Yeah, I got annoyed with him when he got facts wrong that I didn’t even have to look up on Wikipedia because I have an annoyingly good memory when it comes to sports. OTOH, I forgot my parents anniversary this past weekend.
The only reason I was ever subscribed to him was to chat in his livestream once or twice because he restricted it. As soon as he runs into a team you know, it's really easy to see he either has a very superficial understanding (explained perfectly by Wiki plagiarism) or just gets random things wrong (also explained perfectly by Wiki plagiarism). Folks, don't use Wikipedia unless you're trying to find other sources via citations. Even if it's right 99% of the time (at best), it's still wrong at least 1% of the time. I've noticed that (unsurprisingly) team pages and rivalry pages are ESPECIALLY slanted towards whichever team has more fans that edit (like Clemson fans). If the series record is 35-10, they'll act like the team that lost 35 of 45 games is still on equal footing somehow. "Neutral point of view" my rear.
This is one of the most impressive videos I've ever seen. It's rare to see someone stand up for facts and truth and against those who abuse them. Well done, my friend.
@@MichaelPizdoes he own the NFL? Does DG own wikipedia? JG9 knows so much about copyright but is somehow unable to read an NFL ticket that says ''Football entertainment'' just like how WWE tickets said ''Wrestling entertainment'' Yeah what a fucking expert.
@@collegefootballpicks2972 Learn how the long-standing legal doctrine of Fair Use works. None of what you're saying has anything to do with the issue at hand.
Rather recently, a rather small NHL goal horn channel called Elite Goal Horns had to quit because his work got taken by some criminals in Sweden. YT took the plagiarists side, and Elite began speaking out against TH-cam about it.
I’m not surprised. Social media gives you a list of rules and then allows people to violate them. Facebook, TH-cam and Yahoo are the worst offenders. But they censor one side of the political aisle while they let the other side violate the rules regardless of the platform or subject.. It’s not the rule. It’s the hypocrisy I hate.
My older brother was a professor and had the dumbest case of plagiarism of all time. I will tell you what the note on the essay said. "This is really good writing. I should know because I wrote it. I will meet with you in my office after class."
Depressed Ginger gives me the impression he's one of those people who if he told you a blatant lie, and you provide him with the facts that prove him wrong, will never apologize and will just say "oh well, agree to disagree", and that's the most you're ever getting out of him.
@@david-468 do you have an example of him having a specific fact wrong where he did that? Not an opinion, but a fact. I honestly can't think of one, as his videos seem very thoroughly researched, but I'd be open to seeing proof to the contrary
If you told me that the entirety of Depressed Ginger's channel was AI generated I'd totally buy it But no, turns out it's just normal human laziness and greed 😂
The effort that JG9 put into finding the plagiarized work is incredible compared to this ginger's "videomaking." A damn shame that the ginger has even one subscriber.
he's gonna have some real competition in the coming years. Why would people spend time on him specifically when there are gonna be 100's of ai channels doing the same thing which as much character?
Besides the obvious plagiarism problem, this is also a good lesson in media literacy. If you watch a content creator whose content is dependent on factual statements(history, science, etc) and they don't probably display their sources or their source is straight up Wikipedia, you shouldn't trust that creator's content.
Because the originally cited articles were definitely correct at the time, right? Just like the reporting on Ty Cobb. Oh wait... that was all made up by an evil lying thief who was hoping to steal and reframe Cobb's life for his own profit. Just because something was published doesn't mean it's a fact, and often times media outlets will completely contradict prior stories they've published and never address which is actual fact.
I had to stop 15 minutes in when he decided he needed to let me know his stance on people announcing which genitals they like putting in their mouths before stating even a single act of plagiarism. Why he couldn't at least get to the point before jamming in his politics is beyond me.
I never watched Depressed Ginger but his delivery of what he was reading (plagiarizing) is easily a telltale sign since it seems he’s almost unfamiliar with what he’s reading. I literally screamed at my phone “a period means you pause…you don’t just run on the next sentence!” So many unnatural breaks in sentences…if you’re gonna steal at least rehearse the damn thing first! Just no effort. Both he and Somerton just seem bored reading what they stole…”gotta get through this to appease the algorithmic gods!” I guess the public service announcement here is…if the commentator on your TH-cam video seems extremely bored when conveying information just stop and plug a sentence from the video into Google and see what pops up.
I knew it sounded like he was just reading it, but I kinda just assumed he was reading his own script.Also I assumed the delivery was just part of the channels "depressed" thing. I thought it was just the style he was going for. I did notice his videos similarity to some of Forgotten Places vidoes. That's been a channel I've watched for a long time
@@louieo.blevinsmusic4197 Copyright violation is a legal concern. It's legal to copy Wikipedia (under certain conditions: notably, your work based on Wikipedia must be under the same license, allowing people to copy you; also, you must give attribution to your sources). Plagiarism is not a legal issue: it's an ethical one. It's about passing off other people's work as your own. Copying Wikipedia without attribution is both copyright violation *and* plagiarism.
I've probably been doing this as long as you've been alive. I'm 50 and have been in print journalism, mostly doing sports, since 1993. Getting in front of the camera really doesn't work for me because my voice is so deep it sounds awful on video. But like you, I've dedicated my life to this profession and earned my living doing it. And also, like you, I resent the hell out of it when someone gets into this business, whether it be print, TV, or online, and cuts corners. Plagiarism steals money from the original content creator and it reflects badly on everyone in the business. I follow your stuff because you're entertaining and also provide good information, and I know you work hard on it. I did catch a mistake once on a video that involved the 1971 Michigan football team and its rushing attack, where you didn't know that Oklahoma set the national single-season record that same season and it still stands. But that's the only time, and big deal (I remember it because it's the only time you missed something important!). I tell people I have 300 things to get done every week to provide content to my readers, and if I get 298 of them done and on-spot, that's a victory. It takes courage to take a stand against someone like this, especially someone as popular as he seems to be. But anyone trying to make an honest living as a content creator of any kind should stand with you on it. And I do.
Wish he could have got to them before forcing in his politics. If you insist on putting that garbage in a video, at least maybe show one singular act of plagiarism before letting me know you're on the "right side of history". Now I have zero interest in seeing any of his evidence, because I know it's born from bias. He didn't make this video because he realized this guy was copying videos. He heard his politics and looked for a way to cancel him. That's made obvious because, again, he mentioned this guy's politics before ever telling me about anything he stole.
Ya, I agree that was a dumb move by Gator. However I really don’t think he made this video to hate on DGs politics. That’s a lot of work, making an almost 2 hour long video, to simply bash the guys politics for 5 minutes. I just skipped that part. Every single person has a bias in this world on everything. If you don’t like it then just skip past it like I did
@@kenfresno2125 That’s hilarious. You just admitted that you’re so biased you refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees with you because you’re convinced that they’re biased and deserve to be cancelled. The only “politics” in this video was him pointing out that this guy is a moron for not knowing that Elon Musk can’t be president; which is just a statement of fact and not political. But you guys make everything political and assume we’re doing it to you because you’re so political. And what’s funny is that I thought Jaguar made a mistake by doing mentioning any of that because it’d offend all the rightwing snowflakes who pretend they’re tough yet freak out the moment someone says anything they disagree with. Thanks for proving me right.
@@forevertj I don’t even know what that means. Are you trying to make a gay joke? You know, the 1980’s was a long time ago. The only people who think that’s an insult are just exposing their insecurities.
I honestly saw Depressed Ginger’s content in the past few months due to my interest in the NFL as of late, mostly his predictions, and I didn’t know he not only had quite a mouth on him but he’s a blatant plagiarist who’s lucky the CEO of YT is too inept to stop him. I, thankfully, haven’t really watch his content outside of the predictions as I saw they were boring, and you bet I’m not touching anything on his channel ever again after this. This video was a honestly pretty sobering watch and was well-made, too. I aways enjoyed your content and the research you put into it. Keep up the great work! ❤️
I came across his content for NFL predictions too. It's funny because even when he's making up his predictions, he usually just goes by 2 or 3 certain analytics and provides zero detail beyond "x team looks good when it comes to analytics"
after looking in and watching all of this, i really hope that all other sports content creators (utree, five points, tom grossi, brandon perna, etc.) call this behavior out. especially in a very tight community like this, one bad actor turns all of us bad. there is a clear difference between being creative and being shameful, and we all must work to be the best we can be to use what we have to do all sorts of good. now let us move forward with grace and continue to just be ourselves!
Don’t count on Brandon Perna or Tom Grossi to speak out. They didn’t see anything wrong with that sideline reporter making up quotes. And they laughed at real journalists who were upset about it. Their take was awful unfortunately and I was seriously disappointed.
Well if they do I hope they do without 1) "Oh I'm smart than this guy" and 10 min self ego bloating 2) becoming Champion of Cause 3) spending 20min trashing someones quality while before saying that only reason was his plagarism.
Wikipedia, for the most part is a good source of information. But to just read from it word for word without any critical thinking or processing whatsoever is just such low effort, that I have no words for it
Also, I didn't realize this until hearing DG, but...Wikipedia articles weren't really meant to be read out loud, were they? They work as dry recaps but as TH-cam content they suck. The prose is stiff when TH-cam almost requires the content to be conversational and natural. Of course, DG has a horrible voice and a horrible manner of reading aloud--maybe James Earl Jones or Vin Scully could make these articles compelling when heard as opposed to read. But I doubt it.
