles to vibrate, holding them together in the tiniest of solar systems, the atom._
_Yet in the whole of the universe there is no force that is either intelligent or eternal, and we must therefore assume that behind this force there is a conscious, intelligent Mind or Spirit. This is the very origin of all matter_
A belief in god never seems to have prevented Peter Hitchens from being an odious, obnoxious, dissatisfied, and seemingly unhappy individual.
Was living in the shadow of a vastly more celebrated (not always deserved) brother the root of his unpleasantness?
can i watch the whole debate somewhere`?
after 10years i got the same question
If I look away from the screen, I picture Mr. Bean in one of his priesthood skits 😆
😂😂
accurate
Cant unsee that now
Well Mr bean would be confused by god ,imagine him góng to church or better yet being the vicar .
11:37 _"we are universally moral beings"_
he should say that to Xi Putin & Kim-Jong
all normal people are moral being but of course psychopath exist
@@weirdsideofyoutube9547 What is the "normal"
@@mirkoboi average people without personalities disorder
@@weirdsideofyoutube9547 Ok... then no one is normal
@@mirkoboi i think people with no personality disorder exist
What you don't know doesn't exist, according to your perception of reality. And if in fact God reveals himself to some and not to others, it is smart to understand this situation 😕
I want to know how the vote went.
The motion was defeated
@@weirdsideofyoutube9547 It is on their website.
Stupid people will remain stupid....BY CHOICE
@@zemo7483 does that mean the Christian or atheist won
@@megamillion2461 No matter the result, it was only one debate and the following vote does not refute or assert the existence of God for all of eternity. One vote is not reliable.
I prayed to God today for an answer and I will let you know the results tomorrow, by the way I have been an atheist for some years now. My friend told me I needed to pray to the god in the sky as I am facing eviction and my life has been shit. Unemployed for months now. So I will let you know if a divine being will save me. I have 5 days to pay my rent which I have been looking for a job any job for awhile now and ran out of money. This will be proof to those who say miracles exist or God is real and merciful.
haha..I jus got a 10 day notice from my landlord so lemme know if praying helps you asap okay XD
I prayed for that once and in a week had a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house and two jobs and a car so we'll see what happens to you. "You pray and do not recieve" is in the bible as well so this argument works for Atheists and is does Christians as well.
I just want to let you guys know that praying is not the same as wishing. God is not the same as a Genie. Not just because you pray that it will make things better for you. Not just because you strive to be a good person that you will never suffer.
Faith in God is to suffer and still love HIM. To be thankful despite our sufferings. Not just because you don't get what you want that He does not love you. And sometimes, the things that will make you happy is not what you need or at least what you think you need. Everything happens for a reason. And overcoming all materialistic ideals and selfishness you will be able to experience miracle from Him.
Kamal Kukreja Haha I found a place. It was from looking and it is not what I want buy hey. I did it myself. No one helped me. I made that statement because my friend claims being atheist is a joke. I laughed and told him okay I did the praying thing for years a no results but okay to prove a point.
ARakaLordBrilliant Assumption is the only grounds of which atheism has to stand on this being a primary example. You decided what God was and when he wasn't that you denounced him. The difference between you and me is that I let God tell me who he is rather than me telling him who he is.
“Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second.”
Professor John Lennox. mathematician
@mariomiceli9663*There is nothing more hilarious than an adult believing that nature can create information and turn bacteria into humans.*
That simply begs the question of what this hypothetical creator owes its origin to.
@@punnet2 Which begs the question who created the creator who created the creator ... Who created the creator...... and if you are an atheist you believe that the universe created you, which begs the question who created the universe?
Who is responsible for creating this hypothetical creator Dawkins?
@@paddingtonbear6815We don't even know if this universe _was_ created. Hypothesizing a creator accomplishes nothing.
@@punnet2 Perhaps it was eternal, whoops there goes the second law of thermodynamics!
The analogy of the baby and compensation is fucking golden.
you should watch the debates of Dr
Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate
against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's
worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists
and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that
the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even
I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational,
analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the
reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one
is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you
can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the
resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
@@Lichtgeschwindigkeit196 ….the resurrection is almost a historical fact? Almost and fact are opposites! Your argument leaves doubt and with it no proof the story is true.
EXCELLENT! Time to end the Nonsense of Religious beliefs!
Done and done! What’s next on the agenda?
& superstitions.
😠
True, there are no gods.
" There are more things in the Heaven and Earth, Horatio, that are dreamt of in your philosophy"
Hamlet -
@Tim H It appears you're annoyed because he copied and pasted before you or are you just an asshole?
Actually,@Tim H Horatio's "philosophy" to which Hamlet refers is that which we call science, and Hamlet is wrong but it's a good play and couldn't exist without the "ghost" of Hamlet's father. Literally, philosophy is love of knowledge. The brilliant physicist William Thomson, who was knighted and then raised to the peerage as Lord Kelvin, was professor of "Natural Philosophy" at Glasgow University. Properly interpreted, Natural Philosophy is NOT some vague speculations that happen to occur to the holder.
Horatio's "philosophy" was exactly that, the love of the knowledge of the nature of Nature.
@Tim H Hmm., you could be right. Michael Grella has an error in his quote, It should be "more things _than_ are dreamt of in your philosophy."
I'm not sure whether you realize you quote a fictional character.
@@SirPaynejust because it’s a quote from a fictional character does not mean it can’t be a truism. Literature throughout time has used fantasy and fiction to make truth and reason digestible to the reader.
