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    In Warhammer 40K we are told that the golden throne is failing, when it dies it will be the end of humanity. This is the center of a massive conspiracy that was uncovered by 2 inquisitors in the vaults of tera trilogy. The craziest part was that humanity's salvation would end up coming from one of the most unlikely sources, The Dark FREAKIN Eldar! but what did they want in return? Spoiler alert...Something to horrible for words.
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    3:24 The End Of The Golden Throne
    8:29 The Conspiracy Is Uncovered: Book 1
    13:37 The Dark Eldar, An Unlikely Savior.
    25:18 What Does This Mean For 40K's Future?
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  • @weshammer
    @weshammer  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

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    • @5thBuddha
      @5thBuddha 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      We love you Wes%

    • @falloutfable1049
      @falloutfable1049 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      First off.
      Good work...
      Second I have a tiff with this whole 30 years of lore
      The very pure pressure from our ancestors we are still trying to lift.
      So it would be wonderful if there is a way that you can comprehensively understand that multiple factions are trying to get their hands on a golden throne and a emperor.
      Such as tryzeen white the fulgrim clone. And the complete 1 to 1 of the golden throne. Granted tryzeen is entirely doing this purely to do something.
      And getting a copy of the emperor is challenging for him. Making it worth tryzeen's while.
      While the drukari have been trying to reach the emperor about his cars extended warranty.
      And by this I mean. Ever since slannesh's birth.
      The dark eldari have not only been making humanity in general suffer. Not because they want to of course. But because they have to in order to sustain.
      Meaning.
      Why wouldn't the drukari attempt to make a half baked version of the emperor and the golden throne.
      Though this throne and emperor would be half baked to us.
      To the drukari. It would be enough to free them from slannesh's captivity.
      Even if it was the equivalent of merely a flash bang into the eyes of the chaos entity known as slannesh.
      With the birth of the drukari emperor.
      Probably known along the lines as king homunculus.
      And would probably suffer a backwards version of what happened to the inquisitor when his blood mixed with the homunculus.
      Where instead of the inquisitor being slowly transformed into the homunculus where the only thing preventing complete melding of the inquisitor and the homunculus is the inquisitors will power.
      Meaning.
      The drukari homunculus lord would more than likely begin to exhibit traits of the emperor of mankind despite merely being a homunculus. With the emperor's genetic code.
      And in theory as is done with slannesh here.
      I do plan on doing to the rest of the chaos pantheon.
      With krons representation. It would be the Tau. Specifically that of the farsight enclave.
      While tzeench would be nekrons and nurgle the kroot.
      Just makes sense in my mind don't know about y'all's or if I will be able to translate said sense that I have about these things.

    • @bikehunter82
      @bikehunter82 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Now I have a badass Noise Marine shirt and now I will grab Fume. I quit vaping 2 years ago, this will be a better alternative, since life is starting to suck lol.

    • @5thBuddha
      @5thBuddha 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @bikehunter82 bro they taste better than commercials

    • @webdude15
      @webdude15 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      you know, if you think about it. the emperor isnt who would be put on the dark throne. it owuld be the star-child. think about it. they pull souls not whole gods and that thing is the only non-claimed source of his power in realspace. a shard of the emperor is something they can bind. its not TOO strong, kinda like a shard of Magnus.
      that might just be fan theory worthy

  • @michaelbillingham5580
    @michaelbillingham5580 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +413

    next book series: Dark eldari perfectly clone the god emperor, trazyn shows up, goes "yoink" hilarity ensues

    • @Blackwing2345635
      @Blackwing2345635 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

      Also yoinks the whole scene of demon invasion, thus saving drukhari and the web.
      And then it is never used again, everything returns to the norm.
      Also somehow there should be an old man's squabble with Orikan, and all those galaxy-defining events are just background and nothing more than Trazyn's shenanigans.
      This would be the peak current WH40k

    • @randyping6036
      @randyping6036 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      , I will totally pay for that series on paper

    • @garretth8224
      @garretth8224 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The "Vaults of Terra" covered a Dark Eldar plot, which was to retrieve some of Emps DNA to create a clone of him. They failed.

    • @GTFODeathknight
      @GTFODeathknight 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      who else but trazyn
      *LAUGH TRACK PLAYS*

    • @Jadefox32
      @Jadefox32 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@GTFODeathknight"it's Traazyn Traazyn you never know what he's gonna do next!"

  • @LiShuBen
    @LiShuBen 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +805

    Plot twist: the eldar accidentally create a perfect body for the emperors soul to reside so he just hops to the new body, obliterates all the local eldar and goes back to terra

    • @leandrocastello309
      @leandrocastello309 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

      By the time he would be out of the webway there would be no terra.

    • @ewokFTW
      @ewokFTW 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

      Emporor: Calculated.

    • @Deadpoolzilla
      @Deadpoolzilla 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +73

      @@LiShuBen gamesworkshop: hey, now, let’s not get crazy here. You’re giving our go nowhere universe something important and we can’t have that

    • @Keram-io8hv
      @Keram-io8hv 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Weird question... Is Emperor strongest psyker in galaxy or there are like Eldr psykers who were stronger?

    • @logandickerson5628
      @logandickerson5628 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      @@Keram-io8hvthe emperor is number one by FAR.