@@pronkb000James Earl Jones could read the phone book and make it sound compelling. Vin Scully could’ve started reading an article about Allen wrenches and by the end of the third sentence he would’ve been rhapsodizing about the joys of helping his great-grandkids put together IKEA furniture. DG is just…lifeless.
I tend to use it to confirm a sports fact quickly, because I believe sports fans upkeep those articles in the first place and demand accuracy, so I can trust a quick fact. But it is definitely lazy to read from them verbatim.
@@fortynights1513 He was the one who got most of the broadside from HBomberguy's video that JG9 mentions at the start, and there was also another creator that had a video about him specifically ready to go. In response he's basically deleted his entire online presence
Unfortunately I don’t think DG will back down. It’s out in the open that he blatantly plagerizes, and yet he seems to not care. I mean, he has a bunch of attention now that he didn’t have before, and unfortunately there’s a lot of people that seem to be sticking by his side
I used to be a subscriber to his channel, and you highlight the reasons I left his channel long ago. Something seemed so off about DG. While I was subbed to his channel, i mostly saw stadium videos from him, but he couldn't even get basic facts right. For a while, I kept pointing things out in the comments that weren't correct, and there were followers that would defend his points, no matter how wrong. A lot of things were "I feel...". He could get the photos he used labeled wrong. I thought he sounded monotone, but I thought that was him having a naturally monotone voice, not realizing that he was just reading from articles (and poorly at that). Thank you for calling this out. He's nothing more than someone pumping out content doesn't for the purpose of making sure he gets seen in the algorithm and deserves to be exposed for it. You're right, his actions have impacts on sports TH-camrs that actually put in the work and produce quality, original content.
@@TheJimmyStDenisShowBoth presidents want you vaccinated but you are still picking sides? You are a real fucking expert. Enjoy Elon Musk as the next president.
@@TheJimmyStDenisShowBiden received the most votes in American history but has maybe 20 people at his really? Again you are a real fucking expert. Keep free thinking bud.
Thank you for your work on this video. I never did like DG's videos. He always sounded like he was reading from something and not a natural sounding delivery. Now it makes sense.
His videos are usually in the 10 min range.. I just check out his videos more for the entertainment value . DG is quite entertaining and hilarious . I can't front, he is one of a kind
JG9, if it comes down to a quality vs quantity battle, I would much rather one great video than 3 mediocre videos. You put out quality content and I think most of us really appreciate that. Same goes for Urinatingtree, KTO, Tom Grossi and so many other YT Sports Content Creators. I'm sorry the legacy of all you guys have to be dragged down by someone who thinks it is okay to plagiarize. I know you guys all value the time and effort you put into your work for our entertainment and we appreciate it.
But.....a long "quality video" actually hurts the channel from a monetary standpoint. This video could have been a series of shorter vids that focused on each topic, and not sacrificed quality.
@@whatlol_eyeah, because rubes like you don’t know you’re watching a recitation of a Wikipedia article. Plagiarism is not “working smarter”. Plagiarism is showing blatant disrespect for other creators’ work by claiming it as their own. That’s why copyright infringement laws exist.
I actually came across DG's channel through the algorithms because of some of his stadium reviews and sports stadiums being a big interest of mine. I ended up blocking the channel because even though I tend to be very lenient, some of the stuff he would say was too much even for me. That said, this video was well done and kept me engaged the whole time. I love your content - you should be very proud of what you've built here!
@@agent_of_cthulhu You don't know how Wikipedia works, do you? They don't have employees out there writing articles. It's not like the much better actual encyclopedias like World Book or Britannica that hires researchers and writers. Wikipedia is written by randoms for randoms. Wikipedia will actively remove content added by people with firsthand knowledge, be they scientists or the persons themselves (for articles on living persons). Much like DG, all Wikipedia's information comes from other unpaid people. And considering a whole host of Wikipedia information is plagiarized from various sources, it's hard for me to imagine them going after a relatively small TH-camr for reading their articles. writers*
I have no idea who this guy is, I was simply watching for you and I must say, you are a master orator. The way you seamlessly weave evidence into its own sort of story as the video progressed is quite impressive. Great work as always JG9!
Your dedication and hard work are unparalleled. Please let this sink in when I say I enjoy every video you put out so much. If your goal is to make one person's day, sleep easy my friend.
Kinda glad you made this JG9. Never knew how to explain my distaste for his channel, other that he had braindead takes constantly (without a hint of irony like Perna) and the guy just has an annoying voice.
And let me just add to your comment: COPY AND PASTING FROM WIKIPEDIA IS STILL PLAGIARISM, if for some reason you still don’t understand this after the video.
JG9 is a copyright expert that never took time to read professional sports ticket disclaimers? Designed to prevent leagues from getting sued. Why woild leagues worry about being sued? Because sports are fake that is why they make the same salary as actors.
I'm in his Discord (undercover), he said this: "I think he’s just completely misrepresenting my content. I’ve used Wikipedia in maybe 1% of my videos. Why would I have 78k subs just reading off of Wikipedia, the whole time? It is what it is." Bro's denying it lmaooooo
I'm not in the Discord (I haven't used Discord in ages), so I have no idea what's happening in there. But that's a hysterical denial, considering, well, *gestures broadly at everything*
I will say this. He’s definitely exaggerating, but a majority of his videos don’t consist of him reading articles. He’s definitely very guilty of it, and it’s well over 1% of his videos, but just simply scrolling his channel will show you that these stadium videos in which he plagiarizes are in the minority of his content overall. It’s just that he uploads so much that there’s a lot of those videos out there 😂
This is mostly true though. The videos that people are mad about only make up for like 20% of his content. Most of his stuff is opinionated/personal or reacting to events in sports. I think he just got super into the 9/11 and stadium niche and wanted to provide quick informational videos every once in a while. And people seem to love them.
Honestly if DG realized that what he was doing was wrong, and he wanted to change his content then I could respect him But any possible respect for him I had went down the toilet with his response to this scandal
Much love my brother unfortunately there will always be those guys no matter what community is relevant. I think that's a huge reason why guys like you have such fan bases. Just being genuine and speaking how you really feel, come to think of it in the sports world that's not to common. Keep doing what you are doing my friend, myself and your other viewers are here for a good reason.
This is literally the best video I have ever watched on TH-cam. A full comprehensive breakdown with a timeline, cited examples and everything! Great job as always
@@yesiagree3970 what kind of dumbass would watch his videos if they know he's plagiarizing word for word? I get not everyone will know, especially right away, but as more people become aware, his viewers will hopefully go down (or he will stop plagiarizing, although his responses seem to indicate that he will continue to do so.)
Wikipedia is a great resource. But if you're doing serious academic work, if you're going to use it, look at the sources the article uses and use THOSE sources (and make sure they say what Wikipedia says they say).
@pronkb000 Exactly. About 15 years ago, I had an internship fact-checking a peer-reviewed history journal, and I had to pore over each citation and make corrections and editorial recommendations to ensure each article was accurately cited. I can therefore appreciate JG9 and his due diligence to accuracy and academic integrity.
This is OUTSTANDING investigative journalism! I'm seriously impressed by the amount, depth and veracity of the research you've done on Depressed Ginger. You would have made a very formidable lawyer, in my honest opinion!
Great video, JG9! 👏👏👏👏 Indeed you did a lot of thorough research on cited sources and know the laws and rules about fair use and original content. After watching this video, I see a very different light and have a deeper respect to all the videos content holders like you and other credible YT people who are working long hours, perhaps a whole day, uploading new and original content with hard work. Keep up what you are doing. 👍 My respects, JG9.
This was really well put together and gets to the point A few months ago I would put on Depressed Ginger’s videos often as background noise, I noticed there was something with his voice that just sounded dull with not much character in the voice. Looking back it makes sense now looking that he literally reads off of Wikipedia or a News article
Thank you for bringing this to light. I'm a Michigan fan, and I find it hilarious that he covered their sign stealing scandal, and has been so critical of them and yet he's been essentially doing the same thing himself, but probably on a larger scale. What a douche.
This is the perfect video on how not to be a youtuber and always credit your sources. I'm currently in the process of making an informative vid about my passion (Urban Planning) and I usually rewatch parts of your vid to remind myself of what not to do when making content. So thank you JG9 for making this vid (and your NFL history content).
I’m a hockey guy so I don’t usually watch your channel but you did a great job. I’m glad these issues are being addressed by the big channels and the growing channels. Well put together and you’re pretty well spoken. I will be tuning in more ofteb
I think most viewers know which content creators are reading Wikipedia and which ones are journalists. I’ve subbed to you for a long time, and I have never even heard of the ginger guy.
I'm super tight with all 4 of those guys! Tree raided my stream the other night, and I've been on Dumpster Fire podcast with him and 5Point. Been on Tom Grossi's show twice and met him when he came to Phoenix for the 30 in 30 tour. Perna, Tree, and 5Point are in the same group chat I'm in (we have the same advertising agency) so we talk all the time. Love those guys to death
This explains A LOT about the Depressed Ginger videos. I have watched a couple of his videos about stadiums and have noticed him saying patently false information. This gave me the impression that these were very poorly researched videos.