People with Alzheimer’s or brain injuries that lose their memory. Will they regain that once their soul leaves the body? Or are they just screwed for eternity? Who you are is purely a physical construct. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
actually to say we're physical would be a reasonable argument before the discovery of atoms,cells and the dna... now we know that we are purely energy and information... to say were only physical would be insane and delusional
beemrmem3 read the bible
wetsaw DNA energy and atoms are all physical. Everything is physical
Jay Mo name anything real that’s not physical. Anything made of atoms are physical. Energy is physical. Feelings like love and thoughts are the brain / mind. The mind is just what the brain does. Everything real is physical.
Lee Watson the bible is nonsense and evil
"Why did god wait 13.8 Billion years to develop a species that have a relationship with him?" Right!!
Also, the body language of the twits gives everything away, they know the jiggy is up.
Can we all just get along without a god, it's time to move on.
Welcome to determinism and ultimately nihilism. You now have to label things like love, hate, good and evil as mere human conventions. Good luck with your humanism. Wouldnt it benefit humanity if we got rid of say 5 billion people? Why not? Maybe hitler was on to something with his eugenics, would'nt the human race benefit in the long run? Why should we take care of the sick? I mean they are the weak and should not survive according to your darwinian materialism. You want there to be no God, but benifit from a society built on the belief of a god.
So next rime you use the word good or bad, think about what/whose standard you are using?
@@172ndStudios Yes we want the "benefit" from a society built on the belief of god/s. Yes we do. I want to. Yes. Very beneficial 10/10
@@172ndStudios Society built on the belief of a god? What, that vindictive, psychopathic bastard of the book of ancient texts masquerading as divine wisdom?
@@cliffordchapman801 welcome to moral relativity, you are sawing off the branch you are standing on.
Why would you care if something is vindictive? Why care about anything? In a chaotic universe with no purpose anything goes.
The end of the road for you is nihilism.
Ask yourself why you cant stop thinking about God?
@@172ndStudios you're being silly
Bible is product of human creativity.
Talking snakes, talking donkeys, people surviving 3 days within the belly of a whale, giants, people living 900+ Years,...
I mean aint it obvious
But still very accurate. It did foretell this current "pandemic" in couple of places, for example in the book of Revelation chapter 18 verse 23, keyword being greek FARMAKEIA. Also the mark of the beast 666 is getting revealed as banks want to get rid of the cash and bring their digital currency even unto the root level, rendering us normal people as a slaves receiving a citizen's salary while worshipping one world leader, originating from shia-islamic world. Most likely a Kurdistanian as God will wipe Himself that character out of the world when He comes back to set Jerusalem free from the attacking armies.
@@jounijussila9701 How and where did it foretell the current pandemic? Did it say in 2020 there will be a pandemic? I could reliably predict another pandemic
nothing wrong with these stories ..as long as you don't believe they actually happened.
And atheists believe that communism never committed human rights violations.
@@georgepierson4920 where did you get that misinformation? I am an atheist and know about atrocities world wide both religious and communist. So you needn’t get on your high horse about communists committing human rights abuses. Practically every Sth American catholic country has done so and Christianities record of violence goes back centuries. You would agree that America Is a religious country? Well in an ILLEGAL war against Vietnam America dropped Napalm on children, setting them on fire and Agent Orange on civilians the result of which is being felt to this day in the form of birth defects in babies. They dropped more bombs on civilians in Hanoi than were dropped in the whole of world war 2, while at the same time telling the American people they had stopped the bombing. Peace talks were arranged between the President and Ho Chi Minh but were scuppered by Richard Nixon resulting in the war continuing and the loss of many more young American lives. Both President Johnson and Nixon profess to be religious. I find that human behaviour doesn’t depend on whether you are religious or not or what politics you follow. The atomic bombs dropped on Japan during the war were blessed by a catholic priest who confessed that the bombing of civilians was forbidden in the Catholic Church. I could give further evidence about atrocities carried out in the name of religion, but it serves no purpose.
"It is only at the semantic level that we really have meaningful information; thus, we may establish the following theorem: Theorem 14: Any entity, to be accepted as information, must entail semantics; it must be meaningful. Semantics is an essential aspect of information because the meaning is the only invariant property. The statistical and syntactical properties can be altered appreciably when information is represented in another language (e.g., translated into Chinese), but the meaning does not change. Meanings always represent mental concepts; therefore, we have: Theorem 15: When its progress along the chain of transmission events is traced backward, every piece of information leads to a mental source, the mind of the sender." Dr. Werner Gitt (Former Head of the Department of Information Technology at Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, Germany)
When I stopped believing in Santa, I never went to go convince others kids he wasn’t real because I knew it for a fact! And didn’t care if others did or not!! The need to convince people is just the subconscious hope that if other people agree with you there’s a better chance that you are right. But to tell people that for a fact God does not exist at all because you just know so much is actually more bizarre than saying he does. God doesn’t want religion he only wants your LOVE ❤️ if you were staring death in the face and there were no others to convince , would you still believe it yourself that there is no God? Or would the fear of what’s after death be enough for you to realize that the feeling of Love that is a universal human language is in fact from GOD
*I really do love all the greatest scientists of this planet. First of all because of all them l-aughed at Aronra's cult.*
*One beautiful and true saying from Pasteur:* _Too little science leads away from God, while too much science leads back to Him_
Over the course of 3 weeks you kept coming back and commenting on this video, why?