  • @billdefranza4927
    @billdefranza4927 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +593

    Plot twist, the golden throne is powered by the two deleted primarchs running on giant hamster wheels. The stories about them are the cover up.

    • @chadL.321
      @chadL.321 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      🎉😂love the mental image

    • @thomassmith2605
      @thomassmith2605 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Honestly that'd be a pretty awesome twist to the story 😂

    • @animan095
      @animan095 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I need a comic of that

    • @InitHello
      @InitHello 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Headcanon 300% accepted.

    • @rylievalentine7109
      @rylievalentine7109 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      A custodes once saw that. Then there were 3 wheels for a while

  • @Keilink
    @Keilink 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +212

    Imagine for a minute:
    Dark eldars get the materials they need, creat a clone of the emperor, put it on the dark throne, turn it on... and instead of daemons from the 4 it's waves and waves and waves of Legion of the Damned assisted by saints that pour out of the rifts x'D

    • @voss9842
      @voss9842 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      I’m just imagining it like “OH NOO HERE COMES FERRUS MANUS WITH THE METAL CHAIR!” Just hops out of the warp for a smackdown.

    • @garretth8224
      @garretth8224 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It wouldn't get rid of the original Emps.

    • @jorahtheexplorer3262
      @jorahtheexplorer3262 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Vect: well .... shit.

    • @krommike9904
      @krommike9904 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      if you cloned the emperor you would get a standard perpetual at best. The gifts that make big e big e are not genetic in nature, this doesn't seem very well thought out

    • @Benevolent_sociopath
      @Benevolent_sociopath 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@krommike9904read the room

  • @al77709
    @al77709 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +254

    One way this plotline can be resolved is that Crowl, Spinoza & co establish contact with Jaghatai Khan, convince him to launch a raid on Commorragh, and recover components of the Dark Throne during the chaos, so that the Fabricator-General can scrap them and use them to bolster the original. Adeptus Mechanicus might not be able to repair the throne, but they're exceptionally good at kitbashing existing components and technology into something functional.
    GW has been moving the plot forward to bring back Primarchs, so this might be how we get Jaghatai into realspace. It would also be fun to see the Dark Eldar, who are so proud of their "raids" on undefended Imperial planets, find themselves on the receiving end of a proper Central Asian steppe nomad style raid.

    • @inquisitorgrynthebandito2736
      @inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Why Khan? Wouldn't the Raven Guard be perfect for such a job? There are books on their artifact retrieval missions

    • @muda1312
      @muda1312 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      @@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 Because it's speculated he ended up in Commorragh post heresy

    • @domitesse5867
      @domitesse5867 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 If i remember correctly, Khan should be somewhere in webway (if he is not dead) so if they are traped inside, he is the only guy they can ask for help.

    • @thisistherevolt
      @thisistherevolt 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      ​@@domitesse5867Sandman of Terra put forth the thought the Khan is in a pocket of the Webway where everything repeats over and over. Note that the raiding party that Jaghatai was chasing has never been seen again either. Surely at least one of them would've bragged they tricked/killed/captured/got one over on a Primarch.

    • @domitesse5867
      @domitesse5867 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@thisistherevolt i cant even image what horror would happen if they put hands on primarch. If they can clone Biggie i would not be suprised if they make evil army of very sadistic Khans xD but jokes aside i hope next primarch that will come back is Jaghatai, this dude is one of the coolest of primarchs. If GW wants to expand plot with golden throne and dark eldars that would be perfect moment to bring him back.

  • @TheMetroidblade
    @TheMetroidblade 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +144

    I really thought they were going to fix the throne but install a signal that beams the emperors pain directly to them basically supercharging them and putting them in symbiotic relationship with the humans.

    • @SireD-si2xt
      @SireD-si2xt 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      Heyyy, I kinda like that.

    • @Shogundoxie1414
      @Shogundoxie1414 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Don't give GW ideas

    • @JCDenton2012Modder
      @JCDenton2012Modder 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      This... sounds like something that they would be super into.

    • @smithynoir9980
      @smithynoir9980 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Dang, that'd be awesome as!

    • @danielmartin531
      @danielmartin531 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 out of 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

  • @Sealhunt
    @Sealhunt 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +69

    Now wouldn't that be hilarious: The Dark Eldar create a perfect clone of the Emperor but his complete soul jumps into the new body and wipes the floor with them, but not before shutting off the failsafe device. I can see it now: "Hello everyone! Thank so much for all your hard work on such a handsome new body! Alas, you go die now".

    • @Geraduss
      @Geraduss 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I'm sure they would implement some failsafe in that body, something to insta kill it if it ever turned against its creators.

    • @Suninrags
      @Suninrags วันที่ผ่านมา

      his soul is framented tho

  • @Silverwing2112
    @Silverwing2112 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +270

    Last time I was this early the Warmaster still had hair.

    • @KidCaelus
      @KidCaelus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      The Warmaster had more hair than his topknot??

    • @Silverwing2112
      @Silverwing2112 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@KidCaelusHorus didn't have a topknot, whatchu on about? Abbadon has one, I know that.

    • @KidCaelus
      @KidCaelus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@Silverwing2112 that’s the joke. Ya’know cause Abbadon is the *current* Warmaster. I’m implying i’m too new to have known who Horus was yet
      EDIT: now realizing too late that the better reply would’ve been “Who tf is Horus?!”