Throughout this whole plagiarism arc that TH-cam has seemed to be on lately, I have felt this very odd mixture of anger and relief. On the one hand I'm obviously unbelievably mad that not only did these people disrespect the other creators, but us as viewers since they view us so lowly that they think we'll eat up essentially beyond worthless slop copy pasted from Wikipedia. However, on the other hand, there is like a sense of relief since as someone personally looking to possibly start making content, one of my biggest hang ups was being nervous about the research I was doing not being enough, or that the worrying I would do over potential scripts simply meant I wasn't cut out to make something. But alas, those things didn't mean I wasn't worthy of it, but that my ethics and what I wanted to make was so far above not only what DG does, but channels magnitudes larger than his do who have also been caught plagiarizing. It's motivated me more to know that whatever I end up making will have infinitely more value than anything and everything DG has made or ever will make using his strategy
Literally, all Ginger has to do is credit sources when he either quotes or paraphrases; add his own commentary with his own thoughts or ideas. Then acknowledge when he gets something wrong.
The instant I heard this guy’s voice and the fact he was a crypto bro….yeah, he is a tool. Thanks for the exposure, I at least know to avoid his nonsense in the future. As for my take on the Freedom Bowl, the bowl died because my school absolutely stunk that game up. Arizona sank the Freedom Bowl, well take the bullet for that. 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t know regardless of this he’s entertaining and has good political videos. He has a good personality. Watching videos that are too serious with no edge can be boring
It's great to see that Hbomberguy's video about plagiarism caused rippled effects across all communities of TH-cam. I'm glad that the issue of plagiarism is finally getting the spotlight that it needs. It's a great development to see in real time. Wild to imagine the push and pull that video had.
And hey...uncovering plagiarism seems to have the double bonus of cleaning up the TH-cam space as well as generating clicks, engagement, and revenue. Looking forward to lots and lots more folks organically finding the plagerists in their space and calling those mfn POSs and posting reciepts. I will keep watching these.
By my understanding most good TH-cam creators actually do use a script for pre-recorded videos because it keeps things on topic and concise, but the key is they tend to be the ones who wrote the script, and so it's their own words which means they can read it and still sound like themselves and not a robot.
DG is pretty young ( I'm twice his age at 46) and has definitely some things to learn about said content before producing his videos .. However.. For a young guy, plagiarism or not he's wildly entertaining, super charismatic and quite funny.. His habitual gaffes actually make the content even more hilarious 😂.. Just take him for the entertainment value. His charisma, candor and unique vibe is why his views just keep on growing. I think he will be at 500k by 2025
A few people in my stream today alerted me to a video he put out yesterday where he literally commits crimes on the road and films himself while driving and getting angry at other drivers obeying the speed limit. The entertainment value aspect goes out the door when he’s legitimately putting people in danger on the road
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I hear that my Man.. On a 1 to 10 rating scale, how funny/entertaining would you say DG content is though.. ?? All in all, I would have to say an 8.5/9! The stock photos for some reason always have me dying, along with the candor.
I'm even older than you at 62, and had no idea he plagiarized until I stumbled upon this video. You are right he is charismatic and pretty funny and he's well on his way towards 500K subscribers (he's currently at 146K). It's odd that he covers so many topics like 9/11, football, politics, etc. I've been watching his videos on TH-cam about politics and he seems to now identify the source that's giving him the content. I think people have pointed out to him about copying others' content, and he seems to be better at giving credit to the content creator. It's hard to believe he barely got through high school. He has lately complained about TH-cam not monetizing a lot of his 9/11 videos. Supposedly, I guess TH-cam feels no company wants to sponsor ads on some of his 9/11 videos and he's upset that he's not making money on them. So, not everything is perfect in his world, despite his channel doing very well.
My day began with the hbomberguy video and it ended with yours. Thank you both for taking a stand against this. I am working on creating some sports content myself for TH-cam and this very issue concerns me deeply. If you ever had a few minutes, I would love to speak with you to pick your brain. The kind of content I want to make is something I am very passionate about and don't want to be derailed. Thanks again.
Depressed Ginger decided to ban me from his livestreams on November 19, 2023 for no reason. DO NOT WATCH HIS LIVESTREAMS! He is inconsiderate in his livestreams. Depressed Ginger even destroyed my knowledge on sports and stadiums.
Based on the impressive amounts of evidence you produced and the case you made I have just one question for you sir. Are you sure you don't want to become a lawyer because I think you would make a damn good one sir. Job well done!!
This TH-cam star is in his mid 20s stealing research other people have done without crediting them and reading it off Wikipedia verbatim. This is really sad and his response makes it so much worse. Wow
As someone who makes long form content that TAKES FOREVER TO COMB OVER all kinds of sources to make an interesting video, the "wiki" readers who pump out non stop crap kills me. I literally put out a comprehensive 8 hr Adam Sandler Movie ranking vid recently, It took forever and I spent months in what I called the "Sandler Vortex" just to have interesting things to say and share with people. And the elitism that anyone with less subscribers isn't worth listening to is ridiculous, Sometimes youtube's algorithm just never hits and that doesn't make anyone without the views work any less. Anyway, Keep up the good work on this channel and please for the love of god do a Drew Henson vid.
I used to watch his videos. After awhile I found his delivery too monotone and boring, so I stopped watching. I didn’t realize he was directly ripping off Wikipedia. I have written and helped edited several Wikipedia articles, including one about a baseball stadium that I used to work at. I don't even know how to feel about it. I hope he stops and acknowledges his mistakes, but I doubt he will. Keep up the good work JG9, your videos are a daily watch while I'm on my lunch break.
Dudes videos are so low effort in 99 percent convinced that he does all his videos in one take. Seeing as how he said "i think" a lot in his videos when refering to factual information. Its very telling when you cant take five seconds too look something up that you arent sure.
So its funny, pretty ,much every sports YT channel you have identified as hard working, above board I have come across and subscribed, but I remember around a month ago coming across a few Depressed Ginger videos and really not enjoying them at all to the point I told YT not to recommend his channel. I now see why he rubbed me the wrong way.
Yeah, I had watched the bowl game one the other day (I thought, though I see it's more recent, so maybe it's a re-upload? Anyway...) and found it bizarre that the Cherry Bowl didn't get so much as a mention. I also noticed the Mideast/Midwest shift in the Grantland Rice Bowl segment but didn't think much of it. Good on JG9 for bringing this to light.
I was going into this and was expecting to see someone stealing other TH-cam creator's content, not just a blatant regurgitation of Wikipedia articles. This is unreal.
Thank you JG9 for making this video, not only to call out one person who blatantly takes part in this BS, but also as a warning to others who hopefully take more caution in the production of their material. My dislike of Depressed Ginger arose when he would often mispronounce names of notable stadiums that most sports fans should know, whether they have a successful TH-cam channel or not. In my opinion, that’s one of many indicators as to how much he actually cares about his craft. JG9, thank you for making this. This applies to more than just sports fans on TH-cam.
Patrick should apply to be a wikipedia audiobook reader for their pages related to sports, lol. But in all seriousness, thank you so much for making this video. This guy is clearly a fraud, a plagiarizer and has no credentials to engage in what he does. I realized something was fishy when he started to make videos on the Montreal Expos, because he would overlook facts, and I recommended him to read the book up, up and away by Jonah Keri, which I bet he doesn’t know even exists. But then he would make later videos, and add more info not previously included in prior Expos videos. Thanks for all you do Jaguar gator, and hopefully more people become aware of this liar.
I burst out laughing when DG hammed up Tottenham Hotspur F.C.'s name at Timeham Hotsboro. Seriously, though, while I don't use TH-cam to put out sports-related content, I used my now-defunct Twitter feed to post FA Cup picks. One feed I drew upon, the FA Cup Factfile, had a ton of stats on past histories for each matchup in the Cup. I always made it a point of emphasis to cite said feed for data to back up my picks, usually with the phrasing "per FA Cup Factfile." In due course, the guy who ran the feed praised me for citing my sources, which he would never have done had I just posted the data without attribution.
Depressed Ginger and those who quote wiki pages deserve criticism for their plagiarism. Not to defend anyone, but I will say that some have argued that TH-cam’s algorithm encourages people to upload content as often as possible in a format of videos that is barely long enough to qualify for ads in bulk. The plagiarists plagarized, and they may have done so to try to get as much money with as little effort as possible, and the algorithms may be encouraging it.
Oh god no Tom Grossi is an angel and I love that man. Been on his show twice and saw him on the 30 in 30 tour in Phoenix. He's got a heart of gold and deserves everything good that he gets in this world. His work was actually a huge inspiration for why I wanted to create a channel Like I said at the start, 99% of this community is absolutely amazing, and we're super tight with each other and close-knit
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 oh that’s awesome. I only knew of Tom because I found Perna back when he was just ThatsGoodBroncos and been following him throughout the years. I’m happy you made a channel. That algorithm led me to you haha. I love the weird and obscure things you make at times. Really good content. I also love the strategy ones you make about why a punt/timeout etc was reallly bad. Keep it up !
I'm so happy I found this video lol. I came across his channel due to his sports predictions videos and it became very clear how full of it he was so it turned into me hate watching him. I've only ever watched his sports related videos, but even then, something always felt off about his videos. Even when trying to make predictions throughout an entire season, he would give very minimal details for someone who had been making predictions for that specific sport's entire season.
Are we not gonna talk about using a picture of the Flordia Panthers arena for a HOCKEY team while talking to retractable dome stadiums. Maybe I'm missing the context, just strikes as odd.