@@Kaputnik11 *For several reasons. One of them is that one of your fellows has been trolling (in fact hijacking) this comment section and some others for 10+ years and I had to remove his s-t. Another one is that I like sharing the truth with people and the truth is opposite to the doctrine of Aronra's cult. For instance real science and all the greatest scientists of this planet pointed to an intelligent creator, while Aronra's disciples think and claim that their beliefs are "science".*
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻-c3rmore than half of scientist are atheists.
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻-c3rIt’s amazing to see how little you know about science if you think its a belief system, or that is has a “doctrine”
Science is a tool for measuring reality…so far there are no scientific studies that show a case for a God or gods, but when there is, it will change…because actual real evidence will come out.
@@Chickennuggie1498 *Oh, you made this account last week. BuhaharetardballetdancerAndrewEldridge.*
I'd be very curious to get a grasp of what the speaker thinks is "moral". Is there a codified law or set of precepts to which he adheres?
The fear of death- politics-power-money Is the religeon that makes gods.
@quantum
Regarding God, I have written the following in one of my Bengali books:
"Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Why that bastard God had to create such a bastard world?
Why couldn't he stay alone?'
Will you please explain the fear of what has compelled me to write the above about God?
@@udaybhanuchitrakar8812 Hello, It was no god that created this bastard world why? because no god exists! It's humans who pretend to like each other that is till the other human has something more than his neighbour.
@quantum
In your OP you have presented a thesis that fear is the cause due to which man believes in God. I have contradicted that thesis by positing the existence of a God whom I have described as a bastard God. And I have also posed a question: what sort of fear has compelled me to posit the existence of such a God.
Here it was expected that you would defend your thesis and so answer my question. Nobody wants to know whether there's a God or not. But they want to know how you will counter my challenge. And there you have failed miserably.
If you do not know how to defend your thesis, then why have you presented it?
@God Just reality not hidden so called god''s
There is no God, true, at least not that God, but there is a source, let's call it the consciousness behind all that exist. Well it's not perfect, that's why it morphed into the universe with all its dynamics, to observe itself silently. It's not so benevolent but it had to learn, couldn't do it by itself so yeah, life happened 🤗. We're all here to learn, why? Because you are God and God is you, US! Flaws sins strengths spirit ect ect
Out of fear of unknown do people still believe in the existence of a superior being somewhere in space
Now that I've watched the 3 speakers in the "God does NOT exist" camp, I can move onto another debate topic. It is clear the apologists here will have nothing convincing to offer.
If you're that sure then You should watch the debates of Dr
Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate
against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's
worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists
and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that
the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even
I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational,
analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the
reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one
is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you
can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the
resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
Thankfully, I'll never have to worry about a non-entity called 'God' not liking me and preventing my entrance to a silly non-existent place called 'Heaven'.
The only way to argue for an invisible, undetectable magic being that chooses to be hidden is by presupposition and at the expense of a desire for the truth.
NO ONE has yet provided a convincing argument or any persuasive evidence for their god claims. Work on those things first before submitting more pointless comments.
14:55 that guy looked at Peter like “you gonna sit there and let him talk shit about you?” 😭💀
Believing in god is like wishing upon a star or asking a wall to help you lift a chair.
Lmao yeah you'd like that to be true wouldn't you😆😆🤣
Asking a wall to help you lift a chair? What the hell sort of analogy is that.
18:25 perfect emo hair flip
Lmao
5:22 uh 5:57 also 6:04 shit, nm, happens way too often to document it.
plus very unflattering bored yawn towards the end. She kind of ruined it for me: couldn't not look!
0:59 I am in the same circumstance. I want to believe but there is just no clear evidence. People believe in god because it satisfies their desire for comfort and ease.
At 9:25, a glowing example of the "we-know-better-than-the-'primitive'" fallacy, i.e., the modern mind trumps the "primitive" mind.
In most cases we do know better.
@@richardgregory3684 What "most cases"?
@@philosophyprof4999 Well, pretty much the whole of science for a start.
My question is, if our consciousness came to be through evolution. Can it happen again?
My fear is just disappearing and saying goodbye to everything I’ve ever loved and seen. I have an extreme fear and anxiety of going through life just counting my life away, developing my love for this world and the ability to live, only to give it up at the end.
Well, its going to end. No real way to get around it. All you can really do is enjoy the life you have while you have it.
I hope to achieve consciousness every morning.
@@BonQy you will not exist for a while, that's for sure. if reincarnation or whatever does happen it will happen in the blink of an eye because you have no concept of time when you'e dead. if there is a something it will occur quickly.
I deduce from the replies that there are two interpretations of your question. I took it to mean can other evolved organisms have consciousness. The way that any social animal behaves, looks like consciousness to me. Dogs in particular seem to display consciousness of humans.
I enjoyed this argument
Amazing speaker, really intelligent arguments and very funny at the same time. Even though I believe in God, I really like this guy and will surely listen to some more talks of him in the future!
You should watch the debates of Dr Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate
against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's
worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists
and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that
the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even
I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational,
analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the
reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one
is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you
can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the
resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
@@Lichtgeschwindigkeit196 Hey bro, read something about hindu religion, according to me Hindu religion is best. Read Geeta written by Lord Krishna,
@@iwilldefeattheguywithmusta6054 What convinces me not to leave Religion are the shocking supernatural cases
in the religious experience, that is, the visions, prophecies, apparitions, all
this defies science and makes me think that ultimately there is something
supernatural in Religion and that tries to communicate with us through
different religions perhaps.