    • @eats_a_skittle5459
      @eats_a_skittle5459 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@KidCaelusbro had to break it down for em 😂

    • @Silverwing2112
      @Silverwing2112 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@eats_a_skittle5459 Yes, thank you. You've come to the realization that I'm a dumbass nearly as fast as me.

  • @zawwin1846
    @zawwin1846 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    Imagine the doctor just popped up on Terra and like ..huh, this switch is off, let me turn it back on. Then boom, golden throne restored.

    • @josiahzabel8596
      @josiahzabel8596 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I've seen fanfic playing with that.(The Doctor needed him for Demons Run,) Also saw one where The Emperor's is Jack Harkness.

    • @jorahtheexplorer3262
      @jorahtheexplorer3262 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "Would you fancy a jelly baby?" "Oohh my SELF!! I haven't had one of those since we accidentally nuked London"

  • @Drakonian-gz2nq
    @Drakonian-gz2nq 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    It would be cool to see the Clone Emperor awakens and just goes "EEEEW!" and kills a bunch of eldar, and then he realizes that if he dosen't sit on the throne the Webway will be entirely overrun, so he sits on it but also constantly fucks with Cammoragh with his Psych powers, like, he is *forced* to help the drukhari, otherwise humanity will never have access to the Webway, but he becomes another sentient emperor so he starts contacting his sons and this could become a greater plotline that the Black Library will never use, ever, cowards.

    • @SittingOnEdgeman
      @SittingOnEdgeman 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I think this would actually be the most GW solution: Emperor's soul relocates to the Webway on this new golden throne, and Webway portals starts randomly opening up to help Imperial citizens in need, and Comoragh, while free from demons, is now beset by plagues of intense light and sun and fire that cleanse whole swathes of the city.
      I also think this COULD be a device for the division of the Emperor's Soul between the Dark King and the Star Child. I think the Dark King - representing the conquering emperor, the cold god of Order and Reason that he was becoming at the end of the Heresy - would occupy this "Dark Throne", and the Star Child - representing the emperor's compassion and love for humanity - would be reborn out of the failure of the Golden Throne. That sets up a "civil war" between emperors, which helps balance out the power boost Imperium would get from Big E coming back.

  • @icarusblues7699
    @icarusblues7699 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Wes, ya' forgot about that period of time where they gave the throne a device that creates speech from text for the emperor to use

    • @alfiemcfarland2932
      @alfiemcfarland2932 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I thought that was fan made.

    • @GeneGear
      @GeneGear 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@alfiemcfarland2932 The Inquisition found the Emperor's chatter too madness-inducing, and had the device removed.

  • @MforMovesets
    @MforMovesets 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +126

    Ads be like "We all have bad habits, you, me, we're friggin disgusting filth. Buy our product you filth."

    • @Section8dc
      @Section8dc 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😂

    • @MaticustheRed
      @MaticustheRed 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Wanna know how we know You're awful? Easy, we're awful, too.

    • @MforMovesets
      @MforMovesets 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@MaticustheRed It sounds less insulting if we let you know we're also awful.

  • @RevokFarthis
    @RevokFarthis 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    "I can't find a way to make a Dark Emperor work on any conceivable level that doesn't completely contradict 30 years of lore."
    So GW's gonna do it next week, with the barest weakest attempt at retconning the lore saying "no, its always been this way."

    • @theenderdestruction2362
      @theenderdestruction2362 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      shhhh you'll alert the idiots who agree with the female custodians or the female space marine fool SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    • @AngryHomunculus
      @AngryHomunculus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The dichotomy of GW

  • @dinoblaster736
    @dinoblaster736 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +219

    the emperors eternal streak on the edging throne

    • @yopoxikeweapescai9066
      @yopoxikeweapescai9066 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      💀💀💀

    • @Cthulhuwarlord
      @Cthulhuwarlord 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      Inquisitor this commentor right there

    • @Mondy667
      @Mondy667 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Fulgrim basicslly

    • @PhthaloGreenskin
      @PhthaloGreenskin 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      The emperor's new goon XD

    • @LordCrate-du8zm
      @LordCrate-du8zm 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      You shall be thrice purged for your heresy.

  • @BT293HG
    @BT293HG 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    A clone appears, and suddenly, Trazyn

    • @LeonidasRex1
      @LeonidasRex1 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Because Trazyn happens.

  • @the36lessons11
    @the36lessons11 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    The Emperor incarnates into the clone host in Commorragh. Easily breaks out of the Drukhari's control since he is on par with a God. Wastes all of Commorragh and the Drukhari are annihilated. New functioning Throne now residing in the Webway. Emperor's old body on Terra dies. The Gate shatters and the Emperor walks through confusing the hell out of everyone. Humanity now has a completed Webway Project and ample space to reside in.

    • @gjfwang
      @gjfwang 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not really a grimdark ending

    • @anka_art7372
      @anka_art7372 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@gjfwangfor the dark Eldar it is. For us, mildly amusing

  • @Calaban619
    @Calaban619 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

    Thought: Emperor dies.on Earth, perpetuates onto husk on Dark throne instantly. Astronomical only flickers. Great Crusade to rescue the Living Emperor from Dark Elder. chase them out. Purge the Demons. Throne Secundus now safe in webway, Emperor got his Webway for Humanity afterall. Game on

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why would the emperor need rescuing? Hes essentially a chaos god of humanity... be like the demons of khorne trying to rescue khorne... the setting doesnt work at all with a living emperor... lol.