If it’s what I think you’re referring to, he was talking about tropical domes, not retractable domes. So he means domes in tropical locations Which is why bringing up Footprint Center in Phoenix, a desert, makes no sense
Even before I found out he was stealing from people, he didn't sound confident in what he said in his videos and was dead wrong about a lot of things. Thank you for being authentic and informative and pouring everything you have into your content; it shows and has done so as long as I have watched and now subscribed. Keep doing your thing and creating quality content that we all enjoy.
The worst part about a lot of these examples is that they're in compilation videos!! No one cares if you didn't do a lot of your own research or whatever, if he just credited them in the video, and said "here's a good article about (such and such) that I used to learn about this, go read it if you wanna learn in depth about it" before moving on to the next topic no one would care!!
It's clear who goes above and beyond versus who doesn't. You and UrinatingTree are two of the best at this. Tree getting most of the details correct on the laptops (and featured a very rare Compaq Contura) in his 92 Ottawa Senators video is something that will always stick out to me.
Thank you for making this video. I’m just seeing this video for the first time, but I’ve had suspicions about this guy for a while. He’s made some asinine claims on his college basketball posts, that don’t hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. He never responds to my comments where I push back on his claims with data and logic. His analysis, if you can call it that, seems like someone reading off of index cards.
This is very well done! As a stadium nerd myself, I found his content interesting at first but something wasn’t quite right about him. He’s always so monotone and now I can see why as he just constantly reads off of Wikipedia. He also is constantly critiquing all of these sports venues but does he have any credibility when talking about them? I’ll bet he hasn’t been to 99.9% of the places he critiques.
I know in the videos I watched of his while doing research that he has not been to a single one of these stadiums outside of the ones in Cleveland (and PNC Park for some reason)
Looking at the comments, it seems like this video hit a nerve with some DG fans but it is what it is. If you were to copy and paste a Wikipedia article word for word in a high school project, you’d get an F. In college the punishment is even more severe. Good on you for calling it out. Keep it up :D
im a fan of both channels and i see this video as highly unnessecary at worst and plain weird to watch at best i dont see how reading off existing sources is a problem Sports youtubers that make videos in a similar fashion to ginger, and including ginger are channels that make videos for the specific purpose of conveying information and obviously where are you gonna go to get that information, thats right online! You dont need to "reword" any of that, its already known and available claiming that reading off sentences is copyright infringement is outright rediculous not to mention several personal attacks against ginger in this video too videos like this are what give some sportstubers a bad name and has no place in this community i do agree with your comment but we arent in an office in some 20 story building nor are we in college or school or anywhere like that, were making videos to educate, inform, and perhaps entertain the seeing eye
@@whatlol_e You both would NOT make good TH-camrs or students. Plagiarism is not only bad but it can also be a crime. Both of you supporting plagiarism is disgusting. Plagiarism is the very reason why Chat GBT is banned for use in schools as that is all it does. It is a plagiarism bot.
@@thephoenixxm4160 Boo hoo about it if plagiarism is such a massive deal here then why havent any of the sources hes took from filed claims yet? its an 8 minute youtube video not 2 hour long documentary. viewers are and should be expected to do their own research, as is the case with all forms of news articles or just about anything meant to be informative. also everyone looks at or uses wikipedia, so unless he is taking specifically from individual articles and peices then whats the big deal? wikipedia is made of information that can be modified and edited at the click of your mouse. its not always accurate but thats his loss. so really the issue here should be that DG is spreading misinformation in his videos but i digress.
Low-effort grifters reading off wikipedia in a monotone voice for 10 minutes are worse than spiking the ball into the ground on every single play!
😂😂😂😂
@@jackmessick2869what’s funny? The fact that I have 79,000 times more subscribers than you? Yeah that’s pretty funny 😂😂😂
@@DeppressedGinger "@jackmessick2869 what's funny? The fact
that I have 79,000 times more subscribers than
you? Yeah that's pretty funny"
@@DeppressedGingerI'm sorry that jaguar is saying this bs. I love and respect you DG
@@DeppressedGinger You know what's funny, your ai generated voice
I watched Depressed Ginger for maybe a month or two. IDK how I lasted that long before I realized he's a hack. Plagiarism. Not even once.
I just felt he was an idiot, but yeah, I watched some of his stuff for that long, also, before stopping.
Yeah, I got annoyed with him when he got facts wrong that I didn’t even have to look up on Wikipedia because I have an annoyingly good memory when it comes to sports. OTOH, I forgot my parents anniversary this past weekend.
@@crowtservoOne could argue that the only original content here is Depressed Ginger’s narrative voice.
The only reason I was ever subscribed to him was to chat in his livestream once or twice because he restricted it. As soon as he runs into a team you know, it's really easy to see he either has a very superficial understanding (explained perfectly by Wiki plagiarism) or just gets random things wrong (also explained perfectly by Wiki plagiarism).
Folks, don't use Wikipedia unless you're trying to find other sources via citations. Even if it's right 99% of the time (at best), it's still wrong at least 1% of the time. I've noticed that (unsurprisingly) team pages and rivalry pages are ESPECIALLY slanted towards whichever team has more fans that edit (like Clemson fans). If the series record is 35-10, they'll act like the team that lost 35 of 45 games is still on equal footing somehow. "Neutral point of view" my rear.
@@crowtservo his Fanbase is the worst
This is one of the most impressive videos I've ever seen. It's rare to see someone stand up for facts and truth and against those who abuse them.
Well done, my friend.
Hear, bloody hear!
So impressive that someone who doesn't make their own content (using NFL videos) has a problem with someone creating their own content?
@@collegefootballpicks2972 So all the analysis that JG9 adds to the videos he shows isn't content? In particular original content? That's absurd.
@@MichaelPizdoes he own the NFL? Does DG own wikipedia? JG9 knows so much about copyright but is somehow unable to read an NFL ticket that says ''Football entertainment'' just like how WWE tickets said ''Wrestling entertainment'' Yeah what a fucking expert.
@@collegefootballpicks2972 Learn how the long-standing legal doctrine of Fair Use works. None of what you're saying has anything to do with the issue at hand.
Rather recently, a rather small NHL goal horn channel called Elite Goal Horns had to quit because his work got taken by some criminals in Sweden. YT took the plagiarists side, and Elite began speaking out against TH-cam about it.
As a hockey fan, I loved that channel
@@danmount9462same was subbed for so long
TH-cam has no clue.
I’m not surprised. Social media gives you a list of rules and then allows people to violate them. Facebook, TH-cam and Yahoo are the worst offenders. But they censor one side of the political aisle while they let the other side violate the rules regardless of the platform or subject..
It’s not the rule. It’s the hypocrisy I hate.
@@BHV0810I think their process for deciding these things is automated. Ridiculous.
Hearing you mention Todd in the Shadows is a crossover of my interests that I was not expecting
One of my all time favorite channels. Been watching him for over 11 years now
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 That's about the same for me as well!
@@OfficialJaguarGator9I hate the fake people on here who copy n paste
That's just messed up and unethical n I THANK YOU for calling the LIARS out
@@OfficialJaguarGator9dam I haven't seen a plagiarist n cheater this big SINCE TODD ROGERS n Billy Mitchell back in the 90s
My older brother was a professor and had the dumbest case of plagiarism of all time. I will tell you what the note on the essay said. "This is really good writing. I should know because I wrote it. I will meet with you in my office after class."
Depressed Ginger gives me the impression he's one of those people who if he told you a blatant lie, and you provide him with the facts that prove him wrong, will never apologize and will just say "oh well, agree to disagree", and that's the most you're ever getting out of him.
Just edit the wikipedia article, he'll believe it.
that would be a crazy prank if you knew what he was doing vids on next. Holy shit. lol@@thegoldfly1
Literally what jsg9 does , do you guys not see that?
@@david-468 do you have an example of him having a specific fact wrong where he did that? Not an opinion, but a fact. I honestly can't think of one, as his videos seem very thoroughly researched, but I'd be open to seeing proof to the contrary
in what way? Im curious@@david-468
If you told me that the entirety of Depressed Ginger's channel was AI generated I'd totally buy it
But no, turns out it's just normal human laziness and greed 😂
I stopped watching him when he started dumb political rants. Then the titanic bs...
@@jbj7599 he stopped doing politics like a year ago
The effort that JG9 put into finding the plagiarized work is incredible compared to this ginger's "videomaking." A damn shame that the ginger has even one subscriber.
He probably doesn't even contribute to Wikipedia. Talk about being a slave.
he's gonna have some real competition in the coming years. Why would people spend time on him specifically when there are gonna be 100's of ai channels doing the same thing which as much character?
Besides the obvious plagiarism problem, this is also a good lesson in media literacy. If you watch a content creator whose content is dependent on factual statements(history, science, etc) and they don't probably display their sources or their source is straight up Wikipedia, you shouldn't trust that creator's content.
Because the originally cited articles were definitely correct at the time, right? Just like the reporting on Ty Cobb. Oh wait... that was all made up by an evil lying thief who was hoping to steal and reframe Cobb's life for his own profit.
Just because something was published doesn't mean it's a fact, and often times media outlets will completely contradict prior stories they've published and never address which is actual fact.
I think what's most ironic about this is he's plagiarizing Wikipedia. Great job of researching this, you brought more than enough receipts.