@@iwilldefeattheguywithmusta6054 If there is no afterlife and all religions are false, then how to explain that in
near-death experiences, and that after death the brain is still working (which
in itself is questionable, since there are cases of people who last dead for
hours) only explains "how" it happens, but does not explain "why" it
happens, does not explain why the subjects experience going to a place that
is repeated almost as constant, for example Heaven is almost always
described in these experiences as a garden, field or forest, as well as that in
hell in these experiences very frequently it is detailed that the body of the
tortured is regenerated after suffering a lot of damage and prepared to be
tortured again and this cycle is repeated indefinitely .
@@Lichtgeschwindigkeit196 the fact that we can't explain why certain things happen doesn't make your story true.
The fact that the brain remains active for sometime after death doesn't prove that the 'afterlife' is real. The accounts of 'afterlife' are mere unverifiable dreams and dreams are greatly influenced by our daily experiences and thoughts. So, for example if a person keeps hearing about heaven and hell from preachers it's not unlikely for the person to dream about heaven and hell once in a while.
God is one-hundred percent provable, but only to oneself.
Lol yea agreed
LMAO i cant get over flock of Samwell Tarly its distracting
+Edward Villa sick references brah.
+Edward Villa
"flock of Samwell Tarly".. Oh, that's marvelous.
+Edward Villa
Haha, he does look like Samwell!
?????
lmfao Samwell
re: fine tuning,
"Look!", said the puddle, "How perfectly the shape of the ground fits me. It could only have been made specifically for me! How glorious!"
Puddles have no intelligence and don't think.
Humans do have intelligence and know your analogy is ridiculous.
Perfect.
@@andrewdouglas1963 Not all humans.
@@havenbastion
Good point.
I've been in a few of this religions and now I stop going cause it really was not doing nothing for me God was not no where, I use to sing Christian songs and they made me fill empty. So I stop and started taking responsibility for my own actions believing in myself and applying everything to believe in myself and I fill whole again n now that I believe in myself I believe in others n have a beautiful peace of mind
Happy for you !
If you've bounced around religions, did you ever have any sincere convictions to begin with?
And if you only subscribe to taking responsibility for your actions, according to your moral code, you can just as easily bend those morals to suit your agenda at that time.
That is a fickle stance in my opinion.
@@FightIQ_YT Exactly
There is no need to convince anyone outside of yourself that God is. The people calling themselves atheist will know that God is. It does not matter what anyone thinks outside of me, I know that God is, because I know that I Am. God is not separate from me, I am one with God. As I will not try to prove to anyone God is real by using books, I do not want anyone trying to disprove God by using books. I can only present myself as living proof that God is, because I Am. The proof of God is in you, and me, not outside of you, or me. If you can prove you are not, than you can prove that God is not. “I THINK! THEREFORE, I AM!” So because God is, therefore, I Am. God and me are one and the same. I dare not think that I Am separate from God, because I know that I am not separate from God, and God is not separate from me. There is no such thing as matter; everything we call matter, is: “Infinite Potential, Infinite Probability; Infinite Possibility; and Infinite Power” compressed into form, for a specific function. What we call death is the separation of the meta-physical me, from my temporal material body, the compressed functioning form of me that gave me an identity in the material world. Upon death I return to the anti-matter world where I can from, and in time the whole material Universe will decompress, and return to its purest form of infinite potential; infinite possibility; infinite probability; infinite power, and infinite promise, where everything is Light, Life, Alive, Love, and Living. I know all of these things to be true intuitively, I did not learn, know or understand these thing by anything outside of me, but by the eternal truth that is in me, and I am not blind, therefore I am free, and I can clearly see the truth.
NO RELIGION NECESSARY!
What did i just read? Did you write this while being high? Please give me what you are smoking
You are so right. God does exist! Undoubtedly! Under the roof of your skull where he resides and should be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he’s bound to dissolve in thin air :)
*A very beautiful one from Lord Kelvin says the same thing as all other greatest scientists:* _If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God._
Unless you are 93% of the world’s top scientists. Neil DeGrass Tyson pointed this out in one of his lectures with statistics that, the more people know about science, the less they believe in a god.
@@Chickennuggie1498*All the greatest scientists of this planet acknowledged an intelligent creator, Eldridge. I know you are q ballet dancer who cannot really grasp reality, for obvious reasons.*
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻 who is Eldridge? Who are all these scientists you speak of? The claims you assert are a matter of clear biased opinion. Who is to say that your take is better than mine?
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻 To assert that your opponent is “out of touch with reality” is simply a cop out. Used by many. Athiest and thiest alike.
@@Chickennuggie1498I suggest the correct interpretation is "the more time people are marinated in the toxic stew of epistemological dysfunction that is modern atheist university science departments, the less they believe in God".
No one claimed things were created by thought, but by speech.
Speech requires vocal chords and air. What was God breathing before he created anything?
@@manuellayburr382 great question, but if indeed it was God who created this universe why would he have to limit himself to need the things (air, oxygen molecules) that HE created? Think of it this way, as 3 dimensional beings do we require anything from the second dimension? No!
@@yilamwong749 This is simply a non sequitur. Once you put God into the equation, everything else can be explained by, well not explaining it like you just did.