    • @jurekovacic1739
      @jurekovacic1739 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I don't think this is grimdark enough.
      I think the proper way to do it is to make the new Throne Secundis be used for Emps no.2 to truly ascend, as his mortal form could not sustain him anyomre. Thus taking him out of the realspace but havibg him truly become a true god of humanity.
      But he would still be preocupied with keeping up the astronomicon, fighting the chaos gods etc, but could take a far more active role in empowering and guiding the humanity.
      Some hope, but still grimdark af

  • @TheKotor2309
    @TheKotor2309 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    Lots of heresy in this video. Time to call the Inquisitor.

    • @j0wwify
      @j0wwify 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Better call luetin09 and get this cleaned up quickly

    • @negadoge
      @negadoge 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      We're already here...

    • @Aberinkula9
      @Aberinkula9 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They were called and they are currently M.I.A.

  • @cotykilgannon1468
    @cotykilgannon1468 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Emporer clone immediately fucks off to Terra, unplugs the big chair and reincarnates like a doctor who season change.

  • @kevinthomas4064
    @kevinthomas4064 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Plot Twist, if they do create their own "Dark Emperor" the Big E will secretly control or at.least influence his clone to control the dark Eldar to do the things he cant have the Imperium do😊

  • @micolekreeves6731
    @micolekreeves6731 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Plot twist: the golden throne is powered by a hamster running on a wheel

    • @CantoniaCustoms
      @CantoniaCustoms 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's gotta be the funniest way to introduce the Skaven to WH40k

  • @Hyperspace-Hub
    @Hyperspace-Hub 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    GW: Somehow -Palpatine- -The Emperor- -The Primarchs- … that one guy from a white dwarf short 28 years ago, returns.

  • @alieid9359
    @alieid9359 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Eldar : creates a perfect clone of the Emperor's body
    The Emperor: is it for me ? 🤩

  • @justarandombird
    @justarandombird 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Now i'm curious... so Perturabo has a gift to understand how anything works by merely looking at it... would he, if he was still a loyalist (and less salty (but understandably so)) be able to fix the golden throne and get the webway running as was intended? 🤔

    • @TheRaidenLP
      @TheRaidenLP 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Most likely, yes. But since he’s … well Perty, no chance in hell

    • @justarandombird
      @justarandombird 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@TheRaidenLP fair enough, and thanks for answering my question btw!

    • @wmen48
      @wmen48 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Even if at first he couldn't, he would at a point by going super sayan like the khan accessesing his super speed.

    • @justarandombird
      @justarandombird 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wmen48 Perty's ultimate form shall be a quantumcomputer that's also capable of creating nice stuff haha (thanks for the response btw :D)

    • @gobolgar
      @gobolgar 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Most likely not. Perturabo's gifts are immense, but he can't replicate alien tech, only approximate what alien tech does with human-derived tech. The core problem of the Golden Throne's failure is that the Emperor 'borrowed' key components from alien races such as the Eldar, hence the Wraithbone psy-channels integrated into its design and other parts. Even the Emperor lacks the ability to replicate these alien parts, which is why the only way to build new ones is to go to the people who originally created said parts in the first place. Perty could maybe jury rig the Throne to last a few more decades, but the core issue is one even he can't fix. Especially since he's no expert on Warp-based technology.

  • @HalduBouyaNono2
    @HalduBouyaNono2 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    So, my proposition :
    > The Emperor (at least his mortal body) finally dies
    > End of the Times situation
    > The WH40K universe merges with the realms from Age of Sigmar
    > Sigmar is now canon again in the WH40K universe (he actually was in the earliest lore versions since the Warhammer Fantasy world was implied to be a planet isolated from the rest of the galaxy by a Warp storm, that's good enough for me)
    > Sigmar, who also ascended as a god, sits on the Dark Throne in Commoragh
    > Repeals demons from all GW franchises.
    > GW goes bankrupt.

  • @mprojekt72
    @mprojekt72 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    The drukhari that came up with the plan to clone Big-E are big-mad idiots who were snorting refined, powdered Norn Queen secretions. As soon as they stuck their Emperor-clone on their copy of the Golden Throne, the Pillar Men theme song would play, seemingly from all around them. Their new man-toy would slam down an Uno Reverse card as all the Dark Eldar nearby fell to dust or exploded in everything except delight and pleasure.

    • @SvengelskaBlondie
      @SvengelskaBlondie 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Dark Eldar: why are we suddenly hearing this aztek dubstep so loud and clear ?

  • @notthatgerry
    @notthatgerry 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I don't know a lot of homunculus in the context of Warhammer 40k but taking into consideration the fact that Fabius Bile was able to perfect the cloning of a Primarch, the Drukhari are also capable of doing so, and thus, the Emperor in Terra and the Emperor in Comorrag would share a soul. Yeah, good luck trying to control that.

  • @thetravellerx5676
    @thetravellerx5676 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    This seems like a great opportunity to reintroduce Jaghatai Khan back into the setting.

  • @RevokFarthis
    @RevokFarthis 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    "Dark Eldar God-Emperor" a Degemperor, if you will.