Cardinal rule at college: never ever cite Wikipedia in your article. Any Tom dick and Harry can edit Wikipedia and claim it as gospel
I’m 37 minutes in right now, and I’m really enjoying the amount of work you put into this, man. I couldn’t wait to comment
I had to stop 15 minutes in when he decided he needed to let me know his stance on people announcing which genitals they like putting in their mouths before stating even a single act of plagiarism. Why he couldn't at least get to the point before jamming in his politics is beyond me.
@@kenfresno2125 sounds like an attention span issue if you weren’t even able to watch through the first section
@@owenguindonI don't care to watch creators who force their politics into videos that have absolutely nothing to do with politics.
@@kenfresno2125 plagiarism and stealing are both involved in politics.. not sure what you’re getting at
When I heard the politics part, I agree, I didn’t like it. So instead of crying about it, I decided to just skip that part
I never watched Depressed Ginger but his delivery of what he was reading (plagiarizing) is easily a telltale sign since it seems he’s almost unfamiliar with what he’s reading. I literally screamed at my phone “a period means you pause…you don’t just run on the next sentence!” So many unnatural breaks in sentences…if you’re gonna steal at least rehearse the damn thing first! Just no effort. Both he and Somerton just seem bored reading what they stole…”gotta get through this to appease the algorithmic gods!” I guess the public service announcement here is…if the commentator on your TH-cam video seems extremely bored when conveying information just stop and plug a sentence from the video into Google and see what pops up.
he literally sounds like he got picked to read in class lmao
I knew it sounded like he was just reading it, but I kinda just assumed he was reading his own script.Also I assumed the delivery was just part of the channels "depressed" thing. I thought it was just the style he was going for. I did notice his videos similarity to some of Forgotten Places vidoes. That's been a channel I've watched for a long time
Is reading off Wikipedia rlly plagiarism unless you copy , tho? I thought it’s a explained as
@@louieo.blevinsmusic4197yeah. It is.
@@louieo.blevinsmusic4197 Copyright violation is a legal concern. It's legal to copy Wikipedia (under certain conditions: notably, your work based on Wikipedia must be under the same license, allowing people to copy you; also, you must give attribution to your sources).
Plagiarism is not a legal issue: it's an ethical one. It's about passing off other people's work as your own.
Copying Wikipedia without attribution is both copyright violation *and* plagiarism.
I've probably been doing this as long as you've been alive. I'm 50 and have been in print journalism, mostly doing sports, since 1993. Getting in front of the camera really doesn't work for me because my voice is so deep it sounds awful on video. But like you, I've dedicated my life to this profession and earned my living doing it. And also, like you, I resent the hell out of it when someone gets into this business, whether it be print, TV, or online, and cuts corners. Plagiarism steals money from the original content creator and it reflects badly on everyone in the business.
I follow your stuff because you're entertaining and also provide good information, and I know you work hard on it. I did catch a mistake once on a video that involved the 1971 Michigan football team and its rushing attack, where you didn't know that Oklahoma set the national single-season record that same season and it still stands. But that's the only time, and big deal (I remember it because it's the only time you missed something important!). I tell people I have 300 things to get done every week to provide content to my readers, and if I get 298 of them done and on-spot, that's a victory.
It takes courage to take a stand against someone like this, especially someone as popular as he seems to be. But anyone trying to make an honest living as a content creator of any kind should stand with you on it. And I do.
The real lesson: Never get on JaguarGator’s bad side or he WILL bring receipts.
Wish he could have got to them before forcing in his politics. If you insist on putting that garbage in a video, at least maybe show one singular act of plagiarism before letting me know you're on the "right side of history". Now I have zero interest in seeing any of his evidence, because I know it's born from bias. He didn't make this video because he realized this guy was copying videos. He heard his politics and looked for a way to cancel him. That's made obvious because, again, he mentioned this guy's politics before ever telling me about anything he stole.
Ya, I agree that was a dumb move by Gator. However I really don’t think he made this video to hate on DGs politics. That’s a lot of work, making an almost 2 hour long video, to simply bash the guys politics for 5 minutes. I just skipped that part. Every single person has a bias in this world on everything. If you don’t like it then just skip past it like I did
@@kenfresno2125 That’s hilarious. You just admitted that you’re so biased you refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees with you because you’re convinced that they’re biased and deserve to be cancelled. The only “politics” in this video was him pointing out that this guy is a moron for not knowing that Elon Musk can’t be president; which is just a statement of fact and not political. But you guys make everything political and assume we’re doing it to you because you’re so political.
And what’s funny is that I thought Jaguar made a mistake by doing mentioning any of that because it’d offend all the rightwing snowflakes who pretend they’re tough yet freak out the moment someone says anything they disagree with. Thanks for proving me right.
@@DoctorBiobrain I think you should toss his salad. You sound like that kind of guy that loves that.
@@forevertj I don’t even know what that means. Are you trying to make a gay joke? You know, the 1980’s was a long time ago. The only people who think that’s an insult are just exposing their insecurities.
I honestly saw Depressed Ginger’s content in the past few months due to my interest in the NFL as of late, mostly his predictions, and I didn’t know he not only had quite a mouth on him but he’s a blatant plagiarist who’s lucky the CEO of YT is too inept to stop him. I, thankfully, haven’t really watch his content outside of the predictions as I saw they were boring, and you bet I’m not touching anything on his channel ever again after this. This video was a honestly pretty sobering watch and was well-made, too. I aways enjoyed your content and the research you put into it. Keep up the great work! ❤️
I came across his content for NFL predictions too. It's funny because even when he's making up his predictions, he usually just goes by 2 or 3 certain analytics and provides zero detail beyond "x team looks good when it comes to analytics"
after looking in and watching all of this, i really hope that all other sports content creators (utree, five points, tom grossi, brandon perna, etc.) call this behavior out. especially in a very tight community like this, one bad actor turns all of us bad. there is a clear difference between being creative and being shameful, and we all must work to be the best we can be to use what we have to do all sorts of good. now let us move forward with grace and continue to just be ourselves!
Don’t count on Brandon Perna or Tom Grossi to speak out. They didn’t see anything wrong with that sideline reporter making up quotes. And they laughed at real journalists who were upset about it. Their take was awful unfortunately and I was seriously disappointed.
What sideline reporter? I haven’t heard about this yet, but now I want to know more. What should I search for?
Well if they do I hope they do without 1) "Oh I'm smart than this guy" and 10 min self ego bloating 2) becoming Champion of Cause 3) spending 20min trashing someones quality while before saying that only reason was his plagarism.
@@samplautz5586Charissa Thompson admitted to making up stories during her days as a sideline reporter.
Wikipedia, for the most part is a good source of information. But to just read from it word for word without any critical thinking or processing whatsoever is just such low effort, that I have no words for it
Also, I didn't realize this until hearing DG, but...Wikipedia articles weren't really meant to be read out loud, were they? They work as dry recaps but as TH-cam content they suck. The prose is stiff when TH-cam almost requires the content to be conversational and natural. Of course, DG has a horrible voice and a horrible manner of reading aloud--maybe James Earl Jones or Vin Scully could make these articles compelling when heard as opposed to read. But I doubt it.
@@pronkb000James Earl Jones could read the phone book and make it sound compelling. Vin Scully could’ve started reading an article about Allen wrenches and by the end of the third sentence he would’ve been rhapsodizing about the joys of helping his great-grandkids put together IKEA furniture.
DG is just…lifeless.
@@clydemiller4776^This!!!!!
He also reads it so poorly and in a boring fashion.
I tend to use it to confirm a sports fact quickly, because I believe sports fans upkeep those articles in the first place and demand accuracy, so I can trust a quick fact. But it is definitely lazy to read from them verbatim.
I didn't think that anyone could possibly be more fraudulent than Sam Bankman-Fried, but Depressed Ginger might be that guy.
Look up James Somerton. At least while you still can lol.
@@EdBurke37I typed that name in, and I saw a channel that had 263,000 subs, a verification checkmark, and no videos.
Who is that and what happened?
So JG9 using NFL content is okay but DG can't use Wikipedia content? The Reichstag burned down 80 years ago pal get over your nazism.
@@fortynights1513 He was the one who got most of the broadside from HBomberguy's video that JG9 mentions at the start, and there was also another creator that had a video about him specifically ready to go. In response he's basically deleted his entire online presence
Unfortunately I don’t think DG will back down. It’s out in the open that he blatantly plagerizes, and yet he seems to not care. I mean, he has a bunch of attention now that he didn’t have before, and unfortunately there’s a lot of people that seem to be sticking by his side
Thank you for the shoutout. You also did thousands of people a huge favor by making this video.
Love ya man
I used to be a subscriber to his channel, and you highlight the reasons I left his channel long ago.
Something seemed so off about DG. While I was subbed to his channel, i mostly saw stadium videos from him, but he couldn't even get basic facts right. For a while, I kept pointing things out in the comments that weren't correct, and there were followers that would defend his points, no matter how wrong. A lot of things were "I feel...". He could get the photos he used labeled wrong. I thought he sounded monotone, but I thought that was him having a naturally monotone voice, not realizing that he was just reading from articles (and poorly at that).
Thank you for calling this out. He's nothing more than someone pumping out content doesn't for the purpose of making sure he gets seen in the algorithm and deserves to be exposed for it. You're right, his actions have impacts on sports TH-camrs that actually put in the work and produce quality, original content.
I always knew something was off about Depressed Ginger, but I didn't know what. Thanks to you and this documentary, now I know.