@@Chickennuggie1498 if you hold god to the same level as humans and what we need then he wouldn’t be THE god.
@yilamwong749 This is simply circular logic based on assumptions and claims made by iron age people…
As a species, if humans were able to feel unconditional love towards all other humans, it would not be possible to worship an image of a judge-mental god.
Right .....I....will give you that . Question....have you listened to Dr.Ray Haggin's teachings ?
@@jannellecox3202 No. Does he preach religion at others, as being based on truth?
If everyone were able to feel u conditional love, atheists would stop mocking people they deem “intellectually” inferior and start focusing on the little time we have left. But humans are still sinful, sadly. And we look on people different as stupid and delusional.
@@elchapo1049 i think perhaps you're right that people shouldn't "mock" people they consider less intelligent than them for that. but i think it's extremely important to challenge beliefs - such as religious beliefs - as i think that's how you develop understandings. i think beliefs should be considered, challenged, debated, evidence presented. i think they should NOT be left for the people who believe them to believe - perhaps it's fine if it only affects that person; but i think religions affect many other people and i think they often influence consideration of evidence, which i think is a problem. like i think many children of religious people may be indoctrinated, manipulated into a belief which they may later disagree with. and i think belief without evidence is a silly thing - perhaps many people find religions comforting, but i think they're very unlikely to be true.
i think you're right that we should try to enjoy the little time we have left. i think that when we die, we'll very likely cease to exist, making this time we have alive very precious i think. so i think we should try to focus on our time in existence.
@Ricky Anthony Theists do that quite a lot, actually. It’s called missionary work. A lot of atheists mock them for it can and call them narcissistic though.
How nice to see and to hear you, Peter! Natasha B from Leeds
Who’s here all sad and looking for proof that you’re alone in the Universe and no one will ever help you? 😂
God created man and the earth if you don't believe me. If u have the courage check out the link. Your life without God is a ticking time bomb it is very dangerous to reject God th-cam.com/video/I11L71PD3Lw/w-d-xo.html
I accepted the idea when I was 15.
@@Wisdom24-7 "He" (Are you sure he has a prostate?) created Adam and Eve. So, are we all descendants of incest???
@@julianrafalko313 Yes we all came from one created man. Monkeys did not mutate into a human
@@Wisdom24-7 damn your IQ is -100. Religions will all disappear soon once your generation will fade, its over bitch with your wack ass, yo bitch, feel used, thank you for these laughs
IF GOD IS ALL-POWERFUL, ALL CREATIVE
WHY DIDN'T HE CREATED
WORLD WITHOUT POVERTY, SICKNESS, Death
SUFFERING & EVIL?
Because he gave us freedom to do whatever. This life is for earning the eternal joy, unity etc.
read and understand the HOly Bible
Did God create evil, violence, and everything that is wrong with society and people today? Can you ask a killer if God told him to kill and do violence? Can you ask a rapist whether God asked him to do it? It would really help if you asked those guys personally.
Did you asked the rapist why he raped that girl? Or did you ask why did the killer do it? Well, ask them if God did tell them to do it. Did you also ask the people who made themselves sick because of eating too much food that does not belong to their bodies? Even vices, well you can't because it is their choice. God did not create us to become robots. He gives us life and it is a gift. The problem is the world itself, not him, It is us.
Simple answer - because we live on Earth not paradise.
Believers do tickle me. There are two stances when faced with a claim; belief until the claim is disproven, or disbelief until the claim is proven. Believers apply stance 2 to every other god, and every other supernatural entity, then apply stance 1 to their deity of choice, and invoke a bit of special pleading or appeals to faith.
Logic doesn't work for the brainwashed.
The earth is just a speck of dust in comparison with the whole universe and we are living on it in partnership with other numerous species of life. What can our limited mind achieve in this vast creation in terms of knowledge? You need to be a God to understand and control the whole universe.
@@omarsambo9049 Argument from incredulity fallacy.
9:00 this view really makes me think, what if there is a new kind of physical object, which is atemporal, somethink so increadibly remarkable and different from everything we know, which was the reason behind the beggining of everything, maybe it could be a stronger generalization of the notion of a field, or maybe it could be a structure so different we would need a new Michael Faraday in order to reaveal it for us, and when humanity finaly discovers it, future generations of scientists would look at us and say "how they couldn't see it?", it could be something so different that perhaps not even the mathematical tools in order to describe it exist in our era
then where does the universe come from?
are we supposed to accept the observations, conclusions of people who thought the world to be flat ?
"are we supposed to accept" There is no WE. You are free to accept, or not, whatever you wish. I suggest at least pretending to subscribe to the ideals of your employer.
@@thomasmaughan4798 wot?
@@Chickennuggie1498 "wot?"
Yes, absolutely. I could write it again or you could save me the time and simply read it again.
But it seems some elaboration might be needed.
"Supposed to" is a rule based statement. It implies the existence of an Authority that has issued Rules that you are Supposed To obey.
Authorities exist in vast number and includes your spouse, your employer, your church leaders or in substitute your DNC (Democratic National Committee),
AND IF you wish to curry favor with your favorite Authority, THEN you are "supposed to" do whatever that authority decrees.
@@thomasmaughan4798 The whole biblical narrative is based on authority...
@@Chickennuggie1498
"The whole biblical narrative is based on authority"
Yes. Many authorities! The genius of some part of it is render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. I have many authorities in my life, well, several at least. When I was in the Navy long enough I became one of the authorities.