    • @negadoge
      @negadoge 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      we can just say degenerate... I think at least.

    • @gremblorthesackgoblin7953
      @gremblorthesackgoblin7953 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A "Big D" to match our Big E

  • @Avigorus
    @Avigorus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Prediction: the Dark Throne and the clone body will somehow be used as a reset of sorts to keep Chaos from fully winning... but it might come at the cost of Terra itself, due to that contingency (unless there's a way to turn it off so that the Emperor body hopping doesn't destroy the planet), and it could cause mass confusion of navigation because suddenly the Beacon has a new home.

  • @flaviofr4v0
    @flaviofr4v0 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    They can clone the Emperor's body, but without his immense soul, the clone would be just another ordinary human.

    • @gjfwang
      @gjfwang 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Would at least be primarch level

    • @thrumwolf9583
      @thrumwolf9583 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@gjfwang that could depend on if it would keep any of his abilities such as his physical strength, psychic strength, management skills, and natural intelligence, if it had at least one of theses the clone could turn the tide of a few battles but it could also cause a schism with the clone Big E saying that the imperial cult is lies, which could within itself could cause at worse entire segmentums to split off and rebel, at best ehhhhhh some big players might forsake the imperial truth, such as guiliman, the custodes, etc, but they could also see the clone as an abomination and cause any hope for even a part of the Emperor albiet not possessing his soul, from possible helping the imperium
      Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk

  • @randyping6036
    @randyping6036 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Plot twist: The Emperor was just a space janitor named Neil who got godlike psychic powers from a warp storm. The whole crew became the perpetuals, but he mind wiped them and planted false memories.

  • @TechNinjaSigma
    @TechNinjaSigma 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    "YES! We have our own version of the Emperor!"
    The Dark KING: 😈

    • @KunDziki
      @KunDziki 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Just the Kink 😉

  • @TheBigExclusive
    @TheBigExclusive 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hmm...Majorkill and Weshammer both making Emperor videos at the same time. It's a good week for Emperor fans.

  • @meik-oliver5931
    @meik-oliver5931 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I would be totally in for the "Obsidian Throne"

  • @UGNAvalon
    @UGNAvalon 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    “If the Golden Throne were to fail, the Light of the Astronomicon would go out, Daemons would pour into realspace, and humanity would be doomed to extinction.”
    Meanwhile, in Imperium Nihilus: 😐

  • @rumorcontrol7873
    @rumorcontrol7873 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I think the collapse of the golden throne storyline is going to intersect with the Bile stole Alpha Primus' geneseed storyline, Bile is going to try to perfect what Belisarius was trying to do with Primus because He know genecraft but Bile is going to accidentally create a new perfect body for The Emperor's soul to inhabit. Big E will likely take possession of this new body circumstantially simultatious to the Throne failing whenever that ends up being

    • @weshammer
      @weshammer  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That's an awesome theory!

  • @ColCoal
    @ColCoal 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Imagine being the Dark Eldar and you clone the Emperor only to find out that him being a crippled husk isn't in his genetics when he comes out of the labs.

  • @ClockworkEngineer
    @ClockworkEngineer 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    "The Dark Eldar can't even bind minor daemons." Meanwhile, Mandrakes continue hiding out of sight.

    • @tokukeitaro
      @tokukeitaro 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "Mandrakes? Not bad...for xenos."
      - Sgt. Mkoll, Scout Section Leader, Tanith First And Only.

    • @gobolgar
      @gobolgar 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Dark Eldar capture greater daemons inside torture cubes and power entire blocks of Commorragh through the suffering generated from such pain boxes.

  • @danielmurdock9159
    @danielmurdock9159 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Spinoza and Crowl sound like Warhammer's version of Mulder and Scully.

  • @CyberCyborg_2.0
    @CyberCyborg_2.0 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    my theory is that the dark eldar somehow manage to have magnus the red to sit on the thrown (either by a agreement or convincing him that the dark thrown would make him into a god like his father) Now to be clear the dark eldar needed "The Emperor's blood" and what's considered close enough? One of his sons! If mangus were to agree to this not only he'll be as powerful as his father but it would sort of fulfills magnus's role of having his own thrown sort of like Loki becoming the god of the multiverse.

    • @bloodkip9462
      @bloodkip9462 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ain't no way the Dark Eldar are letting a daemon primarch into commorragh for any reason.

  • @seiglegar
    @seiglegar 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's been implied that the perfect clone of Fulgrim worked because Fulgrim never actually fell to chaos, he was possessed... I know more recent novels retconned that, but it would make Traven's clone a viable story path for an uncorrupted version of Fulgrim to return, and a dark eldar made clone of the emperor would be a viable path for him to return in full too

  • @Khornecussion
    @Khornecussion 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    " If you had a perfect clone of the Emperor, but he was six inches tall, would you still torture it? "

  • @YourHighnessIV
    @YourHighnessIV 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Gotta love it when Wes uploads

  • @Bracus_Jawn
    @Bracus_Jawn 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Luce Spinoza and Erasmus are two of my favorite characters in 40k. Their dynamic is so awkward and complimentary at the same time. Feels like a buddy cop movie reading those novels. I haven’t read the last one so i’ll come back after 😂

  • @GoDoggoGo
    @GoDoggoGo 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wes “For All Intents and Purposes” Hammer, thanks for all the work you do! Love your vids and always look forward to seeing them in my feed.