The fact that he wants Trump back as president yes
@@TheJimmyStDenisShowBoth presidents want you vaccinated but you are still picking sides? You are a real fucking expert. Enjoy Elon Musk as the next president.
@@TheJimmyStDenisShowBiden received the most votes in American history but has maybe 20 people at his really? Again you are a real fucking expert. Keep free thinking bud.
Thank you for your work on this video. I never did like DG's videos. He always sounded like he was reading from something and not a natural sounding delivery. Now it makes sense.
And Mr C+ there can't read well, either.
@@MichaelPiz yeah. He kinda ignores grammar rules and delivers in monotone.
Plagiarism aside, really there are idiots that go watch this guy read Wikipedia for an hour?
His videos are usually in the 10 min range..
I just check out his videos more for the entertainment value . DG is quite entertaining and hilarious . I can't front, he is one of a kind
JG9, if it comes down to a quality vs quantity battle, I would much rather one great video than 3 mediocre videos. You put out quality content and I think most of us really appreciate that. Same goes for Urinatingtree, KTO, Tom Grossi and so many other YT Sports Content Creators. I'm sorry the legacy of all you guys have to be dragged down by someone who thinks it is okay to plagiarize. I know you guys all value the time and effort you put into your work for our entertainment and we appreciate it.
But.....a long "quality video" actually hurts the channel from a monetary standpoint. This video could have been a series of shorter vids that focused on each topic, and not sacrificed quality.
@@Freeflier1978and you could just as easily have not said anything, yet here we are.
work smarter not harder. theres a reason dg has 30k more subs than jg9
@@whatlol_eyeah, because rubes like you don’t know you’re watching a recitation of a Wikipedia article.
Plagiarism is not “working smarter”. Plagiarism is showing blatant disrespect for other creators’ work by claiming it as their own.
That’s why copyright infringement laws exist.
I actually came across DG's channel through the algorithms because of some of his stadium reviews and sports stadiums being a big interest of mine. I ended up blocking the channel because even though I tend to be very lenient, some of the stuff he would say was too much even for me.
That said, this video was well done and kept me engaged the whole time. I love your content - you should be very proud of what you've built here!
This was a great wikipedia lesson. They really should pay him for the free promotion 🤣
I mean you can read Wikipedia articles for the website
Honestly Depressed Ginger should actually do that, I mean he is already good at it
@@banjoplayingbison2275nah, he's really not lol. Dude doesn't know how to end a sentence.
after seeing this, i wouldn't be surprised if wikipedia takes legal action against depressed ginger
@@eymannreport4177 I know, right? All that money he made should go to them, or at least the writer's of the articles.
@@agent_of_cthulhu You don't know how Wikipedia works, do you? They don't have employees out there writing articles. It's not like the much better actual encyclopedias like World Book or Britannica that hires researchers and writers. Wikipedia is written by randoms for randoms. Wikipedia will actively remove content added by people with firsthand knowledge, be they scientists or the persons themselves (for articles on living persons). Much like DG, all Wikipedia's information comes from other unpaid people.
And considering a whole host of Wikipedia information is plagiarized from various sources, it's hard for me to imagine them going after a relatively small TH-camr for reading their articles.
writers*
DG looks like the long-lost evil twin of Tom Grossi.
So… Christian Grossi? (For context, that’s Tom’s red headed brother)
I was afraid it was Tom.
"Twinkleham Stadium" and "Tottenham Hotsporo" -- how can you mess reading those names up? There's nothing complicated about them
I have no idea who this guy is, I was simply watching for you and I must say, you are a master orator. The way you seamlessly weave evidence into its own sort of story as the video progressed is quite impressive. Great work as always JG9!
Your dedication and hard work are unparalleled. Please let this sink in when I say I enjoy every video you put out so much. If your goal is to make one person's day, sleep easy my friend.
Making documentary style video like this one and the eagles moving to phoenix are videos i always love.
I just can't get over his intonation, it's like he doesn't know how long each sentence is before he starts saying it
Like sometimes he creates imaginary periods in the middle of words, and sometimes he completely ignores them and creates a run on sentence.
Don’t be dissing my nigga dawg. He wouldn’t do you or anyone else like that. Rather he reads Wikipedia or not, he still works for his subscribers.
Reading off of Wekipedia doesn’t make you look good. There’s better channels out there than gingerbread man
Saying "Elon Musk is loved by everyone" ends one's credibility instantaneously.
Elon sucks
Yeah lmao right
I like him and I don’t see why everyone doesn’t think just like me…
@@TheJimmyStDenisShowSo do you
@@mizer9510a man that hates their own child over THEIR choices is no man. That is a fucking coward.
Kinda glad you made this JG9. Never knew how to explain my distaste for his channel, other that he had braindead takes constantly (without a hint of irony like Perna) and the guy just has an annoying voice.
If for some reason you still don’t understand this after the video, COPY AND PASTING FROM WIKIPEDIA IS STILL PLAGIARISM
And let me just add to your comment: COPY AND PASTING FROM WIKIPEDIA IS STILL PLAGIARISM, if for some reason you still don’t understand this after the video.
Haven't watched in a while, wasn't gonna miss this.
As somebody who was born in Arizona, and lived in Arizona my entire life, not even the colder, forested parts of Northern Arizona are tropical
I live next doors in New Mexico
You know I wonder if DG is one of those idiots that doesn’t think we are a US state 😂
I think he thinks that "tropical" is another word for "hot."
JG9 is a copyright expert that never took time to read professional sports ticket disclaimers? Designed to prevent leagues from getting sued. Why woild leagues worry about being sued? Because sports are fake that is why they make the same salary as actors.
I'm in his Discord (undercover), he said this:
"I think he’s just completely misrepresenting my content. I’ve used Wikipedia in maybe 1% of my videos. Why would I have 78k subs just reading off of Wikipedia, the whole time? It is what it is."
Bro's denying it lmaooooo
I'm not in the Discord (I haven't used Discord in ages), so I have no idea what's happening in there. But that's a hysterical denial, considering, well, *gestures broadly at everything*
I will say this. He’s definitely exaggerating, but a majority of his videos don’t consist of him reading articles. He’s definitely very guilty of it, and it’s well over 1% of his videos, but just simply scrolling his channel will show you that these stadium videos in which he plagiarizes are in the minority of his content overall. It’s just that he uploads so much that there’s a lot of those videos out there 😂
This is mostly true though. The videos that people are mad about only make up for like 20% of his content. Most of his stuff is opinionated/personal or reacting to events in sports. I think he just got super into the 9/11 and stadium niche and wanted to provide quick informational videos every once in a while. And people seem to love them.
Honestly if DG realized that what he was doing was wrong, and he wanted to change his content then I could respect him
But any possible respect for him I had went down the toilet with his response to this scandal
You’re telling me I can make 5 figures a month easily by ripping content straight from Wikipedia?? Time to drop out of law school!
Much love my brother unfortunately there will always be those guys no matter what community is relevant. I think that's a huge reason why guys like you have such fan bases. Just being genuine and speaking how you really feel, come to think of it in the sports world that's not to common.
Keep doing what you are doing my friend, myself and your other viewers are here for a good reason.
This is literally the best video I have ever watched on TH-cam. A full comprehensive breakdown with a timeline, cited examples and everything! Great job as always
First Maddox posts a 2 3/4 hour video defending his content, now this. Tis the season for videos that have the receipts. Well done as always.
Fa la la la, La la la! 🎶🎵🎼
Ginger about to be reeeaaallly depressed now…
He doesn't care about this drama one bit, it won't affect him at all
@@yesiagree3970 what kind of dumbass would watch his videos if they know he's plagiarizing word for word? I get not everyone will know, especially right away, but as more people become aware, his viewers will hopefully go down (or he will stop plagiarizing, although his responses seem to indicate that he will continue to do so.)
@@yesiagree3970 Oh no, it will affect him, Ginger Bread Man just won't admit it.
@@TehJew22oh it will affect him? well nothing has happened yet 🤡
@@TehJew22we are still waiting when will it affect him
My teachers told me to never plagiarize and never copy off Wikipedia. I went to better schools than Depressed Ginger
I had a professor in college who would gleefully dock points if you used Wikipedia as a source.
Wikipedia is a great resource. But if you're doing serious academic work, if you're going to use it, look at the sources the article uses and use THOSE sources (and make sure they say what Wikipedia says they say).
@pronkb000 Exactly. About 15 years ago, I had an internship fact-checking a peer-reviewed history journal, and I had to pore over each citation and make corrections and editorial recommendations to ensure each article was accurately cited. I can therefore appreciate JG9 and his due diligence to accuracy and academic integrity.
That's what I was told, and at the latest that was 15 years ago. Citing something that anybody can change is a terrible idea.
Say it to his face then get punched in the mouth. See how big you are then.
This is OUTSTANDING investigative journalism! I'm seriously impressed by the amount, depth and veracity of the research you've done on Depressed Ginger. You would have made a very formidable lawyer, in my honest opinion!
I’ve been saying this ever since I came across depressed ginger. You spoke to it much better than I ever could
Most of his college bowl “projection/prediction” videos are just him reading off articles with other authors making projectons
Great video, JG9! 👏👏👏👏
Indeed you did a lot of thorough research on cited sources and know the laws and rules about fair use and original content.
After watching this video, I see a very different light and have a deeper respect to all the videos content holders like you and other credible YT people who are working long hours, perhaps a whole day, uploading new and original content with hard work.
Keep up what you are doing. 👍
My respects, JG9.