I am also pedantic; I process words carefully. It is a useful skill for computer programming; sometimes less so in social settings where many people, maybe most, do not construct meaningful sentences.
"are we supposed to accept the observations, conclusions of people who thought the world to be flat "
Let us imagine a person named Tom. He lives near Fargo, North Dakota, and believes the world is flat, because at Fargo, North Dakota, it is so flat it doesn't even follow the curvature of the earth. This is because it is in the bottom of an extremely shallow bowl caused by the Red River valley.
Anyway, he observes that summer is hot and winter is cold. Very cold. Indescribably cold.
The question then becomes SHOULD you accept his observations? Oh, I misspoke; should WE accept his observation? I am a drone, a bee, a sheep; I do not think for myself in fact I have no idea what to think or do unless WE have decided it.
Okay, well, I'm not actually a sheep or bee and I am not a we. But many people ARE we.
I TENTATIVELY accept anyone's observations on any topic until and unless I have judged the observation to be false. Now, if the observation is within the realm of things I believe the person is in error about, I am less likely to even tentatively accept an observation.
So, the person that believes the entire planet is a disk, and not a sphere, seems to be in error and is probably not a reliable source of information about geography, geology, astronomy, mathematics, navigation.
But at the same time may well be expert in biology, genetics, computer science, electronics and so on; things that do not depend on correct understanding of the shape of the Earth.
This debate , in truth, begs the question.."Which God does the panel of "believers" choose to believe?" They didn't go there, no, it wasn't the question, but if it were, it would have led to a magical, mystical journey into mythologies and THERE is where the truth would be exposed. Throughout history man has been ruled by myths of their choosing albeit by a "god" or a ruling government (truly there is no difference!)
Every theist is an atheist except for the one god or group of gods they believe in. And wouldn't you know it, the religion they're born into is the one they believe in!
@@markrm16 this is not true with a lot of evidence
@@Oluwatobilobaotun If somebody is a muslim, the chances of them having been raised by muslim parents in a muslim country are extremely high. The same thing applies to every religion. The % of the global population that switches to another faith is very small, and the vast majority of the time the switch is made by way of marriage. Historically, it was often coercive, due to imperialism.
@@markrm16 Islam is very unlike Christianity which is the God in the debate. As opposed to Islam there are multiple Christian converts solely of their own volition. Many times through supernatural experiences or just reason and logic, not forced, not born. Some even renounced but later realized that there has to be GOD. And isn’t Atheism a Faith and yet multiple people switch to that? If you didn’t know, it takes much mor faith to be an Atheist, to believe that we all just came to be and we would just go without any purpose to our existence. It’s just a little more outrageous than actually believing that for something to be there has to be a creator.
@@Oluwatobilobaotun Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews. That is the God of Abraham. FYI
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We need ONLY one argument not to believe in god: Watch the news!!!
There are many mysteries about God, like the famous "Problem of
Evil" (how God being good can allow evil) and you can watch videos
here on TH-cam about it and know the christian explanations; but
the most important thing about God is the fact that he loves you
and he gave Jesus as a sacrifice for you; you can find more in this
blog called "EveryStudent", it helped me a lot to get
many of my questions answered.
You should watch the debates of Dr
Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate
against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's
worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists
and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that
the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even
I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational,
analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the
reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one
is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you
can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the
resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
@CJ Walters If god promotes free will then how come he has a plan for everyone lmao
@ The Santa analogy is nice because he too doesn't exist
The news (all bad stuff) is défnitely not from God, as He addresses this wrong in James 4:1 Also, He Himself said, "learn from Me, for I Am soft at heart". Please, do not blame our loving Father for any negative thing, as all of that come from the devil - and the devil áfter His cross is that person, living from his carnal mind (where there is hardly any grace). Please, don't point a finger to a holy loving God and Father, as He is innocent.
It's one thing to not believe, but when you argue and try to convince others of a lie......well that's just far more sinister.
Lol
@@richardboland1935 one is true so don't be willfully stupid all your life!
Brodric Johnson: What's truly "more sinister" is indoctrinating young children with religious dogma before their minds have developed to the point at which they can think for themselves and see what they're being told for the BS that it is.
Peter Millican wasn't trying to "convince others of a lie", he was just exposing the lies that so many believers refuse to question.
I Express what I see I have no interest in convincing other people.
My catholic upbringing was a very negative and traumatic experience I would not expose any child to torture.
“Science doesn’t know everything. Religion doesn’t know anything.” - Aron Ra
Well said!
Precisely why you believe and its called faith.. belief, faith is the antithesis of knowing and logic.
I can't stop looking at emo kid back there.
But I do agree, I wanted to believe, I spent years studying and reading. I prayed. I begged. I went to CFNI. I finally came to the point where I realized, it just isn't true. My foundation was built on lies. Which was very difficult. I am in a better place now. I have never been more free and happy than I am today. There is freedom from religion.
Hadn't we already gotten past the emo trend in 2012?
😂😂😂 dead
“Nonsense remains nonsense, even when talked by world-famous scientists.”
Not many world-famous scientists espouse religion. but those who do, are in decline.
Belief in an all powerful, all loving and all knowing invisible being is about as nonsensical as you can get.
@@johngallagher8775 Yes, that's evidently true!
@@geoden logically you can pick two out of three...
With the name you have, your bias is clearly showing, therefore not worthy of consideration.