  • @Miaholmes4952
    @Miaholmes4952 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    Greetings, have a good one

  • @ivannaydenov-wb2tp
    @ivannaydenov-wb2tp 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Greetings, have a good one.

    • @m.mulder8864
      @m.mulder8864 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Hey man, you too.

    • @Section8dc
      @Section8dc 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Emperors blessings upon you friend!

  • @kiekhem
    @kiekhem 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You are the only channel i get genuinely excited for when you upload a new vid! I feel like a crack fiend refreshing my feed hoping for my next hit.

  • @Chief_American_Patriot
    @Chief_American_Patriot 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    My theory is that there is just a hole in the webway or something letting demons in, and the "dark" thrown is actually less powerful the the golden thrown so they will just end up throwing a ton of psykers on it or something every day to power it

  • @Vohtwomax
    @Vohtwomax 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    This is a REALLY spicy plot line. I knew parts of this story already, but not the "entire" thing.
    Couple things to note here: 1) The Golden Throne is NOT keeping the Emperor alive, per se. It is very much reciprocal, a feedback loop if you will. He is powering it and it empowers Him, but He is in a perpetual state of regeneration (think Wolverine's battle with Adamantium) and it is only because of the extra "infusion" from the psykers that allows this process to continue
    2) We do not actually KNOW what would happen if The Emperor was removed from the Throne. Yes, it would be catastrophic in the short term, but long term we dont know what would happen, BUT it might possibly allow the Emperor to fully regenerate, based on his perpetual powers (maybe, we don't actually know that either)
    3) With a clone of The Emperor, could that possibly allow Him to transfer his soul/consciousness in to this new body, thus allowing him to kick some ass again?
    4) if an entirely brand new "Dark Throne" is constructed, could the Imperium not go steal it? Invade the webway, kick some Drukhari ass and just take the replacement?
    Just a few thoughts on the matter. I would very much like to see GW tale some chances with the setting and explore some of these possibilities. Maybe nothing happens overall, because the new Throne gets damaged or sabotaged before The Imperium can claim it, but there is an entire setting where the Imperium has to send armies in to the Webway to battle Xenos, Daemons, and maybe even Tyranids and Necrons as well.
    Cool plot piece and I hope GW does SOMETHING with it, even if it amounts to nothing at the end

    • @Sayrden
      @Sayrden 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Interesting thought, but would the Imperium actually remove the Dark Throne from Commorragh? Even if they could seize control long enough to steal something so massive, the Imperium doesn't really understand the Throne. Would they risk damaging it in the process?

    • @Vohtwomax
      @Vohtwomax 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Sayrden who knows? I wouldn't put it past them to try it, desperation and ignorance are a powerful combination. We've seen the Imperium do some bone headed shit already, so why not this as well? Even thinking they were doing the right thing could still back-fire

  • @thetobi583
    @thetobi583 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Emperor awakens in his Drukhari body and immediately starts roasting everyone around T2S style before using the webway to warp straight to The Golden Throne... Poor Kitten is gonna be startled lol

  • @Scudboy17
    @Scudboy17 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I could see the Drukari Emperor reincarnating with at least part of the Emperor's, just nope out of Commorragh after nuking the dark eldar, walk into the Imperial Palace thru the now functioning human webway portal, just to resurect his original body with its current soul, then turn to his new "brother" and say "It's good to see you again, father." The original Emperor just responds."No, I am Alpharius."

  • @owenkelly2940
    @owenkelly2940 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love whenever I log in and see a new @WesHammer video. Have you thought about doing a video on Sepulturum from Warhammer horror? It's my favorite!

    • @weshammer
      @weshammer  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's the only horror book I haven't read/listened to yet actually! It's on my list but I've been holding off as I know as soon as I listen to it I'll be out of Warhammer horror books and that...well that will make me very sad 😅. I'll listen to it eventually but I've been saving it for a special occasion

  • @Yourgiftisdeath
    @Yourgiftisdeath 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Heard the description of these books, paused the video and immediately bought them all in the black library. sounds amazing. I'll finish the video once I'm done with the books

  • @5thBuddha
    @5thBuddha 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Just finished Horus Rising cuz of you Wes, back for more :)

  • @ronmiller5968
    @ronmiller5968 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is amazing work. Great job to all involved

  • @aSkymne
    @aSkymne 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Even in the grim dark future of the 41st millennium cops still have to discover conspiracies that “go all the way to the top”

  • @Bulgarian021
    @Bulgarian021 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    THAT WAS really amazing, very interesting lore , man ! GJ

  • @jaymitchell6253
    @jaymitchell6253 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great episode Wes!

  • @LexingtonRoseG
    @LexingtonRoseG 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Considering the Thousand Sons' complicated relationship with the Eldar, I could see Magnus somehow sitting on the Dark Eldar throne especially bc it's proven he's strong enough to operate the Golden Throne in his lesser non-demonic form

  • @ryansaunders9901
    @ryansaunders9901 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yo I love ur content keep it up I'd love to see more orks stuff but I love everything u make keep it up

  • @Geebees93
    @Geebees93 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Warhammer 40k: The series where a lot happens but also nothing ever happens.