This was really well put together and gets to the point
A few months ago I would put on Depressed Ginger’s videos often as background noise, I noticed there was something with his voice that just sounded dull with not much character in the voice.
Looking back it makes sense now looking that he literally reads off of Wikipedia or a News article
Between JG9 and Hbomberman, if I hear someone doing a vid monotone, than they may be plagiarizing. You're doing an awesome job, Sir!
Thank you for bringing this to light. I'm a Michigan fan, and I find it hilarious that he covered their sign stealing scandal, and has been so critical of them and yet he's been essentially doing the same thing himself, but probably on a larger scale. What a douche.
As a fellow Michigan fan and resident I couldn't agree with you more
@@lionsfan7500 I didn't know he lived in Ohio as well.
As a fan of The Ohio State University, I can cross the aisle of this rivalry to agree with you. It's pathetic.
Imagine comparing plagiarizing TH-cam videos to cheating in college football 😂 only Michigan fans can have that kind of logic
JG9 cries about plagiarism but has no problem using NFL content for 80% of his videos? ''Copyright expert'' Hypocritical.
This is the perfect video on how not to be a youtuber and always credit your sources. I'm currently in the process of making an informative vid about my passion (Urban Planning) and I usually rewatch parts of your vid to remind myself of what not to do when making content. So thank you JG9 for making this vid (and your NFL history content).
I’m a hockey guy so I don’t usually watch your channel but you did a great job. I’m glad these issues are being addressed by the big channels and the growing channels. Well put together and you’re pretty well spoken. I will be tuning in more ofteb
Wish there was a JG9 like hockey channel
@@banjoplayingbison2275 JG6?
@@banjoplayingbison2275 The Hockey Guy is fairly close
@@banjoplayingbison2275the hockey guy is the closet we have right now
I think most viewers know which content creators are reading Wikipedia and which ones are journalists. I’ve subbed to you for a long time, and I have never even heard of the ginger guy.
Thank you for this.
I got into a long flame war with him about the government of Canada claiming there is no Bills of Rights
lol I wouldn’t take his opinions on politics seriously since some of his oldest videos are him thinking Trump actually won the 2020 election
@@banjoplayingbison2275Must be hella cringe when someone simps for Trump 24/7
Todd in the Shadows did a plagiarism video on someone this week. This is just as good.
Todd did the video on the lies
Hbomberguy was the plagiarism video
Imma have to come back to watch the full thing, but great work calling people out. Hopefully you, Tom, Tree, Perna and 5points can collaborate
They have on a few livestreams
I'm super tight with all 4 of those guys! Tree raided my stream the other night, and I've been on Dumpster Fire podcast with him and 5Point. Been on Tom Grossi's show twice and met him when he came to Phoenix for the 30 in 30 tour. Perna, Tree, and 5Point are in the same group chat I'm in (we have the same advertising agency) so we talk all the time. Love those guys to death
@@OfficialJaguarGator9well then wtf, guess I haven't been playing enough attention.
This explains A LOT about the Depressed Ginger videos. I have watched a couple of his videos about stadiums and have noticed him saying patently false information. This gave me the impression that these were very poorly researched videos.
Throughout this whole plagiarism arc that TH-cam has seemed to be on lately, I have felt this very odd mixture of anger and relief. On the one hand I'm obviously unbelievably mad that not only did these people disrespect the other creators, but us as viewers since they view us so lowly that they think we'll eat up essentially beyond worthless slop copy pasted from Wikipedia. However, on the other hand, there is like a sense of relief since as someone personally looking to possibly start making content, one of my biggest hang ups was being nervous about the research I was doing not being enough, or that the worrying I would do over potential scripts simply meant I wasn't cut out to make something. But alas, those things didn't mean I wasn't worthy of it, but that my ethics and what I wanted to make was so far above not only what DG does, but channels magnitudes larger than his do who have also been caught plagiarizing. It's motivated me more to know that whatever I end up making will have infinitely more value than anything and everything DG has made or ever will make using his strategy
Literally, all Ginger has to do is credit sources when he either quotes or paraphrases; add his own commentary with his own thoughts or ideas. Then acknowledge when he gets something wrong.
The instant I heard this guy’s voice and the fact he was a crypto bro….yeah, he is a tool. Thanks for the exposure, I at least know to avoid his nonsense in the future.
As for my take on the Freedom Bowl, the bowl died because my school absolutely stunk that game up. Arizona sank the Freedom Bowl, well take the bullet for that. 🤣🤣🤣
Don't get me wrong, I invest in crypto to make money. But people who shill and push absolute shit coins are problematic.
@@Freeflier1978 the thing that set me off is the fact he wants to create his own crypto. Total scam cult leader in the making.
I don’t know regardless of this he’s entertaining and has good political videos. He has a good personality. Watching videos that are too serious with no edge can be boring
It's great to see that Hbomberguy's video about plagiarism caused rippled effects across all communities of TH-cam. I'm glad that the issue of plagiarism is finally getting the spotlight that it needs. It's a great development to see in real time. Wild to imagine the push and pull that video had.
And hey...uncovering plagiarism seems to have the double bonus of cleaning up the TH-cam space as well as generating clicks, engagement, and revenue.
Looking forward to lots and lots more folks organically finding the plagerists in their space and calling those mfn POSs and posting reciepts. I will keep watching these.
@@nw4042 True
@@nw4042If your video is straight plagiarized, then that means your narrative voice is effectively the only original content.
Actually used to watch this guy. Stopped soon after I did because it literally sounded like he was 100% reading off of a script. Guess I was right
Reading off a script is okay. Just so long as the person reading it actually wrote it.
@@Larryboy2701I mean hell JG9 probably uses a script for his videos but his content is still genuine and engaging
By my understanding most good TH-cam creators actually do use a script for pre-recorded videos because it keeps things on topic and concise, but the key is they tend to be the ones who wrote the script, and so it's their own words which means they can read it and still sound like themselves and not a robot.
@@trezen5898 yeah this is more of what I meant to say in hindsight. No other TH-camr does it as obviously as a DG
You, Tom Grossi, KTO and Flemlo Raps are my Mount Rushmore content creators in this scene!
DG is pretty young ( I'm twice his age at 46) and has definitely some things to learn about said content before producing his videos .. However.. For a young guy, plagiarism or not he's wildly entertaining, super charismatic and quite funny..
His habitual gaffes actually make the content even more hilarious 😂..
Just take him for the entertainment value.
His charisma, candor and unique vibe is why his views just keep on growing. I think he will be at 500k by 2025
A few people in my stream today alerted me to a video he put out yesterday where he literally commits crimes on the road and films himself while driving and getting angry at other drivers obeying the speed limit. The entertainment value aspect goes out the door when he’s legitimately putting people in danger on the road
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I hear that my Man..
On a 1 to 10 rating scale, how funny/entertaining would you say DG content is though.. ??
All in all, I would have to say an 8.5/9! The stock photos for some reason always have me dying, along with the candor.
@OfficialJaguarGator9 ur soft as shit
@@EzeBall1710yeah this dude is such a dork holy
I'm even older than you at 62, and had no idea he plagiarized until I stumbled upon this video. You are right he is charismatic and pretty funny and he's well on his way towards 500K subscribers (he's currently at 146K). It's odd that he covers so many topics like 9/11, football, politics, etc. I've been watching his videos on TH-cam about politics and he seems to now identify the source that's giving him the content. I think people have pointed out to him about copying others' content, and he seems to be better at giving credit to the content creator. It's hard to believe he barely got through high school. He has lately complained about TH-cam not monetizing a lot of his 9/11 videos. Supposedly, I guess TH-cam feels no company wants to sponsor ads on some of his 9/11 videos and he's upset that he's not making money on them. So, not everything is perfect in his world, despite his channel doing very well.
Damn, if this is my choice of job, I promise to not plagiarize, never heard of this guy but he needs to improve in this regard
"the titans did postpone a home game once in 2020 due to COVID" OK, but you know we're going to love your future video on that.
My day began with the hbomberguy video and it ended with yours. Thank you both for taking a stand against this. I am working on creating some sports content myself for TH-cam and this very issue concerns me deeply. If you ever had a few minutes, I would love to speak with you to pick your brain. The kind of content I want to make is something I am very passionate about and don't want to be derailed. Thanks again.
Absolutely! cgiulianihpu@gmail.com
I highly recommend Todd In The Shadow's video related to hbomberguy's as well.
@@Metfan722 I watched it. I’m subscribed to Todd and watch his videos the first chance I get.
I love visiting Twinkleham stadium to watch the Tottenham Hotsborough sport team
Depressed Ginger decided to ban me from his livestreams on November 19, 2023 for no reason. DO NOT WATCH HIS LIVESTREAMS! He is inconsiderate in his livestreams. Depressed Ginger even destroyed my knowledge on sports and stadiums.
Based on the impressive amounts of evidence you produced and the case you made I have just one question for you sir. Are you sure you don't want to become a lawyer because I think you would make a damn good one sir. Job well done!!