The fine tuning argument is just stupid.
Professor Lennox absolutely crushes this guy intellectually.
You must be joking.
You mean John "personal incredulity" Lennox? LOL
@@SirPayne You know Professor John Lennox? The guy with a PhD in math now teaching at the number one university in the world…
@@quantumphysics4692 Yes, I do, he even speaks my native language fairly well. People who never visited a university get easily impressed by an academic title. A PhD doesn't stop you from saying and believing nonsense. Argument from personal incredulity by Lennox: th-cam.com/video/vXX9koKOkTs/w-d-xo.html
@@SirPayne Have you read his books? They’re very good.
I watched that Lennox Dawkins debate a long time ago…I really honed in on how miserable and depressed Dawkins looks and how much happier Lennox seems.
It’s not even up for debate though. God’s a fact. To assume Hitler received the same fate as Ghandi or Mother Theresa in eternal nothingness is incredibly simple minded.
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It's so hilarious how carnal men with there carnal finite minds try to ingnore the existence of a spiritual infinite God, it's like a speck of dirt floating around in a beautiful and intricately made house and says to its self there is no builder behind this house just because with it's carnal finite mind can't comprehend the existence of a spiritual infinite builder
We are almost blind, deaf, incapable to feel and we pretend to know it all, come on! We need more humility....
One skeptic guy was taken into a room once and there he was asked if there was a bloodstain on the wall, he turn around and laughed because he could see nothing resembling any kind of corporal fluid on the wall. Then the UV light was turned on and he was able to see beyond his very limited spectrum of visible light and the blood, urine, saliva and sweat remains suddenly appeared before his very eyes. After that he was asked another question "can you imagine your life can be in danger in this 'empty' room? And he said that there was nothing in the room that could harm him. Obviously he had no idea that the room was receiving ionizong radiation from an ambulatory X ray machine that could cause cancer and DNA mutation leading to death even in the next months. Then he was shown the radiation meter and was aware of his own exposure to harmful electromagnetic radiation.
Later on he was asked to describe the sounds he could hear in the room and he replied that there were none. To prove him that there were imperceptible infrasound noises below 20 Hz in the room he had to see a sound level meter to be conscious that in fact he was unable to hear the existing noises in the house. Finally he was asked to turn the radio on and to touch, see, smell, feel if possible the FM radio waves and he was proved once that his perception was so limited as to conclude that only palpable, visible, audible things exist.
So it might be correct for any skeptic to say that angels, demons and God don't exist in their visible light espectrum (380-700 nm), and they don't speak to them either (in 20-20,000 Hz) and cannot cause any damage (at least in the known or perceived forms of harmful electromagnetic radiation). Whatever knowledge that is claimed beyond our perception is mere bragging. We should just remain silent about the things we cannnot even perceive
So somebody brought the most ignorant, lowbrow, unintellectual skeptic into a room, asked them a few questions that they obviously didn’t think about for very long before answering, gave literally the worst answers they could think of(which would never happen yet conveniently fit your terrible argument) and you think this proves something? For fucks sake man🤦🏼♂️
Anyone who has been to a club or a rave, worked in a motel/hotel, seen any kind of cop show on tv, knows what UV light is and does. Anybody who has gotten hurt and needed to go to the doctor for an x-ray, and put on that big heavy lead vest, knows that x-rays, which you can’t see, are extremely dangerous. Anybody who has ever had a dog and used a dog whistle knows that there are sounds that our ears cannot hear.
I don’t know where you found the skeptic guy in your argument, but he’s an idiot, and doesn’t sound very skeptical to me at all.
Funny, that sceptic sound just as ignorant as any theist.
Funny indeed!
@@dorkception2012 exactly both of them are equally ignorant but pretend to know everything about this world, the afterlife, the universe, the metaverse, etc
@@martinbernal3161 Err, buddy, there are no skeptic that would consider the afterlife as a topic to discuss until it has been proven in any way.
Skeptics are those who are absolutely never say 6that there is a 100% truth about something.
Educate yourself and be less moronic.
I am skeptical about skeptics but you wouldn't even get it lol. It's way beyond your undertanding
I like this guy. God likes this guy.
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Unbelievable how we call ourselves an advanced species! There shouldn't even be needed such debate at this stage in scientific knowledge.
you should watch the debates of Dr
Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate
against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's
worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists
and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that
the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even
I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational,
analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the
reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one
is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you
can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the
resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
@@Lichtgeschwindigkeit196 Dr William lane Craig is a phony. He has mentioned before that nothing could shake him out of his position no matter how much evidence you brought to the table against him.
Jesus is king! Praise God!🙏🙌 without God we would not be here! All praise the most high!
Peter Hitchens reminds me of a Vorgon, just dying to recite 64 hours worth of poetry! Something tells me that he is just intensely jealous of his older, much more charismatic and smarter brother.
He is just trying to carve his way out from his brothers shadow. Poor sod lol
*Vogon. I'm embarrassed to report I thought exactly the same thing!. I agree re: Hitchens sibling rivalry. Weird how they both did a 180 switcheroo though: Peter from atheist to sniveling authoritarian, and Christopher (a hero figure for me) from socialist to pro-war neocon.
Correct. Peter is average and bitter. Christopher was bright and caring.
@@alexanderkempster449 who is?
Peter's brother is an idiot.
"What if you're wrong?"
Then, I suppose I'll avoid the eternal prison where everything that makes me who I am is removed through an unknown supernatural consciousness labotomy.