  • @evanraynolds8699
    @evanraynolds8699 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    my personal headcanon on emps dying is that his perpetuallity is basically gone. Horus was basically the Chaos Gods all in one when emps was dealt the fatal blow, plus emps had rejected godhood and was much weaker than before. Plus Horus perma killed Ollianius (who was also a perpetual) with just a thought. So Horus, as the avatar of chaos, could kill a perpetual permenantly.

  • @alrainiernorico2706
    @alrainiernorico2706 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the video bro!

  • @dwaynewrighton8547
    @dwaynewrighton8547 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would take a minimum of 10,000 years for the emperor to be reborn, based on malcador being a perpetual, and yet to return to the setting. Sure, the emperor probably could return quicker, but it will probably still take a few thousand years based on his imperium and Astarte ending contingency in the event of his actual death

  • @Bluesonofman
    @Bluesonofman 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can see Big E just taking the Body for himself.

  • @exiledhelljumper452
    @exiledhelljumper452 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As we know from the clone of Horus, a clone is only a shadow of the real deal without it's soul. Emps would probably just be like "Yo new body! Yoink! Wait where tf am I?"

  • @PJOZeus
    @PJOZeus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Have you done a video on the yellow king yet? Dont remember if you have, would be fitting as a follow up for this
    Should do a slight broaded look into the character as well, information outside of 40K but pertinent to the subject, give people a better overview and expand their horizons

  • @Masterfulmodernman
    @Masterfulmodernman 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Punish me, god emperor, i am unworthy

  • @danollerenshaw8410
    @danollerenshaw8410 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Theory. The Emperor needs to be re-merged with the good shard of his soul that he separated ahead of facing Horus (the Star Child) before he dies and get's reincarnated (ref: Cypher "Not Yet"). In Bequin series that might be what Valdor is doing - trying to find the Star Child soul-shard and bring it back to the Emperor

  • @Thenonsocial
    @Thenonsocial 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wes channneling his inner Sly Marbo with that absolutely dashing outfit🎉

  • @michaelkimberling7307
    @michaelkimberling7307 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Somehow, I doubt Vect would allow anything like a Dark Eldar Emperor to exist. If he did, that would basically be screaming “I don’t want to be in power anymore”. Also known as, “I want to be tortured to death”.

  • @shinomori69
    @shinomori69 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Every time I hear more about the Drukhari the more I love them as narrative and story elements. Also Inquisitor Spinoza has such amazing irony in a name as Spinoza was a person from history who viewed reality and natural process as God.

  • @sharlockshacolmes9381
    @sharlockshacolmes9381 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I could see the dark throne being used by the Ynnaris either to achieve their purpose or the dark Eldar using them as proxies for the Emperor. Also I feel like if they ever cloned the Emperor, his soul could just refuse to enter the new body and the drukari would just have a really big braindead corpse with no psychic powers

  • @duyllama
    @duyllama 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Keep up the good work Wes. Luetin09 by night weshammer by day.

  • @numenoreaneternity6682
    @numenoreaneternity6682 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Vaults of Terra"
    RIP to the first true 40K Lore channel.

  • @DrBurgir
    @DrBurgir 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It is just so chill to listen to these kind of lore videos while painting miniatures from the pile of shame(thousand sons).

  • @mortenjensen946
    @mortenjensen946 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Keep up the good work

  • @runcmd1419
    @runcmd1419 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I could see a soft reset ‘long night’ scenario where the Emperor dies, and is gone for a short period of time, allowing chaos to wreak havoc. Then the star child is born, creating a new astrinomicon like beacon but weaker, and a great crusade is launched to bind humanity together once again.

  • @hakanlantto5073
    @hakanlantto5073 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its a nice bookseries indeed, thanks for making content around them. 🎉

  • @Regularlegs
    @Regularlegs 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The obvious power source for a Dark Eldar Throne would be a craftworld's infinity circuit. The infinity circuit is an amalgam of millions or billions of psychic eldar. The emperor is an amalgam of possibly a few thousand psychic humans.

  • @georgeblair3894
    @georgeblair3894 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A lone Votann approaches the Emperor. "Ahh I was told stories about this guy." The Custodes look at the squat creature with a mixture of bemusement and alarm. Ignoring their lowered (and pointed at him) spears, the Votann moves behind the chair.
    "Ahh here's your problem, ye got a loose wire and a missing connection." Fiddling about in his belt he pulls forth a device and promptly attaches it to another wire. "There that should do it. Stand back"
    An explosion of Golden Light consumes all nearby sacrifices.
    When the Custodes eyes clear, they see the Emperor standing upright.
    "10,000 YEARS AND NOBODY THOUGHT TO CALL A REPAIRMAN?"
    ********************************
    In all seriousness, GW needs to rip the band-aid off (literarily speaking) and move the story forward. I don't think they have the chops or chutzpah to do so.

  • @DakkaDakka12
    @DakkaDakka12 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They should have gone to the craftworld eldar instead of drukari.
    Craftworld eldar are more likely to work with the imperium.
    Craftworld eldar are not flesh crafters, but they have successfully put a spirit in a robotic body with wraithguards and wraithlords so I imagine they can figure out how to fix the throne and maybe even improve it.
    Perhaps the eldar could restore the emperor or the throne enough to communicate with the emperor and therefore ask for his protection from Slannesh as payment.