This TH-cam star is in his mid 20s stealing research other people have done without crediting them and reading it off Wikipedia verbatim. This is really sad and his response makes it so much worse. Wow
As someone who makes long form content that TAKES FOREVER TO COMB OVER all kinds of sources to make an interesting video, the "wiki" readers who pump out non stop crap kills me. I literally put out a comprehensive 8 hr Adam Sandler Movie ranking vid recently, It took forever and I spent months in what I called the "Sandler Vortex" just to have interesting things to say and share with people. And the elitism that anyone with less subscribers isn't worth listening to is ridiculous, Sometimes youtube's algorithm just never hits and that doesn't make anyone without the views work any less. Anyway, Keep up the good work on this channel and please for the love of god do a Drew Henson vid.
work smarter not harder
I used to watch his videos. After awhile I found his delivery too monotone and boring, so I stopped watching. I didn’t realize he was directly ripping off Wikipedia.
I have written and helped edited several Wikipedia articles, including one about a baseball stadium that I used to work at. I don't even know how to feel about it.
I hope he stops and acknowledges his mistakes, but I doubt he will.
Keep up the good work JG9, your videos are a daily watch while I'm on my lunch break.
Dudes videos are so low effort in 99 percent convinced that he does all his videos in one take. Seeing as how he said "i think" a lot in his videos when refering to factual information. Its very telling when you cant take five seconds too look something up that you arent sure.
So its funny, pretty ,much every sports YT channel you have identified as hard working, above board I have come across and subscribed, but I remember around a month ago coming across a few Depressed Ginger videos and really not enjoying them at all to the point I told YT not to recommend his channel. I now see why he rubbed me the wrong way.
I always felt something was up with his videos.
Yeah, I had watched the bowl game one the other day (I thought, though I see it's more recent, so maybe it's a re-upload? Anyway...) and found it bizarre that the Cherry Bowl didn't get so much as a mention. I also noticed the Mideast/Midwest shift in the Grantland Rice Bowl segment but didn't think much of it.
Good on JG9 for bringing this to light.
The Cherry Bowl story too is absolutely fascinating. Been meaning to do that for JG8 for a bit
I was going into this and was expecting to see someone stealing other TH-cam creator's content, not just a blatant regurgitation of Wikipedia articles. This is unreal.
Dude just got buried by one of the nicest guys in TH-cam sports
Thank you JG9 for making this video, not only to call out one person who blatantly takes part in this BS, but also as a warning to others who hopefully take more caution in the production of their material.
My dislike of Depressed Ginger arose when he would often mispronounce names of notable stadiums that most sports fans should know, whether they have a successful TH-cam channel or not. In my opinion, that’s one of many indicators as to how much he actually cares about his craft.
JG9, thank you for making this. This applies to more than just sports fans on TH-cam.
DG is the SSsniperwolf of the sports TH-cam world.
Most accurate comment ever
Minus the stalking
You do have a point!!!!😂
DG is the LeBron James of TH-cam, the goat
@@Killatrav87 you are kidding....right?
Patrick should apply to be a wikipedia audiobook reader for their pages related to sports, lol. But in all seriousness, thank you so much for making this video. This guy is clearly a fraud, a plagiarizer and has no credentials to engage in what he does. I realized something was fishy when he started to make videos on the Montreal Expos, because he would overlook facts, and I recommended him to read the book up, up and away by Jonah Keri, which I bet he doesn’t know even exists. But then he would make later videos, and add more info not previously included in prior Expos videos. Thanks for all you do Jaguar gator, and hopefully more people become aware of this liar.
I burst out laughing when DG hammed up Tottenham Hotspur F.C.'s name at Timeham Hotsboro. Seriously, though, while I don't use TH-cam to put out sports-related content, I used my now-defunct Twitter feed to post FA Cup picks. One feed I drew upon, the FA Cup Factfile, had a ton of stats on past histories for each matchup in the Cup. I always made it a point of emphasis to cite said feed for data to back up my picks, usually with the phrasing "per FA Cup Factfile." In due course, the guy who ran the feed praised me for citing my sources, which he would never have done had I just posted the data without attribution.
Depressed Ginger and those who quote wiki pages deserve criticism for their plagiarism.
Not to defend anyone, but I will say that some have argued that TH-cam’s algorithm encourages people to upload content as often as possible in a format of videos that is barely long enough to qualify for ads in bulk.
The plagiarists plagarized, and they may have done so to try to get as much money with as little effort as possible, and the algorithms may be encouraging it.
Oh wow. I've never heard of Depressed Ginger, but the thumbnails looked kinda like Tom Grossi, and I was terrified. I love Tom.
Oh god no Tom Grossi is an angel and I love that man. Been on his show twice and saw him on the 30 in 30 tour in Phoenix. He's got a heart of gold and deserves everything good that he gets in this world. His work was actually a huge inspiration for why I wanted to create a channel
Like I said at the start, 99% of this community is absolutely amazing, and we're super tight with each other and close-knit
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 oh that’s awesome. I only knew of Tom because I found Perna back when he was just ThatsGoodBroncos and been following him throughout the years. I’m happy you made a channel. That algorithm led me to you haha. I love the weird and obscure things you make at times. Really good content. I also love the strategy ones you make about why a punt/timeout etc was reallly bad. Keep it up !
Thanks! Love making those Dumb Decisions episodes
I'm so happy I found this video lol. I came across his channel due to his sports predictions videos and it became very clear how full of it he was so it turned into me hate watching him. I've only ever watched his sports related videos, but even then, something always felt off about his videos. Even when trying to make predictions throughout an entire season, he would give very minimal details for someone who had been making predictions for that specific sport's entire season.
Are we not gonna talk about using a picture of the Flordia Panthers arena for a HOCKEY team while talking to retractable dome stadiums. Maybe I'm missing the context, just strikes as odd.
If it’s what I think you’re referring to, he was talking about tropical domes, not retractable domes. So he means domes in tropical locations
Which is why bringing up Footprint Center in Phoenix, a desert, makes no sense
Even before I found out he was stealing from people, he didn't sound confident in what he said in his videos and was dead wrong about a lot of things. Thank you for being authentic and informative and pouring everything you have into your content; it shows and has done so as long as I have watched and now subscribed. Keep doing your thing and creating quality content that we all enjoy.
Thanks! Really appreciate it
He sounds like a Protocol droid from Star Wars but with an American accent.
The worst part about a lot of these examples is that they're in compilation videos!! No one cares if you didn't do a lot of your own research or whatever, if he just credited them in the video, and said "here's a good article about (such and such) that I used to learn about this, go read it if you wanna learn in depth about it" before moving on to the next topic no one would care!!
This may be your best video yet JG9, sometimes deviating from the norm is important.
This video is a fantastic PSA.
A guy who barely passed high school starts using the word "referendum", and expected no one to get suspicious.
Thank you for making this video
The world of sports is having a Hbomberguy moment
It's clear who goes above and beyond versus who doesn't. You and UrinatingTree are two of the best at this. Tree getting most of the details correct on the laptops (and featured a very rare Compaq Contura) in his 92 Ottawa Senators video is something that will always stick out to me.
Thank you for making this video. I’m just seeing this video for the first time, but I’ve had suspicions about this guy for a while. He’s made some asinine claims on his college basketball posts, that don’t hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. He never responds to my comments where I push back on his claims with data and logic. His analysis, if you can call it that, seems like someone reading off of index cards.
This is very well done! As a stadium nerd myself, I found his content interesting at first but something wasn’t quite right about him. He’s always so monotone and now I can see why as he just constantly reads off of Wikipedia. He also is constantly critiquing all of these sports venues but does he have any credibility when talking about them? I’ll bet he hasn’t been to 99.9% of the places he critiques.
I know in the videos I watched of his while doing research that he has not been to a single one of these stadiums outside of the ones in Cleveland (and PNC Park for some reason)
Looking at the comments, it seems like this video hit a nerve with some DG fans but it is what it is.
If you were to copy and paste a Wikipedia article word for word in a high school project, you’d get an F. In college the punishment is even more severe. Good on you for calling it out. Keep it up :D
im a fan of both channels and i see this video as highly unnessecary at worst and plain weird to watch at best
i dont see how reading off existing sources is a problem
Sports youtubers that make videos in a similar fashion to ginger, and including ginger
are channels that make videos for the specific purpose of conveying information
and obviously where are you gonna go to get that information, thats right online!
You dont need to "reword" any of that, its already known and available
claiming that reading off sentences is copyright infringement is outright rediculous
not to mention several personal attacks against ginger in this video too
videos like this are what give some sportstubers a bad name and has no place in this community
i do agree with your comment but we arent in an office in some 20 story building nor are we in college or school or anywhere like that, were making videos to educate, inform, and perhaps entertain the seeing eye
@@creepercraftold3165 exactly lol. so many youtubers read of Wikipedia
@@whatlol_e You both would NOT make good TH-camrs or students. Plagiarism is not only bad but it can also be a crime. Both of you supporting plagiarism is disgusting. Plagiarism is the very reason why Chat GBT is banned for use in schools as that is all it does. It is a plagiarism bot.
@@thephoenixxm4160 Boo hoo about it
if plagiarism is such a massive deal here then why havent any of the sources hes took from filed claims yet? its an 8 minute youtube video not 2 hour long documentary.
viewers are and should be expected to do their own research, as is the case with all forms of news articles or just about anything meant to be informative. also everyone looks at or uses wikipedia, so unless he is taking specifically from individual articles and peices then whats the big deal? wikipedia is made of information that can be modified and edited at the click of your mouse. its not always accurate but thats his loss. so really the issue here should be that DG is spreading misinformation in his videos but i digress.
@@thephoenixxm4160 dude its Wikipedia 💀 its not that serious. would you prefer him to reword everything? basically no point in that