But, if I'm right, I'll be taking full advantage of the only opportunity I have to experience existence. That, and I won't have to persecute gays. I don't wanna persecute gays.
Ah yes, the straw man assumption that to believe in God requires the persecution of gay people. Well done, that man, for such profound 'logic'!
@@algraham7177 well in the christian context it does.
The morals, the less taste you have the more chance you will enjoy food. :)
I don't know why make a simple so complicated. Just like telling a blind man he is blind but fights no I'm not.
*As a matter of fact DNA, math, the laws of physics and all the greatest scientists of this planet point to an intelligent creator.*
Brother you're pathetic.. its been 2 weeks and your still spamming comments on different Oxford God does not exist videos?😂
Name one 😂
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Yes, that’s what that says. This is about as useless as quoting the Harry Potter books to someone who doesn’t believe these books are literal history. Telling them that Dumbledore ate a magic tasting bean isn’t going to get them to believe in magic.
@@arcticpangolin3090 What does that God to do with people being saved You guys really need Jesus Christ Believe from your heart And seek him Because you will find him All you have to do is believe because you are just like everyone else a sinner look at the ten commandments.
@@mirandarogers3595
I’m pointing out the utter ridiculousness of simply quoting the bible in this context. No non Christian is gonna read that and go “you know what god does exist. As for the Ten Commandments, the only ones I would have broken I don’t consider moral guides in the first place. The ones I haven’t broken are not because of the existence of the commandments but rather the basic morality found in pretty much every culture to ever exist, including those which are entirely independent from Judaism or Christianity.
@@arcticpangolin3090 It don't matter believers tell people about God and God does the rest Believers plant that seed and God does the rest Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
@@mirandarogers3595lol
*That's gorgeous:*_The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I do not see how I can put it in words._
*Lord Kelvin*
I've never met God and no one else has either. If God exists why does he let us suffer so much. If there is a God, I hate them.
@@Caden32105 *Which natural process created in you the sense of suffering and how?*
@@atheism-themoststupidrelig5703natural processes dont lead to “creation”.
@@Chickennuggie1498 *I appreciate your wonderful and meaningless remark.*
@@atheism-themoststupidrelig5703 I appreciate your clear lack of intellectual honesty and integrity.
you should watch the debates of Dr
Ed Feser and Dr William Lane Craig about God in which they debate
against atheists and although the videos are long and advanced it's
worth it; they change many opinions and prejudices that atheists
and agnostics have about Theism, with those debates I realized that
the defense of God is much stronger, rational and deeper than even
I believed. They show how it’s totally possible to be rational,
analitic and at the same time defending God's existence. And the
reason why specifically the Christian religion would be the true one
is because of the resurrection which is almost a historical fact, you
can watch debates about it and see how the defense of the
resurrection of Jesus is rationally strong.
One night my family and I gathered in the living room to discuss this same topic: “How can we be so sure that God exists and that we are worshipping the correct true God?”
Well, we talked and reasoned about the topic for several hours until we all concluded in agreement that it is only by Faith that we decide to believe/trust in our conviction of believing in God.
So, since we concluded that our belief in God was based on Faith, we all decided to just go to bed and leave it at that.
When I woke up the next morning, I sat up on the edge of my bed, grabbed my Bible, and made a quick prayer to God. I said to God: “God, please speak to me through this Bible, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.” THAT’S ALL I PRAYED. Then, I opened up my Bible in no specific order/manner, and laid my eyes on the first words I saw on the page. What I read next had me feeling so scared that I almost threw the Bible on the ground as I was shocked of the fact that what I was reading, felt like God was literally talking to me in person.
The passage I read is found in the New Testament, in the book of Galatians Chapter 1 verses 6 through 9 which read:
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are following a different gospel - not that there really is another gospel, but there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!”
That morning, I believe God himself directly gave me the answer to last night’s long discussion topic: “Is God real? Do I believe in the correct and true God?”
The answer is YES. God is REAL!
I’m a Christian since the age of around 10 so I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and that ONLY He is the path to SALVATION. That all who believe in Jesus Christ will not perish but live eternally with Him in Heaven.
Jesus Christ said: “I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. Nobody comes to the Father but by me.” So, nobody can be with the Father(God) but ONLY through believing and accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
God bless you all and may God keep you safe from all of the devil’s lies and tactics to distract or push you away from the one TRUE GOD. AMEN!!!
Oh so you were traumatized into belief by a god who supposedly gave you the mind to question but will condemn you to hell if you do...sounds nice. If that is your God then I hope you do not open you mouth to condemn any other megalomaniac--Hitler, Putin, Mussolini...because yours is 10x worse. And darling, coincidences happen, especially when the bible is full of quotes like that,
Terrible reason to believe in a myth.
Alright, cool
now prove God
"an experienced showman"
Actually, he's an experiences and brilliant philosopher with over 200 articles published in peer-reviewed journals of philosophy, over 30 books collaborating with some of the best philosophers of the modern era and he's been praised as one of the great thinkers of our age by many top atheist philosophers like Quentin Smith.
Alot of atheists seem to think Craig is just a "showman" or debating. Debating is just something he does on the side.
name at least 10 of the many great atheist philosophers
@@Southpaw88Name ONE single philosopher who was great BECAUSE he believed in God?
And name one philosopher who should be of value if his intellect was not sufficient to allow him to question that which is patently ridiculous.