    • @gobolgar
      @gobolgar 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ironically, the Craftworlders are a lot less likely to agree to such a deal because they might look down on humans in general, but they harbor genuine fury towards the Emperor for good reason. He's the one who sent out the Great Crusade with a no-xenos policy that destroyed so many Craftworlds purely for the sake of human expansion, so there's a lot of bad blood there. The Drukhari don't care about this, though, they can and do sign bargains with humanity if they can find a way to profit from such deals. Just very likely to also betray them if they think they can get away with it.

  • @razor50189
    @razor50189 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love your videos man and I’ve been theorizing about the two missing primarchs and MIGHT think where one may have been since the Horus heresy cause there’s been some legions of from the warp actually help mankind on multiple accounts.

  • @pedroivantaveraferreira3037
    @pedroivantaveraferreira3037 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Emperor is anti-chaos above all else. If they can tune down the Dark Throne into not allowing total victory over chaos a brain dead Clone Emperor could be kept fighting Chaos forever. Maybe even fighting Slaneesh's influence on Drukari souls (slower aging?)

  • @fasteddy9789
    @fasteddy9789 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wes be taking a revenge right now! Its too good!

  • @SketchAndEtch
    @SketchAndEtch 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How the Drukhari could make this work: Do not copy the Emperor, but copy what the Emperor IS on a fundamental level. Figure out how the Emperor works from his genetic material, then sacrifice a shitton of their own psykers(because hell, this is just tuesday to them) to recreate the process and make a super-drukhari akin to the Emperor. Remember, they still are the Eldari, creating literal gods is not new to them.

  • @ElGrompho666
    @ElGrompho666 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    According to lore from the 9th Drukhari codex, some Kabals also still have weapons of mass destruction from the old Aeldari Empire stored away. You know, the ones that are capable of planetary annihilation at the blink of an eye. They just can't use them, cause they go to eat. But just like a clone of the Emperor, it's probably nice to have in case you do feel like wiping out a system or two.

  • @DocWolph
    @DocWolph 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1. The Drukari built the Dark Throne as a bargaining chip along with the promise (Ha! Not really) to provide the Emperor with new body. This gets complicated but this may only create a Earthly Emperor while the Emperor in the Warp goes on as a separate being. It is not likely the Drukari could ever control or convince to even cooperate a reborn Emperor. But the Drukari's goal is not to have the Emperor or his likeness in a clone as theirs, but simply to survive the apocalypse befalling them right now.
    2. The worlds the Drukari want are their fallback should or when Commorragh falls. The people there are just a house warming gift. There is also the possibility those worlds possess something not known to the Imperium.
    3. If or when Commorragh falls the Drukari are going to want to make themselves extremely valuable to the IoM to prevent an instant and immediate war of annihilation being waged on them when they are at their weakest and most defenseless. Thus the Dark Throne, getting their hands on the Emperor Genome, and having billions of Imperium citizens under boot. All so the Imperium does not wipe them out when they can not run hide or defend themselves.

  • @BlenderGeek
    @BlenderGeek 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As i remember it, the dark eldar still have psychic potential, but cant utilize it or they will be clamed by slenesh. I think if they established there own throne it could sever there connection to slenesh, allowing them to be a far more diminant race once more.

  • @Technoanima
    @Technoanima 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I enjoy these TL;DR series and hope you'll cover more of them.

  • @maxthereapernephilim2416
    @maxthereapernephilim2416 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think that instead of the Emperor clone being loyal to the Dark Eldar, it would be the other way around. The Dark Eldar would loyal to this Dark Emperor. And this Dark Emperor would want to enslave all of humanity. However, it could also be like a body hopping senrio for Emps too.

  • @rebvamp13
    @rebvamp13 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You got me listening to the series now

  • @johnmetzakis2910
    @johnmetzakis2910 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I believe it is a contingency for the Dark Eldar. given that that throne just powers the Astranomicon and the assumption of stabilizing to a degree safer warp travel, The Dark eldar would recreate and modify the their version to first cease the demonic incursion into Cormarragh, cloning the emperor to be nothing more than a power source for it while it could be considered a failsafe for when the OG throne fails. (they will ensure it fails when they are ready) and when it does they will then have controlling influence over the Astronomicon and to the warp to a degree, giving them far greater influence over the galaxy, or, the Haemonculi is just doing it for luls and at the next gathering can brag to other haemonculi that has acquired the genetic material for bragging rights and promotion

  • @karanod
    @karanod 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's clear that the Drukari intend to clone The Emperor; but we don't know what Soul they intend to inhabit this Perfect Host.
    Which Warp Entities are friendly with the Drukari?

    • @mehmetakifodabas9154
      @mehmetakifodabas9154 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      khaine maybe he is one of the few eldari deities left

  • @jadenxrpg1232
    @jadenxrpg1232 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love how when the second he mentioned magnus, the TTS version pops up lol

  • @CarnageCoon
    @CarnageCoon 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i'm pretty new in the hobby but what i first understood was: gw makes alot of what-if scenarios but doesn't really get forward

  • @Masterfulmodernman
    @Masterfulmodernman 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its so funny to me, as a scientist, find that kicking the druhkari a piece of the emperors hair to clome him witj seems absolutely rational, a way to make an ally of a bitter enemy. Amd solve a millenia old issue with litrrally a strang of hair